Technology wasn’t meant to destroy lives, empower corporations over common people, automate wars, make the rich richer, etc. How do we fix this?

>>105731668 (OP)
careful anon, thinking too hard about these sorts of things is a slippery slope, and you'll turn out like this guy
https://www.tastyfish.cz/lrs/main.html

>>105731668 (OP)
>I am a simp

>>105731668 (OP)
>How do we fix this?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

>>105731668 (OP)
we should try to create a good government rather than no government.

>>105731668 (OP)
Hate to break it to you OP, but these were problems when the latest in state-of-the-art technology was the wheel.
Understand that common people have always been dumb worthless cattle, and the 1% who aren't have always had a choice: enslave them, or genocide them.
Option 1 has been preferred over most of history. But commoners are so stupid now, they're basically asking if we can do option 2 instead.

>>105731668 (OP)
End capitalism.

>>105731668 (OP)
The only answer is death.

>>105731668 (OP)
>How do we fix this?
Stop caring about earthly things and come back to Christ

>>105731668 (OP)
All useful tech was invented by corporations

>>105731848
It's almost like we built governments and laws (unions) exactly because of people like this, and now they have to skirt around more than they did in history.

>>105731668 (OP)
If you are a cop, I will throw a brick at you
If you own a shop, I will rob it
If you are a business, I will commit vandalism
If you are a "nazi" (disagree even slightly with an opinion), I will threaten you (and then do nothing, cause im a pussy irl)
If you're at a protest, I'm there (I have no job)

I do these things for attention
I'm a mentally ill retard
I am depressed
I have blue hair
I am an Anarchist

>>105733445
>If you are a cop, I will throw a brick at you
>If you own a shop, I will rob it
>If you are a business, I will commit vandalism
>If you are a "nazi" (disagree even slightly with an opinion), I will threaten you (and then do nothing, cause im a pussy irl)
>If you're at a protest, I'm there (I have no job)
based as hell
>I do these things for attention
>I'm a mentally ill retard
>I am depressed
literally me

>>105733493
why dont you go back to mastodon or bluesky then, with the other far left idiots. oh, yea, most of them are anti-4chan btw and think everything is racist. good luck

>>105733533
i'm anti-4chan and think everyone is racist too but ain't no way i'm gonna post shit under an account or on crap like leftypol

>>105733553
>anti-4chan
>uses 4chan
lul

>>105733445
>If you are a cop, I will throw a brick at you
>If you own a shop, I will rob it
>If you are a business, I will commit vandalism
Astronomically based. How anyone can be so buckbroken as to actually give a shit about class tractors, petite bourgeois parasites, and mega corporations is beyond me.
>If you are a "nazi" (disagree even slightly with an opinion)
Imagine my shock when anon here is so fucking bitch bred he can’t even own the heinous bullshit he believes in. Spineless bitch here has to larp that anyone ever shouted him down over his opinion on fucking zoning regulations LMAO

>>105733575
so what you're anti-semitic and you're entire life is controlled by the jews

>>105733581
k lol. go back to posting on the fediblock hashtag larping as a far left antifascist ..

>>105733533
4chan is a Japanese anime site you dumb amerimutt

>>105733612
im british lol, im from England

>>105733581
>class tractors
My autocorrect is hilarious sometimes. Now I’m imagining a fleet of class traitors all working a farm in uniform or something lol

>>105733595
free palestine

funny how ppl think antifa retards in Portland and Seattle at the good guys .. thought 4chan would have same opinion as I do.

>>105733652
i agree

>>105733635
Hi Jinping has actually started to send cityfags to the countryside again

>>105733659
>i thought the largest english imageboard on the internet would be a monoculture that validated my fox news talking points
how many leaded paint chips do you have to snack on before you got the idea that 4chan of all places was some kind of safe space??

>>105733581
Ur bio be like

24 | she/they/it | kill fascists | fuck off NAZIS and racists | furry (mentally ill) | polyamorous (slag) | anarchist

>>105733709
why are you on here? shouldnt you be on bluesky?

>>105733659
nigga, 4chan has been always full of antifas, you idiots were never welcome

>>105733741
4chan is woke? damn. disappointing.

>>105733689
Based Xi keeping the class traitor to class tractor pipeline alive lol

>>105733741
I will never forgive moot for having the idiot idea of a “containment board” and not just nuking the cancer from orbit until it was gone. He ruined much more than 4chan just with that one move.

>>105733772
so basically.
>4chan too anti-woke for mastodon/bluesky
>mastodon too woke for 4chan
>both support antifa terrorists

damn.

>>105731668 (OP)
That's exactly what technology was meant for, where have you been for the last 3000 years?

>>105733795
i mean it worked for /mpl/, so they know how to do it
honestly i myself thought it was ponyfags the cancer that would really crap this shithole...

>>105733727
>post-2016 election tourist unironically asks why others don’t treat internet forums like sportball teams
man, autism must be hell :/

>>105733595
nigga how am i anti-semitic, i aint say shit about israel. palestine better tho

>>105733860
palestine literally did october 7th and then israel bombed the shit out them and they havnt stopped

>>105733854
im autistic yep. idk how you guessed

>>105732194
>End capitalism
Fucking retard, capitalism is not the problem. The problem is you, you fucking welfare government supporting monopoly munching niggerspic turdtard fatfuck

>>105733887
lmao these mfs be crying about capitalism, posting from their iPhone 16 pro max

>>105731699
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

>>105731699
anarchists have way less schizos than the media will show you
i would even bet that is even lower proportion than regular populations in sane countries

>>105731668 (OP)
Anon, you were conditioned by Jewish media to think all of those things in picrel are your moral obligation to do, while they do no such things for anyone, and they live it up while we suffer under the delusion that we must not break all of the rules that they regularly break. Think about this for a while, please.

>>105733887
You are not a temporary embarrassed millionaire. You will never join the bourgeoisie.

I hate commies, especially western ones. I'd probably have a bit more respect for a citizen of the Soviet Union, over a college faggot wearing a Che t-shirt.
>inb4 Putin
>inb4 Trump

>>105732194
GIve all your power to the goverment, good goy.

>>105733887
>Fucking retard, capitalism is not the problem. The problem is you, you fucking welfare government supporting monopoly munching niggerspic turdtard fatfuck

>>105734807
GIve all your power to non-elected goverment, good goy.

>>105731668 (OP)
The logo should be GNU. Anarchists don't exist anymore since real anarchists are old bearded Russian men, but today's anarchists are zoomers looking for an excuse to vandalise shit

>>105733927
I never ever owned an iphone and neither should you

>>105731805
>marx
marx worked 10 out of 70 years
he disliked the experience enough to vow to always have someone work for him and thus invented communism

>>105731668 (OP)
>How do we fix this?
by not being an anarchist, start with "On Authority"
Good luck, anon.

>>105735253
if you talk about anarchy past 18 youre either a profound retard or youre an evil person

anarchy can only work if everyone acts the same way. its a contradiction in itself
it takes a retard to believe in that
and it takes an evil person to peddle this ideology to retards

>>105735220
>10 out of 70 years
unfathomably based neetchad. i wish i had a sugar daddy as sweet as engels :3

>>105735326
>ill say the opposite of what was typed that will show em
like i wrote
either evil person
or
like in this case
an unbelievably retarded one

he didnt suck off engels, his family was rich as fuck
he was a throughbred bourgeois cocksucker

the idea of bug bounties makes sick
why would you provide security to biz

>>105735359
>reddit spacing
didn’t read
you have to go back

>>105735392
because monies?
are you fukken dum?

>>105731668 (OP)
as they say only way out is through

>>105735403
>redditspacing
>supports anarchy
retard confirmed beyond any doubt

>>105735182
>GNU
You know that Stallman's views are basically oldfag socialism/anarchism, right?Free Software and licenses like the GPL are designed for the common good and to prevent monied private interests from stealing from the commons and privatizing it. His ethical concern with Free Software and having control of your own computing resources etc is well in line.

Almost all of the oldfag hacker ethos is inspired by (real) lefty thought from back in the day, applied to the emerging digital world. . They were prescient knowing that megacorps and other powerful vested interests would use technology to lock things down, privatize, and control people through their devices, the process of enshittification, and use of tech as a force multiplier to separate haves from have nots - anonymity for them, invasive panopticon for you. Its no coincidence we're now 25 years out of date on privacy laws, for instance. Its also not a coincidence that the powers that be decided to suddenly decide leftism was the bad word and associate it with trannies for the tourists and their youtube 'thought leaders', right about the time Occupy Wall Street arose and actual lefty policies were gaining attention from a new generation who were not as vulnerable to old Red Scare propaganda as their parents. There's a fuckload more in other dimensions, but pretty much all the good things about the old Internet including the impetus behind 4chan's creation came out of that same hacker ethos.

>>105735446
except this is all fluff that he made up to fuck with bell labs for not having hired him
communism is never the endgoal, its the PR

>>105731699
Czechs should stick to beer and porn

>>105735473
He wanted to fix his printers trash ass drivers but couldn’t, so he autism’d hard and became the hero the world needed but did not deserve.

>>105731668 (OP)
What if I'm horny?>>105731668 (OP)

>>105735473
Even if that was true (and its not), his views on tech went way beyond Bell Labs and his work with FSF and development/license of major programs went far beyond that, the same way it also went him being salty about Hurd or whatnot. Its not like he hasn't had a long career at the FSF and MIT. The guy also basically has written a blog for 30 years so its not like we don't know what he cares about, even beyond a narrow sphere of software. His views are inspired by old hacker values which are heavily aligned with leftist thought, so its not like simply because he's an autist fixating on one particular facet, technology/computing, that it doesn't count somehow. The end goal he has for software or computing is very compatible.

>>105731699
Impressive, very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's schizoid ramblings.

>>105733741
>>105733795
Allowing new/pol to establish itself was the gayest thing Moot ever did now you can't browse a single thread on this entire site without someone talking about jews and spamming twitter threads

we fix this by educating the commoners and leveling the playing field

>>105735274
Let me guess, you think Anarchy means no rules?

>>105735741
Yes.

>>105731668 (OP)
>picrel
is absolute smooth brain tier. Everything listed is part of being a normal functioning human being. Nothing listed has any special relation to hierarchy or anarchy. The commie or socialist or capitalist or democrat or whatever could claim exactly the same and even be truthful.
Fuck zoomers and thwir compulsory misappropiation of things they do not understand but think are edgy and cool.

>>105735561
counter argument:
i just pirate the shit i cant write
and write the rest
unironically the biggest advantage from foss goes to big corpo bc they get all their tool suite for free
>>105735741
yes.
because otherwise its just democracy
the absolute fucking state

>>105731668 (OP)
>Technology wasn’t meant to destroy lives, empower corporations over common people, automate wars, make the rich richer, etc.
anon... capitalists have been using technology FOR THOSE REASONS ever since the industrial revolution.

>>105733553
Sounds like you don’t know what “anti-4chan” means if you prefer it to alternatives
>>I do these things for attention
Oh right

>>105735042
Your pic proved my point.
Its not capitalism that's the problem, its government giving subsidies and special protections to those companies that's the problem.

>>105736256
wtf would anti 4keks even mean?
we got the whole spectrum of opinions on our site

>>105734577
Millionaire is not hard to get to at all. Billionaire is a bit different

>>105731668 (OP)
If capitalism is an ideology of the industrialist, fascism of the general and communism of the worker then anarchism is an ideology of the 12 year old

>>105734577
>Sez u the broke fuck
Go be poor in your cardboard box jamal

>>105736314
>If capitalism is an ideology of the industrialist, fascism of the general and communism of the worker then anarchism is an ideology of the 12 year old
At one point, anarchism was the ideology of based old Russian men

You doing that as an individual may not have much effect (morally or effectively it may depend on the conditions of who and why; you stealing back something corpos stole from you or others is one thing as opposed to you just fucking over some random guy etc) , but what if the corpos do the same? You can't really build a system on everyone doing that, or it becomes a kleptocracy that encourages people to make everything proprietary and secret, stealing what they can while trying to keep their shit from being stolen. This means that a lot more people will end up having to write/steal more shit themselves, redundantly, as opposed to simply having a common base of work to which they contribute under a reasonable FOSS license.Look at how much damage and more restrictive IP laws have come from monied private interest in the entertainment industry trying to stamp out piracy and lock shit down, and its happening again with AI now with megacorp AI tards trying to pull the ladder up behind them to stop competition while claiming they're the only "ethical" users, and the anti-AI fags being useful idiots.

One of the elements of Free Software and its conceptual analogs is the common benefit, not to mention preservation and forks (ie if a proprietary piece of software is no longer maintained unless someone is really able to reverse engineer, decompile or otherwise motivated to figure it out, its basically done. With FOSS, someone else can fork and maintain, add and extend. This is twice as important with stuff that corpos don't; like - think the recent Nintendo Switch emulators, or the Kodi addons that connect to pirate hosting etc. If they were not FOSS, the entire knowledge base is gone if the maintainer fucks off. There are many other benefits but its a much better solution than others

>Corpos get the benefits
Its symbiotic - people also get the work the corpo contributed because they CANT lock it down under a FOSS. No room, but many examples

>>105736479
>Corpos get the benefits
next time use a you retard
im not a childish shit idc abt the you but it makes it easier to follow a discussion

now we got that out of the way
>its symbiotic
thats cope
in practice hers what it boils down to:
somebody breaks their ass on maintaining a project that they have no business in maintining ***SOLO
but they still do
and then like with fukken wine apple NIGGERS send a 5 usd contribution to the project while hinging their whole "muh fagOS supports vidya now" on your work
for 5 bucks
they make gorilions
and fuck you bc of a cuck faggot licence
---
tell me that aint retarded
tell me how it isnt

>>105736314
anarchism just means democratic communism. it should be called democratism.

>>105731668 (OP)
>Technology wasn’t meant to destroy lives, empower corporations over common people, automate wars, make the rich richer, etc.
tech wasn't mean to be anything you fucking mong
want to change tech? change the people

>>105736259
>Your pic proved my point.
wrong
>Its not capitalism that's the problem, its government
where capitalist government don't do that?

>>105737116
anarchism is antithetical to both of those

>>105731668 (OP)
I bet you're one of those people who tags train cars with shitty bubble letters.

>>105731668 (OP)
>Technology wasn’t meant to destroy lives
My technological invention, The Sharp Stick of Killing, disagrees with you.

>>105736900
Macfags being fags is nothing new nor indicative of a larger problem. And for all their shit they still don't do very well supporting vidya because they insist on Metal instead of standardized Vulkan. Still, there are tons of other examples to the contrary.

Massive amount of work on the Linux kernel alone come from Intel, AMD, Huawei, Google, Oracle, RedHat and more, while many of these and others contribute to drivers (Intel networking is a big one, AMD of course does a lot of work with FOSS GPU drivers) and big userspace projects including KDE, GNOME,etc. Hell, Valve is probably a great example with not just writing an entire fucking compositor with Gamescope and contributions to Wayland and X, Arch, all the driver work they demanded for GPUs and other hardware, their benefits to Wine, DXVK, D9VK and everything else that makes up Proton, and the creation of the SteamVR/OpenVR features which are pretty much THE alternatives to proprietary shit like Meta's when it comes to VR. You could whine that Valve makes money because of this but
>Well gee they support Linux and make Linux and FOSS gaming more viable, so people who like Linux go there to buy their games, who'd a fuckin thunk it.
isn't exactly meaning that Valve was either languishing beforehand nor that these projects aren't getting a lot of benefits from Valve. If DXVK and/or Wine wanted to throw a big shit fit about Valve coming in and massively contributing to their projects, I guess they could but they don't seem to feel their work was "stolen" ifanything its the opposite, enjoying the resources and benefits.

Admittedly Valve is not a typical corpo (they're privately held after all and Gaben is willing to spend time and money to push back against proprietary lockdown because he saw that bullshit coming), but FOSS licenses are a near universal good compared to the alternatives and Apple, notoriously vertically integrated not giving back enough isnt a wide rebuke.

>>105735220
>marx worked 10 out of 70 years
>he disliked the experience enough
anon, he was writing political stuff at 17

>vow to always have someone work for him
... someone offered to keep him writing political stuff, and they did.

why do you fags insist on writing retarded shit, always trying to rewrite history?

>>105732768
>stop thinking, continue to be a sheep that follows orders, this is what w... god wants.
>yeah, did you know, there's that invisible super man that tells you, i mean us, tells us what to do.
imagine the intelligence of person who unironically fell into this unimaginative psyop. dare i say, psyslop.

>>105731668 (OP)
>If you call yourself a woman, I will remind you that you are not one.

>>105731668 (OP)
retard negroid thread
fukken gib back fire if you hate technologoy thatmuch

the cure to policels is having a steady supply of cash. if you have enough cash you live in a stateless moneyless society anyways.

>>105731699
words words words
https://www.tastyfish.cz/lrs/anarchism.html
I don't get the pacifism bit, if a pack of hungry wolves attacks your anarchist commune, are you really just gonna let them eat you? not even wrestle them away

>>105735274
You have a narrow idea of anarchy. You are an illusion and a projection just like any other material thing. You're perceived objectivity doesn't exist. Only this consciousness. You take reality for granted, and thing material things are all that there are. Which is a shallow and hollow existence

>>105736259
that's like saying guns don't kill people.

this is a utopia. the naive assumption that fixing the bad people will fix the system.

all "free" societies inevitably converge to modern day capitalism, because there is a tendency (laws of development of society) for it to happen, like a gravity that attracts certain behavior, certain people and empowers them.

>>105736060
>because otherwise its just democracy
B-I-N-G-O

Anarchy means no leadership, NOT no rules.
It is where no one holds power over another, and by "no one" I mean "no singular individual"
It is the ultimate form of democracy, which is why it's been attacked by the US government so hard with lies, slander, and misinformation because it is in essence a competing theory of governance that is more democratic than "democracy" aka republicanism. One where those in position of power would lose the power they have over others.

It would never work btw. It requires all individuals have an active role in governance, more so than the occasional jury duty, which people are way too lazy to ever commit to doing.

>>105731668 (OP)
>How do we fix this?

>>105731668 (OP)
that's the gayest shit ever.

>>105738885
anarchism was thought up when people rode in horses really. theres this thing called the internet and ai that bridge the gap between most people who dont like going outside or thinking too much.

>>105736314
>If capitalism is an ideology
it isn't
liberalism is

>>105738885
It takes one rogue influential actor to spiral your ideal anarchy out of control.

>>105731699
What's wrong with that? His writings are pretty good.

>>105736259
>it's not REAL capitalism
kek

>>105731668 (OP)
You won't do any of those things, all you dream of doing is killing a whole lot of people and then jerking off in the ashes while you starve to death. You are a violent sadist.

>>105740598
>killing politicians is bad

>>105740906
You fantasize about killing far more people than just politicians.

why do people out there unironically defend big tech and other big corpos? what do you gain?

You anons should consider Parallel Polis

>>105741262
Because usually these lefty larpers who hold opinions like OP are actually perfectly fine with corpos as long as they suppress the opinions and values of their ideological enemies (see: all of the 'Twitter is a private platform, you're just mad they don't want to see your hate speech' discourse pre-Musk purchase)

Leftism can't flourish without suppression of others political beliefs or self-enforcement by its members and constant affirmation. Its why purity testing is so common there.

Its why places like Reddit/Hexbear/Bluesky are so leftwing. And why 4chan ironically is a better barometer of 'real' opinion even with its "tourists" who usually are just other posters who don't like leftists, myself included.

>>105742916
they're not necessarily "left", they're just for everything good, against everything bad.
a generation raised on disney cartoons and superhero comics

>>105743263
average person isn't intelligent enough and doesn't have enough consciousness to take any political stand. all they can do is being moralistic and express opinions like "this is good", "this is bad" (that includes people on this site too).

>>105738375
>why do you fags insist on writing retarded shit, always trying to rewrite history?
Because when they can’t understand any of the works he wrote, ad hominems are all that’s left to try and discredit a movement they’ve been pre-programmed by the State Department to hate. Who they think they’re convincing outside of other kids in their middle school is another question entirely.

>>105742916
>Hexbear
Aww, did you get shook over piggy poop balls like a reddit liberal? :3

>>105731668 (OP)
All technology, from the most basic stone hand axes right up to the most high-tech modern equipment, was made for the sole purpose of increasing its wielder's power.

>>105744479
>Who they think they’re convincing outside of other kids in their middle school is another question entirely.
well, that's a problem, because this board is full of dumb kids and tech retards that are as politically/ideologically permeable as those kids

>>105744756
Tesla's inventions were not meant to make him rich, but enrich the entirety of the world as a whole. He failed because he required help from those who did not share his idealism.

>>105739394
Yes, but that is a truism for all government. Having bad actors working on the inside making efforts to break stuff is bad for any government. The key difference in anarchy is, that bad actor could be literally anyone, but on the flip side once a bad actor is revealed to be what they are the people still have the power to do something about it, and a single bad actor cannot do anything alone.

>>105731668 (OP)
>I want a society where your rights are defined by your ability to defend yourself and commit harm on others.
>I hate god and any lesson in morality that religion promulgates.

>But i will magically do nice things.

>>105742916
nigga i aint even heard of hexbear til today lmao

>>105731668 (OP)
The world would really be so much better if we killed all libtards and brown people. Imagine Africa populated entirely by white people holy fuck

>>105743263
Oh yeah thats why they can't even distinguish between mildly conservative and mildly liberal . Leftists hold disdain for everyone who isn't in their particular ideology.
>>105744531
I just like seeing the constant purity testing and spiralling that happens there constantly, weird baby-speak anon.
>>105746548
It's a small site but a good example of what I mean. There's dudes trying to drum other dudes out because they don't want to be completely vegan, no lie. It's funny to read, I wouldn't want to post there though. It all seems exhaustingly performative.

>>105731668 (OP)
kek everything is built on christian morals

>>105747787
uncommon observation
but yeah. even communism

>>105731668 (OP)
I too believe in Might makes Right

>>105740573
see how annoying it is?

>>105740358
tbf I agree with him totally on software and find his noncompetitive society ideology interesting but I just don't get how it would actually work in this world. I also don't get why he's simultaneously a defeatist about everything too

>>105731668 (OP)
game theory issue

>Fire wasn't supposed to burn people's homes
>Hammers weren't meant to bash skulls in
>Planes weren't conceived to drop bombs on people
>Genetic manipulation wasn't created to genocide certain races

>>105731699
He put up quite a few decent articles.
What have you done? Bitch and cry about others not conforming as much as you?

>>105750459
poorly disguised bump post