Thread 105751642

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>Keyboard recommendation template:
https://pastebin.com/n220xk9V

>Find vendors
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list // Up-to-date list of reputable vendors with brief descriptions
https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com // Tracker for current and upcoming keycap group buys

>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!
https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you know how)

>Learn about Cherry MX switches
https://rentry.org/mkg_switches // Introductory guide
https://www.theremingoat.com // Switch reviews
https://www.switchesdb.com // Compare force curves

>Split and non-standard layout resources
https://compare.splitkb.com
https://keyboard-design.com

>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound?
https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet)

>Practice typing
https://monkeytype.com
https://www.keybr.com
https://thetypingcat.com
https://play.typeracer.com

>How Cherry switches do backlighting, and why it's not ideal
https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight

>>105745569
I was desoldering old switches out so I can solder new switches in
Most keyboard kits are easy DIY kits you will have to choose your case, PCB, plate, stabilizers, switches and build it
In some uncommon cases (mostly uncommon layout project) will have you do some SMD and THT components

https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/

Get a based Model F

>>105747249
I got it from aliexpress, also got Goot PX-280 from them too, Goot made very good soldering tools

>>105751917
>$5 dollars has been deposited into your bank account

>2015
>buy board with cherry clicky or linear, use it
>2025
>assemble your own from parts and don't forget to buy spares in case you feel like swapping everything out
what the fuck happened, honestly?

>>105752257
more options, which is a good thing if you don't have a slave mindset. You can always get a prebuilt with cherry switches anyway

>>105752257
Switch chasing.

As soon as "custom" mx switches started to pop up and rumors went around about how good they feel compared to the cherry range there was a high demand that skyrocketed the price for a time on non-cherry mx. OEMs saw this and captialised on the craze by pumping out their own "custom" switches which coincided with the keyboard review scene on youtube that did tests on different custom mx switches gaining traction. Before buying a keyboard was more about the case or build quality which means once you got a good board you didn't need to buy another. But with switches and all of these case gimmicks to "enhance" the sound of custom switches this all changed.

TopreGODS, how are we doing?

Cherry is king

cherry was literally never good, I don't know why cherry style switches are the standard, literally nobody likes cherry

>>105752319
Pretty well anon

>>105752347
>he doesn't know why cherry is the standard
This thread's collective IQ is lukewarm

>>105752347
Retard

>>105752365
>>105752453
I love when you just say insults instead of justifying or explaining anything, really shows that you know nothing lol

>>105752602
Who the fuck do you think made the MX design to begin with kek

>>105752602
>really shows that you know nothing lol
wow

>>105752616
wow its almost like thats completely irrelevant. Do you think cherry invented keyboards? has every single keyboard since then been cherry keyboards? I really had no idea cherry was the only company that made keyboard switches until 2015, really interesting

>>105752677
>*company makes a design and mass produces it for decades*
>some retard: "why is this version of the design standard!"

>>105752698
man, its so interesting that there never existed any other brand producing key switches until 2015, thanks for letting me know

>>105752859
You're welcome, you dense motherfucker.

>>105752347
When you say cherry was never good, are you trying to say MX as a design was never good? Or are you saying Cherry's MX specifically was never good and you don't understand why they are the standard unlike other MX manufacturers?

When I solder a keyboard, I want it to work for decades, that's why I like Cherry, they just works.
What I don't understand is, why the fuck other manufacturers can't do the same instead of pumping out recolour switches

>>105752967
Right, that makes more sense. Prior to the 2000s there were other switch designs being made by different manufacturers with the likes of Alps and Rafi. For the longest time if you wanted a modular mechanical keyboard you would be looking at an Alps or Cherry but Cherry was able to squeeze Alps out the market due to better reliability and strategic out sourcing to other manufacturers like Gateron. So MX became the most common switch for mechanical keyboard systems, and with it, the tooling and processes to make them was widely available to prospective manufacturers. Once the Cherry's patent on MX expired that was when MX switches trully took over the marketplace as any keybkard manufacturer could just copy the MX design and get the pre-existing tooling for them instead of devoting R&D in make an entirely new switch. That is why the only time new switch designs come out it is minor variations to the MX design or open source projects by hobbyists that want a switch design that can be 3D printed and work well.

>>105753052
>instead of devoting R&D in making*

I recently came into possession of a vintage keyboard collection, mostly stuff from 80-85 era with a model m and an f. I really like the model M but i need an adapter for the model f, any suggestions for it? It's a 1984 model with a terminal connection

>>105753125
Is that the 122 key version? If so congrats, however as far as I am aware I don't think there are any pre-made adapters for the f122. You can make a soarer's converter however and there is a lot of documentation online on how to assemble one with something like a teensy

>>105753125
>I recently came into possession of a vintage keyboard collection, mostly stuff from 80-85 era
Got any pics anon?

>>105752347
>>105752602
>>105752677
>>105752859
Almost every single MX clone switch I've tried has objectively not been better than Cherry's offerings, outside of Kailh's clickbar switches and the Aristotle style click-jacket. They are objectively superior to the design in MX Blue that all other click jackets copied, save for Outemu and TKC, who copied the Aristotle design. All MX clones I've tried I would not say are inherently better or worse than Cherry's offerings.
All the tactiles, especially the early/"at the top" tactile switches that are constantly creamed over these days like Pandas or U4T (and all their clones too) are SUUUPER fucking overhyped, and linears are also boring as shit. At least the slight-moderate scratch in MX Red/Black add some personality to linears.
>m-muh smoothness muh muh muh
If you say this you watch keyboard e-celeb trannies too much.
The mild scratch in Cherry switches is legitimately not noticeable when typing at any respectable speed and especially not when GAYming. Go find an old, dirty Alps switch board to see what a truly shit switch feels like, and by that I mean try typing on switches that are prone to binding like dirty Alps switches are. Fucking horrid.

>>105753208
it's this model, 1981 I guess. My model m is a 1984 so i got it mixed up
>>105753216
i might take some photos tomorrow but some of them have all the branding removed for whatever reason. There is also a datacomp dfk191a07 and a tandy1000 but i'm not very knowledgeable about vintage keyboards, i kind of accidentally stumbled upon them for another thing I was buying from someone. 9 of them are terminal plugs, just the model m with a newer port

>>105753125
What version of the Model F do you have? You can find a USB converter from tinkerboy.xyz most likely.
>>105753208
There are, I got mine on ebay from tinkerboy.xyz some time ago. Worked right away.
Seems he doesn't sell on there anymore and moved to his own site/etsy though.

https://www.tinkerboy.xyz/product/tinkerboy-ibm-terminal-keyboard240-degree-5-pin-din-to-usb-converter-with-soarers-converter-firmware/

This is what I use on mine, picrel. The small left shift is really not kind to me as I'm too used to ANSI, but I still love typing on my F122 regardless. Looking to try out a repro soon-ish.
>>105753363
A Model F XT. As I said look at tinkerboy.xyz's stuff, he has a USB converter for it that just slights right onto the end. Has vial or QMK, whatever you prefer.

>>105753385
>A Model F XT. As I said look at tinkerboy.xyz's stuff, he has a USB converter for it that just slights right onto the end. Has vial or QMK, whatever you prefer.
Awesome, thanks

>>105753363
>>105753385
Also it seems the Model F XT USB converter he sells also doubles as a Model M AT converter as well. Just actually found that out, but from how it sounds you don't seem to have any issues connecting your Model M right now.

https://www.tinkerboy.xyz/product/tinkerboy-xt-at-usb-converter-with-soarers-converter-firmware/
>>105753407
No problem.

i actually got pic related with the model f from him besides the monitor, so i'll test that out when i set it up tomorrow. But I love the model m I got, it's kind of embarrassing how cheap all of it was but he didn't seem to care. I just doubled what he wanted so i didn't feel like i was taking advantage of the situation but it was all going to end up at a recycler anyways. This thing is just a complete tank, compared to my other shitty ducky keyboards it's pretty wild really

Is hall effect the way for someone who has never been exposed to good mechanical keyboards? I'm very much a novice so I don't know what's what, but HE shit sounds really appealing right now.

>>105753710
Honestly it's still not the time for HE, it's still new and still have shitty feel and sound compared to older techs, I'd say wait for it to mature

>>105753363
>>105753477
>i might take some photos tomorrow but some of them have all the branding removed for whatever reason
Nice. I have collected some old boards over the years and it's good to hear someone has got a nice headstart with a collection with an M and F along with an Alps board like a Datacomp which aee pretty good. I have spent way too much money on my collection over the years and haven't even converted half of them yet to standard usb

>>105753710
No. You are better off with a standard switch starting off and getting to know which types you like with tactile/linear/clicky

>low profile
>jis/has extra thumb buttons
>regular row staggered layout
>light switches
why doesnt this exist, such obvious simple improvements

>>105756426
>>low profile
Height profiles are a zero issue

Looking at my other two boards that are not broken and they both also have Kailh Choc switches. At least one of these is hot swappable so I should be able to buy another one and put it on.

>>105753710
It's a meme with no inherent advantages in feel or useage over typical mechanical switches, only theoretical longevity. See >>105755338 what anon said here since it's good advice.
>>105754221
HE is not new tech, it's been in keyboards for decades.

Looks like we finally have a fun TKL on the market again with the DK1 coming with a solid brass bottom for only like 200 bucks

You know what that means—for a couple months nobody coming to the thread will ask for a TKL recommendation, then they'll all show up asking for them in September

>>105731453
>>105731480
Just wanted to thank that anon from last thread with helping me on approximate measurements. Just got to prototype and somehow actually print this thing now

>>105759608
Looks pretty close to the real thing, nice.

>>105759608
I'd reduce the radius on those edge fillets though.

PBS keycaps came in today
They feel pretty good, they have a bit smoother of a finish than I would like but I think the profile is better than DSA for my corne. I'm using the convex keys for the thumb cluster and they are definitely more comfortable than DSA imo

nth for booba U4Ts

WHERE ARE THE HONEYS? CHERRY!!!!!!!!!!

Signature Plastics keysets starting to feature R3 control keys and that sort of thing... I wish they'd update their BoW, WoB and classic beige sets to match this new kitting

>>105753327
yea linearfags are mentally ill, but you have to be legitimately retarded to not notice the different between shit like browns or blues and better alternatives

>>105756426
because row stagger is retarded, you're not using a typewriter

>>105759105
Can someone explain to me this brass bottom trend

>>105762480
heavy + looks nice

>>105759105
People are missing out on F1-8x
People are missing out on Spyder
People will miss out on DK1
And it will continue

>>105762847
Heaviness I kind of get, but if you are going to use the keyboard as a driver you are not going to really see the underside of it. One scenario I can sort of see is having it as a mobile utility so that way when you are out and about transporting it for something like LAN you along with other people can see the underside. But the problem with that is the very first point of why people seem to go with them due to heaviness, so it is counter intuitive. The only other reason why I could see people getting one is if they intend to display the keyboard as a non-driver which, ignoring how faggy that it is, also does not make sense. If you are displaying a board it will be front side up, not brass side. If you did brass side the keepcaps would be hidden and the switches would be weighed down into a permanent state of actuation.

It makes no sense and just seems like another fad to reel in the keyboard consoomer base on places like plebbit or youtube.

>>105762952
>keepcaps
Meant keycaps kek

>>105762952
That's why good sounding keyboard stuff their brass inside the keyboard and not the outside as a showpiece
People are so fucked in thier heads by jewtubers leading this shitty trend

>>105762952
your confusion comes from the fact that you assume people who spend hundreds on a case and watch troontubers are reasonable in any way

>>105762480
Brass is a different material than aluminum. As such, it does not have the same effect on vibrations, and therefore on sound, as aluminum. It costs more because it's just not as cheap to use brass as it is to use aluminum, but the marginal 'improvement' in sound and the heavier weight is, for some people, worth paying for.

Basically every argument you could make for spending extra to get an aluminum keyboard instead of a plastic one is an argument you could also use for brass over aluminum, but with some diminishing returns.

>>105752229
fuck the deposit can you plz speed up the delivery the wait is agony

>>105751642 (OP)
i want to ask for a kb rec from this thread

first of all how much of an impact does ANSI vs ISO make for you, ive been on both and i fear that if i swap to ANSI i will be missing my enter key alot, but i wanna gather more info on others experience

>budget
£100-140 160 if accesories are to be considered like a wist wrest but ive never used one so i cannot say if its a benefit or not so feel free to explain to me how it feels
>location
uk
>switch type
anything similar to current, which online says its like a cherry brown, so tactile
>layout
explained above

>form factor
75 sand above

>backlight
i need one for night use, my problem is now the backlight of this reflects too much on my screen

>current
razer blackwidow lite

ive been eyeing the Nuphy kick 75 but the layout is a little problematic

>>105761894
its pragmatic since laptops use it and barely reduces typing speed if at all

>>105763517
I switched to ANSI a decade ago after buying a tactile membrane chinesium board from a local market when I was younger. You will feel a major difference in how you type compared to ISO and it took me a surprisingly like time to get used to the new enter/backspace arrangement. I am used to both now and use an ANSI as my daily driver, but I still prefer ISO.

As for recs I would suggest looking at Keychron. Their K2, K3, V1 and Q1 seem to tick the boxes at 75% size and ISO. However the Q1 is a bit more at £180. There is also the V10 if you want something funky like an Alice layout and for 100% they do the K10 and V6. Only problem is I am unsure how many of those boards have back lighting as I am a non-back light kinda guy.

You also have Akko and their kits which are far cheaper and their 5075Bs are decent TKLs with ISO and back lighting. They have them in UK stock too at the moment on their .eu site for €118. The only catch is the 5075Bs only have a choice between linears and clickies as stock but they are hot swap so you could buy some tactiles to swap the linears or clickies out.

>>105763703
>a surprisingly long time*

>>105763703
how the fuck can you prefer iso, its literally worse, enter is further away

>>105763841
I prefer having my return key closer to my backspace and the extra key space by downsizing shift so I can comfortably seitch between that and | \. ANSI is just less efficent

>>105761812
I can for better click jackets simply because they're more tactile, and also clickbars. Most modern tactiles however, that don't have mid-press tactility, all just feel like slightly clunky or bindy linears if they're on the heavier side, and if they're on the lighter side it's really not noticeable in real world use unless you're slowly pressing switches side by side.
And no, "muh Cherry scratch" is overblown by hypefaggots. When you're actually typing or whatever else you really don't notice it. Cherry's scratchiness has always been on the milder side, it just really exposes how inexperienced and easily influenced by e-celebs someone is if they parrot this stuff.
I mean, it really isn't surprising either. Switches in the same footprint feel largely the same regardless of the manufacturer? Whoa... Say it ain't so...
Especially in recent years where MX style switches can be had for far cheaper as the manufacturing has become way cheaper. Outside of clickbars there really hasn't been any innovation in MX style switches that actually produces a markedly different feel amongst other switches of the same type. The only one I've thought has felt notably different than other modern tactiles is the Bluish Whites as they felt quite similar to better rubber domes. Even that new Gateron "100% tactile!!!" Type R switch just feels like every other tactile made for the last 5 years when you're actually typing on it. Not a single soul can tell me they notice the 0.2mm post tactile bump of linear travel that other modern tactiles have, especially being not present in those Type R switches, that's just pure cope.

>>105764919
>When you're actually typing or whatever else you really don't notice it
Speak for yourself, it absolutely is noticeable.

>>105764948
Maybe if you have the most dainty of fag baby fingers, maybe. I type mainly on medium to medium-light weight switches and it's genuinely not noticeable for 99% of tactile switches on the market for the last decade, if you're typing at any respectable speed or gaming that is. The only thing that is noticeable is the level of fatigue on the joints after some hours.
Clickies at least, as I said, have a few variants where you can actually feel the difference between MX Blue and them, but all modern tactile switches use fundamentally the same exact method of producing tactility and you get 99% of the same experience between any single one, Cherry included. It's only noticeable when they make the tactility way more aggressive and then those issues I mentioned earlier pop up.

>>105765007
>Maybe if you have the most dainty of fag baby fingers, maybe.
No, while typing 100wpm.

>>105765129
Whatever you need to tell yourself I guess. Sounds more like to me someone's trying to justify buying in to some meme switch hype.

Are loud switches that much of a problem for people?

>>105750855
some progress on the handwired skeletyl

left side

Anyone got any input about the "ARTEMIS K719 PRO?".
I'm a bit tempted to get it.

>>105765799
Change out the keycaps and swap the switches out once

Swapped the boards out for now

>>105766601
Clean that thing man

>>105765493
Looks cool, I like the look of the Skeletyl case but I don’t think I could live with that few keys. Are you going to use a layout like Miryoku? I never got into home row mods or anything like that so I went from the Iris CE to a hueg Dactyl Manuform. I don’t really mind having more keys, I just put rarely used stuff on them. I’ll probably try hand wiring for a keyboard for fun one day, this one has PCBs from the guy who posts on here.

>>105767003
>Miryoku
I thought about it at first but its too weird for me. I'll write my own layout and get some inspo from the layers of miryoku

Also that galaxy coloring on your case looks neat

>>105763517
>first of all how much of an impact does ANSI vs ISO make for you, ive been on both and i fear that if i swap to ANSI i will be missing my enter key alot, but i wanna gather more info on others experience
You'll get used to whatever you have. The important thing is to be consistent, whichever you use. Don't get multiple keyboards where some are ISO and some are ANSI.

>>backlight
>i need one
That limits you to gamer keyboards. There's a link in the OP explaining why that is. For this reason I don't see the point of replacing your current keyboard unless it's broken.

>my problem is now the backlight of this reflects too much on my screen
Turn down the brightness of the RGB then, lol.

>>105765799
It looks like shit, and it looks like it might be shit also. "pro" lmfao

1800 is a good layout, though. If those indicators work that's good, because you'll need a num lock indicator on an 1800. Put those keycaps in a landfill where they belong and it might be tolerable. Clickclack has a decent double-shot WoB set from Swagkeys for $45, if you're ok with beige dye sub you can get good keycaps for $30. Careful if you buy $20 kits because they don't always have correct kitting for an 1800 layout. You need a shortened 1.75u right shift, 1u bottom row keys (alt, fn, ctrl), and a 1u numpad 0.

Visible screws on the underside is a good sign, that means you may not need to fuss with plastic clips every time you want to open it up, whether for modding or for cleaning.

I don't know what the Redragon software experience will be like. Buyer beware. A small % of programs might not recognize nav inputs from the numpad so keep that in mind. On my boards I always map fn + numpad keys to be the regular nav keys, so that programs which don't respect numpad functionality are still usable with one extra keypress. Hopefully the software lets you do something like that.

Relaxing

Has anyone ever done an A/B comparison of brass and copper keyboard bottoms? So many boards now are offering both as options (Neo CU series, DK1 TKL) but I've never seen a clear demonstration of how they differ. Fagsimon says copper is almost the same but a hint higher-pitched and a touch heavier, recommends brass, but I've never seen anyone demonstrate this.

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>>105768282
Try geonworks F1-8X vs F1-8Xv2 vid

>>105768409
I'm watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO9NGiRPXSs and pressing 1 and 3 on my numpad with my eyes closed to switch back and forth between the two and I really cannot tell the difference

What are the audio qualities of a lead bottom board?

>>105768454
I think geon did changed the weight to compensate some design changes for consistency of the sound

>>105768585
It will sound more leaden and Saturnine

>>105768813
And how will you Plover such a monstrosity???

What's a somewhat reputable garbage bin mechanical keyboard company that I can grab a keyboard from on Amazon. US/ANSI these things last forever so I'm not looking for a fancy one

>>105768813
Saturnine? Sign me up please

>>105768585
It'll sound pretty heavy.

>use reds for a decade
>try browns
all this time spent on the inferior switch

I've been using handwired dactyl manuforms for a few years now. I haven't really been paying attention to mkg or really any mechanical keyboard stuff for a long time and want to try building something new. Can someone point me to some low-profile alternatives to the dactyl manuform? I've used the iris before and it looks like there's a low-profile version but I'm curious what else there is. Also any info about low profile switches/caps (especially sculpted caps) is appreciated. Last I checked there wasn't a whole lot of options but it's been a few years

>>105771146
Try mx purple next

>>105771146
funny how mx browns are incredibly popular and have loads of happy customers even among hobbyist snobs yet the average "into keyboards" midwit dismisses them reflexively

>>105771146
>this new switch I just tried is what I've been searching for all along
You must be new to this hobby. This will happen to you at least 5 times before you clue in to what's really happening

>>105772578
I used to use browns and they are dogshit compared to a nice "enthusiast" tactile switch.

I'm thinking about buying a sofle v2 wireless, but I'm concerned about latency. The controller is a nrf52840. Can I plug it all in and use it in wired mode, if necessary?

>>105772578
I've tried & own lots of different switches, mx browns are the worst of them.

>>105772825
no, you're a faggot with shit taste

>>105772864
I've tried and owned over 60 varieties of switches, and mx browns are among the very best

it's taking every ounce of willpower I have to resist purchasing a DK1-TKL

In that dark gold colorway... with some JC Studio caps...

>>105772586
>look at the world of mechanical keyboards from the outside for years
>use cheap rubber dome keyboard for decades
>decide to get buckling spring as first mechanical keyboard
how fucked am i

>>105773356
Unconventional start, but not too bad. But be prepared for slow swirch acuation compared to modern switches

>>105752257
Trying to find low profile keys in any desirable look sucks. Is there a term I'm missing to find a cheap set on Amazon? I got my mk for like 26 dollars so I'd rather not buy a whole new board just to have something flatter.

I'm looking for a PCB and a plate for a bogstandard fullsize keyboard.
The PCB needs have provisions for hotswap sockets for full size switches.
Ideally the PCB has no microcontroller on it, but just a socket where I can plug in a reasonably standard one, preferably one that does 2.4 or 5Ghz wifi, not bluetooth.
I'm planning on building the case from scratch myself, but if the PCB/plate combo fits into a nice case I would also just buy one.
I'm fine with designing a little adapter PCB or something, or even modifying the PCB slightly if absolutely I have to.
Soldering is ofc also not a problem.
I want something fully modular where I can replace the controller, switches, and the firmware if needed.
I had a µC die on me in a keyboard, and in another one the firmware has a bug and it starts registering multiple keypresses per press because the debouncing in the firmware doesn't work at low battery voltages which is driving me absolutely insane.
I also sometimes drop my keyboard of the couch or drop something on it on the workbench and fuck up a few switches which need replacement.
Yeah i'm a bit retarded.
I've browsed ali a lot and they have decent looking plates and PCBs for 60% stuff, splits, etc but I can't find anything fullsize.
>Anon do you really need fullsize
Yeah i'm a bit retarded.
Would also consider a complete keyboard if it is modular, runs open source firmware, and has space for a big-ass battery and wifi wireless connection.

>>105773515
You won't find that on Amazon. Sellers for keycaps on there are predominately dropshippers who over charge. Same for Etsy. If you are unsure about what brand or style to look for you are better off looking at Aliexpress or Taobao as that is where the bulk of the dropshippers on Amazon and Etsy order from for dirt cheap. I have gotten blank DSA keycaps from Aliexpress in the past which are low profile friendly and you can get stuff like pic rel which are low as well

I maintain that tactiles are just worse clickies

>>105773667
>Would also consider a complete keyboard if it is modular, runs open source firmware, and has space for a big-ass battery and wifi wireless connection.
It really sounds like you just want to make a keyboard bar the PCB. If you are going to go that far into the build process you are better off stretching a little bit to the extra mile of hand wiring. Easy to do too and if you wire wrap key terminals instead of soldering and you can remove and rewrap the switches in a matter of seconds if you need to replace or repair a switch while still having a secure connection. Getting a custom plate done is easy too as it has been automated on the site keyboard layout editor which you design a layout in a simple GUI, export it as a file and then go to keyboard cad assistant to turn it into a pre-measured, calibrated dxf file so all you need to do is send that file to a file drop-in instant quote laser cutting site that will cut the plate cheaply (I don't know about the US, but in europe you can easily get a custom plate for below 50). Then all you need is an arduino and flash it with QMK and the layout of your choice. If you are copying a pre-existing layout it can be as simple as copying and pasting the code.

>>105773825
Explain

>>105773895
I did tear out the PCB out of an old mechanical keyboard I had where the µC died, and handwired it up with QMK and some random ass µC boards I had lying around.
I don't like the idea of wire wrapping, i want hot-swap sockets so i don't even have to unscrew the case if I want to swap the switches.
I might want to swap ALL the switches at once because they got crunchy or I don't like their characteristics.
I want this to be my last keyboard, even if it eventually becomes theseus keyboard because I literally swapped all the parts out eventually.
Can you throw me some links for those design tools?
What kind of places are recommended for custom PCB and laser parts?
I'm in the EU. 50 Bucks for a plate sounds cool I would totally do that.
Thx for all that info already.

>>105773416
i do intend to use it for gaming, people say it's not recommended for that but i feel like it's akin to how a cheap wireless rubber dome keyboard isn't suitable for gaming. i can only assume that since the actuation event is literally when the click is made and heard that at least i know if i pressed a key or not.

>>105774020
>I don't like the idea of wire wrapping, i want hot-swap sockets so i don't even have to unscrew the case if I want to swap the switches.
>I might want to swap ALL the switches at once because they got crunchy or I don't like their characteristics.
That makes sense. If you are dead set on no case disassembly then you are better off with a PCB as I don't think you can design a hand wired plate around them, but I could be wrong as I have never really looked into that. But just in case here are some links you can check out if you are still curious about the custom plate route:
https://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/
https://www.keyboardcad.com/

I would do some scouting on laser cutting sites as it has been a good few years honestly since I last looked. But if you want custom PCBs I would recommend looking up "keyboard PCB gerber" and then going to a site like PCBWay to drop the file of your choice and order it. There is this repo of a bunch of open source keyboard kits including 100% you should be able to grab the gerbers of, but I am unsure if they are microcontroller dependent:
https://github.com/help-14/mechanical-keyboard

If you want to buy standard PCBs I only know of the aliexpress kits like from stores such as KPrepublic that also has a dedicated site and I know they do a 90% PCB (although apparently it is better to go to the store page on alie). The latter has a good variety and as far as I am aware are decent quality, but I am still a little cautious to recommend them as I don't know what the lifespan on these boards are and I don't want to reccomend something that will fail in 5 years for an end game daily driver if that makes sense. I can't find many other non-chinesium PCB kits though outside of group buys which are often expensive and not 100%. But heres a link to their site and store page regardless:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_ExjfkkS
https://kprepublic.com/en-gb

There is also KBDfans that do 100% PCBs, but their QC as far as I know is iffy.

>>105774162
You can still game with it and if you are using an WASD control scheme I think you can just pre-load pressure on the keys while resting you hand to shorten the travel time, but unless you are playing competative and against a sperg with mx speed silvers you will be fine

>>105774252
Thx!
I think i have to go custom, 100% keyboards just totally out of fashion.

>>105774342
No problem, good luck anon

>>105751642 (OP)
>Budget
240$
>Location (continent at least)
Europe
>Preferred switch type
Linear/Tactile
>Layout
Ansi
>Form factor
80%/TKL/75% with a knob
>Backlight
White or none
>Previous/current keyboards
Feker IK75 with Gateron milky yellows

>bought a monsgeek fun60 tmr because of the newest meme
>supposed to have great battery life
>lasts two days at most and i can't extend it because the poll rate is stuck at 8k and those chinks can't be bothered to make it changeable in the drivers

>>105773825
TRUE

>getting back into keyboards
>already have decent collection but yet to reach endgame
>fixing up an old board but need to build a new case for it before endgame
>it is going to need a LOT of filament and my printer is too small
>printing services are quouting almost half a grand for it to be printed
>doing some browsing and shitposting
>discover there is a studio doing a small batch run of high end full sized silicone Glaceon and Sylveon sex dolls
>the prototype demonstration vids and concept renders are almost straight out of high quality e6 porn
>either doll costs half a grand which I can put on finance
>now sweating on whether I want to get a big ass keyboard on finance or a big ass Sylveon/Glaceon to mating press on finance
This shit is going to be the death of me.

>>105775121
>Keyboard or Pokemon sex doll
>On finance
You need to seriously rethink your life.

>>105775304
Half of my wage is already going into savings for a renovation I don't want to dip into. With finance however I can stretch costs while maintaining my monthly transfers consistently. I have until march for the renovation to start while with finance I can clear it in 3 months.

>>105775121
>>105775570
>life sized
>silicone
>eevee
>sex doll
No fucking way.

What is the tallest keycap profile? Screw low profile.

>>105771219
I own the Iris CE and it's nice, comes with a carrying case too. I use the MBK Glow R2 keycaps that came with it, no complaints there, and they come with homing keys for colemak. I really like the switches from lowprokb.ca , I use the Twilight Ambient silent switches. If you don't mind the cables it's a really nice keyboard, but honestly I would prefer having bluetooth if you're gonna be using it as a travel board. I've seen some people buying some pretty cheap sofle/lily58 etc wireless boards.

>>105775121
You can't just write all of that and exclude the links to the sex dolls.

>>105777089
Not sure about linking on case its off topic, but here are some of the production updates for them. I can imagine using one as a keyboard rest (catbox)
>pq6vlbdgja8kfosw.jpeg
>kjfzdccogoqgsbpb.jpeg
>di2wwnnc77need9t.jpeg
>jp2jjdfkxc8hbrku.jpeg
>7myliax2nxsgcd70.mp4

>>105777291
>in case*

>>105777291
I think just a torso would be better.
https://mouldforged.myshopify.com/products/the-aphrodite-maxima-cristata

>>105777333
It would be definitely better as a rest. Come to think of it, having a silicone rest could be quite good functionally

>>105773515
can't help unless you specify which kind of low profile board it is. Cherry? Choc v2?

>>105776536
SA

My old full-size Keychron feels like a battleship on my desk after using nothing but a 60% w/ numpad for months

R3 control is better but it also ruined my life

i regret not switching to 60% sooner
i finally started caring about macros and fn functions
rebound caps lock to be a second fn key, moved caps lock to be on the right alt, bound arrows to fn wasd and got all those barely used buttons on the right under a bunch of letters

Any way to accurately pricecheck aliexpress items with multiple variants? Also how you abuse new user deals without getting banned

>>105765493
Aaaaalright
Both sides working

So much fun

>>105781214
Nice.

>>105781712
We're so back

>put new switches in my keychron
>Tecsee Sunny-Side Up Linears, they were "mystery switches" from Cannonkeys (cheap)
>Use for a week, then switch to a different keyboard
>Don't touch my Keychron for a couple months
>Plug the Keychron in again today
>E key is double typing every time I press it
>Swap for another switch, problem immediately solved

>later that day, think about switch again
>take the problem switch, put it in the keyboard again, this time on the ] key
>test it out
>no double typing

Keyboards confuse me

Learning to type words with ten fingers was easy... learning to type everything else is painful...

>>105784604
>10 finger
>not the aryan hunt-and-peck
ngmi

>>105767592
the link just says it looks bad cuz the key blocks it

i just need it to light up the letter ontop of it so i can see what im typing / pressing

>>105763703
5075B Plus ISO

this one looks good but it seems a little cheap, compared to my current kb is this really an upgrade?

also i forgot to mention but i would actually like a kb with extra side keys, like the nuphy field or the lemokey, but the keychrons look like ass and its hard to discern differences between them so im not entirely sure what to pick


we can up the budget to 180 if it helps

>>105786154
I will have another look and see if there are other options for you. As for the 5075B it is certainly not high end by any means, but as far as I am aware they work well and compared to a widow lite they are compareble if not slightly better. Razer is quite expensive compared to most boards as you are paying more for the brand and the 2 year warranty. As for Keychron they are very much functionality over style, but sturdy. I use their Q10 which I got second hand on the cheap and it's solid. But again I will have another look.

Is it a bad idea to get a metal keyboard if I'm going to move it around my desk a lot

>>105786154
>>105786383
Ok I have had a look and from what I can see there are not really many options. I tried looking for boards which were:
>A) 75% - 100%
>B) prederably not Keychron
>C) minimum left hand side utility keys/switches
>D) readily available to the UK
>E) ISO
>F) under £180
>G) backlit
With all of this in mind the only boards I could find were Keychron or way above £180 on small batch run sites. Stuff like XT layout was my first idea to look around for but they don't really compare to Lemo or Nuphy in terms of styling and were almost exclusive to group buy only. I also found southpaw layouts which placed a numpad to the left for side buttons but, again, I don't really think it really compares to the syle of Lemo or Nuphy and ontop of that most were made by Keychron. I went to some of the biggest 9 different UK/EU mechanical keyboard sites I knew of and had no real luck in finding anything and some of the more reputable sellers on Aliexpress didn't really have anything either.

I think with what you are looking at you are better off looking at the Lemo L1 or L3 as Keychron sells them with free UK shipping and have QMK firmware which makes them far more versatile. Nuphy does not have QMK compatibility as far as I am aware which means it uses a proprietary board software that, if something was to go wrong, would be very difficult to troubleshoot or rectify. The Nuphy also seems to use HE switches which in all honestly are not all that great. If you are still concerned about styling with an L1 or L3 you can always still swap out the keycaps later on which will transform it quite a bit even with a cheapish clone set.

>>105786590
As long as you have a keyboard with rubber feet or you have dedicated mat underneath you should be fine.

What do you guys think of the ZSA voyager? I know some DIY option would be cheaper, but I really like how far out the thumb buttons are, plus the support + quality seems really nice

>>105787494
I wouldn't personally for $300

How long does it take to get used to a trackball? I keep seeing them pop up in some custom keyboards here and there.

is there no mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint other than tex? their keycaps for the shura are disgusting but like where would you get keycaps with cutouts for the trackpoint, the yoda looks nice but its never in stock. NIGGER

Guys I got my Keychron Q5 HE and I didn't expext to like it this much, but I do need new keycaps (ANSI). want a more traditional square shape, as opposed to the more rounded keycap faces on the Keychron, and I'd also like translucent key labels. What's the point of having back lights if the key itself wont be lit up?

I can't seem to find what I'm looking for though. At least in Europe.

>>105788927
low profile keycaps on aliexpress, aliexpress has everything and for cheap

>>105788907
>is there no mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint other than tex?
Pretty much
>where would you get keycaps with cutouts for the trackpoint
You don't. Buy ordinary keycaps and a cheap rotary tool to grind space on the keycaps that will be surrounding the trackpoint. I have done similar stuff before with my wide blanks that slightly didn't fit on either side of my keyboard case and it worked like a charm

>>105788940
I don't want low profile. I want the text to be shine through. Can't find that anywhere.

>>105788907
If you're willing to go ergo there's holykeebs, UHK, and svalboard

>>105786154
>i just need it to light up the letter ontop of it so i can see what im typing / pressing
Yes, and if you'd read closer it says that this can only be done by flipping the switches around so the LED is on the "north" side, so you need a keyboard that does that—and 99% of them are gamer boards.

Cherry MX is a particular keyboard switch design which was intended to be used a certain way. Trying to accommodate backlighting is a kind of 'hack', a way of using them other than intended, and it doesn't work very well.

>>105786842
>UK-ISO
>left-hand side utility keys
>backlighting
All of these are niche requirements.

If 50% of keyboards meet your layout size requirements, and 5% of keyboards have left-hand utility keys, and 5% of keyboards offer UK-ISO layout, and 10% of keyboards have north-facing switches for backlighting, then the mechanical keyboard that meets your needs will be one in eight thousand. And that's not including your other requirements, stated or unstated, such as: budget, must look good, must be in-stock, etc.

I will still have a look and see if I can find any such keyboard, but you need to be aware that stacking requirements like this exponentially increases the difficulty of finding anything.

>>105790220
Dude, I am following the criteria >>105786154 outlined. I know it's super niche I am just trying to help an anon with super specifics requirements lol

>>105790251
My bad I thought you were him

>>105776900
The Iris CE does look pretty solid. Maybe I'll just grab one and try printing some KLP Lame caps to try getting the sculpted feel I'm missing from the dactyl manuform. I don't really care about light or keycap legends anyways (I type on workman and have mod keys that shift it to qwerty)

>>105790268
No problem

>>105790269
Does caps look nice

Are SA the loudest profile keycaps? Or are there louder?

Very very nice switch but thinking of going back to mx black rgb, I think I like pc top more

So uhhhh what happened with those new Cherry switches? They were supposed to be out last month.

>>105790269
Yeah, if you already have access to a 3D printer you could just buy the pcb since they have the case files uploaded at https://github.com/keebio/iris-ce-case/tree/main/printable . I thought about printing keycap tilters like this https://3dkeycap.com/products/choc-lily58-tilting-kit?_pos=1&_sid=d8bf437a3&_ss=r to get that sculpted feel, but funnily enough I ended up building a dactyl for the keywells instead

Two days left on the DK1-TKL at Unikeys (for NA, idk vendors for other regions). Unusually cheap brass- or copper-bottomed TKL. Shilling because TKLs are popular in this thread and I hate seeing people miss this sort of thing and then ask whether they should get a Keychron.

$215 USD for brass bottom, brass weight, wired hotswap pcb. Pre-lubed stabs are included, so a full build with $20 switches and $35 keycaps could run $270 all-in.

some sound tests:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqWb5odbLJM&t=5130s Brass, DCS caps, Gateron Sage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqWb5odbLJM&t=5196s Copper, KAP caps, HMX Cream Latte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbmgiJjUx0M&t=1045s Brass, GMK caps, Keygeek Blue Cheese, most foams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SDpyYlj9LU&t=704s Copper, GMK caps, HMX Yogurt

>ANSI only
>WK or WKL
>fully assembled weight >3kg
>gasket mount with gasket socks on pcb or dumbbell gaskets on plate, each with two hardness options
>brass or copper bottom case with cutouts under each switch, a little for sound but also for hotswap clearance
>ball-catch assembly and magnetic PCB connection, which means it's very easy to take apart to change switches, clean, etc
>nice low front height, big plus IMO
>7 deg typing angle
>good ano
>1.2mm and 1.6mm pcb options, no flex cuts (I think maybe they cancelled flexcuts after testers found the hotswap sockets were bottoming out with too much pcb flex), solder or hotswap, wired or tri-mode
>decorative front badge in stonewash or mirror PVD, you get to pick two, any additional ones are $5 per
>PC, FR4 and Alu plate options, should also be possible to build plateless
>Estimated shipping date is September

I'm gonna blow a gasket when someone comes in here asking for a good midrange tkl on July 6

Also I should mention there are rumors Neo80cu is coming soon, the DK1 isn't your last chance to get a budget brass TKL

>>105789169
Grinding down keycaps is actually not a bad idea thanks, I hope the keys dont feel awful after otherwise im just going to swap the surrounding keys back and just have a retarded looking keyboard.
I dont get why other companies dont make trackpoint keyboards, I hate lifting my hand from my keyboard just to move my cursor

>>105788927
Q5 HE has south facing leds so you will need bottom/front lit keycaps like https://drop.com/buy/drop-dcl-shadow-international-keycap-set

>>105788927
look at XMI keycaps on the Keebox store on Aliexpress, they have basic cherry profile beige caps in any number of european layouts. Good dye-sub.

>>105793216
nvm didn't see that he's a backlight needer

good luck faggot LOL

>>105792297
>$215 for deprecated 19th century layout technology
Yeah sure and I'll make sure to buy an expensive combustion engine car and a fancy wristwatch while I'm at it

Does anyone use a ferris keyboard? How do you get around the tiny amount of keys? Thinking of getting one

>>105786842
you know what anon, im probably never going to be happy cuz the lemokeys are cool but they are mad expensive for those 4 buttons and they do not have a tactile switch option on those options.

so i think im going to settle on the lemokey p1 pro since it has good reviews, i suppose shine through keycaps i can order if the visibility is still bad since arent these meant to be customizable?

ty for the advice it helped me shop around in a hobby i have no exp in. I just want something that werks xd

>>105793280
so true, owning a Rolex and a Ferrari would be cringe

Looking for low profile hall effect switches on a budget for an incoming Ace68 Pro. Aliexpress has failed me.

>>105795678
Raise budget and buy it prebuilt

>>105792297
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SDpyYlj9LU&t=704s
Sounds really mid even with longpole, bet it feel nicer than cheap keyboard but damn if you going to pay $200+++ I'd say save some more money and get extra F1 unit if possible, that shit is crazy good, I'd buy one if I'm not 60%fag

>>105795304
Nta, but that is not at all comparable

>>105788907
unicomp endurapro?

>>105795980
>even with longpole
What do you mean "even"? Long pole sucks

>>105796157
Long pole can make shitty alu case sound better, but not in this case

>>105795980
>low whispery voice
>the accent
>cookie cutter lofi music
>"so...this company sent me this keyboard to advertise to you all as they know you have compulsive spending habits due to watching my content"
>generic soft and cutesy pixel art snd night pastel palette colour scheme throught stream UI
>hoarded keyboards and parts in the background that will never be used
>artisan keycap hoard that will never be used as keycaps
I despise this style of video/livestreaming or content creator along with the fags who unironically watch them. Especially when the opening line is a woman saying that old MX black sucks, it really shows she really doesn't know what the fuck she is talking about. Definition of slop and consoomerism over the latest thing. The same kind of people to browse the plebbit subs for the latest recolour switch or heavily marketed board.

Also I never saw any keyboard with multiple mounting styles being good, why can't they just pick one and make it really really good instead of this bullshit

>>105796518
Because they want to maximize search result potential, I am not joking. If they have a mount for every style it means there is an increased likelihood of it being shown in the algorithm when someone just generically searches or filters for a board by it's mount.

>>105796572
>forgot pic

>>105796572
no, that's not why, but I bet you felt really smart coming up with that all by yourself

>>105796596
Ok, what do you think the reason is? Because to me mine is pragmatic and makes sense. You provide more options in a custom-orientated market and you cast a wider net for customers and search results.

>>105751642 (OP)
Any one know of any organic/fleshy/biomechanical style looking keyboards? Think Giger or something adjacent

>>105796788
Maybe a build with the Holy60 or Holy80 case?

Are you anons still waiting for your Model F keyboards?

>>105795980
who the fuck values the opinion of some cat eating bitch with man hands and shit tatts?

>>105796907
Fags

What are nice keycaps that makes me feel like a space man?

>>105797033
gmk or sw foundation, if you want to go for the space race era aesthetic

>>105797033
Space cadet caps.

>>105797053
Nice thanks. You just sent me down a rabbit hole and good ol' xah has his own little interesting website.
http://xahlee.info/kbd/keyboard_history_index.html
But why foundation? I like the colors but can't seem to see any reference to those nice red/blues and greens
>>105797090
interesting

>>105797143
I think it's a retrofuturism color palette from old color photos and media
It's kinda off-topic, but I learned that from this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS8nnjrMlQc

>>105797192
Nice thyanks anon. Shame it's so expensive.

>>105797252
I think you can get SW's version for far cheaper since the GMK version has been flipping by flipniggers to high heaven

Who sells good quality plastic keyboard kits?

>>105796671
>You provide more options in a custom-orientated market
You know full well this is a completely different explanation and an immediately better one. If your keyboard can be everything to everyone it can reach a larger market.

I'd add that selling the "you really made it your own" illusion is big. Even if it would make more sense to design around one mounting style and make the best keyboard you possibly can, consumers want to pretend they designed their own keyboard themselves.

Both of these are much more relevant than search engine optimization.

>>105797362
by good quality plastic do you mean like a high end board made of polycarbonate or acrylic or something of that nature, or do you mean a sub-$100 keyboard that isn't complete shit

>>105797362
Could you narrow that down anon?

>Budget
$130
>Location (continent at least)
USA
>Preferred switch type
Silent
>Layout
Don't care
>Form factor
60% or less
>Backlight
Not needed
>Previous/current keyboards
Keychron Q1 with Kailh Speed Bronze
moving into the pod. need something small, cheap, and quiet.

>>105763841
If it's good enough for the germans it is good enough for me

>>105799199
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/leopold-fc630mbt-blue-grey-60-bluetooth

this one should fit the bill, comes with mx2a silents. Has the correct fn key location a la HHKB.

Someone else who really knows 60% boards might recommend something better

>>105799199
Keychron Q1 has hotswap, so one option is to just swap out the switches for quiet ones like Durock Silent Linear.
$50 for 70 switches

Does VIA support homerow mods for changing layers and inputting certain keys or do you have to make a new QMK key map for that?

I'm considering replacing my old KB that's showing signs of failing; old DK2108 with no play and its a stationary rock with keys attached to it. I have a tendency to slam type and bottom out. I have used browns for as long as I can remember, but given the above typing style would it be better if I just used linears? I do like having a bit of resistance so I can rest fingers lightly on them however.

>>105800184
You can still use tactiles but you will likely need to find a heavier set. From the top of my head look into Black linears and Box Navy, they are both pretty heavy switches in terms of acuation.

>>105800231
I'll keep that in mind on heavier linears. Been looking at an Akko 5087S recently, not too many boards around here that have TKL and all the standard navigation and system buttons. It's prebuilt with Jelly Pinks so I guess I'll get to see what these linears are like before deciding on whether to fork out extra for alternative switches.

>>105800184
can't you just unlearn smashing on your keyboard like a tard

>>105800337
Dainty women hands typed this post

>>105800184
>I have a tendency to slam type and bottom out.
Are you two-finger?

>>105800365
>Dainty women hands typed this post

>>105800356
ok retard enjoy your RSI in a few years

>>105800399
I'm asking because I was a key-slammer when I was two-finger, and I type a bit more gingerly with ten fingers so my old boards that I built with 70g switches are a bit much for me now

what's the quietest linear switch?

>>105800417
Not everyone has limp wrists like you, sissy.

>>105800457
Foil and foam (they suck ass)

gmmk 3 pro
yay or nay?

>>105800473
This nigga doesn't even know basic anatomy LMAO retard

>>105800518
>trys to act smart
>fails to consider one of the most common typist related pain due to RSI is located in the wrist
ngmi baby hands

>>105800417
>>105800445
I'm not slamming it with my wrists, they're resting on the table edge. I just hit the bottom easily with my fingers. If I'm really speed typing then it is jackhammering, though it's not like I'm crushing the board or anything. Like I said, its a rock slab with keys attached. The keys that are failing are actually random, sometimes a number key won't register until I tap it a few times, sometimes its the period key. Clearly not physical damage to the switches themselves if its inconsistent like that.

Also the capslock light is dead.

>>105800575
We're talking about you jamming your fingers into your keyboard you retard, do you think you can't get RSI in your fingers? You're literally guaranteeing yourself a finger injury down the line.
I know you're probably a zoomer so you think your body is invincible and you don't have the attention span to research repetitive strain injuries, just don't come whining here or start bitching that mechanical keyboards are bad when you inevitably get finger pain from using a keyboard for more than 5 minutes

>>105800595
Obviously the other guy is out for blood over this and I was only asking out of curiosity, so I'll lay off that point lol

Switches and LEDs on old keyboards fail, that's normal. Switches have a lifespan. Cherry switches tend to be good for three quarters of a decade of daily use, other brands maybe less, hard to say.

If you want a new keyboard, I'd recommend for going with something a little less "rock"-like with a soft gasket mount. Not because that's better necessarily, but because if you bottom out hard consistently it will reduce strain. Ideally some soft bouncy dumbbell gaskets, but you're not likely to find them on a budget full-size.

There's no reason you shouldn't stick with MX Browns if you like them.

>>105800619
>more seething because he has a genetic disposition to musculoskeletal disorders
I feel for you anon. If only you could feel the bottom out of your switches without whining like a bitch

>>105800743
the fact that you can't even attempt to make any argument shows that you have 0 idea what you're talking about lmao

>>105800782
I am stating a fact of life tweedle thumbs. There are people who are born with a predisposition to RSI and are physically weaker than those who are not can use a keyboard without having to spend hundreds on equipment designed for the elderly whose joints cease to function. It sucks I know, but there is no point getting pissy around men who can use a keyboard unhindered by familiy history.

>>105800843
>who are not and* can

You can hit 100wpm typing with two fingers on a phone

>>105800843
>still no argument

>>105800869
Well yeah, you are actively doing hunt and peck to do it. You could go even faster without hunt and peck but that is more difficult to do on a small touch screen compared to a keyboard

>>105800878
>if i can cope and turn being ridiculed into a debate i can get over the fact that some people can bottom out switches without issue while i cant due to my supple sore wrists :(

>>105800911
still no argument because youre a zoomer with 0 knowledge lol

>>105800982
And you have ligamnets made out of tissue paper so it all evens out

>>105801194
ad hominem

I don't need to hear this retarded pissing match, obviously you've both said your piece, can you wrap it up please

rec me ones similar to tex shinobi/kodachi

>>105802292
Here you go king
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/405950300182

I'm gonna do it... I'm gonna buy another keyboard...

>>105803713
this is the one that will make you happy anon, I just know it.

fuck I actually did it

I've used the same mx black switches for the last 15 years that when i bought them were already a decade old by then, but I am now looking to get newer ones preferably something very similar. Are there any modern equivalents to broken in mx blacks?

>>105804009
I've heard people say Gat X are pretty good but I think broken-in Cherry Blacks are still the top dog

>>105804009
MX2A Black
MX2A Orange if you want them to be lighter
They are almost like broken-in old MX Black

>>105805324
Forgot to add, MX2A also has tighter tolerance, so less wobble as well
If you want new Cherry MX, go for the newer model, they are objectively better because of they use the newer and better mold

>>105804616
>>105805324
cool ty. the mx2a black ones sound interesting

>>105752347
In 2007 if you wanted a mechanical keyboard, your options for less than $300 were Cherry, Ducky (with Cherry switches), and Deck (with Cherry switches). A few years later they started to catch on with gamers and you could get Cooler Master and Corsair mechanical keyboards (both with Cherry switches). ALPS, Topre, and whoever the fuck else priced themselves out of being the standard. Not that Cherry really benefitted that much from being the standard after the first couple of years.

>>105805429
The 2000s (encroaching into the early 2010s) were basically the dark ages for mechanical keyboards.

everyone's V6 Max has a shitty-sound tab and caps lock, except mine. Keychron should call me

>chinkshit corne
>add on tenting legs
am I letting the Jew inside take over by doing this instead of getting a printed case with built in tenting?

GOD I LOVE MY KEYBOARD

>>105806163
no you dont

>>105806797
:(

>>105806163
Post pics if you love it so much.

How beautiful is it that the best ergo board to exist also happens to be the cheapest, easiest to assemble, and open source

>>105808008
Is it on aliexpress?

>>105806163
this with my realforce

bros, why isn't there a mouse general?
I want to look for an alternative for my logitech mouse because this shit is like 5 years old and will probably start shitting itself any day now but I like having extra programmable buttons
these days the popular mice seem to be ultra light, minimalist and gay

>>105808008
>own less
>exsposed micros

>>105810159
Mice don't really differ too much unless you are looking at trackballs, and even then, people don't have the patience to learn them despite being far surperior in terms of perfomance

Is it a stupid idea to print wrist rests out of TPU?

>>105810613
I don't think wrist rests are a good idea in general but nothing specifically wrong with one printed out of TPU.

Are there any not overly expensive keyboards (DESU I don't care if it's mechanical or not, if it's high quality or not, but it'd be nice if it were) that have built in switches if I want to connect it to multiple PC's at once and just push a button or flick a switch to pick which PC it's controlling at the moment?

I've heard some Logitech MX Keys keyboards and the K780 can, alongside some Satechi models, but I don't know which models for either brand exactly other then the K780, which seems tiny

I know KVM switches can do this sort of thing, but i'd rather not have extra stuff on my desk if possible, but I'm open to KVM suggestions as long as it can do BOTH USB and wireless connections: I'd want connect the keyboard to the KVM via USB, then go via USB from the KVM to one PC, and then the second PC linked to the KVM wirelessly. Similarly, for a keyboard with a built in switch, I'd prefer if I could connect to one PC via USB and the other wirlessly, that way can have a low latency/no interference connection to one of them

>>105811134
>built in switches if I want to connect it to multiple PC's at once and just push a button or flick a switch to pick which PC it's controlling at the moment?
No. Use an active USB switching port

>>105810613
Personally I would be concerned if you didn't print rests out of TPU

>>105810416
>>own less
Yea why do you think it's so cheap
>>exsposed micros
This doesn't actually matter + you can 3d print a cover if you want

Gifted someone a custom mechanical keyboard today. Handed her the cable and she said "Oh, it's not wireless?" I think she loves it.

>>105751642 (OP)
Anyone know WTF to do when your keyboard won't run at 1000hz and completely random latency?
I'm averaging about 20-100hz. Sometimes it goes to 1000hz. Latency is insane 40ms-260ms.
Bufferbloat is B rated, 21ms download latency.

I've had this issue on my last pc build (with an unstable 14700k) and just built a completely new build minus ram, GPU, peripherals, PSU.
(7800X3D brand new, with a new MSI x870e mpg ti wifi)

Keyboard: Main (Glorious GMMK 2 96%) + patriot viper v765 as a test keyboard. Both same results with latency set to 1/2ms.
Mouse runs at 1000hz no problem (razer viper v2)

just popping in to say that cherry clears are still the GOAT

>>105811134
I am 100% convinced that this is a feature that would be trivial to implement in QMK type firmware for a custom keyboard.
You should search for someone having implemented that feature already.
The way it would work is that you have multiple receivers and one keyboard sending to all of them, and the button press merely switches which one you send to, while you maintain a connection with all of them at the same time.
This should be quite trivial to do, really.
But beware I am saying that as someone who used QMK once or twice and knows roughly how it all works high-level and hasn't really dissected the code.