Very cool. I love age verification.

>>105782584 (OP)
just generate it dummy

>20 years ago:
>"the conservatives are going to ban porn!"
>now, with the most liberal government in human history:
>*bans porn*

Is it at least double blind or can you be traced from either side?

>>105782622
>most islamic government in human history
ftfy

>>105782622
They need to increase birthrates

>>105782584 (OP)
What happens if you try to access one of the other billion porn websites that don't give a shit about third world laws? Are those blocked?

>>105782584 (OP)
>Exit EU
>picrel

>>105782665
But EU is doing the same thing.

>>105782657
It will only increase suicide rates among men that already sky high.

>>105782584 (OP)
Oi! Do you have your internet loisence?

>>105782672
are*

>>105782584 (OP)
>Noooo!!!! Not my heck8ng pornorino!!!
>>>/gif/

Porn distorts your mind with unrealistic expectations.

>>105782684

Porn distorts your mind with harmful and unrealistic expectations.

finally, 4chan will be free of the europoor plague

>>105782649
>Current PM is an israeli sockpuppet
>His predecessor was a jeet
>somehow muslims are at fault
Post nose and hands

>>105782697
>>105782707
babydick

>>105782584 (OP)
stop watching porn

>>105782712
I was in London on business the other day and I had to verify my location on Google Earth because I almost thought I was in Tehran.

I have a hard time coming up with anything good has porn done for society. Sex used to be something wonderful and sacred between couples, now it seems like porn has caused our society to reduce it to the likes of cheap toilet paper at the dollar store, you use it for 10 seconds and then flush it away.

>>105782659
Get charged with those promoting sex to minors laws (your visit benefits sites minors can easily access) and get labelled as children predator

>>105782622
to be fair, banning porn is mostly a good thing for society

There was a lot less mental illness when 99% of the porn was just softcore nudes of hairy milfs.

>>105782712
t. Muhammed

>>105782926
>race-baiting right on the cover
porn never changes

>>105782584 (OP)
good. stop watching porn, it rots your mind

>>105782920
>taking things away from others that I personally don't approve of is... LE GOOD!

>>105782992
did you just admit to being underaged?

the *nglos liked war rationing (extreme socialism) so much they kept it up until 1949

>>105782710
the br*tish are not european. there was a vote and everything

>>105783010
The gay comment I was replying to has nothing to do with age requirements

>>105782643

>>105783023
>leaves the EU
>doubles down on everything the EU was doing
it's almost like the reason they left is because EU wasn't radical enough for them

>>105782584 (OP)
What's your problem? Just verify you are of age!

>>105783035
the english left the eu because they didn't want to be ruled by brussels. understandable, brussles is a vile hive of satanic freemasons and communists.

instead they ended up ruled by london (a vile hive of satanic jews and communists)

>>105782926
I still remember when porn websites listed "shaved" as a fetish

>>105782584 (OP)
It's not about porn, it's about normalization of giving your id to use the internet. After this they will want you to give id to prove that you are not AI.
I still remember when it was far right conspiracy theory.

>>105782684
>>105782759
>>105782920
>>105782964
>>>/x/

actually no the average /x/ user isn't stupid enough not to see this obvious pattern of control:
>>105783052

why don't you want rabbi solomon friedman to know your legal identity?

>>105782584 (OP)
it rocks we've got it here too.
but on bing video you can watch the most heinous porn imaginable without having to send a picture of your id? hmm curious

>>105783086
>noooooo the law is only 99% effective we might as well abort it!

>>105783018
correction, they kept up several rationing systems for several years more. they had coal rationing until fucking 1958 lmao

>23 February 1950: 1950 general election fought largely on the issue of rationing. The Conservative Party campaigned on a manifesto of ending rationing as quickly as possible.[2] The Labour Party argued for the continuation of rationing indefinitely. Labour was returned, but with its majority badly slashed to 5 seats.

>>105782671
Correct, so why exit it?

>>105783122
>99%
source? do you have a source for this number? haha i'm just wondering where you came up with this value because uhh it doesn't match my intuition... hmm where'd you get this information? would you mind providing a source so i could validate what you're saying? it's just really interesting because i consider myself well informed and well... let's just say that DOESN'T match my reality...

>>105782584 (OP)
Yeah this is exclusively a good thing. No one under 18 should have easy and immediate access to porn.
Plus it's antisemitic.

All those famous sites suck ans don't have much full content.

>>105783149
FBI criminal statistics, sorted by race

>>105783047
>tags are fetishes

Putin's or Xi's fault or something

>>105783359
Actually Obama tried to do this but failed

>>105782622
They're not banning porn, they're making it the same requirements as it would be to access it locally in a store.

>and then totally organically every western nation started banning porn at the exact same time
and people still pretend there isn't a shadow government calling the shots

>>105782622
This law was made by conservatards.

>>105783507
Local store would see my boomer ass mug and sell me porn without collecting all the possible data from my ID.

>>105783526
Anon, you're not even allowed to be conservative in the UK. It's literally illegal.

>>105783526
Maybe you should start an ID service that doesn't collect data then. Sounds like business is good now.

>>105782584 (OP)
excellent, way overdue.

>>105782584 (OP)
Oi mate, do you have a faken porn license?

>>105782584 (OP)
Holy shit this will stop my porn addiction

>>105783549
no, it's already too late for you, but at least timmy won't develop an obsession with interracial gay troon porn

>>105783558
i dont have ED yet tho luckily. i can get it up easy with my girl but i dont last that long

I'm not using any of these websites, in fact I'm not using websites at all. All my porn is delivered through an API these days. Image gen just needs to improve a bit more and it could potentially be entirely local too.

>>105782584 (OP)
>We don't collect, store, or view your personal data.
Maybe they don't, but what about this Yoti?

>>105782584 (OP)
>>105782622
What's the issue?
You need to be an adult to smoke cigarettes/weed
You need to be an adult to drink beer
You need to be an adult to buy a gun
You need to be an adult to go to a porn store
Are you fuckers so porn addicted that a simple age verification system is too much for you to handle?

>>105783706
I'm clearly an adult so I don't get ID'd when I drink beer.

>>105782584 (OP)
Pornography is digital gold, privacy and anonymity are priceless.

>>105783706
The issue is that
1. the "tech" to enforce this is dogshit and won't work
2. it's being used as a trojan horse for digitalID etc bullshit

>>105783706
>you're willing to let the cashier look at your id but you're against giving a permanent digital copy of your identification to an ambiguous digital entity that openly admits in the terms that it can and will sell your data?
>hypocrite much?

>>105783706
We restrict drugs and alcohol to protect children. The point of censoring internet porn is not to protect children, it's to increase government surveillance and appease ugly feminists upset that there are pictures and videos of more attractive women having sex.

>>105784170
Sounds like you should shop for porn locally. Funny you draw the line with porn though and as if they don't already know who you are.

>>105783706
>Bro, if you don't give up 100% of your online privacy then a 13 year old might see a porn video
The next generation of children is going to be the most repressed retarded sociopaths in human history

>>105784183
No I'm pretty sure it's the stat that 60% of children are exposed to hardcore porn on the internet before they're 14 years old. When an entire high school knows the Porn Hub theme maybe it's not what you say it is.

>>105784185
>shop for porn
No thanks, I'm not mentally disabled.

>>105784197
Yeah the last batch of children raised on Tiktok and Porn turned out great.

>>105784208
Of the two of those things, one has been around since the dawn of human civilization and the other is the worst thing that's ever happened to humanity.

>>105784208
You're the type of retard that would've supported the gay psychotic cornflake man's campaign to normalize mutilating babies' dicks so they don't touch their no-no parts, huh?

>>105784126
>>105784170
>Muh digital ID
For a singular service that you can easily opt out of. Don't want to share your info then buy physical porn. It's not like these sites don't already have your IDs retards.

>>105784199
Then parent your kids for once in your life.
Besides, I'm willing to bet the tiktok and social media slop they're addicted to is much worse for them than a video of a whore stuck in a washing machine.

>>105782584 (OP)
Stop fucking gooning and make babies.

>>105782584 (OP)
Get a 5$ VPN and stop trashing this board with tourist-tier threads, OP.

>>105782657
Most porn is watched by men, and last time I checked men couldn't give birth. Do they expect us to conjure homunculi from our repressed sexual frustration?

>>105784208
And you think out of those two it's porn that is the problem?

Every single day I wake up in this country I'm filled with a sense of dread.

>>105782712
Muslims ARE always at fault. They're subhumans

>>105786023
We're going extinct. we reached postmodern enlightenment so stopped reproducing or working. So subhumans are being imported en masse to make up for the loss of population. These subhumans breed like rodents.

This happens to every single human civilization. It also happens in many animal species experimented on like mouse utopia. Suffering is removed and all survival drives cease.

>>105782584 (OP)
Oi, need your jerkin loicence to do all that jerkin'

>>105782622
Current labour is basically the same as the Tories were on 95% of things.

>>105782584 (OP)
>We don't collect, store or view your personal data
>Once verified, will be saved to your profile
So what stops me from verifying 100 accounts with the same ID and selling them for $5 each?

>>105786427
Both are just fake vessels for the same ultra wealthy. They have identical aims, which is to import savage apes from the turd world to lower cost of labour, sow division among the working class, and increase reliance on the government they control.

>>105786397
>We're
No you are :)

>>105782712
>only keks hate mudkips
come on now

>>105782584 (OP)
Why are you using this site when Gelbooru, Danbooru, and E-Hentai exist?

>>105782671
No it's not

>>105782759
>>105782920
>>105782964
source for a scientific study?

>>105782657
>>105782672
>>105785908
It will also drastically increase rapes so technically it increases birthrates

>>105786683
There won't be any because it's just christcucks talking. Porn is only bad if you consume it excessively but so is any other media. Should ban tiktok long before porn if it's really about bad influence.

>>105783706
>What's the issue?
You're not a real 4chan poster unless this is bait.

>>105782659
You get a better experience than you'd get by sending in ID to visit normie hubs like xhamster

>>105783044
Britain left the EU because immigrants from the EU were free to settle in the UK, and their salary demands were high. After Brexit, they can now reject European immigrants and get pajeets asking for low wages instead.

>>105786478
Yeah because we ascended. Poo in the loo Muslims are about 600 years behind our evolution level, and because of their genetic inferiority it will likely take them significantly longer to evolve to the point of civilization collapse.

They still believe in magical fairies and other stuff that whites evolved past a long time ago. All civilizations collapse when attaining enlightenment as the people stop doing anything. You need struggle and strife to be driven to achieve...

>>105782584 (OP)
>3dpd porn
I only jerk off to 2D girls.

>>105782584 (OP)
USA got it first.
Not defending it. Just that multiple countries have been pushing for it for a while now.

>>105782622
The retards who fall in any ideology spectrum are just paws for votes. Any government will control as much as possible.

>>105782584 (OP)
Bro, who do you think it's the Major Porn Consumer?
It's KIDS/TEENAGERS

Adults can just pay for Whores, Adults can just pay for Onlyfans.

This is great, not only it discurages Porn between Adults(giving your personal informations) but also affects the """workers"""(sluts)...

Weird how we fought years and years to give girls other opportunities, giving them other jobs... yet, it's just easy.

A girl that sells her body is becoming widely accepted.

who does this even stop? I don't mind because I torrent all my porn. And even then, normies google "porn" and get 5 gorillian websites

>>105783079
>schizo rambling
These age services don't share your ID dumb dumb many don't even need ID
https://www.yoti.com/business/age-verification/
>you trust them
Not really but if they're offering facial age estimation you can spoof that easily.

>>105786898
>face scan
https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en

>12yo walks into the store
>I'd like to buy these pornographic magazines and this XL dildo please
>Can I see an ID?
>REEEEEEEE THIS IS FASCISM

>>105782584 (OP)
based. We need stricter laws. Porn is Haram and not compatible with sharia law

>>105782584 (OP)
prison food munching basturds

>>105786440
if they dont let you do that, you sue. simple as.

>>105787041
demonstrate it working with this, then

literally nobody but the biggest sites are going to use this system ever lol

>>105782584 (OP)
sexless incels love this because they think watching people have sex on the internet is why they're failures in life
the latest zoomzoom generation is the most mentally ill in history because they want to pathologize everything

>>105787068
>sells photocopies of your id to 200 dodgy businesses
>eventually publishes your id publicly, so anyone can pretend to be you

>16 to have sex
>18 to watch porn
>16 to join the army
>18 to play Call of Duty

The UK government is perpetually run by tech illiterate boomers who have no idea how to use a VPN. Means jack shit.

>>105787162
>overload the market by sharing your ID with everyone and their dog
>system loses all credibility in a week
hero we don't deserve but one we need

>>105782657
No they don't, they import 1 million people every year.

>>105786885
Source?

>>105787189
I'm starting to notice a growing trend of websites blocking vpn if they can detect them.

>>105787189
the voters don't know either, so all is well
as far as they know the government is dealing with the issue, doesn't matter if it's effective or not

>>105782622
Age verification isn't banning

>>105782622
Labour aren't liberals, they hate trannies. When their recent attempt to cut disability bennies failed, they immediately pivoted to attacking trannies some more.

>>105787256
The voters who don't know don't care, they're about 50-60% of the voter base
>>105787228
>if they can detect them
Residential VPN all the way

>>105787464
Muslims are higher up the oppression hierarchy than trannies so they pander to them first

>>105782760
>>105782937
>>105786381
>>105786505
You didn't answer the question KIKE. Don't you understand legalizese? You invented it.

>>105787551
Post hand

>>105787557
Post nose

>>105782584 (OP)
Papers please. How much you wanna bet this isn't going to make any sort of difference?

>>105782622
>the most liberal government in human history

>>105782657
>we need more chavs!
No.

>>105782657
If that's the goal they already failed. Kids will simply go to the next addiction.

>>105787542
They've lost nearly all their muslim vote to the greens because they back Israel. In the 2024 election they lost several seats to pro-Palestine independents and they've only been doing worse in government. There's pretty much nobody in the country that they haven't pissed off.

>>105786939
Go back to redit.

>>105783167
this so much, they better simp for female twitch streamers so they can buy another lambo instead

>>105782584 (OP)
Nobody is going to do this shit. Everyone will just find workarounds or alternatives. The alternatives don't have to be porn and most likely aren't productive. It solves nothing.

>>105782649
>>most islamic government in human history
>Labour
The pm is a fucking israeli buttboy and he is married to a literal jew. I'm definitely not a fan of muslims, but what the fuck are you yapping about retard?

>>105782622
Too ashamed to get verified huh?
I can guess what kind of porn you watch

>>105787850
deflection + cope

>>105787902
>unable to give a proper answer
>use buzzwords
Got it.

>>105787902
You claimed that the UK government was the most islamic government ever, and i disproved that. But somehow i'm the one coping? You sound like one of those counterjihadist kike boomers.

>>105787918
Muslims are a bioweapon wielded against Europeans by our small hat wearing friends

>>105782926
>99% of the porn was just softcore nudes of hairy milfs.
When was this, the 1920s?

It isn't even a meme. We will witness the British Caliphate in our lifetime. Surreal

>>105787585
them ban everything except fucking and working

>>105787638
>jacking off and forming parasocial "relationships" with women online are the only two activities
This mindset is exactly why porn shouldn't be available to children.

>>105787189
Thats true for every other western government and the rest of the world. The difference is that the West is supposed to care for people's privacy and freedom.

>>105788453
sure lets just ban everything and become celibate monks only doing the activities you approve of

>>105782920
Nothing is banned
You can Google "big boob" and get 1 million results still

>>105784358
>Then parent your kids for once in your life
>if people were better parents then we wouldn't need an ID to buy booze and cigarettes
Surely you see the problem with this argument.

>>105788489
>if kids can't watch porn then you might as well just ban everything!
Underage access to porn is not a necessity. Stop acting like it is.

>>105788590
oh yes and being able to get groomed by muslim gangs or get "gender reaffirming surgery" is perfectly fine
i think underage access to porn is the least of your worries and stuff like this will only succeed in making them miserable and reward rulebreakers that learn to get around it

>>105788638
Whereas being an incel like you is wonderful, right?

>>105788694
haha here it comes

>>105788715
Yep, the ugly truth about you. Incel.

>>105788694
Roastie "argument" detected

>>105788638
>kids need porn because child predators exist
What kind of leap in logic is this?

>>105782760
visiting london felt surreal. felt like I'm visiting an ancient civilization that is now occupied by foreigners. the only place I've seen more burkas per capita was vienna airport

>>105787226
Furina from Genshin Impact

>>105788780
since its so easy for you to say what others dont need, surely YOU also dont "need" porn or to smoke or to drink, why not just restrict it for everyone regardless of age
but that would be inconvenient wouldnt it

>>105782584 (OP)
Are they still allow Muslims to rape white kids and women because muh it's their culture? At the same time white boys are going to prison for using AI to generate anime girls. Truly amazing country.

>>105782622
>>now, with the most liberal government in human history:
lol

The choice of government in the UK is Blue Tories or Red Tories.

>>105788908

The left/right dichotomy simply isn't real anymore. The west is clearly engaged in war of working class nationalists/nativists vs statist globalists.

105788731
incel site

>>105782649
>>105782760
>>105786505
>>105786381
>>105786505

>>105788888
>surely YOU also dont "need" porn or to smoke or to drink
You're right, I don't. But I'm also an adult and capable of making that decision for myself.
I wouldn't trust a child to decide that they need unrestricted access to PornHub, the same way I wouldn't trust a child to decide that they needed a handle of vodka.

You're really not making any argument for why this kind of restriction isn't a positive one.

>>105782584 (OP)
>oiii, do you have a loicensee for that?

Traffic to the big porn sites will drop by 90 percent because few people are stupid enough to submit their identity to the Internet to watch smut. They will use the millions of other smaller sites instead. Kids will do the same or buy a VPN. The end result is nobody wins, everybody is inconvenienced, and people are still addicted to porn.

>>105788993
I always find it funny when people make shitty arguments and then lose politically. Good job, you really did a good job convincing society not to pass laws making porn like most other adult only things more difficult to obtain.

Me on the other hand, do nothing, win.

Maybe you should figure out an argument that doesn't simplify to "I don't' give a fuck if children see porn, porn should be freely accessible to anyone but especially me." As a protip: consider why society wants certain laws (e.g. THE PROBLEM) and then find a solution that aligns with what they want and what you want.

>>105788993
all right we are in agreement then, since we are perfect saints that never drink, never watch porn, and never smoke, everyone else clearly have to become ones as well because i sure cannot trust them to decide for themselves as they are all beneath me
what is the next thing we should restrict comrade?

>>105782584 (OP)
I can't wait to move to the darknet to get my fix.

>>105782584 (OP)
>We don't collect, store, or view your personal data
>months later the database gets leaked, revealing every wanker's id and photo
oops

>>105789055
Funny you listed things that already require ID to access. The internet being wildly unregulated for decades doesn’t mean that was ever the right approach. I’m sure people like you complained when kids were banned from buying cigarettes at the corner store too.

The real problem is, if you can’t even admit that children accessing porn is obviously bad, you’ve already lost the argument. And no, "just watch your kids" isn’t a serious solution, no parent can monitor every moment of their child’s digital life. Ironically, I bet in another debate you’d be mocking those same parents as helicopter control freaks. So which is it?

>>105789055
Children cannot govern themselves. I'm sorry if you somehow feel targeted by this fact.
And again, you're not giving any reason why you think children should have access to porn.
>>105789040
I think you rellied to the wrong post.

>>105789178
yes i have lost completely to your superior intellect, and as a self-appointed paragon of virtue #2, i propose that we just ban those things i have listed for everyone as they cannot be trusted no matter the age, because obviously we can do without them
and of course you are right, compared to par*nts the omniscient government can monitor them at all times and decide what is best for them, we will surely enter a new age for mental health, just like south korea

>>105789318
So you're upset that children can't drink, smoke, or watch porn?
Why?

>>105789221

Hmmm it's almost as if children have their own governors... who birth them... and house them... and are responsible for these rules and standards.

>>105789318
This is closer to a tantrum from a toddler being told he can’t have more cookies than an actual argument.

And let’s be honest: this isn’t even a "ban" unless you think "proving you’re an adult so kids can’t access porn" qualifies as tyranny. In that case, yes: it’s a ban. On children.

I'm coming to the conclusion that people like you are likely underaged.

>>105789335
how about you let them or their parents decide, instead of people so separated that they clearly cannot know their exact circumstances?

>>105789336
So children shouldn't be restricted outside of what their parents alone are able to enforce?
You're still refusing to give any reason WHY you think children should be given porn access, by the way.

>>105789354
>they clearly cannot know their exact circumstances
What "exact circumstances" would justify giving a child porn?
Surely you must have an example in mind.

I will say one thing. Measures like this are proof that the PedoJew global empire is losing its hold. If the PedoJews (who pushed porn into every ass crack nook and cranny of western society) can no longer keep it free and open, that means a new paradigm is dawning. This means all forms of degeneracy are on the defensive. You know damn well the Scott Weiners of the world aren't happy about kids being severed from porn.

I'm annoyed that it starts with this as it's clearly just downstream of female priorities as usual but it's the canary in the coalmine really. Next you're going to see prudishness and modest clothing make a comeback.

>>105789389
>What "exact circumstances" would justify giving a child porn?
Teaching him to be a real man, of course.

>>105789336
So you believe parents can realistically monitor every single interaction their child has with any internet-connected device, 24/7? Are you really arguing kids should never leave the house or use a screen unless their parents are right there watching them?

And since we know not all parents are responsible, and other adults can’t always be trusted, should I trust you with a child in your care? Based on your argument so far, would you even stop a child from accessing porn around you? Or would you just pretend it’s not your problem?

>>105789389
how about not making him go do it anyways behind your back or with his friends that dont give a damn about rules like that?

>>105789391
Yeah online gambling restrictions were also a female conspiracy.

>>105789406

Of course. #1, don't give them an internet connected device until they are 14. Make sure it's a computer in a public location like the living room and enact basic parental controls, whitelist websites. We are literally talking about the government doing the same thing. You think a kid can't sneak around it with a VPN?

>>105782657
No sex. I refuse.

>>105789424
The family computer must retvrn

>>105789444

I fully believe in it, only tech the kids get are the family TV and the family computer. Just enough to do what they need and get some basic entertainment, not so much it's addicting and vulnerable to exposure.

>>105789410
So your own proposed circumstance that justifies in giving porn to a child is so that they don't get it from somewhere else?
This cannot be your last line of defense.

>>105789458

I mean your kids are going to see naked women and dicks before they're 16. That is the reality of our world anon. The point is to prevent them from regularly consuming it and getting goonbrained. They can't do that from sneaking a video at their friend's house.

>>105789458
they are going to see and watch it no matter what, might as well guide what they see
what you retards want is going to lead to all kids just getting a vpn or tor or some other workaround that spreads around school to access it and them getting it anyways

>>105789457
I do agree giving kids access to the internet in their bedroom is a terrible idea desu.

>>105789470
>The point is to prevent them from regularly consuming it and getting goonbrained.
Which is why restricting access to porn is a good idea.
Having to prove that you're an adult, the same way that's already done for alcohol and cigarettes and buying porn physically, is a good way to go about doing that.

>>105789424
Wow, cool beans dude, your kid won’t have a computer until he’s 14. That’s great. Meanwhile, every other kid in his class is walking around with a porn-capable smartphone in their pocket.

You’re acting like it’s still 1998 and you can control access by keeping one family computer in the living room. Do you even realize what year it is? Every sixth grader has a phone now. You seriously think your personal parenting style is going to override the entire environment your kid exists in?

>>105789489
>if you can't stop all of it then why try to stop any of it?

>>105789510
>You seriously think your personal parenting style is going to override the entire environment your kid exists in?
You'd be surprised

>>105789519
yes you are going to stop goody twoshoes that wouldnt ever even want to watch it anyways while inconveniencing your entire adult population, congratulations

>>105789510

Some people have a hard time understanding that just because a rule won't be followed 100% of the time, it isn't a bad rule. You're teaching them a subconscious lesson in morals and self control.

My kids will see naked people, they will see gore and dead people and bad words and whatever else. That's life. But they aren't going to routinely, regularly consume it, as a habit or standard, because it will be disallowed. Believe it or not this trains the brain to route a certain way.

I managed to evade a lot of my Christian parents' controls and rules but I still internalized those rules and standards and limit myself in a similar way today. Even after getting brainslammed by 4chan since I was a teenager lol.

Crying about occasional exposure, the occasional drink, occasional nudie pic, occasional cigarette, is a lesson in futility. It's going to happen. Instead try to guide and condition them towards good habits and personal standards. It works. It takes patience and application so they can see its benefits later on.

>>105782584 (OP)
Funny how porn is seen as worse than violent video games. A police state is a police state.

>>105789545

It's because women in government get their way and they have a personal vendetta against porn. Notice they don't care that pools and beaches are still IRL softcore porn full of naked booba and ass.

>anonymously verify your ID
>anonymously
>verify your ID
How inhuman do you even have to be to write something like this. I actually want to skin them alive.

>>105789470
That anon talks like a pedo. Porn bad, pederasty good

>>105789607

They supported pederasty?

>>105789618
Anti-porn people? Sure.

>>105782657
This. The reason behind all sex related issues (porn, adultery, prostitution, abortion, etc.) is to control the population.

>>105789542
Cool story, man, too bad that argument didn’t work the last dozen times it was tried. Now there are ID checks online. Congrats on debating your way straight into the law you didn’t want. Masterful.

Wow, gee whiz, parents just need to individually helicopter their kids 24/7, exactly what you protested against in the 90s! Brilliant.

Yeah bro, we should scrap all regulations: no more ID checks for online gambling, either. Parents will totally handle that too. And why even card kids at the store for alcohol? I mean, surely they’d only buy it with their parents’ permission, right?

The fact is you either don't care or don't see about the problem and so your responses are completely tone deaf. These dead arguments have been made for the last 5 years and they don't work because they are nothing more than you plugging your ears with your fingers and going "LA LA LA" while the rest of society moves on without you. You had a chance to focus reform on something palatable but you're still stuck saying "parents should just use parental blockers if they don't want their kids to see porn". You're not even living in this decade and it wasn't even practical advice in the 90s.

>>105789537
If your proposed workaround that renders the enrite effort pointless is that children can just pay for a VPN service, you're simply not being realistic.

>>105789607
>you don't want kids on pornhub and that means you're a pedophile
lol lmao

>>105789569
You see, sometimes we run programs… in RAM.
These programs check if an ID is valid, then assign a random number to represent that check.
The only thing stored is: random number yes/no.

It's called anonymous verification. It's not magic. It's basic tech.

/g/ - technology

>>105789681
>I don't want kids on pornhub, I want them in my bed!
This is you.

>>105789659
you know there are plenty convenient free vpns right? they WILL use them if it means getting to the forbidden fruit made even more attractive by idiotic policies like this
hell adults will have to use them as well to get around this

>>105789706
The interesting thing about projection is thoughts originate from you and are proof you've thought about it in the past.

>>105789712
Makes it more prudent to have ID checks then. :)

>>105789712
>they WILL use them if it means getting to the forbidden fruit
Why is it that you think kids are all destined to be porn addicts?
Even for the ones curious enough to go looking for it, the existence of a barrier at all will deter most of them. Suggesting the barrier shouldn't exist at all because you could bypass it really doesn't make much sense.

>Legally or not, website keeps database of your government ID
>Complete with your name and home address
>Novel search reveals your workplace and/or phone number
>AI can convincingly replicate your voice from a novel recording
>Congratulations, you now have a digital doppelganger that opened up a half-dozen credit cards under your name

Politicians are so naive...

>>105789848
Nothing you said is exclusive to porn verification.

If you haven't built a physical coom collection by now I don't know what to tell you

>>105789815
NTA but kids dont care about barriers at all, they think if something go wrong Dad or Mom will fix it. They dont care because they are horny and retarded. Are you asexual or something? How can you not know? You missed puberty?

>>105783038
> just age
It’s because they won’t stop there… this is just getting their foot in the door.
Look at what meta was doing with localhost tracking.
They will leak and/or sell and/or blackmail with the information, including biometrics and anything else.

>>105789874
Good thing lawmakers implemented ID checks then.

>>105789879
Yeah all that porn your kids are looking for will be on your name.

>>105789888
As opposed to my IP address? Are you just admitting that porn is something to be ashamed of?

>>105782622
Those in power, authoritarians, government expansion of power into private lives, private speech, private freedom is a threat to everyone.

Uniparty

>>105789691
I don't know why you're trying to make unfunny jokes about this that have no relevance.
An identification, is an identification, it's the antithesis of anonimity.
>but they don't store it
What difference would this make at all you clown. What an awful deceptive "person".

>>105789457
> family computer
Hopefully the government will give me a nice, big, flatscreen TV/computer combo with microphones and cameras I can put up in the main room.
t. winston

>>105789900
Yeah anon in the same way you're "identified" if you buy porn in a store and they have security cameras. It's so a retarded non issue, you might have a point if they were storing and selling PII but as I pointed out it's quite easy to NOT do this and because you fail to make this distinction you're now incapable of making any convincing arguments.

>>105789919
>you're now incapable of making any convincing arguments
You're the one trying to convince me, and failing to do so.
>I don't care so why should you?
There's no substance in that.

>>105782926
most boomers are mentally ill by definition

>>105790020
I don't have to convince you, the ID check laws are passing as we speak. I don't really care what you think because you're a non-person.

>>105789874
>kids dont care about barriers at all
Yes they do, but not because they respect why that barrier exists.
It's not about "something going wrong", it's about not being worth the effort to bypass. Finding/paying for a VPN so you can open PornHub absolutely falls into the "not worth it" category for most children.

>>105782584 (OP)
>making porn harder to access
A moral win for society.
Remember anything given for free is about forming habits or undermining cultures, especially if it costs money to produce hence Tiktok, Youtube etc are all allowed to operate without fees.

>>105787951
70s and 80s were still mostly muff garden porn.
Shaved and bald was such didn't come into its own till the late 80s and its been the norm since porn became free.

>>105790029
You cared enough to argue about it unprompted. These laws don't effect my jurisdiction so it's not my problem.
Your strawman about ephemerality doesn't negate the matter of fact either you deceptive cretin.

>>105790060
>These laws don't effect my jurisdiction so it's not my problem.
That's just a brag that you live in a shitty country. Within 2-3 years every western country will have completely age gated porn with IDs.

>>105790037
you'll pay to watch adds and you will be happy
>and no, you can't hide them

>>105790075
None of this has to do with what I said, you're just trying to drive as far away from the point as possible.
In conclusion, I remain unconvinced. Savages like you deserve what you get.

>>105790094
It's strange because you seem very angry about something that doesn't affect you. Your shitty country apparently doesn't care so why are you here again?

>>105789874
>Are you asexual or something? You missed puberty?
why is it that whenever someone isn't addicted to jacking off, retards assume it's a problem?
people like you are the reason these restrictions need to be made

>>105790100
>I don't care
>I lied I actually care
You argue like an animal, you want cages like an animal, and now you want attention like an animal.

>>105789890
Only for women participating in this business. For men not so much.

>>105782584 (OP)
One can only hope that 4chan adopts this. God the quality of these boards would increase so much

>>105790110
I said I don't care what you think because I think you're an ignorant subhuman mad about his porn access being restricted. I care enough to come in here and laugh at you and further dab on you explaining why you lost politically.

>>105790123
You can't even keep your personal opinions consistent.
In any case I appreciate your admission
>laugh at you and further dab on you explaining why you lost politically
I understand completely what you mean.

>>105790142
I can tell you want to talk about anything except your ignorance of how verification checks work. No more replies, stay mad kiddo!

>>105784126
The amount of shilling this topic gets tells me they're going to steamroll this shit. In the next 10 years we will be verifying our IRL identity in every major online platform.

>>105790153
God knows how many of you need to leave the internet forever so this is a good thing. If ID checks make you schizos leave forever the internet will also massively improve. Between underage faggots and blackpill schizos doomposting all day, I embrace ID checks on every adult website including 4chan.

>>105790119
summer ad revenue would fall off, won't happen

>>105790152
>I can tell you want to talk about anything except your ignorance of how verification checks wor
I hope so, I made it very clear that this wasn't my point and something you presented out of nowhere for no obvious reason.
>No more replies, stay mad kiddo!
I don't know why you think that, I'm not exactly going anywhere.
I can't tell if you're joking around or not, but if you seriously want to talk about verification checks, I guess...post about it. I might chime in or maybe someone else will.
>mad
Sorry if I gave off this impression. I'm annoyed with the topic, and I'm also further aggitated by your posts which I assumed was the purpose (to be inflammatory for attention).

Obviously I'd rather talk about what I posted instead of your side topic that you keep harping on for some reason (I assumed you were trolling but I guess not).

>>105790170
You think some Russian or Asian porn site will care about retarded European restrictions?

>>105790197
1) Asian and Russian sites will have similar restrictions
2) The internet is easily censored and you can blacklist web hosts that refuse to comply.

>>105790191
>for no obvious reason
>for some reason
The reason should be obvious. Pushing an agenda of normalizing constraints.

>>105789856
Nothing else is trying to force me to register my face and ID in a government database when I visit a site retard (yet anyway, but give it 5 years and I'm sure they'll start pushing this shit for anything/everything online).

>>105790420
The fact you think you're anonymous right now is cute.

>>105790438
>I'm totally fine handing over literally every piece of identifying information I have to shady porn companies so they can link it to my watch history, cause 4chan collects IP history which is basically the same thing

>>105790054
>70s and 80s were still mostly muff garden porn.
Nothing to do with your previous statement.

>>105790456
You only admit that porn is something you're ashamed of and already acts like seedy black market dealers and should be regulated harder. You're very convincing anon.

>>105790507
Normal people don't want other people to know what they jack off to, schizo

>>105790507
>You only admit that porn is something you're ashamed of
Making your sexual fetishes public and a core part of your personality is abnormal, tranny weirdo.

>>105790515
Yes because you intrinsically understand porn is bad. Funny how adults don't care about other adult activities like drinking and smoking. This might be a clue that porn should probably be treated even more careful and rigor. Do you know something similar to porn people are ashamed of that also needs lots of regulation? Gambling.

This is becoming a thing globally at the same time.
It's happening in the US and in the EU + UK.
They're ushering in the global online ID system and they're doing it through porn, because many retards support this without a question.
Give it few years and there will be no freedom of speech at all, when even using the internet will require the ID.
Everything you write on this site will be attached to your ID and you'll automatically be monitored by the AI and charged for hate speech or having some dangerous intent towards the controllers.
Welcome to the total control system globohomo has been salivating over for ages.

>>105790549
>muh slippery slope

>>105790541
Do you know what people also don't do? Post their GPS location online.

>>105790545
>Yes because you intrinsically understand porn is bad.
No because I intrinsically understand that sex is a private thing, faggot. I don't want other people watching me shit either, do I need to verify my identity for that?

>>105790549
Yeah the world fell apart with online gambling regulations.

>>105790581
You're right which is why it's funny you think your internet activity is private at all and that given your IP address and device ID data brokers don't already know your name, address and who you live with.

>>105783142
Get away from The French.

>>105789131
This. Also if you're any type of thought leader or want to get into politics prepare to be outed as a feet pervert or hmofa addict if you don't play ball.
>>105789875
>Look at what meta was doing with localhost tracking
Well this is fucking depressing.

>>105790601
>more intrusive explicit violations of privacy that are government mandated are okay, because I'm retarded

>>105790567

Yeah because that scenario is so far out it would never ever happen and it's a conspiracy theory to even think of such things. Get fucked.
They already tried to bring in digital EU id system during corona, but thankfully many constitutions prevented such a system. They never stopped working on that system btw.
They're absolutely hell bent on removing all online anonymity and the online ID is their way of doing so, because it will give them total control.
This porn ID requirement will be deemed completely ineffective because it's so easy to find porn online, so they'll just slap it on the internet access itself and I bet you lot will just say
>Well what does it matter?
>We already give our info to the corporations when we get internet access, so what's the big deal?

>>105790626
You see I don't think you have the right to access porn without any restrictions so your argument doesn't work on me at all. I do not see porn as a universal right let alone one that any child can do as well.

>>105790641
I don't see you breathing as a right, so kill yourself faggot

>>105782584 (OP)
>bro why do you hoard all this data that's freely available on the internet whenever?
I shall be the coolest uncle ever for giving my nephew a 2TB SSD drive full of porn as his wedding gift by mid-2030s

>>105790549
yes and the idiot boomers that are in this very thread will hand it to them on a silver platter

>>105790641
>look at me, I'm being edgy and retarded on purpose!
here's your (You), fuck off

>>105790631
>it would never ever happen and it's a conspiracy theory
yes

>>105790671
Is "giving porn to kids is bad" edgy now?

>>105790641
>>105790601
>>105790545
>>105790507
>>105790438
rangeban Israel

>>105790659

It's not even just boomers at this point. It's the counter culture "conservative" virtue signaling idiots who do it and some of these dimwits are on the younger side.
People in general are dumb as fuck, they all virtue signal with their own subjects. Leftists do it with nigs and fags, right wing does it with religion and supposedly upholding morals by being against porn.
Of course in reality the leftists don't want to live anywhere near nigs and right wing people jack off to porn daily.
But they will be willing to destroy the world for their god damn moral posing, just so they look better in their own circles.
At this rate this crazy world will go just like it did in Deus Ex, where China of all places is the last country on earth where you can own private property.

>>105790695
If the idea of a teenage google searching boobs scares and offends you then you are probably a pedophile

>>105790671
I don't think it's particularly edgy to say porn isn't a universal right. In fact it seems 80% of the population agrees. The outlier is having essentially an unregulated public park where porn is posted everywhere which is what the internet has been. Absolutely no one believes porn let alone access to porn is a 1st amendment right and we know this because porn was prohibited the first 100+ years of this country's existence. The fact is I'm the closest to a reasonable opponent you'll have on this issue and you're completely incapable of articulating a rational stance and that's why you lost. So far all you people can do is seethe and scream "I do not care if children access porn as long as I can do it without anyone watching". That is not a winning argument.

>>105790720
Shut the fuck up Jew, back to your cave

>>105782622
>>now, with the most liberal government in human history:
I hope you don't mean the UK government, lmao.
Also conservatives absolutely seethe about the heckin' pornerino everywhere, but it's not like the other side doesn't. It is an extremely enticing idea to ban it and get even more data on your citizens. Of course, it's all for preventing terrori--no, I mean the other one of the 2 joker cards in the deck.

>>105790720
Damn that's a lot of fucking words to say you're retarded.

If you don't want your kids to see porn, don't let them use the internet moron. (They'll still see it because you're a fucking retard and humans are horny)

>>105790719
That's a strawman, the argument is that those boobs should be age gated, please correctly frame the assertion. The objective is not some puritianical idea that a teenager should never ever see boobs, the idea is that porn should have age restrictions. They're entirely different concepts and even the most liberal sex-positive person can recognize that a minor shouldn't access porn online.

>>105790720
The internet was not meant for children, stop giving kids a smartphone at age 5 you fucking idiot. I don't need a digital nanny forcing me to verify my age and identity every time I get behind the wheel of my car because PEOPLE UNDERSTAND NOT TO GIVE THEIR KEYS TO THEIR TODDLERS AND LET THEM DRIVE

>>105790767
>the argument is that those boobs should be age gated
That's a parent's job, kike.

>>105782584 (OP)
There will come a time when you won't be able to visit ANY site on the world wide web without a "digital ID". The faster that time comes, the better: I'll just use I2P and other deep web networks exclusively.

>>105790767
>even the most liberal sex-positive person can recognize that a minor shouldn't access porn online.
Actually the vast majority of people understand that people see porn when they're young all the time, because puberty makes you horny and obsessing over trying to stop horny kids from doing horny kid things is psychotic and retarded. Just teach them to close the door when they're jacking it and clean up after themselves. If this offends your sensibilities, you would fuck a child given the opportunity.

>>105782584 (OP)
Are there any sites left nowadays where it's mostly amateurs posting stuff instead of thumbnails and shorts of proffessional productions?

>>105790752
The issue is that you don’t realize this isn’t a theoretical debate, the laws are already being passed, and you're literally in a thread discussing it.

And beyond that, your "solution" is laughably ignorant. “Don’t let kids use the internet”? In 2025? That’s you admitting you have no answer and resorting to insults because you're out of arguments.

>>105790812
>“Don’t let kids use the internet”? In 2025?
Yes retard. Literally just fix the problem.

>>105790812
>your "solution"
You're the one claiming there's a problem, I don't give a shit about it. If (You) have a problem with your kids seeing porn, then don't let them use the porn box, it's that fucking simple. If you have a problem with someone else's kids seeing porn, then kill yourself, it's none of your fucking business.

>>105790806
I’m sorry, but this response reads like it’s coming from someone with a deeply disturbed upbringing, not something that reflects normal, healthy development in 99% of households.

No, it’s not normal or acceptable for children to regularly view hardcore pornography, and framing that as just “horny kid behavior” is perverse. That kind of thinking is not relatable, not mainstream, and absolutely not defensible.

>Won't SOMEONE PLEASE think of the CHILDREN?
>t. person who literally can't stop thinking about children

>>105790719
This is such a common response when confronted with simply not giving porn to children. The idea that not wanting your child to be exposed to everything xhamster has to offer before they can legally vote somehow means you want to fuck kids.
Which is interesting, since the opposition making this claim can never explain WHY they think kids should have unfiltered access to hardcore pornography while they're still in middle school. And asking them to defend their stance only ever results in the same projection.

So tell me, WHY should pornography be given to children?

>>105790856
>Yes I can't for even a second stop thinking about beautiful young children jerking their dicks to degenerate internet porn, but it is you who is abnormal for telling me to mind my own fucking business

>>105790840
Given I agree with the laws and the laws are passed I guess I already won.

>>105790868
>not giving porn to children
I'm not giving them anything, they're seeking it out themselves. JUST DON'T LET THEM GO ON THE INTERNET IF YOU CARE SO MUCH FAGGOT

>>105790870
You're the one who started talking about children graphically.

>>105790868
>The idea that not wanting your child to be exposed to everything xhamster has to offer
You're free to stop your children from doing whatever you want, you don't need the government to do it to everyone for that.

>>105790868
I don't give a shit about what kids do or don't have access to online, I don't have any and I don't plan to have any. I don't want MY online experience being turned into even more dystopian bullshit because you can't be bothered to keep track of your own shit goblins, faggot.

>>105790874
>law passed that won't do anything to solve the "problem" but will make the internet objectively worse for everyone
>I won!

>>105782584 (OP)
Good

>>105790729
>>105790783
Anyone ever notice how whenever a Jewish dominated industry (like porn) is threatened, certain people jump to discredit the threats by calling THEM Jewish?
Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

>>105790940
>stop asking questions, just give your ID and face scan to Israel to see your smut, goy
Shut the fuck up jew

>>105790881
You do realize we recognize children as a completely different class from adults, right? Society takes that distinction so seriously that adults have legal obligations toward children, and when those are violated, people go to jail.

So no, “a child seeking it out” is not permission to let them do whatever they want. A child might seek out vandalism, violence, or theft, that doesn’t mean we just stand by and watch.

And even using your logic, you should still care, because if society starts properly enforcing accountability for adults who enable or ignore a child’s access to illegal content, it won’t stop with parents. I'm entirely fine with discussing criminal consequences for adults who aid, encourage, or look the other way, especially when it involves exposing minors to explicit material. These wouldn’t even be new laws, they’re the same standards we already apply to adults who let kids drink alcohol.

>>105790881
>>105790895
>>105790915
You're presumably adults. This barrier doesn't effect you.

>>105790957
Damn that's a lot of words to say you're retarded.

Children are not property of the state, parent your own fucking kids you faggot and leave me alone.

>>105790956
Not even gonna hide it? Of course not.

>>105790925
>everyone
Whoa there buddy that's now how you say "me".

>>105790970
>haha, this won't affect me because I don't look at porn
let us know how that's going in a couple years when you have to upload your ID to submit a google search to make sure you're not looking for "dangerous information"

>>105790958
>having to give your data to a third party every time you want to have a wank does not affect you
retardation

>>105790968
That’s not the argument I made. I didn’t say children are property of the state, I said adults have legal obligations to protect children. Are you denying that’s true?

>>105790958
>>105790970
How would you have felt yesterday if you hadn't had breakfast?

>>105791010
>I said adults have legal obligations to protect children
Their own children.

>That’s not the argument I made
It's funny how you expect me to read all that shit when you've already proven you're retarded

>>105790957
You don't have the right to decide what other peoples' children are allowed to see, kill yourself.

>>105791000
You need an ID to buy booze, cigarettes, and porn in every store that sells it.
If that bothers you so much, then do it less.

>>105791052
>You need an ID to buy booze, cigarettes
Those are substances that physically harm the user
>and porn
>buying porn

>>105790994
1) People already get arrested for Google searches and guess what? No ID required. Your activity isn’t nearly as anonymous as you think.
2) I simply wouldn't use a porn website that doesn't guarantee my privacy with the age verification process. And there are alternatives to accessing porn including local AI generation and shopping at retailers. I don't see porn access particularly limited unless you're a child who can't pass ID verification.

It's honestly hard to tell if you're just being bad faith or you're dangerously ignorant about your current anonymity.

This thread really illustrates very well the mindset of a country that has collectively decided it's okay to require a background check to purchase a butter knife.

>>105791045
Children already aren't "allowed" to view pornography websites. You're mad that it's being enforced.

>>105791074
>we should make the internet more cucked because it's already kind of cucked
kill yourself jew

>>105782584 (OP)
>vpns out of the uk
>problem goes away

>>105791032
No, adults that aren't parents get arrested all the time. Who do you think gets arrested if you give a child alcohol, you or their parents?

>>105791084
Yes, because the enforcement is the problem. The laws against it were always retarded because they're unenforceable busybody horseshit, so trying harder to enforce them in a way that STILL WON'T WORK and makes things worse for everyone is bad. You retard.

>>105791066
So you're saying a child shouldn't be allowed to seek out and consume anything proven to be harmful?

>>105791104
>if you give a child alcohol
I'm not giving children anything, go away jew

>>105791066
Given how much you people really really don't want people to know your porn history I have a feeling it's not as safe as you imply. Also your argument is really drifting to online piracy which is also not allowed and the age restriction crackdowns are going to take down a lot of your "free" (read piracy) porn sites.

>>105791122
No I'm saying you're retarded

>>105791114
>The laws against it were always retarded because they're unenforceable
>the enforcement is the problem
So you want laws to be enforced, until they're actually enforced.

>>105791137
>What do you mean you don't want me knowing the exact size and shape of your penis? It must be dangerous, we'll have to have that removed
You're deeply stupid

>>105791143
>So you want laws to be enforced
wow you're illiterate, this explains so much

>>105791124
You’re not giving children anything directly, but if a website lets kids access porn without verification, that platform is enabling it.

And yes, the crackdowns are real. Age verification laws are already passing, and it's only a matter of time before platforms, and possibly individuals, face legal consequences for letting minors access explicit content.

Whether it happens through legislation or lawsuits, the open-door policy is going away. You can pretend it’s not your problem, but the law won’t.

And given you're uncle-posting right now, I don't think you're as aloof as you think.

>>105791166
I accept your concession.

>>105791169
>but if a website lets kids access porn without verification, that platform is enabling it.
No, their parent is by giving them unmonitored access to the internet. If a parent ignores their kid and lets them wander into a lake and drown you punish the parent, not the person who put the lake there.

>>105791156
People don't care if people know if they buy alcohol.
People don't care if people know if they smoke.
You care a lot if people know if you look at porn.

>>105791195
Post your address and phone number right now

>>105791169
Why do you want to fuck kids so bad

>>105791122
very interesting how you just decided to drop the word "physically" there, rabbi

>>105791185
The lake analogy sucks and isn’t worth saving. Websites are more like shops on every corner, some sell age-restricted material like porn or alcohol, and it’s the shop owner's legal duty to check ID, not just the parent's job to follow their kid around 24/7.

A parent can’t realistically guarantee their child never steps into one of those shops (unlike the lake) and that’s why, when something goes wrong, it’s the shop owner who gets arrested. Also aside the fact that lakes are natural features and shops and websites are man-made and man-run.

>>105791261
>A parent can’t realistically guarantee their child never steps into one of those shops
Yes they can, it's a parent's job to keep track of their kid.

>>105791203
Are you even capable of not arguing in bad faith? All you’ve done is prove my point: some things are clearly more private than others. But you still haven’t addressed my actual claim, that out of alcohol, smoking, and porn (all adult-only, illegal for children activities), only one sparks this level of paranoia about being seen using it. That tells us something.

>>105791272
Yeah anon, did your parents watch you 24/7? Is your mom behind you right now?

Based on your take, I’m guessing the opposite, sounds like you grew up with zero supervision and way too much time alone on an unmonitored computer. That would explain a lot.

Are you unironic shills or just retarded?

>>105791428
They're Brits, so both

>>105791296
Dox yourself right now or you're ashamed of your personal data and it should be illegal

>>105791243
Are you implying that porn (a Jewish dominated industry btw) isn't harmful?

>>105791482
I ain't never seen someone get lung cancer from jorkin it

>>105791472
Yup thanks for proving my point. You know porn is bad, you are ashamed of it, and that's exactly like you're being treated like a degenerate.

>>105790791
They will come for us next.

Children have the right to watch porn. This is my argument.

Fuck children.

If they gate 4chan I'll miss talking to you guys.

Now when i think about this... why they would make internet more friendly for kids? Kids should fucking stay away from internet period. Ban porn so kids can explore safely? The fuck!!!? Nothing makes sense here unless.... yeah money like always.