Thread 105791554

Moving forward with other candidates edition

>Interviewing
Neetcode 150: https://neetcode.io/practice
Tips and interview practice: https://blog.interviewing.io/

>How to write a resume
https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/25/how-to-write-an-effective-developer-resume-advice-from-a-hiring-manager/

>Salary Stuff
"What's your expected salary?": https://www.fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/salary-expectations-interview-question/
Negotiation advice: https://github.com/petermekhaeil/salary-negotiating
Salary data: https://levels.fyi/

>Software Development & Programming
GitHub Trending - https://github.com/trending
DevDocs - https://devdocs.io/
JavaScript, CSS, HTML sandbox - https://jsfiddle.net/
MDN Web Docs - https://developer.mozilla.org/
Stack Overflow Blog - https://stackoverflow.blog/

>IT Operations & Infrastructure
AWS Service Health Dashboard - https://status.aws.amazon.com/
Cloudflare System Status - https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
DownDetector - https://downdetector.com/
Microsoft Azure Status - https://status.azure.com/
Microsoft Office 365 Status - https://portal.office.com/servicestatus

>Unemployment Advice
Interview Prep - https://www.wikihow.com/Ask-Your-Parents-for-Money
Building a Resume - https://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Manifesto
Salary Stuff - https://www.usa.gov/benefit-finder/disability
Emotional Support - https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods
People who will be joining us shortly - https://layoffs.fyi

>International Job Boards
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/
Indeed - https://www.indeed.com/
Hiring Cafe - https://hiring.cafe/
YCombinator - https://www.workatastartup.com/companies
Wellfound - https://wellfound.com/jobs

>Anti-Pajeet Job Boards
USAJobs - https://www.usajobs.gov/
Clearancejobs - https://www.clearancejobs.com/

Previous: >>105760623

Reminder that it is entirely your fault and your fault alone that you are unemployed and undesirable from companies that are literally mass hiring the bottom of the barrel pajeets.

>>105791586
If you went into software just because you had no other motivation in life and just wanted money+followed the hype i think you deserve to be unemployed. They only want the really good ones to lower the salary of the average ones and the only reason they constantly talk about "labour shortages" is to increase the reserve labour foce, they (your bosses) WANT you to be unemployed, so they can keep lowering the salaries of their jobs. The unimportant and easy to get jobs are offshored to the 3rd world. You? just follow your dreams, and if you have no desires due to no soul because of jewish blood in your family then just end it.

>>105791508
>Why dont you guys just create apps on iStore/AppStores for cash flow?
There are thousands of other apps on app stores, many of which have their own development and marketing teams. The days of one guy making an app that goes viral is long past. Did you come out of 2011?

>>105791655
yeah the brealout app doesnt work. you dont even get side money from it.

interview with the product director went very well, we got along and a lot of my experience lines up with what the expectations of the role would be
hopefully i get the job

Has anyone ever had anything come out of some place keeping your resume on file? They just mention that in a vain attempt to make people feel better, right?

>>105791921
I think its to stop you from applying for future roles and wasting their time

>>105791636
but they literally only hire those money chasing rerards and bannes hiring of proper tech nerds ages ago

I'm having my first interview in a few days, anything I should know besides not making it because I'm not a H-1B visa tech worker?

>>105792080
If you're money chasing but can produce good enough code in a short time youre one of the good ones

>>105792143
I'm not money chasing and repeatedly get told I'm the best programmer in existence with promises or actual raises or promotions right before getting fired or laid off.

>>105791636
This is an absolutely insane take that absolves the jeets and tech ceos of their robbery. A crazy number of seniors just fell into the role as nerds and they did magical things. They started somewhere too. The big difference is the world was different and they actually trained them from the bottom up. Now you do their labor for them like the boot licker you are and pretend like it's just because you're passionate.

H1B abuse tip line.
https://www.uscis.gov/scams-fraud-and-misconduct/report-fraud/combating-fraud-and-abuse-in-the-h-1b-visa-program

cs phd with no internships, no skills, and mid publications => utwg

wat do?

>>105792651
cs phd with great skills, over 1k citations in 8 pubs, patent, and 3yoe also in /utwg/. Shit's fucked in $current_year

>>105792609
jobs.now is a site that has a bunch of H1B listings pulled from places where they're hidden.

what do u anons think of remote data annotation contractor jobs?
https://www.dataannotationcompanies.com/jobs/

>>105792772
Applied to a bazillion of them, got rejected from all.

why are jeets such fucking assholes

do YC companies actually make any money?

>>105792909
Normally they drop that label long before they turn a profit. Most of them the plan is just to sell out asap to a bigger fool so they never plan to get there even.

>>105791554 (OP)
Bros, give me the real talk no memery
Is it too late to switch careers?

>36
>17 years in graphics design
>not a freelancer, but employed in a large agency
>making ok money, have a nice little nest egg setup
>but I swill maybe wanna try web dev

>>105793205
no don't even bother

>>105793205
web dev has been super saturated for years. Now is the worst time in history to get a tech job, even worse in your case where you have something stable but are old with 0 exp.

>>105793242
>>105793324
What would you say is the most realistic tech career choice for me?
Embedded? Automation? Security? Anything?
Or is the whole industry in the deep?

>>105793386
It's gonna start with web dev, but the whole sector is getting fucked, it's only a matter of when.
If you are a graphics designer, then maybe find something in the gaming industry that's quite hard to consider automating, art direction, story boarding, quest design.
I'd also recommend at least understanding broad concepts of game engine design and game development.
Anything that requires a personal touch is very likely to endure.

>>105792701
The warehouse is calling, PhD-kun

>>105792909
No. They get a huge "valuation" and sell the company to a conglomerate who use it as a financial instrument.

Now that the west is essentially post-scarcity (food is so cheap crops have to be destroyed and farmers subsidized to keep the prices adequate so the system doesnt collapse, renewable energy is cheap and effective, low-end "luxury" goods like cigarettes and cellphones are trivially cheap) there is nothing left for "startups" to do under the current system and the only reason the system hasnt shifted to reflect that is that the oligarchs in charge would rather pogrom the western population and import third worlders to keep it running than let number go slightly down even though they already own a megayacht and have enough wealth to last 10 generations

>>105793205
seniors are having a hard time landing roles you are not going to get anything with no experience or education
consider taking on new responsibilities in your current agency or transitioning to a different role
>>105793386
product design
also there's graphic design jobs in the tech sector i'm not sure whats stopping you

BOO NIGGAS

>>105793664
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

we need to start killing techbros. pretty much all the (western) problems of the post-coof era can be traced back to tech-obsessed daddy's money grifters, possibly all of them since the cold war ended

>>105791554 (OP)
if God is so good, why didn't he allow East Asians to have naturally occurring blue eyes?

Will an AWS Cloud Practitioner cert help for jr SWE? I have no cloud computing experience

>>105794389
no
nothing will help
look out the window asshole this job market is not a normal situation

>>105794389
No, a shotgun round to your brain might help.

>>105791554 (OP)
Bros what if we organize a collective suicide?

>>105794910
Your shotgun fires the whole shell?

>>105794945
Organize a techbro meetup except you're a suicide bomber

>>105794965
Kek I never thought about something like that.

>>105794975
advanced mode is organizing it through a series of sockpuppets, and simply showing up with a gun so you can do it over and over and over

>>105794965
IS THAT KONQI?

>>105795062
no, actually, konqui doesn't have horns, fins on his head, discernable ears, nor a chest/back carapace. that appears to be a generic triceratops

>>105795028
Psycho. Take your meds.

>>105795073
So much as having a prescription would compromise my position, and I am about as happy and productive where I am as I can be in this cruel and twisted world. You cannot convince me to take meds, you cannot force me to take meds, any assault on my position will end in a death (almost definitely mine)

>>105795073
Your health insurance will soon go away even if you work from home. Good luck with that.

>>105795203
I don't have a job nor health insurance. Check make atheist.

>>105795216
I just realized I stumbled into an obscenely mentally ill schizo thread without reading the other posts, what the actual fuck

>>105795118
why are you a furry?

>>105795246
he's aryan that's why.

>>105795240
This is a schizo neighborhood keep moving neurotypical.

>>105795246
I have theories that that kind of thins is hereditary, and that animal totemism is common to humanity. Such discussions are out of scope for a jobs program though

>>105795028
Nobody would go after the first shootout.

>>105795298
>shootout
>implying it wouldn't be a series of executions
techbros can't aim guns when they don't have heatbeat sensors and autoaim flechettes, and those things do not exist. techbros are free(as in jobbers) in a firefight

this is who has been taking all your jobs /g/

and next we will take your womans too

>>105795361
>saars, I...
It's crazy to think about how a relative handful of executives in the US can destroy the country from within and steal prosperity from their own children's futures.

>>105795433
The executives are mostly Indians or other immigrants, so they don't give a fuck

>>105795361
>rapist child killer shares his side of the story
Same energy really.

>>105795361
>>105795433
>>105795554
When will normies start realizing that these pajeet are destroying their country and economies? I hope they learned from what happened to Canada

>>105795569
Never because even more right leaning normalfags still go "well at least they got in legally!", and also still believe in the stereotype that Indians by default are smart. Nor do they know much about the culture besides the basic foods like curry or the gandhi, they don't know about the caste systems they still have or street shitting.

>>105793664
Yeah people ITT have filled out hundreds of those.

>>105793699
*jews
That's a strange typo to have there.

Get a job you lazy fucks

>>105795744
I've literally been in the military for over 10 years, completed a long-term contract longer than the average Regular Force one, am still on payroll working at a reserve unit, have collected two medals for deploying, am up for a third decoration just for time in, and have been looking for other steadier more normal work.

What the hell more do I have to do to appease these mike rowe worshipping boomer fucks?

>>105795761
Get a job you fucking worthless undesirable bum.

>>105795783
I know you're trolling, but trolling is only effective because it's believable. I straight up do not get why boomers consider me as having not been working for so long.

Granted, my job is easy, even at sea, but so is the average IT or code monkey's job. And they don't have to do it on a moving platform, or in a byzantine 40k-tier bureaucracy

>>105795801
Boo hoo nigga, get a job.

>>105795761
Why do you want to be worshiped for fighting for zog?

>>105795833
>worshiped
I don't want to be worshipped, I want to get paid.

>>105795853
death to spies
death to mercenaries
death to glowies

>>105795801
>unemployed furfag nigger
Why are you in this thread?

>>105795761
Tech boomers are a different cut of cloth.

>>105795915
>>105795914
>>105795889
guess i should just spam-apply to G4S then

>>105796009
casting Bravery and Faith on the thread, we gonna get that money when the paradigm shifts

>>105796023
get a job

>>105796042
saboteurs, cast Emperil on this nigga

>>105795964
>G4S
Talking about USA job grade pays?

>>105796128
>>105795964
GAH DOOD

>>105796141
ok fuck it straight to Xe then

>>105796141
>british
Disgusting.

>>105791915

great but you will never be a woman

>>105791636
America told me to learn to code and that it’d be a good, lucrative career path. Then I graduated in 2023 to a mid- and senior-level market only. Now I continue to deliver pizzas.

>>105796288
Are you indian ?

>>105791655
Also, making a decent app is pretty complicated. Have you watched the Stanford CS193p course? I think it takes years to really know Apple’s frameworks. Programming in Swift is comfy, though.

>>105796293
No, I’m a white male.

China and Russia could permanently cripple the US tomorrow if they put forth an appealing work program to snipe all the White engineers.

>>105796308
native apps have been dead for over a decade, don't even think about wasting time on it

>>105796341
>aiee saar i am KSHATRIYA i am WHITE!!! respect on me sir!!! prepone my wages i am proud money warrior i code the python!!!!

>>105796365
It's astonishing that they don't do it. The U.S. has the best CS graduates. Coding is biased towards native English speakers. Our government is talking about importing more h1bs when the tech market's already cooked. Plenty of lefty tranny coders fantasize about Russia/China because of communism.

>>105796365
They can take our White engineers but if they touch even a single hair on our indians, or human gold as we like to call them, we will have no choice but to nuke every major population center in self defense.

>>105796398
>OUR COUNTRY IS THE BEST ON EARTH
>t. our country
hmmmmmmmm

>>105796288
Same. Except I'm just retarded and I should have graduated long ago before this fall happened. Now I'm eating shit and want to kill myself every day.

>>105796370
I already have “wasted” years on and off on it. I still see job postings, but they’re all junior to mid.
>>105796391
I am white. I’m not joking.

>>105796416
post your toilet with your hands to prove youre not a designated street shitter

>>105796416
I meant junior to senior. Entry-level iOS job? Nonexistent except for internships. And well, I haven’t been in school for over 2 years. Should I still apply?

>>105796407
We're not the best, but we probably are the best at tech. The whole industry is built off of Western European backs

>>105796413
I think about suicide often. I’m 39. This was supposed to be it.

>>105796365
Anyone smart enough to be a STEM graduate is also probably smart enough to not move to Russia regardless of what Russia claims it could offer them.
The Chinese are probably too paranoid about spying and subversion that they'll never take in displaced western engineers who are likely politically anti-authoritarian and/or anti-communist even if they're dissatisfied with the west.

>>105796235
what are you on about i'm a man

>>105796436
*the best at monetizing tech

>>105796458
Russia only has the political incentive, China has the means to actually become the tech center of the world once they have the top engineers. They need to get over the paranoia. Just make sure they are White and not "fellow White" and there is no danger. Besides what is a spy going to do on a team that builds phones or operating systems?

>>105796485
>what is a spy going to do when deep in communication and a core system?
Are you fucking retarded?

>>105796485
>Besides what is a spy going to do on a team that builds phones or operating systems?
Are you implying that chinese spies working on western tech haven't tried to make backdoors before?

>>105796465
*the best overall

>>105796465
*the best at tech

>>105796398
You're not a part of this statistic because you would have a job if you were.

>>105796288
get a real job you retarded faggot.

>>105796657
>because you would have a job if you were.
says who?

>>105796288
2 years of unemployment after graduating is a dead career. Cut your losses and learn to weld. I would never hire anyone like you for a junior role.

>>105796646
*at monetizing tech
You're a nation of jews and golems, you aren't good at tech just because you can make $100m companies about the latest FOTM.

>>105796663
You're just not good enough if you can't get hired. It's just that simple, the job market is fine and normal, idk why you retards keep complaining as if there was some conspiracy keeping you from getting a job in tech. You're not entitled to a job if you're not good enough, it's that simple. If you're unemployed, you're not good enough, fuck off and work some other industry, I need someone to make my coffee anyways.

>>105796683
learn 2 gaslight, retard

>>105796687
Get a job you retard, I'm just telling you what you need to know because you somehow can't comprehend the fact that you're not good enough for tech.

>>105796670
I did learn to micro weld (solder) and it’s one of my part-time jobs. You wouldn’t hire me, but maybe someone else will?

>>105796682
so what area in tech do we fall flat on?
We invented the whole fuckin thing. We have the best universities that changs and rajs are willing to pay double tuition for. We have the best industry that unfortunately attracts the entire globe. Plenty of well-respected researchers, too.
The only competition is Scandinavia if you're considering their low population.
>>105796696
>t. also in utwg

>>105796713
I'm an engineering manager and I'm spending my time away from /twg/ to lecture and shit on you retards who think you're good enough for the tech industry.
Honestly, with all the AI tools we have today, how the fuck have you retards with all your free time have not come up with something that will get you hired? Can you faggots even code?

>>105796732
This is sadder than being unemployed
You have a team that could use your help, and instead you're posting "you suck!!!" on /g/? If you actually are in the industry, get the fuck out so somebody useful can take your spot, raj

>>105796744
At least I have a job you sad pathetic unemployed faggot.

>>105796713
>We invented the whole fuckin thing.
lmao
>We have the best universities that changs and rajs are willing to pay double tuition for
That isn't related to how skilled the student becomes, it's related to how much the name is worth.
>We have the best industry
Your industry is carried by half a dozen websites with the rare actual tech company.
>Plenty of well-respected researchers
Most of the research papers I've seen (admittedly not many) are filled with chink names.

>>105796755
yeah, a job sucking dick for crack

>>105796759
all i hear is cope
>hurrrrr FAANG and Ivy Leagues are actually not that imrpessive, saar
picrel is your country

>>105796787
>Ivy Leagues are actually not that imrpessive
Yes.
>FAANG are website companies not tech companies
Yes.
Facebook, website.
Amazon, website (with distribution).
Apple, tech.
Netflix, website.
Google, website.
They didn't get to where they are through their tech skills, they got there through their business skills. Only Apple really introduced anything mildly complex.

>>105796806
>FAANG are website companies not tech companies
astounding levels of retardation

>>105796814
I presented evidence, you presented seething.
None of them except apple started with something that the average graduate couldn't shit out.

>>105796806
the copium is crazy
>Ok, yeah Western Europeans invented HTTP, UDP, TCP, IP, the PC, HTTP, and pretty much anything worth anything, but we invented the SAAR protocol where we only hire each other and beat Europeans via nepotism

>>105796828
>Western Europeans
We aren't talking about Western Europeans we're talking about America.

>posts about getting a job or having a job in /utwg/
Bait or retardation?

>>105793523
food is super expensive and we need to cut it with trash to make it adfordable on the shelf, renewables are so bad many countries repened their coal plants

>>105796826
You do realize all those companies have massive backends, right? They're not just webpages. There's a whole host of databases, software pipelines, and other infrastructure behind each of those websites that allow them to do their user-facing function. You are utterly retarded if you couldn't realize that.

>>105796836
>We aren't talking about Western Europeans we're talking about America.
Up until recently the US was predominately inhabited by people with Western European ancestry, i.e. Brits and Germans, and later Irish and Italians. And it's those settlers that built America into the country it is today. America speaks a West European language and has much of its culture descended from West European influences. Saying that America has nothing to do with West Europe is profound historical illiteracy.

>>105796836
Ok. White Americans created UDP, TCP/IP, Apple, Windows, modern PCs, cloud computing, contributed to developing microprocessors.
The only countries that come close to the U.S. in contributions are Europeans/Canadians who share the same DNA as us.
China does publish more (emphasis on quantity), but less per capita. And considering that their CS grads perform worse than us, it's likely shittier research.

>>105796885
Oh and VR is also a White American invention

>>105796873
>massive backends
Backends that were created after getting big.
Yet again, I state a fact (none of them except apple started with something that the average graduate couldn't shit out) and you ignore it because it makes you seethe.
I could make early Facebook.
I could make early Google.
I could make early Amazon (if I had distribution connections).
I could make early Netflix (if I had rights to the IPs).
These weren't complex websites, they got to where they are through business skills not through tech. America only knows how to monetize better than anyone else because it's a thoroughly judaized society.

>Up until recently the US was predominately inhabited by people with Western European ancestry
Up until now the argument was about the US, stop moving the goalposts.

>>105796910
>Yet again, I state a fact (none of them except apple started with something that the average graduate couldn't shit out) and you ignore it because it makes you seethe.
This is how non-Whites think. You throw out all of the pioneering and soft skills and scaling over muh leetcode hards. Nobody gives a shit how many libraries you've memorized. Why can't you create anything of value?

>>105796910
>I could make early Facebook.
>I could make early Google.
then do it and show us

>>105796885
>UDP, TCP/IP
Very valid.
>Apple, Windows
An OS brand is not a tech invention. The concept of the OS itself, or good features that the OS's introduce, are another matter.
>modern PCs
Modern PCs isn't a tech invention it's a timeline of the PC in general.
>cloud computing
I'm not really sure you can call that an achievement, it's an over marketed stain.
>contributed to developing microprocessors.
>contributed

>>105796937
Are you a boomer or are you just ceding the argument?
Yeah if I created a version of early facebook/google it'd go nowhere, shit even if I could replicate modern google/facebook it'd go nowhere, because the tech was irrelevant to its success.

>>105796935
>pioneering
Ah yes, the pioneering of... a website.

>>105796955
The first OS was the GM-NAA I/O, invented by Americans.

>>105796991
And yet that's not what you were proud of, you said Apple and Windows, because you only care about the ones that made money.

>>105796955
>contributed to developing microprocessors.
Yes? A country that holds <5% of the globe's population contributed 25%-33% to inventing one of the world's most important inventions.

>>105797015
Because nobody's using the fucking GM-NAA I/O but you wanna be a copium junkie, so I mentioned that Americans not only optimized the OS, but also invented it.

I got asked for contact details of references before getting an offer, so twice I told them to heck off. Now they want to have a call "so we can resolve this". All this for a shitty support position in another town.
Am I in the right for refusing to give them my valuable contacts before an offer? And should I do it again?

>>105796885
All the tech was developed in europe. US is the land of stolen valor. Same with flight.

>>105797028
Only 25-33%? I was assured that America absolutely dominated the world in tech, "We invented the whole fuckin thing". That's pretty pathetic desu.

>Because nobody's using the fucking GM-NAA I/O
We were discussing tech not successful business moves, in fact one of my main arguments has been that America is shit at tech and are successful because they monetize well due to their jewish nature, yet you still come forward with the products that were monetized well. You didn't even bother standing by them saying
>well they technologically advanced the industry in this area
Which they absolutely did. You literally only cared that they were big products.

>>105797066
cope. Honorary indians. "We can invent FAANG, just not in our countries!"

>>105797068
There's actually 2/4 important names that are American with microprocessors, so you could say 50%
>discussing tech not successful business moves
How are these not related? Nobody cares if you can re-invent facebook when your UI/UX looks like shit, you can't scale it, and you don't know how to distribute your software.
>You only care that they were big products
Yes. Improvement counts as development.

>>105797028
the real first os was in the uk: https://www.i-programmer.info/history/machines/670-leo-lyons-electonic-office.html

>>105797093
that's the thing. The us can't do ui, ux or scaling, just bruteforcing. You cope with business "lipstick on a pig". All the tech worth anything is european.

>>105797093
See? Completely judaized.
All the American golem cares about is money and how to give shlomo whatever the fuck he wants.

>>105797094
Not an OS, get ChadGPT'd, loser

>>105797099
>>105797102
>we can do that, too! We just chose not to because we're retarded and gay and coping

>>105797129
>the fact you don't center your entire economy around half a dozen websites is a problem

>>105797150
if you reduce FAANG to "just websites," you're coping. AWS is the most popular cloud computing service.

>>105797161
followed by Google and Microsoft, 2 more American businesses kek

>>105797161
>>105796910

>>105797121
thanks for demonstrating your sub-0 IQ but unfortunately for you thar is not an argument.

>>105797175
AWS was founded before Amazon became big and FAANG was even an acronym. And no, you could not create early AWS.

>>105797207
your link doesn't even claim it to be an OS kek
ctrl+f, 0 results

>>105796986
>Yeah I could totally easily code a Facebook and Google clone to win this argument but I'm not going to because uhhh it just wouldn't go anywhere

>>105797220
Amazon was founded in 1994.
AWS early stages were founded in 2002, I'm not sure if I could create that one but it was still a pretty simple idea. Amazon was >$5 billion at this point.
AWS as we know it, cloud focused, was founded in 2006. Amazon was worth >$17 billion at this point.
I dunno, I think "billion" is a pretty big number.

>>105797253
Yes, it wouldn't go anywhere. Everyone knows that. Everyone has had a boomer say "you should make facebook" and everyone is aware that you should tell them to fuck off because you'd just be wasting your time because the technology wasn't the important part there.

>>105797263
I don't know what your point is. "They had billions of dollars, so they didn't revolutionize cloud computing?"
The "invention" argument is so unbelievably gay because there can be 20 pioneers of an invention and you can hand-pick the swarthiest one to say "see? We invented it, saar!" But even then, if you look at the founders of cloud computing, i don't know if you'll find any non-American companies. Salesforce is another American company that did cloud computing a little earlier than AWS.

>>105797306
My point is "The company was founded on the back of a simple website, it's where it is because of their business sense not their unique technology".

>>105797317
It's there because of its business sense AND unique technology.
Or are non-American businessmen so unbelievably fucking retarded that Bezos, who did EE+CS, knows more about business than them?

>>105797327
He knows more about business because it's in his blood, he was born and raised in a thoroughly judaized society, he exists to seek monetization in anything and everything.

>>105793664
lynchian

>>105792909
no YC is a scam where YC say "look at this company (that YC owns 1/3rd of), it will be huge" and then people buy into it and YC makes lots of money. it's a ponzi where mom and pops investment money is siphoned through 7 layers of finance companies.

>>105797227
Doubling down on the 0 iq huh
how bold

>>105797253
Someone once claimed that shitty jblow game with the rewind mechanic was technical genius and challenged me to do it if it's so easy. So I did it in 5 minutes and posted it. He never replied and shitposted the same thing again in the next thread.
It takes a couple hours tops to clone facebook or youtube today. The version at the start was nowhere near as complex. Why do you think it's so common to launch products over the weekend in the bay startup scene?

>>105798495
>>105797327
>>105797306
>>105797263
>>105796910
go
back
retarded
newfag

>>105798516
meds, nocoder

>>105798516
you realize making a facebook clone is a common interview question... right?

>>105798554
>>105798562
>retarded newfag can't read and tells everyone to take meds

every time

If arguing was a job you boys would be CEOs

I am aiming for a tech job by March 2026, here's my current stats

>27
>finishing up my B.Eng. in Industrial Engineering with a minor in Electrical Engineering
>three years as a line cook before college
>business admin and sales internships throughout college
>no tech internships whatsoever, working on a portfolio thoughbeit
>know how to code a little bit

My bachelor thesis is going to be on linear optimization and machine learning.

>>105798600
If arguing was a job I'd be unemployed because of indians flooding the market.

>>105798610
kek
0% chance of ever finding a job

>>105798569
meds, literal schizo nocoder

>>105798645
I wage to say that I will find something before you do

>>105798655
I already have 5yoe and starting my next job soon.
Not only are you unironically unemployable, you're also dumb as fuck. Indian?

>>105798610
>2026
>Some bachelor degree
>Zero experience
>"""Knows how to kode a litle"""
>Wants tech job
Buddy I don't know what to tell you...

>>105798669
I have a pretty easy time getting interviews, actually. I have white skin and blue eyes

>>105798610
It's a shit industry right now but it depends on where you live, non-America you might have a chance, you qualify for graduate jobs and there's no gap to scare people off.
The fact you're about to graduate's a good thing, the fact you have no internships (or lined up) is very bad and it's the kind of industry that wants you young.

To give you some warning: There are practically no entry level positions and each one gets hundreds of applications each.

>>105798679
kek of the top variety

>>105798655
>I wage to say that I will find something before you do
That's accurate. Don't listen to anybody else here, they're irredeemable losers.

>>105798785
go be a crab on a bucket somewhere else, neet faggot

>>105798789
>go be a crab on a bucket somewhere else
Your reading comprehension is trash. I was clearly supporting the person I had replied to earlier. No wonder you're hanging out in /utwg/, unlike myself who has come here to make fun of people like (You).

>>105798684
I'm in Germany.

>the fact you have no internships (or lined up) is very bad and it's the kind of industry that wants you young.
I figured as much. I might stay in sales since I need money above all else but I'm willing to give it an honest effort if there is a chance. I'll try to get an internship but what else is there I could do? Do people even give a shit about portfolios at this point? I enjoy programming either way so it doesn't feel like a waste of time but still. If there is something I could do to maximize my chances I want to give it a shot.

>>105798877
I've heard Germany has one of the better tech industries at the moment, can't confirm though.
>Do people even give a shit about portfolios at this point?
Hard to say. I think it's one of those things they don't care about until you don't have it.

>>105798916
>>105798877
Software anything, especially entry, in Germany and or Europe is paid on par with being a retail wagie. If you are fine with earning less than 2k a month after taxes then yeah you'll find some dogshit job where some German boomer directs a team to produce the worst software to have ever seen the light of day.

>despite your impressive experience we've decided not to move forward with your application
>no we won't tell you why, now fuck off
I hate this shit so much.

>>105799144
Beats cold calling boomers all day long

>>105798805
Go be a crab elsewhere, redditard

>>105799144
cope and seethe
why are you ameritards too dumb for a quick google anyway?

At this point even if I do finally break into an entry-level position and start a tech career I know I'm just going to end up regretting it. I like computers and programming so getting a shitty tech job where I have to put up with jeets all day is very likely going to kill my enthusiasm for it, then I'll have nothing to look forwards to in my life. I should've went into something like mechanical or civil engineering

So am I supposed to be a slave now? It seems like that's the advice I'm getting.
>if you want to make it in tech you gotta have passion for it bro
>I work on my projects 4 hours a day and work for 10 dude
>yea bro you gotta upskill
>still didn't get a job? tough luck man, hey, did you hear about that new cert? What are you working on for your next project dude?

well I guess it's time for me to go to /twg/ again because I got the job, TC is literally more than 2x my previous TC, I earn double the average tech worker in my country now (europe)

5 interview stages, take home challenge, leetcode questions, i did it all
i don't even feel good for some reason, but atleat I don't feel bad

>>105800040
Yup. The industry is filled with jeets and bugmen who don't have a life outside of their careers which makes them perfect slaves for CEOs and middle managers who also don't want people to have a life outside their careers.

I think this has something to do with the sheer amount of currycels, chinkcels, trannies, cucks, and fags in tech. No one belonging to those groups will ever be able to start a family so the concept of not spending all your waking hours working because you want to have sex or spend time with your family is either completely foreign to them, or just makes them seethe. I've also noticed that Indians tend to have absolutely no hobbies so they don't have any value for free time.

>>105791655
It's the zoomer version the boomer "Walk up to the manager and give him a strong handshake" meme.

>>105792609
People have been reporting H1B fraud since at least 2000 and nothing is done about it. That "hot line" is for gullible morons so they'll feel like they did something and shut up. Same for pretty much any "community engagement" meet your government has. They're briar patches to keep you busy and think someone is listening while the real decisions are made without you.

>>105800084
Til next time

>>105800040
Yes. You're expected to compete with people who are making 50-100x the average salary at home.

>>105800040
welcome to post-2010 tech. Enjoy your stay in little India.

>>105800040
That advice is technically correct in that if you keep constantly working hard you might eventually make it. However, a lot of it is cope and delusion too, a way to avoid acknowledging something is wrong.

>>105792714
The hidden jobs are PERM postings for a labor market test to place a Jeet in the so-called green card backlog.

Out of work? Apply to all of these openings.

>congrats on passing all tests anon but unfortunately you got 3.5 over 5 and we require more than 4
>okay, that's fine, thanks
>fast forward 3 days
>congrats anon you got the job
??????????????????

>>105801304
everyone else in the stack said no

>>105801304
they found out their previous candidates lied about being Brahmin caste

we unironically need another pandemic.

>>105801304
in any case, good job

>>105800895
I've gotten way more interviews from that website in 3 months than I have ever gotten from a year of applying on linkedin+indeed.

>>105793523
renewables are highly subsided throughout the Western world, food is packed with fillers to make it cheap enough to afford for the masses, and of course there are new things startups can attempt, they are not bound to computing-related tech, but any field. Don't forget that jeets are highly involved in healthcare too.

Only a champagne socialist or a layman would repeat these talking points.

do hr systems just provide templates for these rejection emails, they all sound the same

>>105801767
Yes, of course. Go play around with an ats or erp, there are several free ones if you're curious.

>>105791554 (OP)
>more rejections this week
Is the move to make up more captivating stories for my answer to behavioral questions, or should I start giving extreme lowballs when asked about my target salary? I'm able to actually get interviews and can handle Amazon-tier coding interview questions just fine, it's the other stuff I'm struggling with.

>>105801767
do you think they type that out specially for you?

>>105801975
not really, there is no good answer to learn and it's all excuses to cut you off even though you aced the rest so they can put the pajeet in instead.

>>105801979
he thought maybe each company makes their own templates or something

>>105800040
>I work on my projects 4 hours a day and work for 10 dude
Where are you guys applying to that has a work culture like this? In my 5+ years of being in the industry full-time, I can count on one hand how many people I've ran into at work who coded for fun during their free time like I do. And if you're only counting coding that isn't work-related, I can count them on one finger. But I've also never worked at software companies, so maybe that's why I haven't been finding them.

>>105802033
literally anywhere in north america is like this. t. 13 yoe.

>>105801767
yes, there is a default for that field in most of the commercial off the shelf HR roasting systems

>>105802104
I'm in the US. Like I said, it's likely because I've never worked at a software company, but a lot of the time I'm the only one on my team with a CS degree; everyone else is accountants who pivoted for the money, so none of them give a shit about personal projects.

>>105802118
yes, that makes sense. I never managed to get a non-tech company to hire me despite trying several times.

>get a job with ZOG
>get security clearance
>???
>profit
it's literally that easy

>>105791921
Every FAANG I've applied to kept my resume and calls me once every few years because of it so I can complete another round of the humiliation ritual with them without them hiring me.

>>105791921
Some recruiter got my resume like 10 years ago and I got my current job via him a month ago. I imagine if you do exceptionally well in your interview but get beat out by a world expert they might bother to note on your file that you're worth calling back at some point but it certainly isn't worth holding your breath about.

>>105793386
Pick something you're interested in and try to build a portfolio. Even embedded is relatively easy to learn the ropes of these days (t. 10+ yrs embedded dev.) If you do go embedded, I'm pretty happy with ST's discovery boards. They have broad support from a number of languages.

You do work as a Software Engineer right? You werent replaced by AI/Pajeets, right?

>>105802201
Really? I have applies to 4 and never got a call back despite previous fagman exp

>>105802247
why do underaged kids like you meme about muh portfolio so much? got that from reddit?

>>105802262
>You do work as a Software Engineer right?
my iq is >100 so no

>>105802262
Kek code monkeys will be the first to be replaced by AI, it's already very good at it

>>105802190
but i like weed and hate zog

>>105802310
We’ve all lived the nightmare. A new developer shows up at work, and you try to be welcoming, but he can’t seem to get up to speed; the questions he asks reveal basic ignorance; and his work, when it finally emerges, is so kludgey that it ultimately must be rewritten from scratch by more competent people. And yet his interviewers—and/or the HR department, if your company has been infested by that bureaucratic parasite—swear that they only hire above-average/A-level/top-1% people.

It’s a big problem, especially now. There’s a boom on. I get harassing emails from recruiters every day. Everyone’s desperate to hire developers…but developers are not fungible. A great coder can easily be 50 times more productive than a mediocre one, while bad ones ultimately have negative productivity. Hiring one is a terrible mistake for any organization; for a startup, it can be a catastrophic company-killer. So how can it happen so often?

Like many of the hangovers that haunt modern software engineering, this is ultimately mostly Microsoft’s fault. Back when they were the evil empire where everyone secretly wanted to work, they were famous for their “brain-teaser” interview questions – Why are manhole covers round? – and, of course, they asked new university graduates about computer science theory; “Write me a binary search.”

Let me offer a humble proposal: don’t interview anyone who hasn’t accomplished anything. Ever. Certificates and degrees are not accomplishments; I mean real-world projects with real-world users. There is no excuse for software developers who don’t have a site, app, or service they can point to and say, “I did this, all by myself!” in a world where Google App Engine and Amazon Web Services have free service tiers, and it costs all of $25 to register as an Android developer and publish an app on the Android Market.

>>105802431
Of course the retarded child is a chatgpt nigger as well.

>>105802475
Oh it's real son. That text is real, written by a real human.

>>105796505
lol they don't let one guy write the comm protocol, idiot.

>>105796510
any examples?

spies aren't here to build backdoors into your iPhone or whatever. That has never happened. They steal the tech and send it back home

>>105802571
i'd wager the spy gets data from the backdoors the companies willingly implement themselves for advertising data and shit

Think I'll just do Odin project and start applying after I have a few projects under my belt

>>105801421
no we don't, the pandemic ruined everything. everything is price gouged to fuck and will never fall back down and it let governments literally ban freedom of assembly/association/speech

Maybe if you guys just studied harder, you would get jobs. I mean, you at least did go to a top 10 CS school right? If not, don't even bother thinking of getting into tech.

Reminder that it is entirely your fault and your fault based on the decisions you yourself made that you are unemployed and undesirable.

You are unemployed because you are not good enough, it's just that simple.

The final readpill is realizing you can do meaningful work while still on NEETbux

>>105802723
>>105802713
>>105802659
>slave gloating he works harder than his masters
Dance for me, monkey. Those gibs won't pay themselves.

>>105802758
How do you get on neetbux if you aren't a fag

>>105802262
im a pajeet who got replaced by AI

>>105802761
Get a job you pathetic trash.

If you can't even prove yourselves to be a better dev than some shiteating pajeet, then it is unironically over for you.

>>105795761
>furry hentai pic

>>105802880
I have a job, child

>>105802878
Why do so many of (((your people))) so focused on pushing everyone else out of the way just so they alone can be rich, do they not have any other goals in life? Are they perpetually undercutting the market just to get ahead because that's the only thing their shithole nation has taught them to do?

Reminder that you are unemployed because you're not good enough.

>>105791655
You also need marketing budget of millions of dollars to get any exposure. The app space is dominated by big companies now.

>>105793523
>food is so cheap

This hasn't been true for a long time.

> renewable energy is cheap and effective

This was never true. Renewable energy is heavily subsidized. It never pays for itself. The exceptions are hydroelectric and geothermal, but environmentalists are against those.

>low-end "luxury" goods like cigarettes and cellphones are trivially cheap
Those are available even in 3rd world countries. They don't improve quality of life that much.

>>105802659
>>105802713
>>105802723
>there are state level demoralization shills in /utwg/
Makes me feel a little hopeful

>>105802318
Whats your job, neet?

>>105802320
We are AI tardwranglers but t b h AI cant do it by itself it needs a senior swe

>>105802956
Dont hate the player hate the game

>>105805033
There would be no game without players, how come even after getting the short end of the stick you find the strenght to defend the rats of the rat race, are your "people" truly that deluded and money loving?.

>>105802659
The top 10 CS schools are a meme. A 4 year degree is a meme. It's all about leetcode and your interview skills, and then you land a $100k+ per year job at FAANG or fortune 500.

>>105805076
If those 4 years I was just grinding leetcode I would trade it for my meme degree.

>>105802659
I went to a top 10 school and am currently unemployed because I was laid off in February. I am surprisingly getting interviews, but no one is seriously hiring. It's just circus bullshit where the interviewer eventually decides to fail me for no reason.

>>105805237
I'm not kidding by the way. My last interview I was being grilled on my past experience, and the hiring manager decided to autistically latch onto something I said as if it were a gotcha even though I explained I wasn't familiar with that part of the system.

>>105802713
>>105802723
This is actually true for me. If I applied myself I would have senior level experience by now and be beyond most of these problems, but I dawdled and dawdled.

Reminder that there are high school graduates who can now run circles around you as a swe

>>105805545
Sure, there are also 12 year olds who can kick my ass. Comparing yourself to the best, even of a younger age group, is silly.

>>105805584
So why would I ever hire someone like you then? Give up and go to a different industry. We need people in retail.

>>105805594
Because the best wants nothing to do with your garbage company.
>implying you even work in the industry

>>105791554 (OP)
unemployed tech workers look like that?

>>105805246
I think going to a top school makes you more prone to people trying to outsmart you in interviews, especially with an industry so ego-prone as tech. You'll be fine thoughbeit. With your degree you can probably move to anywhere in the world and get a job, are you planning on staying where you are?

>>105805594
if the industry didn't want incompetent apes it wouldn't be full of jeets

>mfw my entire existence was to debug code
will I ever get paid for it?

>>105805613
And you will be begging on your knees to get hired by my "garbage" company once you realize you're literally undesirable in this industry.
>>105805682
And those jeets still perform and run circles around faggots like you.

>>105791915
Small company? Enjoy your low 100k salary

>>105805743
>And those jeets still perform and run circles around faggots like you.
Lol, theres no way the same jeet that built the failing society that is India today is smart enough to make good code. Being good at memorizing whatever is the reason they are hired, nothing else.

>>105805743
>And you will be begging on your knees to get hired by my "garbage" company
What does that have to do with the fact the best wants nothing to do with you? You asked "Why should I hire someone like you?" after talking about the best in the world, pretending that they'd want anything to do with you.
From the sounds of it you're a bit of a retard so I'm guessing you're indian.

>>105805792
The reason they're hired is nepotism, slave labour, and to racially replace Whites in one of the last White dominated industries. None of those have to do with their (low) skill of course.

I'm going to become a professional NEET
>>105791554 (OP)
Aespa lost

All these retards getting baited by a singular poster. No wonder why you're all unemployed.

Suppose I placed well in a civil service exam (in my 3rd world country) for a tech specialty job position and it's very likely I will get the job. Now suppose I have 0 skills, no personal projects beyond the simplest python scripts and 0 experience working in the tech area, actually any area at all since I'm a useless NEET.
Pic related is the job description, I have never done any of that, and more importantly I can't even imagine a sperg like me becoming a functional employee. Considering what you have seen working in tech, how hard would it be for someone like me to actually fit in the job within a reasonable time frame? Maybe AIslop can save me?

tl;dr NEET will likely will land a tech job without any soft/hard skills or experience, help

>>105805908
Calling you out for being retarded isn't falling for bait, it's calling you retarded.

>even most of the factory jobs I see demand experience
>there are an oddly low number of factory jobs to begin with
It's unironically over.

everyone here says pajeets are stealing their jobs, meanwhile me a pajeet struggling to get an entry level job.

>>105806033
This is because you didn't speak with your cousins about it, make a few calls and you'll get hired by a family friend soong enough.

>>105805759
they have a pay range already set its 125-155k

>>105806033
That's because pajeets (s, plural) are doing it, not pajeet (singlular). There are millions of you.

>>105802571
>>105796510
>>105796485
Why y'all acting like Israel/USA aren't backdooring all Intel processors?

the Big Beautiful Bill will fix it

Just got an job as junior systems engineer. I will be starting soon. What can I expect?

>>105807525
>got a junior job
I don't believe you.

>>105807796
I’m not American. It’s bad here (Europe), just not as bad as over there, I think.
Took me like 5 months fresh of a master’s to find something. Could’ve probably landed something worse like 1-2 months earlier.

>>105791554 (OP)
Damn who’s this baddie op?

>>105793814
blue eyes are inferior

>>105805883
what did they lose

whats your preferred soduku method

>>105791586
>>105791636
Is it really? I'm a top 5% programmer yet I don't think I could land a job, 15 years experience, many books read, a lot of written software...

I have a few repos with 100+ stars but that's it. No college degree, no professional experience. Should I even try?

>>105808762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSH8wRd410U

>>105808810
>15 years experience
>no professional experience
wat

>>105808919
years of hobby dev with years of informal freelancing to some friends

>>105808919
>>105808934
And lots of open source

>>105808832
not watching that slop

>>105808934
Yeah people don't really consider that experience. They're going to see no education and no professional experience and bin it. The only way they don't is if you have a successful website/app or know some people who get you to the interview.

>>105808919
timmy thinks anything but on-the-job work (and not internships either) counts as experience. Just point and laugh.

>>105798610
>No tech internships
>Industrial engineering and a minor in EE
>27

Listen to me this is not a joke and if you think it is you're going to look back on this post moments before shooting yourself five years from now after never holding a job outside of college.

You're FUCKED and genuinely your only hope is to devote yourself to learning PLCs immediately and becoming an I&C engineer. It's not too late to save yourself!

You could also look into MEP but that sounds like reading a lot of electrical code books and devoting the rest of your life to touching autodesk products and I assume you don't want to do that

>>105798655
FOOL

what do you do for money

why didn't you just become a comfy doctor or civil engineer

>>105795445
yep

>>105808632
>t. poop eyes

>>105791655
>NOOOO YOU CANT JUST

How do I get a job?

>>105809388
CEs earn about the same as burger dlippers here and doctors lose independance over their own health (same as military). Covid made that an even more important deal breaker.

>>105809819
sure bro

>>105809787
why do you want one?

>>105809916
Brain problems?

>>105810004
>>105810004
>>105810004
Migrate sisters