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Previous thread: >>105775807

Can I use a .bashrc generator site to make a .zshrc prompt, or are they not cross compatible like that?

>>105795640
https://zsh-prompt-generator.site/

Which distro and desktop environment has the most arousing mascot?

>>105795739

Why is "google-chrome" an enabled repo on Fedora? Was it added when I installed Brave? I don't see why else it's there or is enabled by default?

>>105795821
It isnt enabled by default.

>>105795862
>>105795821
Figured it out, it's from enabling third party repos when you first install Fedora. Apparently google-chrome is one of those repos. Although it's weird, when searching for Chrome in Discover I only get the option to install it as a flatpak from Flathub. So what's the point of the repo? Can you only install from the repo through the terminal maybe?

>>105795895
>Can you only install from the repo through the terminal maybe?
try
dnf search google-chrome
if you want to poke and see if thats the case. Search doesnt require sudo.
I've got no clue about how the package manager front ends work, i avoid them

>>105795937
It lists 4 versions (stable, unstable, canary and beta) so presumably just Discover not picking it up for whatever reason. I'm going to disable it now

I can't figure out how to set up my VPN i think I need to get into network and do something but it's way different from windows

Anyone here use the flatpak version of Firefox? Is it generally usable? Any gotchas? I remember it being criticised for how flatpak breaks browser sandboxing.

>>105796555
>flatpak breaks browser sandboxing.
This is only true for chromium browsers and highly discouraged. It's actually the opposite for Firefox, flatpak sandboxing makes it more secure.

>>105796748
>>105796555
When people say "it breaks sandboxing" they usually don't know what they're talking about. What they actually mean is it breaks running SETUID root binaries (good, these could have vulnerabilities that provide a nice privilege escalation vulnerability) and prevents nested namespaces/containers and seccomp policies (also good, Flatpak is the one that is supposed to be in charge of this and allowing applications to fuck about with it can again lead to unwanted privileges).

It is just a difference in perspective. Flatpak says that it should be the one to provide the sandbox not individual applications. There is still a sandbox, you're not browsing the Internet naked without one. It's just that Chromium's sandbox is replaced with a Flatpak friendly one.
https://github.com/flathub/org.chromium.Chromium/blob/master/patches/chromium/flatpak-Add-initial-sandbox-support.patch

How to create virtual display/monitor to make it work with sunshine without having to use ghost plugs?
On KDE with wayland.

Is there anything to listen to music from youtube?
And not web browser?

>>105797470
this is not the thread to ask that buddy

>>105797470
>>105797560 (me)
My bad, ditch what I said, try youtube-dl

>>105797567
>youtube-dl
You're 100% Indian AI bot (uninformed human pajeet).

>>105797470
mps-youtube is something I used to use years ago, no idea if it still works

>>105795412 (OP)
Holy shit, when are we outlawing Windows? I've been thinking about moving to Linux, so I've been testing on...a Raspberry Pi4. Yep. You guys told me KDE Plasma was bloated, and yet it's running fine on this 1.5Ghz CPU with just 4GB of RAM, NOT TO MENTION it's bloody ARM. Also, it's absolutely amazing that Linux has got drivers for everything too and they JUST WORK. On Windows, I cannot for the life of me get my art tablet's pressure sensitivity to work with GIMP, yet it's plug-and-play here on a fresh install of Rasbian Lite + KDE. I HATE WINDOWS!!!

>>105797470
FreeTube
NewPipe
Look around Flathub

>>105797676
I tried it.
It's kill now.
I'd prefer something TUI if it's possible but not really a deal breaker.

>>105797736
I test those, all are about youtube not music.
I want something like spotify but uses youtube music.

>>105797746
Idk check Flathub or your repo, I don't think F-droid has that many options

>latest Windows 10 CU broke disk flashing utilities
KEK they're fucking afraid of 10fags switching to Linux.

>>105797741
Well that's a shame. It was great for low power CPUs that couldn't run youtube... but these days processing power isn't that limited. Isn't this a TUI though?

>>105797746
https://flathub.org/apps/org.kde.audiotube

>>105797780
Yes, I used it for a while before they kill it.
Was godsend the TUI worked over SSH so I could control everything from my phone.
>>105797781
>KDE
Based krash devs
Will try it, I'm using KDE anyway.

So I just ran rsync and the destination directory is like 10GiB heavier (like 167GiB compared 157 origin) whats up with that? I thought they should be identical.

>>105797823
sparse files? links that were not handled as links?

>>105797853
Idk Im retarded, how do I handle this and not loose my back up? Something like diff command?

>>105797930
to briefly explain them, a "sparse file" is a file which contains parts which are accounted as being space in a file, but not recorded on disc. this is a bit obtuse, but like, imagine you have a 1G file, and you want to make it 2G, but the added 1G would just be a bunch of zeros. wouldn't it be nice if you could just tell the filesystem, hey, i want to make this bigger, but don't bother physically writing "nothing" for that part, just mark it as 2G and return zeros if something reads from there, ok? that's what sparse segments do. it's functionally the same as a 2G file, as you write to it and use that space, it will act the same as any other file, only the actual physical disc usage may be lower than the file size, as the sparse parts (zeros) are not counted towards disc usage
this is often used for things like virtual machine disc images. it also makes making large files like that really quick. like making a 100G sparse vm image is basically instant, while making a 100G regular file means writing 100G (of zeros)

as for links, the same file may be for example hard linked in multiple places. if you copy them without replicating their link status, you may end up with multiple regular copies of the file instead, multiplying their space used

>>105797980
>>105797930
also should note that rsync has options to handle these, but you do have to ask for it. could also be something else

>>105797980
Thanks

>>105797983
I turned it off now but I believe the file count was different too

>>105797823
Are you using the --delete option for rsync?

I think I'm just stupid.
My computer is connected to my TV with HDMI and have 3.5 audio output as well.
The audio can be either set to go through the TV or through the 3.5mm audio output.
Is there a way to make it output audio through both at the same time?
Or select certain applications to go through the 3.5mm audio?

What do you use as weather widget for KDE wayland?
conky or something else?

is UX fake and gay? who the fuck does ux research? humans are random, not all the same, psychology is different for everyone

>>105798065
I will have to check but I think not

>>105798231
Without that option rsync won't remove files that have been deleted in the source directory from the destination

>>105798271
Mind blown, thats probably it

non wlroot / sway wayland fake brightness

is there such a thing? useful for laptops

real brightness is max but can be somewhat lowered with gamma or something

>>105797690
use kde3

What drop down terminal do you use with wayland?

>>105797781
Interesting, I would have thought such an app might get KDE in legal trouble. Anyway I just tried it, but it seems to use quite a lot of CPU on my machine.

>>105798627
isn't that the cuck artist

>>105797741
there was a perl script called pipe-viewer i think
theres also a bash script that uses fzf but i dont remember the name
usually they open the link in mpv with video but you can probably change something to have it audio-only

>>105798750
>theres also a bash script that uses fzf but i dont remember the name
No longer work.
youtube is really killing all third party applications.

On KDE wayland, thankfully.
What's the best way to capture screen and not use ffmpg?

>>105798763
does pipe-viewer still work?

>>105798769
OBS if you want a lot of fine control and greater quality, spectacle if you want something that integrates well with KDE

>>105798689
>the cuck artist
That really doesn't narrow it down.

>>105799129
>spectacle
it can record video?

>>105799284
Yeah. Webm or mp4, if you're using an amd card I highly recommend mp4 since it doesn't seem to handle webm well.

How do I make linux audios sound better
Pic related

So can someone explain why the search on KDE (Fedora) is stupid? So if I search "about" then "about this system" shows up first but if I press enter 1 second too late then the search has been updated so now "Welcome Centre" is the top result and gets opened. I've noticed this happens with other searches too. My keyword initially finds what I'm looking for but the search updates and if I'm not quick enough then it opens something else.

I like the way oh my zsh behaves but I don't want all the bloat that comes with it. For instance I like the tab behavior and how I can select what auto-complete I want with the arrow keys, I like typing "half" of a command and pressing arrow up to go through the possibilities from the past. How do I setup basic zsh (or even bash) to be that way?

>>105800038
heh so I don't use KDE, but just upgraded to freebsd 14.3 and cinnamon is borken there...

anyways I noticed this too, wtf is this bullshit. whatever you search for it pops up first then some random shit gets on top instead

anyways back to gentoo

When I edit C code in nano, I feel like such a hacker holy shit it is awesome

>>105800038
so I've used KDE before I can't remember it was like this.. anyways this is the version in freebsd

>>105800253
>>105800217
It seems like the search will search through the system settings first and a second later go through the applications and applications will take precedent over system settings and always at the top.

>>105800038
>install KDE
>accidentally install a package group
>HolyShitThisIsALotOfBloat.jpg
>use it for some time
>experience is similar to being on Windows
Why do people use this? I'm guessing because you can "rice" it?

>>105795412 (OP)
I've been investigating for almost a month now and I'm at a loss.
Windows doesn't want me to use their newest OS, as apparently my CPU is too old for them. Obviously, this is nonsense cause my machine uses a Ryzen 5 3600. At first, I thought that Fedora was the best distro for my needs (primarly gaming, some coding and chatting with friends on Discord), then I learn the differences about X11 and Wayland and the lack of support for the former in Fedora and similars. This made me worried, cause I heard a lot of bad things about Wayland, that even XWayland doesn't support, like keyboard shortcuts. Also, I use Parsec quite heavily, as a mean to play with my friends on the same computer, which is impossible, as far as I know, on (X)Wayland.
My question is: What can I do? Should I go into Fedora / Nobara and install X11, or should I use a distro that support X11 natively. Or maybe I can work it out with XWayland.
I also heard about xLibre, but I don't know if it's gonna work on Fedora, as they don't seem to like it. But then I also heard that one of the key aspects of Linux is that you own your software, so technically, I should be able to install xLibre.
As you can see, I'm quite lost, so any help would be appreciated.

>>105800303
well it sucks (again not a kde user, was forced to there)

hmm in gentoo (granted in NON kde repo) is at 6.3.5. is very annoying I have so much kde shit installed here regardless

>>105799829
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Changing_the_default_sample_rate

>>105800330
While you can install everything you want, it's a pain in the ass if you don't know what you're doing so just do yourself a favor and don't.
As for X11 vs. Wayland, this is a controversial topic and lots of bad things you heard about wayland are just outdated/wrong. Like, of course you can have keyboard shortcuts with it. The things x11 can do that wayland can't are things you won't miss since windows can't do them either.
I dunno shit about parsec so can't comment on that.

would anybody recommend openSUSE tumbleweed? i had manjaro from 2017-2020 but went back to windows the past 5 years. I want to get back to linux. I had some trouble with manjaro and it sounds like tumbleweed is a little more stable

>>105800307
seriously the application menu shit is crucial. the kde one fucking sucks.. and yes I haven't used windows in years... I know is bad.. do they all use wofi/rofi or what?

>>105800540
don't go to manjaro rn is been breaking all year..

>>105800422
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that without having the focus on the program, keyboard shortcuts won't work because of the security protocols that Wayland uses.
For example: If I have Discord on the background, while playing a game, and I want to mute the mic, I can simply press a key (or keys) and it will mute the mic in W10.

I tried to dual boot Linux and Windows, installed in that order on different drives and after removing the drive with the Windows I still had the Windows startup and even the path to start it but obviously couldn't. How is that possible? Is my Linux drive corrupted now?

>>105800707
Wayland compositors have solved this problem (maybe not all of them)
I could define global hotkeys if I wanted in mine (but I currently have no need for it)

>>105800716
If you want to nuke Wangblows make a new EFI partition on your Linux drive and install it with Grub, keeping in mind that some EFI shit is also stored in BIOS
Don't worry, Wangblows can't touch your Linux.

>>105800765
>Wangblows can't touch your Linux
Are you sure about that? It's encrypted but at this point I'm doubting everything if something like that is possible.

>>105800716
no prolly not, when you boot you can there is some keycombo always that lets you enter the efi boot manager then you can select which one too boot

boot your linux and either do an update-grub or whatever(depends on distro) or use efibootmgr

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Efibootmgr

to just say grub boots, as you know they allow you to boot windows and not vice versa.. tl;dr and update-grub(depending on system) should do the trick

>>105800128
I went down that rabbithole recently. You need zsh-autosuggestions and zsh-syntax-highlighting
Mine looks like this (uses pkgfile for Arch and needs a nerd font)
https://pastecode.io/s/x0kieb87

>>105800819
I meant corrupted in the sense that they got access to it or will if I start it, obviously I can boot it.

>>105800716
is annoying as fuck btw and if you use more obscure systems, you have this, it's not needed in your case. refind is awesome

but that's just if you have open or freebsd or some weird shit

>>105800838
ye you can everything is uefi these days, so I am sure you are fine

it's just annoying that windows sets it self on the top there and give your other operating systems the finger

>>105800838
normally it's f-8 or f-12 it depends on puter, and it's always in your bios to start the uefi manager, so you can select which os to boot

is way comfier today than the fucking mbr shit

>>105800883
I know how to start it, what I asked is if if that part that's left from Windows is used to access the Linux so they can do whatever they want with it.

>>105800867
>it's just annoying that windows sets it self on the top there and give your other operating systems the finger
that is just the windows way

>>105800904
if you mean, omg the glowies are at redmond are doing something to my other partitions, putting hamster porno there or something

no you can't prevent that, but no windows doesn't do shit with your linux partitions, it just takes over the efi boot order

>>105800948
>but no windows doesn't do shit with your linux partitions
How can I be sure about that, they want to have complete control over their users. Or someone might have "coincidentally" managed to hack it to do something like that?

>>105800716
>boot question
>no boot mode mentioned
>>105796097
Ain't Windows networking weirder?

I uninstalled hyprland earlier using pacman -R hyprland but there's still a bunch of hyprland related shit like hyprcursor left orphaned or whatever
How should I have run pacman so it deleted this useless extra shit by default

why the fuck are yall complaining so much about gayland, it just werks man, never felt my puters so fast plus it's not like X11 is going to be dropped anytime soon

>>105801302
You could list all orphans and remove those, but make sure you really don't need them.

>>105800980
you can't once you boot in there is nothing that prevents "them" from doing nasty stuff

than you have to encrypt

anyways when we're talking about htis, is there anyway to in virtualbox boot your freebsd partion?

I know you can do it with mbr, but is it possible with a partition to boot into freebsd with old regular efi? which vbox will not get access to?

>>105801347
I'm kinda disappointed that pacman doesn't just fucking remove them by default
Why would a typical user want to retain orphaned crap
Most of us prefer a clean system
Really thought pacman was /ourguy/

>>105801345
Nigger, because it's actually started randomly locking up
So now I'm going to give sway a chance

>>105801384
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Removing_packages

>>105801384
have you tried -Ru?

how do you do it guys efi virtualbox?

how can you make virtualbox use efi?

>>105801448

>>105801405
I tried it but it doesn't appear to remove much more than -R
-Rs actually removes the shit I don't need

>>105801349
How does encrypting help if you login anyway?

>>105801384
pacman -Rs

>>105796097
just use tailscale

>>105798073
disable automute on alsamixer

this is the output of sudo btrfs filesystem usage /home/


Overall:
Device size: 237.47GiB
Device allocated: 82.07GiB
Device unallocated: 155.40GiB
Device missing: 0.00B
Device slack: 0.00B
Used: 74.63GiB
Free (estimated): 159.11GiB (min: 81.41GiB)
Free (statfs, df): 159.11GiB
Data ratio: 1.00
Metadata ratio: 2.00
Global reserve: 85.64MiB (used: 0.00B)
Multiple profiles: no

Data,single: Size:78.01GiB, Used:74.30GiB (95.25%)
/dev/nvme0n1p2 78.01GiB

Metadata,DUP: Size:2.00GiB, Used:168.83MiB (8.24%)
/dev/nvme0n1p2 4.00GiB

System,DUP: Size:32.00MiB, Used:16.00KiB (0.05%)
/dev/nvme0n1p2 64.00MiB

Unallocated:
/dev/nvme0n1p2 155.40GiB



Confused about the "unallocated" space, I tried doing
sudo btrfs filesystem resize max /home

and
sudo btrfs filesystem resize max /

neither one seems to have made a difference

1/2

>>105802057
this is the output of df -HBM

Filesystem 1M-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
dev 3810M 0M 3810M 0% /dev
run 3822M 2M 3821M 1% /run
efivarfs 1M 1M 1M 33% /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
/dev/nvme0n1p2 243172M 76511M 162926M 32% /
tmpfs 3822M 1M 3821M 1% /dev/shm
tmpfs 1M 0M 1M 0% /run/credentials/systemd-journald.service
tmpfs 1M 0M 1M 0% /run/credentials/systemd-resolved.service
tmpfs 1M 0M 1M 0% /run/credentials/systemd-networkd.service
tmpfs 3822M 1M 3822M 1% /tmp
/dev/nvme0n1p2 243172M 76511M 162926M 32% /home
/dev/nvme0n1p2 243172M 76511M 162926M 32% /var/cache/pacman/pkg
/dev/nvme0n1p2 243172M 76511M 162926M 32% /var/log
/dev/nvme0n1p1 1022M 175M 848M 18% /boot
tmpfs 1M 0M 1M 0% /run/credentials/getty@tty1.service
tmpfs 765M 1M 765M 1% /run/user/1000


I basically just want to know if some space on my m.2 is unavailable to me

>>105802057
isnt "unallocated" something similar to "free" in this context? unallocated - free = reserved space

>>105802086
idk, I always thought the "Available" value on df -HBM meant that amount was what I could use.
btrfs has to change it up to be confusing.

Claude actually gave a good explanation. I didn't know btrfs just "wakes up" more space as it needs it. No one ever bothered explaining that to me before.

In Btrfs, "Unallocated" refers to raw disk space that hasn't been assigned to any specific storage pool (data, metadata, or system). This is different from "free space" within those pools.
Here's what's happening with your filesystem:
Btrfs uses a two-level allocation system:

Device level: Raw disk space is allocated into chunks for different purposes
Filesystem level: Within those chunks, space is used for actual files/metadata

Your current situation:

Device size: 237.47GiB (total disk)
Device allocated: 82.07GiB (space assigned to chunks)

Data chunks: 78.01GiB
Metadata chunks: 4.00GiB (2GiB×2 for DUP)
System chunks: 64MiB (32MiB×2 for DUP)


Device unallocated: 155.40GiB (raw space not assigned to any chunk type)

The key insight: Your data chunks are 95.25% full, but there's still 155.40GiB of unallocated space that Btrfs could use to create new chunks when needed.
You don't actually need to do anything - Btrfs will automatically allocate new chunks from the unallocated space as you add more files. The "Free (estimated): 159.11GiB" already accounts for this unallocated space.
However, if you want to pre-allocate more space (which is rarely necessary), you could run:
bashsudo btrfs balance start -dusage=95 /
This would rebalance and potentially allocate more chunks, but it's typically unnecessary since Btrfs manages this automatically.

>>105800546
krunner. Just a keypress and then enter whatever you want. Application menus are for boomers.

>>105800307
>>105800546
What else do you possibly want or need?
Gnome is unironcally Win 8 tier.

>>105800307
It's easy to configure and comes with a lot of nice software included compared to GNOME which is just bundled with a bunch of trash. Besides, it's not like you need to install the whole package, you can just get plasma-desktop and then install whatever you want from there.

Why doesnt this shit actually work?
>log in to Google to use Drive
>can not access
>search online
>apparently deprecated and not supported anymore by Google
>still in there
Someone post a solution, I am mad

>>105802454
>GNOME
ngmi, sorry pal

>>105800823
pkgfile is a plugin? I'm on debian. Will take a look

how do i check if rtkit is setting priority for a process

>nearly 2026
>GNOME still doesn't support fractional scaling
>GNOME still doesn't support proper adaptive sync
OK

Tor doesn't work on my machine :(

>>105802765
>fractional scaling
I thought it was the first one to get that once wayland supported it.

>>105799267
Had to look it up, he goes by mamimi and mainly did some crazy Komi-san art. I thought he did more but it's hard to find much now

>>105802765
>it supports both if you are not a tourist

>>105803141
That was probably KDE, but it was mad hacky until recently and it's still hidden behind dbus settings in GNOME afaik.

been using debian and arch for 2 years now and have no complaints

the only thing i miss from windows is middle click scrolling for browsers
anyone know how to make it work like it does on windows or is it impossible?

>>105800716
windows put it's bootloader on the linux drive, because you left them both in the computer.
windows is an asshole like that

>>105803356

>>105803478
im on firefox

>>105795412 (OP)
I know this is a niche issue but recently I started playing an old version of Minecraft (which uses Java 8 to run) and it creates .java and .minecraft directories in my home. I tried using export _JAVA_OPTIONS=-Djava.util.prefs.userRoot="$XDG_CONFIG_HOME"/java in my zsh config but it doesn't work. Anything else I could try? I try to keep my home directory clean.
>>105802454
You don't need that. Closed, wont fix! banned for racism.
>>105803532
That's for Firefox, Anon-kun.

>>105803574
how do i open that page on firefox anon samasama
sry im noob

>>105803432
>>105803432
>>105803432

>105803601
>p-please look at my troll thread
No. No (You) for you either.

Are there any new oldschool looking icon themes lately?
I'm not interested in any clones of old windows/mac icons. Maybe clones of old linux icons, or preferably just something new which has the same look as older icon themes.

>>105803585
Type "about:config" in your address bar.

>>105803657
thanks it works niggie

>>105797690
i use my raspberry pi 4 8gb for everything, some websites are sluggish but its the only system i have where i actually feel in control, no sneaky updates, no expensive repairs. i have a raspberry pi 5 as well but i think the rpi4 is good enough for daily driving

>>105797776
>Windows 10 CU broke disk flashing utilities
story?

>>105798211
good design is universal, UX has its merit, but there's a lack of authorities to prescribe on the subject. like with software "engineers", its not a protected title and so you see a lot of poor work being under no name experts because of title inflation. for every John Ive, there's a million "fake it till you make it" designers who have no skill producing shoddy work

fresh arch install.
only crashed everything once hehe.

>>105800225
what's in your .nanorc?
set atblanks
set autoindent
set breaklonglines
set jumpyscrolling
set linenumbers
set nohelp
set guidestripe 80
set indicator
set linenumbers
set softwrap
set tabsize 4
set tabstospaces
set trimblanks

>>105803736
Web browsing is completely sluggish for me on a Pi4. I don't think the issue is the RAM but the clock speed.

>>105802454
Google RClone and use that instead of GNOME Online Accounts shit.

How do you respond without sounding mad?

>>105802545
Check in Htop

>>105795412 (OP)
idk if asking this question is banned here but i need help choosing a distro

ive already seen the flowchart and it doesn't help much

I'm stuck between opensuse and fedora, I hate them both equally but opensuse is slightly less organized than fedora, but fedora is more corporate. I've thought about escaping this dilema by just installing viod or arch, but i really don't want to ever have to manually debug a conflict from an update or have to go through update news on the archive just to avoid my system shitting itself. Is there ever a true seamless linux desktop experience?

>>105804280
>Is there ever a true seamless linux desktop experience?
No. You have to do it yourself if you don't want to be assblasted at some point in the future.
If you want baby mode then probably go with something like Bazzite.

>>105804271
you could just create a launcher script that automatically checks for updates, downloads, installs, deletes the deb, and launches the program instead of dealing with this.


Anyone use those vim browser extensions that allow you to use common vim keybinds to navigate the web? What's your opinion?

>>105804280
every single website, blog, and youtube video on earth tells you to install mint if you want a just-werks distro, how did you get stuck between opensuse and fedora?
i'd even recommend debian stable before either of those two.

>>105804271
yay!

as in yay

>>105804271
Just use the web app instead of this Electron crap

>>105804310
I don't mind doing it myself, what I do mind is putting a fragile OS on a computer that's meant to be a tool and not like a hobby project. "Respects your time" and such

>>105804359
Mint (and other stables like Debian) aren't "just works" desu, if theres a bug in my machine that takes 6 months to 2 years to fix then it's not "just working" imo.

>>105804417
>if theres a bug in my machine that takes 6 months to 2 years to fix then it's not "just working" imo.
have you ever experienced this, personally? genuine question.

>>105804442
Ubuntu on their 22.04 release and using their buggy, shitty, warning infested, annoying ass system and seeing how it was all fixed on the next release comming in like 4 more years, yes I have

>>105804280
I've used fedora since 36 and it has yet to shit itself because of an update, be it a regular software update or updating to a new point release. It requires some set up for the codecs (easy as shit, just copy-paste) and nvidia proprietary drivers (same as the codecs) if applicable, also some tinkering to have power saving features on nvidia if you have a laptop(this was actually annoying because it wasnt in the docs so i had to google for a while) but im not sure if other distros are exempt from this. If you dont have nvidia then you should be good.
With that set up it's been a smooth experience for me.

The only real gotcha has been the sway spin, sway will refuse to start if you have nvidia proprietary drivers unless you use the --unsupported-gpu flag to start it and i had no clue about it so i had to spend some time checking the logs to find out about it

>>105804417
Then you should be fine with something like Arch and using paru to update it. It has a flag to check for news articles so you don't have to go out of your way to do so.

>>105804504
I'm chudding out because i saw this

https://archlinux.org/news/linux-firmware-2025061312fe085f-5-upgrade-requires-manual-intervention/

And thought it was a bit silly that I have to check a newsletter to see why my latest update bricked, or even worse that somehow an update needs to remove the kernel library and reinstall it, i feel like running into these kind of bugs consistently over time would take a toll on me in a way that shouldn't happen when using a pc.

>>105804531
You could just read the pacman output and infer what you had to do. They really only put out this newsletter for retards.

>>105804539
What I mean is that I don't need to read update logs on comercial os's. A problem that I have with windows in particular is that they dont even bother publishing them for me to read them if i wanted to, but I don't think the alternative that I want is being forced to read them everytime or else my pc shits itself. That's why I've been focused on the "stable rolling" releases like fedora (rawhide) and opensuse (tumbleweed), howeverthoughbeit this relates to my first comment

>>105804564
I mean fedora is so corporate they pay their indian employees to spam shill for them on this board daily (see >>105804468) I don't want those soulless indians to get a profit from me no matter how hard they try

>>105804564
So you do have a problem with doing it yourself then.
Just go with Bazzite if you want baby's rolling release and easy rollbacks if something fucks up.

>>105804587
By "do it myself" I mean setting it up, "manually checking the logs to know which fuckass flag i need to add to my update script" is less "doing it myself" and more "babying an os into being functional"

>>105804597
Just don't use an update script and update when you feel like it and read the logs as it goes (there's not usually a lot of output from pacman, most updates go along without any fuss at all so if it is complaining then you can usually spot that and use your brain to know the correct cause of action)

>>105804618
Hm I guess that could work, I have the habit of keeping everything as updated as I can with running updates on my system weekly, if I update whenever I feel like it how likely am i to encounter breakage on Arch? I don't do anything drastic on my pc besides websurfing and writing code, the most intensive thing I do is running windows-only games which i let launchers and the demons handle for me (i don't know how its done in arch)

Trying out bazzite.
I have external drives that have all my steam games installed on them, and normally I just plug and play with windows, but It doesn't seem to work on bazzite.
Additionally, my steam download speed seems way slower than usual

>>105804655
Oh thats so interesting, what os do you normaly use?

>>105804564
Rawhide isnt meant to be used by regular users afaik, you'll be dealing with unstable shit and nobody really wants to deal with that. If you want rolling release then your real options are opensuse and arch. I've heard opensuse is pretty thorough with its testing so its less likely to break stuff but I havent tested it myself.

>>105804650
Almost never. Most breakages come from a rushed package update or something minor (like the linux-firmware split) that you can figure out yourself anyway.
If you leave it too long then the GPG keys may need refreshing (pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring) but besides that you should be good. It's a bit of an exaggeration when people say an Arch system breaks if you don't update it for a long time. You're more likely to encounter unsolvable blockers on say a Gentoo system than Arch (and I say that as someone who daily drives Gentoo myself, although I do still use Arch for other purposes).

The key to running an Arch system is to know your tools and you'll be fine. Take the time to read the Arch wiki articles on Pacman for a bit and don't do retarded shit and you'll be fine.

>>105804271
#!/bin/bash

# Config
TEMP_DEB="/tmp/discord-latest.deb"
DISCORD_URL="https://discord.com/api/download?platform=linux&format=deb"

# Get installed version
installed_ver=$(dpkg-query -W -f='${Version}' discord 2>/dev/null)

# Get latest version from headers (follows redirect)
latest_url=$(curl -sIL -o /dev/null -w '%{url_effective}' "$DISCORD_URL")
latest_ver=$(basename "$latest_url" | grep -oP '([0-9]+\.){2}[0-9]+')

echo "Installed: ${installed_ver:-none}, Latest: $latest_ver"

# Compare versions (assumes format like 0.0.XX)
if [[ "$installed_ver" != "$latest_ver" ]]; then
echo "Updating Discord..."
curl -L "$DISCORD_URL" -o "$TEMP_DEB"
sudo dpkg -i "$TEMP_DEB" || sudo apt -f install -y
rm "$TEMP_DEB"
else
echo "Discord is up to date."
fi

# Launch Discord
(discord >/dev/null 2>&1 &) || (xdg-open /usr/share/applications/discord.desktop &)


run "nano ~/.local/bin/discord-auto.sh"
paste in the script (generate your own with AI if you're paranoid)
save it
make it executable with "chmod +x ~/.local/bin/discord-auto.sh"

>>105804672
Opensuse is genuinely what i'm closest to installing, i've people complain about "slow package manager" and conflicts with gnome (not my problem, probably works great with xfce or kde) but I feel like those kind of things are usually a sympton of a more unattentive approach to programing, and it being backed by a corporation tells me it's not gonna change much.

>>105804655
I think you have to mount the drives first. Is automount installed?

>>105804692
now make a .desktop file for it, so it'll appear in your launcher, start menu, etc.
nano ~/.local/share/applications/discord-auto.desktop
paste this into it:
[Desktop Entry]
Name=Discord (Auto Update)
Exec=/home/yourusername/.local/bin/discord-auto.sh
Icon=discord
Type=Application
Categories=Network;Chat;
StartupNotify=true
Terminal=false

make sure you change username in the path, i don't think the ~ works in desktop files
now make it executable "chmod +x ~/.local/share/applications/discord-auto.desktop"

now you don't have to deal with manually installing and downloading upgrade deb files.

it's the AI era man, you can be a retard and still get solutions like this spoonfed to you. level up, retards.

>>105804655
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3292658482

>>105804691
>GPG keys may need refreshing
I'll be real anon, i feel like some of these things should be handled by the devs. Things like what DE i want should be left up to me to decide, but if up to date keys is an essential component to good work there should be a script that autorefreshes them after a certain time instead of leaving it up to you to make it. Did you get this info from the wiki?

>>105804666
Normally this PC is for gaming so I just use windows but I wanted to try a distro out since people say the gaming is getting better and I would get away from microshit in a second if I could.

>>105804702
i'd change categories to Categories=Internet;

i think that falls in line with most launcher naming conventions better

>>105804724
They are handled by them. This only becomes an issue if you leave the system for months at a time without any updates to the point that the keys have expired (remember: long-lived keys are a security issue if the package signing key were ever to get leaked so they don't do that)

>>105804699
oh yeah. Devices mount just fine and steam even detects previously installed games as expected. Its just that when I try to start them steam says its launching but it crashes with no error messages

>>105804744
What I mean is that, if this is a known issue, somewhere there should be something that fixes it for you, otherwise the workflow would be:
.
>Don't update my system for a long time
>Update
>Probably outdated packages
>Why?
>Dig through documents, maybe the wiki if that info is there
> Ah, keys! (1 hour has passed)
> Update keys
> Update again
> Potential breakage
>Fix regular package breackages like kernels (2 hours have passed)

Or, if you have more than 110 iq:
> Don't update your system for some reason
> (??) Somehow guess your keys might be outdated (or get told about it on 4chan)
> Etc

To me this doesn't feel like an OS experience that respects your time.

>>105804739
What about nobara?

>>105804810
The thing that fixes it is updating your system. They don't do it for you because it's not a very nice thing to update security keys behind your back (this may actually be against various security certifications governments/countries have, etc, it's definitely a big red flag if something does this without telling you)

>>105804907
If that's the case then is it also a problem on other distros? but even still, my point is that arch feels like it's designed for hobying and tinkering and doing challenge runs until your next system wide re-installs more than it feels like using an OS for OS reasons

>try to edit my fstab according to https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/wiki/Using-a-NTFS-disk-with-Linux-and-Windows so that I can actually use my downloaded steam games
>reboot
>"Cannot open access to console, the root account is locked"
I'm a little frustrated

>>105795412 (OP)
Just recently switched to linux and I love it so far, I was wondering if it'll be a problem to use linux in college since everyone else will be using windows and maybe coding software might be different and stuff, any advice?

>>105805148
I don't think so, if some win software is obligatory just fire up a vm

>>105805141
>Looking through various options to see if I can recover access or something instead of reinstalling the OS
>for some reason, in bazzites GRUB menu there are 2 installations that look identical
>boot into the second one
>everything works fine and all my data is there
Well, lesson learned I guess. Never edit fstab
Don't know why there were 2 environments to boot into, don't know why I got advised to try something that could apparently fuck my installation.
Very confused

>>105805247
Nah, edit fstab but always keep a working backup you can restore if you fuck something up. Anyways format that shit to ext4 or btrfs and reinstall the games, even if the guide worked some games will refuse to start

>>105804945
I'm not trying to be rude or anything but I think it's pretty clear you have a lot of premature opinions and beliefs about things you maybe don't actually have a lot of experience with.

>>105805283
probably has premature ejaculations, too. death to all weebs.

anime posting is a solid heuristic. if they post it, you can ignore everything they say.

>>105805269
How would you even go about doing that? If I tried to boot it up I couldn't even find a way to edit my fstab again. I was stuck in a perpetual loop of "press enter to continue to boot." only for the error to repeat itself.
I couldn't even log in without this conveniently placed second enviroment to boot into. Still have no idea why it even exists but I'm thankful.

>>105805247
>>105805141
How does fstab affect the bootloader?
>>105804531
>he doesn't hand pick his blobs from kernel.org
>>105804280
Partition your drive for two linux systems and one shared partition.

>>105805283
>Premature opinion
>Average "my experience with arch" testimony: https://youtu.be/k4NNG7AT0v4?t=179

>>105805296
Ignoring posts because image used unsettles you or something lol

>>105805435
>Partition your drive for two linux systems
Which distros do you suggest? Arch/OpenSUSE?

I learned too late that windows fucking hates having another OS installed on the same drive.

>>105803812
How does a minimal system even crash?
Assuming fresh means you got nothing but "base" installed.
>>105805524
I suggest something "easy" - such as Suse - and when you got it installed, use it for bootstrapping Arch to the other partition. While keeping $HOME among other stuff in the shared partition.
>>105805527
>same drive meme
We use UEFI in the current year, physical drives are meaningless.

>>105800823
>>105802532
Works great bro, thanks a lot

>>105805527
Some of my files are on old windows hdds, it's still a mystery to me why some drives with windows behave well with linux and some dont, especially on separate drives.

>I suggest something "easy" - such as Suse - and when you got it installed, use it for bootstrapping Arch to the other partition.

Sounds reasonable, especially since Arch is a "minimal" install. Will having my home in a third partition separate from each installation cause any problems with updates or installations? I've only seen that mentioned here and haven't really seen anyone explaining their workflow with it.

>>105805435
I don't know, I don't even know what the fstab is. I just tried to follow the instructions as they were listed in the link. Presumably, something went wrong though.

>>105805506
yes, as a matter of fact, getting your opinions secondhand via youtubers just as clueless as you are does make them premature. i've been using arch for years with no breakages, doing exactly what you've been doing, web browsing and coding.

>>105805786
>i've been using arch for years with no breakages
What's your explanation for all the documented "arch breaks constantly" posts there are then? besides everyone somehow being 20 IQ points lower than you.

>mpv uses 10% of the CPU and temperature jumps 20c again
wtf, I had to restart the computer to fix it

>>105804691
>>105804724
>If you leave it too long then the GPG keys may need refreshing
Arch has a scheduled task (systemd timer) to do that, so this doesn't happen. Assuming you haven't disabled/bricked it.

>>105805803
because 99% of the time it's retards who parrot that exact sentiment without ever having used arch in their lives because they heard someone else say it, just like you're doing right now.

>>105805803
If you go by the arch forums, nearly all of the update problems are from partial updates, either because the mirror they use went out of sync or they manually fucked it up at some point.

>>105805844
Ok, then why do arch users say picrel about their installations. There's no reason to lie to make your point, no ones gonna die if you admit what everyone arleady knows about ArchLinux
>>105805849

>>105805849
Yeah true, it still means the system is not stable enough for actual usage, just because all the problems are somehow the users fault doesn't make it an usable OS.

>>105805506
When I was a complete Linux noob and didn't know what I was doing I broke shit too.

>>105805897
>>105805902
I can't help you. You're going to die a midwit with this thick skull of yours. You obviously don't want to learn or experience anything linux related. Just stick to windows.

>>105805902
You can break any system by doing stupid shit you shouldn't, that's not the system's fault. Linux (and even windows) let's you shoot in your own foot.

Also, I have less things to worry about with Arch updates than I have with the ubuntu lts at work.

>>105805897
What is the point you're even making? The top result is "I did something I shouldn't have". I've broken Windows many many MANY times completely to a point where it doesn't boot by doing such things without explicitly intending to break it. Does that mean Windows isn't ready for the average user?

I grant you that Windows is way more locked down and you're not given access to most stuff on the OS as a user so it takes more skill to break it, but not being able to do what you want isn't a good thing. Even if what you want to do is retarded.

>>105805803
-rolling release system is bound to break sooner or later
-Arch users monkey around a lot
Also define "breaking".

>>105805927
Lol, you don't gotta get angry about it, it's just a picture.

>>105805940
>>105805955
>>105805968
Windows is made with guardrails so that you can't simply break it from whats suppoused to be frequent use, can the same be said about Arch? Just because "no guardrails" is part of it's design doesn't mean that it's valuable as the configuration for an OS on it's own, especially when it relates to usability. "Having more access to your OS" might be a benefit if you wanna tinker with it, but not if you want something that works well and can turn your machine into a reliable productivity tool which is what I'm looking for (besides not being tied to indians).

>>105806067
Define tinkering. I've personally tinkered with nothing but the boot process, making it more just-works.
(but that isn't even distribution specific as I've booted a dozen distros with the exact same loader+kernel+firmware (picture relates, that's me removing the bootloader+kernel from the package management))
>>105804655
idk what bazzite is but generally on Linux systems you'd create a directory under /mnt and add it to /etc/fstab. Remember the "nofail" option though, you don't want your boot process to hang case the drive isn't there.

>>105806067
>can the same be said about Arch?
literally yes you dense motherfucker

>>105806067
Yeah arch does have guardrails. That being said, if you want to break it and you learn how to do it, then you can. It's way easier to learn too, because on Windows nobody actually bothers documenting how to fuck shit up.

>>105806108
bazzite is just a fedora based distro with steam and a handful of game comparability tools pre-installed so that stiff just works without needing to tinker with settings much at all

>>105806150
>>105806182
If guardrails then why so high breakage compared to every other major distro.

>>105806212
oh right "arch users monkeying around" o algo, totally unrelated to guardrails O ALGO

>>105806205
Fedora Atomic is basically the future of Linux. Red Hat destroys all competitors, but Fedora is for technical people. That said, Atomic sucks ass when you have "out of scope" needs or quirky hardware that needs hacks to work.

>>105806212
Stop parroting memes and try it yourself. Besides aren't all Linux distributions without guardrails by design?
>>105806205
Oh.

>>105806244
>Besides aren't all Linux distributions without guardrails by design?
Linux distributions allow you for more customization, but theres obviously a difference between debian stable and Arch

>>105806212
>>105806067
arch does not break from "frequent use" i have no idea where you got the idea that it does. if you're using arch for normie shit like using a web browser or a text editor for coding i can guarantee you you're not going to break your arch installation.

>>105806262
If it was only that it'd be no problem but the nature of it being bleeding edge + rolling release is that part of it's frequent use is also updating it and dealing with it's quirks (and conflicts), as well as tinkering with it to get it to do the things you want keeping in mind it's afromentioned quirks.

>>105806276
>>105806258
Can you give any specific examples?
And what does tinkering mean? Does installing software count as tinkering?
>>105806243
>hardware
Just boot up with a better kernel lol

>>105806305
>Can you give any specific examples?
yes see here >>105805897 and here >>105805506

I don't think discussing semantics is gonna get us anywhere, installing a package is not tinkering, reinstalling your kernel (>>105804531) is tinkering, optimizing your boot process (>>105806108) is also tinkering, shrimple as. Reading the github documents to learn that you must rename your calls to "ssd-git" instead of "ssd" somewhere on your systemfiles is also tinkering. None of this is part of the "frequent use" of any comercial software but is an unavoidable part of Arch.

>>105806344
Now, MY question is, is it also an unavoidable part of Linux in general? I think it's not, and thats why I'm asking for a distro suggestion that isn't just "install arch". But if you think it is that's fine, however that point is not reasonable to me because I doubt the linux mint experience is remotely similar to the Arch experience

>>105806305
Can't install a working kernel from the Silverblue installer. Default kernel doesn't boot including the installer kernel.

>>105806344
>unavoidable part of Arch.
then how come I've never done any of those?
Besides maybe optimizing the boot process.

>>105806362
you know what's crazy is that literally all your questions would be answered, and all this pointless back and forth could be put to rest, if you just installed something, ANYTHING, and experienced it for yourself. you are not going to die if you break something. it is not the end of the world if you end up spending more time than you'd like fixing some package dependency issue. in the hours you've spent here in this thread arguing inane points about distros you've literally never even touched, you could have installed one of them yourself and come to your own conclusions.

>>105806392
That's funny but livebooting arch for a few minutes is not gonna tell me if it's gonna break in 3 months, the only surefire way of knowing if a distro works for you is just using it, and that's what I'm trying to avoid, my time is not infinite to waste it on software that I'll never use again if it's too fragile for my tastes.

>>105806391
Maybe you haven't been reading the documentation. From the looks of it it's a 50/50 chance before your system breaks and youre forced to read it anyway.

Arch broke? Just roll back to the last working snapshot
I never had to do that though

>>105806212
There isn't "high breakage" compared to every other major distros. Also I am pretty sure people are less likely to drop arch the second it breaks, the video someone posted about some arch user complaining about stuff breaking (which he did by the way not describe in any detail) is still using Arch.

When I break something on Arch, I can figure out how to fix almost instantly. I even figured out a really nasty hardware problem which I thought might be fault of arch at first. On the other hand, put me in control of an Ubuntu machine and I start getting filtered by basic issues wishing I was using Windows instead.

>>105806344
>Reading the github documents to learn that you must rename your calls to "ssd-git" instead of "ssd" somewhere on your systemfiles is also tinkering. None of this is part of the "frequent use" of any comercial software but is an unavoidable part of Arch.
I can't believe I'm able to use arch without doing this unavoidable part of arch.

>>105806414
your time is too valuable to spend it on learning a valuable skill like linux but apparently not valuable enough to not waste it on shitting up this thread. understood.

>>105806437
>the video someone posted
me
>is still using Arch
that's the point, anon was arguing actual arch users don't break their machines o algo
>Arch user
>Broke 3 times

>When I break something on Arch, I can figure out how to fix almost instantly. I even figured out a really nasty hardware problem which I thought might be fault of arch at first. On the other hand, put me in control of an Ubuntu machine and I start getting filtered by basic issues wishing I was using Windows instead.
This is fine if you take tinkering and debugging as a hobby. I want an OS I don't want to cradle into usability

>I can't believe I'm able to use arch without doing this unavoidable part of arch
1/3

>>105806439
Running arch on an usb will tell me nothing vs having an actual disucssion with arch users yields insights, this is not hard to graps anon

>>105806468
>having an actual disucssion with arch users
you've done nothing but dismiss or cast doubt on everything every arch user has had to say in this thread. quit being such a dishonest prick.

>>105806468
It's not my hobby, that's why I like arch. Because I don't need to "tinker". It just works and when it doesn't it takes me a few minutes to find out why.
In fact, that's why I switched from Windows 11 to Arch in the first place. Because I was tired of tinkering.

>Running arch on an usb will tell me nothing vs having an actual disucssion with arch users yields insights, this is not hard to graps anon
You can't run Arch from an USB. It's a distribution designed to be installed not tried. Unless you mean the CLI only arch experience which, sure enough, you can get from the CD if you want. You'd need to use something like CachyOS or EndeavourOS to get anywhere close to Arch live CD.

>>105806414
>Maybe you haven't been reading the documentation.
Do you even realize how ridiculous it is that you with 0 experience running Arch are trying to tell me with over 10 years of experience with running it how running Arch feels like?
You're either trolling or clinically retarded.

>>105806468
>having an actual disucssion with arch users yields insights
Yet you ignore anything the Arch users say to you. Good riddance

>>105806212
such as?
i've been using arch since 2012 and it doesn't just break on its' own. sometimes /rarely/ you may need to type a couple extra command on an update, but outside of that, you have to be fucking something up yourself for it to 'break'
i've literally had less issues updating/running arch compared to windows at this point. and that's not to say it happens often in windows, either (though i will say that when something goes wrong in windows, it's usually much harder to fix. having used linux for so long now, arch not being my first distro, i find the idea of reinstalling my os for any reason pointless)

posted from my laptop running arch that once went 4 years without updating. while, it recommended to update arch often, even /that/ isn't as big a deal as people make it out to be

>>105806500
Having a discussion and agreeing aren't the same things

>>105806520
For how long have you been using arch, and do you have nvidia hardware?

>>105806521
>Do you even realize...
Some other Anon told me the only reason your Arch might break is if you can't infer your problems from the logs, and the arch archive is only if youre retarded enough to actually need to read it. Reading the docs is clearly an integral part of running Arch, I'm simply repeating what I'm told from the experienced arch users.

>>105806536
> you have to be fucking something up yourself for it to 'break'
What do you mean by this? Like if I'm optimizing my bootloader and "optimize it wrong" o algo does that count as "fucking something up yourself"? I feel like this relates to whether or nor arch has guardrails, which it "does".

>though i will say that when something goes wrong in windows, it's usually much harder to fix.
This is true, arch issues seem to be simply a matter of adding a few parameters on the terminal, or changing names on settings o algo, but I don't know if i want a system that can simply bork for not knowing you're suppoused to add a flag every now and then. On windows you don't have to read the logs, and I'm pretty sure a lot of other distros the need is minimal compared to arch (which is allegedly also minimal).

is anyone familiar with easystroke?

It lets you assign mouse gestures to keyboard shortcuts - e.g. hold right mouse button + swipe left -> alt+f4. Anyway, the latest kde update on arch fucked it up and it's no longer usable, the repo has been abandoned. Is there an alternative?

Easystroke records your gesture so it's not only swipes but you can even do figure 8s and stuff

>>105806609
I do have nvidia hardware. At this point I've used it around 5 months, but I also used it 12 years ago so I had some minor familiarity setting it up (not that it helped much, I still forgot to setup my bootloader - happens every single time, I used gnome last time and BTRFS wasn't a even a viable thing back then). Back then I switched back to Windows to play video games.

>>105806616
https://github.com/tcorreabr/mouse-swipe
This works but it's very bare-bones. Only supports up/down/left/right swipes

>>105806616
man i haven't thought about mouse gesures in a LONG time. first introduced to me with opera, then i used firegestures in firefox, but after that i seemed to have just forgotten about them. i think i used something to do some gestures in windows xp itself, but at this point i'm not even really sure, that'd be over 15 years ago

>Everything is reading the MFT of the NTFS file system to build its database. This is a rather cheap operation, because only a single file must be accessed and parsed. Linux file system (ext4, xfs, btrfs, ...) don't have anything comparable to a MFT, so FSearch has to traverse the whole file system tree to build its database; this is an expensive operation
How come NTFS mogs all Linux filesystems?

Uh oh

Having an issue with steam, my disk usage is stuck at around 30Mbps. It's not a download speed thing, the files have already been downloaded, it's just super slow to write them. The game is installed on a btrfs drive, but outside of steam the disk seems to work just fine, did some testing with dd and I get the expected (much faster) speeds. Is it possible for one app in particular to be write throttled somehow?

Why has no one made Gnome, but with a KDE Taskbar and Application menu.
KDE = ugly
GNOME = unusable on a non touch device
but combined they would break the universe

>>105804280
>Is there ever a true seamless linux desktop experience?
ChromeOS and the Fedora Atomic based images are the closest to this.

>>105807306
Cinnamon

>>105807306
>Why has no one made Gnome, but with a KDE Taskbar and Application menu.
Anon, it's called Cinnamon.

>>105807306
Use case?

Getting tired of my computer becoming unresponsive whenever I do a system update. Things like scrolling in a browser or opening a new terminal for example is impossible for 5-20 seconds at times while it's updating. Swap is disabled, I got plenty of RAM and cpu usage doesn't increase much while updating. Only using SSDs. This has been a problem for years with varying hardware.

My hunch is it's io related because the SSDs are encrypted but everything works fine on Windows. Any experts? :^)

>>105807349
Usable DE

>>105807358
All of the DEs are usable

>>105807306
>use KDE
>50% of all applications are GNOME Themed only
>mish mash of design choices

>use Gnome
>be 2 years behind in tech
>looks beautiful
>all applications follow its theme guidelines
>press application menu
>get thrown back to 2012
>its Windows 8 but worse

>>105807358
As if you could fix the shit that is gnome with a taskbar and application menu.

Crazy how two ordinary English words "use" and "case" mindbroke an entire basket weaving board.

>>105800330
Nobara uses KDE Plasma which still supports X11 and will continue to do so for a while. I'm just not sure if the x11 session is installed by default.

>>105801384
>Why would a typical user want to retain orphaned crap
Arch isn't for "typical" users. It's a distro for tinkerers.

>>105804280
>Is there ever a true seamless linux desktop experience?
Bazzite / Aurora

>>105807306
Budgie and Cinnamon?

>>105807384
>Gnome
>looks beautiful
pick 1
>all applications follow its theme guidelines
only if you use their shitware. most good apps either use Qt or use their own built-in design system.

Does zypper support rpm transactions like dnf?

>>105807315
What's so different about fedora atomic and tumbleweed? why fedora in particular?

>>105804273
you mean by user? only rtkit is run by rtkit user
but in systemctl status it has 3 processes
i _think_ there's a menu in htop that shows "realtime" processes but i cant find it i pressed the button on accident and then tried reading docs but i cant find it
>>105804271
they could just release the version one day before it goes live but nope, not that i use discord
also webapp is more functional since you can do screen capture with voice, incompetent fucks

>>105807510
>Aurora
Looks cool, perhaps a bit too much disingenuous to portray what's basically a fedora clone as something new. What's the difference between this and nobara?

>>105807679
Fedora's atomic variants are immutable, which means that you can't change anything outside of your /home folder and updates update the entire system around your /home folder. Tumbleweed is just another rolling release distro from SUSE.

>>105807679
Fedora's immutable system is the most mature one. Opensuse has its own called MicroOS but the desktop version is in eternal testing.

The Fedora Atomic Distros are all giga based desu.
You just need to know what immutable means. No dnf.
If you end up using rpm-ostree all the time you are doing it wrong

>>105807708
The main difference is that it's atomic, that's it. A few different software pre-installed and kwallet pre-configured for you. So it's just slightly better out of the box and won't shit itself when updating.

what is the equivalent of the 'fedora post-installation steps' for arch linux? i'm a noob who wants a good kde experience, to not use fedora, and also to not have to read the whole arch wiki. so my question is: after i install arch, is there a selection of packages that i need to install in order to have access to all the codecs and stuff that you need to install separately in fedora that everyone usually recommends? (for example: https://github.com/devangshekhawat/Fedora-42-Post-Install-Guide)

>>105804280
>>105804417
If you want a just works distro then I would recommend Debian/Ubuntu/Mint - pick your favourite
>Mint (and other stables like Debian) aren't "just works" desu, if theres a bug in my machine that takes 6 months to 2 years to fix then it's not "just working"
Bugs should get patched. You just won't get new feature releases from the repos until there's a new version of the OS. But if you want the latest version of a piece of software on Debian/Ubuntu/Mint (more recent than what the repos have) there are options: Snaps, Flatpaks, Homebrew, AppImages, etc.

For example, I'm on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS. The version of GIMP i have from the repos is version 2.10.30. But if I wanted a more recent version, I could install the official Flatpak from Flathub, which would give me version 3.0.4.

>>105807889
>think for me
I don't think Arch is for you. ArchWiki is incredibly well laid out. Just read the relevant bits. Arch is not a curated experience.

>>105807982
i've installed arch dozens of times and the installation guide is so dogshit i couldnnt fucking do it with it

>>105807982
The Archwiki is ass.
Every page has a "this section is outdated" lol, LMAO EVEN

>>105805347
cp /etc/fstab ~/Documents/fstab
>If I tried to boot it up I couldn't even find a way to edit my fstab again.
You boot up a live iso, mount everything and cp ~/Documents/fstab /etc/fstab
>conveniently placed second enviroment
I guess it's the recovery mode
>Fedora (and thus Universal Blue systems), do not set a root password during install. Thus, when the emergency or rescue mode is reached, the user is shown the error:
>Cannot open access to console, the root account is locked.

>>105807994
https://endeavouros.com/

>>105807997
>why isn't the world perfect?

>>105808004
i was using arch since before endeavour was a thing i don't use arch now because they can't package shit

>>105807994
youtube is usefull at times, just look for some to the point installation vids and you'll be up and running in no time.

Worthwile Linux Distros 2025 Edition:

Fedora
Debian

Don't even YOU me

>>105807510
>Arch isn't for "typical" users. It's a distro for tinkerers.
The entirety of arch community on /g/ (3 users and a bot) was close to doxxing me for saying this about their distro, didn't know it was such a controversial statement.

>>105807750
>>105807769

I think a lot of immutable distros suffer from getting bloated over time.

>>105807900
>Bugs should get patched
Thoughts on picrel?
I think "stable" releases are not really for me, especially for a modern desktop.

>>105808020
>usefull
you dumb niggered pajeet i have used arch linux for 10 years go slit your throat you fucking monkey abomination

>>105808012
Are you using gentoo now?

>>105808041
i've used gentoo for a few months now i use nixos

>>105807900
>Bugs should get patched
This is not guaranteed at all. That's why a ton of people who use "stable" distros use flatpak. The label of "just works" doesn't really apply to "stable" distros unless you're using them for a server or a low-maintenance secondary machine.

Does systems boot support booting kernels off a separate /boot partition? I've been using /efi for the boot loader and /boot for the kernels.

>>105808121
*systemd boot fuck

>mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified
Anyone know what's causing this error? After restarting my debian server (proxomx VM) I can't mount the shares from my NAS anymore. I know it's not the NAS because I can still mount them on my PC. Systemctl can't find nfs-server or nfs-kernel-server. I tried reinstalling nfs-common but I get this
auth-rpcgss-module.service is a disabled or a static unit not running, not starting it.
nfs-idmapd.service is a disabled or a static unit not running, not starting it.
nfs-utils.service is a disabled or a static unit not running, not starting it.
proc-fs-nfsd.mount is a disabled or a static unit not running, not starting it.
rpc-gssd.service is a disabled or a static unit not running, not starting it.
rpc-svcgssd.service is a disabled or a static unit not running, not starting it.
var-lib-nfs-rpc_pipefs.mount is a disabled or a static unit not running, not starting it.

>>105808128
>>105808121
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2023-May/049110.html
Looks like you can, but both have to be fat32, may as well make it one partition at that point.

>>105808030
>Thoughts on picrel?
Sometimes I get programs hanging and saying they're not responding. Just like on Windows or MacOS to be honest. Anyway, the post I was responding to suggested that it takes 6 months to 2 years to fix bugs if you're on Debian/Ubuntu/Mint. I don't think that's true. Important bugs should get fixed pretty quickly. It's just feature upgrades that you won't get through the repos until the next release of the OS.

>>105808072
I'm on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS and I do have some Flatpaks installed, but not due to bugs. Definitely not. The software I've installed through the Ubuntu repos hasn't been buggy in my experience. It just works.

The reason I have Flatpaks is if a piece of software isn't available in the Ubuntu repos, or if I can get a newer/better-featured version as a Flatpak. E.g. Dolphin emulator, which doesn't seem to be in the Ubuntu 22.04 repos. But even if it was, it would be a much older version than the official Flatpak offers.

Can Btrfs-Assistant not be set up to take snapshots before updating? Seems like that would be the best time to do it, no?

Did the (((indians))) at redhat do this?

>>105808315
>Just like on Windows or MacOS to be honest
I don't think you should pretend these things happen just as much on these two OSs. Especially windows, I don't think Word not responding when you save a file isn't the same as your bluetooth manager shitting itself

>>105808349
yes

What is some fast and minimally featured GUI text editor akin to kate? it's making me want to kms and vscode is cancer and slow

>>105808355
Well anyway, I dunno what that Bluetooth problem is. Shouldn't be difficult to diagnose. My computer is pretty old so I don't even have Bluetooth. Generally my Ubuntu install is stable and bug-free though.

>>105807510
Arch is a normal binary distribution, what's there to tinker with?
>>105808012
What's wrong with Arch's packaging? Other than shit being bloated to hell lmao
>>105807994
The only thing I really needed from the installation guide was the pacstrap command. The rest follows the universal neckbeard way of doing Linux installations:
>have partition
>create filesystem
>mount filesystem to $PLACE
>burp out a Linux system to $PLACE
>make it bootable
>configure some files
>chroot in, install whatever necessary, create user and set password
>???
You can do any distro like that, even Ubuntu.

>>105808411 (checked)
KEK

>>105808455
Not my case unfortunately, their package app store would constantly give me problems, eventually it was easier to just do it the "normal way" through the cli, but then their store would get in the way of things, again, did not feel well designed.

>>105808469
Im ngl anon reading this made me eye roll from cringe a little bit, I hope you don't mind me saying this.

>>105808469
>what's there to tinker with?
Does the distro even have a GUI installer yet?

>>105808554
Yes, it's called EndeavourOS.
>>105808542
But everything was correct, right?

>>105808554
Yes there is, it's badly made tho so your computer starts slowing down from being badly installed, you can also do Endeavour which probably has a GUI installer, but that's essentially just a wrapper that makes decisions for you. Ultimately the only true way to use a computer is to tinker the fuck out of it for a few hours until it works and you feel a (very rare) sense of accomplishment.

>>105808582
>>105808587
So Arch IS a distro for tinkerers after all. It's good that we all agree.

>>105808597
You can tinker with any Linux system.

>>105808597
Yes but what's the alternative? Buggy ubuntu? Debian releases with constant hotdeck patching until the change it in the next version? Waiting for the brahmins at IBM to spoonfeed you their latest experiment to see if it's good enough for other enterprises?

>>105808613
> ...

Anyone uses this?
https://github.com/dockur/windows
I manged to set it up and got it working.
But I can't connect to RDP session.
The VNC session works fine, I can reach internet so networking is working, and even can access shared folders.
I don't mind VNC, but I wanted to get RDP working to get https://github.com/winapps-org/winapps working with it.
Mostly just for MS Office.
I'm just getting this error
[00:33:28:622] [806043:000c4c9c] [WARN][com.freerdp.client.x11] - [load_map_from_xkbfile]: : keycode: 0x08 -> no RDP scancode found
[00:33:28:623] [806043:000c4c9c] [WARN][com.freerdp.client.x11] - [load_map_from_xkbfile]: ZEHA: keycode: 0x5D -> no RDP scancode found
[00:33:29:944] [806043:000c4c9c] [ERROR][com.freerdp.core.transport] - [transport_read_layer]: BIO_read returned a system error 104: Connection reset by peer
[00:33:29:944] [806043:000c4c9c] [ERROR][com.freerdp.core] - [transport_read_layer]: ERRCONNECT_CONNECT_TRANSPORT_FAILED [0x0002000D]
[00:33:29:149] [806043:000c4c9c] [ERROR][com.freerdp.core.transport] - [transport_read_layer]: BIO_read returned a system error 104: Connection reset by peer
[00:33:29:149] [806043:000c4c9c] [ERROR][com.freerdp.core] - [transport_read_layer]: ERRCONNECT_CONNECT_TRANSPORT_FAILED [0x0002000D]
[00:33:29:149] [806043:000c4c9c] [ERROR][com.freerdp.core] - [freerdp_connect]: freerdp_post_connect failed

Since switching to linux, my download speeds are insane. Why is that?

>>105809065
If your wifi card driver happens to be configured by a good dev (and hasn't auto ejected itself) it probably rocks

>>105808032
have you tried youtube? seems you have trouble installing arch. they have easy to follow tutorials, suitable, even for you.

>>105808172
Seems like the issue was the server didn't have access to the shares for some reason. Got it working by deleting one of the shares and making a new one. That somehow gave the server access to all of the other shares again. No idea how that happened.

>>105808440
I use xfw (pic rel, top right)
http://roland65.free.fr/xfe/

SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>105809148
I use ethernet.

How far can I go with zram?
Can I just use 90% of my available RAM as zram swap space?
How much RAM can I "download" before it becomes silly?

>>105808597
I don't even understand what's the point of this retarded discussion. Yes, I suppose you could say Arch is a "tinkering" OS, but that's because it's a DIY distribution (just like Gentoo, Guix, etc.) But why would that be a bad thing? You get to build your system the way you like it, and nobody is forcing you to use it. If you want a """just works""" system, you use something like Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc. The trade off is, if you want to change this or that there might be a "barrier" stopping you from doing so.
>and why would I want to do that?
Because everyone uses their computers differently. Maybe you don't care about X or Y, but another person does. Some people seethe at Arch merely existing, because they don't want to understand other users want to use their computers in a different way. It's like cooking your own food vs buying something from Mcdonalds. One could say "Bro why are you wasting time cooking? you know you could just like get a Royale with cheese already made?? are you stupid?" but I think everyone understands there are cons and pros for both options, but we get to chose one and that's okay.
>inb4 food analogy

>>105809290
>Can I just use 90% of my available RAM as zram swap space?
I would assume you can. You could try it. For most people though it's probably better to set zram to about 50% of your total RAM, or less if you have more RAM.

The trade off of zram, as far as I understand, is the time it takes to compress/decompress stuff in zram. If you only have 8 gigs of RAM and 90% of that is zram then your computer might feel a bit slow because I assume it will spend a lot of time compressing and decompressing stuff.

>>105809336
>If you want a """just works""" system, you use something like Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora,
Read the logs:>>105804417

>>105809358
I know, that's why I put a few quotation marks around the term kek. I find it funny how I always got more issues or problems with more mainstream distros than on Arch-based systems. Last time I tried Fedora I couldn't get it to install properly, the Anaconda installer would crash, and afterwards I wasn't able to uninstall Flatpaks entirely (I don't use them), my only option was to disable the repos in the "Apps store" program they got over there. I got a similar issue with Debian, I couldn't get it to install because it would shit itself during the "Select a mirror" part. There's not perfect Linux distribution, but I rather recommend one the mainstream ones to a friend becauses there's less of a chance for them to fuck up. Normalfags don't care about any of this though.

i don't have a backup solution aside from dd'ing my boot ssd to another hard drive. are lvm snapshots better/easier to recover than a rsync/timeshift backup?

New thread:
>>105809531

Android? Is this the next big thing?

>>105807510
Isn't Nobara just Fedora with a bunch of fixes towards gaming?
If Fedora doesn't support X11 (at least is what I thought) why would Nobara? Unless one of those fixes is related to X11 support. And no, Nobara isn't packed with X11 by default, but you can install it (as with Fedora)

What's the point of something like distrobox on linux?

>>105809443
grub-btrfs is about as easy as it gets, you select the snapshot you want and that's it

>>105809443
LVM snapshots aren't backup. In general everything is harder with LVM and you only want to use it if your storage is fast enough that the CPU overhead of btrfs is an issue.

>>105808030
>I think a lot of immutable distros suffer from getting bloated over time.
I find the opposite desu. Your base system is clearly defined and user apps are all containerised so you can easily remove any bloat you add.

New thread:
>>105809522

>>105809290
I've used 1:1 (32GB) for a couple of years now, never OOM'd but still have an OOM service just in case. It just works, RAM often compresses down to a quarter.

>>105809336
>But why would that be a bad thing?
Nobody is saying Arch is bad. If you go through the messages you'll see that what's being discussed is "Arch is bad for an average person". Which is, in fact, completely true. An average person wants to install something like Bazzite and never have to think about anything that's related to the actual OS.

>>105809358
Ubuntu user here. Works on my machine.

>>105809772
Are you getting paid to say this?

>>105809584
The user I was replying to was mentioning Nobara.
But yes, Nobara is just Fedora with proprietary drivers/codecs and a bunch of fixes for gaming, streaming and media editing.

>>105809596
It's useful to avoid bloating your system if you're pulling some git project and don't want to install dependencies natively.
I think some people also use it to install .deb or .rpm packages on distros which don't use those package formats. Immutable distros can also use distrobox to install stuff that's not available as a flatpak or appimage.

>>105809814
>are you paid to make truthful statements
No

>>105809832
Why can't I just run fedora and optimize it for games like bazzite does?

>>105809772
>complains about arch all thread
>btw check out bazzite

>>105809862
You can do whatever you want, anon.

>>105809824
Won't using arch based distro with pacman be a better option?

>>105809862
Not him but thats what i'd recommend simply because it reduces the amount of possible failure points, regardless of your distro of choice. Never go downstream unless you have a reason.
You can always customize, upload the modified files to your favorite git host and pull them if you for some strange reason gotta reinstall

>>105795412 (OP)
that image reminds of ubuntu and the fact that 24.04 will be my last version with them since 16.04
after the snaps fiasco, the abandonment of lxde, i sticked with them and now, they decided, "we're dropping x11! teehee!" fuck these niggers
24.04 will be my last ubuntu install
which distro did you guys move to?

>>105809862
Don't let your dreams be dreams

>>105809872
I see what you're trying to do, but you cannot discredit the things that are wrong with Arch. The anti arch anon (me) and the bazzite shill are different anons, I'm still looking for a distro which is the reason why this discussion started.

>>105809862
convenience = ease of use

>>105809962
>we're different shills I swear
lol sure man

>>105810060
im sure they'll get paid big bucks for convincing people to use software that has nothing to sell

how can I copy ostree 1 to ostree 0 in the case of ostree 0 getting fucked up