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>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700/X, 7700/X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (13/14th gen -K CPU BIOS update required)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues are still reported; BIOS must be updated before CPU installation

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB or 2x64GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
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>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: Acer XV271U M3, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>105870415

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro (loud @ higher RPM), P14/Max (5-pack)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Prev: https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/p105924942

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super rumors: 5070 Ti Super 24GB, 5080 Super 24GB, 5070 Super 18GB

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

>Product Notice
AOC Q27G40XMN: nice budget 1440p miniLED monitor but inconsistent QC.
Bad one causes DisplayHDR setting to look overbrightened and desaturated when applying the best local dimming option.

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview?usp=sharing

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

Prev: >>105924827

>the RX 6600 was a regression in performance to the RX 5600XT and launched at a higher price
people would literally never let it go if NVIDIA did something like this btw

Friendly Windows Thread for Windows Activation: >>105940279

>>105943076
people like you aren't letting amd go either, so fair's fair

>>105943076
>regression
but it's faster

>>105943008

>>105943076
It's because Rdna1 got amdrones so traumatized with it's hardware/driver bugs that they pretend it doesn't exist

>>105943091
He's probably talking about the cost per frame.
Both NVIDIA and AMD are pacing the generational gains they spec for these gaming cards to maximize long-term profits.
Selling the best possible GPU at all price tiers leaves less room for improvement for successive generations of video cards.

>>105943133
Gee maybe hardware shouldn't be annual releases like fucking Call of Duty then.

Reposting:

I have an unopened 8700k, STRIX Z370-E, 64gb DDR4-3000 CL16 RAM, and a Deepcool Castle 240EX, (and a 1000w PSU and a case, but I'd hold onto those) I've had sitting around for 7-9 years at this point. Is it worth trying to sell all that minus the case and PSU? (could I get $200 for it?) or am I better off just building it and buying a modern GPU, and then upgrading the CPU, RAM, MOBO, and cooler later?

How much issues will I run into if any trying to use a 4080 with this? Obviously I'll be CPU limited, but in practice I'm wondering how it'd handle say Cyberpunk if I wanted to play at medium to high settings at 1440p at 60fps. Also wondering if the 4000 series GPUs have the right power connections for an older PSU without using the dodgy/flawed converters

>>105942957
I thought about doing that, but there's only so small cases that fit a ATX motherboard can get (and at the moment I don't have a lot of space for shit), and I ended up buying a prebuilt NAS.

I could technically still return that, I'm in the return window to do so, but I really don't want the hassle of setting up my own server, I'm out of drive space at the moment and don't have backups for most of my files and needed something to take care of that ASAP. Plus, those parts would be complete overkill for anything i'd use a home server for: I legitimately do not understand the point of plex and other software most people use in servers, I wouldn't need to be doing transcoding, etc. I just want to access files via the normal windows folder viewer, if I want to watch a movie or anime on the NAS/server, I'd just go to the folder and click the video file.

>>105943133
that might be true but the 6600 did have more vram

>>105943139
NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel generate the majority of their profits from selling hardware.
Consumer-grade cards release every two years these days; they release mid-gen refreshes like the Super as a demand-booster.

>>105943140
I would try to sell the components and build a newer PC.

>How much issues will I run into if any trying to use a 4080 with this?
You can play Cyberpunk @ 1440p 60 FPS, but it's kind of a low bar.

>Also wondering if the 4000 series GPUs have the right power connections for an older PSU without using the dodgy/flawed converters
The 40 series cards ship with an adapter; your PSU needs to have three 6+2-pin PCIe power cables.

I bought the KTC M27T6 that's been recommended in the op, and seeing as there are no western reviews I thought I'd give my thoughts after a few days here.

I'm coming from a 4 year old acer 1440p 160hz ips, and I have an lg oled tv. I have also tried and returned a 1440p qoled monitor.
The build quality is surprisingly excellent, the stand has great range of movement. It has an easy to navigate OSD.
For the screen itself, the positives are;
Essentially perfect black levels with local dimming on and good with it off, no blooming that I can notice, motion clarity a bit better than my old acer, colors better than the acer but worse than my oled, HDR looks similar to my oled.
For the negatives, the expected va drawbacks are present but mostly only noticeable if you're looking for them, (mild color warping at the edge of the screen and mediocre viewing angles, white text sometime disappearing on black backgrounds during extreme motion). The cursor and other small elements darkening local dimming on is noticeable, and the screen takes ~5 seconds to wake up.

Overall I'm impressed with it, especially for the price, (I got it for <300 usd after discounts).
I'd say that it's around 80% of the experience you get with and oled, and without the risk of burn in and text clarity issues that are very noticeable at 1440p. It lacks the wow that oleds have, though, and if you already have a similar ips monitor and especailly if you do a lot of desktop stuff rather than gaming, I would only get a miniled if black levels are important to you.

>>105943204
>It lacks the wow that oleds have, though
The better brightness didn't stand out much? Thx for the feedback.
I don't think you can find a better HDR monitor for that price.
What is the firmware version of your monitor? You can check in the main OSD screen (bottom right).

>>105943145
Cope

>>105943139
Maybe consoooooomers should try to only buy hardware when they need it, not being self-compelled to buy every new release. But since NPCs are mindless herd animals they will always complain.

>>105943091
according to HUBs latest video it's slower

>>105943188
>I would try to sell the components

How much could I realistically get for them? I tried selling them for 250 a few months ago and nobody was interested in buying it as a set.

>The 40 series cards ship with an adapter; your PSU needs to have three 6+2-pin PCIe power cables.

As in, with 6+2 pin PCie cables, I WON'T need the adapter, or that's what I need TO use the adapter? IIRC the adapter has issues as I recall?

>>105943226
The better brightness is definitely noticeable esp in hdr but to my eye it didn't make a huge difference, might be the kind of thing that varies person to person though.
For sure nothing else in this price range even comes close
usa-1.0.1

>105943124
Hey pedo-schizo, nobody has ever recommended that gpu in this general, ever, so whats the problem? Its a bad gpu, so are any of the modern 8gig vram Njudea and AMD gpus, its why nobody recommends them but you, pedophile.

>>105936698
anon, do i have a miracle product for you. I successfully attached it to the front panel of my antec flux pro with some careful scissor work and manipulating the mesh-folds to hold it.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/334936537236 white version
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/353857066345
black
enjoy. Pick whatever case you want, then seal up the dust-vulnerabilities with this stuff. You still need to dust your pc and clean out the panels themselves, but that'll be every 3-6 months max now.

Why do people doing benchmarks ALWAYS use DLSS when testing raytracing in games?

Is playing a game at native 1080p with raytracing for example simply not possible or something? Are you required to use DLSS to use raytracing?

>>105943294
You need three 6+2-pin PCIe cables to use the adapter.

>How much could I realistically get for them? I tried selling them for 250 a few months ago and nobody was interested in buying it as a set.
I guess you're fucked then.

>IIRC the adapter has issues as I recall?
There is, but you need to be stunningly incompetent to cause the 4080's 12V power connector to melt.
A 4080 drawing 350W of power is using less than 55% of the connector's total rated power draw (660W, 9.2A per pin minimum).
Server cards use the same connector with around 300~350W of power draw.

>>105943347
Because you simply can't run native memetracing without dropping below 60fps 95% of the time. Which nobody who isnt insane and retarded does. So you either turn it off entirely (95% of gamers), or you turn on DLSS.

Friendly reminder that the best lighting engine in a videogame that you actually -play-, that isn't a screenshot simulator like Cyberpunk, is Helldivers 2 on pc, which doesn't use UE/unity, or memetracing at all.

>>105943368
*turn it on entirely (95% of gamers) and enjoy it with DLSS

>>105943347
>Why do people doing benchmarks ALWAYS use DLSS when testing raytracing in games?
This isn't true. Some reviewers like TechPowerUp share RT @ native resolution benchmarks.

Higher levels of RT illumination, reflections, & shadow settings are resource-demanding.
NVIDIA introduced RT & DLSS as the RTX card's feature set for that reason.

>>105943368
You don't speak for everyone.

>Friendly reminder that the best lighting engine in a videogame that you actually -play-
You are a relic; even Nintendo is planning to add RT visuals in their Switch 2 games.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2025/06/three-nintendo-ray-tracing-and-rendering-related-patents-published-in-japan

>>105943347
>1080p
>raytracing
No, you can't. That's illegal.

Good upscalers like DLSS & FSR4 give 9070/XT and 5070/Ti card owners the option to play games on a 4K monitor with arguably a better experience compared to 1440p gaming.
>>105930043

Upscaled 4K performance varies by the type of games you play & the settings.

>>105943464
yeah well good contrast ratio hdr 4k monitors are too expensive so 1440p it is for the next 5 years

>>105943343
people shilled RDNA1 when it came out

>>105943473
The 5700 XT was disrupting the mainstream segment and forced NVIDIA to react with the RTX 20 Super cards.

>>105943354
>I guess you're fucked then.

Maybe I just wasn't listing it in the right places? Where do people typically sell PC parts? How much would you charge for it, about what I listed it as?

>>105943496
it was disrupting RDNA1 bagholders PCs with unfixable hardware bugs
never buy an AMD arch that ends with an odd number

>>105943512
>never buy an AMD arch that ends with an odd number
Superstition. AMD brings out the big guns when Sony & Microsoft are buying their SoC.
UDNA1 or RDNA5 is going to turn out fine; it might be the most space-efficient GPU AMD's ever made.

The Steam Deck 2 might also use this GPU.

>>105943041 (OP)
you forgot to say what edition this thread is!!!

>>105943140
I'd buy it if it wasn't posted on an underwater basket weaving board.
Do you have this listed anywhere?

Got any mouse pad brand recs?

>105943407
>njudean marketing slide used as 'evidence'
lol, lmao even.
My galaxy-brain trumps your shitty slopaganda pedo-shill.

Nintendo are bending the knee, because every AAA goyslop factory are outsourcing their lighting to the memetracing automation + pajeet code monkey farms.

Its a form of negative automation for an inferior product, in literally every way, to cut costs on development. Imagine shilling for an objective net-negative outcome for gamers, lmao, Njudean shills are truly a different breed.

>>105943473
there's shills for every gpu generation, so fucking what? it was also cheap, so you're always going to get poorfags trying to hype up a cheap gpu. Like the pedo-schizo shilling 8gig vram Njudean gpus to this day like they're not garbage.

>>105943585
gamers nexus brand mousemats are great, im using one now.

>>105943579
Not at the moment, but if I decide to relist (again, I might just build it and get a new GPU), I can contact you. You got a throwaway email?

if not I can post one of mine

>>105943597
>Its a form of negative automation for an inferior product, in literally every way, to cut costs on development
Except game devs buy into RT because it helps them set up more accurate shadows and lighting at a lower production cost.
Baked lighting causes unnaturally lit scenes more often.

>>105943665
>Baked lighting causes unnaturally lit scenes more often.
reality and every game using pre-baked lighting proves this completely wrong. Reminder once again, because you're a bot who only regurgitates Njudean talking points.

>Friendly reminder that the current best lighting engine in a videogame that you actually -play-, that isn't a screenshot simulator like Cyberpunk, is Helldivers 2 on pc, which doesn't use UE/unity, or memetracing at all.

>>105943597
>objective net-negative outcome for gamers
RT is a net negative to RDNA3 card owners like you, especially since you’re stuck with the cope version of FSR4.

>>105943685
>reality and every game using pre-baked lighting proves this completely wrong.
Wrong again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UArAFWpIugY

Holy shit guys, you have no clue how good it feels to go from a ~7 year old HDD to a SSD, everything is so fast. I got minecraft downloaded in about the same amount of time it took me to launch it on my old pc.

>>105943688
no shill, because as i've been saying since the Njudean 2000 series came out, memetracing is an abomination designed to monopolize Njudeas place in the market, and it should not exist in that format. It was never a 'good' thing for gamers, and never intended to be.

Lighting engines should always have been left to the game engine coders and designers. Not a single gpu manufacturer trying to corner the market with a faux-innovative product. If UE+Unity+frostbite had introduced memetracing, sure, then you can dedicate die-space to it. But they didn't, memetracing has subtly nerfed every gpu released in the last 8 years, as die-space that COULD have been dedicated to rasterisation has been partly sacrificed for memetracing cores, not to mention the waste of R&D. And a reminder that it hasn't resulted in overall better looking games, outside of natural progression of graphical fidelity, which is independent of lighting engines.

What amazes me, is how easily you goys and shills are manipulated by such low-brow marketing. As i grew up, i naturally developed a degree of immunity and contempt for such forms of marketing, strange that you retards fall for it soo easily, and repeatedly. How many covid jabs did you get i wonder? 5?

>105943704
kys pedo-schizo-shill. Stop posting forever.

>>105943771
>memetracing is an abomination designed to monopolize Njudeas place in the market
NVIDIA wasn't obsessed with gaming dominance during the development of Turing GPUs; they didn't give a fuck about one-upping AMD because they already won.
That was already the time when Jensen pivoted the company to an AI GPU development firm, against his board's wishes.

NVIDIA's workstation customers needed a GPU with hardware-accelerated ray tracing performance, that is the main reason why Turing GPUs had RT cores in them.
The GeForce team developed real-time ray tracing & DLSS to make use of the RT & Tensor cores in the Turing GPU.
That's better than completely disabling the RT & Tensor cores.

>>105943771
>as die-space that COULD have been dedicated to rasterisation has been partly sacrificed for memetracing cores
Simply increasing shading units is an even more inefficient use of die space, the 5090 is proof of this.
The 5090 has double the shading units compared to the 5080, but the 5090 is less than 50% faster.

>Dont buy Nvidia buy AMD shills KYS.png
Yes, buy ethical AMD's 7900 XTX for full price like the retard you are.

>>105943771
For the most part AMD makes inferior hardware and falls short in software support, which is why AMD is the discount brand

>>105943832
The 5090 is 50% faster when there's no bottleneck. And it's not a full die GPU like the 5080 is.

Why don't we have a look at what ethical AMD Radeon is prioritizing for the future?
>Designing an architecture optimized specifically for machine learning workloads in gaming (AI)
>Developing high-quality neural networks that push the boundaries of real-time game graphics (AI)
>Machine learning based Frame Generation (AI)
>Ray Regeneration in FSR Redstone (RT)
They're just catching up to NVIDIA.

>>105943878
>The 5090 is 50% faster when there's no bottleneck.
My figure was based on 4K benchmarks.

>And it's not a full die GPU like the 5080 is.
Whether the 5090's using a cut or a fully-enabled die is irrelevant to my point.
It was comparing the performance gain from having 10752 shader units (5080) to 21760 (5090).

am i going to actually notice a difference going from 1080p to 1440p if i have to sit a foot away from my monitor because my eye sight isnt very good

>>105943973
There's an improvement in pixel density.
If you're moving up to a 27" 1440p monitor, the larger screen real estate is the more noticeable change.

>>105943973
if you can afford it just buy a 32" 4k qd oled, or woled if you use it in bright environments

>>105943973
you should be upgrading to the biggest monitor you can frankly, get a 1440p or 4k ultrawide, whatever you can afford, you need more screen space to see better.

Even a semi-blind man can surely see the pixels on a 1080poverty monitor, surely?

>>105944060
they should be making more 1440p 24'' screens

I tried getting used to a 32 inch monitor going from a 24 inch one and it was just too much and I returned it

>>105944112
i like that size for gaming but not regular web browsing desu

>>105944112
did you ever learn about "windows scaling" option and using a monitor arm that allows more freely to move it to a suitable position?

>>105944120
winblows scaling doesnt work for everything, Steam is notoriously shit at scaling, no idea why they sleep on it considering how they're generally cutting-edge in every other area.

>>105944155
no one cares schizo

>>105944120
No I didn't and my desk doesn't support a monitor arm. It was just simply too much screen in my face

>>105944174
check out flexispot height adjustable desks
amazon has a lot of affordable monitor arms

the scaling option is necessary for 1440p screens and up. I use 150% scaling on 1440p and 300% on 4k.

>>105943805
>against his board's wishes.
Was it? If that was the case then I respect Jacket Man even more. Increasing your company valuation from multibillion to multitrillion with such decisions is the way you put your name alongside the greats.

>>105943805
>NVIDIA's workstation customers needed a GPU with hardware-accelerated ray tracing performance, that is the main reason why Turing GPUs had RT cores in them.
The way I remembered it was that nobody thought RT would ever be real-time feasible and nvidia introduced hw accelerated RT out of nowhere. It was a really well kept secret and only leaked like weeks or a month before RTX was announced.

>>105943973
>my eye sight isnt very good
It might improve a bit if you try to not sit one foot away from a screen. That's staring into the light tier. Do you not wear any corrective lenses?

>am i going to actually notice a difference
Probably. You're placing your face close to the screen because you can't focus on it from further away, but this means that once you are actually in range to focus you can definitely see the individual pixels of a 1080p screen. 1440p @ 27" is the point where the pixels start to disappear. 4k at that screen size would require you to jam your eye into it to see the dots.

rate my build that Im waiting on concurrently

i514400
32g ddr5 5600
1070 ti

>>105944245
intel-aviv benefits from high spec ram than that, if you're not gonna get 48/64gigs at least get faster 32gigs jesus.

Poverty-tier Njudean gpu, also they stopped supporting that series of card anon, newer games wont even work right on it.

>>105944255
remember to redeem xbox gamebar

>>105944265
yes an i wish I order a different board too. I have some gigabyte semi decent board on the way but the whole reason Im gettign this is becaue my previous gigayte oard is bricked from enabling secure boot and tpm

>>105944303
MSI is generally the less-bad choice if you don't want to deal with ASUS and their bullshit. I blackballed ASUS after they fucked me over hard with their shitty gamer phone warranty+repair, their boards are overrated anyway.

>>105943041 (OP)
Will motherboards ever get to the point where you can mix and match DDR5 RAM kits at will like you can with DDR4? Right now most will refuse to boot if you mix multiple compatible kits in the available slots.

>>105944609
The 4 dimm issue is less pronounced on intel and is starting to be fixed at least on msi's boards which supposedly supports 192gb and 256gb of ddr5 running at expo 6000cl30

>>105944802
starting to be fixed on AMD*

Is fractal design torrent still worth buying or better go with lancool 217, flux pro or meshify3 ?

>>105945226
If it could fit a 420 or at least 360 in top it would be worth it. Mounting a rad in bottom inevitably kills your pump.
Airflow in general would be better if air could exhaust through the top. A closed top ignores "design follows function" principle.

>>105945226
Meshify 3XL is more practical. Unfortunately lacks proper dust filters.

>>105945378
Closed top is function. It prevents dust and accidental spills from falling in and you can put stuff on it. Thermal benefits from tops exhaust are marginal at best unless there's a radiator there, front-to-back airflow always does the heavy lifting in a conventional case.

2nd design could have PSU occupying the traditional rear fan slot, sideways or otherwise.

thoughts on moving my fan by the HDD's to the top left? it's not like the hdds need cooling and they kinda block airflow
also how the fuck do i clear up the cable mess at the bottom? i cannot get a clear flow for the bottom fan.

thinking of buying used 3080 10gb, are there better choices with similar specs in newer generations? I am not doing anything retarded do I? (nvidia only)

>>105945560
if the case has holes in the right for the intake (which I dont see any), it wont really matter so this config is already OK. But otherwise I would but them into the left top fan hole place.

People said it runs like trash, but in reality this is the less stutery UE game ever.
Completed it on Intel Arc.

>>105945580
>nvidia only

need a good $100> case that can easily fit a 280mm AIO
any suggestions?

>>105945599
No holes on the right i'm afraid. Just a CD bay.
I'll try putting one of em up there cuz it feels like wasted electricity to move air through either a cable mess or a bunch of HDD's which blocks airflow anyway.

>>105945690
take the noctua colored fan to the left top, take a drill and make holes where the black fan is
take some tapes and just organize the cables (For example make gpu cable go on top of psu, to the top left fan place and the to the gpu, use the tapes to organize it) Do this for all the cables and it will be OK
the two right fans are basically useless right now, they may even hurt performance of black fan that has holes for intake
Or just get a better case you know?

>>105945624
It does run like trash. You need to run at 1080p just to get 120fps on a 4090. By comparison RE4R Remake gets 185fps at 4k. 4x the resolution of 1080p and still higher fps and better visuals.

>>105944255
Add a external GPU to thing thing and you got a super powerful gaming PC for cheap

What 2TB SATA SSD do you recommend for backup purposes? My mainboard natively supports 2 M.2 NVME SSDs, which are in use. I want to have a weekly script running backup up my profile and some things to a SSD. I've found WD Blue (rather shitty TBF), Crucial and PNY still have consumer grade SSDs. There are WD Reds (for NAS), which only cost a few bucks more and have much better TBF and reliability but I've read they have disabled error correction by default and are not recommended for non-raid, desktop use.
TLDR. I need a non-raid, 2TB SATA SSD as an internal backup drive. Reliability is more important than speed.

>my dream case visualized by ai
so uhhh when am I getting this irl

>>105945841
Why not a 2.5 HDD? It's gonna be much cheaper and you won't hear it if it only spins up during your weekly backups.
You don't need really NAS-grade drives if they don't run 24/7. That drive is gonna undergo very little stress, reliability shouldn't be a too much of a concern as long as you don't receive a faulty unit.
If you're settled on an SSD, I'd look at Crucial, Samsung or SanDisk/WD since they manufacture their own chips.

My second monitor died which was a very old asus 23in 1080p TN panel and I need a replacement. I placed an order for the KTC H24T27 seeing the company was recommended in the OP for $120 which is a 24" 1440p 100hz G sync 300 cd/m IPS. Anything better for the money or did I do okay? Only thing it seems I would want different would be a more square ratio like 4:3 or 16:10 instead of the 16:9. Main monitor is 27" 144 I don't think I would want a larger size than 24" for the second monitor especially in a 16:9.

>>105945713
thanks, will do.
>better case
i'd go for a fractal but i'm a cheapskate university student. Every dollar saved counts.

>>105943041 (OP)
>got the antec C8 curve
>didnt realize how big it was going to be
At least it looks nice...

Love or hate NVIDIA you have to have huge respect for what Jensen Huang achieved

>>105945968
antec 900 or phanteks enthoo pro

>>105946141
>it looks nice...
anon it's a combination of the current two faggiest trends which would be a fucking fish tank plus onions wood
it is a unnecessary massive ugly fragile piece of shit that can't even fit 5 2.5 ssd in it
they'd put a handle on it too if a single faggot who buys that kind of case was capable of lifting 15 kilos with one hand

return it and buy a normal case

>>105945968
looks awful and 5'25 are a meme

>>105946159
why do brown people love to worship billionaires so much

>>105945968
cool case, it would be perfect if it didn't come with that see through side panel

what should I buy to finish my half-done build? I've spent $900 AUD on either discounted or second-hand bits:

CPU: ryzen 7500f
Mobo: MSI B650
RAM: 64gb Adata 6000mhz CL30
Cooling: Noctua and scythe fans & cooler
Case: Corsair Frame 4000D
PSU: Super Flower 850w gold

GPU: ???
Storage: ???

I want to play Oblivion Remastered (1440p 144hz monitor). remaining budget is like $1000 AUD max. for storage I was gonna buy a 4tb lexar nm790. for a GPU, I don't know what to get. I can't afford a 5070 ti, can't justify 12gb of ram on a 5070, and the used market here sucks. help me please.

>>105946244
Holy seethe

>>105946342
>Storage: ???
Crucial.
>GPU
Intel Arc B770 24 GB.

>>105946264
>why do brown people love to worship billionaires so much
Jensen's a self-made man; his relatives in Washington state accidentally sent Jensen to a reform school in Kentucky because the uncle thought it was a prestigious boarding school (he took classes at a nearby public school because he wasn't a troublemaker).
>Every student smoked, and I think I was the only boy at the school without a pocketknife
>His roommate was illiterate; in exchange for teaching him to read, Huang said, “he taught me how to bench-press. I ended up doing a hundred pushups every night before bed.”
That's probably where Jensen learned how to become a bully.

CUDA was also a very risky bet that almost took NVIDIA out of business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OWpxVwL8YU

>>105945968
Antec 300

>>105946305
>if it didn't come with that see through side panel
how is one meant to see beautiful poo brown 775 mobo and static blue leds without it?

>>105946482

>>105944802
>pronounced on intel and is starting to be fixed
>>105944806
>starting to be fixed on AMD*

Which is it, now? I'd want good advice, not Shill Wars.

>>105944231
NVIDIA demonstrated an interactive (I believe this is real-time) Ray Tracing demo at SIGGRAPH 2008.
Researchers were already utilizing RT on NVIDIA GPUs without Tensor or RT cores.
It isn't something developed to kill Radeon GPUs, people at NVIDIA considered Intel to be their major threat during the 2000s.

https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-shows-interactive-ray-tracing-on-gpus
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/nvision08-IRT/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IC2NIogWR4

It's the slow rate of growth of the PC gaming market that convinced Jensen & the people at NVIDIA to pivot to programmer shaders (CUDA) in the 2000s and AI in 2013.

>>105946588
>less pronounced on intel and is starting to be fixed on AMD
Fix your reading comprehension.

>>105946342
You'd probably have to settle with a 9060 XT 16GB.
You're not going to get 144 FPS playing Oblivion: Remastered @ 1440p because the game's a technical mess.

Crucial T500 is a decent storage drive with DRAM.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/GfRwrH/crucial-t500-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct1000t500ssd8

WD SN5000 if you want an affordable 2TB drive (DRAMless).
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/vLGhP6/western-digital-wd-blue-sn5000-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t4b0e

>>105946044
>KTC H24T27
>24" 1440p 100hz G sync 300 cd/m IPS.
Not sure why you picked a 24" 1440p secondary monitor.
Good colors, usable sRGB emulation setting, mediocre contrast. It doesn't have great response times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwkzhRl5E6w

If you're not going to game on this monitor, there are slightly cheaper 1080p office monitors like the MSI Pro MP243XP.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/xtul/saved/7PtL4D

Thoughts, anything you would replace or wait for another part to release?
I've never had liquid cooling and I'm afraid of leaks, hence the air cooler.

>>105947037
>This part list is private.
also leaks aren't really a thing with aios

how do I delid without a tool? :D

>>105947164
knife and jackhammer

>>105947164
If you have an am5 CPU, dental floss is enough

>>105947352
>AM5
I have LGA1151...

>>105946342
7500f isn't even enough to hold even 60 in oblivion.
>can't justify 12gb of ram on a 5070
They didn't tell you?

>>105947368
Razor blade will do then
Just be careful to angle up the blade so you don't damage the PCB of the CPU which tend to have critical traces running across it close to the surface level

>>105946724
>>105946588
>>105944802
>is starting to be fixed at least on msi's boards
wat? I just bought an X870E-P MSI board recently and it had exactly that problem with mixing RAM kits even though it says it can support 256GB of DDR5 RAM.

r8 b8 h8
pc to play everything on a 4k tv (and I don't upgrade often)
https://newegg.io/cc2fc2b

>>105947616
192 GB 3600MT/s is the only guaranteed memory speed in a 4 DiMM x 1/2 Rank config for Ryzen 9000 CPUs.
Especially if you try to mix and match different packs of memory kits.

I'm sporadically getting the critical error Kernel 41, since March I got it 6 times, I know the problem is most likely a faulty ram stick but I've been wondering if I can just live up with it for a while without anything drastic happening to my pc.

>>105947684
Bad ram can corrupt an OS over time

>>105947631
CPU cooler isn't big enough to handle a 9800X3D.
See if this Peerless Assassin Mini fits in that case & the rest of the components.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WW88TW/thermalright-peerless-assassin-mini-6687-cfm-cpu-cooler-peerless-assassin-120-mini-black

The 750W version of that Cooler Master PSU failed LTT Labs' PSU tests. Avoid.
https://www.lttlabs.com/products/power-supplies/cooler-master-v-sfx-gold-750-atx-3-0

>>105947631
4k+ and no 5090 so your build is bad

>>105947671
The speed is irrelevant since it won't even boot if I mix 2 64 GB kits (total of 128GB).

>>105947631
>another compact meme
where are you retards coming from
you will come back in a month to bitch about temps and fan noise

>>105947736
>mix 2 64 GB kits
You fucked around and found out.
Remove a set from the board and see what happens.

>>105947684
Bad ram must be fixed asap since it corrupts your files

>>105947736
96gb Hynix m-die is less heavy on the memory controller that 64gb Hynix a-die

>>105947736
How long did you wait for the initial memory training process? More memory ranks = longer memory training time.
You got 4x dual-rank DDR5 kits in that setup.

alright how did i do
from r5 3600 to r7 5700x
from 16 gigs to 32gigs
from gtx 1070 to rtx 5060
2tb nvme
cost around 40000tl
already have a monitor and peripherals and gonna sell the previous pc(original plan was to upgrade that but it would have cost so much it made more sense to buy a new pc entirely

>>105946244
Anyone who hates wood is subhuman, kys rgbtranny.

>>105947815
>rtx 5060
This feels bad, but it is what it is.

>wake up
>contemplate my options
>PG27UCDM 1200€ / XG27UCDM 850€ (if sale) 1000€ (current)
>PG32UCDM(Z) 1150€
>LG C4 42" 745€
>Buy nothing 0€ (free)

>>105947815
>5060
fuck man, it's a good gpu (compared to the 4060) but it really needs more vram. 3060 might outperform it under certain conditions. We really need some better gpus

Why don't amd put enough vram on their cards? Radeon sisters did we fall for it again?

>>105947844
DP 2.1 isn't worth that premium.
Decide between the C4 and the XG27UCDM.

>0€ (free)
Very attractive option, you don't seem to game much anyway.

>>105947850
Both cards are rendering unplayable performance at those 4K settings.
But you're seeing the effects of Radeon GPUs having less lower-level cache (SRAM).

>>105947797
>>105947702
Thanks for the input, I'll try to fix it as soon as I can.

>>105947927
>effects of Radeon GPUs having less lower-level cache (SRAM).
How exactly does this work? Because there are games that can murder 8gb amd cards but are still good enough on 6gb Nvidia.

>>105946141
I have a c8 with 9rgb fans in it and a wood strip on the front. I keep the rgb on dark orange. In my opinion bigger is simply better. My keyboard has a numpad. My desk is 6ft across. My monitor is a 48" tv

>>105947970
>My monitor is a 48" tv
how far away do you sit? I consider getting a 32 inch tv and I'm thinking that it may be too big

>>105947822
>>105947849
in hindsight i should have gone with the 5060ti/5070 but the price difference was so severe it would have went to 50s to maybe 60s perhaps i should have gone for the arc b580(difference being nearly 10 grand)
but i dont really play too much triple a stuff so i should be fine i feel like also dlss too

>>105947819
wood on case is the same as rgbt in current year
keep following dogshit trends faggot

>>105948018
Wood is not a trend it is the default. It has always been a sign of class throughout the ages. Cry and piss and shit your pants like the child you are and stick to your shiny bing bing wahoo.

>>105947844
I have the LG c4 and it's really nice

My wife has an 8th gen i3 build that needs replacing. I want to be able to drop in a new processor at am5 eol when they get cheap and a new gpu and another 32gb of ram. This is what I did on mine with AM4 but from a 3600 to a 5700x, a 9070xt, and 16gb more ram. I want to get a 9800x3d or similar when it is under $200 and a 6070ti or similar to just keep this going well for ~8 years. As is this will be hugely better than her 8th gen i3/6600. Then she can play sims 4 and overcooked 2 and stardew valley.

>>105948003
The desk is quite large so probably like 4-5ft away. But I have been doing this for years as in over 10 years. I had a 42" 4ktv before this and used to do a 42" 1080p tv before that.

>>105948067
Can you describe the shape and size of your wife's breasts? What type of panties does she wear? What does she smell like?

>>105946892
Thanks for the detailed reply. I keep my monitors until they die for the asus it was almost a decade old iir and figured the extra PPI would be nicer for reading off of. Wouldn't want to kick myself in a few years for not getting something a little nicer for a little more.
>MSI Pro MP243XP.
Looks good for half the price. Ill consider it.

>>105948036
yeah well here's your classy wood saar
giant ass piece of shit fish tank designed by faggots for faggots

>>105948067
the 6600 should be more than enough for those games

>>105948113
I do this except way messier and cheaper. I also have 2 refurb enterprise hdds in this that click loudly all the time which I enjoy

>>105948114
That's the joke. But it isn't enough for us to play phasmophobia in vr together.

meshify 3 or torrent compact>?

>>105948080
I can't sit that far away, thanks for the insight

>>105948259
I just put the icons at 175% and use ctrl+scroll frequently. It does break some uis just running 4k in general but 4k at 48" generally has a large enough screen size that you're basically running 4 16" 1080p screens put together.

>>105948047
how is the brightness during daytime scenes on the c4?
i heard that woled is kind of mediocre when it comes to that

>>105947037
>>105947050
Reposting, fixed the link.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/xtul/saved/2WG7vK

>leaks aren't really a thing with aios
I may consider an AIO then, please recommend something good, thanks!

>>105948313
Wait for the 24gb 5080 you fool. It will be out in like january. Spending $1600 on 16gb is gigacucked. The card was supposed to be 24gb on release but samsung shit the bed and couldn't manufacture the 3gb gddr7 modules at scale in time for the 5000 series release. Wait like 6 mos for the noncucked 5000 series to come out.

>>105947703
based, thank you

>>105947721
>no 5090
I want to install bazzite on it

>>105947756
>>another compact meme
it's for the living room (so looks count more), but I get what you're saying

>2025
>no one uses oled
>1080 is most popular in steam

>>105948473
This is because of 3rd worlders on steam

>>105948473
maybe people would upgrade if you could get an low-mid range gpu that can run games on 1440p

>>105948495
I played rdr2 in 4k 60fps on my 3060 12gb (with the power of dlss)

>>105947958
The larger L1 and L2 cache in GeForce GPUs allows the chip to store more data that is likely to be requested very soon.
Higher level of cache, like L3, takes more time and energy to access, and it gets worse when the GPU is requesting data that is stored in the VRAM, system memory, or storage (SSD/HDD).
Radeon GPUs have less L1 & L2 cache, so their GPU is going to need to access the VRAM more often.
This is why Resizable Bar benefits Radeon cards more than GeForce; it's the GPU architectural difference.

Not saying which design is better or worse, just explaining the differences.
SRAM takes up a significant area of the GPU die, so AMD's decided to reduce the reliance on L1/L2 cache.

If I want to build a pc for 240+ hz gaming, in a portable size, and can use this thunderbolt 5 port card thishttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F2GJGRH6/ what should the build be?

finally looking to replace my ancient 1050

CPU: 5700G (build was during gpu shortage)
Chipset: B550

I know I'm stuck at PCI-E 3 on the 5700G unless I swap it out.

Thinking about the 3060 12GB.

Mostly play single-player old games (2005-2015), VRChat, and dabble with local AI.

Is AMD still bad for VR?
Are the workarounds for AI (ROCm) that bad?

>>105948668
I have a 3060 12gb and went to a 5070ti and it is much better for vr. Games that ran like shit are all smooth now. The 3060 12gb will play alyx for you, in fact my mobile 3060 6gb can which is ≈2060 but that game is well optimized. Most vr games ran like shit on my 3060

>>105947616
Did you updated the bios?

I’m having some troubles with my new build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vqcfLc
DRAM and BOOT led lit up on the mobo; fans and pump are running and RGB is lit. Currently the GPU isn’t installed to allow access to the CMOS battery but I tried previously with it on. I previously had G. Skill F5-6000J3040F16GX2-TZ5RK RAM and had the same issue as now. As they weren’t on the revision 1.2 list of QVL RAM for my mobo, I swapped them for the Corsair ones which are on the QVL.
Here's what I did so far:
>Clear CMOS and Qflash the card
>Tried different slots with a single stick of RAM
>Reseat the CPU and untighten the CPU cooler a bit
>Checked the cables connections to the mobo and PSU
It’s currently turned on with two sticks in the A2/B2 slots. It’s been on for about an hour as I’ve read that DDR5 can take quite some time to train.

>>105949200
you need to update the bios, if you did it maybe try again, it could have failed

>>105949226
I did Qflash it multiple times with the last version, but I'll try with another one.

Why this thread is so water cooling oriented?

>>105949284
Children and low IQ love style over substance.

>>105949284
consoom

>>105949241
Maybe try another usb stick, preferably some smaller one. Also are you sure you used the right port for flashing on the MB?

>>105949303
I did use the right port as the PC turned and the Qflash LED lit up. Will try with another stick.

>>105949284
It looks cooler but I don't like that they don't just last forever and there is no point if you have amd and don't have an intel housefire anyway.

>>105949284
because it's enthusiast (read high end) heavy and top tier aio costs $70 these days?

>>105949200
>>105949337
Try booting with one stick in A2, test both modules. How long did you wait for the initial memory training to complete? It can take 5~10 minutes.

>>105948473
>Still burns in
>VRR flicker
I will stick to IPS thanks.

>>105949284
Because air coolers aren't quiet enough for some PC builders, having different cooling options is nice.
>>105842180
>>105842276

>>105949418
>air coolers aren't quiet enough
you dumb nigger water cooling is literally air coolers strapped on a heatsink

>>105949418
>AIOs don't have a noisy pump and even more fans than a tower cooler strapped to the radiator
Neato.

>>105949442
The fans in the AIOs can generally run at a lower RPM, and it's the liquid that's transferring heat away from the CPU.
You dumb nigger.

>>105949284
Because a decent air cooler is massive and my Intel Raptor Lake processor is a house fire and can throttle at stock even on water
Not like there's much of a price gap anymore anyways, you can get good 360mm aios for like $50
>>105949294
nigger
>>105949294
faggot

>>105949456
Looks like I touched a nerve. Child or low IQ? Don't answer that we all know the answer is both.

>>105949468
I will fuck (rape) you until you love me

>>105949284
AIOs are super easy to install. Heatsinks are gay.

>>105949479
Calm down saar you are building bad karma your next life you will have no chance to be brahmin.

>>105949449
>noisy pump
Most AIOs allow people to set custom pump speeds, the same can be said for the fan noise.
Dual tower air coolers reached their marketable performance peak (D-15 G2 being about 3°C better than G1).
That's why Noctua is designing an AIO.

>finally pulled the trigger on a GTX 1080 Ti to upgrade the GTX 660 in my 12 year old computer
>it's bottlenecked by my i5-3570k so badly it makes literally 0 difference

>>105949533
Why do poorfags always make the worst decisions? You make it worse for yourself somehow. You've been waiting 12 years and you couldn't afford to build even a low tier computer? There is no point in replacing a single part after a decade.

>>105949533
i think you should use google before you make retarded purchases

>>105949533
Keep an eye out for some of the cheaper RTX 20/30 cards, driver support for GTX 900 and 1000 cards will end after 580.
We're at 576 atm.

>>105949551
I could easily afford an entirely new PC and am now considering it just so I can actually use the 1080 ti. I just thought it would be fun to pimp out my old but perfectly functional PC, so fuck you alright buddy?

>>105949554
I knew going in my CPU would bottleneck the GPU but I didn't expect it to make literally 0 difference

>>105949575
you are either underage or a third worlder and i am now ending this conversation

>>105949585
*continues the conversation*

now what

>>105949589
clever girl...

>>105949589
*cums on your ancient cpu*
>this somehow makes it run faster
You're welcome, don't spend it all in one place.

>>105949403
>>105949226
I flashed it with another USB and an older BIOS.Turned on with a single stick in A2, still nothing after 20 mins. Will try with the other and then try the same with B2.

it's a monitor coming from fedex
from california
there is a non 0% chance that it's been punted like a football several times on its journey
i hope it has no dead pixels or damage.

>>105949533
>GTX 1080 Ti
Dumbass decision, you'd legit be better off with even a 2060 super or vega 64 in 2025

>>105943041 (OP)
>>105929358 (me)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JxGvt3
Thanks, everyone!
I've been asking for advice on a lot of things over the past few weeks, and I'm finally posting from my new PC! The hard work is done... just waiting on a new GPU now.
Really appreciate all the help. Thanks again!

>>105949721
Those fan cables floating around irk me but grats.

>>105949721
Did you use the fan hub? Looks like your system's fine without it.
Congrats on the new build.

>>105949738
If you mean the exhaust one, it was the only way... [spoiler]to have the logo facing the right way[/spoiler]
>>105949772
Yes, I didn't want to risk have more than three fans chained and is cleaner in a way without too many cables on the MOBO

>>105949721
People unironicaly like this gypsy shit? You could have easily bought a nice fractal north instead of this underage retard box.

>>105949813
NTA, Fractal North's 240mm radiator limit for the top panel is a deal breaker.
They're upselling the XL cases.

>>105949454
Just get a BIGGER air cooler instead of pumping fucking coolant around until it dies in 4 years

>>105949813
Just wanted to try the popular thing once...

>>105949533
Why? You could have a 5500/b450 for like $150 and ddr4 would be like $40. Are you in brazil or something?

Is AMDip real?

>>105949949
if I was gonna get a new mobo I would just build a completely new modern computer. Which I'm probably gonna do now.

The idea was to max out my mobo (https://www.newegg.com/asus-p8b75-v-atx-intel-motherboard-intel-b75-lga-1155/p/N82E16813131835) - I already have an i5-3570k which is only slightly worse than a i7-3770k (best in slot for LGA 1155), and 24 GB RAM (don't ask)

Anyways, if/when I build a new PC I'll put the 1080 in that, put the 660 back in this and let my daugher play Roblox on it

>>105949953
I don't think so, it's people with unstable manual OCs blaming the platform.
The comparison is between 12900K and the 7800X3D.

Is there anyone here who owns a Arc B580 and tell me how's the experience using it?

>4090 performance for $550
Are you ready to apologize to Jensen yet? What he said will soon be reality.

https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu-displays/nvidia-neural-texture-compression-delivers-90-vram-savings-with-dxr-1-2/

>>105950082
Google the specific games you play, your experience is going to wildly vary by title/engine. If that doesn't check out, it's more of a cheaper "enthusiast" card.
Not the b580 but the cheaper arc cards are the preferred budget options for certain workloads

I would just throw that away it's not even worth the power draw

I was going to build my computer this coming black friday but now I don't think it's a good idea. Seems like a lot of tech innovations are coming in 2026, noctua is doing an AIO, the 50 series refreshes and some big monitor tech. Seems like a waste when I could just wait another year or two and build something way better.

>>105950147
I can't wait for the 5050ti. $350 and only 250w

>>105950181
It's always a bad time to buy anon. We have a 6mo-1yr new shit is out cycle. Just buy mid/mid-low range and you'll never be dissapointed.

>>105949953
NVIDIA's driver API doesn't like it when apps with hardware monitoring features such as Afterburner/RTSS, HWInfo, and CapFrameX request the video card's power readings.
The infamous one is Afterburner's "Power Percent" sensor. Disable all NVIDIA GPU power monitoring if you want the best performance.

People with 4090s and 5090s are blaming AMDip instead of this shit.

>>105950181
Depends on your current setup, if it's still okay then definitely wait for the Zen6 and 60 series, both are supposed to quite large jumps. much better than 50 series or Zen5

>>105950147
I have to say that I can get a 3070 (Ti) for about the same price so I am hesitating between these two.

>>105950215
>HWInfo
I just downloaded this..

>>105949953
maybe on windows

>>105949200
>>105949403
>>105949628
Still nothing after I tried with single sticks on A2 and B2. I reset BIOS and CMOS after each try and waited 20 mins each time.I'm starting to suspect a dead MB or CPU

>>105950242
Go to the video card section and press [Del] on all the power-related sensors if you don't want to lose performance while HWInfo is running in the background.
>GPU Power
>GPU Rail Powers (and everything nested within it)
>Total GPU Power [% of TDP]
>Total GPU Power (normalized)

The voltage monitoring sensors should be fine; this is the one to keep an eye on if you're worried about a 4090 or 5090 connector melting (GPU 12VHPWR Voltage sensor).

>>105950272
Return all three components (board, CPU, & memory kit) if you can.
Not worth trying to test one part at a time as you get the replacements.

You're probably right that the memory kit is fine; it's very unlikely to end up with 2 dead memory sticks.

>>105950216
My computer is almost 12 years old using a gtx960. But I only play indie games so it doesn't really matter. I'll probably just ride it until the wheels come off.

>>105947631
> Mini-ITX
Who made you believe this would be a good idea for a high performance gaming setup?

just got a x870 gigabyte stealth ice mobo, why is it that I constantly have to figure out new layouts and options everytime a manufacturer decides to update the BIOS UI? before I had no issue with using MSI and tweaking settings to undervolt my 9800X3D

>>105950147
>neural texture compression
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgglMMuDwRM
20% performance hit on a 4070 Super. This is only going to usable on cards that already have enough VRAM.

>>105950345
A tranny online told me sff was cute CUTE

>>105943041 (OP)
>no ram
lmao

>>105947721
I have a 9070xt and play 4k all the time

>mid range GPU is $500 still doesn't do 4k and only does demanding 1440p with DLSS
whoa mama

>>105950496
You voted for this.

>>105950233
What about a 2080ti? That's about the same price in the United States and would be faster/similar to a 3070ti + you wont' be cucked by a lack of memory. If it's not a blower card you could push a 2080ti pretty high with overclocking, outside of like the first batch I remember Turing being pretty reliable
If I was trying to buy budget my list would go :
2070/super
2080ti
3080
And after that a new 5060ti or 5070

>>105950407
Cope and seethe
The hit will be 100% on the Radeon RX 9070 because they won't have an alternative for 3 generations and games will need 100 gb minimum of ai based "real enough memory"

>>105950496
Trust the plan.

[The plan is get more indians]

>>105950509
>>105950581
I think I'm going to have this shitty reference 2070 super for another 6 years at this point. Guess it works out because all new AAA games suck dick anyways.

>>105950512
But I buy mu cards with the microcenter warranty so I can kill the card and get my money back anytime within 2 years. This allows me to get all the moneyback with zero depreciation and helps keep used cards off the market.

Do modern boards not have a dedicated power connector for the CPU or something? Call me retarded if you have to but there used to be an 8-pin connector near the CPU

>>105950604
I still haven't beat red dead 2 or even played witcher 3 despite owning it for years lol

>>105950615
like this

>>105950496
I give up, with what one of the upper cards cost i can redecorate a whole room and the 90 series i can buy an used CAR
I'm going to ignore this shit for ~5 more years
whatever, fuck AAA, fuck AI, fuck everything

>>105950619
I buy games on steams sales that I can't even play. Don't know why, they just keep piling up and I keep telling myself one day it will be worth it and I'll play all of them.

>>105950651
>When i retire i can finally enjoy life
>Dies*
...life is hell isn't it?

>>105950615
>>105950621
there are two in the left upper corner

>>105950697
I saw those, but then saw those are "procool power connectors" which I don't even know what that is lol

>>105950707
the intern that made that image doesn't know what those are either

>>105950707
That's some new funny Asus marketing bullshit.
>>105950651
Don't feed the steam fattie, anon. At this point their sales are not even sales, they are just scam.
>>105950316
On such builds the biggest problems are usually not enough RAM and having a slow HDD. If you have enough RAM and some decent SSD you can probably well survive until 2027 or even later

>>105950622
>I'm going to ignore this shit for ~5 more years
Things will only get worse. TSMC is expected to charge twice as much for the 2nm processors.

>https://youtu.be/onbEUKqlgqE
>blackbird pc tech x fc
is blackbird pc tech hated by pcbg now too? let's find out!
I just missed 2 hours

>>105950858
i don't know who that is but i'm sure you will help us find out soon

>>105948886
Bios was fully updated. I can get any supported RAM capacity as long as all sticks come form the same kit. My issue is mixing multiple kits, for example 2 64GB kits to get 128GB. I can run with either 64 separately, but any mixed combination doesn't even boot.

>>105950615
It's right here

>>105947763
It will boot with just 1 kit. But I actually do work that requires more RAM, not just BING BING WAHOOOOOO!!!! in 4K.

>>105947807
At least 30 minutes since I left to do something else. It wasn't training since I could see the RAM error light lit up on the board.

Best way to check health of SSDs and m.2 SSDs on windows?

>>105950925
>i don't know who that is
of course you don't, you only watch the main stream slop channels, I'm half way sure it's been posted before here long time ago now, not checked his content in a minute but he does max oc content and shit
git gud and so on and so forth
Jofoos privated the live stream so now I can't watch the shit, guess I will watch it later

Finally upgrading after 6 years to my first 1440p monitor, and I have a budget of £150. Are any of the following three worth it? I'm gonna end up giving it away to my brother or it ends up as second monitor when black friday comes around though.

>inb4 curve
I know but, it's because I'm replacing it in a couple of months.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0D967GW2X
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Odyssey-LS27CG552EUXXU-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B0CP851QXD
https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-27CQ6F-Curved-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B0CTHQH2Y9

>>105950995
>not checked his content in a minute but he does max oc content and shit
if he's anything like jufes he has no idea what he's doing
so i'm not interested

try the e-celeb board

>>105950942
Only about month ago there were bios updates for AM5 MBs that improved the memory for 4 sticks configurations. Before that getting 256GB was probably impossible in most cases, and other 4 stick configs were also hard to run.
You can check if both kits have the same dies, one might be Hynix-A and other Hynix-M for example, this might cause trouble. Other than that there is not much you can do, you can sell both kits and buy a single kit of 4 sticks, they should work fine.

>>105950019
>I don't think so, it's people with unstable manual OCs blaming the platform.
Jofoos claims the ceiling for the amdip has risen, for amdips you are now talking about dipping for 500-600 fps in esports down to 300-350 fps
people below 500hz esports levels most likely won't be affected by the dip, as it's getting harder and harder to detect, aka not for casuals
however this goes against his other claims when he was benchmarking that jedi game or whatever and said it was amdippin' at like 80fps when it was loading in assets or some shit
also another point of contention is his own stats even showed 9800x3d winning in lows and averages in general too, but his new spin off last time was that intel was still faster in asset loading and recovering from the so called dip, it takes longer for the x3d to stabilize back up but intel has lower fps but loads in assets or some shit?
since there has not been any fresh schizo content regarding the dip for like months or year(s) now nobody knows

tldr buy a 9800x3d and a 14900k system and test it yourself to find out TheTruth™

>>105949953
Nobody knows unless you tested it yourself

>>105951023
>he has no idea what he's doing
Do you 1. Test it yourself or 2. Do you suck mainstream techtuber cock? List your fav techtubers, I am eager ot know

>so i'm not interested
this guy
https://www.youtube.com/@blackbirdpctech/

>>105951049
The motherboard was bought and updated 2 weeks (less than a month) ago. I ended up using a kit with 96GB capacity, but I'd like to know if the tech will advance to the point I can just slap another pair in with a bios update later on in the future, the same way I used to with DDR4.

>>105951081
>List your fav techtubers
lmao
>this guy
i said i'm not interested
>buy my course!
now i'm even less interested

>>105951020
They're all similar VA panels; get the one that's been extensively reviewed and calibrated by others.

>>105948293
it's a 200 nits in sdr and 800 nits in hdr, 2x the nits of oled monitors still

>>105948047
is it worth sacrifice qd and 120hz for though is the question

>>105947890
you also lose DV going with the xg but probably pointless, if it was on a deal maybe
not convinced if going smaller is worth it for the ppi, 32 was already sufficient and you lose even more screen
will try to see if any retail store has it on demo
idk if 27" will be that fun

>>105951020
>buying a monitor for a couple of months
you having a giggle m8?

>>105950651
And then 10 years go by and you never plan on playing an (((OK))) game from 2013

What happened to laptop advice?

I'm putting a 360mm aio on a 9600x because I want to get a zen 6 cpu when they come out next year. Am I retarded for doing so? Should i just put my stock stealth cooler on it instead?

>>105943649
>>105943579
Well, you didn't post one, so I'll post a throwaway of mine: MajoraZ0000@gmail.com

Email me if you're still interested in buying!

>>105943509
>>105943509
>>105943509
bumping this as well in the event the above anon doesn't reach out

>>105951668
Yes, if you have one. The X chips do not come with them last I checked

>>105951716
They don't

>>105943509
>Where do people typically sell PC parts?
eBay, Facebook Marketplace, Craigslist

>How much would you charge for it, about what I listed it as?
I would check the recently sold listings on eBay, both in new and used condition.
The parts are too old for the new/used distinction to matter much imo.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=8700K&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=z370+motherboard&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_odkw=8700K&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=ddr4+3000+cl16&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_odkw=z370+motherboard&_osacat=0&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Deepcool+Castle+240EX&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_odkw=ddr4+3000+cl16&_osacat=0&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1

Is there any reason to get the more expensive RAM kit?

>$96
>Teamgroup T-Force Vulcan 6000MHz CL30 32gb (2x16)

or

>$116
>G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 6000MHz CL30 32gb (2x16)

mobo: msi tomahawk x870
cpu: ryzen 7 9800x3d
gpu: radeon 7800xt

>>105951742
aesthetics
cooler size, tall ones can hit the cpu cooler
better cas timings

>>105944022
>>105943973
1080p is unusable for web browsing, spread sheets, programming, CAD, reading service manuals, word processing, etc...

1200 is minimum vertical pixels

>>105951742
between those two, no

>>105950512
I'll aim for the 2080 Ti, I can get it for 250 EUR or less, thanks for the advice!

https://www.techpowerup.com/339045/asus-proart-display-6k-pa32qcv-thunderbolt-4-monitor-comes-in-late-august-at-usd-1299
>ASUS today announced late-August availability of ProArt Display PA32QCV, a professional-grade 32-inch 6K (6016 x 3384) display designed for content creators. PA32QCV offers Delta E<2 color accuracy, 98% DCI-P3 gamut, and 218 pixels per inch (ppi)
>Other features include built-in Auto KVM for effortless switching between two connected laptops or PCs with a single keyboard and mouse, as well as extensive connectivity including dual Thunderbolt 4 with 96-watt Power Delivery, DisplayPort, HDMI, and a USB hub. PA32QCV will be available for US$1299.
LCD makers, feeling the heat from OLED, are now finally juicing their resolutions to stay in the conversation.
MAKE IT 8K YOU COWARDS.

>>105952204
>8k
That will be $2500 plus tax :^)

>>105949642
update
it was not delivered
i've been dicked by fedex for the umpteenth time

>>105949413
IPS gets VRR flicker too

>>105948520
I'm calling BS on this one

>>105952260
when he said 4k he meant 4k (la forma de 540p upscaled)

https://www.techpowerup.com/339012/samsung-and-sk-hynix-delay-ddr4-memory-phase-out-amidst-unexpected-demand
>Late last month, we reported an unexpected surge in DDR4 DRAM chip spot-pricing, just as leading memory chipmakers in Taiwan and South Korea announced plans to phase out the standard, leaving behind residual inventories to deal with leftover demand. It turns out that the nearly 1 decade-long market presence of the DDR4 standard, beginning with the 2013 6th Gen Intel Core "Skylake" processor, and continuing on until 14th Gen Core "Raptor Lake Refresh," along with AMD Ryzen Socket AM4 along the way, meant that there are simply too many devices out there with DDR4 memory and users looking for upgrades.
>Digitimes now reports that South Korean memory chipmakers such as SK Hynix and Samsung Electronics, have put on hold their phase-out plans for DDR4 chips, and may continue supply until they see spot pricing sufficiently falling behind that of DDR5
DDR4 is the Windows XP of Memory Standards.


>>105952237
That sucks man.

>>105952274
i called pajeet central for some information on the status a few times today. the first guy said it's not actually out for delivery even though it says it is. then pajeet 2 said it's out for delivery and he's going to send a message to the driver to delivery today (i laughed in his fucking face) and pajeetress 3 said she'd put a note on my tracking number so it gets escalated blah blah blah

they definitely just lost it or something. i should've bought this monitor for 100 bucks more through amazon. it would've at least arrived.

>>105952204
professionals don’t use OLED anyway, this is a workstation monitor

>>105952204
Seems well priced not that 99% of people would benefit from something like this imo

>>105952204
pure retardation

>>105952342
Im under the assumption that 240hz+ consumer monitors have good enough colors for pro color work and these "pro" models are entirely redundant these days.

>oh yeah I can really make a better... something by having 200 ppi over 160

>>105952304
I'm not a professional, but if I was, I would be requesting and using an OLED. The color accuracy, gamut/volume, and lack of off-axis gamma/chroam shift on top of native 10-bit processing would be essential if I were doing any sort of photo/video grading work. Plus when it burns out you just depreciate it as a tax benefit for the business. I heard many broadcast industry folks were upset when Sony replaced their flagship TRIMASTER EL OLEDs (that were true-RGB) with their current dual-layer LCDs a long while back.

>>105952342
Someone wrote this in the comments
>the thinking behind the 6K resolution is so that you can use it at 200% scaling, which results in 3008 x 1692, that turns out to be ~108 PPI, which is almost the same as a 27" at 2560x1440 (108.8 PPI) (but with much better clarity obviously).
>So that 200% fits Mac users, since they need exact scaling. And then anyone else who wants more stuff on their screen (running Windows I guess), can use it with lower scaling like 175% or even 150%.
>For example at 150% scaling, this will result in 4011 x 2256 at ~144PPI, which is a tiny bit more density than a 31.5" at 4K (UHD) at 100% (140 PPI)
Which makes sense I guess. Still likely using FRC to fake 10-bit + 60Hz due to bandwidth constraints, we really need HDMI 2.2 (96 Gbps) or GPMI (192 Gbps) adoption like yesterday.

>>105952427
seems a bit insane to me that people fix apples software with extremely expensive hardware instead of fixing the software

Should I remove any pre-installed standoffs from my case before putting the motherboard in, or can I just leave them all in?

>>105952427
>>105952342
>>105952204
>>105952215
>>105952427
>>105952440
>>105952304
I've actually been looking into Asus Proart monitors as something for both color sensitive photo work and gaming, since the PA27UCGE supports both 3D luts, 100% DCIP3 and 98% adobe RGB, and has 165hz and a good response time (though in gray-to-gray, so I'm not sure exactly how good it is), but I can't even find out if the damn thing is out yet, much less find detailed reviews of it

>>105952451
consult the mobo manual

>>105952427
Still very niche but I can see that for productivity uses. Nvidia will make a card that can run that monitor for games with DLSS only for 30k.
>we really need HDMI 2.2 (96 Gbps) or GPMI (192 Gbps) adoption like yesterday.
Its crazy how slow they are to roll these out higher speed standards when 4k high refresh rate monitors/TVs have been around for a while.

Hey friends, I'm looking for any suggestions on upgrading my toaster (or building a new rig would be the most logical choice, huh). I don't mind picking up used parts so suggestions on reliable/tolerable places to find them would be great (ebay?).
I do not video edit nor play current AAA games so I'm looking to stay on win7 and 1080p 60fps fine with me. I just want to build a decent rig and futureproof it for another long while like this current rig has lasted me.
Also any advice on storage? ATM I use a stupid small SSD for my OS and a 3TB external for storage (manga anime movies games the usual). The external has lasted a surprising long time. I figure I'll probably be okay grabbing a cheap 1TB SSD for OS and whatever games I'm currently playing, that sort of thing.
I am an extremely poor person so the cheaper the better. I figure with some used parts I could probably build something decent for <=$750. I already have monitors/keyboard/mouse. Most expensive items would be what, storage/CPU/GPU? Maybe the logistics of a new case, maybe a new mobo. Advice on what to buy new and used would be cool too. Just thinking out loud.

>tl;dr help me build a windows 7 60fps 1080p 4chan browsing device
Thank you xoxo

>>105952534
It doesn't say shit, other than showing me where the mounting screws have to be.
Doesn't mention anything about extra standoffs already in place. I'm guessing it's ok, doesn't look like they interfere with anything, but I'll see when I try to actually put it in place

>>105952592
Sorry I don't know much about this stuff so I can't help but I am curious. If you are using such old tech to play old games why upgrade? What do you want to do that you can't do right now?

>>105952592
you could buy some cheap laptop

A cheap system today made from new parts that has longevity would be
am5 mobo, 32gb ddr5 (important for chrome tabs)
9600x type cpu with thermalright cooler
750w psu
lian li cases are cheap?
5060 type gpu
2tb nvme

Im not sure what you can cheap out on beyond that you dont regret later and then start spending extra money.
Cheaper gpus are just shittier, less energy efficient, less future games support.
Less storage gets annoying when you need it as media sizes get larger and larger.
Less cpu doesnt save you that much and system would be less response.
Less ram is annoying if you start needing more later when you browse on chrome.
You also want a relatively decent case since a good airflow and such helps with noise and perf.

>>105952274
DDR5 has no reason to exist, CPUs don't need that much bandwidth unless you're running some niche/synthetic AVX-512 workload
with all the problems associated with DDR5 (long boot times, stability, compatibility) it's no wonder people want to stick with DDR4

>>105952644
ddr5 exists to support higher core count cpus and to fix fundamental performance bottlenecks in ddr4

>>105952592
this is ancient damn
your best bet is probably looking for used am4 parts, probably won't be able to get 5800x3d since it's still overpriced, might be able to find 5700x3d for a decent price
as for gpu, new b580 or try your luck with used 3000 series
both of these should leave you with around 250 for everything else which will be tight, 100 bucks case, ~50 on psu, ~50 on mobo, spare change on ssd
ask chatgpt for mobo options and check whatever is available
win7 is a meme

>>105952672
i forgot the ram, but it should be cheap too

Next:
>>105952690
>>105952690
>>105952690

>>105952274
i told you countless times, ddr5 based platforms are just not cheap enough to justify their "superior" performance yet
going for a zen 3/12th gen intel is enough for 99% of the (((content))) out there, thats why i shit on the retard calling am4 eos

>>105952672
> 5700x3d for a decent price
costs more than 9600x today, aliexpress ones went from 180€ to 350€
>new b580 or try your luck with used 3000 series
redundant after 5060 launch, 3000 series uses 3x watts per frame which presumably matters for poors energy bills

>>105952670
>ddr5 exists to support higher core count cpus
HEDT platforms have quad channel memory controllers and consumer platforms cap out at 32 threads
>fix fundamental performance bottlenecks in ddr4
no such thing

no platform you can buy today meaningfully benefits from DDR5

>>105952706
14700K for $300
refurbished MSI Z690-A for $100
used 3200C14 sticks for $80

free performance hack

>>105952708
>presumably matters for poors energy bills
Thats me im a sucker for efficiency. My 32TB server runs at 40watts everything included even while transcoding. GPUs have been so power hungry I would love to see a shift towards efficiency.

>>105952719
>no such thing
ddr4 leaves a lot of performance on the table in 1R configuration and you need 2R to get the most out of it. ddr5 fixes this and gives you very near the theoretical performance even with 1R

>>105952739
>ddr4 leaves a lot of performance on the table in 1R configuration and you need 2R to get the most out of it
right so just get 2R
high-speed dual-rank DDR4 isn't a problem, but high-speed dual-rank DDR5 is
so you're effectively forced into single-rank for DDR5 and DDR4 is so cheap that you have no reason to go for single-rank

>>105952592
You'll want a B450 or an X470 motherboard, which will have Windows 7 drivers and also have BIOS Flash option that will allow you to update the BIOS without CPU installed.
A B450 Tomahawk motherboard can have its BIOS updated to the latest beta version to support CPUs like the 5700X, 5700X3D, or 5800X3D.

Here is a sample build without the video card, you need to buy a video card that has Windows 7 driver support.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fKgwb2

You will need a different motherboard if you plan to get the 5700X3D, but it's probably out of your budget and overkill.

>>105952743
Most ddr4 systems run 1R because of prebuilts cheaping out and they're effectively gimped all their life. And going 2R for performance reasons means having to pay for more capacity you don't need. Not to mention most sunset stage ddr4 has such high capacity that you can end up with 2x16gb kits that are 1R which perform badly.
And 2R ddr5 works perfectly if you stick to a single dual rank stick per 64bit channel

>>105952592
To add on >>105952771 , check this list for boards with BIOS Flash feature if you plan to get a 5700X3D.
Visit the board's official support page to confirm they have W7 drivers.

>>105952771
is theres a point to entertaining some windows 7 fantasy for the future

>>105952776
>And 2R ddr5 works perfectly if you stick to a single dual rank stick per 64bit channel
on AMD it works fine since you're gonna stick to 6000-6400 anyway, there's only one platform where you really have a choice
but i promise if AMD had released zen 4 and zen 5 for AM4 most people would have gone with that and it would have performed just as well as AM5 (B550/X570 boards were overspecced for zen 3)

>>105952781
IDK what you're asking, I'm just sharing a possible W7 build because you asked for one.
The video cards listed in >>105952760 are all too old.

Radeon RX 6600 has some Windows 7 drivers, but support ended in 2022.
https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/graphics/radeon-rx/radeon-rx-6000-series/amd-radeon-rx-6600.html
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/D9ytt6/asrock-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-challenger-d-video-card-rx6600-cld-8g

Total build cost with the RX 6600 pushes it near $800.

>>105952798
you're likely right because am5 cpus aren't even getting the most out of ddr5 bandwidth because of the ~64gb/s transfer limit of the infinity fabric
i'd only consider intel cpus to be true ddr5 capable cpus

>>105952771
This is another huge help, thank you for this. I actually have a spare new 650w PSU so that'll help me save a little being able to use it.

>>105952844
Radeon RX 6600 mentioned in >>105952812 is arguably the best video card that fits within your budget.
Even used video cards are costly these days, you might be able to get a used 6600 XT (slightly better) like this one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/376395881749

GL.

>>105952844
Windows 7 doesn't natively support NVMe/M.2 drives, you'll have to buy a SATA SSD like a Samsung 870 Evo (pricey) or go through some hoops.
https://winraid.level1techs.com/t/guide-how-to-get-win7-clean-installed-onto-an-nvme-ssd/33363

Edited list with 1TB Evo SSD and removed PSU.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lkr6fd

>>105952837
>i'd only consider intel cpus to be true ddr5 capable cpus
so you have a 14900K
hypothetical application/gaming workload on all cores (not y-cruncher)

P-cores:
5.5 GHz = 5500000000 cycles/s
5500000000*2.5 IPC = 13750000000 instr/s
let's say 10% of instructions are loads or stores, and the average load size is 4 bytes
13750000000*0.1*4 = 5500000000 b/s = 5 gb/s

E-cores:
4.5 GHz = 4500000000 cycles/s
4500000000*1.5 IPC = 6750000000 instr/s
6750000000*0.1*4 = 2700000000 b/s = 2.5 gb/s

5*8+2.5*16 = 80 gb/s

that's hitting the limit of DDR4, but that's also assuming a 0% cache hitrate
if we have a 50% cache hitrate we only need 40 gb/s, which can easily be sustained by DDR4-3200

now obviously this is just simplified napkin math but i hope it gives you some understanding on why DDR5 is very rarely beneficial
zen 6 or nova lake can change that for sure, but it's not like you're gonna be able to test it yourself anyway

>>105952891
That's okay. I can buy a WD 1TB SATA SSD at my local walmart for ~$72. Bookmarked the link.

>>105952914
Ironically the most bandwidth intensive instruction set is only found on zen4/5 and the 16-core 9950x can chew through the equivalent of ddr5-20000 (128bits) of bandwidth with full bore avx512

>>105952914
i had a 13900ks and hated it. i have a 9800x3d now and don't regret sidegrading one bit

>>105952986
i know
but that's also literally y-cruncher
>>105953001
ok

>>105952914
you have a valid point but real world benchmarks in spider man remastered always favors ddr5-6400 over even ddr4-3600 by over 20% performance difference

>>105953043
don't listen to HUB they're full of shit (they started pushing out content favoring DDR5 right after AM5 came out)
but yes spiderman remastered seems to be one of the few cases where DDR5 is genuinely faster by a significant margin
probably something to do with the streaming tech they're using, everything has to go in and out of RAM when it's getting pushed to the GPU

>>105953065
yeah i dont only listen to them since they're also often pushing agendas
iirc i found the same result on a german benchmarking site too

>>105953124
that result is real, don't get me wrong
but the video HUB did where they said DDR5-4800 C40 was faster than DDR4-3200 C14 was bullshit from beginning to end