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Previous: >>105937364

uh why were people freaking out again?

People are waking up. It seems like /g/ has red pulled the normies. Will the job market finally recover?

i get good morning sir'd at least 3 times a week from Pajeet who still asks me basic questions that he should have learned on his own a year ago.

i can tell he just BS his way through everything, either agreeing and restating what his the other senior says, or "i will schedule a meeting" to figure it out if he doesn't know. he is literally just getting paid 150k to bother people all day.

when will my white management notice he is a dipshit and fire him? its been 2 years.

i want to take over his job and salary.

mounting my 54 inch curved monitor vertically to create a sinister aura in my office

>>105948343
>Pajeet who still asks me basic questions that he should have learned on his own a year ago.
>when will my white management notice he is a dipshit and fire him? its been 2 years.
how about you grow some balls and tell management that he's incompetent, useless and a waste of time?

>have to justify a work trip that I don't really need to go on
I hinted it wasn't necessary go but they insisted, but I still need to justify it to them
wtf

>>105948656
I don’t want to give advice but I’d just tell them I’m sick. Is this a “culture trip” or a “client wants us to be there trip”?

>>105948723
Meeting team members at a different site, so culture trip I guess. It'll be booked in advance with flights and hotel, I can't just fake sick. The worst is I'll be the one having to create and lead the meetings with no agenda. Kind of a precarious situation, but I guess it's to my advantage if they want to waste money on me thinking it's an investment.

>>105948783
>Meeting team members at a different site, so culture trip I guess
I wouldn’t consider that culture, culture to what I’m referring to are those “hey let’s all go to some bum fuck country to bond and discover food to get to know each other better.” Meeting team members does classify as necessary because that’s usually a recommendation from operations managers or HR (even sometimes the bosses themselves). Don’t know what to tell ya, but I don’t think you should skip it unless it’s in a unsafe area you’re going to. Last thing you need is to be put on a company’s shit list and I know how insufferable and petty people in companies can be.

>>105948266 (OP)
>tfw working tech
feels good man

>>105948276
Because the tech graduates employment is mostly mcdonalds

>>105948877
Oh yeah for sure I can go and be chill. I just don't want to drop my spaghetti

>>105948783
>>105948877
>Last thing you need is to be put on a company’s shit list and I know how insufferable and petty people in companies can be.
I was the only one declined the (forced) invitation for one of these and it went about as well as you would expect for the next few months. If you really like the company, do it, otherwise I'm glad I didn't allow myself to get pushed into that shit

i am literally ngmi through this day

It's amazing how one bad hire can ruin a team's culture and turn it into a corpo slop fest

tgif am i right fellas

>trying to leetcode every day because i plan to leave
>boss suddenly starts asking me to manage meetings
>he's giving me multiple work items that will take a couple weeks and expects them all to be done concurrently in a few days
>he'll suddenly realize that there's a cross platform bug with a change he assigned to me when I'm days into implementing it, meaning I have to rewrite everything, break half the tests, and then spend time fixing them
>once I get done and ask for review he does this again
>this has been going on for a few weeks
im tired boss

>>105948343
>getting paid 150k to bother people all day
This is what drives me crazy: competent people can apply for hundreds of jobs and hear nothing. Meanwhile, there are jeets who can hold down good paying jobs for years doing less than nothing. What explains this?

>>105949135
nepotism

>>105948987
Story?

I think I finally got it, anons.

>Exceed expectations for 2 years in a row
>Company is acquired and new owners consider me "very expensive"
>Laid off
>Become contractor
>Get two offers, sign both because why not
>Do the bare minimum to keep them happy and invoice both
>mfw I'm earning more than double
I have less stress because it would be extremely rare to lose both contracts at the same time and not that committed anymore because they do have an end date anyway, and them getting renewed is not assured.

>work in systems
>customers account rep asks me for update on ticket held and worked on solely by network
>this person can see the name of the network admin in the ticketing system
>give him last update from a few days ago
>representative says this is unacceptable and tells me to reach out to the admin for another update
Why the fuck are you asking me instead of the network admin directly

>>105949381
I'm always afraid that if I worked two jobs, a background check sometime down the line would reveal a job that's not on my resume (naturally my resume would only show one of those jobs (?)), and I'd be in trouble

>>105949407
As a contractor I don't care about background checks. My contracts even have a clause specifying I don't have an exclusivity clause and that I can work for any other client.
Managing my Linkedin on the other hand is going to be tricky. I guess I'll put something like "MY ROLES - Independent Contractor" and list all the technologies I have worked with.

>1 year at the company
>no promotion yet aside from a mini salary boost for 2025
It's over isn't it?

Daily reminder.

>>105949507
It's convenient that he's glug glugging the only demographic on earth that still has a generally positive opinion on him: overworked asian tech workers who daydream about moving to the US and running a startup.

>>105949477
>over
Yes. The only variable you can control is your effort.
over

>>105948266 (OP)
eastern yuropoor here, i have a question for other eeu swe that got remote jobs from western europe: How did your jobhunting process go? Did you apply for every JD that fits your tech stach and is remote in any country from the eu? Did you narrow the search to some specifics? I need some help, I reached 5 yoe and i want to jump ship to a western company for much higher net pay than i'd make here as an employee.

>>105949557
we just hired a remote eeu swe because he was recommended to us by someone who already works here
just know the right people

>>105949432
Ah, yes, good for you. I've only ever worked corpo, so it's a given for me that I'm not allowed to work another job.

What's the most insane demand you've received? I'll start:
>big project within the company is being updated
>every person who worked on it originally left
>newly assigned boomer manager assembles the new team
>singles me out during a meeting, for whatever reason
>"could you get this thing documented by tomorrow so we know what to do?"
>it takes me ten seconds to process what just happened, only to blurt out "nope"
>ten more seconds of silence ensue, guy goes "alright we'll figure it out along the way"

>Giving about 20% effort on everything
>boss keeps giving me max marks anyways
tech is a meme

>>105948266 (OP)
Good morning saars

>>105949536
I actually am supposed to be overperforming according to everyone which is why it's extra confusing I didn't get promoted
I'm gonna directl ask for it on Christmas and if they say no I'm gonna start looking for another job, even tho I love this one

>>105949632
You thought it was "work hard play hard" when really you worked hard and got played hard.

>>105949836
I had a recruiter who fed me the "work hard, play hard" line for a job. I took it because I didn't have a degree and it was the only company that was going to hire me. These mfers work 12 hour days, and sometimes have a LAN party where everyone drinks a whole two beers. That job fucking sucked.

>>105949918
>These mfers work 12 hour days, and sometimes have a LAN party where everyone drinks a whole two beers.

if thats a real story thats the funniest thing ive ever read lmao

I am so fucking bored. What do you guys do on slow days WFH?

>>105950065
i torture llms with pointing out where and why they failed

>>105950048
It's real unfortunately.

>>105949836
>You thought it was "work hard play hard" when really you worked hard and got played hard.
it's not really "work hard" for me. I'm just autistic and treat my job as a hobby, which is why I'm good at it. But if I don't get any recognition for it long term I obviously don't plan to stay. I can't cope with being stuck in the same place for prolonged periods, feels like I'm getting nowhere in my life

>>105950503
nta, I can relate. I have an autistic obsession to git gud at whatever I'm doing and I get frustrated when I'm forced to fuck ass around with asinine faggotry. The majority of the jobs I've left is because on some level I had felt the asinine faggotry was impeding my desire to git gud. The reason why I had wanted to git gud is so I'm able to open my own business and run the show myself. However upon reflection, almost all of the companies I've worked for had a codebase that was held together by what I'd consider slightly above thoughts & prayers™. I should've been running my own show years ago had I known just how low the bar is for software to make money. I'm a decent dev, so I could probably do the work of the 3 monkey's they usually pay to write this shit. So yeah, making a living on my own terms is a way more fulfilling objective to me than navigating a corporate hellscape. You might have a similar story yourself.

>>105950644
In this economy starting a business is really scary tbqh
And my current best business idea is B2C which is doubleplus scary since the "we use AI" meme doesn't work as well on consoomers anymore (if at all)
And starting a business alone is additionally scary. I do have a friend I could do it with, but I'm too much of a pussy to quit my job until the business is running *really* well.

Currently my plan is to round the company, get a decent amount of ownership say 30% or so, and then work behind the scenes while working full time at my company. If the business doesn't take off oh well too bad, if it does I will just quit to focus on it full time
>why not just work both at the same time
Unironically illegal in my cunt, at least without notifying the employer and getting permission

>>105950861
>round the company
Found*

>>105949404
because you're a little beta bitch he can cajole into jobbing for him

>>105948276
>2022-2023

>>105949610
GM, sir,,,
Quick call?

ready for the weekend, /twg/?

Just a few more minutes then it’s the weekend.

>>105951238
>>105951243
HELL yeah motha fuckas

>>105951359
>>105951243
>>105951238
nigga its 2pm on a tuesday

Retards it's 12am Saturday, go to sleep

THEY GOT THE WHOLE THING BLOCKED OFF

SOFTWARE ENGINEER
CLOUD OPS
SYSTEMS SECURITY

THEY GOT EVERY GOD DAMN MOTHER FUCKIN ENTRY LEVEL BLOCKED OFF

*flips indian off*

>>105951509
entry level EVERYTHING is blocked off, not even just in tech anymore

>>105951509
Trust the plan.

>>105951202
Saar you are in the airplane mode turn off the pilot light on the windows to connect to the kindly teams

>wanna use the Udemy Business license for something unrelated to my area
>fear that higher ups may notice and something bad happens
Has anyone here ever done that?

god damn i need to take a shit but i'm on call and i know i'll get paged for an outage or whatever as soon as i sit on the toilet...

>>105952061
Just hover poop then, idiot.

Im done interviewing. Literally acing interviews and still not getting offers. It feels dumb to keep trying. Going to code cpp and make games for the next year. If I can’t get a game dev job or make a profitable game in one year I am learning to weld.

>wasted time using ChatGPT and Grok for projects when I should have been using Cursor

By now I just think manual coding is fucking done for. As deprecated as the horse and buggy. With it, humans using their brain to run the economy (in time).

>>105952166
Don't count on it. AI can't really figure out the best way to implement a solution despite spitting out something that may be a valid alternative.

>>105952165
>game dev
Sir your job was offshored

>>105952166
Aren't vibe coders just retards creating a forest they have no idea how to navigate? Manual is the only way to go. All these self coding start ups are failing for a reason.

>>105952177
At the moment it is cooperative with us, we test it and give it improvements and direction. In less than 10 years the shit will probably be running everything.

Luckily, I personally believe the people needed least by our new robot overlords will be the typical power structures and people controlling the world (global finance, WEF, etc.)

>>105952234
You may have a point there, because it is cooperative they still need to know what they're doing.

>>105952234
Yeah, but the thing is the smart ones figure out ways to navigate the forest. If you're capable of isolating the issues and keep some notes, you're pretty much fine.

>>105952189
Then I will be welding. At this point its more about taking a year to actually work on software I care about after suffering making trash with shitty coworkers for 15 years in this stupid fucking industry.

>>105952262
They won’t know what they are doing just like people can’t navigate without gps.

>>105952295
At that point you're just programming like the rest of us. There is huge upside in having something that can narrow in your misery and bounce ideas from instead of desperately praying stackoverflow question has someone who solved this problem and not 3 people saying they have the same problem, but you still need the skillset.

>>105952416
Actual programmers rtfs/rtfm I haven’t used so/tutorials in 10 years.

>>105952469
Couldn't be me. Neva eva. I will bash my skull against the wall until it works or I die. That's programming baby.

>>105949507
>jeets WILL replace you and you WILL accept it

>>105949507
>Poverty makes for a motivated employee
Wow, you cracked in Elon. Good job.

>>105949507
>casually admitting its all about reducing american wages

>>105951925
Its already paid for so you can use it for whatever you want.

idk if i'm gonna make it

>>105952687
elaborate

>>105952702
i'm so fucking exhausted

starting omscs next month. any /g/ooners been through the program?

>company lunch off site
>don't wanna drive so carpool with jeet because he offers
>he doesn't know how to start his car
>turns out he carpools with someone else to work so its not his car
>I start it for him (should've just gotten out at this point)
>drives 20mph over in residential
>drives 20mph under on freeway (in the fast lane)
>doesn't look when merging and we almost get merked by a semi truck
>somehow make it back in one piece
>realize his check engine light is on
>don't mention it to him and just get out

friday night... time to...
do nothing again

>>105952787
based

>>105952727
I am also starting omscs next month. I previously did it part time and have 3 classes done. Its quality. Its hard though be warned. I am doing 3d graphics with a mix of ai. Going full time since I am laid off but have a big enough bag to not work for a year. Figure a full time masters looks better than a straight gap or taking some shit tier job post fagman/mag7 which apparently I have been cut out of but at least I made a bag.

>Intel announces MASSIVE layoffs: 5,500+ employees impacted

>>105953053
wtf happened to that company anyway

>>105953091
They bet on cpu instead of gpu. Losers lose.

Dude I know the coworking space you go to in Palo Alto. I'm going to fuck you up. You can't keep doing this.

>>105953119
Yeah without that crypto money they had nothing left to invest into the rest of there product lines. AMD notably was the first to win in crypto before it shifted to Invidia what resulted was they had enough extra money for R&D to dump into CPU's that can crush Intel on the server market. Xeon is great but having more cores like Eypc allowed for massive consolidation of hardware, especially since virtualization was a mature tech back then but with ass loads of cores available it made a massive difference.

Other factors too with TSMC vs Intel in the background, chiplet designs and the gamble that is now paying off with 3D stacking.

Intel also lost apple so that is a massive blow to their sales.

>>105953140
erm

lmao everyone really piling into the whole Coldplay fiasco

The Phillies did a whole skit today about it
>PHILADELPHIA - Phillie Phanatic was trying to enjoy a night at Citizens Bank Park when the Phillies Kiss Cam caught him with an unidentified female mascot.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1752894401925331.webm

>>105953156
He's in this thread and I know he saw me at the coworking space. Would have been cool if he didn't say specific names and places but he went ahead and posted about it

>>105953164

>>105953164
>>105953169
I love people
ya ya reddit wholesome whatever

>>105952687
i feel you man

It was fine when he was just shitposting about it. But he clearly saw me at the table and posted about it. Aww fuck man. Basically dox'd me. Like wtf

>>105951925
You can use it for anything. Whoever manages it can check in and see what you've done.
I mostly get flack for not using it at all.

>>105953164
this has gotta be some kind of astroturfed psyop viral marketing thing. who has even heard of that company before and now it's getting memed on by the MLB? highly suspect

>>105953211
Accidental viral marketing. You're too paranoid about stuff. What you think they paid off Coldplay and made them get in on the whole thing?

>>105953167
so you're friends now? nice

>>105953253
>coldplay
I could see them needing money

>>105953285
I want to avoid this fucker and he keeps following me and posting about it on /twg/

46.32523521104424, -112.94500892877537

>>105953367
At least post coordinates to a nice place in StL, Jennings is a nigger shithole

learn a trade

>>105953405
I thought the tradies had to learn to code.

>>105953413
Learn to code meme came from journalists shitting on coal miners losing their jobs. Then journalists started losing their jobs so they got the meme.

>>105953413
All tradies know how to code these days. I had an interview for a plumber gig recently and I dropped the cheeky "I know JavaScript" line in the interview. He told me "Oh cool, my gay retarded niece went to a coding bootcamp. She was a senior developer in 2021. You'd fit right in here." Which is fucking gay, I still want to rock the "boy genius" aura for doing anything more complex than dragging a folder across the screen. Fuck man, I can't even impress guys whose faculties are powered by nothing but sausage rolls and XXXX Gold anymore.

>>105953465
The problem is trades do not pay enough to support a family in most places coodies live I am literally probably going to end up joining Space Force or ICE

>>105953494
Coast guard aint that bad either if you like working on a boat but want less bullshit than the DOD normally has to give its people.

goodnight /twg/...

>>105953494
i love how even when cooooders "give up" they still demand to be space shuttle door gunners

>>105953590
Night, reddit froggo. Sweet dreams.

>>105953591
Yea because thats what space force does lmao

>>105953590
don't cry anon

Average day in the space force.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7fVTkG3M0

>>105952681
>>105953208
Even for gamedevving?

>>105953683
Yes and btw i have O'Reilly. The most subscribed playlist is gamedev, hacking and business. Not really most peoples jobs in my organization but people like learning what they think is fun or will help them later.

who /OnCall/ this weekend?

>>105953705
I work the weekends so i am on call for the 3 weekdays i do not work. Also this is perma on call. I have to get approval before i leave the state.

>>105951509
An interesting side effect of this I've noticed is insane title bloat.
I've seen companies where the entire team consists SOLELY out of senior and staff devs with 1-2 regular devs lost in the sauce somewhere. And all of these senior and staff devs aside from a few who have extra responsibilities do normal dev work lmfao

>>105954114
Titles used to mean something, so did pay raises. Now we can dangle a title for you to stay for a measly 10k extra for a job that is basically 3 jobs and would 5x your pay if we actually had to pay you its market rate. What's worse is that you are not anymore employable than the janitor with these fancy titles.

>everyone at work codes like a drunken indian
>es6 js is seen as magic
>manager only pushes ai
>go to learning resource is udemy
Every single day I dream about quitting and moving to the countryside.

>>105955183
>webshitter having delusions of superiority over anyone else
Never stops being funny

>>105955301
I can tell you are a midwit.

>>105953253
things that are by far dumber and less beneficial have been faked

>>105949577
checked
>networking
Uuuhhhh

>aced every interview with zero call back or straight up auto-rejection
>half-ass interview because I don't care about the role or the business product and got offered a job each time
>fuck around in my new job and skip work on company time as a tier 1 contractor
>boss makes a personal trip to my desk to hand me by bonus and pay rise
Huh? I felt like this industry rewards people who gets away doing the bare minimum like >>105948343. Internships where I outperform the other interns I got absolutely nothing except suspicious looks from my interviewers. They probably think if this guy is as good as his resume claims why doesn't his previous company keep him around. Then again, I was told they went with someone less experience/competent because they think I will get bored and leave within a few months.

the entire "tech" industry exists solely to solve problems it itself creates

>>105957033
you're free to work at a company like mercedes-benz or lockheed martin if the tech industry feels too fake for you

>>105957033
all technologies will always create new problems. and if you think solutions to problem are magical things and not just interfaces for different systems that might bring their own challenges, you don't belong here.
you are right in a sense: you can make a complete industry based on that. the infosec industry is exactly that, an industry born out of technical carelessness and FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt)

>>105957033
Nah. This only is the case of you work for a SAAS B2B company.

what does a devops engineer actually do?

>>105957202
He's a janny for the other devs

>>105957225
But I thought all devs were even better sysadmins than the sysadmins and innately know how to use their computer and network to the fullest? Why do they need someone to run build scripts for them?

>>105957033
No, I'm a Market Disruptor. My company is finally solving the age old problem of how to get a lot of people from one place to another without having to sit in traffic in a car. We have a pilot program operating in Maine and are currently securing funding for one in Germany. Through use of specially tuned software and physically separated corridors linking what we call Drop Zones, our 2-seat pods can take you across the city of Bangor in under 25 minutes.

>>105957276
nta but
>devs
>knowing how to use a computer
>i 2025
top kek

>>105957317
>t. powershell swilling retard who can't even read

>>105957033
my company is a 1b valuation for a reason were changing the world by using audio to transmit data it can even work in public and on planes

sup lads, i have an interview with an AI company in the domain of law, 80k salary, since im from eastern europe this would obviously be life changing money, and im prepping for the interview a bit, checked their linkedin out and i just saw that out of 50 employees there are 12 business developers, 10 analysts and 10 consultants- there is a grand total of 1 (one) person with a CS degree.
Whats going on there? Do they even have their own product? I really dont get this

>>105957399
>AI
>law
on the off chance you're not larping its probably some startup that just throws legal questions at chatgpt

>>105957441
>>105957399
my fucking bad, i was looking at the wrong linkedin page with the same name, its probably the other part of their company, they actually have an engineering team which counts 20 people
anything else i should know before hand?

Starting a new company to disrupt the volatile energy industry. We'll suspend huge concrete blocks from cranes, and use gravity to create power for free! Who's building this with me?

>>105957464
a small company having multiple pages for itself is a red flag imo
if you can't even manage your social media presence how are you going to do anything as complex as reading old legal decisions

is this still relevant in 2025?

>>105957492
...for what?

>>105957491
they have a functional product, some no code AI that presumably turns prompt into a functional app, then they have some law- focused AI that produces reports
they have bunch of really large clients already
how can i ace the interview?

>>105957501
product development

>>105957654
Ok, but what is this showing? I see words and arrows. What do the arrows symbolize?

>>105957673
it's just a process, not always linear
i want to understand what departments are getting automated by ai

>spend all of yesterday waiting on some jeet architect to do a final approval for my defect, after spending the week jumping through hoops to appease another jeet architect
>neither of them can write coherent sentences in english yet they're allowed to vet what code goes in and out of our project

Imagine being such a poorfag you use MS Teams KEKW KWAB

>>105957690
Depending on the scale of the idea and product, one person can do all of those with assistance from AI. Or you could absolutely need 100s of people to get it up and running, even with AI assistance.

>>105957492
no you should be a full stack coding ninja enhanced and augmented by AI LLM GPTs to do all of those by yourself for 11$/hour

>>105957492
yes except you fill every role after "idea" while taking none of the credit if it succeeds and full responsibility if it fails

Can one of you chads have a look at my resume and tell me what I'm doing wrong? I can't even get a call back from Best Buy Geek Squad...

>>105948331
>/g/ has red pulled the normies
they don't need /g/
its constantly in their face in real life to the point where even the most liberal normie boomer can't ignore it

>>105957346
That anon is correct, devs do not know how to handle the server the using. 90% of the work at at datacenter is wiping the asses of retards that fuck up everything from wordpress websites to proprietary enterprise database servers.

IT'S BALLER FRIDAY!!!!!!!!

>50% from China
>75% have PhDs, 70% Researchers
>40% from OpenAI, 20% DeepMind, 15% Scale
>20% L8+ level
>75% 1st gen immigrants

First gen immigrants develop 75% of AI for US

>>105958002
The salaries are so ridiculously hilarious
Tech reached sports tier clownworld where theres a belief that one player will magically change the team, so he MUST be worth dozens of millions. Sure there's a secondary reason where it's a prestige thing and brings in ratings for the team and so on, but this literally doesn't apply to (tech) companies like it does for sports teams.

>>105958002
>>105958030
Plus with these salaries there's unironically the danger where people will pretend to work for a year or so, and then just fucking dip out because they acquired generational wealth. This has already been a problem in the past for NVIDIA (although there it was the stock exploding)

>>105957918
>t. powershell dahlit

>>105958030
>>105958040
You get paid what you're worth. If you got skills and others dont, you get paid lot more than code monkeys

>company can't even get basic shit right, >everything is outsourced to pajeets and other low-quality contractors
>repos are in a terrible state
>infra goes down constantly
>10 layers of bureaucracy to get anything done
>"You need to start using AI for everything NOW!"
>"but this is a side-thing you have to do in addition to all your other responsibilities!"
>only models available internally are extremely weak shit that I can't find a usecase for
>every department has its own slop chatbot that barely works
>internal search chatbots don't even know what our product is or have our docs
>no co-ordination whatsoever

>>105953164
This is the new meme of the summer it seems
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1752943071390691.webm

>>105958117
>no co-ordination whatsoever
Every time we bring this up my manager says it's remote work fault.
I worked there when remote work wasn't even a think in the company and shit was even worse.

>>105958117
This is exactly what happened at the last fintech company I worked at. Repos are a mess, many layers of bureaucratic nonsense to get anything working, DevOps is massively silo'd away from the rest of the engineering teams, and on top of that shitshow, we were told
>YOU HAVE TO USE AI FOR EVERYTHING

>>105958150
i wonder if it's not viral marketing for whatever company it was, but for coldplay itself

>>105958117
>>105958202
Same here.
Also upper management is literally pic related. They are like a bunch of hipsters at a modern art expo. They know jack shit, and most likely know the rest know jack shit but they just keep rubbing each other's dick.
I've had meetings with external teams and the amount of buzzword salad spouting was insane.
Also from time to time they find an "expert" on some subject and act as he's the second coming of Christ.
Last one is the AI expert, who told us to stop using Copilot because it is "obsolete". I told him to explain me that reasoning while doing an in depth analysis of Copilot and the guy went pale.

>>105953164
>>105958150

>>105957399
>>105957570
you should be asking one of the AI generals, retard
I don't have much idea about how these LLM startups work or how interfaces to LLMs work, but I'd guess you should read about RAG and MCPs, and try to implement your own.
also, how about you ask the recruiter to give you a description of your role, dumbass

>>105948331
fucking kek

>>105958153
We have partial return to office now and it's still bad. Pair that with a shit project.

>>105958117
>18 rounds of interviews to arrive at this
Why are we doing this, unironically? Who wants this?

>at a lawfirm that caved to Trump
>people are leaving left and right, company only has one job posting for the office I'm assigned to
>if I lose this job, no other helpdesk will pay as much as this, but entry cloud positions are either non-existent or all taken

>>105958117
>company updates from simple html easy to read documentation with tabs for different divs you need to see
>now the documentation has me clicking in our conference calling software in window and waiting 5 seconds between menus that take 5 clicks to get to what used to be one click instantly
>the places where the documentation used to be readable instantly with one tab click now say "check the slow poorly organized version" on every tab
>we have an ai chatbot now I have never used

>>105958622
Get ccnp/isc2 and move to a sysadmin position or get ccnp and at least a noc position

I live in south america and have a job but want to leave it. I did some interviews this year and I'm currently being considered for 2 positions. I just realized that NO ONE has asked me for references. recruiters contacted me through linkedin, asked me some questions and that was it. I could be a pajeet, make a fake profile and wait for people to talk to me. these people are retarded...

>>105958070
>You get paid what you're worth
Lmao in what imaginary world do you live in

>>105958070
Skills? It's who you know and what favors they can extract by hiring you.

>>105958792
how much did they offer you?

>>105958657
I currently have:
>Security+
>AZ-900
>AZ-104

>>105958792
>NO ONE has asked me for references
I've been working in this field for 6 years and no one ever asked for references.

>>105959209
I ask for at least 10% over my current salary, otherwise I wouldn't leave. been looking for jobs for a while, but things only seem to be improving as of late.

>>105959229
no wonder pajeets get all the jobs lmao

>>105959249
Everyone lies. People don't give a shit abour references, your projects or your resume.
Anyone that isn't retarded is going to give you a coding challenge and/or some technical questions and if you fail they won't care if you worked at NASA before.

>>105959229
>>105959264
References do matter. But only from people who matter and for jobs that matter. Obviously a reference on the level of "my former team lead said I'm a good coworker!!" Is a reference nobody will care about, twice as much if you're just applying to some senior dev position

>>105958792
you think someones gonna learn spanish just to call up your fake third worlder references and ask them about the taco software you worked on?

ariba aribaa aiiiiyiyiyiyiiiiiii muy retardado macacoooooo!!!

>>105956901
Succeeding at a company is just about building a brand for yourself and becoming recognizable. Being a good engineer helps but its really just licking boots and working on (or finding work) that allows you to broadcast your work to the most amount of people

>>105959333
worse: they will try to use an LLM to translate, and when the conversation falls apart, they will take it as a bad reference instead of admitting their own incompetence

>>105959229
I am Indian. My current manager asked for references before he hired me. Then he VIDEO CALLED the references without warning. And he was a technical guy too not some UV-roasted HR so he went into fine details with them.Thankfully they had some positive points to say. They are getting more and more paranoid.

>>105959333
>>105959412
>retardo fatmericans think I'm talking about american recruiters
great display of american """education""" you got there

>>105959442
south americans are psychos but in a good way so im unsurprised they dont give a shit about references

>>105959395
>Succeeding at a company is just about building a brand for yourself and becoming recognizable
I managed to that in my specialty at the company, I would say most people that work in that specific field recognise how good and valuable I am. The problem is that specific field is not really extensible so it's basically completely shut off from the rest of the company, and all anyone else including upper management cares about is that we get shit done and not how or why.
The second problem is that I'm not at the top of the pyramid (which actually does interact with upper management) in my field, and while this top really appreciates me they obviously have no plans of just handing me over that position.

What do? How do I escape this reputational purgatory?

>>105959453
they do. I've been asked for references multiple times in the past. just not now, apparently. maybe these are shit recruiters or something.

>>105959442
i would assume "i want to leave south america" doesnt mean "i want to move to the greener pastures of central america" but truth be told i dont know anything or give a shit about any of the countries down there

>>105959495
I should have been more specific: I want to leave my current job. the company sucks, and it's getting worse.

>>105959456
>The problem is that specific field is not really extensible so it's basically completely shut off from the rest of the company
You just inject yourself into work that will help you succeed. Its not easy, because it means you have to find a problem that needs to be solved on your own (as opposed to pulling in tickets on a jira board and being quick), but this is kind of what separates highly paid engineers from the lower jr./Sr. Monkeys at the major corposlop jobs

another day, another leetcode grind.

>>105953164
should have been mrs. met

lost 5 pounds yesterday from alcohol poisoning.

>>105959532
>You just inject yourself into work that will help you succeed.
I think you don't get it, I literally can't. Anything I could've been injecting myself into with my credentials and skills, I already did. Now I guess you're implying I go cross field, but the consequence of that would be everyone in that field saying "what the fuck do you want here, aren't you a dev for x and not y? get out"

>twg is either spam and utwg
>or saar power hours for days

I just want to talk somewhere online

>>105959741
download tiktok and begin the eternal blog.

>>105959753
Tbh I also want to listen too.
If I wanted to speak I'd try wall ir chatgpt like zoomer do. But I want responses or to respond to someone.

>>105959788
Respond to me then >>105959600

>>105959788
Well, I hope you figure it out. In my experience until I invest some time into people's going ons no one gives a fuck what I think about anything. Good luck. Droidfus - soon tm.

>>105958910
In the world where companies are paying hundred of million per developer, in the world where OpenAI pays billions for developer, in the world,etc

>>105959952
Google paid some AI dev billions to stay at the company as well. If you got skills, then your value goes through the roof and you can become a billionaire overnight. $2.7 billion dollars

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/09/25/164213/google-paid-27-billion-to-bring-back-an-ai-genius-who-quit-in-frustration

>>105959952
>Whats your skill?
>I've scraped a lot of data
>this way Mr. billionaire

>>105959964
>AI genius
>noam shazeer
Hmmm let's see what makes him so good-
>At Google, Shazeer and his colleague Daniel de Freitas built a chatbot named Meena. Following the refusal of Google to release the chatbot to the public, Shazeer and Freitas left the company in 2021 to found Character.AI.
>Shazeer was appointed as technical lead on Gemini, along with Jeff Dean and Oriol Vinyals.
>It was part of a $2.7 billion deal for Google to license Character's technology.
Every single time. Founder buyout disguised as "le computer genius rehired by google"

>>105959978
So why dont you do it?

>>105960150
>nooo paying him to stay at Google doesnt count because its not paying him to stay at google

>>105960192
I fucking missed the boat. Same with bitcoin. If Silicon Valley's Jian Yang kept his not hotdog app going he'd be one of the richest men on the planet in the current year, unironically.

>>105960218
You cant row for shit. Thats why you're not being paid billions, or hundreds of millions or tens of millions.

>AI devs get paid millions and billions to work for tech companies!

>>105960233
Apparently

>>105960234
kek, this. Let's see them liquidate it.

>>105960192
>nooo paying him to stay at Google doesnt count because its not paying him to stay at google
My naive little babby, that's not how acquisitions work
>we want to buy your company
>ok I want 4 billion
>hmm we can only give you 3 billion
>alright but make me tech lead of whatever you will use my company's tech for and pay me a hefty salary since I don't have anything to do after the buyout
>ok deal

>>105960280
RETARD

THE DEV WORKS AT GOOGLE

>>105960300
Yes, as LEAD of Gemini
You've never had a management position, did you

i hate this fucking job

>>105960317
lead and sneed

>>105960317
seethe more, code monkey

>>105960325
elaborate

>>105948276
They're not working in tech

>>105948276
those are jeets graduating
they get in because jeet uni administrators
and jeet professors ignore their blatant cheating

>>105949135
They are good at playing the whole LinkedIn game. The cracked dev is usually a ghost.

>>105960579
I wish white guys looked after each other as well as Jeets look after each other (at or above their own caste).

>>105960218
>>105953164
I fucking missed the boat again.......

>>105960609
kek

>>105960564
I don't like it, it's not what I expected, and it fucking sucks. Some people enjoy this kind of work, I don't, feel almost like I got tricked, but in reality I'm just a fucking idiot

>>105960687
What did you expect and how is it different?

>>105960591
do jeets actually like and give preferential treatment to higher caste? I thought they would still hate them because they are higher caste

or are they really just having the slave mentality of believing the higher caste is better than them?

>>105960774
>or are they really just having the slave mentality of believing the higher caste is better than them?
it's this. they're resentful but truly believe higher caste people MUST be served.

>>105960706
I expected it to be more product focused, instead it's all platform and ops shit

>>105960813
Become a frontend dev, doesn't get more product focused than that

>>105960864
Yeah but now I need to find a new job, and I have to stick this one out to get my 1 year cliff money and stock

>>105960864
>>105960878
Also I don't particularly like front end, I like backend, just not platform. Backend product is the sweet spot for me, business logic is fun.

>>105961283
>business logic is fun
Unless you work at some high IQ software you're a literal midwit, congrats.
There's nothing fun about doing CRUD variation #26291592

>>105961374
It's more fun than "database server grasshopper_0_0813856918_region_010 is having connectivity issues every 23 to 85 minutes, fix it"

it do be like that fr

>>105960150
>>105959964
make sure to check his early life while you're at it

I'd appreciate some advice. Got an offer from a new company. Bigger salary, 10 more vacation days, but the only downside is I won't code for the first 6 months, but instead work with some garbage software similar to scratch. My current company is willing to up 80% of the offer for me to stay, but I guess staying means no more raises after this.And the new position is fullstack, my current one is frontend only.

>>105961471
Remember do not date your coworkers. Your boss wants a pick of his employees first.

>>105961555
An old engineer near retirement once told me, always go for the bigger salary
Anything else about a job can and will change, but the salary is in the contract

>>105961572
Its true up to a point. I left AWS at $270k and was an SDE II for CRWD at $350k at “Senior Systems Engineer” which turned into about $800k a year for two years before getting laid off due to appreciation. I don’t care if you believe me. However, I did literally nothing of value at CRWD for 2 years and now apparently I am unable to can get back into the top tier after failing about 7 interviews and 3 onsites at Anduril, Apple, Nvidia so my career is basically over now after 3 months of unemployment. I am just taking a sabbatical and going full time in OMSCS which I was going to do part time due to skill atrophy at CRWD.

>>105961979
How do you not have enough money saved to retire after making that much?
Or are you just bored?

>>105961991
I was in startups before Amazon. I big tech whored for about 5 years at avg $300-400k year estimating. I have about $1M assets and rent. I live in HCOL for family reasons (I would move but not possible). 5% yoy at $1M would cover my rent. I have a wife and kid. I am at coast fire and would happily do basically whatever for $80k but apparently nothing even gets that besides tech. I am considering trying to bribe my way into the elevator tech union somehow. Id join the military but I can’t move. Tech makes me want kms and will lead to a divorce.

>>105948266 (OP)
Total Indian victory. Also Python confirmed highest caste of language.

white people are bad at coding.

>>105962048
>>105962144
Good morning, saars.

>>105962157
Good afternoon, amigo.

i am so fucking exhausted

>>105953465
>fits in at gay retarded coding bootcamp for girls

In case you were wondering, yes, JavaScript really is that gay.

>>105953626
but THAT is what the military recruiter promised I would be trained to do, if I signed up! You mean the recruiters will promise you anything just to get you to sign?

>>105949604
just wait until the pressure comes down on them from above, then you'll see

>>105957276
lol, you describe an actual dev, those are almost extinct now.

>>105957477
Edward Leedskalnin already built that and nobody noticed or remembers.

>>105958030
No, tech became clownworld and all the projects failed so business figured might as well let jeets do it. Nice work guys.

If I could send a message back to my teenage self, I'd say something like
>don't go to college for computer science, it's not worth it, instead, travel to the beach, relax for a day, and at the end go for a swim and drown, your life will be a lot better

>>105958260
this. If you never were a developer not even for a year then you don't belong there.
TOO
MANY
TECH
IMPOSTORS

>>105959249
if a crummy 10% all they give you, you ought to stay put (unless your current company is collapsing).

>>105959301
Nah references don't matter, just so long as you have 3 people that acknowledge they know you; that passes the test of not-a-psycho.

>>105960218
life doesn't work that way, "The boat" is the same as some fool buying a lotto ticket.
you have to be smart and work hard or else you end up on welfare living in some hood, basically... and then being smart + hardwork only get's you a chicken dinner and a roof over your head that's about it.

>>105962445
that poster is how jeets get in the door, can't even give 50% what a bitch.

>>105962561
need to add: but at least you get to enjoy your chicken without hearing gunshots a few blocks down.

>>105962561
You're a jaded cunt, huh. Cool.

>>105962496
>if a crummy 10% all they give you
I don't have a degree or certs. also, I'm not american and I think I'm already in the pay range for my job (companies don't pay limitless salaries here afaik), so I doubt I can ask for much more.

>>105962689
why do you want to leave your current position?

It's my 20 year high school reunion this year, I don't think anyone is planning a reunion or anything, or if they are, no one is informing me
i wonder if anyone else i worked with made it into tech...

>>105963054
you sound old

>>105963199
and i feel old

>>105962907
I'm tired of the constant change, from all the bullshit (none of the team leaders (mine and others) seems to want to do fulfill their role, yet keep trying to show off. they sometimes even ask me to do THEIR job), tired about the incompetent and distinterested coworkers, tired about 1 coworker in particular that is a narcissistic retard (and most of the retards in the team were invited by him while the old teammates left or were fired), tired of the political crap (some competent coworkers were fired over some dumb comments)
plus I want more money.
I wish these faggots would lay me off. maybe I'd go on vacation for a couple of months.

>>105963289
actually, I have a question about this: has anyone here ever negotiated a compensated ($$$) resignation?

after they're done deleting 80% of tech jobs, they'll bring like 50% of them back in the next stimulus/jobs package. this is called Keynesian economics, and it works very well.

>>105963790
Infuriatingly accurate.

goodnight /twg/

>have a bad performer on team
>a few months ago team hit by layoffs, lost good performances, bad performer was safe
>now bad performer got fired for being bad
why didn't they just fire her two months ago instead of the useful people?

>>105964190
they have to jump through extra hoops to get rid of diversity hires

>>105964190
Management didn't have the best interests of the company in mind. Social factors are at play.

>new CEO starts
>first major meeting gets pissed that staff care about WFH and shitty high-performance rewarding
>no-one hears from him for 6 weeks
>sends an email saying "all presentations must be 5 pages or less" because he yawned and ragequit a senior's presentation

I am starting to fear that meritocracy may actually be a complete meme, lads.

>>105963906
Good morning.
>Nobody to post about work with
>It's jeets and utwg only

>>105964666
I know that ceo is just a title, but does is it even make sense in small places like yours?

Our CEO is at least 4-5 levels above anyone doing any technical work and I'm relatively high in hierarchy so it may go deeper for actual IT or code monkeys.

>We even have evil organisation meetings where they check loyalty

>>105964958
It's international financial institution, so definitely not a small place. That said I truly could not tell you how many moronic titles like "tribe leader", "journey expert" and "wellness specialist" exist between me and him, all I know is that the first all-staff email being a micro-management directive from a man who should have bigger fish to fry is a bad start.

We don't have loyalty checks yet but we do have a 50% in office requirement that's so badly thought out that a retard with a calculator would know that it's cost more days in office by way of sick people coming in than it has saved any.

I think that the jeets figured out how to scam the interview process really says more about the corpo world than anything.

>>105964190
They gotta fire the non diversity hires first so the diversity hire can't claim they were "targeted"

>>105964666
what you need to consider is how great his hair is

>>105949507
Yet this dysgenic freak, his pajeets and his shitty website didnt manage to insert a mic drop emoji.

>>105953494
Breeders BTFO. Are you Afghani or from the Congo? No white babies, goyim.

>>105958002
How many of them are spies from PRC. How is this even legal.

> staff layoffs
> i remain on my current position
> work my ass off covering for all the admins we lost
> company hires pajeets to fill in
> pajeet immediately locks himself out of the AD
> good

> pajeets fuck up everything they touch
> pajeets cause downtime on an enterprise web application by fucking over the SSL installation on an IIS host
> pajeets say that they lack training
> explain to pajeet that this is an incredibly simple task that takes 5 minutes at most and is risk free unless you're a retard
> pajeet complains to HR
> have to attend a tolerance seminar

What the fuck.

> few days go by, pajeet retard brings down an HA SQL cluster by blocking malicious IPs on user request
> SQL nodes are on a private network and can't be hit from external sources unless on vpn
> pajeet blocked AD servers because he saw a lot of suspicious connections from those IPs

Pajeet has been luckily fired, unfortunately another will replace him soon.

I fucking can't go on like this. Why are people so goddamn retarded? I'm paid peanuts to answer day 1 high school IT questions and play nanny with 'jeets.

>be on the support rota last friday
>as usual, ignore all isues, delay responses and play games instead
>ops woman sends mail
>>"OMG MY CLIENT'S EXECUTION IS NOT FLOWING DOWN TO X SYSTEM HELP ME"
>took a quick look, looks like an issue for another team. But it's 4pm so i'll just not reply and stall for time (in case it somehow it bounces back to me)
>bitch tries to call me on zoom, i insta ignore her call and reply on email to ask the other team
>"thanks anon but considering it took over an hour to get this reply and it's now 5pm on a fri, do you have a direct contact i can bother with the issue"
>"No. Raise the keystone ticket (bitch)"

>conduct interviews in my company
>hr sending jeet cvs
into the trash it goes

>>105948266 (OP)
I hate seeing his ugly mug every time I scroll through the catalog. You had your fun, but enough is enough, I'm going to push this shitass thread over the bumplimit.

Niggers.

>>105966425
Bump

>>105966432
Bumpan

>>105966444
Check these, God is on my side. No one should have to see indian people.

>>105966450
Bump2

>>105966455
>Another get
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO

>>105966461
Bümping

>>105966462
Bůmp

>>105966465
Bump 300

>>105966466
>Yet another get
God hates indians

>>105966475
Bump

>>105966478
Honestly, this might get me banned, but then I wouldn't have to come here ever again.
One way or another, this sets me free.

>>105966483
7 Posts to go.

>>105966487
6

>>105966494
5

>>105966497
4

>>105966507
3
On second thought, this is how they drown out important shit on /pol/ and no one seems to care. I don't think I'll actually be banned for this.

>>105966514
2
>He saged?
>Bümp it

>>105966522
CHECK EM, YOU CUNTS.

My deed here is done.

>NEW
>>105966540
NEW
>>105966540
>NEW
>>105966540

>>105963289
all great reasons to leave. take the 10% bump.

>>105966543
you forgot to put /twg/

>>105966590
Yep. I noticed as well. I'm preparing to commit sudoku. If you like, you can create another thread.

>>105958792
Linkedin is a data harvesting operation.
Whatever questions you answered have already gone directly into a database that gets sold to companies as “talent packages” and “workforce reports”

>>105966543
>>105966590
NEW
>>105966633 (checked)
>NEW
>>105966633 (checked)
NEW
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>NEW
>>105966633 (checked)

>>105953164

>>105966601
NEW /twg/ Confirmed >>105966633

>>105966752
See >>105966641

>>105965456
>Why are people so goddamn retarded?
>I'm paid peanuts to answer day 1 high school IT questions and play nanny with 'jeets.
anon, I'm sorry to tell you but you are the retard here for not getting another job.