Thread 105948665

Patrician Edition

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>Keyboard recommendation template:
https://pastebin.com/n220xk9V

>Find vendors
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list // Up-to-date list of reputable vendors with brief descriptions
https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com // Tracker for current and upcoming keycap group buys

>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!
https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you know how)

>Learn about Cherry MX switches
https://rentry.org/mkg_switches // Introductory guide
https://www.theremingoat.com // Switch reviews
https://www.switchesdb.com // Compare force curves

>Split and non-standard layout resources
https://compare.splitkb.com
https://keyboard-design.com

>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound?
https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet)

>Practice typing
https://monkeytype.com
https://www.keybr.com
https://thetypingcat.com
https://play.typeracer.com

>How Cherry switches do backlighting, and why it's not ideal
https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight

WHat is the heaviest keyboard money can buy?

>>105948717
My best bet is an IBM 4978. A small IBM Model B is heavy enough as it is, let alone a full size

henlo frens, just here for my yearly check in:

can i buy doubleshot backlight compatible SA profile keycaps yet in [CURRENT YEAR]?

To anyone who has bolt modded a model M
Is it a better idea to keep the spring assemblies in the same key they came out of or it doesn't matter?
Is there also any things to lookout for?
Don't want to deal with one hundred tiny M2 bolts and nuts only to find a key doesn't work

I've having to bolt mod to replace a membrane, or what I think is a bad one but It's getting replaced anyway

>>105948717
Glare TKL

I ordered a Keychron Q5 Pro for 40 european pesos

>>105948780
No. Maybe this could be the year your taste improves.

>>105949025
oh yeah? tell me what keycap profile you think is good so i can roast you for being a philistine

>>105949203
I like SA just fine. I object to your desire for backlighting.

>>105950115
wasn't expecting that lol, is this some sort of purist "i don't even have letters on my keys" take? are you just anti lights?

>>105950275
Look at the switch on the left, and then at the one on the right. Which one looks like it was designed for backlighting to work correctly?

>>105945270
>4chan was better when it was seen as harmless and we didn't give a fuck what the rest of the world was up to. Now its just Twitter caps and reddit reaction bait.

To be fair twitter is also just 4chan caps and reddit reaction bait. This is in my "for you" feed right now. Total 4chan/Twitter integration soon....

not sure how i feel about hall effects

what do you guys think of my keeb

>>105948717
either glare tkl >>105948950 or an ibm f122
they weigh around 4 kg or around 8 lb

anyone know where i can buy switches without paying basically half the price on shipping in us?

>>105951077
they are superior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUbKhUBs6XI

>>105951283
show me

shit i got good at canary and now I'm learning vim motions and jklh are awful
why qwerty had to have such garbage letters on home row?

>>105951713
there's a myth/factoid that qwerty was designed to slow down fast typists in the days of the typewriter to prevent jamming up the internal mechanisms, but it's more likely that the layout was just based on what american morse code operators felt comfortable with.

>>105951713
>>105952010
Yea, the "in order to slow down typists" thing is a myth. The tl;dw is qwerty was made from a series of customer requests.
https://youtu.be/blRn9U9Fapg

Can anybody explain to me what the appeal of these keyboards is?

I like the look, feel and sound of 1970's terminal and micro keyboards, but that's just a mental attachment to the machine as a whole.

>>105952094
>these
are you referring to mechanical keyboards in general, or just the one in OP pic?

>>105952110
In general.

>>105952094
Feels nice to type on, it's that simple.

nth for split columnar stagger

>>105951406
they're just a little weird to get use to is all

>>105952369
Gross.

What is objectively the best MX silent switch?

>>105952926
For linears it's either lichicx silent or gateron gecko. Both are less mushy than a typical silent switch, and basically no ping stock.

The thing I've never heard answered to my satisfaction: what kind of board is best for silent switches?

It sounds like a nonsense question. Why would the sonic properties of the board matter if the switches aren't making sound? It must just be personal preference, what you like the look of/etc. I think that's not true.

I've tried silent switches in an aluminum board and it felt wrong. I can't explain it. Injection ABS cheapo boards don't feel right either. I think maybe the answer is CNC polycarbonate or dense acrylic boards... TX EO87... Solidity, density, but soft and non-metallic... this "means" quiet, and the evident meaning of a keyboard is almost as important as what it does

>>105948717
6kg glare

>get used to light linear switches
>now medium-weight linear switches feel too heavy
fugg

>>105954213
If you switched back you'd get used to it soon enough.

>>105954213
>used tactiles
>now realize it was pointless because bottoming-out

pulled the plug on a grey badge m
i'm hoping i don't end up hating it

What even causes chatter

>>105955410
The two parts of the contact leaf will physically bounce against each other, causing rapid makes & breaks in the contact between the pins. Any switch type that uses physical metal contacts for actuation is susceptible to it. That's also why the software to mitigate it is called 'debounce'.

>>105948665 (OP)
Just buy something like a logitech mk370 for $40 and be done with it. There's nothing gayer than manchildren endlessly gooning over keyboards like it's a serious intellectual or aesthetic endeavor.

>>105955498
lol imagine mercury-wetted keyboard switches

xvx moa dark walnut on the lemokey p1 pro. sounds better and less hollow than the stock clacky keys. shine through isn't ever needed if you type without looking at your keyboards.

damn, waiting on that model f, took about two or so months like another anon said then the UPS tracking said it'd arrive by the end of next week. nice

>>105955410
boioioing

>oh cool a y2k futurist keyboar-
>aluminum SKU have permanent spider gamer legs
>SKU with no legs in aluminum is covered in gay racing stripes
>transparent SKU only comes in smoke black, despite the aesthetic always being pure clear or white clear
>every model covered in gay 80s 8-bit key caps
Amazing how they had one good design idea and have managed to ruin it completely.

>>105955410
Thin metal really likes to flex when it moves
The two contact points in a switch, made of metal, don't just touch each other then stop, there's micro movement that involves tapping, think of a ruler when you flex it and let go, it moves back and forth before settling to its original position this is "bouncing"
Keyboard firmware has code that basically says "when an input from this key is registered, ignore it for a few milliseconds" so those taps during bouncing aren't registered, hence, "denouncing"
Sometimes, the firmware's debouncing isn't long enough, or there's a problem with the switch, so chattering occurs. I've only encountered it with bad switches, but sometimes software does let you change the denouncing time

Really the only foolproof solution is hall-effect or optical switches. But I doubt these switches will ever replace metal mechanical ones.

>>105957746
The retro fetishist keycaps make the design look even more confused

https://files.catbox.moe/is9f3u.m4a
Is this sounds ok to you?

>>105958315
Sounds thlicky, needs more slurpy on the follow through. Maybe lube your switches?

I'm tired of your n*g*er cattle marketing threads, with down syndrome retard-tier products, I just hope you all kys

>>105952939
Lichix raw silent are my favorite tactile. They feel slightly more tactile than boba u4s and are less scratchy. They have some audible leaf ping though which is annoying once you notice it. Lubing can fix it but can also ruin the tactility.

>>105959650
Putting some lube on the back of the contact leaf is enough to kill its ping. Also lubing the legs of a tactile switch makes a subtle (at best) difference in tactility in my experience.

>>105959494
You can't blame anyone for being a retarded nigger chasing meme switches lmao
Most people with high-end boards just put mx black/brown in their boards and that's it

>>105959494
And you're faggot who censors his own posts. Marketing what? The keyboard in the OP is a fucking old case mod and half the keyboards that are brought up here are shit on for being gimmicky to begin with. Retarded, gay or new, you're a faggot.

>>105958315
sounds foamy and too tactile for me. but I like the idea of posting sound tests. I've done a few which I'll post after dinner

Wish I could put my KB on layaway

>>105961368
>layaway
Don't worry boomer you'll have your IBM model M soon enough.

>>105952369
based


fooling around
new build coming

>>105952048
Yes, but some of the requests were "please separate these common bigrams," which is where the idea that it was developed because typists were too fast came from.

>>105962069
Which filament? Looks like one of those multi-color ones.

>>105963273
silk black green from a brand named conjure
yes, multi-color

Which keyboard is which?

??? means it should be possible to guess. Some stabs need lubing. Some of these builds need work, it must be admitted. Recorded with a Blue Yeti positioned over the keyboard and slightly to the left. The sequence (a-f) was randomized with a single use of Random.org's random sequence generator and is therefore truly random.

Neo80 is a board I built for someone else who has kindly let me record it.

Recordings:
a) https://files.catbox.moe/1bqlkg.mp3
b) https://files.catbox.moe/1t2ygr.mp3
c) https://files.catbox.moe/tnwdgs.mp3
d) https://files.catbox.moe/qbi7de.mp3
e) https://files.catbox.moe/ofv5cv.mp3
f) https://files.catbox.moe/42ll3p.mp3

Keyboards:
>Neo80 (TKL)
SWITCH: Gateron KS-3X47 milk-top blacks lubed and spring-swapped to 45g
PLATE: carbon fiber
MOUNT: gasket socks
FOAMS: no
KEYCAPS: shenpo dye-sub (PBT)
OTHER: solder PCB

>Neo80 (TKL)
SWITCH: stock Cherry MX Hyperglide Reds
PLATE: polycarbonate
MOUNT: gasket dumbbells
FOAMS: no
KEYCAPS: MT3 WoB (ABS)
OTHER: hotswap PCB; I threw this combo together to test out the keycaps and it's not very good...

>Daring Run Flip 6P (60% + numpad)
SWITCH: ??? stock
PLATE: polycarbonate
MOUNT: gasket dumbbells
FOAMS: no
KEYCAPS: GMK MTNU (PBT)
OTHER: taped under the top case to eliminate some case ping; Geon force break pads

>Typface Monospace (FRL southpaw fullsize)
SWITCH: ??? lubed with 205g0, filmed, and spring-swapped
PLATE: aluminum
MOUNT: top-mount
FOAMS: no
KEYCAPS: Keykobo WoB (ABS)
OTHER: Geon force break pads

>Cannonkeys Brutal V2 1800 (96%)
SWITCH: ??? lubed with tribosys 3204, filmed, and spring-swapped
PLATE: aluminum
MOUNT: half-gasket
FOAMS: no
KEYCAPS: Shenpo dye-sub (PBT)

>Keychron V6 Max (100%)
SWITCH: Tecsee Sunny-Side linears, stock
PLATE: polycarbonate
MOUNT: gasket mount, modified from stock
FOAMS: no
KEYCAPS: Swagkeys dolch (basically ABS, allegedly a mix)
OTHER: removed L/R side gaskets and inserted some hard rubber pieces under the gaskets to make them a bit firmer.

>>105960805
My recording is that bad huh, my build have no foam in it and the switch is cherry black

>>105963827
by telling me what it is you've completely changed my interpretation of the recording, and it sounds much better

I was seeing black and blue, but it was white and gold...

>a: Do you like this?
>b: No, it sounds bad, probably because it is the bad memes
>a: Actually it is all your favorite memes
>b: Ohhh it sounds good now

How could anyone doubt that these people know what they're talking about?

>>105962069
Thanks doc

>>105964166
nta but sometimes context is needed, sound and your imagination can only get you so far without any context given

>>105964166
kek

>>105963703
>has mt3 caps and clicky switches and a big hollow plastic Keychron but puts the clickies in an aluminum board and the mt3 caps with linears
Oh no baby what is you doin

>>105948717
How much money do you have to spend?
If you have unlimited funds you could have your keyboard as heavy as you like.
I could machine an enormous keyboard chassis that's so heavy that you would need a forklift or a crane to move it.
The only issue is that it would be so expensive that you won't be able to afford it unless you got bezos money.

>>105964182
kekd

>>105948665 (OP)
Unicomps are now £200+. Wtf?!

>>105965203
They saw newmodelf and realized they could milk retards for more money

>>105965203
new tooling and tariffs from what i heard

Any keyboards with a frutiger aero aesthetic?

>>105953794
What the fuck
Did they fill it with lead or something

>>105965304
https://www.8bitdo.com/retro-87-mechanical-keyboard-xbox/

>>105965272
they had new tooling way before the prices shot up
pretty sure it was also before any trump tariffs

>>105965247
And neither of them are making a PS/2 TKL, so they won't be milking me anytime soon

>>105965304
Mercury K1. They have the standard and special which has the weird spider legs

>>105965538
dunno about tkl, but i do know that there will eventually be a leyden jar controller for the repro model f that will have ps/2 support

>>105965311
Brass, full of brass

>>105965849
meh, i probably will have gotten over the TKL hype by then. or will have bitten the bullet on an IBM SSK.

then again, capacitive TKL PS/2.... damn

>>105966091
honestly i think once it comes out i'll actually get the ps/2 controller for my model f. it just feels wrong letting it sit unused.

>>105948665 (OP)
>Budget
Up to 200€
>Location (continent at least)
EU
>Preferred switch type
No switches, just a hotswappable board, WIRED ONLY.
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
100% or 95%
>Backlight
Don't care
>Previous/current keyboards
Monsgeek M1W, and some gamer Corsair thing with mx browns.

I made a double mistake buying the Monsgeek, no numpad and wireless, both things a pain in the ass long term. Probably a boring demand but I just need a solid 100% base... No Keychron, they don't ship where I live.

>>105968137
How could I forget... I need a knob.

>>105959851
>just put and that's it
already well past retardation

>>105963703
Best to worst: (b), (d), (c), (a), (f), (e).

(a) could be ok with a different spacebar maybe. Something sounds wrong, it shouldn't have that pitch. (e) sounds cheap, maybe fixable with lubing/filming? (c) sounds hollow, a piece of foam wouldn't be the worst idea.

>>105968630
Agreed about the spacebar on A, I just need to stop being lazy and get out the soldering equipment to deal with it.

I kind of like C the way it is. Whenever I've tried putting foam and things in that board I've been disappointed, and I've tried all kinds of things: foam, felt, hemp fiber matting...

>>105964534
Now there's an idea

what's your preferred actuation point

>>105969366
High with tactility.

>>105969366
Normal cherry

>>105965311
Depleated uranium

>>105968137
You could order a B-stock Luminkey98 barebones. I don't know how bad the shipping would be, or how crappy their B-stock is.
https://www.luminkey.com/products/in-stock-luminkey98-98-custom-mechanical-keyboard

>>105965591
>the spider legs
It's like this thing crawled straight out of the early 2000s.

>>105974381
Don't forget your mouse anon

>hear about custom keyboard
>think unironic fag shit for gamers wanting 0.00000001s better reaction time just to go 0-12 in R6 or some shit
>buy cheap redragon with off-brand cherry clone blue switches
>fast forward 5 years
>new mic setup
>friends can now hear keyboard clacking
>decide to make a change
>why tf are all the keyboards with good switches 300$
>all of a sudden
>wtf.mp4
>GMMK Barebones
>it's 120$
>check switches
>AKKO's are 15-20 for a pack of 45
>caps are like 30$ for something decent
>wtf.flac
>built my own keyboard
>actually sounds nice, feel proud of building it, if I ever want to change the way it sounds they included everything for me to change switches or even gaskets if I want
>genuinely 100$ cheaper than buying a nicer prebuilt keyboard
wtf I'm never switching back, this shit is actual heaven. No weird chinkshit switches or caps unless I fuck up and order them, I'm not getting cucked by some corpo trying to cut 3$ off the production to maximize revenue

All of the cheap keyboards people recommend have linear switches. Are tactile switches just not worth getting unless you pay way more?

>>105975310
how did you go about building it?

I'm using a keychron at the moment, which is really nice, but would be interested in making a custom one.

>>105975338
You can get the barebones off Amazon for fairly cheap, or you can go to Glorious' site and design it from scratch yourself. They send over a chasiss and you essentially just plop in switches and caps, but they include all the tools to disassemble it if you ever decide you want to mod any part of it.

Almost every part of it is customizeable to an extent an you can find tutorials on their site or just YT in general. They're compatible with pretty much any switch type as well, so take your pick as to what brand you want. Gateron? Akko? Cherry? Drop? Kalih? Doesn't matter, just pick whatever sounds best for you and just go for it.

I'm not even a shill, it's just fucking eye opening to have something this quality at the price. Total for 2 sets of switches, caps, and the baseplate off Amazon costed me about 220$ CAD

>>105975310
>>105975386
Good for you, hope your using qmk/via instead of their software.

>>105975320
>Are tactile switches just not worth getting unless you pay way more?
Linears are just a default for most manufacturers due to red linear being the standard for all other linears. Tactiles are good but browns which are the default standard are not widely liked and so cheap manufacturers avoid them and stick to red linears or blue clickies

any of you guys ever put a playstation style joystick onto a keybard? im trying to piece together a razer Tartarus style thing for a mate, and most of the information i can find on making custom key layouts almost always just says to use QMK on someone elses layout, then just not connect every key, the docs.qmk.fm lists analog joysticks as usable on adc pins, but i cant figure out how to actually make it turn that input into like, actual movement in game like WoW or GTA beyond just listing them as WASD.

Geon x Haimu for my customer
Nice looking switches

>>105976556
>for my customer
You make boards or somethin'?

>>105976562
I run a small vendor from a very small country, sometime people order things through me and sometime they want me to lube or do some kind of small modification for them
As a hobby, of course

>>105976556
3.5 or 4 mm travel version? How are they?

>>105975310
GMMK and AKKO are bugmade, but everything these days is.

>>105976603
They are 3.5mm total travel version, smooth gliding overall with minimal wobble but the sound is, how can I put it, it sound like pc top and pc bottom switches

Is that dactyl manuform anon still about

>buy all the parts for a keeb
>find out (the stupid way) the screws for the case are ph0
>no screwdriver included even though a ph0 is literally $1
do people really just have these fuckers laying around? i've never had to use one, even for pc building

>>105977208
i have about 4 of them in reach right now, i have a few kits of different little screwdriver sets, and most of them have ph2,1,0,00,000
they skip most of the hex heads i actually need (and lose) for my 3d printer work, but that's what dedicated allan keys are for

Any word on those new Cherry switches? They were supposed to come out in June and it's nearly August.

>>105977344
North star or something? Aren't they already out? I heard they are great but pricey

>>105978642
No, the new MX switches (Blossom, Honey, Falcon). I'm mostly interested in the Falcon because they're making some very lofty claims about it.

This looks like one of those cool things I would only ever buy if I was wealthy enough that I wouldn't miss $600 like I wouldn't miss $60

>>105978686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v0rQNjoCQg
The music is so unnecessarily dramatic, but I like the track.

I'd rather go with the Keymacs.

>>105978686
a layout purpose-designed for a tv show and not for actual computer use (e.g. no escape key) turns this from maybe-cool into just a funko pop

I saw someone make keycaps for their asterisk so I will try that and report back to see if it feels any better that way.

>>105978686
that slogan would be much better if they used "yet" instead of "and", sounds kind of lame as it is

11 years on, and my Duck Viper is still going strong, although I don't use Dvorak anymore.

>>105979986
updated pic

>>105977128
Sure, I'm usually lurking.

Anyone here own a Matrix keyboard? Looking for a way to turn off the gif on my Corsa when PC is off.

>>105957746
>Coom catcher.

I'm a genius!

>>105981583
What?

>>105981958
Bet he replied to the wrong post

redpill me on TKL keyboards

>>105980061
Nice slimblade brah, I have mine on a 3d printed base for a slight vertical feel

>>105982984
It's like a full size, but you don't have a numpad, so it's a little smaller. If you don't use the numpad it's all upside.

>>105982984
they're missing 10 keys

>>105982984
Getting a TKL and a separate numpad is a great substitute for buying an overpriced and/or underfeatured southpaw keyboard.

>>105983390
Never understood how removing 17 keys was called "tenkeyless"

>>105983390
>>105983730
I assumed that it's because the most used keys on the numpad is 0-9 which is 10 keys
At first I thought TKL referred to 40% KBs since that keys rid of the number row.

Literally never in my life have I heard a keyboard without a numpad as TKL.

>>105983730
wonder why numpadless never stuck. much more intuitive

>>105948969
Can you swap the switches on those?

>>105978686
Reminds me of this for whatever reason.

>>105948717
i just filled my keyboard with lead.
it ended up weighting over 4kg

>>105975320
I don't get it. Tactiles are very popular. Something like an MX Brown but a teeny bit more tactile would do for a lot of people.

>>105984503
For what purpose you did it?

Linear switches are the best switches. You simply cannot change my mind.

>>105985835
for me it's buckling springs

>>105979986
Do people who use HHKB layout actually seriously unironically think it's a good layout

>>105985835
I use both and prefer tactile.

>>105985835
Use beamspring. Its the smoothest linear ever made and it clunks. Not clicks, clunks.

>>105980661
Nice. Do you do custom layouts or exclusivey standard dactyl? I have a 122 dactyl case that has been collecting dust for a while now

>>105948665 (OP)
How/where do I get a custom PCB & plate made? I have a lot of retarded ideas about keyboards.

>>105986699
They'll tell you with a straight goddamn face that it's more efficient to use multiple keystrokes for shit that's basic on other layouts like fucking arrow keys lmao. It's based on the original Macintosh M0110 keyboard, but that wasn't exactly the model of perfection or efficiency even in its day; Apple sold a companion numpad, and very soon after made a (for the time) fullsize board with dedicated arrow keys AND a numpad, because even Apple fucking knew that the base M0110 wasn't enough.

And then the people who buy actual HHKBs are the biggest rubes of the keyboarding world. I paid $140ish for my Realforce R3S and I still feel like I overpaid a bit (and I say that even though it's my current daily driver). I can't begin to imagine paying double that (or more!) for the same switch tech but for substantially fewer keys.

>>105980661
What does the PCB look like? How do you register keypresses?

>>105984242
Yes

>>105983730
Fucks sake, Anonymous. I didn't need another thing to be a sperg over. It's tough enough having to endure people calling rubber dones "membranes".

>>105988119
>Do you do custom layouts
I can do from a 4x5 to a 5x7, and just about anything in between.

>>105989666
Here, satan.

>tries a plateless keyboard (F2-84, mx blacks)
>actual comfort when typing since fingers aint getting beat up by a plate
Holy... ts so peak...
Tho I'd still prefer plated browns for contrast

>>105990858
What about 7x8?

>>105991833
Nope. I doubt there's more than one dactyl with that many keys.

>>105991702
I don't know much about F2 but F1 alu v1.1 has pretty soft touch if you prefers comfy typing
I myself somehow prefer v3 for a little harder typing feel and a little bit louder but v1.1 is pretty close to that

>>105991960
I am one of the unfortunate F1-88 owners so I don't really have access to a first party v1.1 plate and the default plate is the stiffest one ever made: the elusive v2 plate...
Guess I'll just use it for tactiles

>>105948938
I literally got zero answers so maybe I'll be fine

>>105991833
Not even two micro controllers per dactyl to break down the effective rows/columns? So just for example sake per hand it would be something like a 4x4 and 3x4 which would make it four dactyls sharing two cases.

>>105992640
>>105991943

>>105992640
Trying to stuff two MCUs into a single half wouldn't make sense, you'd just pick an MCU with enough IO pins.

>>105991833
How much you sell dactyls for? Is the case same material I can buy from ali?

>>105993184
I actually commissioned the case with the custom parameters a few years ago from an etsy seller. "Smokey clear" is as much as I can remember for the filament but it was nothing too special. Ironically I am in a position now where I can print my own cases but it is the electronics I struggle with which is why asked if dactyl anon was about for his own expertise

This is a pain in the dick actually
I probably wouldn't do this again just for feels or cleaning
I just pray when everything goes back together that all the keys work

Just finished a new build.

ripped out all the standoffs from my v6 max plate... excited to find out how this affects the sound. Can't be worse, right?

>noob retard looking at a nuphy on amazon
>bunch of Gateron switch options
>look them up on Gateron's site to learn more
>none of them are there except red and blue

>>105994463
Because they're "Gateron X Nuphy" so they're sold by Nuphy, not by Gateron. You can probably find specs/etc. on Nuphy's website.

which he keyboard should i get

Is there a prebuilt that is better than the Keychron Q5 Max? I need an upgrade bad but worried about some reviews saying that keyboard has double input

Should I? I'm tired of the shitty volume roller in this Logitech keyboard from almost 10 years ago.

giving up on this split. turns out my touch typing is too fucked up for it

>>105994985
Skill issue

>>105994994
sure, but I'll settle for 80 wpm on a non split and not fucking up my pinkies
anyone have any tips for getting cat fur out of a keyboard? It somehow worked its way under the switches

>>105995003
You're pinkies should not be over-stressed from a split, if anything it should be the opposite.

>>105995012
I don't type with my pinkies at all by default.

>>105994898
meh, they are fine, but you can do a lot better

>>105995003
>cat hair
buy a keyboard that you can take the front off from easily, then steal a blush brush from your wife
you are married, aren't you?

>>105995083
Within a similar price?

>>105995095
of course, it's her hair

>>105957956
>Really the only foolproof solution is hall-effect or optical switches. But I doubt these switches will ever replace metal mechanical ones.
There's already a shitload of hall-effect and optical switches on the market.
Topre switches are also immune to chatter by design, which was the main reason I bought a Realforce board in the first place when I experienced chatter on two separate Cherry boards.

>>105995119
Nigga really said "a cat is fine too".

Give me some ISO options (UK)
>no Keychron

>>105995239
keychron

>>105995239
https://www.mechmods.co.uk/collections/keyboards/products/evoworks-evo80-keyboard-iso-layout

You have to switch out the keycaps on this board, what are you choosing?

Do Keychrons ever go on sale? They’re been pretty uppity after being adopted by Apple.

>>105995595
this is a tough one, I'm really thinking about it

>>105995595
something with predominantly cool or neutral grays and sporty colors. Not warm colors or browns/beiges, not black either. White maybe.

GMK 8008, for example.

>>105995595
Lamé saddle smokey grey clears

>>105995622
You can find them cheap second hand. I scored my Q8 for £40 on ebay

>>105987213
What keycap profile is that on that TKL? Specifically curious about the rounded bottom row.
Absolutely love my MT3 sets because of that flatter/"more angled towards the user" row, but having a lower height set of keys with something similar could be nice. I curse the fact that MTNU took the typical sharp edge from earlier MT3 sets, instead of a flatter bottom row.

>>105994985
I'm glad. We don't need more split shills ITT

>>105992026
Damn that's real unfortunate... but at least your f13 looks pretty cool to me but honestly I wouldn't trade v1.1 typing feel for f13 but that just me

What does this thread think about low-profile gateron browns?

>>106000046
>low profile
I don't think about it at all

>>105964534
Did this. It's good.

>>106000306
im travelling rn and i am thinking that a low profile mechanical one would be much better than the laptop keyboard

>>105996921
do milwaukee or makita next

>>105993955
I just got a 2nd gen M and I found 2 rivets underneath the keys. Seems to work fine, so I probably won't open it just yet

Did any anons get their New Model F yet?

>>106000016
Yeah the 88 is pretty fire and I don't mind the stiffer feel since I have my plateless F2 when I need the soft typing feel.
Tho, geon did give out a more flexible 88 plate file so i might just have it made eventually

>>105972234
they took out the pleats?

>>106002366
UPS delivering mine today

It makes me wonder how they assemble these with any type of speed over in Kentucky

>>106004017
That's probably why these fucking things almost doubled in price over the past 4 years.

Any Recommendations for an ergonomic keyboard? Looked at the Kinesis but fuck spending 600$ on a keyboard.

>>106004072
I can build you a dactyl for half that much.

>>105994985
Just keep practicing. The first week is the worst.

i wanna try out a alice layout board should I just get a keychron v10 or is there something cheaper

>>106004031
That's kinda why im fixing my old one
I paid $100 ten years ago
Felt ridiculous to pay so much for a new one but my thinking is that if you have something broken, buy a new one and fix the old one. You won't ever be without afterwards

The old one is fixed, all the keys went in OK (as OK as they ever do) and they all register reliably with no more ghosting or missing, don't even have all the nuts in

>>105955543
>ogitech mk370
hmm. It's just not gay enough for me. No huge raised keycaps and it has a numpad.

>>106005148
You can solder into hotswap sockets.

>>106005314
what a revolting thought...

Starting to think that split PCBs are a bad idea. I've noticed that on boards with a moveable numpad the numpad always sounds bad. I don't think you get the 'big board sound' if you don't have one big PCB.

>>105986699
>>105989638
I've used similar layouts. Most of my time is spent in vim and readline based tools like bash, neither of which actually need arrow keys.

>>106003627
>>105956719
keep us updated i wanna hear how it is

>>106006990
dammit UPS fags. raising my hopes by saying it'd arrive a day early. was originally ETA for tomorrow, then i get an email saying it'd arrive today...looking like a tomorrow thing. unless the courier does late night deliveries for some reason.

>>105986699
Most who post online will tell you with a straight face yes, but that is because:
>A) They spent a few 100 on a glorified 60% rubber dome
>B) Those who don't like it don't want to admit they spent a few 100 on a glorified 60% rubber dome

It's the ultimate pseudointellectual litmus test. If you see someone bragging about having one you just know they have a poorfag mindset as they want to maximise internet points or social standing by having the "le epic no-nonsense daily driver" with the whole "programmer approved" branding. Then if you point this out they will smugly talk about Topre switch lifespan like as if HHKB is the only Topre keyboard on the market with Topre switches and failing to realize that they could have got 100% Topre keyboard like a JDL or Realforce for equal to or less than the price they would have actually payed for the HHKB. All the while these guys will either deliberately leave out or simply not know that, while Topre switches have a long lifespan, Topre switches are highly susceptible to water damage and once a switch dies you need to replace the whole board. But they often don't know any of that because all they know is the brand recognition and marketing behind HHKB and how it is supposedly the patrician's keyboard of choice along with the appealing contrarianism of owning a keyboard that is not actually trully mechanical.

>>105989277
Plate is easy. PCB? Not so much. You are better of using keyboard layout editor and exporting the custom layout you made as a json file which you can then upload to keyboard CAD assistant to get a dxf file of the plate. Then you send out the dxf to an acrylic or metal laser cutting service and get a keyboard plate for less than 50. From there you plug in the MX switches into the plate and handwire a matrix across them all and them connect them to a microcontroller like a teensy flashed with QMK.

Best place to buy fluorescent green keycaps with text?

>>106007490
Found this on alie:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EInvWRc

What is the typical method of switching between layers for people who use many layers?

>>106007490
Was gonna say GMK Hi Viz but that is hilariously expensive

>>106007490
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008519056661.html

>>106007135
NTA, but I would go with a fuckton of shift registers to avoid ghosting. I wonder what input latency I could get. might do some experiments with my Arduino Micro later.

>>106002887
All of the pleats

V6 Max or barebones Monsgeek M5?

>>106007111
>pseudointellectual
stopped reading right there

>>106009827
M5 is more heavy

>>106010027
Filtered.

>>106011108
Pseudointellectual is a word which appeals exclusively to people for whom the idea of "the intellectual" inspires awe; discriminating who is or who is not a "true" intellectual is important for this sort of person; I don't need to read anything written by that sort of mind. The filter is for my benefit.

>>106011215
>Pseudointellectual is a word which appeals exclusively to people for whom the idea of "the intellectual" inspires awe
No I am describing insufferable faggots who try act or look smarter than they actually are, much like what you are trying to do now.

>>106011252
Oh no, someone who tries to write intelligent posts. What a plague. Would that we only had shitposters who don't care how worthless and retarded their posts sound

>>106011404
>Would that we only had shitposters who don't care how worthless and retarded their posts sound
Sounds nice actually. Regardless people who like HHKBs are fags

Thilkiest switches?

>>106011820
Thik?

>>106012216
I thought it was thockiest

>>106009827
Decided with V6 Max. Monsgeek would've ended up at Q6 max prices probably.

>>106012667
My best guess is vintage or broken in cherry blacks with SA caps and a hollow case. My maltron is pretty "thocky" when I swap out to SA and that is all vintage cherry blacks

What's the must Thulean Hyperborean keyboard with the most Vril?

>>106012216
Thilk, like a silky thock

>>106012739
V6 max is a good board—with some mods

>noctua numpad keycaps still ooc, and now the base kit
this hobby sucks

>>105985812
i have some lead weight laying around.

>>105952094
>what the appeal of these keyboards is?
for me its the speed of key registry. If you've been used to the old-style, membrane-type keyboards, you would understand how crispy mechanical (and even hall-effect sensor) keyboards are today. Also remember, not all of us just keep our PC at home. Myself for instance- I travel to different countries constantly and primarily use a powerful laptop for everything. So having a thin, compact, wireless, reliable 60% keyboard is something I cherish.
>>105952118
if you do gaming, writing or use a keyboard often- a tactile and swift keyboard is enjoyable. Especially for gaming, where the slightest key press would be preferred for fast-paced competitive games. Now, if all you do is basic web-surfing or simple emails- it isn't for you. For us who constantly chat, write, game, use macros for certain apps, travel- its almost a necessity.

why are zoomers are like this.

>>106007071
i fell for the UPS meme. don't think it's gonna come today. maybe next week, motherfuckers. Been sitting at "reschedule delivery requested" since 9 pm last night now.

>>106016116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJwKKKd2ZYE

>>106015043
What does it sound like

Any of you have any experience with non plastic keycaps? I've seen ceramic and metal ones, not sure how they'd feel though, worried they'd feel awkward.

Replacing my old switches and I'm curious if I should grab new keycaps too

>>106017075
Not sure about about metal, but I know ceramic is a meme with little to no upside

>>106017075
Seen glass and wooden keycaps, no idea how they are though, maybe some has some experience with them too. Hell any non plastic material would be cool to hear a perspective on.

>>106013193
I think attempting to do this would just end up looking like an embarrassing larp. Just try to put together the nicest keyboard possible that suits your own desk environment.

I love my keyboard

>>106017640
I don't love my keyboards but they're getting closer to being keyboards I could love. Just need to adjust a few more things.

>>106016116
art is dead. they need consoomerist distractions top feel anything.
>>106016913
case in point

>>106016116
Split columnar stagger boards are older than zoomers. Counting non-splits like the kinesis & maltron they're older than you.

>>106018125
>art is dead. they need consoomerist distractions top feel anything.
You're getting mixed up with millenials, anon

>>106018722
no, I am not. millenials at least have had a chance to get a glimpse of pre-internet world, where art was everything for teenagers. zoomers and especially alfags were drowning in bland slop and brainrot from the very start.

Kek holy based

What is the purpose of long pole stabilizers?

>>106018878
To be use with long pole switches that are less than 3.5mm total travel distance

>>106018953
And what do they do differently on those switches vs normal stabilizers

>>106018746
Half the shit you are describing about "early internet" can apply to zoomers. Zoomers were around for the flash boom and early video sharing where internet media creation and art was at it's most untainted. Millenials were the demographic to eat up capeshit and buy funko pops and millenials were the demographic to use reddit and feed themselves ads.

>>106018974
So they don't seesawing and destroy your keycap stems

>>106017747
I spent hours trying to get perfect stabs and now they are, I'm beyond happy I fucking love my keyboard

do you use the rgb lights on your keyboard for anything? my keyboard has some nice adjustable lights and white milky transparent case but I never use it, I usually just turn on my desk lamp when it's dark

>>105948969
that's super cheap, how?

>>105952094
customizable aesthetic, typing feel and sound. longevity. some switch stopped working after few years? just replace it. you basically have keyboard for life.

>>105982984
the second ideal layout after 75% imo. the ideal layout if you need all the 9 navigation and editing keys.

What's the most you've spent on switches?

>>106020085
Probably my Boba U4Ts.

>>106019545
I rarely turn them on but they are nice to have

should i get low profile keycaps or should i just get a low profile keyboard.

should i upgrade my redragon pollux?

>>105955543
this but nuphy air96 or keychron k15max

bros being 24 for some reason makes my left ring and pinky finger hurts so much each time i hit left control and left shift. would an alice keeb helps me with this predicament or nah? i'm looking at cidoo abm066 or akko alice pro plus

wdyt bros? sorry can't make it HD enough

>>106020690
Just switch to R3 control

>>106021139
(picrel, my keyboard rn)

>>106020897
>blacked arrow keys

>>106020897
>>106021455

>>106020897
Post programmer socks.

>>105955543
>There's nothing gayer than manchildren endlessly gooning over keyboards like it's a serious intellectual or aesthetic endeavor.
I think chemsex parties where men take meth and poppers to relax their anus and then sodomize strangers they met on the internet are gayer

>>106021767
Do you know first hand?

>>106019763
By being fr*nch. One of the biggest electronics retailer here had them on clearance. Also tried to get a Q10 for 25 bucks but they sold out too quickly

>>106021157
Kek that thing looks like my redragon pollux. Looks nice. Solid What's it's called? Is it wireles as well?
What's r3 control though? You mean right control button?

>>106021455
>>106021511
Damn, i just realized it know after you pointed it out. Nothing else from the store catches my eye honestly. Maybe this cat one instead?

These couple days I've been into more ntr/nts porn/doujins. I even tried that NTR phone game from itch.io. what a cohencidence.


>>106021585
I'm dumb as fuck honestly. Spent 5 years in compsci and cant code or build basic crud app due too much gooning.

fullsize/1800 is the only correct computing gigachad layout. any layout omitting arrowkeys, numpad, or f row are irrelevant . "just learn layers" is a well-designed coping mechanism used to rationalize being a key-let. a true patricians keyboard will have as many keys as possible, starting at a minimum of fullsize/1800 and going up from there.

a true computing gigachad is not afraid of learning new discrete hotkeys, he embraces them

he does not mind being excluded from most keycap sets due to lack of keys, he wears this as a badge of honor

he does not mind spending triple digits on switches and stabilizers for a single set, he invests into his passion

he is not put off from his board weighing more than his desk, he knows this overengineered hunk of alloys doubles as a self defense tool

he does not give a fuck about what silly design is on the bottom, as he is the only one powerful enough to lift it up and inspect it. but he has more important things to do

true computing gods know these truths to be self-evident

not mechanical (or maybe if it exists) but is there a half decent keyboard with a built in trackpad? need it for watching anime in bed.

preferentially wireless rechargeable + backlit

>>106024001
Row 3 control (since it would be R3 in a GMK set). Control where caps lock normally goes.

That's a Daring Run Flip 6p, they were pretty cheap for a full aluminum in-stock keyboard but needed some work to eliminate some bad case noises. I've really come to like it because it has the bounciest typing feel of any board I've owned, and it's a very useful layout.

It does have wireless as well. I wonder if they'll ever do another round of these.

>>106024273
>he does not mind being excluded from most keycap sets due to lack of keys,
Excluded? Full-size? Which keycap set doesn't support a simple full-size?

>>106020085
Bought enough ZealPC Clickiez to do an FRL 96% with a few leftover (in case defective/etc), that was kinda expensive. "On sale" lol

>>106020085
Probably this, which turned into $850 after tax & shipping (and minus a bit from a discount). This was before the weights were renamed for the bottom out rather than peak weight.

I like basic color schemes like this

>>106029041
I don't think brown legends and an accent color spacebar are a "basic color scheme"

>>106025350
Alcatrooz

>>106029818
looks like trash.

What does o ring dampener even do? I heard people say it makes it feels like typing on low profile

>>106030529
It shortens key travel time

>>106030850
>>106030850
>>106030850

>>105978686
SA Dasher and SA Dancer (reversed)

>>106029041
noctua

>>106030972
Shit I just realized

>>106025731
good point, I meant more like base sets. many base sets exclude numpad and split it into child sets (usually with much lower stock). fair, since most people buying this crap are key-lets, but it does make buying older sets much more difficult.