Thread 105967335

Even software engineers who insist that AI isn't ready yet aren't immune.

Forgot link
https://www.businessinsider.com/laid-off-from-tech-job-now-pursuing-career-in-welding-2025-7

whys her hair like that and whys her eyeliner like that

>>105967335 (OP)
I'd kms if I had to give up my remote travel life to do slave caste labor in some overpriced nigger infested city.
In any case, this bitch looks retarded

>>105967335 (OP)
I wish I had never taken programming as a career in this era

>>105967335 (OP)
so... she has her dyke partner put this up to flash her resumé...?

>>105967335 (OP)
I took up a Trade Job, and I'm very happy that I did.
Instead of busting my ass off for years, and be left with a high degree, but no places to accept it, I can pretty much pick-and-chose where I want to be employed now.

Work is very simple. Help end users with daily IT problems, ranging from setting up an extra monitor, to installing MS Office add-ons.

The pay is obviously the big difference in this, but I feel that shouldn't be the driving factor.
Find a job you like doing, and you wont have to work another day in your life.

>>105967335 (OP)
>idea-less roastie cant leverage ai
i mean
i would love ai to be able to help
t. solodev

but its trash
what the hypeNIGGERS call ai is just a dyslexic chatbot

>>105967713
Cope.

>>105967335 (OP)
i actually do use ai pretty heavily in my workflow
but as a correlation machine with a human interface
not to generate code like a mentally retarded child

robots are doing welding too. if you're new you won't get any job because the experienced welders are getting the job scraps that weren't automated away.

>>105967730
>t. cant even into reading comprehension
saar?

>>105967354
WHAT A FEELING

>>105967745
this
plus any newer place just gets a laser welder
a baby can use one of those and get good welds

>>105967335 (OP)
i miss the shitty jobs i had when i was young that would let me interact with physical stuff and move around and talk to people while doing it
sitting at the computer all day makes me want to max level myself sometimes

>>105967745
>because of course you lug a 5 axis robot to an underwater construction site
lol. lmao even
>>105967755
retard

>>105967335 (OP)
>software engineers
programmers

>>105967335 (OP)
>welding
>leaving tech industry
That tranny has no clue what it is talking about.

>>105967771
>programmers
codemonkeys
if only

>>105967769
>underwater
one of the few trade jobs that pay well and the average person isn't getting them

>>105967793
i was being dramatical
but welding is massively used evcerywhere
and robots are suitable as solution only for line production applications
whatever happens outside a factory is made by humans
were just cheaper and more convenient. for now

But I thought welders and machinists were super mega dead and they all needed to learn to code?

>>105967335 (OP)
Welding is skilled labour.
It takes years to learn and even more to master. What a bullshit fucking article.

>>105967815
dont be too cocky
the only reason welders arent getting replaced is because tech companies didnt think yet of renting robots as opposed to selling them

the only thing separating us from dystopia is a couple ideas in the domain of marketing of all things

>>105967747
In my case is señor Doe (I'm mexican)

>>105967806
>>105967830
>and robots are suitable as solution only for line production applications
>for now
https://x.com/Tesla_Optimus/status/1925047336256078302
not even now

>>105967834
>https://x.com/Tesla_Optimus/status/1925047336256078302
:/
these kinds of robots

ofc the optimus shit aint gonna be tip top
theres no economical incentive for it to be
or rather
the marketingroids didnt figure out the viability and ease of integration of a subscription model
because theyre by large pathological liars and therefore automatically retarded

>>105967869
optimus could replace you today

>>105967893
no.
indisputably, no
i have several trades. yes, *several.
experience in marketing (client management, marketing strategies), team leading
and programming. c, opencl, but ive also done html, css, js, paiton, a smidge of sepples and some glsl
i have the profile of a decision maker
i will never be replaced

>>105967924
optimus and grok4 could replace you then

>>105967869
>>105967834
the main problem is for every novel situation you would need someone to operate the stupid robot arm, so why not just send the guy operating it by himself
>bbbut ai and machine vision and
how will it tell which hole in a deck is supposed to be there or not (or which specific one has been paid for to weld shut while the others will just be bondo'd up)

>>105967929
>how will it tell which hole in a deck is supposed to be there or not
the same way you do

>>105967335 (OP)
yes, everyone go do some other job.

>>105967941
perfect non-answer. you're ready for a career in marketing (until LLMs eat that too, the industry crashes, and everyone is replaced by jeets in a panic)

>>105967372
T____y

>>105967372
it's called fashion, look it up.

>>105967956
>non-answer
its a literal answer
you were told by someone on what hole to weld/fill etc
literally tell optimus the same thing

>>105967928
nope.
hopes and dreams
even in some future hypothetical scenario when ai actually becomes good someone has to be liable
that person will be me

i will never get replaced
ultimately, for reasons totally unrelated to technology, kek

>>105967929
>how will it tell which hole in a deck is supposed to be there or not
thats the easiest problem of them all
you do like irl
you check against the architect's plan

since its a deck were talking about before placing the planks there has to be a quality control mechanism involved
and thats actually one of the things MLAI is good at
especially when visual recognition is involved

>>105967335 (OP)
laid off once and she's ready to change careers. purge the casuals who were only doing software for easy money.

>>105967990
>someone has to be liable
not really

>>105967993
yes really
its kinda fundamental
>get contracted to build a bridge
>bridge collapses, 100s dead
>>dont look at me, its the ai
>shrug emoji, seinfeld jingle, roll credits

>>105967984
grim

>>105967335 (OP)
Too many cope ITT.
Programmers don't want to admit that they are being replaced.

>>105967990
>you check against the architect's plan
lol
lmao

how does the robot get to the place it's welding

>>105968010
most welders work in fab shops making the same shit over and over again for like $20/hour. it sounds like torture.

>>105968021
yeah i know but i have a solution for that too
fukken scan the room
(worst architect fuckup i saw was a 5 cm mistake in measurments IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. counter top was 5 cms too large, kitchen furniture below was 5 cms too small. had to improvise a blank from leftover plinths)

I actually started a training in welding. My current internship is very hard because it's hell to switch from being a reasonably competent webshit to a completely clueless wannabe weldie. I constantly feel ashamed and frustrated no being able to do simple task and perform basic welds correctly.

It's nice to be away from the screen and every bullshits related to a programming job. But it's a dangerous field of work, and being exposed to it "for real" actually made me question my choices a bit.

Picking a trade because "ai will replace developers" makes no sense though

>>105968021
>>105968049
>plinths
i mean skirting board
in french its called 'plinthe'

>>105968034
It sits in a robotaxi
Same way you get to your job in a few years time(if you still have one)
>>105968005
The company is held responsible instead of lumping it all on a scapegoat

Here is another thing to consider. You are also going to be competing against all the drivers without jobs too. Drivers make up a huge chunk of jobs

>>105968070
>inb4 robotaxis aren't real
You can go ride in one right now

>>105968070
>blocks your path

also lmao yeah just the company is liable. i guess the company itself will go to jail when it kills someone

>>105967335 (OP)
Is there leetcode for welding?

>>105968070
yeah but they dont have the curriculum
lmao are you seriously saying youre gonna expect from an alcoholic truck driver to do a feasibility study in the tech domain?

think how utterly insane that is

>>105968094
yes actually, there's common drills on stuff no one does anymore or is literally a boilerplate operation. the most common is writing your name in cursive in a big bead on a piece of scrap

>>105968102
>alcoholic truck driver to do a feasibility study in the tech domain?
No
But I expect him to weld and compete in all the trade fields
And then the smarter tradies will compete in the tech fields while gpt5-6-7(other models too obviously) decimate tech jobs

Its a race to the bottom once the first axe falls

>>105967335 (OP)
I'm 10 years into my programming career. If you're a skilled programmer you're honestly more set than ever.

Reason is: juniors today have NO FUCKING CLUE what they are doing. Barely understand what a terminal is or how to use it, let alone have even a rudimentary understanding of how a computer works. There's a huge gap between a junior and senior and LLMs are making the gap worse.

I'm a little concerned that once the graybeards writing car firmware or w/e retire we're going to have a ton of lost knowledge and no one will know how the fuck to write some of this stuff

>>105968142
>But I expect him to weld and compete in all the trade fields
yeah no
thats dumb
theyre gonna enter into the field and compete with people who have 10+ years of experience in the field for decision making position
like mine

i mean, they can try
but id do uber if i were them
sounds like less of a waste of time. decent money too, i hear
when youre 30+ you dont have the luxury of trying, you have to succeed
fukken 40 year old alcoholic truck drivers who want to write ai
lamao
i dont know what the fuck youre smoking but you should stop

>>105968171
>I'm a little concerned that once the graybeards writing car firmware or w/e retire we're going to have a ton of lost knowledge and no one will know how the fuck to write some of this stuff
good. mechanical and non-computer electrical engineers are still trained properly and control systems should be analog anyhow

>>105968182
Yeah you have the smarts and ego of management alright
>uber
Literally going to get nuked by robotaxi + optimus
>>105968171
You tried a llm in terminal yet?
Have a look at gemini cli.

>>105968203
>Literally going to get nuked by robotaxi + optimus
again, liability problem

you cargo cultists are utterly retarded

>>105968213
Bigger the bottom walks from the car to the shop and back
Them from the car to your door and back
Its perfectly capable of doing that
And robotaxis are literally out delivering customers right now

>>105968213
Nta but companies don't care about liability. They use pajeets for airplanes keeek

>>105968213
>liability problem
Its not a problem
Robots and robot taxis are out on the streets already

>>105968213
>liability
not actually a thing

>>105968235
yeah no
you dont understand

the liability problem is that you wanna have a mong whos behind the wheel so that if your ml fucks up which it will unavoidably do, you can wipe with the driver by transferring liability onto him

just shush already
you know fuck all about ai
about robotics
and about doing business
using an additional robot? are you fucking retarded?
engineering-wise its another point of failure
and added complexity compared to a servo
and cost wise youre giving another company your money

this is retarded
you are retarded
listen more talk less you will become less retarded

>>105968260
>Robots and robot taxis are out on the streets already
because nobody sued them yet
lamao

corpos are profoundly retarded
but vc has a special status among them

I need a tranny wielder gf

>>105968270
>the liability problem is that you wanna have a mong whos behind the wheel
Have you been living under a rock for s few years?
You can go catch a driverless taxi in American cities right now
We have pilotless drone deliveries too
Like????

>>105968270
>and cost wise youre giving another company your money
Its the same company. Tesla
He was out serving popcorn the other day.
I think you are just coping and grasping at straws

>>105967738
>Tabular output for severe ADHD
>Checkered flag emoji for emotional validation

>>105968316
>I think you are just coping and grasping at straws
because you know fuck all about engineering, cargo cultist
and so you make it a personal attack

>>105968297
>picrel
yeah
driverless taxis with drivers

such driverlessness

>>105968320
sum of unintentional infuences which turned out to be a useful whole
i think even the openai engineers wouldnt be able to explain this half lobotomized model

>>105967827
are you implying she was good at whatever her job was

>>105968332
>driverless taxis with drivers
>WERE
God you cant even google or read properly
Literally just google if waymos are fully autonomous.

>muh pedigree
Yeah i am going to be really happy when gpt6 replaces you lot

>>105968362
>Yeah i am going to be really happy when gpt6 replaces you lot
i was suspecting this was about your own inadequacy

you should have been born with better genes
idk sue your parents or something
its not gonna chnage your genes but maybe youll feel better

>>105968374
I am your boss moron

>>105968384
cope overload

>>105968384
ntm
>waymo-basedface.jpg
there is accidents
there is retarded shit going on

>2025
also
>fleet of 1200 vehicles
>~150 accidents until march this year

i mean
wtflmao

>>105968485
>>105968474
Still coping?
Look up how safe they are compared to regular drivers
The real liability is letting flesh bags behind the wheel.

>>105968508
yeah no, i dont think 10% of all drivers were involved in a crash in the first 3 months of this year
you are completely retarded
especially because you dont know when to stop
https://www.damfirm.com/waymo-accident-statistics.html

>>105968203
>You tried a llm in terminal yet?
Yes, I've also used Copilot and Cursor. Claude, Grok, ChatGPT for the normal LLM interaction.

I don't have anything against them but I found them to be more annoying than helpful, ESPECIALLY Copilot/Cursor. I think Grok/Claude/ChatGPT are pretty helpful for refactoring though. If I write some dumb 200LoC function they can at least give me some advice on how I might break it up.

The problem is that it's making some junior programmers dumber and unable to solve even really basic problems. Some of these juniors don't even read the fucking error messages they encounter - just copy/paste it to their LLM of choice. More often than not it gives them an overengineered or flat out wrong answer.

>>105968341
>guy on the far right
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....

>>105968508
>>105968537
theyre actually safer per mile driven
i find it completely retarded thyat they use ml for this application
but if it werks, then it werks i guess

2nd time im wrong today
i must be too sober

>>105968341
sovl

>>105968665
>only drives in restricted and meticulously mapped areas with limited speeds and driving conditions
>always has an army of Indians ready to intervene remotely if anything goes wrong
I'm honest in 2014 I believed Musk when he said two more years until self driving will be ready, I even delayed getting my own license because I thought it was just around the corner. However, 10+ years later the technology is still not at the point where it can be a drop-in replacement for an average human driver, like with everything the last 10% are the hardest and I'm doubtful we'll be closing in on the last 5% of the problem in the next decade.

>>105967335 (OP)
I have a friend that's a high level welder working on expensive appliances like fancy stoves and such, he hates his job because it sucks to get really good at welding only to have to make the same 10 welds over and over again

>>105968641
sorry anon, but if you can't hold a 200 loc function in your head and simulate its execution in time to break it up then i have bad news for you.

>>105968745
unironically when i played gmod more, my most basic avionics suite for a shitty plane that didnt even perform very well (more for physical engineering reasons; the canards would entirely flip under high G turns because I was too low IQ for the Advanced Ball Socket joint that would let me give it a proper positive stop) was probably over 200 lines

>>105967335 (OP)
>37
>FUCKING THRITY SEVEN YEARS OLD
How the fuck is she not retired? Why the fuck would she need to "weld"!?
In europe, after like 10 years as a SWE you'd be financially independent unless you had a family the whole time and were the only provider.

>>105968714
yeah but as a counter-point:
theyre driving in cities
and cities are where the most accidents happen

once they can handle cities- they most likely will be able to handle highways
https://justinkek.medium.com/alphabets-waymo-a-technical-study-on-autonomous-vehicle-tech-c128180ab2c5#cdac
its not straightforward ML tho
no, siree
>Waymo’s inferencesystem is composed of a combination of Bayesian networks, hidden Markov models and decision trees [33].
in fact, its very symbolic at its core
like one would expect

fkin cargo cultists wrong again

>>105967372
>her

>>105968912
>F22
>le ebin scary

>cries and shids and fards when it rains

I dunno about you fellas but I would have sex with her

>>105968184
>control systems should be analog anyhow
based

>>105969231
Traction Control? I find it quite Hectic.

>>105968341
what is adam lanza doing there

Good golly gee goodness i wonder what will happen to the price of skilled trade labor if 10 million jobless codemonkeys start piling into trade schools and jobsites

>>105969745
Finally... I can renoflip my house for pennies on the dollar... Number go back up...

>>105969745
>>105969871
hopes and dreams
theyre all gonna go retail
i would bet my last euro on that

>>105967335 (OP)
>Is it time to Learn 2 Weld?
Fuck off we're full. Not even joking, the salaries are going down because of the sheer amount of former senior devs and jeets flowing in the trades. If you haven't already gotten a solid spot last year - you don't stand a chance.

>>105969871
Wait are you telling me that this is a coordinated effort to push down the price of labor in a field that has high demand but low supply?

>>105969883
>theyre all gonna go retail
lmao. Retail has been overcrowded for a decade and it's being swiftly replaced by automated kiosks/terminals and AI assistants.

>>105969943
Even without Le Ebin AI Blockchain 3d Printed etc etc nonsense, retail and similar min wage jobs have always been heavily saturated.
The only reason it's not all automated is because the cost of labor is already so low that it doesn't cover R&D and retrofitting. That and part of the shopping/dining experience boomers want is to yell at a pasty-faced 16 year old.

>>105969943
then theyre gonna compete with the bottom of the barrel
i hardly can imagine onions-type people making their place in a construction job
even as apprentices
imagine a 30 year old fuck with the mucscle mass and bone density of an 11 year old girl from years of bad habits and lack of physical stimulation

i mean
wtf do you do with such a man?
the young have enthusiasm so to speak
the old have experience
what do you do with a man who has neither?

>>105970027
pay them money so they can supplant their huamn instincts to create and destroy with the animal instincts of providing for themselves and their family

>>105970093
holy skitzo
if you wanna play social go ahead
because theyre not my problem
its a simple equation of what they can provide vs what they will cost
as entrepreneur you'd rather have 2 men you pay 1.5 times the market rate and they deliver 5x the norm
than 5 workers you pay 0.75x market rate
but whom you have to babysit for them to deliver 2x the norm in the end
its simple maths
its also long term cooperation
unless youre building pyramids. or pick strawberries, where you need raw manpower

>>105970093
>>105970134
in fact
you dont want incompetents on the job unless its a really big job, like total renovation etc
the problem when an apprentice fucks up
you have to undo his shit
then make things properly
so the apprentice lost time
and you lost demo + the same time again
incompetents cost you money
and dont even think about bringing them for transformations or enovations in the high end stuff
fukken
even pros fuck up now and again
and then you have to unfuck things
like what do you do if while transporting an apprentice scratches the fuck out of an inox-clad lift?
because a similar thing hapenned
i think its one of the neighbors came by and scratched the lift to put us in deep because people are fucked in the head like that

>>105970134
>>105970192
didn't read, go back to >>>/trash/haha

>>105970134
>holy skitzo you want to pay people to have jobs????
Highly Protestant Post, reaching even Mormon levels

>>105967335 (OP)
>My path into software engineering wasn't direct. I followed a friend into tech and started doing manual testing, knowing nothing; I was just doing user experience work. I self-studied, paid for virtual classes, and bugged all of my software engineer friends until I could get a job as a software engineer.
lmao.
"engineer" my ass.

>>105970222
construction is technology
and leadership is a softskill that transcends disciplines
you can choke on my long hairy cock, mcwagie

>>105967335 (OP)
Welding will give you like a 10 year career lifeline before the robots take it away

>>105967335 (OP)
i'm thinking of taking up mongolian basket-weaving

>>105970404
that sucks why bother

>>105967372
Its a dude dressed up, dummy

>>105967335 (OP)
She was obviously a diversity hire.

>>105970564
>She
HE
FTFY

ITT: Slaves brag about being slaves and about their paper fun tickets they think are money.

Meanwhile, I live happy life day-to-day without a care in the world.

>>105970537
Yes, that's exactly how they want you to think

>>105967335 (OP)
yep learn to plumb.

>>105967335 (OP)
I can safely assure you that that woman did nothing of value in tech, and has certainly not taken up any kind of welding job, either.

>>105967372
Attention. She'd get more attention if she had cancer and that's be the better hair choice.

>>105967335 (OP)
she bad my nigga

>>105970404
Or immigrants even more

>>105968979
East EU? Because SWE in euro pays like dog shit and only way you're getting independence is if you transfer there from US and live a simple life with some passive income.

>>105967335 (OP)
Welding isn't a fun job in the long run. You'll work in awkward positions, fuck up your eyes, need to take certification tests now and then...
Maybe her idea about welding is something what she can for 15 minutes a day.

>>105970027
Im 36 and laid off senior dev but I played football, wrestling and can currently rep 225 for 5 and could beat your ass will you let me apprentice for you? I also do bowling league with tradies because I always deeply resented my kind and grew up rural.

>>105967335 (OP)
Yeah she wasn't read for her glorified HR secretary job to be taken by an AI kek

>>105967354
>tabloid insider

>>105967929
Well, for example, industrial robots like on the pic are used for either humanly impossible jobs like lifting a 10 ton metal things while rotating and welding it or for extremely fast 24/7 assembly lines or packaging. Humanoid robots are just toys for rich people or for entertainment companies to put put as an attraction for public. Actual real cases for using robots is to surpass human limitations and it doesn't actually replace humans, unless you dream about standing in front of a conveyor for 16 hours and screwing caps on toothpaste tubes

>>105974399
>making a purposeful robot
vs
>spamming teslabots for everything

>>105968057
It's not dangerous if you simply comply with safety measures. Incidents happen because people get comfortable and lazy.

>>105968341
They are pretty fashionable though. Bring ugly is another question

>>105967335 (OP)
> no blue collar jobs due to unchecked immigration
Learn to code
> no white collar jobs due to unchecked immigration
> learn a trade

How do so many people not see it

>>105967626
You will never be a real programmer.

>>105974424
yup 10 years from now tradies will be flooded.

>>105968341
Is this edited?

>Entry Level Front-End Welding Associate
>We at WeldCorp.com are delighted to present to you this offer at our Company!
>When you join our expert team you will be responsible for:
>Representing the Company through good quality of your work on various projects
>Creating added Value™ for our Customers
>Creating and maintaining brand visibility across industries
>Managing growth in several focus areas
>Performing maintenance on our Platforms
>and finally welding

>Our requirements
>3+ YoE on at least 2 industry standard welding frameworks such as AgileMIG/Data Driven TIG/Electron based Electrode/Arc++ Weld
>a rich portfolio of previously completed projects, including those for shipping and rail transport industry
>Bester Certified Welding Associate (BCWA) and WeldTIA are strongly suggested certificates to have
>Ability to adapt to ever changing design requirements due to Agile™ welding methodology -- we weld in short 4 hour Sprints and at the end of each Sprint we gather to discuss work progress

>>105967335 (OP)
>welding
bad idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0QmYRn3ToQ

>>105967335 (OP)
EV Repair Mechanic probably is a better career switch, it need higher skilled workers and will likely be in demand. Not sure when that will also get automated though but seems unlikely or a decade

>>105975077
Some tradie job postings unironically look like this these days

>>105967713
These retards took over sociology and other 'arts' degrees which resulted in their dominance in academia but resulted in developing a core base that is inherently anti tech and anti innovation because any tech threateans to disrupt existing job markets.
You might not know this but there was a time when commies opposed computers because it threatened the employment of clarks and other salarymen.
https://x.com/RishiJoeSanu/status/1884530293090275612
Now we are seeing even the stemoids aligned with them are falling for their memes and sabotaging their own futures in the name of anti ai sentiment. I advice all sensible /g/tards in here to not fall for the memes(both here and in reddit) and sabotage your future our . I did a huge mistake by deleting my social media in my 20s listening to all the privacy and open sores cucks and it took years and years of rebuilding my lost connections to build my career back on track. Unless you are some trust fund fueled nepo kid like Luke or already in comfortable position and sitting on fuck you money that you don't care, don't fall for any of the new neo luddite /g/ and reddit memes.

>>105967372
Average welder chick. Probably not even trans.

>>105967771
>npm create vite@latest
I'm a software engineer now

>>105967815
>machinists were super mega dead and they all needed to learn to code?
I get random, six figure job offers 2-3 times a year just from mentioning to rando's that I'm a machinist, and that's before I even tell them any actual qualifications.