Thread 106020757

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>/iemg/ told me $20 IEMs sound better than any headphones
/iemg/ is a chinese shill zone. Do not take anything they say seriously.

>Headphone Power Calculator
https://www.headphonesty.com/headphone-power-calculator/

>The King:
Argon-modded Fostex T50RP MK3 ($295)

>Sub-$99
• Philips SHP9500 / SHP9600
• Audio-Technica ATH-M40x
• Shure SRH440
• Fostex TH7
• Used Sony MDR-7506

>$150~$250
• AKG K371
• AKG K612 Pro
• Phillips Fidelio X2HR
• Sennheiser HD6XX (amp required)
• Shure SRH840
• Fostex T50RP MK3 (remember to mod)

>$300-$500
• Audio Technica ATH-R70x (amp required)
• Drop + Dan Clark Audio Aeon Closed/Open
• Audeze Maxwell (Gaming Headset, but unironically good)
• Used/Discounted Focal Clear OG (not Mg)
• Sennheiser HD600 (amp required)
• Fostex T60RP (mod-friendly) (amp required)

Avoid all Chinese-brand headphones. Bad quality, waste of money.

>Recommended DAC/amp:
• JCally JM20 / Any dongle/miniDAC with an AK4377 or CS43131 chip
• JDS Atom - $99
• RME ADI-2 (many DSP features) - $1200

Measurements and recommended information(tentative):
https://pastebin.com/XK9E6PZ9

Previous thread: >>105983573

>>106020757 (OP)
nobody cares about your ai posting, and they never will :(

>>106020757 (OP)
>when she takes my BWC

>>106020770
Wrong.

>>106020757 (OP)
so... any dt 770 pro x non-le proper review/measurements yet?
>are you gonna keep asking this every thread
yes, it's been more than a month since a supposedly non-treble rape dt 770 came out and nobody gives a shit? stop making mami suffer

>>106020984
The 770s are the most hated and reviled headphones among young people these days. You won’t get anyone who’s bought them. If they did, they’d feel too guilty about it to share. Owning a pair of 770s is like being into incest and vore, you don’t want to share that shit casually.

>>106021095
>770 are the most hated among young people
Reddit take

>>106021095
>You won’t get anyone who’s bought them
the top 5/6 spots in the bestseller ranking for studio headphones on thomann/amazon is routinely taken up by the 770 pro, they are literally the most popular headphones in the entire category but sure, stay in your bubble.
>Owning a pair of 770s is like being into incest and vore
incest and vore isn't the most popular sexual kink out there, not even close.

>>106021095
>among young people
so you are admitting they are only bad according to zoomers consuming bluetooth slop, how is that a problem lmao

>>106020757 (OP)
btw just an observation
the fact that the ai was able to draw the 770/990 pro so accurately while completely fucking up thesennheiser hd800s and focals is proof of its popularity being significantly higher than other studio headphones.
the images this model was trained on definitely contained a fuckload of instances of beyer headphones, it's actually insane how accurately they are depicted, didn't even fuck up the text, only obvious flaw is the lack of logo/text on the slider but that's likely intentional since it would've been too much microdetail for such art style.
I'd be curious to see one with a pair of 7506 next, those would probably come up quite accurate as well.
I hate ai slop but this is neat desu.

Any good headphones yet

>>106022465
Focal Clear OG

>>106022465
nope, never will

>>106022525
What if I don't hate subbass.

>>106021010
bait used to be believable

>>106022465
le tungsten?

>MFW headphone threads are alive and well
Yay! :3

Argons are awful why are they in the OP?

>>106022605
Cause the OP is a whore pushing their own purchases as if they're the best thing since sliced bread.

>>106022605
you know, anyone can make the op and add whatever the fuck they feel like. especially when new hpg threads got stopped being made for a bit. heck, a Beyerfag could easily make the next thread and just add their 770 and 1990 to the list.
No one bothers to read that outdated shit anyways. the pastebin is even broken, yet its still there

>>106022656
>>106022646
I'm trying to understand the mentality of an argon enjoyer. Like, how bad is your hearing?

>>106022540
I'm listening to mine right now and they have the best bass I've ever heard from a pair of headphones.
If you're not getting bass then EQ them some more, or pump in more watts.

>>106022575
>alive
kinda
>and well
not really

What's the best way to EQ headphones? I have that program + PEACE extension, so I don't mean software-wise. I mean I just got Aune SR7000s and I want to make them sound more like my HD6XXs because I love the "veiled" sound of Sennies.
Is there some sort of music or sounds I can listen to and adjust what I'm hearing step by step? Or do I have to sit there like a sperg and fuck all my shit up with an eq until it sounds good to me?

>>106023224
squiglink. look for a someone who has both headphones, the eq them to each other, wont be perfect, but it can get you started
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsijHAVLbuY&t=322s

>>106023224
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/
for iems but a lot of it applies to headphones

>>106023224
Also I have Topping D10. Be real with me, are people that talk about DACs sounding different cooked cunts or is it real?
Similar to amps, I have a Schiit Fula 2, but I'm using a XDUOO MT-603 6JI fucken chink tube amp because I'm an absolute legend. Does this shit make a difference or is it all psychobabble?

>>106023346
mostly psychobabble
see the link below, these 2 fags are renowned source reviewers, see how they perform with a very shitty blind test that is heavily biased in their favor
https://youtu.be/KzOpdXe5pRU

>>106023284
I tried Squiglink to eq my SR7000s to harman, and it sounded like shit.
I also used le reddit's Oratory1990 eq to harman for my HD6XX and it sounded good.
Seems like there's not a decent reading on the SR7000s to play off just yet.
But what the hell, I'll give it a go, nothing to lose.

>>106023224
Adding to what the other anons said, if you want an automated solution there's autoeq.app and peqdb.com. Autoeq auto generates a harman preset based on a measurement of the headphone and has bass and treble sliders. But since the preset is generated anew each time results may vary. Peqdb gives you a slider and you adjust the sound until it sounds the way you like and generates an eq preset based on your preferences later. If you don't want to eq by hand these are fine but sometimes the auto generated eq presets are kind of shit. But it's good for generating presets for headphones that have no ready man made presets yet.
>>106023346
Mostly psychobabble but R2R chips create additional distortion and also roll off the sound over 10k. Tube amps are kind of similar since they distort sound too which makes the sound seem "warmer". These are the only real exceptions, though. Most DACs are fully transparent and a more expensive model won't give any sound improvements.

>>106023443
peqdb is shitware made by stinky indians, avoid

>>106023385
they should re-do the test but also add a random ass 100$ android phone from 10 years ago, i bet they still wouldn't be able to tell a difference
audiophools are so fucking stupid

>>106023346
>Topping
>Schiit
>XDUOO
Lol

>>106023638
don't be mean, I bought them all for cheap, please advise what a trve audionigger such as yourself would buy.

I've realised that one singular headphone can't play everything I like well.
What are the best:
>opens
>closed
>planars
>electro stats
>bonus

>>106023740
Give a budget or shut the fuck up.

>>106023758
Budget is meaningless if you're a chad that looks for second-hand headphones from people who're selling to finance their new tube amp.
But for the sake of it, let's say $350 USD used a.k.a. $800 new.

>>106023821
So you don't want good headphones, got it.

if you like the hd600/650 is the hd800 the logical conclusion?

>>106023853
Well spit it out then faggot.

>>106023854
no.

I had HD6XX and had the chance to demo a bunch of stuff in the $1000-2000 range and found HD800 to be not my thing at all. I ended up with the DCA NoireX which were brand new at the time.

>>106023740
senn HE-1
dan Clarke E3
Susvara
STAX SR-007
wtf you mean bonus?

>>106020757 (OP)
>AI slop OP image
kys

>>106023740
>>106023821
>$800 new
NTA but
>opens
Lambda 500/404, Aune AR5000
>closed
DCA Aeon RT
>planars
See above
>electro stats
L500MK2.
>bonus
Koss Porta Pro

>>106023907
cry more

>>106023684
JDS atom stack, and don't forget to get something engraved into the top

>>106024277
Doesn't exist in Australia

>>106023638
what's wrong with Topping

>>106020757 (OP)
mami's mamis...

I bought the HD 800 S and, after a month, I can say the fucking suck and returned them.

I'm glad the store took them back after 30 days for a full refund, though.

>>106020757 (OP)
something funny about this image

>>106025303
Same experience here, I went with Dan Clark Audio.

What is the white man's equivalent to the FIIO FT1 (closed)? Let's say I want it, but I want to give my money to Americans or Germans.

>>106025551
>Let's say I want it, but I want to give my money to Americans or Germans.
who's breaking the news

>>106024381
Oh didn't realize I was talking to a third worlder

>>106024886
Chinese

>>106025579
dunno about americunt stuff, but sennheiser is still made in the eu and beyerdynamic will still make most of its stuff in germany
most of your money is still going to chinks of course, but some of that is still paying the wages of european factory workers.

>>106025960
Its all made from the same OEM components give or take

>>106020757 (OP)
hi came here cause i like the pic of mami wearing my headphones
thanks for helping me buy them like 3 years ago

I bought HIFIMAN Sundaras... when clamped to my head, bass sounds weak. When I pull the cans away from my ears a quarter inch, bass thumps as expected. What gives?

>>106026216
leakage, creates a resonance at fs around 80hz

is there anything that shows just HOW different earpads change sound? I have some old srh440 and they original pads are dry and hard as shit
I was looking at these brainwavz PU leather and memory foam, and they are alot thinker than the originals so i was wondering how much it would affect them.

>>106027739
some earpad manufacturers will show the change in FR, but for any other you need to measure it yourself with a measuring rig

I need new hd600 pads but dont wanna pay judenheiser 40 eurobucks for a 90 cent part, does chang make ok pads?

>>106025551
Monoprice HR-5C.

Buy them while you still can!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/297025857186

That seller is an American person who really wants your money!

>>106029952
Piss off chinese retard

>>106029968
>he's really upset right now
Aww!

I'm not a chinese person, you butt hurt cretin!

>>106029978
You are clearly chinese, moron.

>>106029990
You are clearly a butt hurt cretin!

>>106030000
You can cope however you like, Zhang. You're still chinese and stupid.

>>106030015
Stay dumb and butt hurt, lad!

>>106030046
I'm more than happy to keep correctly labeling you what you are: a chinese idiot

>>106020984
Trebles on the DT770s were never a problem.
Now, the fucking MIDRANGE, that was muted as hell.

>>106023854
hd800s is more like a flavor headphone with driver tilt and obvious upper mids boost for that extra wow and spaciousness effect. I demoed it tens of times trying to figure out what is going on, basically once your brain adapts a few minutes after this effect is totally gone.
It does not get better than 580/600/650s series in headpos (they also last decades) unless you love a fuckton of bass and don't know how to EQ.

Retard question but why you need an amp to run the Sennheiser HD600?
They sound just as good when I connect them directly to my headphone jack minus a little bit of max volume (which I don't need because I'm a low volume listener)

>>106032359
Because 30 years ago home audio was 0.2V and that was not enough. And retards just keep repeating 30 years old shit. Nowadays you only need an amp for sub 20 Ohm planars like para, or very low sensitivity planars like tungsten and susvara.

Below 20 Ohm amps start losing max power, they can't provide enough current.

>>106032359
HD600 doesn't NEED to be amped, but the bass suffers when not sufficiently amped. Not to the point it's unusable, but enough to be noticed if you're paying attention.

>>106032462
I haven't noticed any difference. But couldn't you just EQ It for more bass if that's the case?
I have volume left to spare anyways. So why EQ wouldn't fix It?

>>106025303
>>106025496
what's wrong with them?

>>106032529
EQ solves basically everything in the audio world until you get noise/clipping. Only fools that get personal validation by wasting money believe otherwise.

>>106032588
With the caveat of unit/positional/anatomical variation and pad condition. It will sound different from the graph... but you can still EQ it, you just have to do it by ear.

>>106032540
People like to larp that they only listen to perfected recorded classical and single/duo and trio instrumentals of the most blessed instruments (violin,chello,piano.) In reality they don't and young people especially love jungle beats and horrible pop music where nothing about the hd 800 is going to be benefited from, and sure as hell not from the soundstage.
There are some noticeable problems with the hd 800 in current year, mostly the cost which is pretty brutal all things considered. The MSRP went up when they made the hd 800s which wasn't even needed but it was a convient way of charging more for a headphone they probably felt they undercharged for, at least for the premium market. It is what it is and if people bought it who **should** it's probably the perfect headphone, but for most people it's not and they would be better of spending $500 on aeons than the current price of hd 800s whatever that may be locally

>>106032540
The elephant in the room is that hifimans are wider than hd800 and can play subbass without dying.

>>106032588
EQ did not solve my Arya Stealth

>>106032915
except hd 800 don't break for no reason and don't arrive with fingerprints and stains, or break in 6 months

>>106032915
>without dying
My he6vse2 membrane stuck to the magnets and it was over
Sundaras and He400se started to fart when playing bass a few months after purchase
Friend's he1000se started to distort audibly on one side after a year when playing bass as well
At this point I doubt that planar headphones are a good idea overall.

>>106033003
>senheiser
>not breaking in 6 months

lol

>>106032817
sounds like a pretty bad deal for most people. I do listen to quite a bit of acoustic music, but I am not sure what improvements to expect with HD800 over my HD650. is it night and day, or would I be spending almost $2k for 10% better sound?

Henlo, hpg
I'm looking for budget headphones with decent surround sound depth to immersively play gaymes (singleplayer rpgs mostly). I'm no audiophile so as long as it's not complete whitenoise hissing garbage, reliable and can combortably be worn for hours I'm fine with it. At this moment considering:
Audio-Technica ATH-M20x
Sennheiser HD 206
SteelSeries Arctis Nova 1
Redragon H510 Zeus

Forgive me frens for falling that low and mentioning them in your thread, but can't jump above hobo-tier. Can you recommend me something else in this price range? I don't need it wireless, mic might be useful but I don't really need it either. Bonus points for retractable cable in case I brick it.

I’ve got some Airpods Max that I do genuinely like as Bluetooth ANC headphones (I’ve got Quad ERA-1 and Stax 007 at home), but since I got AirPod Pros, they really haven’t “mattered” much. I would like some Bluetooth headphones that I can also use wired to connect to my iPod.

How about the Audeze Maxwell or the Stax Spirit S5? Those are the two on my radar.

>>106032985
>>106032588
EQ only goes so far, it's not going to turn closed-back bass cannons into super airy with a wide soundstage.

>>106033135
please leave us alone chang no one falling for your baiting
>>106033202
They are better at everything than the 650 and going from essentially no sound stage to the widest in audio is pretty insane. Removing other options aside they are pretty unbelievable at what they do and if you like movie soundtracks,video game sound tracks, acoustic music or anything that benefits from them it's quite blissful to listen to. If you can find them used for a fair price, in my case $800 cad you really can't go wrong, they will likely last forever and will probably never lose their value if you want to resell them. If you buy them new it's probably a different discussion because the msrps are pretty crazy now, at least it's like $1700+ tax here and i bought them locally so no tax at all.
When I was looking for something more expensive than my aeons I researched quite a few different pairs, and the recurring problem was almost always QA/longevity problems for other companies, especially in the price range of used HD 800's. The focal clear(og) looked very promising but the snapping headbands was too much of an issue with me, and coupled with the line of logic most people had of sweat/humidity adding to the issue I couldn't know what the original owner did so i had to avoid them. Audeze is kind of the same story, the wood models were known to crack and that was all I was seeing used, stax has it's own thing with amplifier costs so i avoided them too, was a similiar story of some other models

>>106033377
>I’ve got Quad ERA-1
I'm surprised to find someone else with them on /g/

>>106020757 (OP)
Mumi is not an audiofaggot. Her hearing is blown out from charging her LAZOR

>>106033620
HE-R9 disagrees

>>106033739
lol

lmao even

just admit you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Why even say something this retarded and brain dead? You just look like the biggest retard in the thread now.

>>106033739
Dr. Fang Bian-sama...

>>106033739
Good morning, Chinkfiman-sama. No one's buying your garbage.
>>106033641
Aeons have a pretty small, soundstage, admittedly. Even the open version since it's more like semi open. Same goes for most of Dan's models for some reason. HD800s are really wide but Sennheiser's jewery is fucking insane to charge 2k for a 15+ year old model. I got my lambdas for less than half of that.
>>106033213
Rejoice, hoboanon, because there are decent options even for you!
>SteelSeries Arctis Nova 1, Redragon H510 Zeus
garbage
>Sennheiser HD 206
It's not terrible, at least
>Audio-Technica ATH-M20x
FR is lacking but with some eq they'll be pretty decent. But if you want sound depth get open backs instead. Maybe get Superlux HD 668b or 681. Just EQ them afterwards. If you don't want to EQ then maybe Creative Aurvana Live(81 percent harman compliance) or Koss KSC75 + Yaxi earpads (80~ harman compliance).
>>106033377
>Audeze Maxwell
Good sounding headphone but QC is pretty shit and they're heavy
>Stax Spirit S5
I have the S3 and it's decent but the build is mostly creaky plastic. Pretty nice it has a sheepskin headband, though.
If you don't mind the weight then Maxwell otherwise S5.

>>106033888
>I got my lambdas for less than half of that.
I've been looking into them recently, if i was going to get a pair they would probably be the l300's but i probably need to look into them more before I buy them. Kind of sucks theres no where i can test electrostats before buying so i'll be jumping in blind or i'd consider a more expensive model. It does suck that the HD 800's are still selling at msrp too, i mean they essentially sabotaged the 8xx release instead of doing the 650/6xx path which i guess makes sense but why even bother doing the 8xx in the first place? Shit past the 1k tier is so insanely depressing,

Does anyone know the DT1350? It has a lot of clamp force and is dark. After a repair at the manufacturer's with pad replacements they are not as dark anymore :/ (larger pads)
Is there an alternative? I believe the stronger the clamp force the better the seal the better the bass.

>>106033700
I love them desu, had them for years now and they’re an actual hidden gem, as much as I hate the term.

>>106033888
>S3
I’ve heard the build quality in the S5 is dramatically better. I don’t mind heavy (AirPods Max are really heavy) but I’m just mostly apprehension about the “gamer” marketing shit. The S5 is supposed to sound quite a bit better than the S3 from what I’ve gathered, but I can’t figure out where that places it in terms of the Maxwell.

I’ve demoed the LCD-2 and LCD-X, X was pretty decent but I didn’t like the 2… I liked the Quads more than the LCD-X, fwiw.

>>106034028
>I love them desu, had them for years now and they’re an actual hidden gem, as much as I hate the term.
it's funny you mentioned Stax, because I run my ERA-1 with SR-009 pads and this has basically solved headphones for me

>>106034053
That’s an interesting idea, how did you adapt the 009 pads to the Quads?

>>106034028
>I’ve demoed the LCD-2 and LCD-X
how was the weight of them? I wonder how they would be for long sessions with that much mass on a headphone, I modded my aeons with extra padding on the headband and they are way lighter than LCD 2/X.

>>106033923
>Kind of sucks theres no where i can test electrostats before buying
Stax has so very few dealers outside Japan, it's insane. Where I live it's like 2 stores in the entire country lmao. And there are so very few other good electrostat models.
>Koss ESP950/X
Garbage build quality(no dust cover=quick death) and pretty weird tuning.
>DCA Corina
Pretty good but also very expensive
>Audeze CRBN
Discontinued, expensive and the second version is worse.
>they essentially sabotaged the 8xx release instead of doing the 650/6xx path
I fully believe Senn tuned these like shit on purpose so their own version sells more after seeing HD6XX sales.
>Shit past the 1k tier is so insanely depressing
True. Most stuff is either dogshit sold at a premium(Abyss) or comically overpriced.
>>106034012
Either get new pads that are smaller or just use EQ and apply a low shelf filter
>>106034028
If you don't mind heavy then Maxwell is fine. It's marketed as le gamer but it's an actual good headphone. S5 should be fine too and uses drivers based on LCD-1 so it's still Audeze, kind of.
>I’ve demoed the LCD-2 and LCD-X, X was pretty decent but I didn’t like the 2
Audeze genuinely cannot tune their headphones. They get better with EQ but I couldn't stand the weight of the 2.

>>106034086
>True. Most stuff is either dogshit sold at a premium(Abyss) or comically overpriced.
genuinely what is the point of abyss headphones? Pic rel is 5.5k USD
I've never heard anyone ever mention them except one time while i was going thro the innerfidility yt channel there was a vid on the abyss diana at one of those cons

>>106034120
whoops, feel like im having a stroke today.

>>106034058
their diameter is a little bit too large for the rings that come glued to the original pads so I've just been using double-sided tape. SR-007 pads are the correct diameter but don't work all that well in my opinion, although I'm sure a lot of people would prefer them over the stock pads already
buying $200 pads probably sounds crazy (and I'm not telling you to do it) but I've experimented for a long time and did try almost everything else before it came to that

>>106034120
>>106034127
>genuinely what is the point of abyss headphones?
To sell them to the same type of retard that buys cable risers or audiophile rocks(that's an actual thing btw). So just snake oil. Abyss even stated that their headphones get better once you use a 1k+ headphone cable lmao. They had a series of videos on headphones and when they got to cables they said shit like "silver cables sound better". Genuinely the worst fucking headphone company.

>>106034078
Weight was fine. I think the LCD-X felt noticeably a bit heavier but I didn’t particularly find either to be troublesome. It seems the Maxwell is lighter, so I’m not concerned about that. But people do complain about the AirPods Max being heavy so some people would probably hate the Maxwell’s weight hah.

>>106034086
Agreed Audeze can’t into tuning at all. Which headphones (S5 or Maxwell) do you think would sound better stock, without extra EQ? I use an iPhone so I can’t EQ when listening mobile. I’m kinda leaning towards the S5.

>>106034012
if you mean dark as in too much treble, then shallower pads will result in less prominent highs
conversely, deeper pads will give you more treble (because higher frequencies travel to your ear faster) but you'll also get more bass assuming the outer material of the pad doesn't let too much of it escape

>>106034201
>if you mean dark
if you mean not as dark*

>>106034193
Maxwell seems better tuned. Seems with the S5 Edifier went the route of more bass=better. Pretty weird, S3 had less bass than Harman stock so it's a weird change.

>>106034254
Whoa that’s a weird FR graph for the S5. That does make the Maxwell look like the better option. All the midrange looks totally sucked out, too.

>>106034183
>To sell them to the same type of retard that buys cable risers or audiophile rocks
lmao it's real.
Also the disc of those headphones is so fucking retarded

>Meet Diana DZ, the latest in the evolution of the Diana series of ABYSS Headphones.

Diana DZ offers lots of spatial information and depth like the big AB1266, and sounds great with both tube and solid state amps. DZ will drop right into your existing optimized headphone system and sing. Going forward, as your system evolves DZ will scale and reward you for the investment with dynamic life-like sound that's never boring, never annoying, just right.

Diana DZ sounds awesome on a big tube amp like the Woo Audio WA33 JPS Abyss Edition. Overall resolution directs your ears toward very subtle low level details and spatial cues within the large musical soundstage that tubes tend to accentuate. DZ won’t rip apart the recording and the system, it’s more about enjoying the content rather than analyzing it, sophisticated detail within the musical presentation.

>>106034577
Heres the amp they tell you to use with these, in case it couldnt get any more retarded
>$20k USD

Is there any worthwhile upgrade to a Sennheiser HD 560s that doesn't require me to lug an Amp around?

After all these years, the HD600 is still king. Nothing sounds as natural. Asians who like earrape and niggers at heart who like overbearing bass are morons.

>>106034577
>>106034592
>here, buy this 5k distorting headphone
>but also get this 20k tube amp so you can get even more distortion
>then it'll sound good
Sasuga. They couldn't even bother to get better tubes than 2A3 on a 20k amp kek
>>106034813
HD 490 Pro or Aune AR5000. You might need an amp for the 490 depending on how loud you listen, though.

>>106034834
>e HD600 is still king. Nothing sounds as natural.
define natural

>>106034842
Sounds like real life. :)

>>106034855
i didn't find anything sounded natural till i tried ethers then aeons, i'm not sure if it was the way bass was produced on the 6xx but perhaps the 600 is different i've never tried it

>>106034865
give them a try. The only DCA headphone I've tried were the Noires. They were fantastic.

magnum hd650 slightly modded and adx5000 opus
buy adx5000

>>106034977
all my mods are hair removers from the drivers related also slightly refining the treble but nothing special.

>>106034834
Is the HD600 worth getting if you have HD6XX and love them?

>>106034841
Don't forget to top it off with some premium cables, got some nice sales on them. (Same company as amp)

>>106035037
No

I had HD600 for 7-8 years before they started getting kinda fucked up and I bought the HD6XX to replace them.

There is a slight difference, but unless you just enjoy wasting money, save up for something higher-end if you want something new.

Recommendations on planar headphones? I bought planar IEMs and I really liked them

>>106036268
Depends on budget

>>106036268
Buy some Fostex T50RP with the argon mod

>buy durable, comfortable headphones
>EQ them properly to taste
>buy a DAC/amp if your PC's output is noisy/distorted/too quiet
Congratulations. You have now solved headphones.

>>106036451
EQ is not a magic fix-all problem, sperg.

>>106036451
EQ helps, but it isn't some cure-all.

>>106036391
<500 USD
>>106036397
I don't live in the US. Are they still worth it without the mod?

>>106036268
Abyss Diana DZ + WA33 AMP with RED AUDIO ROCKS and JPS LABS ALUMINATA AC CABLE

if you are poor and don't want to spend $35k+ on audio then you can't go wrong with aeons. Open backs for more bass, closed backs for more neutral sound and isolation, I prefer opens

>eqing
i don't think i've liked a single pair of headphones after eqing them to harmon, i'd take the un eq'd hd 800 over harmon hd 800 maybe i'm retarded

>>106036488
No. If you can't buy the modded version, then mod it yourself using the guide.

>>106036488
>I don't live in the US. Are they still worth it without the mod?
They're not even worth it with the mod.

>>106036474
>>106036487
I can FEEL the Buyer's Stockholm Syndrome emanating from these posts.

>>106036504
>t. retard who never listened

>>106036555
people who say this, and your initial line are almost always iem fags who repeat this about total cancer bad headphones like that chink above with his he-r9 or $20 chink iems. What headphones are you eqing?

>>106036489
Too expensive
>>106036502
Ok. I'll check It out then
>>106036504
Why?

>>106036555
It's just a basic reality.

You're not going to magically EQ your closed-back Denon AH-D7200 into open-back HD 800s.

>>106036614
>Denon AH-D7200
why is this colored gal plugging them into a stereo amplifier?

>>106036637
Because it's a marketing image.

You don't think she actually OWNS D7200s and a demon AVR do you?

>>106036654
>You don't think she actually OWNS D7200s and a demon AVR do you?
owns is the key word there, isn't it?
How she received it is another question.

>>106036668
why don't you just say what headphones your eqing? Don't fucking say your the he-r9 fag

>>106020757 (OP)
How can anyone recommend closed back headphones in good faith??

>>106036707
Makes sense for portable use

>>106036668
Why would I ever trust what a retard who only EQs cheap headphones has to say about headphones that cost $1000+?

I've listened to dozens of $1000+ headphones at this point in my life, and while EQing can make cheap headphones punch far above their pricepoint, it's not some magic way to get the best audio out of any headphone.

>>106036682
>your
I'm sure this well-educated gentleman has a solid logical rationale for wasting his money.
>>106036726
Why would I ever trust what a Reddit-spacing retard has to say about anything?

>>106036764
you don't know what headphones i have and i'm shit posting on 4 chan on 2 hours sleep. so that's a non arguement retard. Just say your a poor fag probably 3rd worlder who can only afford trash and that's how you cope. go back to /iemg/

>>106036720
Not when earphones exist

>>106036764
>Reddit-spacing
Lol, Lmao even, you think that's a real thing, you poor boy.

"Reddit spacing" is simply a stylistic holdover from older text based forums of the mid to late '90s and early '00s, those forums which spawned 4chan.

Which is why you can see early 4chan posts "reddit spacing" before reddit even existed as a website.

>>106036795
No, I prefer headphones.

>buy HD600
>buy a DAC/amp if your PC's output is noisy/distorted/too quiet
Congratulations. You've solved headphones.

>>106036991
>t. hates soundstage
inb4
>um sweaty soundstage is actually not a thing

>>106036991
i wish this were true, even my aeons and hd 800 feel like they are missing something but everything else I wanna try is past my willingness to spend. Idk maybe one day i'll test some focal clear og's and pray the headband doesn't snap

>>106037051
Provide objective soundstage measurements.
Oh wait, you can't.

>>106036637
the headband on those is massive doo-doo
they're not even japanese anymore - please do not buy

>>106036991
This is a boring answer but pretty much true.
Edge cases can be made if you like insane amounts of bass, or if the fit is bad (but then it is also not going to be good on most headphones).
>>106037051
Soundstage in headphones is a joke, get speakers instead.
You can temporarily trick your brain into believing it sounds more spacious by tilting the driver but it settles in quickly and by accentuating certain frequencies but any of the such frequency highlight results in a timbral coloration which is quite fatiguing (yes I am talking about HD800s, He-1000SE, Aryas). I've never heard a headphone which has "a wide stage" or sound spacious and at the same time not wanting to take it off after 20 minutes.
In these terms HD600s is an "adult" headphone because it doesnt try to impress anyone and just does almost everything right and sounds natural (i.e. the way it is in real life) which of course does not surprise or wow you because thats how your everyday perception of the sound is.

>>106037162
>they're not even japanese anymore - please do not buy
i was skeptical as soon as I seen the colored
>sounds natural
i really don't think the 600 line sounds natural at all, i'm all for speakers and hoarde them which has become a problem but that's the last thing i'd say about that particular headphone, the r70x has the same problem, they both sound like headphones. Aeons sound like real sound, same with the hd 800

>>106033888
I don't even know what harman compliance is but I'll check those headphones out, thanks.
t. Hobo-anon

>>106037162
oh muh lord it's worse than we thought. That investigative photo of the nice woman using a stereo amp makes sense now >>106037202

>>106037124
>it doesn't show up on graphs therefore it doesn't exist
Another retard. Even Amir, the biggest sciencefag disagrees. Picrel is Amir's take on SR-009 post EQ. And if you want to compare on measurements alone then there are plenty of headphone with lower THD than HD600. Or is that not a thing too?
>>106037173
>I've never heard a headphone which has "a wide stage" or sound spacious and at the same time not wanting to take it off after 20 minutes.
See, I really don't get that. I like HD600 for music(that doesn't have much bass) but every time I try to use it for movies or vidya I'm reminded that I'm wearing headphones. Meanwhile with a HD800, any STAX or even some Chinkfiman models when I close my eyes it's like I'm surrounded by speakers. I know some dude on ASR had a theory that some people perceive soundstage differently or even don't perceive it at all, maybe it's that, I don't know.

>>106037383
EQing to Harman has never sounded good to me

>>106037383
Harman + a nice bass shelf works for my ears, but everyone is different.

>>106037424
Congratulations. You change your smoke alarm batteries.

>>106023346
>are people that talk about DACs sounding different cooked cunts or is it real?
What other Anons already said. Its mostly the snake oil and sunk cost fallacy, be very careful with "audiophiles", they would tell you to put power crystals on your equipment to harmonize them with the earth's resonance with a straight face.

If you bought any amp/dac in the recent years you are set for life (if it can drive your mudblasters ofcourse). The only quality difference you can actually hear is between motherboard amp/dacs and standalone ones.

>my $1,000 headphones have incredibly noticeable sonic qualities that you just can't EQ
>WHAT? You don't tape Brilliant Pebbles to your cables?

>>106037649
Go back to /iemg/ faggot. If you think you can EQ your 10$ chinkshit to sound like an HE-1, good for you.

>>106037649
What's the deal with you smelly chinese always trying to insist EQ magically makes $20 crap sound like premium headphones?

>>106037742
You're so cute and silly! :3

same OP as >>>/ic/7634334 btw
literal mentally ill bong, doesn't own a drawing tablet despite making drawing tablet generals for 6 years and probably doesn't own headphones either

>>106037582
>they would tell you to put power crystals on your equipment to harmonize them with the earth's resonance with a straight face.
don't ever mention audiophile rocks in a negative light again, chud.
>>106037649
>>my $1,000 headphones have incredibly noticeable sonic qualities that you just can't EQ
you cannot eq to match 56mm black sun drivers housed in leona plastic if you wanted too, or the bass quality of a planar. If you listened to any headphone, blind or not you wouldn't be typing like this

>>106038080
pic related

Why do you guys hate dynamic drivers so much?

>>106038188
We don't.
There's just like one or two retards with Buyer's Stockholm Syndrome who thinks there's a difference.

>>106038211
Well, there IS a difference: planars are uncomfortably heavy and electrostats can electrocute you. So there's that.

>>106038188
we don't, almost all headphones we talk about are dynamics really. HD 800 focal clear og, hd 650/600/6xx/r70x etc
It's just a few models get out performed by good planars like the aeon and past them is difficult without just talking about the hd 800/focal.
if you mean beyers yeah they are pretty horrible at everything
>>106038224
>planars are uncomfortably heavy and electrostats can electrocute you.
second point is obviously a nothing burger you might as well tell people they will get electrocuted from crts. Planars are definitely heavier and need better designs and more padding to compensate, the chink trash doesn't do this so they are torture devices. Pretty much have to get an aeon or something better to justify planars

>>106038188
They only make sense below ~$400.

>>106037270
> movies or vidya
They have more prominent sub-bass in which HD600 does not perform without EQ.
After testing out a lot of headphones and going to conventions personally I settled with vintage HD580 (1st revision flat plate black paper) which is basically slightly bassier and brighter than modern HD600, so they do remind of HD800s but are not that fatiguing, sold everything else I had (I only have kilobuck autism Unique Melody IEMs left which are a tough sell) and got Neumann speakers with a sub instead.
I can play both headphones and the speakers simultaneously and they sound virtually identical except for the missing sub-bass on headphones. One can always spend more to get questionable upgrades which are more of a sidegrade but the real limitation still the transducer format.

Good sounding headphones do not have their own prominent sound signature, they simply disappear and you are leaving you to enjoy the music.
Soundstage in headphones is mostly FR and tonality, luckily somebody made a good demo. Also psychoacoustics and placebo, if you are being told by every source that a certain headphone sounds "spacious" or "intimate" or whatever then you are way more likely to hear it because you are already biased and already looking for certain cues in the sound.
https://youtu.be/z6DHDzNDr5c?t=1155

>>106038308
>Soundstage in headphones is entirely FR
FTFY

Soundstage is a meme and all FR. Smart people have known this since binaural recordings have been a thing.
Bass THD is a meme and you either can't hear that shit or it actually makes it sound unironically better.
>>106036451 is correct.

>>106020757 (OP)
got any good ones that's wireless bref with dongle.. I have this logitech shit.. but it-s like 0,000001 db

>>106038331
>>106038358
nta but the color of a headphone will probably impact soundstage perception so not entirely FR if we consider clamping, occlusion, etc (but still like 99% FR)

welp this was my favorite thread in a long time, shame the beyer schizos and the 600 deluders came back, cant have one thread with the boys and audio rocks
>>106038446
why are you shizos like this?

>>106038432
focal bathys

>>106038455
If you still don't understand that what you see affects what you hear you're straight up retarded.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/article-impact-of-color-on-perception-of-loudness.10217/

>>106038501
listen schizo, you can do whatever you want to justify your hd 600's but i don't have to align with your delusions. I blind test people for fun and they aren't looking at the colors. Even if soundstage wasn't real which it obviously is if you have ears that aren't destroyed by jungle beats and asmr videos, defending some headphone that gets mogged into oblivion by something thats $529 is retarded

>>106038446
t.Billy Corgan

say something nice about adx5000

>>106038518
Soundstage is not even in the top 5 reasons why you should avoid hd600.

>>106037803
Neat, this means we can have nonstop /hpg/ threads as long as someone threatens to make a new thread with Chinese headphones in the OP.

>>106020772
Based

>>106038109
cool washing machine

>>106038243
>more padding
more padding is not the answer
simply put, everything above 400ish grams needs a suspension strap

>>106036991
It's so bizarre how the headphone "hobby" or "movement" is so anathema to blocking out sound. Why not just get speakers?

>>106039229
because i dont want my neighbors to hear my miku songs...

>>106039239
Coward.

>>106039229
just using open-backs with a window open makes me nervous
I'd like to live in a completely unnoticeable way if possible

anyone that isnt a complete audiophile faggot that uses wireless? any recommendations? not audeze maxwell

thinking about getting any of the hyperx wireless cause it has like 200h of battery life but the thing thats stopping me is the shit quality of their mics. i dont get how u can be this bad in the current year. so then i thought maybe i'll just buy one of those attachable mic things but it feels dumb

>j-just get le audiophile headphones with a boom mic
no.

>>106039646
Focal Bathys

What's the minimum you have to spend to get headphones that sound good? Assuming you're going to EQ.

>>106040657
>Assuming you're going to EQ.
You can accomplish this for under $100.
Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

>>106040667
Nihao liuzhang.

>page 10 generic question
not even gonna bother pretending this wasn't a desperate bump engagement bait

>>106040667
Do you think we don't all own several $100-200 headphones that we can demonstrably prove this wrong with?

I can't magically turn my Sony XB-500's into my AKG K712s, nor will they magically get EQd into my HD6XXs either.

EQ is something that can and should be done with basically every headphone/speaker system to give YOU the best sound for YOUR preferences.

If you imagine headphones are a painting and the sound they make is the color, EQ allows you to tweak that color to your preference, but it doesn't turn it into a fundamentally different painting.

>[redditspaced wall of text]
tl;dr

my stock ATH-R70x cables started to shit itself
is there any point in fancy cables if i just plug it in stock mobo 3.5mm?
eu btw

>>106040879
>is there any point in fancy cables
Durability.
Certainly not sound.

>>106040879
kinda weird how you're so sure about that when actual engineers disagree. but hey, you do you.

>>106040856
See >>106036801

the "reddit spacing" meme itself was invented as a way to allow newfags to show how new they were by thinking that posting style was somehow unique to reddit. Actual oldfags have been double spacing since before reddit existed.

>>106040893
Interesting take. So all the audio engineers are just wasting their time, huh?

>>106040954
That’s a cute theory. Too bad there's zero evidence of this ‘oldfag spacing culture’ you’re talking about.