Thread 106023524

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archieve, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• Tempotec Variations V1 - $130
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106013958

>putting anime waifus on IEM plates

how can we stop this trend?

>>106023538
Furry waifus.

>>106023428
>fuck does this have to do with IEMs, which physically can't affect the mix in any way.
audio mixes are fixed, but how well your pos reproduces transients, microdetails and spatial information decides whether that mix sounds layered or like mud. ttherwise, every $10 set would sound the same as a $1k one, which isn’t reality.

Buy Coffee Tips!

>>106023632
>audio mixes are fixed
>proceeds to explain how they aren't fixed
What the fuck.

>>106023632
>ttherwise, every $10 set would sound the same as a $1k one, which isn’t reality.
retard
reality is that sound quality doesn't correlate with price
your $1k one sounds like shit

Are there any IEM cables that don’t have microphonics? Tripowin and stock Moondrop cables all have that problem.

>>106023652
lol I didn't contradict myself, cutie. I never said the mix changes, it's the perception that changes, depending on a competent pos' technical ability.
>>106023669
don't avoid the point. I didn't even say all $1k sets are glorious lol. just that if all pos reproduced mixes equally, price tiers wouldn’t exist at all.

>>106023702
They definitely shouldn't if they aren't made of fabric. Are you using the chin sliders?

>>106023508
ty for this vid anon. it was pretty nice to learn new stuff as a newcomer.

>>106023725
now show the measurements that show when a pos follows the mix faithfully

>>106023725
Which part of the driver cuts off the peaks of transients and moves instruments in space to change "the perception" of instruments, and why can't a microphone detect it. You do know the kind of tools producers use for those things, right? Should be easy to show where they're hiding inside IEMs.

>>106023725
Price don't tiers don't exist. You haven't updated your firmware.

NORA waiting room

>>106023748
it doesnt need to be faithful, it has to be an enhancement

>>106023725
>don't avoid the point
you have no fucking point. you barged in with some retarded opinions about mixes when they are irrelevant. you don't even need music to compare soundstage
muh mxies
who gives a fuck

>>106023763
you don't even know what transients even are

>>106023748
audio mix is fixed. perception isn’t. some pos smear detail, some don’t. if graphs told the whole story, chu would stage like an ea500lm, and we wouldn’t even be arguing.
>>106023763
nobody’s saying pos literally move instruments. the mix is fixed and what changes is whether the pos preserves or smears the spatial cues (transient speed, phase, decay, distortion). fr doesn’t show that

>>106023808
>it has to be an enhancement
define an enhancement

>>106023882
>transient speed, phase, decay, distortion
FR literally shows all those things. You're thinking of something else.

>>106023882
MIX DOESN'T MATTER it's the same fucking mix for both POS how is it fucking relevant???????
>if graphs told the whole story
it does
the problem is it doesn't do it for your ear
that's where discrepancy lies

>>106023855
you give up too easily.
>mixes when they are irrelevant. you don't even need music to compare soundstage
who said anything about music? the audio of film is mixed. the vidya you play's audio is mixed.
you really don't fuckin get it lmfaoo

>>106023702
if you want help, it helps to be specific.
i assume tripowin zonie and stock single-wire moondrop cable.
like anon says, they really shouldn't be that microphonic. but maybe you can try a 4-core which is what i tend to prefer.
examples i picked from amazon:
>https://www.amazon.com/DarkJade-Headphones-Silver-Plated-Compatible-3-5mm-Without/dp/B0F9PF6VD4
>https://www.amazon.com/FunMusic-4-Strand-Headphone-Extension-Stellaris/dp/B0F9L9R3FZ

>>106023896
its like you buy a nice pair of speakers, boost the bass, and place them just right to get peak soundstage

>soundstage is not tonality
>look inside
>tonality

>>106023967
i already said it, you can kill the treble of an origin, it still has soundstage

All this arguing has been going and I still haven't seen why you should care about anything other than tuning when it comes to the pos. It doesn't even make sense why someone would think the 'techs' come from the drivers whose only purpose is to produce frequencies and not from their source, where all the magic takes place to turn the 1s and 0s in a file into sound. Our discussion of techs should be around DACs, not pos.

>>106024007
and frankly hbb x qkz on the hidisz s9 pro has quite wide soundstage too, with or without eq, bleh

>>106024007
Pretty sure I can kill it so hard you won't even be able to tell a human voice from a violin.

>>106023935
I wouldn't call an audio engine handling audio simulation a "mix"
either way it is irrelevant because pos with a better soundstage will have it with EVERYTHING
you failed to explain how the fuck mix is relevant and why are we talking about it in the first place
>you really don't fuckin get it lmfaoo
I honestly don't get what the fuck you are talking about and why
do you say pos will have a different soundstage depending on a mix?

>>106023912
>transient speed, phase, decay, distortion
literally does not. fr doesn't show how fast the driver stops/start or how long it rings. fr doesn't show phase alignment or group delay, which affects imaging and staging. totally different plots and graphs entirely. fr is just amplitude
>>106023920
look at you seething. so now, soundstage and imaging, according to you, come from where????
>inb4 "FR"
okay, but....how? exactly how? lmfaoo

>>106024017
trvthsvpernova.jpg

>>106023952
then just EQ to those speakers...

>>106024029
yes, but your whole theory about the shape of the FR mattering in any way falls apart

>>106024035
>fr doesn't show how fast the driver stops/start or how long it rings.
Fr doesn't show long a driver rings... because drivers don't ring...

>>106024017
is there an image where these two fuck?

>>106024035
>fr doesn't show how fast the driver stops/start or how long it rings.
FR is a Fourier transform of IR. IR is a Fourier transform of FR.
>fr doesn't show phase alignment or group delay
FR is a Fourier transform of IR. IR is a Fourier transform of FR.
>fr is just amplitude
FR explicitly includes the phase. In addition to that, in minimum phases systems(IEMs) the phase is determined by the amplitude and vice versa.

>>106024017
>All this arguing has been going and I still haven't seen why you should care about anything other than tuning when it comes to the pos.
because POS can have decent tuning and shit soundstage and imaging. and then you'll open your fav FPS and realize that you can't understand where they fuck sounds are coming from.

>talking about phase and group delay
>for iems
>in 2025
fuck it, someone post the 9000-ba-in-a-tube-iem pic please

>>106024031
>do you say pos will have a different soundstage depending on a mix?
yes. well-mixed tracks will sound layered on a resolving set, but that same track can collapse and feel flat on a slow, smeary driver. the audio mix doesn’t change, but the perceived stage does

>fr is just amplitude
>look inside
>phase

>>106024098
fourier transform my dick elongation bitch

>>106024049
of course it doesn't fall apart. to make it fall apart you'll need to first formulate a hypothesis then develop a methodology to test it and confirm it with an experiment
vaguely fucking with EQ can not debunk anything.
FR being everything is not a theory. It's a reality which is coming from a simple fact that IEM is a minimum phase system.
If you hear soundstage differently depending on IEM it IS FR. More precise it's psychoacoustics. Interaction between IEM and your hearing systems.
Like... IEM is moving sound and your eardrum then it's it turned into electrical signals which are sent to your brain. There's literally nothing else there.

>>106024057
>Fr doesn't show long a driver rings... because drivers don't ring...
holy shit. drivers can ring and it's measurable AND audible. fuck me, I'm falling for all the bait today, huh? drivers ringing is literally what resonances are. fr can show peaks, but it doesn't show time decay. that's what other measurements are for. waterfall plots show over time how long a driver rings out at certain frequencies. shit, CSD graphs wouldn't exist at all and nobody would bother with damping or resonance control if everything was in the fr graph, which it ain't,

>>106024175
>CSD
Literally just FR... EQ to a flat line and it disappears...The amp stops the drivers immediately...

>>106024035
>okay, but....how? exactly how? lmfaoo
psychoacoustics
to know exactly how you'd need to measure your HRTF and measure a bunch of IEMs inside your ears

>>106024169
ntas but just wanted to add that stuff like isolation and fit will inadvertently impact perception

>>106024169
Didnt even read your ramble lol

>>106024106
>but that same track can collapse and feel flat on a slow
can you do the opposite tho? give a soundstage to a slow and smeary driver with a specific mix?

>still talking about phase, csd, and ir in 2025
all of this time wasted when anons could have registered for two control theory classes at their local educational institutions

>>106024175
>holy shit. drivers can ring and it's measurable AND audible
show measurements
prove you are hiring it instead of tonality

>assume phase affects the soundstage
>toggle an all-pass filter in APO
>soundstage unaffected
Welp that was easy.

>>106024175
>drivers ringing is literally what resonances are
lol look at this retard. you get that you can EQ all them out?
>fr can show peaks, but it doesn't show time decay
IR=FR
>waterfall plots show over time how long a driver rings out at certain frequencies
oh jesus here we fucking go
you are literally doing this video in real fucking time
https://youtu.be/LrIoNMeo_GI

>>106024329
nuh uh

>>106024229
It will affect FR too
but perception is happening after FR is hitting your eardrum. Unless you want to argue that soundstage is 100% a delusion (in IEMs)

>>106024049
>shape
Measure the FR with your ears coward. You've shown your EQ, absolute pussy shit.

>>106024268
dude literally thinks he uncovered the hidden measurements nobody knows about or something lol

>>106024355
isolation i would classify as being wholly separate, ideally we would have studies on occlusion vs FR for preference and sound localization but that doesn't seem to be the case

>>106024329
"you hate Harman cause you are at step 3"
"I hate Harman because i am at step 8"

>>106024354
educate yourself, monkey

Its not even a matter of does soundstage in iems exist or not, its a matter of needing to strive for it, do not conform yourself with just bland neutral shit thats deemed accurate

>>106024329
All of iemg will never get past stage 5 because they are too poor to actually JUST BUY AND LISTEN to the iems they argue about.

https://youtu.be/LrIoNMeo_GI?t=228
Here retards
Watch this and realize just how fucking retarded you are. Video is 3 years old. And you STILL arguing about this shit.

uhh anon-chama... that other guy beat you
you're quite slow huh?

>>106024398
harman is irrelevant

>eq guide covers all 9 levels
goatzo doing goat shit

>>106024200
csd is not fr. fr is static and doesn't show decay or resonance.
>>106024278
waterfall plots exist, homie. tonality is just static amplitude in fr, not extended decay over time.
>>106024258
it's a great questions. but not really, no, you can't unfuck a shitty mix, imaging wise. best you can do besides playing to the driver's strengths is fake width with panning but you can't make a slow driver resolve details or depth. an audio mix can be made to feel wider, but not truly layered but if the driver can't keep up, it'll always blur

>>106024236
don't worry. he brought up minimum phase. no need to take him seriously

>>106024462
>csd is not fr.
Not only is every slice of csd a fr, but every peak in fr is a resonance in csd, and EQing the peak fixes the resonance. You are wrong on every single level.

>>106024443
Dude looks like hes about to bust out a bottle of onions while listening to the Pokemon OST

>literally everything is calculated from ir anyways
it's over

>>106024454
that's me I just timestapped the measurements part because it's relevant to the conversation
point is none of this is new, and none of it will show you a soundstage for your individual HRTF

Every talk about transients is debunked by listening to flat monitor speakers with a 4th order crossover in a room with 100ms of reverb and rightfully concluding that they sound faster than your IEMs. Because... they have no bass.

>>106024554
staxchads ON TOP

>>106024462
>it's a great questions. but not really, no, you can't unfuck a shitty mix, imaging wise. best you can do besides playing to the driver's strengths is fake width with panning but you can't make a slow driver resolve details or depth. an audio mix can be made to feel wider, but not truly layered but if the driver can't keep up, it'll always blur
THEN WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MIX YOU DUMB FUCK?
jesus you are so fucking STUPID.
That's what I told you from the start. If mix can not unfuck a pos with shit soundstage it doesn't matter
there's no point in talking about it
Also none of it has anything to do with a "driver"

>>106024586
Obsoleted by CRA without eartips.

>>106024606
staxcucks btfo...
wtf...

>>106024462
>waterfall plots exist, homie. tonality is just static amplitude in fr, not extended decay over time.
waterfall plots don't matter
watch this retard until you understand that
https://youtu.be/LrIoNMeo_GI?t=228
(again video is 3 years old and it wasn't new info even back then)

All your music was made on this.

>>106024606
bro I wish I could use my fucking CRAs lol

Do the HD800 have soundstage?

>>106024658
depends on who you ask

>>106024678
I ask someone that has heard them preferably, or wouldnt argue you can eq an iem to sound the same

the audacity of dumb fucks to come here and talk about muh waterfall plots as if they understand anything... I swear

wait, im lost. who was wrong and who was right?

>>106024699
I asked google for you
>Yes, the Sennheiser HD 800 (and HD 800 S) are renowned for their exceptional soundstage, often described as wide and immersive, creating a sense of spaciousness and depth that can be likened to a concert hall

>>106024712
All me btw.

>>106024712
>who was wrong
me
>who was right
also me
quite literally just me, we're all one schizo

>>106024712
I was right, soundstage won, etymoticks and epz's bite the dust, wankercucks clean the floor with their tongue

>>106024712
everybody who doesn't understand that IEMs are minimum phase are wrong about everything by default

>>106024658
the pads are massive and fit very loosely on the head, the physical sensation will influence your perception
also it's tuned with a lot of coloration so that might create a weird perception of space

>>106024725
Ok then I want that on an iem, is that so much to ask?

>>106024767
not exactly possible

>>106024767
>bypassing anatomical features
>separated channels
>highest occlusion/isolation
pick a better transducer type

When you have an empty head IEMs will create reflections inside of it and reflections create soundstage. But you have to remove the fox, fur absorbs reflections.

>>106024797
Oxygen has good soundstage.

>>106024767
uuugh okay I would not recommend to follow google's recommendation but it does have an answer...
>The Sony IER-Z1R and Final A8000 are frequently mentioned as IEMs with soundstage characteristics similar to the Sennheiser HD 800. The A8000 is noted for its great detail and imaging, while the IER-Z1R is known for its very wide soundstage. The Seeaudio Yume II is also cited for its close soundstage recreation of the HD 800's width and depth.

>>106024823
worse than headpos which are worse than speakers
any "soundstage" is just perceived sense of spaciousness + "positional" cues in the mix. none of the mechanisms for actual sound localization are present in iems

>>106024599
you people keep pretending I'm contradicting myself, it's cute. what, so you can win, by yelling lol? I think you're pretending to be a dipshit at this point.
you’re missing the distinction. the mix sets the spatial information. the pos decides whether that information stays clear or gets blurred. good audio mixes can’t fix a slow, smeary driver.

You frantically scroll through dozens of reviews, but they all say the exact same, "tanchjim oxygen has good soundstage". Your eyes in disbelief, like the whole world has betrayed you, but you cant help but fantacize with hearing such marvels everyone raves about

Another thread ruined by midwit debatepedophiles enforcing their retard opinions on everybody else.

>>106024702
so YOUR only contribution to it is "everyone shut the fuck up about it"?
that's emotional instability if I've ever seen it

you lost, just concede and stop trying to shitfling again

>>106024749
you have your tongue so far up crinacle's ass, it's almost fascinating

>>106024945
No IEM has soundstage and anyone who claims that one does is just reciting technobabble without understanding what soundstage actually means.

still waiting for evidence of driver quality that isn't just opinions and consensus

>>106024938
I don't care. Do I need to remind you retard in what way you waltzed in into a conversation???
>welp. you're wrong. you should have started with the audio itself. not the system. talk about a shit mixed compared to a well-mixed track before you shit out of your mouth more.
no no we should have
because it's irrelevant
>you’re missing the distinction. the mix sets the spatial information. the pos decides whether that information stays clear or gets blurred. good audio mixes can’t fix a slow, smeary driver.
WHO THE FUCK ASKED?
Why are you still talking about it when all you want to say is "smeary driver bad" as if it's in any way a real thing? shut the fuck up

>>106024945
Can you even buy oxygen this days? I thought it was discontinued

Look at em go! Which tard are you betting on?

>>106024969
Shut the fuck up about what?

just one file or even pic of a measurement is all i need

>>106025003
we established graphs and measurements other than fr exist and measure these things.the psychopathy in here is real, motherfucker and you're patient x. as long as you're happy, though

>>106025123
You named 4 things that were all actually just FR. Anything else?

Vote now on who's winning:
https://strawpoll.com/wby5QWmLJyA

>>106025040
>I don't care
>an audio's mix is irrelevant
so fuck right off you useless twat. holy. shit.

ok iemg, see yall tomorrow.

>>106025123
>>106025114

>>106025123
you didn't establish anything
you are just repeating half a decade old conversation we all already HAD
Because you brainlet couldn't do 10 minutes of reading

>>106025180
scroll up, I rebutted that.

>>106025208
but you started going off about mixes you dumb retarded fuck
actual fucking idiot

>>106025193
It's a tight race folks, this one has the potential to go all the way!

>>106025261
no you didn't lmao

>>106025261
No picture = no argument.

just one graph, one pic, one text file, anything. please, i've been waiting long enough

>>106025064
I think i seen em in shenzenaudios store

>>106025065
Soundstage tard ofc, he has an ideal he aspires towards

Azla Crystals as per usual.

>Alpha Omega Omega (Switch: up-up-up)
Uninspiring V-shape. There’s good sub-bass rumble, but on select tracks it can become an annoying droning hum in the background.
Messing around with the switches (online results weren’t helpful) resulted in a sound signature that is Diva/Syzygy-adjacent.

Listenable and enjoyable, but I didn’t feel the Omega was better than the Hype 10s. 6/10.

>Elysian x Effect Audio Gaea
Female vocals-centric set: an upgrade over the Supernova, but a Diva-sidegrade. Acceptable bass presence with minimal bleed into the mids. But mids aren’t the focus here, what you get on the Gaea is: bass – female vocals – elevated lower treble. My mate complained of the harsh/bright treble but I had no issues. 7/10.

>Empire Ears Legend Evo
Squigs are kinda misleading, the Evo sounds clean, neutral and detailed to my ears. Bass is fast and clinical-sounding without the punch – kinda like the Orchestra Lite. Wide and spacious sounding. BCDs add a weird “reverb” to the midrange which impacted female vocals, creating a rather unique experience where voices linger on longer than usual. Imagine the Truthear Gate but female voices have an echo. Weird. 6/10.

>Symphonium Crimson (Canjam London edition)
Sounds different from the OG Crimson. More mid-bassy, and less treble spice. Could also be described as a warmer Europa. Only 4 sets of these were made: 2 were sold during Canjam and other 2 were kept by Symphonium staff. Shame. 8.5/10.

>Rossi&Wing LUA: Celestian
Mud-fi kino. Very elevated lower-mids just like the First Light, which makes for an incredibly muddy signature. Better vocal presence than their previous pos. Sub-bass and mid-bass texture is pretty good despite the bloat. Reminds me of a budget Nostalgia Pendragon.

As usual, 10/10 for classical. 1/10 for everything else.

>>106025432
>Wide and spacious sounding. BCDs add a weird “reverb"
TOTLzo is on team soundstage, you guys are done for

Techs are real retard is pulling ahead with a decisive lead! Techs aren't real retard needs to turn it around fast, or this game might just be over already.

>>106025381
do your own fucking research before you dismiss everything else as "still doesn't explain it"
you've been a waste of time from the get-go, fucko

>>106025473
totlzo believes in source and cable memes, not sure if that's who you want on your team

>>106025432
>bass is fast and clinical sounding without the punch
As per >>106023784

>>106025484
>you dismiss everything else
like what? you didn't show anything

>>106025487
Uh yes, as opposed to some lunatic with an apple dongle riding public transport?

>>106025484
still waiting on those measurements, at the very least one blurry alien-spotting quality pic

>>106025478
I left a comment

>"look at this cool new measurement I learned about"
>it's just FR, retard
>"but it has a different name... it must be different... don't dismiss me..."

>>106025550
Wait what's this? It's foxtroon with the steel dildo! There's no telling how this could shake up the results folks we could have a major upset on our hands.

>>106025520
even if I did, it wouldn't be enough. we've. been. here. before. not like I have csd plots on deck anyhow you dork

>>106025550
oh Foxtroon,you really just CAN'T help yourself, can you

still waiting on one singular 2005 quality blurry pic of what constitutes a better driver

>>106025623
ah and here they are... excuses
let's start with you showing at least fucking something
>not like I have csd plots on deck anyhow you dork
explain why CSD plots are relevant when they can be changed with EQ?
why do you bring them up in the first place anyway? you think you can tell which driver is better by looking at them?

>6 voters
Guys, that All me schizo anon wasn't lying I think.

>>106025692
Techs

>>106025729
did you think this general has more than 10 people at a time or something

So can we at least agree that open back headphones can have very real soundstage?

>>106025692
RED driver is better at producing infrasound, therefore it's a better driver

>>106025732
techs are fr

>>106025785
You guys are flying through threads in less than a day, I refuse to believe that you lot are this...passionate.

>>106025797
No, only speakers have soundstage.

>>106025809
They are fr fr ong the most important thing, the techs

>>106025800
funny, but i want the other anon's answer

>>106025819
Oh ok, you are a mentally ill foxtroon, thanks for clarfying.

How do I know? Cause your speaker system sucks.

>>106025723
eq changes fr statically. csd plot will show what's going on over time. this is your decay, ringing, etc. driver behavior. and thanks for asking, finally.

>>106025859
lol you are wrong but whatever
now show CSD plots for POS with a bad driver and a good driver and highlight the differences
points for pos with similar FR

Thing about speakers, is they are only as good as the kruschevka they are housed in, ivan.

>>106025859
https://youtu.be/LrIoNMeo_GI?t=263
watch until you retard understand what is being said there
because clearly you don't

>>106025623
I have CSDs at hand, don't worry. Anything else?
https://web.archive.org/web/20210108223357/https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/acoustic-measurements-understanding-time-and-frequency.25/

>>106025940
headpos law strikes again

>editorzo dead
>eqzo lazy
the shining sun is setting down, casting a shadow on the golden era.

>>106026087
no it doesn't strike
you are just uneducated

>>106026054
it's pointless... fucker simply can't read

>>106026182
who me? i dont care about your little slapfight i just hate baldies

I got my Truthear zero and an apple dongle bros.

>>106026402
Why...

>>106026417
A youtuber with a good amount of subscribers recommended it for the best budget gaming IEM, but after connecting the IEMs to the dongle it feels like the bass feels less impactful, not sure how to describe it

>listening to jewtubers
kwab

>>106025895
wrong about what???????????
>but whatever
no, bitch ass. you're a fucking psychotic dolt if you demand to show csd plots for specific drivers right after saying, "lol wrong but whatever"

>>106026494
i'm still waiting on that one measurement, not even a comparison
just the shittiest, most compressed pic you have will suffice

One of the FR fags is ruskie, one is on my side on team soundstage, i am oxyzo... only 6 people voted on the pol, hm.... these patterns...

At least one of you has to be a pinoy tranny.

>>106026494
>wrong about what???????????
you were spoonfed already
>>106026054

>>106026541
just don't go schizo, bro
half of the votes are probably dupes

>>106026553
>you didn't show shit
>means nothing
>doesn't apply to pos

>>106026541
ruskie is a known samefagger

>>106026589
can you stop fucking crying? it's literally obvious for anybody with a brain that you have no idea about anything. either demonstrate your claims properly or shut the fuck up.
thread is from fuckin 2016
and it wasn't new info back then either
and here you are fucking discovering waterfall plots in 20 fucking 25
do you realize just how fucking stupid you are? of course not

FOR GODSAKE PLEASE SOMEONE VALIDATE THE EXISTENCE OF TECHS ALREADY!

>>106026700
techs exist, just not physically in the real world
it's all perception based, don't know why that's so hard to understand or live with, doesn't detract much from the hobby and experience

>>106026632
He is an inbred retard from draftdodginsky oblast that loves to polish churka cocks

>been using M tips for a long time
>swap to L, better seal and more subbass
wow i cucked myself

>>106026634
lol. I've said all that I've needed to say for this thread. shitting it up is on you.

>>106026719
Not true

>>106026719
>techs exist, just not physically in the real world
Proof?

Fuck it. I'm fucking boycotting any POS with even slight spec of TECHS.
Say no to TECHS.
Recommend me the most techless pos RIGHT FUCKING NOW

Tech Believers vs Foxtroon poorfags be like

>>106026738
you said nothing
cause you know nothing
all was said already before you years ago. this debate was over looong ago. no reason to reopen it now.
your retarded waterfall plots will not show you techs or driver quality.
you are stupid

>>106026745
they can't be measured.

>>106026801
You cant afford em lol

>>106026781
>your retarded waterfall plots will not show you techs or driver quality.
and this is why we can't take you seriously.

>>106026777
trips of trvth

Tech Believers rise up

>>106026841
nobody was taking you seriously from the start retard

>>106026954
Combative tranny, slava ukraini pagpagboy

>>106026801
not yet

just one measurement that shows what is a better driver, i've been waiting for hours at this point. i want data, m e a s u r e m e n t s

>>106026979
not now not never

>>106026985
brainlet

>>106026975
that's all you can say lmao some irrelevant shit about ukrain...
>show measurement?
>slava ukraini
lol
how do you even function with a brain like that

Combative trannies, firewall dodging ruskies and malaria ridden pagpags are our daily reality at /iemg/ folks, will we ever see an end to this madness? Stay tuned for more.

20$ tech monsters?

>>106027024
that's not a measurement

>>106027055
Shut up tranny

i guess i'll be waiting for a while then, a singular measurement is all i need

Shut up tranny

>>106023524 (OP)
budget: something cheap
intended use: wired, listening to music on phone/tablet, taking calls
don't know about frequency and don't care about optimizing for a specific sound, something that's just generally fine is perfect for my use case
i got tired of wireless because batteries are annoying, nearly bought airpods 2 because of the excellent call quality but the issues with android devices dissuaded me

>>106027157
>something cheap
kz edc pro

>>106027199
do they actually stay connected

i bought some kbear ks2s and the right cable refuses to stay seated to the bud

https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/tutorials/how-to-interpret-graphs/csdwaterfall-spectrum/
"In short: a good headphone does NOT exhibit resonances that ‘ring’ for a relatively long time period (above 500Hz they should remain below 2ms before they have dropped 30dB in amplitude). So the better headphones should have a ‘wall’ of a waterfall drop as far in the back as possible. Ridges present at or near the front of the plot (even when already low in amplitude) are NOT desirable. Long resonances usually indicate an issue in that specific part of the frequency range and may mean that the headphone doesn’t resolve very well in that part of the frequency range"

stop yapping pls just read the bible about techs
https://crinacle.com/2021/06/04/the-tonal-technical-dichotomy-the-ief-evaluation-system/

>>106027248
they do

>>106027287
he's the one to tell the equltists that pos are minimum phase and they're stuck on it.
plus, the very first comment on the crin's article is, "Yeah, I think your ears are broken. I just tested myself and on a 1k sine I can easily hear third harmonics down to -55, I can also clearly hear the grating distortion of my XBA H3 around 4 kHz, You should be careful with blanket statements like “THD is (largely) irrelevant” and recommendations like “yeah, just completely ignore non-linear distortion becuase it’s just gonna mislead the general populace lul"
keep fucking yourself

>>106027381
ok fag
no S+ techs for you

>>106027287
ugh what a bunch of incoherent drivel
gross

>>106027410
A-?????
FUCKING A-!?!?!???

>>106027287
He just backpeddaled cause all of you too poor

>>106027514
>So CSD has correlation with frequency response, and solve frequency issue will also solve the CSD issue.
shocking
>But group delay has a threshold which mean over the threshold human can hear it, however below the threshold human can not hear it, and group delay for multi-way speakers or headphones will not get the threshold in most cases.
shocking 2
>At least, what we hear is peak of frequency response curve, not “ringing” of CSD above 200Hz.
WHAT
>Is CSD (Cumulative Spectral Decay) really important?
the answer is no
will dumb retard read this tho? probably not

>>106027381
>he's the one to tell the equltists that pos are minimum phase and they're stuck on it.
false

>>106027381
now this is some newsummerfag fake propaganda lmao

Audio is still in the stone age.

>>106027616
>what, shocking, retard
You are contributing nothing yourself, please 41% already

Is the Truthear Hexa still a good purchase today?
I've only used Chu 2s and my aging Galaxy Buds+ before

>>106027514
thanks for the chinese nonamer article. fr graphs don’t show decay or transient behavior. waterfall plots literally exist because two pos can graph identically but one rings or smears, collapsing stage and separation. that’s why fr alone can’t explain why one set images better than another, because the audio mix information are there, but only a clean system can replay them properly. pos with bad decay or distortion can blur that information, even if its fr looks appealing

>>106027661
meh, still as good as it was on release, which is to say polarizing

>>106027616
I did read it. all he showed was that he saw a peak at 7.5k, eq'd it and showed the plot afterward. holy techs, batman

>>106027684
now read the article

>>106027684
>Fourier has proved that there is a connection between frequency domain and time domain more than 200 years ago.
you literally stuck with shit proven 200 years ago lol

>>106027157
look at the op. pick one that is available and looks least gay.

>>106027661
it's boring af with no bass. do you want that? if not, choose something else

he was shown an actual explanation with formulas and science behind them... and his answer is just some incoherent drivel... sad

>>106027707
No that's not "all he showed"

education system really did fail you huh...

what fox iems are there other than fox iem?

techs are my tulpa

>>106027684
Trvthnvke, you pagpags will never hear tanchjim techs

>>106027514
Okay but how do I EQ in techs???

>>106027870
projecting this hard

>>106027890
EQ pos to a speaker set up by ear

>>106027904
Damn I knew I wasn't crazy

>>106027890
You cant eq techs pagpag

/thread

The outcome is clear, its a decisive techs victory this thread. Well played from both sides. Tune in next thread to see the exact same retarded argument all over again.

>>106027951
>less than 10 posters ITT
it's over

>>106027951
>8 votes
>1 vote per ip
jesus fuck how many of you are samefagging

This is the technology board, ofc we believe in techs

>>106027994
Well I'm the only other person in this thread other than you, so you must have samefagged 7 times.

>>106027890
you don't. you look for well-mixed audio and go from there.

if audio is solved, why isn't there mass psychosis over $25+ pos existing in the first place?

>>106028107
Nope, you hear the same songs you always do

>>106028122
because you have an understanding of a 12 years old child

>>106028122
because audiophools take 3 decades before catching up to the latest research and discoveries

>>106028139
>>106028154
oh. should I see my local audiologist?

>>106028173
psychiatrist

>>106028139
laughably, demonstrably, catastrophically and absolutely false.
>>106028154
hah. so correct me if I'm wrong. if $25 already gives you transparency, there's no audible reason for spending more, right?

>>106028226
>there's no audible reason for spending more, right
this was the case for several years and you catch up only now?
every research showed that there's no correlation between price and audio quality. you've been told that again and again

>be me
>read the EQ GuideTM
>buy a coupler to verify channel matching
>buy anechoic flat speakers + subs
>buy a usb minidsp mic to fix resonances below the room transition
>sit in the sweet spot and dont tilt my head otherwise it messes up the phantom center
>go back and forth between speakers and iems trying to match the speaker's timbre perceptually
>rely on poor auditory memory
>treble sounds off
>sine sweep to find length modes
>try again
>gets ear fatigue
>tries again the next day
>it gets better
>compare it with my old JM-1 EQ
>JM-1 EQ sounds better
did i waste my time??

>>106028354
you got a speaker setup, that's the opposite of a waste of time

>>106028354
speakers are obsolete

>>106028354
you are not equalizing correctly
equalize tone loudness in 50 Hz increments

>>106028291
so the high end market is a total scam/placebo or audio isn't actually solved and there ARE differences worth paying for? pick one, faggot.

>>106028107
>well-mixed audio
such as?

>>106028511
are you confused?

>>106023735
That’s weird. I can’t think of any biology that would be causing it. I guess I have to just silently deal with it like everyone else. It sucks because earbuds used to be fine before everything went Chinese. Now we have to wear these concert-style earpieces and deal with microphonics all the time. China has been a disaster for portable audio.

>>106028634
there are literally multiple options listed right there in the op that are "old school," style.

>>106028634
>China has been a disaster for portable audio.
nice joke

>>106028544
Yes he is. He doesn't understand that audiophools buy shit for the sake of satiating their autism or 'itch' and not because it's a substantial upgrade compared to what they already have. You can go on Headfi and see people still deeply invested in this shit despite being at Summit-Fi because of AUTISM.

>>106028531
Yosi Horikawa- Vapor
Steven Wilson- Hand. Cannot. Erase.


just two examples of producers that are legendary for maximizing soundstage and imaging

>>106028531
pretty much any audio track of any film of your choosing would fall under 'well-mixed audio', too

>Snowsky Melody, wooden USB dongle
don't really care about the performance, but it does look pretty

>>106027686
>>106027734
After doing a bit of reading I'll just probably get a Simgot EW300
Thanks bros

>>106029964
>increases deforestation
how dare you??

a little sneak peek!

>>106029964
>pair with wood shell pos and wood diaphragm
holy natural timbre & timber

>>106030530
It looks cheap as fuck. The Force design is already kind of subpar for Tanchjim, this looks fucking KZ tier.

>>106030530
Doesn't hit the same as the Origin. Hopefully better pics will dispel my doubts.

>>106023524 (OP)
>lose my er2se over the weekend
>dig up old hyped CCA CRAs
>fit is horrible and no seal = no bass
>all my tips are either too loose or too small and fall off in my ear (tweezers)
>even had spinfit CP100/145 XLs
>eqs drain battery and are annoying to finagle due to poor fit

I'm just going to buy an er2xr probably. I loved the seal, the bass was already enough for me on the SEs but the boost could help for on the road or on a plane.

>>106031043
Are the er4xrs worth the splurge?

>>106031043
What etymotics appeal to me is easy fit and passive noise cancelation. I can switch to the double flange if need be and still have a good time. The tuning isn't horrible either so it just werks and I can use them on anything and not worry about harsh peaks

>>106027808
Fox IEM, endgame.

>>106027951
So "techs = reddit upvotes" anon was right all along.

Remember. Listen to your songs, not to your gear. Stop visiting audio equipment forums and sites (including this general). Stop consuming audio equipment, go support the music artists you like and listen to more music.

>>106031043
Love my ER2SE, even busted my V30 out the other day. Forgot how good we used to have it, still am yet to find a better sounding source (other than the RU6).

>>106031663
You mean the pagpag poster was right all along?

>>106026764
Rhapsodio Darker

>>106031744
One of them, yes.

Should I buy the Mangird Tea Pros? Will only be used to listen to rock music. No gaming.

>>106031955
if you don't mind lots of bass

>>106031712
I never found the bass to be too quiet in most listening environments, with the noise blocked out from the deep fit you get a good enough boom. I'm worried if I get an xr the bass boost will darken the treble too much.

>>106032584
I never had the pleasure of listening to the ER2XR but I've found the bass in the ER2SE plentiful. Sounds more bassy than the graph would suggest. Lovely and tight bass.

>>106032594
Yeah I still get a nice thump. It's probably because the measuring tools can't get a good seal.

>>106032682
Yeah I'll probably just get the SEs again. I listen to podcasts as well so the bass might make voices annoying. I just can't go back to anything lse besides these $30 earphones I use when exercising since they're sweatproof. I should probably get some headphones one of these days.

>>106032690
Idk anon I haven't found anything that scratches the same itch as the ER2SE (HD580, HD565, HD600, ...). Fully an IEM guy now.

>>106032297
Ok! I just compared the frequency graph to the Simgot EW300's, and they look very similar. I just ordered the Simgots a couple of days ago. So if I like the tuning of those I should probably enjoy the Tea Pros as well.

>>106032769
fucking consumer whore

>>106032897
fucking nobody with a useless opinion

>>106032897
uh oh melty over no iems

>>106033195
iems are for plebs

>>106033221
good headphones like an aether 2 open back or hd800 are a tad too expensive for a pagpag like me

>>106033238
>good headphones
Heh

>>106033221
I have headphones too (HD650 and Fiio FH1). I prefer IEMs. Guess I grew up with in-ears so I can't get used to over-ears.

I use speakers at home though. IEMs only when walking.

>>106033332
>FH1
not FT1?

>>106033332
those are pos, try DCA Aether

>>106033678
Yes

>>106033694
Looks nice but 2500 is a lot of moola

is mr.editor still here?

"the technicals are good" = "I spent $500 dollars and I need to justify it to myself"

>>106034412
if you buy like 10 $30 POS you probably can find one with a decent technical performance because of various reasons (none of which is driver quality)

>>106028354
You forgot the part where you EQ speakers by preference, rookie mistake.

>>106034455
If techs were driver quality then everyone would hear the same level of techs in the same IEM which is demonstrably false.

>>106028511
Posts like this show anon merely dreams of trying expensive IEMs one day.

>>106034531
don't let him bait you. he knows he's completely full of shit

>>106034653
huh?? there's shitty $1k, $2k, $5k sets out there ya know. if you don't understand value or diminishing returns, you have nothing to say.

>>106034787
>>106034787
>>106034787

>>106034729
How would you know. You haven't tried them.