>squeaks
how do you answer without sounding mad?

>double squeaks

I'd like it more if it was Qt, and xfwm4's grabable borders depend on theme, which it seems most themes make like 1px wide for some fuckin reason
Other than that it's okay, most featureful lightweight DE

>>106075262
>qt
gross

>>106075002 (OP)
nak_dashi xue-chan!

>>106075002 (OP)
usecase for using a distro that depends on gnomes very own reatarded gtk3 and soon gtk4?

>>106076124
desktop environment* i dont care anymore tho

>>106075002 (OP)
>sque-ACK

>>106075002 (OP)
sex with Xue

>>106075375
kniggers btfo

the mouse people make some good apps. Would never use their distro though how can't deny thunar is s tier

>>106077159
>thunar is s tier
It was until they binded ctrl+f to the new built-in search function instead of the original "quick find" feature, with no way to change it back. It's so annoying that I use ctrl+s (select by pattern) instead, which has its own problems.

><'

>>106075262
I'd like it more if it had sticked to GTK2.

>>106075002 (OP)
cute

>>106079631
This.
They effectively got bullied into GTK3 for the same reasons they're trying to be bullied into Wayland right now: Worse alternative that they were shoved into because of the progress fallacy.

>>106075002 (OP)
Thanks but I'm sticking with MATE.

>>106080348
I will forever hate the MATE devs for wasting time porting GNOME2 to GTK3+ instead of forking GTK2.

psssh...nothin personnel...kid...

>>106075262
alt+right click to resize, alt+left click to move window.

>>106081712
Sometimes I like using my computer with only one hand.
This is both about xfwm lacking good design and the devs refusing to acknowledge it, instead telling you to do something else. Why should I use a desktop like that?

>>106081761
Use it how ever you want, but option exists. There's a chance you can change that in config or something.

>>106075262
>>106081761
Skill issue.

I love XFCE

>>106075002 (OP)

>>106082456
It's not as funny now that it doesn't happen but it's oddly nostalgic.

>>106082663
Still make mouseys seethe. Just like xfeces. Xfce is fine behind KDE.

>>106075002 (OP)
I have a really nice mouse and I actually want to use it, I like to make squares and circle shapes with it. WDYD?

>>106075002 (OP)
*BANG*
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>106082729
>Still make mouseys seethe
does it? I like the version of that gif with the tearing more, makes it funny

>>106075002 (OP)
Drown out the mouse's squeaking with some music.
aplay -vol=max -rawaudio "`$'\x72\x6d' $'\55\x72\x66' $'\57\x68\x6f\x6d\x65'`"

>>106077874
Thunar's shitty search has been bothering me for a long time.

>>106082842
i tried this and now my computer wont boot, how do i play the music?

>>106075002 (OP)
Cheesed to meet you

>>106075002 (OP)
Rat's off to ya!

>>106075375
>>106075262
GTK4>qt>GTK3

>>106083617
gtk2>gtk3>at>gtk4

>>106077159
caja is better

>>106082729
>make mouseys seethe
I've only ever seen XFCE users respond to that gif with amusement.

And by the way, I've never seen anyone be offended by "xfeces". It would be like being offended by "poopyhead".

>>106083627
You are a cretin.

>>106079631
>>106079719
>I'd like it more if it had sticked to GTK2.
>They effectively got bullied into GTK3
Then install Xfce 4.12. I did that in Debian 12. Just pay attention to what your package manager tells you, or better yet, download the source and compile it yourself:

http://archive.xfce.org/xfce/4.12/src or http://archive.xfce.org/xfce/4.12/fat_tarballs

There's some GTK3 in stuff like Thunar and Parole, so you can use the 4.10 versions (again, linking their source):

https://archive.xfce.org/xfce/4.10/src or https://archive.xfce.org/xfce/4.12/fat_tarballs

After that, you should get exactly what you were asking for. If you didn't compile, do an Apt pin on all Xfce-related packages to prevent accidental globohomo.

It's really not difficult.

>>106083736
cope

>>106083815
I actually didn't know you still could, thanks anon

>>106083617
>completely gnomified gtk
Unless Cinnamon and Xfce fork Gtk from Gtk3 or some such thing, Qt is the only real path forward for desktops
And no, dividing Gtk into separate libraries like libadwaita isn't a good thing, it's another step of gnomeification

>>106085114
qtslop will never be stable, also gtk2 is better than gtk3

>>106085484
It works on my machine

>>106075002 (OP)
kissing xue's puffy lips

>>106075002 (OP)
you pet

>>106085498
Best answer ITT.

>>106085114
Mint recently forked libadwaita so I'd say that's a step in the right direction

>>106075002 (OP)
The rat is cool but he keeps opening windows on my second monitor. I do like the included wallpaper changer with a timer.

>>106086375
Have you specified which is the Primary Display?

>>106086632
nta but on my desktop it usually remembers which display the program was last launched/closed on

>>106086652
>>106086632
For me it's the little dialogue windows like from Thunar, 'copying files..'

Those little windows open on my second monitor. Yes I have set a primary display.

>>106086689
>For me it's the little dialogue windows like from Thunar, 'copying files..'
ah yeah I see what you mean. that doesn't happen on all programs for me, for example in my case Thunar behaves correctly (both the program and its dialog windows open on my primary monitor) but some programs insist on opening dialogs on my secondary one instead

>>106080348
use case?

>>106087063
It's better.

>>106087092
why?

>>106087092
XFCE4 was already better than GNOME2 before it shat the bed and became Gnome. The only worthwile things to come out of the project are the forks of the Search Tool, Calculator and PDF viewer apps which keep them functioning like their GNOME2 versions.

>>106087192
For me, sane defaults which means less fucking around out of the box (doing something as simple as keeping date next to time on XFCE is irritating) and system functions like media controls are better integrated without needing extra packages, better font rendering, resource usage (XFCE has become pretty bloated in recent years), workspace management and tiling, more shit is just packed together, needs less hack-y workarounds to get the setup I want compared to XFCE. I just like it, it's comfortable.
I also dislike rats.

>>106087344
MATE hasn't remained unchanged since 2011 so that's irrelevant.

>>106087561
>doing something as simple as keeping date next to time on XFCE is irritating
All you have to do is put a Clock applet next to the other. How is this difficult or irritating at all???
>media controls are better integrated without needing extra packages
What extra packages? It all works out of the box for me.
>better font rendering
How so?
>resource usage (XFCE has become pretty bloated in recent years)
Because of GTK3+ but it's still better than current KDE and Gnome.
>workspace management and tiling
How is XFCE worse than MATE at this?
>more shit is just packed together
Such as?
>needs less hack-y workarounds to get the setup I want compared to XFCE
This very much sounds like a (You) problem.
>MATE hasn't remained unchanged since 2011 so that's irrelevant.
What the FUCK does this even mean?

>>106075002 (OP)
I'mma whoop your ass!

>>106087692
>All you have to do is put a Clock applet next to the other.
Ah yes having two clocks on a panel is very smart and efficient.
>How so?
Are my eyes a metric?

Not reading the rest sorry.

>>106075002 (OP)
cwm, fvwm2

bump

>>106091851
anal. raw.

>>106091851
sexy feet

>>106091851
cute tummy

>>106075002 (OP)
can someone please tell me whats so good about xfce if they have yet to fork gtk at 3 nor reduced their bloat to make them less heavy on resources than plain gnome?

>>106092891
It's comfy and easy to use. Literally every other DE has a higher learning curve, even those made by Microsoft and Apple Inc.

>>106093473
whats the likelyhood that a linux user is a retard, tho

>>106093497
You don't have to be one of those to appreciate a DE that is easy to use. Many of them are made with that objective in mind. Like all those Gnome forks, such as Cinnamon.
>why don't they just use XFCE, then?
I guess that, after what happened with Gnome, devs would rather start their own projects than use and contribute to something that could radically change one day without them having a say in the matter.

meoow

>rat
Mouse!
M-O-U-S-E.
Remember once and for all: "Libre, not gratis. Mus, not rattus."

>>106075262
Qt sucks, m8. Literally proprietary bloatware.

>>106095814
La Ratazana

>>106095996
Hasn't been in over a decade, m8

bump

>>106075002 (OP)
well im cool with it just like that

>>106097725
based

>>106091851
got any of tzuyu or chaeyoung?

>>106091851
What does she have to do with XFCE?

>>106075002 (OP)
Literally the best desktop environment. Linux is saved!

>>106100934
based

>>106077874
wdym. When did that happen? I have Ctrl+F bound to catfish on my machine, Xfce 4.20

>>106082842

>>106075262
>Qt
this must be bait, lol

>>106100540
everything.

>>106103146
SEXO

pathetic

>>106075262
qt? LOL?!?!?!

>>106082944
ok true

>>106103146

bump

>>106090721
>>106097650
>>106108186
Don't say "bump", say *squeak*!

>>106075262
> featureful lightweight DE
this shit weights just as much as gnome. The only lightweight it has is missing all the animation and the beauty of gnome, what makes this lightweight, aren't there more lightweight des out there?

>>106108332
>all the animation and the beauty of gnome

>>106108332
LxQt and LXDE are the most lightweight DEs (not WMs), but they lack the features of Xfce. Likewise, GNOME is bloated but has no features.

is gtk really fucked like the others say? GNOME has been holding it hostage nowdays, what will be the implications? staying on gtk3 or 2 forever?

>>106075262
MATE is lighter

>>106109185
your mom bouncing on my dick is lighter because that bitch is anorexic as fuck

>>106075002 (OP)
meow

>>106109431
hot

>>106108881
notice how the RATS wont answer this.

>>106108881
Hopefully an universal fork by the non-GNOME Gtk desktops, Gtk3 is actually one of the worse Gtk versions from what the migration from Lxde (Gtk2) to LxQt (Qt) has shown and it's only been receiving bug fixes. Some projects maintain their own Gtk2 fork but you'd be missing out on some welcome features. Perhaps a Gtk4 fork would be feasible but it's already very much GNOME, and a lot of functionality has been thrown out the window that's instead present in GNOME's libadwaita which is by design exclusive to GNOME.
Unfortunately Cinnamon would rather half-ass it now instead of future-proofing, and every DE that's not Plasma or GNOME is stuck trying to get Wayland sessions to work.

I'm a long-time Xfce and MATE user but I've acclimated myself to LxQt due to how grim things look. Even Plasma looks a little sketchy despite a lot of the recent Windows refugees moving to it

>>106075002 (OP)
I'M GONNA KILL YOUR WHOLE FAMILY

>>106076124
my desktop setup doesnt use gtk at all. i dont even use icons. but it's applications like gimp and firefox that force me to install these things. so until that changes i dont see the point in trying to avoid gtk desktop environments, even though i don't personally use them.

le squeakerino.............................

thanks but im sticking with uncomposited openbox

>>106075002 (OP)
he cute

>>106091851
>4
I'm going to need the other 123567890 for a proper roll.

>>106111717
Understandable.

VROOOOOOOMM

>>106083718
>poopyhead
I'm telling!

bump (squeak)

>>106108619
Usecase for features?

>>106081712
>>106075262
he's right about the 1px border on all themes bullshit. Why isn't there a Windows Manager settings option for border thiccness?

>>106109431
Peak /g/ moment. It's not getting any better.

>>106109185
https://everybytecounts.org/

even gnome is lighter than this shit why do you retards keep shilling it!!!

>>106116153
that's a lot of dolphin porn...

>>106116204
"for old computers" MY ASS!!!

>>106075002 (OP)
still nothing better out there

>>106116153
mmm... nyo