Thread 106119703

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC&diff=55476&oldid=55400

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X, 14400F, 12600K
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700/X, 7700/X, 14600K
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X, 265K*
Premium: 9950X3D
*Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
Budget single tower: Artic Freezer 36
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues are still reported; BIOS must be updated before CPU installation
>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high-end: consider 2x48GB or 2x64GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, RTX 5060 Ti
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT, Used 4070 Ti/Super
Workstation: used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>106074033


>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro (loud @ higher RPM), P14/Max (5-pack)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)
prev thread: >>106116093

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.
Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V). Win10 E-core scheduler subpar in multi-threaded loads.
Onboard audio: ALC987 - mediocre; ALC4080 (USB Audio) - immature; ALC1220 (HD audio) - premium, mature driver.
X870E: USB - M2 lane sharing

>Product Notice
AOC Q27G40XMN: nice budget 1440p miniLED monitor but inconsistent QC.
Bad one causes DisplayHDR setting to look overbrightened and desaturated when applying the best local dimming option.

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

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>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

oops

>>106119779
Why did Nvidia give the 5070 a paltry 12GB of VRAM?

>>106119791
why is it the bestselling card of this generation

9070xt - $825
5070ti - $925
5060ti16 - $532
fuck that is a hard decision
leaning towards 9070xt for some reason

>>106119814
>9070xt - $825
>5070ti - $925
>5060ti16 - $532
A 5070 for msrp

>>106119811
Probably because it's the only one you can get at MSRP, I can't even find a 5060ti 16GB anywhere for MSRP.

Reminder :

for 3300$ this doesnt look too bad does it? in eu

>>106119829
hmm nyo

>>106119851
>hmm no
Well then eat shit queer. 5070 and 5090 literally the only cards worth buying this gen btw

>>106119703 (OP)
that image is basically my entire life.
i literally can't do anything if people are (or could be) watching me.

>>106119814
5070Ti for $799 in stock at MSI store (in US at least) *shrug*

>>106119842
Is it really worth blowing your load for a vanilla 5080 at this point when the Super Refresh will be out next year?

>>106119894
When I lived at home I remember always having a family safe website tab queued up and ready to jump to at a moments notice.

>>106120002
If you hold off for future hardware releases you'll get caught in a waiting loop. There's always something new coming.

The best thing you can do is buy based on the current market, not what will come later, or you'll drive yourself crazy.

>>106120096
I'm caught in one right now
but I know that node jump is coming
I cannot justify leaping now

>>106119842
>buying the cucked 5080

researching this shit makes me psychotic, just give me a CRT with integrated graphics and fire me at tel'aviv

>>106119703 (OP)
I think you should update the GPU list to explicitly state that you should only buy the 5060ti 16gb and not the 8gb version, you WILL get VRAM cucked at 8GB, even at 1080p

>>106120223
Sounds good to me.

Completed it on Intel Arc. Used dxvk.

>>106119838
There no raytracing games in 10 years, its a slop and optional looks like.

Gigabyte M27UP or ASUS ROG Strix XG27UCS? I'm torn mainly for 2 reasons: 1. I'll have to keep waiting for the M27UP since it doesn't look like it's out in the US yet and 2. I already have 2 ASUS panels and would like them all to match but I can get over that.

Radeon bros you have done your civic duty as a member of the AMD Republic and taken the survey right? We need to let Lisa know we want FSR 4 and Anti-Lag 2 in more games!!!

>>106119703 (OP)
Is it as good idea to vertically mount a 5090 since Gen 5.0 riser cables basically don't exist. It's for an open loop.

I'm looking to have a stupid amount of ram to keep a DB in cache, anywhere between 500GB to 1TB
I'm having a bit of trouble finding parts for it though. Looking at the Threadripper PRO 9955WX since I can get it for cheap near me, but it's not set in stone. Any suggestions?

Best graphics card under €300?

>>106120647
a steam deck

>>106120632
Completed it on Intel Arc.

>>106120632
I play the original in dolphin sorry

>>106120658
>No improved rt, ray reconstruction, and vsm modded in
You didn't beat it.

>get new PC with 9800X3D and 5070 Ti
>test Cyberpunk with everything max, PT psycho and DLSS4 Q
>95fps without framegen

Holy fuck I was expecting maybe 75.

>>106120223
Seconding this. If it were a 10/12GB you could get away with poormaxxing, but 8GB is just too little.

Fuck, one fan from the meager two that I ordered is scraping on itself. Goddamn it

>>106120771
Can you compare it to the good and flex it straight?

>>106120774
Me and a friend of mine who assisted in building the whole rig tried, to no avail. I can already anticipate the hell of RMAing a little shit like that in my country. The seller will probably require me to return the entire order. Windows 11 is sharted itself while I tried to activate it and the new monitor came with a dead pixel. Oh well

Is it worth it to buy a big ass regular HDD to store stuff like movies/music/pictures, will having a regular HDD affect the computer in any kind of way?

this is not ai

Can curve shaper use together with curve optimizer? Let's set my co to -30 and i set high freq/high nimber in curve shaper to +20. The final offset during high freq/high temp will be -10 right?

>>106120687
Game already dark without rt. This makes even worse. Maybe for OLED only.
>>106120757
Budget card should be budget, but that Nvidio you know. Pay 300$ for 8 gb and shut up.

>>106120853
>will having a regular HDD affect the computer in any kind of way?
No it should be fine

>>106120853
Yes, they has big buffers now. You can use is for OS too.
Comparing to dramless SSD, HDD with big buffer run OS better and has no UI stutters. I tested.
For storing you can pick HDD, but dont hit it and check if your PSU is good (not chinese cheap junk).

>>106120898
No it's autism.

>>106120481
>>106120507
nibbas will post screenshots like this and say that game graphics have stagnated...

>>106120994
Stop spreading misinfo. No HDD no matter the cache size is suitable to put the OS/apps on in 2025. Read only data like movies/music/pictures as >>106120853 wanted fine. But the access latency and QD1 random read/writes are still magnitudes superior for SSDs in terms of being a system a drive.

>>106120853
>will having a regular HDD affect the computer in any kind of way?
hdd has mechanical, vibrating elements which under heavy loads can shift the position of your pc case and make it fall off the desk

I don't understand how people do cable management, none of this stuff ever reaches except by doing fucked up angles across the motherboard

>>106121163
You're not supposed to coat your case feet in teflon.

>>106121078
Can post like this.
>>106121136
>spreading misinfo
Its not. Dram less SSD SATA 3 vs 64 mb cache 5200 HDD and guess what? SSD during write operations can freeze system UI despite bigger write speed 5x of SATA HDD.
>>106121163
>can shift the position of your pc case and make it fall off the desk
What?

Assume I have infinite money, is the 9800X3D still going to give me better gaming performance than 9950X3D, or is it just something people say to be cheap?

>>106119684
>Can you elaborate?
Any OEM workstation components are "proprietary" like you might not be able to replace the cooling because motherboard have very specific holes that don't match common patterns, that kind of stuff. Still great value.

>>106120501
>vertically mount a 5090
You mean with motherboard laying horizontally? I'd say yeah, if you fix it with standard nuts at the case stub, you should be fine. That's what I'm planning to do anyway with 3 slot card.

>>106119842
Why not B850 motherboard and 64GB of RAM?

>>106120106
>but I know that node jump is coming
You think that you do.
>>106120566
I've only seen like 256GB on consumer boards. Lenovo ThinkStation P5/P7/PX, if you have that kind of infinite money.

>>106120647
A used 4060.
>>106120740
Now add the goon mods!
>>106120825
>new monitor came with a dead pixel.
Try flicking it with the nail of your finger couple of times. Sometimes that fixes it.

>>106121272
>Dram less SSD
got one of those and 99.9999 of time it's irrelevant it works fine. had a few hiccups for few seconds but it's mostly irrelevant if you're not constantly copying large amount of data

>>106120853
It shouldn't, but I get those stupid-ass stutters in online games like Tarkov if I leave my HDD in the system. So I have to take them offline in disk manager each time I play. I don't know why, maybe something to do with anti-cheat.

>>106121193
>none of this stuff ever reaches except by doing fucked up angles across the motherboard
>I don't understand how people do cable management
People do this by not cheaping out on PSU with thought-out cable length design.

GPUs have their own radiators now?

>>106121498
>cable management
estrogen fueled autism

>>106121577
Yes

>>106120537
>It's for an open loop.
no

>>106121581
Not having cable salad in the way can dramatically increase cooling. And considering most people put together a rig and don't touch it for next 5 years at least, it makes sense to do it right. You're defending your right to be sloppy a little to vehemently.

What order do you actually build in, mobo first, PSU first?

>>106121618
you can sort of make it not impede airflow, sure. but there's a difference between that and psychotic tracing of each cable, that screams mental issues to me. normal people are messy to some degree. signals sanity. spending a lot to have irrelevant neatly traced cables that you never see, nor anyone else, with no real function other than you knowing you did such a good job and feel superior for doing it because your peers go all "woah dude such perfection" is a red flag

>>106121640
1. Mobo
2. Connector interfaces to mobo: Front USB, power button, sound extension etc.
3. PSU
4. CPU
5. CPU Cooler
>>106121645
>psychotic tracing of each cable
It's neat, anon. It's normal to like neat. Normal people aren't messy in stuff that would have permanent presence in their daily life, that they only had to do good once. Like a personal computer that were turned into exposition pieces by rise of glass side panels and even entire aquarium cases.
>that you never see
Well you kinda forgot about the trend of seeing inside of PC. Now that's what I would call autistic and out of touch.

>>106121645
>knowing you did such a good job and feel superior for doing it
what makes life worth living

>>106119703 (OP)
Just open YT and watch the furries.

>>106121669
this is beautiful and I wish I could just buy it

>>106121669
it's normal to like neat to a degree. when you obsess about it that's not healthy. ocd is an issue, it's not "healthy", it impedes normal functioning with sort of messy average humans. for no practical gain. your body is a fucking mess, but works fine. shit's not neatly traced. nothing is in nature, by ocd standards. it just has to work, and be efficient. spending a fuckload of money on goldfoil wrapped cables that you neatly traced is not supported by nature in any way, it's a mental disease.

>>106121688
Alright that's enough fishing for one day don't you think?

>>106121675
secks, coffee, a good steak, having fun with friends, pulling off some project you're interested in, depends on who you're asking. obsessing over irrelevant shit is not healthy.

>>106121577
>what is the r9 fury x

You're about 10 years late

>>106121688
it looks nice and impresses women

>>106120938
yes

>>106121688
>when you obsess about it that's not healthy
Again, not for the things that you only have to do good once and then never touch it again.

>>106121315
check benchmarks. the gaming performance is the same

>>106121715
>impresses women

Thank god battlefield 6 looks well optimised. The only game I want to genuinely play this year and people with rtx 30 series cards and ryzen 6 cores are getting good performance based on pre alpha footage on YT. I won't need to upgrade for a while.

Looks like AMDchads win again.

>>106121718
I do that when I'm repasting, I'm careful to cover every bit of the surface, just to make sure. that's something that's worth spending some extra time on, I'm not saying you should rush everything. just don't care what anyone would think if they were to see my shit. it's not horrible, just not ocd level neat

>>106121731
buahahahahahahahhahahaha

>>106121724
If he can manage his cables, he can manage his...

You have to learn how women think.

>>106121740
"Worth" is subjective.
> just don't care what anyone would think if they were to see my shit.
Some people care that THEY themselves would see it.

>>106119711
What about the ALC4082 audio codec?
Is it good? Is it also an USB chip?

>>106121760
you can't see shit if the case is on the floor under the desk lol

>>106121731
BIOS ID check wen

>>106121774
>Is it also an USB chip?
Yes it's USB audio.
>Is it good?
According to user reviews, the drivers are immature, there is popping and whining even though it's supposed to be only installed on more or less mid-high tier motherboards with good shielding & quality components.

ALC1220 on classic HD Audio bus and its derivatives is better and they're still putting it into premium motherboards.
>>106121791
>you can't see shit if the case is on the floor under the desk lol
1. With RGB that are common nowadays, you can.
2. People put their cases on their desks or on the wall.

Are you genuinely living under a rock that you don't know these trends or are you just trolling?

>>106121818
>Are you genuinely living under a rock that you don't know these trends or are you just trolling?
nope, I'm just mentally sane lol it's weird seeing you even have courage saying it with a straight face like "what bruh you're the weird one" this is so weird how tf did we get here this is a failure of your parents

>>106121864
>or are you just trolling?
I'll take it as a yes.

>9070/xt not even on the list
So RDNA4 is confirmed a dud right? Will amd just drop out of the consumer gpu market to make room for Nvidia and Intel to make gpus people actually want to buy?

>>106121879
the 5000 series Nvidia GPUs are still less than 2% marketshare
the average steamie is just a poor broke faggot third-worlder

>>106121868
not trolling, trying to make you see just because most of your peers agree with you doesn't mean that's healthy anon. just because you know they'll support you because it's the "current thing" doesn't prove you are in the right and that shit's healthy. it's just corporations pushing shit on you
>but it's harmless
the fuck it is

>>106121879
Diversifying and actually competing is for snowflakes. You MUST capitalize on one direction where you're unmatched, put ALL EGGS in one basket then get fucked completely out of your market share when you make 1 bad gen.

>>106121879
>porsche 911 isn't even the most common car ergo it's a shit car

>>106121907
>modern state of VW-owned Porsche
That's pretty accurate.

>>106121714
well where the hell do I put it

The choice between minimum input delay but having to deal with cables and going wireless but having noticeable input delay (talking about peripherals here) is vexing me. I still cant make up my mind.

>>106121922
typically front intake

>>106121924
It's not the early 2000's anymore, there is no perceivable difference between wired and wireless anymore. If you are sitting at your desk go wired keyboard since it never moves and wireless mouse. You'll never want to go back to wired mouse again.

>>106121924
>having noticeable input delay
take your fucking meds, or get back in your time machine

>>106121924
There is no noticeable input delay on modern peripherals. Even cheap Chinese keyboards have low input latency via 2.4ghz dongles and modern wireless mice can support all the way up to 8k polling wirelessly. I use wireless peripherals for competitive gaming and don't have any issues at all. In fact my new wireless mouse feels like it has better responsiveness than my old logitech with the hero 1k sensor because the new sensors are so much better.

>>106121935
Then something is wrong with all my hardware for the past 5 years somehow, because both my previous machine and this new one have noticeable input hiccups with Bluetooth devices.

>>106121469
Can get a brand new 5060 for something similar, is it any better than the 4060? I’m completely out of the loop of what’s good these days, beyond the fact nvidia cards have fuck all vram

>>106121949
>Bluetooth

Because Bluetooth is shit and not designed for low latency unless they support a specific low latency version of it which the vast majority don't, because they don't need to as they're not designed to be low latency. All low latency peripherals from headsets to keyboards to mice use 2.4ghz connectivity. It's much higher bandwidth than Bluetooth and much lower latency.

>>106121976
Hey blud check what frequency bluetooth uses.

>>106121949
>bluetooth
what the fuck dont use that shit, just use the USB dongle that comes with your device

>>106121986
They both use 2.4ghz yes but 2.4ghz is specifically referred to low latency devices. Look at any product advertising.

Anyone aware of network adapter failing on the MSI B450 gaming plus before?

>>106121988
Wont really help out my dongle-less DualSense now will it?

>>106121315
9950x3d is faster if you disable ccd1

>>106122000
Then stop using shit Bluetooth controllers. There are tons of cheaper but superior off brand controllers which come with their own dongles for the lowest latency and 1k polling. I know the dualsense can do 1k polling but probably only via wired.

>>106122054
Fair enough. Wish it was standardized like Bluetooth itself though.

>>106121943
>he believes them on this
you do you anon

>>106122088
dont have to believe
https://github.com/teamfinalmouse/xlat?tab=readme-ov-file

Is there any reason to upgrade my x670e to a x870e? This just seems like its the same shit with a different coat of paint

>>106122106
no unless you need usb4

gimme gimme

>>106122114
so basically worthless dogshit, got it

>>106122114
It has a clear cmos button and a flash bios button so you don't have to take your computer apart to do that.

I wish there was a list of just best-in-slot components without the bullshit, I'm tired of reading a thousand articles and benchmarks and youtube videos and all this other shit.

>>106122142
>5080
nice lookin paper weight

>>106122208
9950x3d
5090
everything else doesn’t matter

>>106122244
there's still best in slot ram and storage doe

Thermal pads - good, or gay?

>>106122257
igor's lab tested them as better performing than paste

>>106122244
Is 16 cores really necessary though? You doing some AI shit?

>>106122265
He's asking for best-in-slot. That's the best consumer chip.

>>106122244
>5090
only poor fags buy that. real chads buy the rtx pro 6000

thinking about just getting a 4060 cheapo laptop and give up on desktop hell

Does anyone know when AMD started putting these cheeky "Team Red" slips in their cases? I unboxed an 9800X3D the other day and noticed it underneath the plastic shroud.

>>106122106
Fuck no
>>106122324
Since at least Ryzen 2000

>>106122324
for a long time. Njudea do the same with their team-green stuff. Its cringe from both companies, but it is delightfully quaint and makes me smile when i stumble across it myself.

>>106121879
AMDxisters.....
h-how could this happen?!?! AMDunboxed said radeon sold more this generation!! wtf was he lying?!?!

>>106122265
>necessary
if he was a poorfag or a jew sure, you could make an argument for this, but he's clearly not, are you the autist in this general who keeps telling people they bought a psu with too-high wattage? rethink your posts.

>>106122313
whats hellish about it? buy non-shit parts, enjoy the pc for 6+years, or are you mentally ill and a pathological procastinator and refuse to actually make a decision?

>>106122415
>this generation
>full of 3060's

>>106122415
MLID said AMD was outselling NVIDIA 10 to 1

>>106122283
>>106122244
Where do you assholes get this money?

>>106122455
the 5090 appeared on the list before any RDNA4 card
>>106122480
employment

what the fuck is going on with the 9000 series prices? They are genuinely fucked and dont seem to be getting better any time soon

>>106122502
AMD lied about the prices and niggercattle gamers gobbled it up

>>106121879
As we keep pointing out, less than 2% of users have a 5000 series card either. Most people have shitbox computers, it took FOREVER for the 1060 to be dethroned by the 2060 as the top video card - I think the 3000s were out by then. And people have now been holding onto those 3000s for a long time instead of upgrading. Nvidia "won" - past tense intentional. Everyone went out and scooped up a 3060 and then never upgraded.

>>106122480
my dads credit card

>>106121879
amd cards exist to upsell nvidia

>>106122511
the 5090 appeared on the list before any RDNA4 card, it's crushing their entire lineup ALONE

What would be considered the smallest form factor model of the rtx 4090?

>>106122480
>Where do you assholes get this money?
From my OnlyFans.

>>106122480
I sell pictures of my butthole to this anon >>106122535

>>106122534
the 5090 FE

>>106122532
The committed clique of performance-maxers who always buy the latest and greatest hardware are the only reason it shows up. No one else cares.

>>106122544
i was gonna just call you a nigger, but i do wonder if you can just slap on a 5090 FE cooler on a 4090

>>106122535
Are you a girl?

>>106122532
>5090
gamers don't care about it, it's not a gaming card, that's a statement piece, for few weirdos

>NVMe or SATA 2.5" SSDs?
>(for NAS where all disks are connected externally via USB)
inb4 don't do it

Basically I'm already using an old laptop for my NAS, and even though the idea of building something is nice so all the disks fit inside neatly etc, that likely won't ever happen because I always get 'hand me downs' from people i.e. when people get a new PC they give me their old ones either to use or to dispose of. And they are all either laptops or mini PCs. At least one every few years. So I will always have a slow stream of perfectly good computers I can repurpose as my NAS or for my other server purposes. So basically unless I want to waste money for appearance's and neatness's sake (which I don't because I'm not a woman), I'm always going to use USB for my NAS disks.

Given that, is there any point to getting NVMe disks? Or are SATA better if using USB?

>>106122573
then why has it appeared on the steam charts before any RDNA4 card?

>5090 is an extreme statement piece that nobody wants and nobody is buying
>still appears on the steam charts before any RDNA4 card while it's still $2500
the mood over at the Radeon division must be downright suicidal if their entire inventory is still rotting on shelves

>>106122579
>disks are connected externally via USB
If you truly didn't care about appearances you'd use the SATA ports and just have the HDDs sticking out of the case because who fucking cares how that looks

>>106122257
Okay, but paste is better. Also a bitch to install because they're going to slip and slide while you try to mount a cooling block.

>Insecure nvidiot fanboys trying to incite brand wars for the 50th time spamming about Radeon market share unprompted
If Radeon sucks why do you think about it everyday and ruin this thread with your tribal garbage? The insecurity is palpable, did you all pay 200 dollars over MSRP for your 50 series cards or what?

>>106122534
msi ventus 2 fan model

>>106122596
>nvidia doesn't pay for advertising
have no clue in what circumstance it got in what kind of chart

I’m sorry that the steam hardware survey data makes your clitty leak

>>106122669
simply put the 5090 is outselling even AMDs midrange cards, 90 class cards sell extremely well no matter how hard you cope

>>106122614
there's no radeon inventory to speak of
every 9070xt made is a $2000 loss for amd that could have gone towards five 9950x3d instead

>>106122632
still i'd have to go out of my way and spend money for that, when i have a perfectly good old laptop to use right now, and will get another laptop/minipc every time someone close to me upgrades their computer

so anyway, NVMe or SATA?

should i buy a 5090 FE?

>>106122720
only at msrp
i personally wouldn't since the pcie slot is on an internal riser (that worsens signal quality and causes instability in some boards) and liquid metal that's used will age and require a reapplication which will be messy
also its the hottest and loudest air cooled variant on the market

>>106122684
if they're the same price don't see why you shouldn't go with nvme

>Checking out PC cases
>The MEG, an artifact infused with the ancient world's mystical powers, breathes its divine essence into the creation of the
Jesus fucking Christ.

It's a fucking metal box.

>>106122662
>2 fan model
thats not a thing

>>106122847
If there's one thing Fortnite skins prove, its that people care about appearances over all else.

>>106122847
this is why we cant have cool as shit like in the early 2000s

>>106119703 (OP)
I hope my 16gig vram makes it another 5 years

>>106122895
I've been making it on 3 for 10 years, I'm sure you'll be fine.

Why are all the best looking cases mATX or smaller? Small cases are such a fucking cable management nightmare.

>>106122901
>10 years
This, gentlemen, is the average steam user. This is why the 1060 was the most popular video card until like 2021.

>>106122903
They aren't, there are plenty of good looking normal sized cases.

>"I'll just spring for the extra performance. That way I won't have to upgrade in the future"
> ends up spending more on my PC than I wanted to and doesn't even use everything at its max
Fuck

>>106122848
your right i remembered wrongly, its a 3 fan model but iirc its the most itx-friendly version around

I almost want to assemble an ITX just for the challenge, if only because the idea of having a powerful yet compact machine in a fancy case is inherently appealing. But then I think about how much of a pain in the ass it would be and never do.

There any brick and mortar chains besides Best Buy and Canada Computers that sell parts in Canada?

>>106122908
I was a 980ti chad for a decade

We shouldn't even have cables it's 2025

>>106122676
that's insidious and misrepresenting the reality of things. that's a different market, for AI farms, which is a different application altogether. cannot lump it with gaming GPUs since it's not being bought by gamers, to game on. it's a completely different market.
imagine sinking to such low levels to make your shit seem relevant.

>>106123007
Man I remember 20 years ago I was dreaming about computers and thought they would be a floating cube or something by now. At this rate I'm not even going to live long enough to see sword art online become reality.

>>106122903
Fractal makes mATX cases with good cable management. Most people don't use expansion cards anymore so you don't need the PCIe slots of larger motherboards and the space saving is nice. I like smaller computers.
https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/define/define-7-mini/black-tg-light-tint/

>watch video on how shitty it is to be an amazon driver
>feel bad because im about to order like 13 pc components
Wish I could tip them, bros

>>106123051
PC components aren't going to hurt a delivery driver, somebody ordering a 300lb deadlift setup will.

>>106123051
Link? I was considering maybe trying that as a part time job.

>>106123071
All entry level jobs suck. Better to go UPS or costco and wait to move up and make some decent money if you dont want to go to college or trades imo

>>106123051
They knew what they signed up for.

>>106123024
AI farms don’t get included in the STEAM hardware survey, you fucking retard, the steam hardware survey is pretty much only pulling data from gamers
another embarrassing and desperate cope debunked in seconds

>the steam hardware survey is just all AI farms bro!!!!
this is the saddest radeontranny cope yet

>>106123025
>Man I remember 20 years ago
bro how old are you?

>>106123126
yeah bruh get two three of these farms to install steam on a few computers controlling a few hundred of these GPUs just so they pop up in the steam lists and suddenly you make it a gamer's choice GPU fuck outta here with this bullshit, only some rich kids, tech bros and youtubers got those for gaming, it's not a thing people buy for gaming lmao

>>106123160
holy fucking COPE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you are coping, coping and seething, you just can't believe what you're seeing
in reality AI farms are buying NVIDIA's enterprise products
the 5090 is simply more popular than any RDNA4 card

>>106123159
You're here forever, never forget that.

>>106123167
there's middle ground AI farms that cannot afford enterprise shit which is massively overpriced vs some company selling AI products to lower level businesses. just because their IT guy tested Steam on the AI farm doesn't mean it's a fucking gaming card. some Steam survey showing 5090 popped on their servers is not proof it's a gamer favorite GPU. have gamer friends none even fucking considered getting such a retarded GPU for gaming. some of them are well off. hell, even fucking Pewds has a 9070XT, that mf can get 100 5090's and still didn't touch that shit

>>106123153
i don't get AMD fanboys' logic here, how is steam inaccurate or downright malicious with radeon GPUs in their surveys, but are conveniently reliable when it shows ryzen gaining share over intel in the same surveys?

>>106122809
Isn't heat an issue with NVMe? Even via USB, even at idle, don't NVMe run quite hot for no reason?
Also because NVMe are supposed to plug into the motherboard, they rely on HMB and don't have DRAM cache. Thus if connected by USB they won't have either, while a good SATA SSD will have DRAM?

>>106123205
they are trannies that are coping, it's that simple

>>106123191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8MZBUoQt68

>9070 is the best selling amd card in years
>99% of 4chan can't afford the 5090 yet alone steam who notoriously uses old hardware
Somehow you think you can gaslight me into thinking steam users bought millions of 5090's. Yeah nah.

You can insult us all you want NvidiACKs, I put an 9070 XT in my new comp and there's nothing you can do about it.

you can cope all you want but the steam hardware survey proves you wrong, all your cope about it just being AI farms is exactly that, a sad tranny cope
radeon will never be popular, you will never be a woman

>>106123211
My NVME has DRAM.

>>106123255
You created the duopoly by not buying third party options. You have only yourselves to blame.

>wars
its literally just one troon dilating that the steam hardware survey is fake because it make xir clitty leak

>>106123261
I don't even know what DRAM is, you people keep making up new things all the time I can't keep up.

>>106123264
yeah up yours bud, NTA but i bought an intel arc sparkle and all you made fun of me :(

Just watched this anime...
...on Intel Arc.

>>106123264
If I were going for a budget build Id have considered Intel, but this time I decided not to cheap out.

>AMD SUX!!! FUCK AYYMDD, NO MARKET SHARE LEL!!!! GEFORCE FOR LYFEE!!!!!
>Gives AMD 700 dollars for a 9950x3d to pair with their 5090
>Probably buys a 300 dollar X870 mobo too
Kek are nvidiots really this fucking stupid or what? Keep buying top of the line ryzen processors to pair with your scamvidia card that's going to melt, you're making Mama Su very happy.

>>106123273
has some memory like the RAM on motherboard. not much but helps in some cases

nicotroon back with us again to dilate

>>106123293
>cheap out
Did just that and happy with purchase.

>>106123370
NVIDIA buyers buy the best parts, they’re not brand loyalist fanboys like you, lmao

Any chinkmice that clones the Razer Orochi shape?
Also since I'm a casualshitter, are the only "gaming" sensors I should care about are PAW3311 and PAW3395?

>>106123413
>brand loyalist
Nigger I used Nvidia cards from 2013 until last month. I have no loyalty to AMD.

Uh oh nvidia xisters first Oblivion Remaster, Stellar Blade, Cyberpunk and now this?! The next big release of the year is getting FSR 4 at launch? How are we going to cope and lie now that FSR 4 will never be in any games?

>>106123429
then why have you been in this thread for months spamming AMD fanboy garbage? You’re clearly a delusional loyalist

>>106123416
Sensors are basically a solved problem now, they are all going to be about the same. Unless you are an esports pro you won't be able to tell the difference between them. You can check here might be able to find ones that fit that shape. https://www.eloshapes.com/

>>106123391
>in some cases
Not some cases but all the time.
Thats why Crucial BX500 costs 20$ and MX500 costs 60+$. Cuz they much better.

>tech you dont have ahahah

>>106123071
https://youtu.be/jETsyNVJZ94?feature=shared

>>106123451
>all the time
that's a bunch of bullshit lol I have three SSDs, two have DRAM one doesn't. non issue for almost all of the time with some very rare exceptions

>>106123444
Damn that's an amazing site to compare mouse shapes
Found one in an instant

>>106122847
just....dont buy it then? theres plenty of choices out there, and loads of great cases. I don't recall anything weird or poetic about my antec flux pro when i assembled it in the packaging.

>>106123452
Crazy how he just throws shit around. Making me reconsider buying my parts online. Maybe I should just get it all from best buy.

>>106123499
shippers do the same shit when delivering the products to a store

>>106123499
It's like that all the way from the factory in China

>>106123444
How about mouse microswitches? Are those solved and no more double-click issues?

>>106123519
Yes optical switches or mice that have hotswappable switches or learning how to solder so you can fix them yourself

>>106123519
>double-click issues
How i hate this, even good million click switches suffers from it. You need to oil it.

>>106123527
you need to open it up and clean the dirt that gets in. they're guaranteed a million clicks in clean environments. still planned obsolescence as they could fully close them but they don't, they know gamers will fill them up with chips crumbs and hair and dust

>>106123264
Its all the boomer's fault for letting 3dfx go out of business and matrox exit the consumer business

I'm swapping my build to a new case and want to replace my air CPU cooler with an AIO, should I pick up a Montech hyperflow 360 or the Arctic 3 360 pro? The Arctic is $10.00 more expensive.

>>106119703 (OP)
Did I just waste $750 on a 5070ti when the supers are coming out soon?

>>106123905
nah, it's not bad.

>>106123914
Thank God

>>106123916
it's not great either. it's ... fine.

>>106123937
If it'll last me 5 years I'll be happy

>>106123905
no you're lucky you didn't drop $1200 on a 5080 16gb

>>106123900
the arctic III pro comes with really good fans but it suffers from a shitty mounting system

>>106123962
If I didn't find it for msrp I wouldn't have gotten it. I'm only worried I'll need more vram

>>106123978
that depends on the resolution you are playing your games at.

Does the 9060 XT not support vulkan 1.4?

>friend tells me he's buying an AMD gpu because "it still supports PhysX"
how do i tell him?

>>106124185
no fucking way

>>106124206
he's not very knowledgeable about computers and has been fooled by those RTX 50 NO PHYSX SO BAD youtube videos going around

>>106122480
I sold my house

>>106124185
tell him the amd rtx4000 lineup are the fastest ones with physx support

>>106123905
Soon™. And the benefit for this class is using it for AI purposes, so if its not your priority then you really didn't lose anything outside of some extreme outlier games that can breach 16GB, which is more a fault-case of an unoptimized game.

>>106124266
he doesn't even play any of those old games with physx in them, just valorant, league, and CS2

>>106124262
>I sold my house
average nvidia enjoyer

>>106121968
5060 is not worth the price, if 5060 Ti 16GB was 30% cheaper, it would be a good deal

>>106122208
https://www.logicalincrements.com/

>>106122480
>Where do you assholes get this money?
I could buy RTX5090 if I save up for 4 month. That's how I bought my first PC working in retail: it took me 8 months saving up.

But fuck that, I'm ready to spend 1 month salary on PC during 2 month, so 50% of monthly income, twice.

>>106122903
Asus AP201

>>106123025
>I was dreaming about computers and thought they would be a floating cube or something by now
They might be. Civilian technology is hand-me-downs from military, which is always 20+ years ahead.

>>106123264
NTA but I was considering Intel ARC B580 as alternative to used 4060, but they are simply hopelessly out of stock here.

it's over, qd-oled, I kneel, I can't take the woled pill, the desaturation will cuck me, the color volume
I will return to focusing on qdoled panels, I will wait until samsung releases a smaller monitor or take the giant tv pill, wait for 240hz on tv's
I can't take the cheap C4 pill, it's over
Samsung, you won

>>106123025
>cube
thats what modern smartphones pretty much are
just a smooth rectangle with almost no buttons and really advanced functionality

>>106123370
Behind every accusation is a confession

>>106124439
This. My chinaphone probably has more cores than my PC.

>>106124439
Yeah but they don't float

>>106123051
Don’t pity them. They could have done better in school if they had wanted to make something of themselves.
Just be friendly / polite.
Also: If you don’t order, their job is in danger.

>>106124401
aren't they still using floppies?

>>106124459
Sorry anon, DARPA & USAF decided to go full denial on electrogravitics. If technology doesn't exist, Chinese can't steal it!

>>106124469
Floppies are the easiest to destroy in emergency. Easier than paper, even.

>>106124462
>Also: If you don’t order, their job is in danger.
I never understood people that want to dissolve jobs that are shitty. they'd rather let the workers starve, for their own good. it's insane. especially valid for third world shitjobs

>>106124469
their computers are outdated but its the beyond top secret technologies they have that are 20+ years ahead of civilian tech

>>106123470
hey zaopin is pretty good

>>106119703 (OP)
>Google+ Was a mistake wasn't it?

about to buy gigabyte rx9070xt gaming, they did fix the leaky goo right? worth paying $25 more for an aorus version? anything non-gigabyte is in the 5070ti price range

>>106124575
yeah they changed the goo in later batches of gpus
i'd say its worth it since the gaming oc is very mediocre and the aorus elite seems to use bigger better fans

>>106124550
doubt they have AGI. that will come from some corporation not some skunkworks shit

>>106124594
i'll have 2-3 fans blowing into it through the case bottom, doubt there will be much difference in thermals

>>106124481
Exactly. Sure, I would like to see their working conditions improved, but me taking away their income entirely will not lead to that at all.

This deepcool is so loud under full load. Worthy of a company that has named itself WIND GOD OF THE NINE PROVINCES!

>>106121774
>ASUS TUF Gaming B850-PLUS WIFI
This board has an ALC1220. How good is that? My current one is 10 years old

>>106124741
pretty good, the board is also good

>>106124748
The thing is my router doesn't support wifi 7 for now. What else does this board offer more compared to the 650s? Cause when it comes to motherboards, I'm not really sure what to look for

>>106124774
B850 guarantees one gen5 m.2. nvme slot over b650, which may or may not have it

Is the KTC M27T6 really as good as it sounds?

This doesn't happen on AMD, only on Nvidia.

r8 build
contemplating ordering Ryzen now and eating wallpapers for the rest of month
it's 200 Euros more expensive locally
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cpWwQd

My X370 motherboard is on its last legs. USBs have problems, shuts off when my cat jumps on my PC, doesn't resume from sleep (funny enough only under Windows is this a problem), resets CMOS 4 times a week, fails to post pretty often. I have a 5600X that I bought about 2 years ago that I'm happy enough with, and was hoping to stay on AM4 for 10 years, since I bought the motherboard in 2017 and i thought it would be kinda funny
Is it worth buying another AM4 board, or should I just get a new CPU, Mobo, ram, PSU, and also case because I'd like to move to a smaller form factor, like a lianli a3
I'd be keeping my 3070 either way, and would probably end up moving to am5 in a year or two anyway

>>106125033
My condolences about your AM4 motherboard, anon. I would say it doesn't make sense to get AM4 in 2025, just go B650 + Ryzen 5 9600x

What is my best GPU choice if I don't want 12V connectors?

>>106125049
9070 XT has 2x8 pin connectors

>>106125056
funnily enough sapphire uses a 12v connector in some of their 9070xt versions

How important is a PCIe 5.0 slot if you buy an AM5 board now? Would it make sense to buy one without PCIe 5.0?

>>106125049
ARC A750

>>106125074
Isn't B850 support for PCIe 5.0 comes from 7000 & 9000 CPUs anyway?

>>106125045
thanks anon, that's probably the best bet
heres the build list i put together planning for it, just hesitant to drop 900 bucks for what seems like will be a pretty marginal performance increase
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YQ2ydb

Is AMD Ryzen 5 7500F with an RTX 4070 Super okay? Would I experience this phenomenon called "bottleneck"?

>>106125099
Well what can you do if your hardware is dying?
I would get 6000M/T CL30 memory for AM5 instead, unless one you chose is cheaper. Looks solid otherwise.

>>106125093
I'm just looking at the cheapest boards with 5.0 (no ASrock) but almost nothing is available except for the Gigabyte B850M DS3H. I don't want to pay over 200 bucks for a mainboard with features that I will never use anyway

>>106125093
The desktop non g CPUs already support it but if the board is shoddily put together then it can't reliably provide a good signal for gen5.0 speeds and are capped to gen3/4

>>106122142
That blade tip clearance looks hella tight

>>106125113
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KCy8TW/gigabyte-b850m-gaming-x-wifi6e-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b850m-gaming-x-wifi6e
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B850M-GAMING-X-WIFI6E-rev-1x/sp#sp
Supports PCI-e 5.0 from 9000 & 7000 CPU, $120
though it is $200 where I live

>>106124986
>mr obvious
havent seen this nigga around in ages
people thought the opposition offed him due to his spicy political takes on youtubes

>>106124982
does not sound good to me

>>106124989
are you really buying mismatched kits?

>>106125074
>cant use gpu at full bandwidth
>cant use nvme gen5
could not be me

>>106121078
it's an almost 10 yo game, bro. will run on any potato

>>106125150
Thanks, it's 170 here because of WIFI I think. The other Gigabyte that I posted is 130.

>>106125171
>are you really buying mismatched kits?
Are you really implying they're 100% going to be mismatched?

>>106125068
they come with a dongle in case your PSU is older

>>106125179
nta but mismatched is just what we call separate kits. Not as bad as it could be, eg. different brand/speed/ICs, but unless you have the batch #s in hand you have to assume they're are mismatched. Maybe "unmatched" would be a better term.

>>106125210
i know, just weird they decided to port that nvidia feature to a red card

>>106125221
cuz it can do more power. 600w vs 525w. it matters for overclockers but for stock the thing will barely draw 300w.

>>106125179
kits are binned and tested together to work so seems to be a stupid thing to do unless you know exactly what you are doing

asus prime vs gigabyte 9070xt?

Sirs, is Lian Li Lancool 207 Black Digital a good casing?

>>106125249
There's not a huge difference between full mesh cases in practical use. If you like the looks/price and it fits all your stuff go for it.

>>106125247
>https://youtu.be/4bvT5XvG65Y?t=1352
both are nearly the same

>>106125241
seems to be a marketing ploy
>>106125216
>but unless you have the batch #s in hand
yes I can manhandle them before purchase

>>106125305
then its really easy to match them yourself
just make sure the four letters underlined in picrel are the same for both sticks

>>106125321
got it, thanks

>>106125305
>seems to be a marketing ploy
Bit of both really. Effectively you pay a small premium for testing+warranty and that premium is seldom worth saving. The marginal cost of binning a kit together is extremely low. Of course if you know what you're doing and the cost diff. is high in your region then feel free to buy unmatched.

isn't 990 EVO PLUS better than SN7100?
because I see them at the same price

>>106125305
>seems to be a marketing ploy
it's not since they wont cover warranty or xmp/oc settings if it does not work
plus manufactureres mix and match memory chips
plus ddr5 is even more unstable than ddr4
so what is the point
don't even save any money at all either

fuck all this nonsense talk about ddr5 and ddr4 speed.
I just watched a bunch of benchmarks where most of the time ddr4 3600 had the same or only slightly less fps than ddr5 6000
sure some games had like 10% more fps but the majority had the same fps.
so 4x32gb is the way to go.
If I really wanna go all out I just have to remove 2 sticks and get the buff.

>>106125629
ddr4 has not beaten ddr5 for a while now
ddr4 might be fine to reach optimal performance in esports still but that ddr5 bandwidth or whatever fuckery is kicking in
ddr4 has been dead for a while now
and to even make this comparison you would be on older intel
>so 4x32gb is the way to go.
no
>If I really wanna go all out I just have to remove 2 sticks and get the buff.
lmao

>>106125629
ddr5 3600 isnt ddr4 3600

Does any other component influence AI image and video generation speeds/quality other than GPU?

Can I get away with an AM4 DDR4 rig but a 50 series RTX GPU?

>>106125648
what's your point?

>>106125682
>ddr4 3600 is about the same as ddr5 6000
>so i will go full retard and run ddr5 3600 until i regret it

>>106125660
it depends if you get a 5090 you have enough vram for the most models.
but they keep getting bigger so you will also need ram in the future since they will not fit in your vram
so if you're getting a 5090 you're fine with slow ram for now.
if you're getting anything that isn't a 5090 you need fast ram.

>>106125629
yes there's currently not much difference in gaming between DDR4 3600 CL16 and DDR5 6000 CL30
that is, CURRENTLY and IN GAMING
people that are upgrading their PC now, probably are upgrading volume of RAM too
It makes no sense to buy more DDR4 in 2025, and AM5, the premiere gaming platform in #currentyear, only supports DDR5 anyway

So DDR5 is the way to go:
if you are upgrading to AM5
or
if you are upgrading volume from 2x8 or 2x16 gb DDR4 to 2x16 or 2x32 gb DDR5

I have contemplated staying on DDR4 since I have 32GB 3600 CL16, but there's just not enough price difference to justify it
Motherboards with decent features that I want are all DDR5

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>>106119703 (OP)
>budget 350GBP
>use case just a computer for the woman to use for light photoshop and general browsing
>location UK
I can get a used case for free in any format.