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>>106129778
I'm making a post-install setup script for Fedora KDE that:
>enables RPMFusion
>installs codecs
>offers to install NVIDIA drivers, Steam, Discord, and DaVinci Helper
>offers to install OBS preconfigured to work with global hotkeys + makes it a background process on startup (like ShadowPlay on Windows)
>offers to fix LibreOffice's Qt bugs by adding a gtk3 environment variable + removes the stupid notebookbar shortcuts from the Ribbon interface
>makes Firefox use the Plasma filepicker instead of the GTK one
>recommends some tweaks for Firefox (enabling middle-click scrolling, Ctrl+Number to switch tabs, etc)
>guides Windowsnoobs to import their Chrome synced data into another browser, then uninstalls Chrome
I could theoretically release it today, but are there any other other defaults (in applications or even Plasma itself) that you guys would like to see?
>>106149120 (OP)Ya'll remember this:
>>106149188Will it be interactive or just run & done?
>>106149120 (OP)Is there a higher res of this picture?
>>106149188>Offers to install Nvidia driversWhat about mesa? In fedora the mesa drivers are the "non-free" kind. Should you add the non-free ones?
Also, DaVinci? Are you trying to mimick Nobara?
Furthermore, if you check
>>106147547 I fixed a problem I had in fedora with corectrl. Don't know how much of a usecase it's, but if I had this problem, maybe more people would. You could at least mention it as a kind warning.
Otherwise, pretty good setup.
>>106149221A mixture. At the moment, the following are completely automated without any user input at all:
>Enabling RPMFusion>Installing codecs>Debloating the LibreOffice UI>Making Firefox use the Plasma filepickerFor something like OBS, the user will be asked if they want to install it with global hotkeys preconfigured; if no, then OBS won't be installed at all. And if they wish to install it with global hotkeys preconfigured, then they will be additionally asked if they'd like it to launch in the background on startup.
>>106149356>What about mesa? In fedora the mesa drivers are the "non-free" kind. Should you add the non-free ones?I'll have to look into that, thanks. I admittedly haven't done much research about Radeon on Linux since I have an NVIDIA card myself.
>>106149369How many people use OBS anyway, and for what?
This is a genuine question. I game a lot, and never had to use it. Just curious.
>>106149188you've just reinvented bazzite and nobara, anon.
>>106149356>corectrlisn't this abandonware? It won't work on any newer gpus. There's a couple of alternatives to it but I forgot what they're called (they're listed in corectrl readme I think)
But yes, mesa would be a requirement. There's some shit that just doesn't work on AMD/Intel on Fedora because of their autism.
>>106149412OBS is what people that stream on Twitch use.
>>106149412That video itself wouldn't be possible without a screen recorder :p
>>106149419>reinvented bazzite and nobaraOnly this time it's better!
>>106149412>How many people use OBS anywaypractically everyone who streams or records gameplay
>>106149412I used OBS for making clips in the past, but honestly for making just clips of the desktop the KDE built in video recorder seems far more convenient.
I think you need OBS to stream though.
>>106149419He's doing stuff on Fedora KDE edition which is substantially better than at least Bazzite. Dunno about Nobara, but I don't think the Discover app works correctly in Nobara either.
>>106149429>Fedora KDE edition which is substantially better than at least BazziteHard disagree. Fedora Kinoite is better than Fedora KDE.
>>106149429>Dunno about NobaraI've made this script specifically because of how disappointed I was in Nobara. As you said, Discover doesn't work correctly, and as a matter of fact even dnf doesn't work correctly. Nobara is just not a serious operating system.
>>106149439Immutableish sucks. Absolutely miserable to use if you're not a simple Steam Gaymer who does nothing but run games and web browser.
>>106149356>In fedora the mesa drivers are the "non-free" kind. Should you add the non-free ones?I thought AMD drivers were totally open source on Linux?
>>106149419>Isnt this abandonware? Wow, really? I didn't know it. I'm using a 6700XT, so don't know if that counts as "old".
>>106149424>>106149426>>106149428Yeah, I know it's used as a screen recorded for streaming and such, but what percentage of people really use it. Is it really worth the pain of scripting something for a thing only 10% uses? I think that if you wanna stream, at least, you should learn how to set it up, because when something (inevitable) breaks up, you know how to fix it.
>>106149485They are, but hardware video decoding isn't libre enough for RedHat legal.
>>106149493>Is it really worth the pain of scripting something for a thing only 10% uses?I use it, and found it trivial to script up, so why not?
>>106149485I thought so too. But apparently there are some non-free drivers. Don't know it they are worth installing it, but better be safe than sorry, especially in fedora.
https://github.com/mesa-freeworld
Apparently they're no longer maintained...
I don't know, I've been using fedora (Linux I'm general) for a week and a half, so I'm kinda green yet.
>>106149457immutable is objectively superior for the overwhelming majority of people, anon
>>106149493>don't know if that counts as "old".anything newer than RX 9000 won't work. doesn't matter how new it is today, the point is corectrl is abandonware and in 5-10 years it will be unusable unless you use an old GPU at that point. any existing bugs won't be fixed at all either. it's better to just switch to an alternative sooner than later.
>>106149073Maybe try uninstalling the flatpak then reinstall with
flatpak install prismatik_5.11.2.31.flatpak
Then run the flatpak from the command line to see if it shows any errors. Then you can google the errors.
>>106149568Windows is objectively superiour for the overwhelming majority of people but why would I care?
>>106149568>immutable is objectively superior for the overwhelming majority of peopleIf you tell the overwhelming majority of people that Flatpaks are slower, then the overwhelming majority of people will go for a mutable distro.
>>106149593>if you lie, people will do X!
>>106149599There is no such thing as free sandboxing. And Flatpaks tend to bundle in all the dependencies, increasing disk and RAM usage.
>>106149609>And Flatpaks tend to bundle in all the dependencies, increasing diskcompletely irrelevant unless you're on a device with a 2 digit amount of storage in GB.
>RAM>no such thing as free sandboxingI'm too lazy to do any benchmarks for these, but I'm not convinced that there's a relevant difference here
The only drawback of flatpaks that a user would "feel" is the fact that flatpaks tend to open one or two seconds slower compared to native software
>>106149755>completely irrelevantThe moment you say there's no use case for optimisation, you get Windows.
>>106149369Looks pretty cool. Good job, anon.
How do you guys handle botnet like Steam? I want to play some select games with kernel anticheats without exposing access to my local file/networking. Ideally same should apply to all games/steam itself. Some sort of passthrough containers?
I'm confused about the difference between libva-intel-driver and intel-media-driver.
>>106149967Me too. I might google it later, butt I don't know.
>>106149960Bruh why do you care about the kernel in your game specific proton container getting infected with kernel level anti-cheat? That's some weird shit dude.
>>106150025how does steam with proton work? spins up container that mimics the kernel for each game?
can you use it for non kernel games? i dont want random ass games (kernel or not) to have anything to do with my local environment. same goes for steam itself
>>106149787>there's no use case for optimisationIn a lot of cases optimization really is pointless. It's just a slippery slope and you will never have a universal agreement on what's the minimum amount of optimization needed. At the end of the day you'd end up arguing that nobody should use anything that's not suckless or does not follow the suckless philosophy. When in reality user choice has proven that optimization, at least one which you claim is lacking in universal packaging formats, is irrelevant.
In any case, most people really do value the benefits of "universal" formats compared to "native" ones and they consider a slightly larger but still insignificant storage consumption a good trade off.
At least compared to Appimage, Flatpak actually does share runtimes and some large libraries. Even in the worst case scenario, if you install 100-200 Flatpaks (which is a number far greater than the number of apps an average person would have) you'd just use 10GB-15GB more storage compared to native packages. While the benefit is compatibility and platform stability, and the benefit is felt by both the end user and the developer.
I mean, even Android apps don't share most libraries between each other and yet phones are completely usable even when they only have 64GB to 128GB of internal storage. And you also have to consider the fact that a lot of libraries are just never shared between software anyways. For example, anything Electron-based is shipping it's own Blink engine. Most software UIs are not written with a universal and system-wide UI toolkit. Many 3rd party libraries are often injected into the actual end-user application/binary instead of using system-available libraries.
So yeah, unless you're literally on a device with 64GB or less storage you will never have to worry even if all you ever use are Appimages which are even bigger storage hogs than Flatpaks.
>>106150050Yes it spins up a container for each game, I don't know the extent of sandboxing because I don't care. What I can say, though, is that Windows software isn't going to install into the Linux kernel lmao.
>>106149960>kernel-level anti-cheatMost games with KLAC don't work on Linux. The ones that do run with disabled KLAC.
>passthrough containersThe safest thing you can do is use virtual machines. But you need to set up GPU passthrough and maybe LookingGlass for convenience.
>>106150050>i dont want random ass games (kernel or not) to have anything to do with my local environmentI'm pretty sure any game you launch even through Proton will be able to access your user directory. Many Steam games shit up their config files somewhere in your home directory because Proton prefixes will link to it and pretend it's your Windows User Folder.
I think the only exception is if you use the Flatpak version of Steam and you manually block it's access to your /home. Same with stuff like Bottles. You have to manually block Bottles flatpak from accessing your /home.
>>106149369Added AMD and Intel GPU's; even though their drivers come out of the box, the better encoding/decoding tech is still on RPMFusion. I also had the OBS setup check which GPU vendor you selected so that it'll default to NVENC, QSV, or AMF.
As for older NVIDIA cards, there's a LOT of different drivers. I imagine the people intentionally using a GTX 260 in 2025 (on Linux no less) are tinkerers performing some kind of experiment. I'm open to having the setup install these ancient drivers if there's interest, but know that they probably ain't gonna work with Wayland.
>>106149120 (OP)anyone else here pissy that linus wont pull bcachefs for 6.17?
>>106150784Not really. btrfs will have fully working parity RAID before Overstreet gets his shit together.
>>106150879ass, i bcachefs is running okay now and i do really like the writeback caching.
>>106150784I honestly don't care, I'm a normal person who uses whatever file system the distro installer selects by default. Which currently is btrfs.
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Anyone has experience with Macaroni OS?
>>106150930i have no problem with you enjoying an unresponsive desktop during big deletes caused by qgroup metadata updates, block tree updates and extent unreferencing.
you do you.
>>106150943>A fork of a fork of GentooI've seen not one person in here ever talk about MacaroniOS.
>>106149188Do you use Firefox from Fedora's repos, or from Flathub? The Flathub version seems to get updated quicker because it's published by Mozilla themselves. Maybe the short time difference doesn't matter to a lot of people though.
>>106151012You should know Gentoo is basically a shell of its former self with Google's grimy tentacles all over it, and Funtoo basically died. Macaroni is the real Gentoo nowadays.
Names mean nothing. The soul is eternal.
>>106151012It's not just "a fork of a fork".
https://www.macaronios.org/docs/story/
>ERROR: [requests] Unexpected error: EOFError: 1 bytes missing; please report this issue on https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues?q= , filling out the appropriate issue template. Confirm you are on the latest version using yt-dlp -U
What does that mean??
I've updated everything.
>>106151020Fedora KDE does not come with any Flatpaks based on a quick flatpak list, so the Firefox used will be straight from the Fedora repos.
Speaking of Flatpaks, would you guys like to see a Bottles prompt?
>>106150978>unresponsive desktop during big deletesI'm using a cheap ass laptop with btrfs and it works fine, anon.
>>106151020I would honestly never use a non-Fedora app from Fedora's repos. So, when it comes to Firefox I'd always pick Flathub.
>>106151020>Maybe the short time difference doesn't matter to a lot of people though.This is often the case.
>>106150428You can run kernel level anti-cheat on Linux just fine, the problem is that it's not actually kernel level because you're infecting the fake Windows kernel not the real Linux one.
>>106151224>I would honestly never use a non-Fedora app from Fedora's reposThat's 99% of the contents and then you have to trust in the flatpak packagers instead
>>106151147>would you guys like to see a Bottles prompt?If your script already has Steam (and by extension Proton) then you've already all the Windows compatibility most users will ever need. Aside from games, what really isn't on Linux?
>premiere and vegasDavinci Resolve is on Linux
>photoshopGimp
>MS OfficeLibreoffice, plus you can use Office in a browser
>>106149193>nvtop>nonfree
I always connect my controller on the back, directly on the board, to avoid having cables hanging around my desk. For some reason, on arch, the controller periodically connects and disconnects itself. It works fine if I use the front panel, though. I've tried disabling the usb autosuspend with limine, but it keeps happening.
How do I install software to an external drive?
What does pyside2 and shiboken2 packages do or what packaged installed it?
I've updated an old arch install and surprisingly nothing broke.
These two packages still fail to build though along side python-future too.
>>106151633Why you want that?
What's the use case?
>>106151666Some QT toolkits? idk what they do.
>>106151679>use caseran out of space
>>106151691I'm running xfce?
How to track what package installed it?
>>106151746What's your lsblk look like.
>>106151319>That's 99% of the contentYes
>you have to trust in the flatpak packagers insteadI trust them, sure.
>>106151633Sure you can. You can simply use Appimages and keep them in your external drive.
Or, if you're using flatpaks (the current standard format for GUI software) here's the steps:
1. Make a directory in your external drive, for example call it "flatpak".
2. Then, in terminal:
sudo mkdir -p /etc/flatpak/installations.d
sudo nano /etc/flatpak/installations.d/external.conf
(or use a real text editor instead of nano)
3. write this into the file:
[Installation "external"]
Path=/run/media/your_user_name/your_disk_name/flatpak
DisplayName=External Drive
StorageType=harddisk
(Path would be your actual path to the disk and a directory in it)
4. in terminal:
flatpak --installation=external remote-add flathub https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo
5. Done (I think)
Now when you install flatpaks you'll be prompted where to install them. If for some reason your GUI app store doesn't ask you where to install, and/or if your terminal for some reason doesn't ask you where to install, then you can just install flatpaks to a specified location manually:
flatpak --installation=external install flathub some.flatpak.app
why does my tumbleweed crash if i uninstall the google fonts (noto-sans). i want to use good fonts instead
>>106151997Just keep in mind that flatpak dependencies might be duplicated between your "system" and your "external" installs. It's just how flatpak is designed, since these are technically different installation environments which are meant to be independent.
So, if you have one app in your main drive that uses KDE6 as a dependency, and one in your external drive that does the same, you'll have 2 instances of KDE6. Your external drive will, at a base level, contain 1-2GB of duplicated dependencies, plus 1-6GB more depending on how many apps you're installing.
If this is too much wasted storage for you, you can look into using symlinks instead. For example, install a flatpak onto your main drive, then move it to your external drive, then create a symlink in place of the main drive's installation directory so that it points to the app directory in the external drive. This will allow you to use only 1 installation environment (and save 2-8GB of external storage), but it would require you to do manual work each time you install something.
>>106151763if you look at the arch repo, those packages no longer exists. You have pyside6 and shiboken6. I assume those were installed by something that used qt2? Based on filenames.
>>106149120 (OP)Are there any guides on how to set up debian for gaming? I'm thinking of updating kernel to 6.13 atleast.
>>106152242Install your graphics driver if you don't have it already, then install Steam and play video games.
>>106152242>debian>gamingIt's not really a distro suitable for gaming. Except maybe if you're using Debian Sid.
>>106149144>Wayland currently requires an output for the input devices to work.Other people already told you this isn't true but to go into more detail, it doesn't require an output, it requires a seat:
https://docs.voidlinux.org/config/session-management.html
This can also be virtual in the case of something like seatd with its library which may not necessarily show up in logind if you were doing something like I am where you have a headless Wayland compositor controlled via WayVNC (no real physical display at all).
>So why then does your input get disabled when your monitor disconnects?I would guess this is buggy behaviour from your Wayland compositor or Systemd that is somehow locking or disabling the seat afterwards.
Anyone know what's up with Pycairo in Gentoo?
[ebuild R ] x11-libs/cairo-1.18.4-r1::gentoo USE="glib lzo -X* (-aqua) (-debug) -gtk-doc -test" 41,892 Ki
B
[ebuild U ] dev-python/pycairo-1.28.0::gentoo [1.27.0::gentoo] USE="-X% -debug -doc -examples -test" PYTHO
N_TARGETS="python3_11 python3_12 python3_13 python3_14%* -pypy3_11 -python3_13t% -python3_14t% (-pypy3%) (-pyth
on3_10%*)" 647 KiB
Total: 2 packages (1 upgrade, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 42,539 KiB
The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:
(see "package.use" in the portage(5) man page for more details)
# required by dev-python/pycairo-1.28.0::gentoo[-test]
# required by dev-python/pycairo (argument)
>=x11-libs/cairo-1.18.4-r1 -X
Can't remove the USE="-X" because it's forced on.
Force it anyway:
>/etc/portage/profile/package.use.mask/cairo
x11-libs/cairo X
Now there's predictably a bunch of dependency conflicts that want x11-libs/cairo[X] so you can't win either way.
I guess I will force it with --nodeps and if anything breaks I'll keep the pieces.
>>106153459I guess it's time to clean up the pieces. I tried to go Wayland only ages ago but it wasn't viable yet but should work now.
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=x11-libs/cairo-1.14[aqua?,glib,svg(+),X?,abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?]" have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- x11-libs/cairo-9999::gentoo (masked by: package.mask, missing keyword)
(dependency required by "x11-libs/gtk+-3.24.49-r1::gentoo" [installed])
(dependency required by "app-crypt/gcr-3.41.2-r1::gentoo[gtk]" [installed])
(dependency required by "gnome-base/gnome-keyring-46.2::gentoo" [installed])
(dependency required by "sys-auth/pambase-20250228-r1::gentoo[gnome-keyring]" [installed])
(dependency required by "sys-libs/pam-1.7.1::gentoo" [installed])
(dependency required by "net-print/cups-2.4.12::gentoo[pam]" [installed])
(dependency required by "app-text/ghostscript-gpl-10.05.1::gentoo[cups]" [installed])
(dependency required by "app-text/doxygen-1.14.0::gentoo" [installed])
(dependency required by "media-libs/libaom-9999::gentoo[doc]" [installed])
(dependency required by "media-libs/libavif-9999::gentoo" [installed])
(dependency required by "dev-python/pillow-11.3.0::gentoo[avif,-test]" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "dev-python/docutils-0.22::gentoo" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "dev-util/gdbus-codegen-2.84.3::gentoo" [installed])
(dependency required by "gnome-base/dconf-0.40.0::gentoo" [installed])
(dependency required by "dev-libs/glib-2.84.3::gentoo[dbus]" [installed])
(dependency required by "dev-lang/vala-0.56.18::gentoo" [installed])
For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
if im already using konsole is there a reason to switch to alacritty or kitty? don't really know what all these terminals do differently
>>106153572Nah, they're memes for rice-autists.
>>106153572Sure, but you're supposed to know the reason. Look at what features those offer and figure out if you care.
>>106152217Yes, it's from the AUR.
And you're right, I have the pyside6 and shiboken6.
I guess it was installed along side something that required it to run kde application?
What about python-future?
>>106153572No. If you're using a competent distro you'll rarely if ever open your terminal anyways, unless you're a dev or tinkerer. And even then, there's very little benefit in switching.
>>106153572alacritty and kitty tend to be things those on window managers user due to them being more desktop environment agnostic
https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/konsole/
https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/kitty/
look at the package dependencies to see what i mean (even if you don't use arch this still applies)
you can try them if you want to, but if you're happy with what you have you're not missing out on anything
On DWM, is there anyway to, instead of changing the border colour, change it to display an image? Kinda like with border-image in css? If not, are there any possible workarounds or other tiling window managers that do support this?
I'm currently on Windows, so I can't test any of it myself, currently. I'm just wondering.
>>106153510Now I need to cleanup GTK2 and Qt 5. I'd be in favour of masking both globally to get it off of people's systems but I know that's drastic.
>>106154078Also, there's this, it looks wrong. ibus shouldn't still require X11 with GTK4?
emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "gui-libs/gtk:4[X,wayland?]".
(dependency required by "app-i18n/ibus-1.5.31-r1::gentoo" [installed])
I don't think anyone's really testing Gentoo without X11 support (except for the bare-minimum needed by XWayland in my case).
>>106154120Never mind, apparently it does:
ibusimcontext.c:1661:9: error: implicit declaration of function 'GDK_IS_X11_DISPLAY'; did you mean 'GDK_IS_DISPLAY'? [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
1661 | if (GDK_IS_X11_DISPLAY (display)) {
| ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| GDK_IS_DISPLAY
ibusimcontext.c:1664:9: error: unknown type name 'Window'; did you mean 'GtkWindow'?
1664 | Window child;
| ^~~~~~
| GtkWindow
ibusimcontext.c:1668:9: error: implicit declaration of function 'XTranslateCoordinates' [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
1668 | XTranslateCoordinates (GDK_DISPLAY_XDISPLAY (display),
| ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ibusimcontext.c:1668:32: error: implicit declaration of function 'GDK_DISPLAY_XDISPLAY'; did you mean 'GDK_IS_DISPLAY'? [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
1668 | XTranslateCoordinates (GDK_DISPLAY_XDISPLAY (display),
| ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| GDK_IS_DISPLAY
ibusimcontext.c:1669:32: error: implicit declaration of function 'GDK_SURFACE_XID'; did you mean 'GDK_SURFACE'? [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
1669 | GDK_SURFACE_XID (surface),
| ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| GDK_SURFACE
ibusimcontext.c:1670:32: error: implicit declaration of function 'gdk_x11_display_get_xrootwindow' [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
1670 | gdk_x11_display_get_xrootwindow (display),
I guess I will finally switch to fcitx. Someone from Red Hat that actually cares about the desktop needs to give the ibus guys some money or hire more developers to fix this shit.
I thought hyprland was for ricetards only, but this shit is pretty comfy if you can find some sensible config to avoid any tinkering
>>106154211>if you can find some sensible config to avoid any tinkeringbig if.
>>106149568>>106149493Btw, just checked CoreCtrl. This thing is not abandoware: https://gitlab.com/corectrl/corectrl/-/releases
Last release was 3 months ago. Why did you think it was?
>>106150713ASCII art a little bit too big, otherwise, keep up the good work!
>>106154409CachyOS comes with some nice and clean dotfiles
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>>106154534>no new features or hardware support will be added
>>106154667better than upstream, but still has a lot of things I wouldn't want.
rofi vs. wofi, which one is better?
Why do I have shitty WiFi connection when on linux compared to windows?
Testing show I'm doing 100kb/sec while I should be reaching at least 1-2 mb/sec.
How to troubleshoot this?
Yes, I don't have the best network setup and the adapter is using 2.4, but I was getting minimum of 1.5 mb/sec before the latest arch update to the kernel.
Dinit seems to be a cool init system. I wonder why it's not more widespread as a systemD.
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Hey guys, I asked in the last thread but I lost it. But I’m looking to switch over to Linux, or at least dual boot. I’m not super experienced with Linux but I’m not afraid of learning it and am tech comfortable. I would like to have a distro that can play games (doesn’t have to be super modern), emulation and general usage. Ryzen 7700 + 6700xt. Any suggestions for a distro? I see bazzite, cachy, and mint mentioned often.
>>106154895Try the lts kernel
>>106154895Because drivers / hardware for wireless cards are absolute dogshit. There's like one or two good wireless cards that work well with Linux.
>>106154895try to install wireless-regdb if you don't have it, or roll back your kernel
>>106155181i quite like cachyos and anything like arch in general, it's great
>>106155181Choose what you like the look of. I'm an Ubuntu pleb because it just works for me. Sure, Mint is a viable choice too. I've heard Bazzite is alright for gamers.
>>106155534Does it mostly just kinda boil down to personal preference of a distro? I see that a lot to choose whatever you like most. I just didn’t know how drastically different they might be.
>>106154895I have a Wifi adapter that sometimes drops to similar speeds but is usually capable of a few hundred megs a second. I've found unplugging it and plugging it back in fixes it, but there is probably some way to do that from terminal. I'm guessing some days I'll wake up my PC from sleep and the adapter will switch to some low power mode.
As weird as it sounds I've heard nearby USB3 cables can mess with Wifi and bluetooth adapters.
if i just want to run some media server stuff in containers would i be better off learning docker or podman?
>>106155552biggest changes between distros
>update policySome distros will not offer major software updates within their life cycle (life cycle can range from 6 months to a couple of years). This is often the case with point release distros. others will pick and choose depending on their importance.
By major updates, I mean v1->v2 and not v1.1->v1.2, the latter is not an issue
Rolling release distros dont have a schedule so they dont have such limitation but you have to be mindful of the breaking changes the application themselves could introduce. For example a plugin doesnt work after an update, but could this could be applied to programs depending on other programs
>kernel updatessimilar to the above, some will serve relatively fresh kernels while others stick to LTS ones
Do keep in mind that the closer you are to the fresh stuff the higher the chances of getting hit with a new bug (like the new btrfs bug for any updooter who wants to claim otherwise)
>preinstalled software>default configsRecently there's been mutable(the traditional experience) vs immutable as well. Its harder to fuck up with an immutable one but it also behaves like phone in the sense that you cant easily modify system related stuff
>>106155181Whatever you do, don't choose any of the "meme" distros, like Nobara or bazzite. I guess you want your os to be functional, besides running games. If so, choose something that actually works.
CachyOS has a great foundation (arch), fedora is alright, and if you want something more stable in general, Mint.
>>106156710>>106156764Thank you both for your input. I think I am stuck between Mint and Cachy. I have tried the LiveUSB versions of both. They seem nice but I wonder how limited the usb image is… mouse felt a bit slow, weird small things like that. I assume a real install fixes those things. If they both do everything I want then I’ll have to make a decision.
Also thanks for the meme distro warning. I see them getting recommended all the time and was hoping I’d get some better feedback here on them.
>>106156823Mouse being slow I don't think is normal, I haven't seen that happen in any live image so far.
>>106156926Oh really? Hmm.. yeah I ended up turning my sensitivity all the way up, and disabled mouse acceleration. Still felt much slower than my Win10 drive. Slow as in, I had to physically move my mouse longer distances to get the cursor to move across the screen. Not really "lag" if that makes sense.
Being somewhat of an outsider to Linux, honestly the most daunting thing so far is choosing the "right" distro
>>106157373It was pretty easy for me because of personal policies. There's a gorillon of them but if you notice most of them say "based on..." which, to me, is just introducing a middleman, so in the end the options were like 4 or 5 of the major distros. There's a couple of actually independent ones but they have specific use cases and arent meant for the casual user.
Out of those i just sorted by update policy(Arch>openSUSE>fedora>ubuntu>debian) and picked from there.
are ivan-hc appimages trustworthy? i love bottles, but I think that in this case, flatpak isolation is more of an issue than a feature
>>106157560Do you mind if I ask what you like to run currently? I am just open minded to ideas, not really stuck on anything in particular. Sorry if I am asking too much... just really want to learn this shit and get off windows.
Thinking about getting a Linux phone. Which phone should I buy that is easiest to put Droidian on? And how hard would it be to install Lumiri or Plasma Mobile to it?
>>106157373Oh you meant the actual mouse speed wasn't to your preferences rather than something actually being messed up. Since you said you assume it would be fixed in an install I thought it was something actually weird. You can change settings in live installations. Depending on how they are set up, you might even be able to install new software.
If you're used to Windows, just pick something with KDE or Mint. If you want everything to be GUI based you'll need to pick something like Mint or Fedora. CachyOS, Endeavour, Arch, etc require command line to use effectively. Some more so than others. You can test many different distros pretty easy using a Ventoy USB stick.
Personally I installed Arch like 13 years ago and used it for a month before going back to Windows and now I can't use anything else. I feel compelled to install that every time.
>>106155762Learn docker and deploy podman when possible. In most simple use cases you can just substitute the docker command for podman and it works.
>>106157671Thank you for replying anon. I guess I need to keep researching. I only trust anons I can't take advice from redditards.
>>106157764The best way is to ultimately try stuff. I tried all those distros I mentioned,Installed them, played some games, etc. I really liked some of them but also found massive shortcomings in others. Like take CachyOS for example, it detects what nvidia card you have and then installs a driver when you install it - but it doesn't install the drivers using DKMS, and for me not installing nvidia driver using DKMS is unacceptable. I also don't like some of the default settings.
Even as a total newbie, it shouldn't take too long to figure out what kind of stuff you enjoy and what you hate.
>>106157642I use fedora. Its the one with the most recent stuff while still being a point release distro. Some people dont like it because of its association with IBM but I dont care about any of that, there's a reason to hate all of them in the end. It has some quirks like having to go to the rpm fusion wiki to grab the media codecs to get hardware acceleration going and proprietary nvidia drivers but otherwise it's worked fine for me.
I've only used the i3 and sway spins so I dunno if the other spins or the main DEs have any quirks.
>>106157873>Some people dont like it because of its association with IBMIsn't RHEL the corpo distro?
>>106153510>>106154078>>106154120>>106154183Well that was a bad idea. It turns out binary builds of Firefox cannot even start without X11 support built into them even though they have perfectly usable Wayland support:
/var/tmp/portage/data/firefox/firefox
XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /var/tmp/portage/data/firefox/libxul.so:
/var/tmp/portage/data/firefox/libxul.so: undefined symbol: gdk_x11_display_get_xdisplay
Couldn't load XPCOM.
Now I wonder if this is Mozilla's fault or GTK's fault.
>>106158285It should be noted that my compiled copy of Firefox from Gentoo doesn't have this issue because X11 support is explicitly disabled there but I like to run the binary Mozilla builds to test nightly. I don't know why GTK doesn't load the X11 stuff dynamically with something like dlopen so it can still use a different backend.
Kind of an odd situation here but I figured you guys know best.
>Have come to hate W11 for numerous reasons
>PC is now just a glorified videogame console as doing virtually anything else is better on my Mac Mini
>Figure it might be worthwhile to see what Linux gaming is like
>Too many different distros and applications are being suggested, have legit analysis paralysis
I just need a linux distro that can let me play WoW comfortably. What would you recommend for an absolute beginner? Also, I'm willing to do my part and read through the OP as well as the links provided, I just want some suggestions and words of wisdom to keep in mind from the get go.
>>106158454I am a total noob so please take my advice with a grain of salt. But I read a lot about PikaOS and CachyOS. I hope someone else who knows what they are talking about can help though.
>>106158094It is, and red hat's parent is ibm. I don't have anything against that. The day they add telemetry or something I don't like is the day I flee and install gentoo.
>>106158454don't look at anything that isn't Fedora or Arch (derivatives are fine as long as they are not obscure and properly mantained)
Bazzite is a Fedora derivative that is meant for beginners like you, and it is a gaming-first distro with good support
>>106158454>have legit analysis paralysisJust go with Bazzite, it's immutable so it's hard to break, only downside is it uses flatpaks for everything so you're going to be using way more space than other normal distros
>WoWLast time I played it I ran battlenet through Lutris, it worked fine
gentoo
md5: 5f953b1db8523e0229875ec037b2407f
🔍
I literally can't use Arch anymore after seeing the fat guy in the logo. Can someone pill me on Gentoo?
>>106158948If something so silly can completely change your mind...
>>106158948It's an automated Linux From Scratch.
>>106158454There's only Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora and Arch. The rest are nonsense (for a casual user at least) or something that goes by different name but actually pulls stuff from their repositories.
You know like Mint actually pulls stuff from Ubuntu's repositories and Endeavour pulls stuff from Arch' repositories.
>>106158948it's LFS but with a package manager
>>106158948But thats the best part of arch. Or the tips fedora meme for, well, fedora.
>>106158995>There's only Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora and Arch. The rest are nonsense (for a casual user at least) or something that goes by different name but actually pulls stuff from their repositories.>You know like Mint actually pulls stuff from Ubuntu's repositories and Endeavour pulls stuff from Arch' repositories.Dogshit opinion.
Gentoo has its own repos, it isn't pulling shit from anywhere.
Slack is the OG and uses its own slackbuilds. A non-trivial amount of internet infraestructure runs on Slack because of how stable it is.
Debian and Fedora are good as they fulfill the role they set out to fulfill.
Arch is a meme and Ubuntu sold out and put spyware on its CDs. Flatpaks are shit.
>>106159033Slackware's only "feature" is to not have package management. And Arch has loads of use cases.
>>106159033>The rest are nonsense (for a casual user at least)he's right and nobody would or should suggest gentoo or slack to a newfag
>>106159044Slack's feature is stability. It's one of the most stable distros that exist. The KISS philosophy is not a defining feature, all the old distros used to be like that. They just stuck to it is all.
>>1061590541. His totalitarian statement was that all other distros are irrelevant. This is wrong.
2. Arch is no better for a newfag. People new to Linux shouldn't use bleeding edge distros. Mint or Debian are perfectly fine for what anon requested. Stop driving people away from Linux with your >I use Arch btw autism
>>106159082I don't even use arch.
>>106159140You are still giving people bad advice. You are suggesting a newbie to use bleeding edge distros like Fedora or Arch which is awful advice.
There's nothing wrong with Mint, nobody cares if it's downstream from Cuckbuntu.
>>106159156>use bleeding edge distros like Fedora or Arch which is awful advice.Nope, it is not, and sometimes even required (cause they have new hardware and need the latest support for it)
>>106159183>
Dude is new to Linux and wants to use it to play WOW. Seriously, rope yourself.
>>106159191and a few days ago we had someone who couldn't get more than a blackscreen because all the distros he tried had too old kernels.
>>106159217Mint OOTB support is one of the best out there.
He doesn't need bleeding edge and potentially system breaking updates that will make him uninstall.
>>106159230He needs at least kernel 6.12 for his gpu, better 6.14 to iron out some iffys.
Good luck getting that on a non rolling distro.
>>106159243GNU+Linux Mint just keeps on winning. ;^)
>>106159243>He needs at least kernel 6.12 for his gpulol no he doesn't. If his system is supported any additional performance gains will be minimal. Dude just wants to play WoW.
It will be more of an inconvenience when he forgets to update his system 4 months down the line, types pacman -Syu and breaks it.
Doubling down on your retardation is not gonna convince anyone here.
>>106154895you've been Arch'd
>>106155181>>106156823Bazzite, anon. It's the best/easiest of the ones you've mentioned.
It's infinitely less of a "meme distro" than CachyOS.
>>106158454WoW works on anything, anon. It's pretty much a solved game when it comes to compatibility, or at least the 3.3.5a version is. I'm not sure about retail.
Pick whatever you feel is the best, but the easiest one to use for an absolute beginner would be Bazzite.
>>106159033>>106159082He's correct in Gentoo and Slackware being irrelevant. Arch at least has some distros which are easy to use for less technical people, and it's over 100x more popular than Slackware and Gentoo combined.
>>106159156>suggesting a newbie to use bleeding edge distros like Fedora or Arch which is awful advice.It's objectively better to use bleeding edge distros than LTS ones like Mint. Most people prefer having an updated system with up-to-date software compared to one where if something doesn't work it just simply won't work for the next 2 years.
>>106159298>It will be more of an inconvenience when he forgets to update his system 4 months down the line, types pacman -Syu and breaks it.And that's exactly why multiple people recommended Bazzite. Fedora Atomic distros are the least likely to break when updating the system, no matter how far behind updates you are.
Not to mention that distros like Ubuntu (which Mint is based on) are commonly breaking after performing a major upgrade. The anon would face the same issue you're describing on Ubuntu as well.
>>106159391This is horseshit, feel free to disregard.
examples:
>won't work for the next 2 years>distros like Ubuntu are commonly breakingIgnorance abounds when it comes to computing and /v/tards
>>106158454Get a separate drive if you don’t have one already.
Unplug windows drive. Plug in the linux drive for the install.
Install Arch. You can do it the hard way or the easy way, doesn’t really matter. Bonus points if you look through install scripts on github to peek neat tricks you can do.
But really, since you have analysis paralysis the best way to break that would be live analysis of a live install.
So go through the arch installation and wiki every term you come across (not that many, probably far less than your WoW jargon in total)
Learn pacman, probably also yay at some point.
Install KDE, Gnome, hyprland, xfce, whichever Desktop Environment peaks your interest. (You can switch them all out whenever from the log in screen, then just uninstall the ones you don’t like. So whichever you pick first doesn’t really matter other than it werkz.)
After your DE is set up it’s just a matter of installing the software you want.
A web browser and Lutris would probably be your first steps to getting your WoW going.
GL anon.
If you have Nvidia, expect pain. You’re just a second class citizen unfortunately.
Also you probably want to keep that windows drive. Because juggling old key data from it to your linux setup will save you a ton of time, you just don’t know it yet.
the linux ntfs driver keeps freaking out about windows mount points, i guess it can't recognize windows object namespace paths as valid paths
which would be fine if it just treated them as symlinks pointing at unresolvable paths but it treats them as like corrupted and filesystem operations fail on them
they clearly have a value, and at least something is able to read it, every time any filesystem function goes near them dmesg gets spammed by error messages that contain the actual value
is there like any way to do like a raw read symlink that doesn't try to resolve it?
or even just a raw binary read (i think the binary format of reparse points is documented somewhere) that bypasses the filesystem?
should i just parse dmesg's output?
trying to write something to map the windows mounts to their current mount points
>>106159416>distros like Ubuntu are commonly breakingThis is true. They only test LTS->LTS upgrades and even those will break if you add any PPAs (which you need unless you're content with having an outdated system).
After 2 years of Arch, I grabbed an old laptop and installed OpenSuse on it.
Installation was pretty easy and guided, YAST makes most of the annoying stuff like managing grub etc easier to do.. fstab is auto-generated.
Put KDE on it and its pretty much like Arch but with less hassle. Am I missing anything?
opi is very cool and handy, plus zypper makes more sense to type commands with.
I game a lot on my main arch machine, I wonder how OpenSuse handles that.
>>106159563Make sure your shit is up-to-date:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-NTFS3-Correct-Symlinks
>>106159581i don't really know how other LTS distros do it but reputation of "stability" of debian/ubuntu style maintenance models never really made sense to me
never really used them outside of containers and vms so this is probably completely wrong but at a glance it seems like
>the devs who at best have minor experience working with a project from package maintenance pick an arbitrary package version>this to be considered "stable">the version chosen is completely disconnected from the actual project's stable release cadence>then security fixes from future versions are backhacked onto iti don't really see that resulting in a stable experience
>>106159298The anon who needed that kernel was a different anon, totally unrelated to the one wanting to play wow.
And that anon needed that kernel since his gpu needs it.
>>106159581>PPAs (which you need unless you're content with having an outdated system).No you don't. You can get more recent software from Flathub or Homebrew for example. A lot of the time on my Ubuntu machine though, I don't need the absolute latest software. I can use GIMP from the repos, I don't absolutely need the most recent version of it. But if I wanted a more recent version, it's on Flathub.
>>106159712>I game a lot on my main arch machine, I wonder how OpenSuse handles thatProvided the same kernel, graphics driver version and file system I don't think they should behave any differently
>nice, actually european distro that has a great looking KDE, btrfs snapshots and encryption by default
>gay flag on their subreddit
Arch/EndeavorOs it is.
>>106159826What was the distro?
>>106159838OpenSuse Tumbleweed
>>106159416>won't work for the next 2 yearsBy definition, yes. Mint is based on Ubuntu LTS. Almost every single package is frozen to a specific version number and doesn't get updated until the next LTS is released 2 years later.
A person installing Linux Mint near the end of the LTS lifetime will try to use an app, see it doesn't have features that were available for 1-2 years, and just call it dogshit and broken. Which is true, and a reason why distro maintainers shouldn't package software they're not directly involved with. And it's also a reason why flatpaks are increasingly becoming the standard way to install software, because without them distros like Mint/Ubuntu are completely unusable to a lot of people.
>distros like Ubuntu are commonly breakingBreaking every 6 months (or every 2 years if you're on LTS) is way too common on Ubuntu, yes. Ubuntu isn't for people who aren't already familiar with Linux. Ubuntu is only "stable when upgrading" if you don't even use it. Even on servers (where 99% of Ubuntu installations are done) people never do an upgrade and always perform a clean install.
>>106159723"stability" means that packages don't update, so that developers and sysadmins have a "stable" (read: non-updating) system which they can deploy. This just saves time constantly having to recompile server binaries, refactoring or re-configuring.
A distro being labeled as "stable" has nothing to do with lack of bugs, issues, performance, etc..
>>106159803>You can get more recent software from Flathub or Homebrew for exampleTrue, and flathub should be a default way to install GUI apps on these distros. But, it isn't. The distros are still wasting time compiling software into their own repos and defaulting to the effectively broken/outdated software.
The "each distro has it's own repos for all the software" model was never good.
>>106159840Heterosexual on my machine.
>>106159826>plebbityou have been infected with the gay already
>>106159718that's not going to fix the problem in question although i think that bug is the reason why the ntfs driver thinks mount points are corrupt symlinks
reparse points attach data with files and are meant to basically act as a way for drivers to use that to attach behavior to a file and are used to implement both mount points and symbolic links as well as things like the windows unix domain socket implementation
prior to the bugfix the driver wasn't even properly checking reparse point type to see if a symlink was a symlink or even if something was a reparse point
i guess it just so happens that the binary format of data for links to the NT object namespace and links to files are the same so it reads it and then the data itself is tripping some later sanity check since they're not valid NTFS paths
the patch might even make things worse since the dmesg error might be the only way to actually read non-symlink reparse point data
Any reason to pick Endeavor over Cachy now? Limine+snapshots out of the box seems like a huge win for Cachy, making it more noob-friendly now.
>bloat
Literally just uncheck 2 or 3 things in the installer. I guess Endeavor holds back updates more, but it doesn't matter with limine+snapshots. You can get all that and Cachy repos on Endeavor but it's way more work.
>>106160105>Endeavor holds back updates moreDo they? I thought they're basically 1:1 with Arch and just provide a pre-set desktop environment?
>>106160126CachyOs is ahead of Arch
>>106159842This is endless spam bait, because they will spend next hours arguing with whoever bites.
Just make your own flatpak, bazzite thread already..
>>106159842>True, and flathub should be a default way to install GUI apps on these distros. But, it isn't. The distros are still wasting time compiling software into their own repos and defaulting to the effectively broken/outdated software.>The "each distro has it's own repos for all the software" model was never good.In some cases I prefer a deb from Ubuntu's repos. Those debs are going to use dependencies on my system that I already have, whereas a Flatpak might download a whole bunch of its own dependencies. But I do use Flatpaks sometimes, if it's a program where I definitely want the latest version.
Also just because software is a bit older doesn't mean it's "broken". Like I said I'm using GIMP from Ubuntu's repos, which is older than the version on Flathub, but it works fine. If I find myself needing a feature from a newer version then I can just uninstall the deb and then get GIMP from Flathub.
>>106155361I switched back to LTS and things are better, but what's the point of using arch if I'm gonna use the LTS kernel instead?
>>106155418>two good wireless cards that work well with LinuxSpecific cards? or some specific manufacturer?
>>106155514That's pretty neat.
>>106155649>Wifi adapter that sometimes drops to similar speeds but is usually capable of a few hundred megs a second. I've found unplugging it and plugging it back in fixes it>>106155649Very weird thing, I'll keep that in mind.
>As weird as it sounds I've heard nearby USB3 cables can mess with Wifi and bluetooth adapters.Well it's USB 2 adapter connected to USB 3 port.
So maybe that's related?
>>106155762Podman, docker is malware at this point.
>>106157689except pihole
>>106159326Arch has been very good with me for the last 5 years or so.
WiFi has always been something really annoying when it doesn't go as planned AFAIK
I've downloaded some games from dubious origins.
is there a way to harden bottles against malware?
>>106160141It is literally ChatGPT. Nothing it is saying is true.
I thought the whole 'nvidia on Fedora' thing was overblow. I did install Fedora 42 the system, updated everything, installed the drivers and I got a kernel mismatch error. The kernel was 6.14, but the driver got installed for 6.15. Tried fixing it with chatgpt, spent some time on it, but honestly, I couldn't be bothered. Switched back to Ubuntu, removed snapd right away, and nvidia drivers just worked out of the box. Maybe I'm just too stupid or had a bad luck
Anyone here still using ubuntu these days? I heard it's getting less popular
>>106160141The stability part is 100% correct.
>>106160141>get told you're wrong>"nooo leave my safe space thread!!!"Go make an Ubuntu thread.
>>106160185>a Flatpak might download a whole bunch of its own dependenciesIt's not a significant amount.
>software is a bit older doesn't mean it's "broken"Sure, but it does to a lot of people. And it sometimes really does leave software in a broken/buggy state. Distro maintainers often don't spend the time backporting bug fixes.
>>106160311>truth hurts therefore it's a chat gpt postis chat gpt in the room with us right now?
>>106160334Only for some raspberry pi stuff, never for desktop. Don't see a reason to use it over Debian if you want something stable.
>>106160334I'm using Ubuntu and it just works for me. Maybe /g/ hates it because 4chan traditionally dislikes popular things.
Is there any TUI application for two pane file manger with remote file support?
>go to sleep
>wake up
>MUST UPDOOT retard is still spamming the thread telling newbies they must get on rolling release distros
*sigh*
>>106159845Check again:
https://new.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/
>>106160334>Anyone here still using ubuntu these days? I heard it's getting less popularIt's still popular, but it's losing popularity on desktops.
>I thought the whole 'nvidia on Fedora' thing was overblowFedora is a freetard distro, don't expect nvidia to just work there. That's why gaymers (and other new desktop users) are using stuff like Bazzite and Nobara instead, since those two set more things up for you just like Ubuntu does for Debian.
>>106160803People are using Nobara because they get told it's a preconfigured Fedora; then their system bricks when they run sudo dnf update
>>106160833Well, it is a preconfigured Fedora just like Manjaro is a preconfigured Arch. I wouldn't use either Nobara nor Manjaro for that reason, but a lot of people clearly don't mind it.
>>106160740The only updates you need are security updates. Feature updates might be good in some cases but you don't always need feature updates.
>>106160852Comparing Nobara to Manjaro is an insult to Manjaro, because Manjaro isn't a pre-alpha Frankenstein OS. Manjaro's problem is in its philosophy (Arch with held-back packages), but its actual implementation is competent.
>>106160126Arch also holds back updates. It's not bleeding edge.
>>106160126>>106160966Endeavour uses Arch repos so I'm not sure where they got the idea of it holding back packages. They certainly don't hold anything back more than Arch, which itself doesn't even hold back updates that much (although there are testing repos and kernel 6.16 has been in that testing repo for some time now, so clearly they do hold back some critical packages some of the time)
>>106160907>Manjaro isn't a pre-alpha Frankenstein OS>t. never used Manjaro
>>106160999It was being compared to cachyos which shits out latest builds for everything in the repos. Arch is conservative by comparison even if the packages are fairly up to date.
>>106161177Fair, but that's sort of the whole point for that distros existence. The packages they are putting out are all stable anyway (except for the -rc packages of the kernel but that's expected).
It's more their patches that raise eyebrows because some of them are not tested very well and are experimental. They do revert and walk back anything that breaks though, they're pretty good about that.
>>106161150I have, this year even. It's a fine operating system that at worst risks dependency hell should you use the AUR.
I think I will test Debian 13 and sid packages for a while, see how often it breaks compared to rolling distros. Eventually I will settle with CacyhOs but I want to try it.
>>106160195Here is the paper on the USB3 Wi-fi thing: https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/327216.pdf. Basically USB3 ports leak a lot of interference that interferes with Wi-fi and bluetooth. It's a known problem but not widely known enough.
My adapter is USB3 but using it in a USB3 port results in crippled speeds. It maxed out on USB2 ports so I left it like that. I assumed it was a driver issue until I found out about the USB3 thing.
Why is someone always posting CP threads on /g/?
>>106161692The usual psychos are usually releasted by an LTS-like schedule. They'll get a 5150/M1/Jailtime update and be stable for 1-2 years and after their sentence or "sentence" they usually brick and go back to spamming cp/gore/whatever. Then the government releases a new update to jail them again.
>>106150784>anyone else here pissy that linus wont pull bcachefs for 6.17?Kent has submitted a pull request for 6.17, and he has been in talks with the kernel team in the private channels apparently. He also plans on removing the experimental label in 6.18, which is likely to be the LTS, we don't know if Linus will remove it now.
>>106149120 (OP)im installing arch32 on my vaio ux it has single core cpu and 1gb ram what de would be good to run on here and not xfce i hate it, i thought unity could be cool i know theres a modern version that works but idk if it supports 32bit from the aur pakcage
>>106158948>Can someone pill me on Gentoo?it takes 2 days to install a web browser
>>106162205>single core cpu and 1gb ram>what de would be good to run on here and not xfceTrinity and Openbox should work.
>UnityYeah, there's Lomiri. It's the community made Unity fork. It can be built for 32bit (Debian provides a 32bit package for it, for example), but I'm not sure if it'll work well. As far as I remember the recommended specs for Unity were 2GB RAM and a dual core CPU with the very minimum being 1GB RAM. While Trinity, Openbox, Xfce, LXDE, Enlightenment, and a couple of others can run on 1GB devices just fine.
>>106162215This, "install gentoo" basically means "fuck off from this board for a couple days"
>>106160723GNU mc
It is the very best, most pain in the ass to learn file manager.
>>106150784Nah, Kent is clearly unable to function in a team environment and I am on Linus side in this shit-flinging contest
>>106159712nope, every time i install arch i realize im just making opensuse but shitty and just install tumbleweed instead. enjoy having a rolling release where the packages still get tested anon
>>106160195what did docker do? can i just run my docker compose files with podman?
>>106160802anon do you shit your pants when you see a rainbow in the sky too
>>106159563>mount Windows filesystem>install bricked sooner or laterwhy do this to yourself?
>>106160334>no rpmfusionbraindead or mental retardation
you call it
ubuntu is a perfect fit for you
>>106163051You can't expect a random person to know about RPM Fusion.
>>106162877retarded design decisions, being jewish (you now need to pay for some features that used to be free) and the usual culprit of requiring root by default for every container which is very questionable
meanwhile in podman, rootless containers are the norm
you can straight up alias docker to podman and it will just work. There are plugins/programs that lets podman be compatible with docker-compose but honestly I recommend you learn how to use podman pods which is a similar concept but far more powerful and flexible
>>106154895I don't think it's a kernel issue anymore.
It happened again even on the LTS.
Things are so bad even iperf3 fails to run now.
Worst thing is I still get good signal.
I even followed
>>106155649 advice.
And even rebooted all devices including the router and the range extender, same issue still.
I've even installed wifi analyzer and changed it manually to different channel and increased the bandwidth.
why would HVAC system need 40 mhz band width?
Can it be interference that effect it this badly?
or is my adapter is connecting to far away router instead of the close range extender?
>>106158454i've never tried it, but bazzite i hear is literally the gaming distro, like it provides the shortest path for gaming
>>106160371>i only post truthy wuthy>completely unusable wusable>people never wever>contstantly wonstantly>nothing wothing>I use Arch btwThanks for the laught, ChatGPT
>>106162215my first gentoo install took me 3 hours before i was at a gnome (2) desktop with firefox and some other basics. i posted on /g/ 3 hours in basically.
this was in 2011
>>106163228>any time someone posts something I disagree with, it must be ChatGPTSure thing, schizo
>>106162215you can get a 12+ CPU 4.5Ghz for just 100 bucks or even less in 2025
times have changed
>>106155649Wifi adapters are utterly dogshit in general
they barely work even in Windows
>>106163282>I only post facts, absolute facts that are 100% true without a single doubt, cannot be disputed, even though I don't use the software I claim to know everyweverything about>I'll call him a schiz0, because that is what 1337 hackers on 4chan who use GNU+Arch Linux do.lol, I wonder how many ponds dry up to post on 4chan?
>>106163033migration of my ntfs partitions aren't an option for a variety of reasons mostly stemming from me being a bumbling dumbass when i first made them
if i wanted to i'd probably have to write the migration software myself, i did some fairly stupid things involving windows logical volumes
i only ever mount the main windows partition as read only and only when needed so my install is safe
for the others i intentionally avoid touching anything write related with potentially iffy support and i just boot into windows recovery mode occasionally and run a chkdsk repair pass
although there was some minor corruption issues very early on in the driver's lifecycle there haven't been any for a very long time
>>106163337I didn't know unintelligent monkeys could even use the internet, but looks like I'm wrong.
I knew mpv's design and architecture is more Linux friendly but jesus christ, my laptop (iGPU) completely mogs my Win10 desktop (which has a dGPU)
24fps frametimes are perfect and panning is smooth (not literally, as in 24fps panning with no jerks) with stable AV sync, little to no jitter in laptop on the same settings as my desktop
meanwhile on Windows microstutters and slight desync is noticeable in pans EVEN when manually setting display refresh rate as a multiple of 24.
It's insane
>>106163163Should I get this instead
>>106163471>ChineseIf you want to be spied upon by Xi Jinping then yeah, get it
>>106162215>it takes 2 days to install a web browser * www-client/librewolf
Average merge time: 25 minutes and 58 seconds.
>>106163483Everything is made in china, you just don't know it
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>>10616348425 mins just to install a browser is mental kek
>>106163303i know
>>106163559>25 mins just to install a browser is mental kekyea, modern browsers are fucking huge
>>106163559Considering that web browser is the single most complex piece of software running in your OS, compiling it in just 25 minutes is mental (and shows the lack of proper optimization flags).
>>106163471hell NO
I have that same exact one and it barely even works in Windows
disconnects often, "overheats" even when slightly warm and the default driver doesn't reach advertised speeds so you have to fish for a new chipset driver in the forums (which they haven't officially released yet because ???)
with the new drivers it works at advertised speeds but still disconnects (and you have to manually reinstall new driver because everytime it reconnects it overwrites it with the default broken version)
the cherry on top is that even with the new drivers, you still have latency problems suchs as spikes every few seconds which makes anything realtime (vidya, calls, etc) unusable
save yourself the trouble and look in Arch Linux wiki for a tested linux friendly WiFi USB adapter (preferably not chinkshit with the shittiest realtek chipsets)
I have never been this disgusted at a company before
>>106163471Get one from this list instead:
https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi/blob/main/home/The_Short_List.md
https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi/blob/main/home/USB_WiFi_Adapters_that_are_supported_with_Linux_in-kernel_drivers.md
>>106150713I'm updating the NVIDIA part of the script to automatically detect if you're using a Maxwell or newer GPU, and then install the current NVIDIA drivers. I believe this should cover all bases for akmod-nvidia:
"GTX 745|GTX 750|GTX 9|GT 9|GTX 1|GT 1|RTX|Titan X|Quadro M|Quadro P|Quadro GV|NVIDIA T"
The limitation of course is that this script won't install drivers for graphics cards that aren't plugged in.
As for Intel, nope. Their naming schemes are fucking STUPID. They have MULTIPLE integrated GPUs with the same name. Unless there's a simple way to reliably detect which particular Intel GPU you have, then installing the appropriate Intel media codec will have to require some knowledge on the user's part:
Which best describes your setup? [1/2/3]
[1] Newer Intel GPUs (2014 onwards)
[2] Older Intel GPUs (up to 2014)
[3] Skip this step
im stuck with the arch 32bit installer so when i try to setup with pacstrap it complains about the pgp keys being corrupt or invalid, i tried isntalling archlinux32-keyring first but get the same error, i edited the pacman config in etc to never sig check but it still gives the same error what do i do
>>106163487My American Cisco routers aren't!
It's high tide we made routing great again.
>>106163487TP-Link are a Chinese company. True, companies from democratic countries also have electronics made in China, but I would trust those a bit more, because at least there is oversight from a company based in a democratic country.
>>106163147>the usual culprit of requiring root by default for every container which is very questionableIt's required for some things though for example proper device access or AppArmor support, etc. Podman can't do that in rootless mode.
>>106163600>WindowsWe're in the /fglt/ though.
>I have never been this disgusted at a company beforeSounds like windows issue.
>>106163678It doesn't matter if it's the same chip on the inside right?
Because alfa is pretty overpriced.
>>106163751At least chinese big brother can't do anything compared to american alphabet agencies.
>>106163782>At least chinese big brother can't do anything compared to american alphabet agencies.Xi Jinping thanks you for donating your personal data to the glorious People's Republic of China.
>>106164156Great rebuttal CIA
>>106164214This "CIA", are they in the room with us right now?
>>106164266You aren't fooling anyone
>>106163678What is this? debian general?
All wifi adapter are plug and play since kernel 6.6
>>106164699That list is less about what works and more about what works well. Consider it a list of what to avoid and what to buy instead.
>>106164715It mention nothing of that sort though
>>106164738Everything on the list has been reviewed and tested.
>>106164750And here tested doesn't just mean "I plugged it in and it worked" but "I stress tested it for multiple hours and it worked well"
>>106160334>Anyone here still using ubuntu these days?Lots of people, it's the only distro that doesn't put gayness front and center.
Give Kubuntu a try if you want the KDE experience.
Also, snap is fine, don't fall for /g/ memes.
On android 16 with AVF you can now run full GNU/Linux GUI applications without the need to fuck around with termux and VNC.
Doesn't this mean that the time of the Linux tablet has come? Where's the hype?
>>106164914better than nogear
I'm running a laptop with luks encryption on Fedora 42. I don't use it much so sometimes I leave it unplugged and the battery dies. Twice when this has happened I've ended up with a situation where I start the laptop, get to grub, enter my luks password, get prompted for it a second time, then a nonresponsive blackscreen. Is it possible to corrupt an encrypted drive by running out of power while the drive is decrypted? Is there a way to recover from this? Last time I had to do a fresh reinstall; luckily I don't have anything important on the thing
>>106164914What's wrong with TP-Link? From my experience all their networking shit works on Linux.
>>106163163>picYou're in a noisy environment, but all APs around you seem to have low signal strength, so it's not terrible.
In a situation slightly worse than yours I switched to WiFi 6 on 6 GHz, using a USB adapter based on Mediatek 7921u chipset. It works out of the box on Linux.
The old AP simply blasts WiFi 4 on 2.4 GHz for the vacuum cleaner.
>>106163471**NEVER** buy TP-Link if you want it to work on Linux, their adapters only use Realtek choosers which never worked on Linux and never will.
Only Mediatek-based USB adapters work on Linux, there are various brands that sell such adapters (mine is Comfast CF-953AX).
>>106164699You... have no idea about this stuff.
>>106165022>>106164992Chipset is more important than brand really. Both TP-LINK and Netgear release trash with a Realtek or Broadcom chipset. Then there's the stuff with the nice Mediatek chipset. None of them make the chips themselves so you're essentially buying based on the build quality of the adapter and what its internals are.
I never used Linux to play video games.
Sometimes I see normies at the office use Wine for office apps. But doesn't executing something in Wine, and forks, brings all the vulnerabilities of Windows into Linux?
Basically, can't you just get a Windows virus when you use Wine?
>Running Wine with kvm would basically be as bad as simply running Windows with it.
>I do not think ns would help in this case, because nobody seems to do that.
>>106163782>It doesn't matter if it's the same chip on the inside right?In the case of Realtek it does because they're drivers friend on the physical configuration of the adapter. Just don't buy Realtek wifi ever. It's dogshit.
ponkwth
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>copy files from ntfs to linux fs
>metada of copied files creation time : --
what the fuck, is there really no copytools to do that
>>106165174*their drivers depend
jfc gboard gets more retarded by the day
yt-dlp now requires some "po_token" value.
I followed the guide on github and saw and copied the value, but it is still not enabling higher resolution downloads for yt-dlp. What do I do?
I am adding --extractor-args "youtube:po_token=mweb.gvs+nnnnnn", where "nnnnn" is the token value without quotations.
>>106165194It should be:
--extractor-args "youtube:player-client=default,mweb;po_token=mweb.gvs+…"
At least that's what worked for me when I had to manually do this crap.
>>106165075>Realtek or Broadcom chipsetIs this some recent issue? My shitty 9 year old TPLink which 100% has one of these chipsets works just fine under Linux and performs the same as it did on Windows.
>>106165118>can't you just get a Windows virus when you use Wine? Yes, of course. If you run a program in WINE and it, for example, deletes or encrypts data it can actually affect your /home and even your entire system.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think Wine prefixes are set up by default to use symlinks which are linked to your /home and your root. If you disable those then I think (normal) Windows malware wouldn't be able to escape containment. But I don't think there's anything stopping people from creating malware specific for Wine (or Flatpak, if using Bottles or the Steam flatpak) which could break containment.
>>106165185Linux/Unix filesystems didn't support creation time metadata until btrfs and recent versions of ext4. None of the standard tools will actually preserve creation time. I'm honestly not aware of any copy tools which let you preserve it.
>>106165041>so it's not terribleI guess, there's two many 2.4 GHz devices on 5 GHz it's just me.
I guess it's just idiots that think higher power = better signal.
Mine is Ralink MT7601U Wireless Adapter, it's 2.4 Ghz and was doing fine, until yesterday.
I don't really know what's causing it.
>wifi6My router support up to 5 ghz.
I guess 5 ghz adapter would offer better speed but then I have several concrete walls to deal with, which I know from my other laptops that do support 5 Ghz and do poorly with that and switch to 2.4 Ghz when I'm away.
The repeater is in mesh mode so I'm not sure on what frequency or channel it's broadcasting.
Pic is my current placement of the AP in my apartment.
It's not the best but I can't run wires sadly.
Also I found this
>SmartLife-EC5AIt broadcast on the same channel and switch to the same channel when I switch channels.
Can I fuck with them by doing Deauth attack?
>never worked on Linux I have old tp-link adapter and it worked straight away, but those are old.
Or am I misunderstanding something?
What's the issue with realtek choosers?
>>106165071enlighten me
>>106165075>Both TP-LINK and Netgear release trash with a Realtek or Broadcom chipset. Then there's the stuff with the nice Mediatek chipsetI see, so I should aim for mediatek
>>106165174>>106165075So this piece of shit is good because it has mediatek?
Are we trolling?
I thought mediatek was the brand to stay away from.
I don't know about tplink and netgear, but I know for sure tenda is premium shiny shit.
I had better luck with D-Link
>>106165409Realtek depends on if the physical disposition of the adapter jives with what the driver expects. Broadcom can be hit or miss depending on the chip. I would say they're ok if you do your research, where Realtek is something you keep if it's free and it works but avoid buying.
>>106165455>I thought mediatek was the brand to stay away from.Maybe in the past but they're one of the better companies now.
Intel and Qualcomm/Atheros are good too but they don't typically make USB adapters.
>>106164410To each their own I guess.
>>106165409>I think Wine prefixes are set up by default to use symlinks which are linked to your /home and your root.They certainly did that before, but last time I created a prefix it didn't so I didn't have to remove them.
>>106165499>don't typically make USB adapters.No, but there are USB adapters with qualcomm/atheros chipset but they tend to come with BT as well.
Like pic related.
>>106165194>>106165256I can still get 1080p video without doing that, and 1080p is good enough for me. I haven't tried higher resolutions.
>>106165455>I thought mediatek was the brand to stay away fromMediatek mobile and wireless networking were originally two separate companies and they retain their individual open source policies. Wireless networks / Filogic descends from Analog Devices, which is a walking ancap meme company with recreational ICBMs.
>>106165041Are any of these medialink chipsets (for BT and WiFi ) supported FOSS or do they need binary blobs or firmwares ?
>>106165593Binary blobs no, firmware yes. You won't get an AC or later adapter that doesn't take firmware files.
anyone use the Doki theme in Vscode on Linux?
for some reason when I use it through Vscode on WSL2 it doesn't work and I think it could be some permission thing because it works fine in winshit.
>>106165634DDLC has a theme in Vscode?
>>106165666it's better than even that, satan
https://doki-theme.unthrottled.io/
>>106165698oh, that, I've tried some of those for vim but didn't really like the in the end.
>>106165739that would be cool actually. didn't think it would be worth on vim, i use helix on the terminal now anyway.
>>106165587I can too. It's only necessary to do that when the extractor shits itself which can happen sometimes when YouTube decides to play fun and games.
what's your favorite alias?
mine
alias l="clear"
>>106165739do you remember the name of the plugin/theme?
>>106165256still not working for downloading for me, but I can now see many more formats with --list-formats
>>106165409>Linux/Unix filesystems didn't support creation time metadata until btrfs and recent versions of ext4. None of the standard tools will actually preserve creation time. I'm honestly not aware of any copy tools which let you preserve it.yeah, plenty of akshually guy telling this story, it's probably because ntfs is garbage, but it would be cool if there was something to keep or make up the creation date.
>>106165765Rory and a few others I don't remember. Dark themes only.
>>106165791>>106165409It's actually a limitation of the kernel for not having a proper abstraction to set and modify creation time (ctime). The ctime comes from some internal filesystem thing and there is no standard way for any tool to set or modify ctime directly except via low-level filesystem black magic.
>>106165791Renaming a file keeps the creation date. Copying/Moving from one filesystem to another creates a new file, hence loses the original creation date.
>>106165633>>106165593You can blame regulatory crap for that. Because of the strict WiFi regulations in different countries everyone uses a binary blob firmware module to enforce them now. Without the magic firmware and regdb you can forget about AP mode working and even then it might not work properly and only support certain bands.
>>106165761alias sus="systemctl suspend"
and
alias bye="shutdown 0"
>>106165413>Mine is Ralink MT7601UThat's also Mediatek, although it's ancient. I remember having poor reception with a similar adapter ages ago.
Try their new chipsets, they went all in with Linux support some 3-4 years ago.
>>106165413>enlighten meBroadcom and Realtek chipsets don't work on Linux, with very few exceptions (such as the Broadcom WiFi on Raspberry Pi).
For PCIe adapters, only Intel and Mediatek are supported, and for USB it's just Mediatek.
Realtek and Broadcom don't give a shit about Linux WiFi.
>>106165455I had this exact adapter and it was shit.
The new Mediatek adapter (WiFi 6) is fine, I use it as an Access Point on 6 GHz.
>>106166152>>106166170So just so happens this mediatek is bad while the rest of mediatek is good?
You realize how stupid you sound?
>>106166152>>106166170Looking at the arch wiki, all mediatek have issues.
>>106166319mt7921u has never had issues for me on a couple of <$10 chinkshit adapters. Never tried the full fat 6E / Bluetooth variant, but those are both way more likely to have problems for other reasons.
>>106166359What did you do, anon?
>installed linux arch
>know nothing
>ask chatgpt
>it almost makes me wipe windows before i notice
>manage to partition windows
>it ends up doing a non-stop loop of trying to use one partition which runs out of memory or something, i try t mount another partiton but it says fstab is modified and the system will use theold one
>an hour or something goes by and decide to fuck it and follow some youtube video
>get it working
>try to get mullvad
>doesn't work for my distro
>need yay, aur or something
>try a ton of things and i don't have permission
>have to go to wheel or something and comment out some code so i can by pass thing
>almost run into a fatal error by running something in root
>finally manage to get it working
>finally install mullvad
>internet stopped working
>tried stuff with systemctl
>internet still doesn't work
>restart
>works now
>mullvad has errors conneting and cant put shit in
>do more shit to try to get it to work
>finally works
>finally can use it
>wanna get steam
>have to jump through more hurdles to get steam running
I can't picture myself doing this for everything, should i just swap to mint?
>>106166359Did you have a power outage or something?
I read that this is currently a known issue with btrfs in kernels >6.15.3
You could force it to mount with "btrfs rescue zero-log /dev/XYZ" AFAIK, but I'm unsure about the implications of doing that.
>>106166359Looks like the recent btrfs bug
btrfs rescue zero-log <device>
where <device> is the device containing your root fs
>>106166359the good news is i think you're just missing the mount point, not the device.
mkdir /mnt
then retry?
>>106166219>things never changeDo you realise that one chipset is 10+ years old, and another one is brand new?
How do i set up keybindings for the play/pause next/prev buttons on my bluetooth headphones? XF86AudioPlay etc doesnt work.
>>106166489>chatgptThat's your problem.
I threaten the AI I'd kill myself if it got it wrong
>>106166509Did you just use WSL as an argument?
How pajeet can you be?
>>106166489>use a distro for hobbyists and tinkerers>expecting it to just workJust use Bazzite or at least Mint
>>106166489>it almost makes me wipe windows before i noticewow, didn't expect it to be that good.
>>106166528take a loot at mpris, maybe has what you're looking for
>>106166489>I can't picture myself doing this for everything, should i just swapyeah, basically among the big distros arch is the least user friendly so if you're just a zoomer who cant read anything but social media and chatgpt instead of their wiki, you're fucked
>>106166568kek
How does it respond to something like that?
>>106166717It would probably give you the number to a suicide prevention hotline and tell you it's in its code not to do anything to harm you.
>>106166591Learn to read, Sujeet.
>>106166966British beauty.
Know the difference, it can save your life!
>>106167019Our definition of "super fast broadband" will never not be a meme. Meanwhile, other countries already have access to 10-gigabit speeds or at least multi-gigabit speeds. Only now we're getting that and if you have it then you are in the low, low, low percentages.
>>106166400I suspended my desktop to grab a bite
When I returned and boot it up, the screen despite being on displayed nothing but a greyish black
I tried moving the mouse, pressing arrow keys, turning the display on an off, checking the cables an ultimately waiting 5 minutes
Nothing changed, so I shutdown the desktop by holding down the power button
When I turned it on I had that mount error
>>106166503>>106166506>>106166507Is there the possibility of damage to my personal files and program installations?
How do I install curl-impersonate and curl-cffi?
It's confusing. I downloaded the tar.gz archives, not sure what to do with 'em beyond extraction.
Can't find how to tell python3 to install them. Or do I manually copy them into a certain folder?
>>106159033>Ubuntu sold out and put spyware on its CDsCitation needed
>>106159033>spyware on its CDsfor you, not for anyone else
What the hell did you do to Canonical?
>>106167189I think curl-impersonate can just be installed to /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib
Then you install curl-cffi with pip. At least I think this is what you'd do. I haven't actually tested this.
>>106159391>objectivelyI don't think that word means what you think it means
>>106167106>Is there the possibility of damage to my personal files and program installations?You're probably fine.
>>106159826>gay flag on their subredditUnbelievably based
>>106160371>It's not a significant amount.Fedora Media Writer, a 4 mb program, downloads 1.2 gb as a flatpak, including nvidia drivers.
>>106167227>>106167287yt-dlp is asking for these things and pip is refusing, I think I need to download the yt-dlp source code in order to launch the needed virtual environment?
>>106166503>>106166506>>106167268Ok that didnt work...
Any other way to unfuck this up?
>>106167343Sure, but flatpak runtimes and dependencies are shared between flatpaks. In the long run, it really is insignificant. I just measured it the other day and my entire OS with 50+ flatpaks and multiple appimages is only 40GB (cache and app data included). And my desktop with around 80 flatpaks and 10+ appimages is not much larger.
You can argue this is a lot, but considering most end-user devices have 6x-50x that amount of storage it's literally not a big deal. Saving 5GB-15GB in total isn't going to make a difference at all unless you're on a very specialized or ancient piece of hardware, in which case you're likely not even going to use a regular desktop distro.
>>106167413the ytdlp doesn't need that
>>106167499Fixed
Used a bootable usb drive and from there, opened a terminal and inputed the "rescue zero-log" command
However that didnt work because you guys forgot to tell me I have to input "sudo" at the beggining of the command as well kek
>>106167710lol glad it worked
>>106167710For future reference, most of the time when you dick around with hardware-level stuff you do need root permissions.
>>106167540"WARNING: The extractor specified to use impersonation for this download, but no impersonate target is available. If you encounter errors, then see https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp#impersonation for information on installing the required dependencies
ERROR: Did not get any data blocks"
I did not even use --impersonate; heck, I didn't even know about that, I tend not to pay attention to some of the functionality if it seems unnecessary for me.
I have not used yt-dlp in some time, I had no issues early this year and throughout last year using it.
>>106165118sure. wine isn't a sandbox, but you can run wine in a sandbox. i run wine with bubblewrap to ensure programs can't do anything naughty
>>106167343>a 4 mb program, downloads 1.2 gb as a flatpakJesus Christ!
>>106167532>flatpak runtimes and dependencies are shared>NvidiaNah, I don't think so: https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/issues/2718
>>106167710"we" didn't forget anything
the rescue shell (in your pics) is a root shell so sudo is unnecessary
we didn't expect you to use a bootable USB drive
>>106168497>Jesus Christ!A whole 15 cents worth of SSD