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>>106205258 (OP)
I hope that with the new theming thing that KDE is going to add that we can just replicate this in Plasma and call it a day.

*Blocks your path*

>>106205440
He's so dreamy

>>106205405
Plasma has to work on some polishing of the user experience overall. Do you know how to make Konsole group new terminal instances in a single tabbed window instead of opening a new whole ass window every time you launch a command? Check an obscure option in the Konsole settings and then modify the fucking .desktop file itself with a new flag no one mentions it exists (though for what is worth, at least it was on the man pages, unlike most of the kservices thing).
>inb4 but what if i want to separate tasks by context using workspaces
That's overcomplicated IMO, i configured Konsole to be visible on every virtual desktop cause 99% of the time i'm doing something in a terminal, tabs/buffers are enough abstraction. Konsole even allows you to give them unique names if you really have to.

I have my powerbutton set to sleep my PC when pressed. Why does it not work when the screen is locked? Can I fix it?

>>106205258 (OP)
I can't connect to my 5G Android Hotspot but if I make it 2.4g then I can. Why?

My home router is 5g and I have no issue connecting to it and I could connect my 5g Android Hotspot on windows.

I just want to thank the friendly anons ITT who helped point me in good directions.
I got a bunch of good advice taking steps forward with my Linux experience starting with Mint last year and recently decided it's time I learn Arch. Had a friend help me install Arch the old fashioned way, no archinstall, and while it was a trip (nvidia card, forgot to install drivers BEFORE putting my DE on, fuck me) I learned so much. Currently learning to use the AUR, I went with yay as a helper.
Thank you. The shackles are off and I'm finally learning to use my hands. Keep it up, /fglt/

What cloud service provider do you guys recommend for making offsite backups?

>>106206781
It's hard to say without a ton of diagnostics, but I bet it's a WiFi chipset/deiver issue. Every WiFi chipset and the associated Linux drivers are a giant pile of hacks and there's a fuckton of niche 802.11nigger specs these days which can make a specific AP and client incompatible.

>Get game working
>Play it once
>Next day
>Not working

>>106207178
Skil issue. Just beat it on the first day

¿How do you manage dotfiles across instalations? I have some mildly annoying problem, and is that i have two separate machines that i want to set in an almost identical fashion, except for minimal changes like two or three environment variables and a different Neovim plugin here and there. Can GNU stow solve this problem? Should i create a Git repository with two different branches?

>>106207466
Create a git repository, but don't fuck around with branches. I'm going to write this as though you're using bash but the pattern applies to anything:
1. In the repository you have bashrc_a, bashrc_b, and bashrc_common
2. On machine A symlink ~/.bashrc to bashrc_a, ditto for machine B
3. Both of these configs define the machine-specific stuff and source bashrc_common for the rest

The basic pattern applies to any program whose config files support includes and it's the most maintainable way I've found to manage configs across machines.

>>106207502 (me)
An alternative approach is to use a single file and write out conditionals for different machines based on the hostname or other identifying detail. That can be simpler if the differences are small enough, but it doesn't scale as well and only works for configurations that support some sort of conditional behavior based on the environment.

is ti really prudent to learn vim or does nano do it all? I've already gotten a little accustom to nano

>>106207778
Learn vim if you intend to spend any significant time doing work with it. If you just need to edit the occasional config file nano is probably fine.

>>106205258 (OP)
Does anybody have that meme that goes something like
>proprietary software? in MY GNU?

>>106207778
If you edit files in a terminal like once every 6 months isn't worth investing much time on Vim. Just renember the basics to know how to quit it. If doubt press ESC and write :q! then Enter, you'll close it and any change will be discarded.

>>106207502
I'm using zsh, my idea is to share a couple of essential configs across my personal Arch rig and a work issued Macbook. Splitting shit into different files sounds too complex for like two environment variables and a plugin, though is very likely that's going to be the answer long term if i decide to expand things. Maybe using more tools like pass and so.

>>106208238
Anon, files are free. You just put all the shared config in one file and a couple of unique lines in the others

>>106208305
Ok i'm overthinking it, it probably will pay off in the long term as i keep hitting in more corner cases while adding more tools and both OSes reveal their differences from each other. I'm looking towards switching to pass for managing secrets and passwords eventually.
What are you supposed to do to check the platform a non interactive shell is running, anyways? plain old uname -a sounds dirty.

does cracklib-check send my passwords to "relevant entities"?

Is there a known-to-work, non-retarded, reliable way to set up automatic BTRFS snapshots on Fedora?

>>106208646
AND NO REINSTALLING WITH @ DIRECTORIES OR WHATEVER EITHER. I need this working on an EXISTING install.

How do I use Tor with snowflake? My current config is valid, but it always results in a core dump. Here's the torrc btw:

UseBridges 1

ClientTransportPlugin snowflake exec /usr/sbin/snowflake -log snowflake.log

Bridge snowflake 192.0.2.3:80 2B280B23E1107BB62ABFC40DDCC8824814F80A72 fingerprint=2B280B23E1107BB62ABFC40DDCC8824814F80A72 url=https://1098762253.rsc.cdn77.org/ fronts=www.cdn77.com,www.phpmyadmin.net ice=stun:stun.antisip.com:3478,stun:stun.epygi.com:3478,stun:stun.uls.co.za:3478,stun:stun.voipgate.com:3478,stun:stun.mixvoip.com:3478,stun:stun.nextcloud.com:3478,stun:stun.bethesda.net:3478,stun:stun.nextcloud.com:443 utls-imitate=hellorandomizedalpn

>>106208646
Install Timeshift

How do I upgrade my debian bookworm to trixie? can I just do sudo apt update && upgrade? I don't get it they don't tell us how to upgrade

>>106208745
Yes you can do sudo apt update && upgrade

>>106205258 (OP)
looks awesome, how do

>>106208745
clean install with debian live usb. it may also be quicker than upgrading via apt.

>>106208701
Not working

>>106208745
Do some repartitioning and clean install alongside your old debian.
There are a lot of changes to debian 13 and there is no need to clean core packaging errors manually.

>>106209012
Btrfs Assistant doesn't work either I assume?

>>106209148
Nope. In fact so much as saving a config on Btrfs Assisant with the default settings bricks Fedora.

How do I get the kde portal to display thumbnails?
The thumbnails seem to load fine in dolphin but I can't see the thumbnail of images I want to post on 4chan.
I'm posting this image blind

>>106208653
You don't need to reinstall to do the @ stuff. I did that long after I installed my Arch to get the snapshots working.

>>106209188
Uh are you even sure you're using the KDE thing? Because when I post images in Vivaldi, the thumbnails show up without any issue and I 100% know that actually does use the KDE thing.

>>106209206
I installed the kde environment and the logo in the window when I go to choose a file is the KDE logo

>>106209245
Don't know what the problem is then, because the thumbnails were there by default for me. No setting changes required. Only don't work in network folders, but that's a setting somewhere which I don't care to enable.

>>106207178
Run it from there terminal and post the output

happy debian regression day

>>106209188
firefox? about:config then look for xdg set a bunch of them to 1

>>106209345
no, I'm on brave

>>106208646
i know its not what you're looking for but isnt dnf history undo to revert a transaction enough if you're just setting it up in case the system decides to shit the bed?
insert the gnome guy pic here if you want

>>106209364
What if your system fucks up so badly that you can't even boot? dnf isn't gonna help you then

>>106209379
how is that even supposed to happen? the only case that i can think of is a blackout in the middle of the short span where its applying the scripts

>>106209401
It happened to me. Hell, I couldn't even mount the drive after booting into a Fedora Live USB. Running sudo btrfs check --repair /dev/sda3 in the Live Environment got me back into the OS, but it would be more convenient to just have snapshots.

>>106207466
>How do you manage dotfiles across instalations?
I wrote some Ansible playbooks.
Fuck configuration files in general, and the retarded developers who proliferate them in this century.

>>106206678
What distro and desktop environment? Works fine on Kubuntu here, can suspend using the power button when locked and even on the login screen.

I want to make the switch to linux but I still want to have windows for the games that don't work with just proton. I could have both os' on separate drives and dual boot but I would end up not changing to windows out of laziness. I remember seeing a couple of years ago you could use your integrated graphics for linux and passthrough your actual gpu to a windows virtual machine but it was too complicated to setup, and was mostly just a meme. Is it still the case?

Guys before I updated from Debian 12 to 13 I was able to ssh from windows into my debian machine, but now I cant, the debian machine has no password and when I try ssh and press enter with a blank password it doesnt allow me, what happened?

>>106209416
The problem is snapshots are a filesystem level feature so if you can't mount the filesystem then you can't recover your snapshots either.
I think this is where tools like LVM do better because its snapshots happen at a layer below the filesystem itself, except this is actually a foot gun because it means there's considerably more overhead to the snapshot and it can also break BTRFS in certain scenarios (I think you're not supposed to use thin provisioning with BTRFS?).

Really, though they could just include a rescue environment with the BTRFS tools in the initramfs but even then there is still risk that you can't even boot that if the FAT32 filesystem is corrupt or the initramfs generation (Dracut) fucked up. There is always something that can go wrong.

>>106209537
>you could use your integrated graphics for linux and passthrough your actual gpu to a windows virtual machine
The main problem with that approach is that you won't switch to linux, you'll continue to use windows, just with a linux wrapper around it, and you have to split your hardware resources between the 2 OS.
Like, your GPU would be unusable for Linux, so even things you could perfectly fine run on Linux you won't due to that.
The main problem with dual boot is that you will stay in one OS like all the time.

Personally, I have more games than I have time to play them all anyway so the few games that don't run aren't a problem to me, but your mileage may differ.

>>106209537
i have a windows vm with passthrough graphics, though for the opposite reason. i use the windows vm solely for running solidworks, and i give it my weaker gpu
it might take a bit to set it up but it's more about learning how to do it, and once it's set up you don't have to touch it again. like i set it up a couple years ago and since then i just run the vm to use it like there's nothing special about it.
i used to dual-boot, but like you said, there's a laziness barrier when doing that. with a vm, i can get into windows in seconds without needing to close anything. windows is just another linux app

>>106209557
You should be using key based authentication. Most likely they have updated the security config to prevent this backdoor.

>>106209572
It's just for my local network, my laptop and pc are in different rooms, I don't care about security I just want to ssh into my debian machine without external hassle, my only question is why cant i just ssh into my debian machine like before, it will work if I set a password, but I dont want one

>>106209587
It doesn't matter. Do you really want some botnet device on your network to have a free shell to your machine?

Do the right thing and generate a key pair and add it to the authorized_keys.

>>106209596
Yes I do

>>106209609
Then still do the right thing and generate a shared key pair and distribute it to all of the botnet devices on your network.

>>106208646
https://web.archive.org/web/20250712202410/https://davejansen.com/fedora-root-snapshot-support/

>>106209628
>>106209609
Alternatively, just set a password. The only reason it's preventing you from logging in is because there's no password. It doesn't even have to be a particularly strong one. Set it to something retarded like correct-battery-staple-horse if you don't care about the security of it.

>>106209568
Good point, I do have a second powerful enough gpu but now it would be all about psu/motherboard compatibility and the temps would be awfull with two beefy gpus that close together.
Besides games there are a couple of programs I use that don't work on linux so I guess I'll have to learn to live without them.
>>106209570
I guess I'll leave a windows installation for the occasional game my friends want to play that doesn't work with proton.

>>106209416
>use btrfs
>so you can save space with its compression
>so you can use that space to store snapshots
>so you can use those snapshots to save yourself from headaches caused by btrfs
I dunno man.

>>106209537
>was mostly just a meme
I mean, not really. It was just convoluted to set up. It's slightly easier now and there's a lot more guides on how to do it. I'd say go for it only if you have a whole day (or 2-3 days, if you really have no idea what you're doing and you end up having to troubleshoot a lot).
If you're going to dual boot just be warned that Windows (starting with W10) is known to just kill the GRUB bootloader and install it's own, thus making it impossible to boot into Linux unless you repair the bootloader manually. This doesn't always happen and only happens when applying a Windows update. The only "workaround" is to manually unplug the Linux drive before booting into Windows, and vice-versa (which is annoying as fuck).

I'd say give using Linux "full time" a shot since the only games that don't work on it are mainly games with kernel level anti cheat. These games can mostly be played on game streaming platforms like GeForce Now. Sure, it will add around 50ms of input latency, but it's a lot more convenient than having to deal with dual booting. It would be better to set up a GPU passthrough, but if you fail this is the 2nd best option.

>>106207466
I have my dotfiles in a Git repo which I've backed up in a couple of places. Yeah your branching idea sounds alright.

>>106209488
>Fuck configuration files in general
How else do you propose storing configuration settings? Even if a program has a GUI for config, it still needs to store the config choices somewhere.

Currently upgrading to Debian 13
Pray for me

>>106209709
Good luck. You should be fine unless you've made some esoteric changes.

For the love of god how do I make it so this never pops up ever again, I'm sick of seeing it

>>106209725
Use different software

>>106209725
ecosystem {
no_donation_nag = true
}

>>106209685
>headaches caused by btrfs
Snapshots aren't needed for btrfs's sake but the distribution's

>>106209760
thank u

>>106209012
It literally tells you in plain english, if you read the error message... You need to create subvolumes before using timeshift.
For example, to create a subvolume named @ for root:
# btrfs subvolume create /@

And another named @home for the /home partition:
# btrfs subvolume create /@home

and so on and so forth depending on your needs...

>>106209938
>You need to create subvolumes before using timeshift
And Timeshift doesn't have a button that does this for me because...?

>>106209948
I'm not the developer, nor do I use timeshift, so I have no idea.

If you use snapshots, you relinquish the right to mock atomic distros for Flatpak sizes.

I just updated my KDE Plasma to version 6 (I was on 5.2-something) and was unable to find Font DPI in settings. I went to System Settings -> Appearance & Style -> Text & Fonts where it should be and it's gone, I don't think devs moved it because it's the only logical place for it.
What frustrates me even more is that when I open font settings using kcmshell6 fonts
as root the Font DPI option is there, but not when I open them as my regular user. What the fuck is this shit?

What and where should I write in configs to force font DPI? Or maybe you can suggest me another DE with such feature? Just not Gnome please, I can't stand it

>>106209963
>atomic distros for Flatpak sizes.
Only retards do this

>>106209963
why?

>>106209948
It needs to be done from the root of the drive so can't be done while your system is in use. You'd need to mount your root subvolume, make the @ and @home subvolumes, move everything into them as appropriate and then update your fstab and/or bootloader configuration as appropriate.

>>106209646
If I'm not missing anything, this appears to be what you paste into terminal:
uuid=$(findmnt -no UUID /)
root_id=$(sudo btrfs subvolume list / | awk '$NF == "root" {print $2}')

sudo dnf install snapper python-dnf-plugin-snapper
sudo snapper -c root create-config /
sudo btrfs subvolume delete /.snapshots
sudo mkdir /mnt/btrfs /.snapshots
sudo mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/$uuid /mnt/btrfs
cd /mnt/btrfs
sudo btrfs subvolume create snapshots
cd ~
sudo umount /mnt/btrfs
sudo rmdir /mnt/btrfs
echo "UUID=$uuid /.snapshots btrfs subvol=snapshots,compress=zstd:1 0 0" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
sudo systemctl daemon-reload
sudo mount-a
sudo btrfs subvolume set-default $root_id /
sudo grubby --update-kernel=ALL --remove-args="rootflags=subvol=root"
However, no snapshots are being created after using dnf.

>>106210048
>However, no snapshots are being created after using dnf.
You need to add a hook for that. There's one for Zypper which is what SUSE uses (Who made Snapper) but I don't know if one gets installed for Dnf. Go and look up the documentation for it and your distro. I don't know how Dnf handles pre/post install hooks.

>>106210048
Right, I forgot that the dnf snapper plugin is broken. You have to add the hook yourself https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/getting-snapper-btrfs-assistant-to-work-with-dnf5/133948

>>106209995
>font DPI
This is no longer supported in Plasma 6. 99.9% of people never touch this setting and prefer just setting global display scaling since it scales everything and not just fonts.

I don't think they'll bring it back now that fractional scaling is supported on Wayland. In case your fonts still look a bit off, you're supposed to adjust the actual font size. And in worst case scenario you're supposed to adjust hinting and subpixel rendering if they're not correctly applied for your screen by default.

See: https://discuss.kde.org/t/return-dpi-resolution-adjustments-in-font-settings-support/11860/18

>>106210037
Nta, but there is some guy who cries about your OS being 10GB larger if all your apps are Flatpaks. I assume the logic here is that both are consuming space?
Complaining about either backups or flatpaks makes no sense anyways. Just do whatever you want to do.

Could I run Winamp on Linux? I'm not interested in alternatives or that it's outdated software, I just want to continue using Winamp.

>>106210097
>Nta, but there is some guy who cries about your OS being 10GB larger if all your apps are Flatpaks. I assume the logic here is that both are consuming space?
that's a pretty weak correlation. snapshots aren't needless extra copies of the same files, or extra copies of the same files at all. i doubt he even knows how btrfs snapshots work

>>106210055
>>106210063
Thanks, so the terminal input should be this:
uuid=$(findmnt -no UUID /)
root_id=$(sudo btrfs subvolume list / | awk '$NF == "root" {print $2}')

sudo dnf -y install snapper python-dnf-plugin-snapper libdnf5-plugin-actions

sudo tee /etc/dnf/libdnf5-plugins/actions.d/snapper.actions > /dev/null <<'EOF'
# Get snapshot description
pre_transaction::::/usr/bin/sh -c echo\ "tmp.cmd=$(ps\ -o\ command\ --no-headers\ -p\ '${pid}')"
# Creates pre snapshot before the transaction and stores the snapshot number in the "tmp.snapper_pre_number" variable.
pre_transaction::::/usr/bin/sh -c echo\ "tmp.snapper_pre_number=$(snapper\ create\ -t\ pre\ -p\ -d\ '${tmp.cmd}')"

# If the variable "tmp.snapper_pre_number" exists, it creates post snapshot after the transaction and removes the variable "tmp.snapper_pre_number".
post_transaction::::/usr/bin/sh -c [\ -n\ "${tmp.snapper_pre_number}"\ ]\ &&\ snapper\ create\ -t\ post\ --pre-number\ "${tmp.snapper_pre_number}"\ -d\ "${tmp.cmd}"\ ;\ echo\ tmp.snapper_pre_number\ ;\ echo\ tmp.cmd
EOF

sudo snapper -c root create-config /
sudo btrfs subvolume delete /.snapshots
sudo mkdir /mnt/btrfs /.snapshots
sudo mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/$uuid /mnt/btrfs
cd /mnt/btrfs
sudo btrfs subvolume create snapshots
cd ~
sudo umount /mnt/btrfs
sudo rmdir /mnt/btrfs
echo "UUID=$uuid /.snapshots btrfs subvol=snapshots,compress=zstd:1 0 0" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
sudo systemctl daemon-reload
sudo mount-a
sudo btrfs subvolume set-default $root_id /
sudo grubby --update-kernel=ALL --remove-args="rootflags=subvol=root"
I'll try and see if it works now.

>>106210128
HALLELUJAH! It's working now!

>>106210097
>prefer just setting global display scaling since it scales everything and not just fonts
Yeah, I tried it and unless I stop at 100%, 125%, 150%, etc. everything goes blurry, including even icons. I think I'm gonna ditch Plasma and join the ratpack, or try MATE and Cinnamon, ChatGPT told me they also have font DPI.

Upgrade to Debian 13 fucked my PC and now it just reboots when GRUB appears

>>106210111
probably. but are you sure audacious won't do the job? it can use literal winamp skins. for example;
https://skins.webamp.org/skin/fd88628c9e45962b87489f39cb7f7f9c/ps2k.zip/

>>106210111
There's a Winamp skin for VLC called WinampModern: https://www.videolan.org/vlc/skins.html

So what's the reason that 580.65.06 is still not even in testing repos five whole days after release?
Not even nvidia-all has it.
This is rather unusual.

>>106210359
Oh my bad.
I thought they added betas to testing repo at least, apparently not the case?

>>106210393
I don't think they've ever done that. It should be in the AUR though.

>>106209702
>How else do you propose storing configuration settings?
In an opaque datastore optimized for this use case. Interactions with it should only be allowed through standard APIs.
There should be CLI utilities to allow convenient reading/writing/modifying/verifying any program's settings.
With all the posturing around "muh powerful CLI", Linux lacks basic facilities around querying a stupid setting.
It's inexcusable.

>>106210124
>snapshots aren't needless extra copies of the same files
Sure, but neither are flatpak dependencies. Having 2 versions of the same dependency (how flatpak works) is not the same as having 2 copies of the same version (how appimage works).

>>106210400
>There should be CLI utilities to allow convenient reading/writing/modifying/verifying any program's settings.
There are, unless the program uses a custom config format (most don't do that with some exceptions for server software like Nginx, etc).

If you really want to go all-in on configuration management you use something like Ansible though and make Ansible the single source of truth and it generates config files for you.

>>106210413
>flatpak dependencies
This is a very underrated aspect of Flatpaks, but it's underrated because so many incompetent Flatpaks packagers internalise their dependencies.

>>106210399
Yep you are correct:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-beta
Probably should wait until non-beta release instead of risking fucking something up.

What's a good XFCE based distro I should use?

And is it too early to install Debian in both time of release and that I am a linux newbie?

I am fine with Arch. Should I install Debian 13?

>>106210473
Why are you asking that question if you're fine with it? No.

>>106210468
I have Mint XFCE on my 10 year old mongtop. No complaints, although I don't use it much, it's just for travelling really.

>>106210417
>There are
Name one that works across programs.
>Ansible
That's what I do, but it's extremely retarded. Ansible is a clunky workaround, not a solution.
There is no way to do something like
`$ if [ $(setting-get plasma kiosk_mode) == 'true' ]; then $(setting-set vlc fullscreen='true'); fi`
Neither Ansible, nor any other program can do this for an arbitrary application.

>>106210535
>Name one that works across programs.
There are loads of common parsers for ini, JSON, XML, YAML, etc.

>>106210564
Also a lot of programs are exposing configuration over DBus nowadays so that's an option too for software that exposes that.

btrfs is gay and ext4 is trans

Use zfs

>CachyOS ships both precompiled versions of the close-sourced and open-sourced kernel modules. Due to the development of NVIDIA’s kernel module being out-of-tree and thus does not follow the kernel’s release cadence, the stock configuration can sometimes be incompatible with the latest kernel. As a workaround, CachyOS patches the modules with community-created patches or patches shared by NVIDIA directly.
Do I need to uninstall my proprietary NVIDIA drivers before installing the CachyOS kernel?

>>106210468
>a good XFCE based distro
Archcraft, it's gorgeous. Inb4 some anti-Indian spammer with "saar" bullshit.

>>106210564
Thank you for admitting that there are none.

>CachyOS ships both precompiled versions of the close-sourced and open-sourced kernel modules. Due to the development of NVIDIA’s kernel module being out-of-tree and thus does not follow the kernel’s release cadence, the stock configuration can sometimes be incompatible with the latest kernel. As a workaround, CachyOS patches the modules with community-created patches or patches shared by NVIDIA directly.
Do I need to uninstall my proprietary NVIDIA drivers before installing the CachyOS kernel? This is on Fedora btw

>>106210439
>so many incompetent Flatpaks packagers internalise their dependencies.
I mean, this is true for most software devs. Even a native package will often just have dependencies/3rd party libraries injected into it. That's just more convenient and it causes the least amount of issues for both the user and the developer.
In fact, a lot of proprietary software devs often copy code off of open source libraries (yes, without attribution). This is also technically duplication of dependencies in a way.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter as long as things work and none of this causes an unreasonable amount of extra storage being taken up.

>>106210696
There's loads though?
You mentioned KDE, they all use .ini for their configuration so you can use any .ini parser you want. Or better yet, use those tooling they provide you (kreadconfig/kwriteconfig)

>>106210754
How does kwriteconfig help with Firefox?
Also, have you *tried* running kwriteconfig yourself? What were the results?

>>106210738
>I mean, this is true for most software devs. Even a native package will often just have dependencies/3rd party libraries injected into it
Distro maintainers are meant to ensure this doesn't happen, and there's generally a somewhat open process in pushing these commits

>>106210790
Since when did KDE make Firefox?
Use Mozconfig if you want to configure Firefox. They even have built-in support for enterprise policies.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/customizing-firefox-using-policiesjson

>>106210802
>Distro maintainers are meant to ensure this doesn't happen
Distro maintainers should stick to just packaging the core OS. End user software has no reason to go through them.

Is btrfs raid 5/6 going to work eventually? Do they still work on it?

how do i harden my linux system? it's just a regular computer for mostly just browsing, vidya, movies, music, text editing and video editing.
threats? not much with common sense. but what if a package is infected?

>>106210957
They are working on it:
>raid-stripe-tree:
>

New tree for logical file extent mapping where the physical mapping may not match on multiple devices. This is now used in zoned mode to implement RAID0/RAID1* profiles, but can be used in non-zoned mode as well. The support for RAID56 is in development and will eventually fix the problems with the current implementation. This is a backward incompatible feature and has to be enabled at mkfs time.
https://btrfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Kernel-by-version.html#jan-2024

Note: You're already extremely unlikely to encounter the RAID56 writehole issue. A lot has to go wrong for it to be a problem. If you don't use RAID56 for metadata and always run a scrub immediately after an unsafe power outage then you should be fine.

>>106210701
I personally would. The worst that'd come from uninstalling is having to reinstall again.

>>106210234
Fixed by booting from USB, going to rescue mode and reinstalling GRUB

>>106211016
>what if a package is infected?
I guess you should use a minimal OS as your VM host and use the rest of your software in a VM. Or you could just use QubesOS which is basically that.

>>106210111
As a long years winamp user, I found that audacious is acceptable as an alternative.
Still searching for irfanview.

can someone provide neofetch on Trixie Gnome now. On idle as well as with 2 browser tabs open.

what is the most robust, foolproof way of setting a multiline variable from a command output and then using lines from that variable in other commands in linux shell?
After some googling I set up on this bash only solution:
list=$(command-that-prints-lines | grep "something" | whatever-else)
while read -r line; do
other-command "$line"
done < (printf '%s' "$list")

not only it looks godawful, is bash-only but I also fear it will fail me once I won't be able to separate lines by \n
what is the best possible way to go about it?

>>106211911
It is a list so make an actual array out of the thing with mapfile

>>106211972
>>106211911
For example, you should be able to do something like this:
mapfile list < <(command-that-prints-lines | grep "something" | whatever-else)
for line in "${list[@]}"; do
…
done

>>106211981
>>106211972
there is one problem, busybox's shell ash doesn't have mapfile...

>>106212068
Since you mentioned a Bash only solution I assumed you were using Bash. Yeah, the POSIX shell way of doing a list is to do what you're doing. It's actually a string not a list but we pretend it is anyway and use IFS=$'\n' to iterate over it like you are.

Using KDE on Wayland + nvidia.
I noticed that if I disable DSC on my monitor, while I obviously get a lower refresh rate because it can't handle the bandwidth with no compression, I'll get less random desktop artifacts. I don't know that it is the cause. I'm not happy with nvidia on linux (and apparently the new 580 beta drivers are giving people some serious headaches) but I can use HDMI and without DSC still have it working at a high refresh rate.
Anyways, I heard that there's no solution currently for HDMI 2.1 VRR and all that shit on AMD. Meaning I would have to use Displayport which on my monitor happens to be cucked. If I disable DSC I severely limit its capabilities. So I'm guessing I will have to enable it.
Any issues experienced with the latest series of AMD GPUs in regards to DSC specifically that anyone can point at? On wayland that is. If I switch to another GPU I don't want to be even more miserable, that's all. I don't give a shit about nvidia or AMD, I just want something that works well.

>>106212087
I tried porting some of my scripts to a router running openWRT
also wait, does it mean posix standard doesn't define arrays?

>>106212103
>also wait, does it mean posix standard doesn't define arrays?
Correct.
There are really ugly hacks to emulate them like this:
https://github.com/vaeth/push/
(Fun fact: The eix suite of Portage tools on Gentoo depends on this. I have no idea why they wouldn't just use Bash given Portage needs Bash)

>>106212121
>>106212103
By the way, if you're doing it for OpenWRT specifically then you could use Lua if you wanted to (assuming your build has Luci, etc, then it will have Lua too but some minimal builds won't have this if the flash storage is too small for the device you're using).

>>106211911
Process substitution is basically just shorthand for
mkfifo /tmp/fifo
print_command > /tmp/fifo &
while read -r l; do
...
done < /tmp/fifo
rm /tmp/fifo

You're better off handling multi-line input with an awk script though.

How long does it take to compile on Gentoo with some good CPU nowadays? When people say that the browser compiles for hours I assume it's for old CPUs? I know it has binary stuff too but not for everything.

Recently switched to Plasma (Wayland) and cursor scaling doesn't seem to work in some apps such as Steam and Discord. Does anyone know how to fix this? I never had this issue with 200% scaling on GNOME.

>make script
>it works
>upload it to litterbox
>download on different machine
>right click + "Run In Konsole"
>this happens
Why?

Does clamav connect to the internet or does it do everything locally?

>>106212286
It does all its processing locally, but you have to provide definitions if it can't connect to the internet.

>>106212279
No executable bit set when you download the file so you have to chmod +x it first.

>>106212171
I have an i7-12700k and I don't think there is any single package that takes more than 30 minutes, and that is with using O3 and LTO.
On my old haswell CPU qtwebengine alone took all day

>>106212225
>cursor scaling
Are you using some custom cursor theme? Most of them don't have scaling because they're just 3-5 PNG files of different sizes. Use the official Breeze cursors, they're SVG files so they actually scale.

>>106212326
I see, thanks. Do you still use Gentoo or have you moved on to something else?

https://lore.kernel.org/all/5ip2wzfo32zs7uznaunpqj2bjmz3log4yrrdezo5audputkbq5@uoqutt37wmvp/
>git rm -rf for bcachefs
It is actually over

>>106212583
I still use Gentoo and I see no reason to switch to anything else

>>106212609
He had that coming the moment he pissed off Linus and then kept pissing him off instead of learning his lesson.

If Linus doesn't like you, you're out.

>>106212609
>Oi vey.
Really, Kent?

>>106212662
t.

Would anyone know what gnome's Fragments reports to trackers as? Does it report as Transmission, because then it's useless as current version is banned on some private trackers.

trying to output my cpu temperature to slstatus. where in here should it be?

>on wayland
>copy something with ctrl+c
>close the program
>there's nothing when I ctrl+v
this HAS to be a joke, right?

>>106212774
You are probably using XWayland. This is the behaviour of X11 clients.

>>106212609
Kent is such a fucking diva Jesus Christ.
He keeps saying that he has users depending on him, but so does every other maintainer. He isn't as special as he thinks he is.
And he keeps arguing that other subsystems do this and that, and that they also don't always follow the rules. But he can't seem to grasp that the reason for that might be that the other maintainers have social capital that they can spend to bend the rules sometimes. Meanwhile, his social capital is negative because he keeps being a fucking autist and causing friction for no reason.
I'd actually be interested in trying out bcachefs when it is ready, but he only has himself to blame for all of this.

>>106212400
I'm using Breeze cursors. UI is correctly scaled to 200% but cursor is still at 100% for these apps for some reason.

>>106212804
>for these apps
X11 apps? Are they set to be scaled by the system or? (this setting is under Display Configuration)
Sometimes you need to log out and log back in for X11 apps to update their scaling setting.

>>106212829
I assume Steam and Discord are X11.
>Apply scaling themselves
This is what it's set to and is the default. Letting the system scale by magnifying looks terrible.

>>106212864
>I assume Steam and Discord are X11.
Pretty sure they are. Discord is listed as having a "legacy windowing system" on Flathub.
Steam looks completely fine on my machine with the "Apply scaling themselves" option. I tried going up to 200% and even 225%.
What version of Plasma do you have? I remember having this issue with inconsistent cursor sizes back before Plasma 6, or at the very least before Plasma 6.3.

>>106213004
6.4.4 from Arch stable. The only odd non-default thing I can think of is I'm running SDDM with the wayland greeter.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SDDM#Wayland

>>106212757
I kinda have the same problem, haven't found a solution yet. (to be fair, haven't really searched for one yet, it's low priority)

>>106213004
>>106213040
I had a hunch it might be because I have a ~/.xsettingsd and that appears to have been the case. I renamed it and cursor scaling is now applied properly. I only used it to set font hinting but I guess it still overrides whatever Plasma tries to set itself.

>>106213102
Figured it out, I found the temps in /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon*

>>106213124
I have one entry for k10temp there, which should be my cpu, with only 2 values.
Well, that at least explains why btop shows the same temp for all cores all the time.
Will have to look into it more.

>>106206998
backblaze

every time i check this general because im thinking of swapping to linux ill see shit like >>106210048 and realise im years away from migrating

>>106211911
Do you absolutely need to have it in a variable? You can just directly feed the output to the loop

while read -r line; do
other-command "$line"
done < <(command-that-prints-lines | grep "something" | whatever-else)

>echo $(echo a)
prints a
>(echo a)
prints a
>echo $((17))
prints 17
>((17))
does NOT print 17.

why is that?

>>106213302
All you gotta do is paste that whole block of text into the terminal and it configures itself. That said, there is a clerical error in it: sudo mount-a should be sudo mount -a

>>106213302
I've never done anything like that in decades of using linux.

>>106212609
good.
if bfcachefs still has bugs on the "somehow, the data is irrecoverably lost" level it shouldn't be in the kernel at all, fuck that noise

>>106213302
I use Ubuntu (because it just works) and I've never had to do weird snapshot stuff like that

>>106213648
Every filesystem gets those. Don't upgrade kernels if you don't want data loss risk from software.

Overstreet just strikes me as flakey though. He made bcache, which was known to have issues. Then promised to fix it in bcachefs and backport, and we all see how that's going. Meanwhile dm/lvm and zfs have had working cache for aeons and nobody talks about it because no YouTube coverage or something.

>>106213319
~ $ ((0))
~ $ echo $?
1
(()) is a C style arithmetic conditional statement. Shell scripting makes more sense if you're a used to doing systems programming in C.

>>106213302
This thread is for normies and non-normies alike, anon. You'll see people do CLI shit and you'll also see people say "I just installed Bazzite/Mint and I just use the GUI and everything works lmao".

>>106205258 (OP)
Why there's no 6.16 and 25.2 in arch linux yet? Arch Linux is now Debian stable the hell is going on?

>>106206781
>>106207153
He probably has a garbage router. What is your router?

Does anyone here have experience using some DAWs on linux?
I'm used to using ableton after my time on windows and especially because thats the one I have a license for. I can get it to run through rigging with lutris but I can't get VST plugins installed.

>>106214668
If you really want, you can install linux and mesa with downgrade.
I was surprised when I discovered this.

>>106214668
Arch Linux is actually tested and not bleeding edge. Hence why it doesn't break often. Shocking, isn't it?

Hello
I'm a Linux newbie and also am trying to follow this guide here
https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Debian-Ubuntu
But am failing at that part about repository keys and gpg. Tried to follow other guides and I assume it botched things further. Now when I try it the terminal tells that a 'winhq-archive.key' already exists and gpg didn't find OpenPGP data. Halp

>>106214945
For what software do you need Wine for?

been planning to try booting without the bootloader, cause fuck grub
Should I even bother with using an efistub? Arch provides kernels that are already valid for it, but UKI seems not much harder to set up with mkinitcpio and pacman hooks.
Is it any better? Got a few harmless bug messages on boot while trying it previously (related to the nvidia drivers I guess), so not sure if it affects boot time.

>>106214995
Some stuff from work. Actually, I didn't even check yet if there already are ports of them for Unix-based systems
Anyways, there will always be a shady and forgotten program for wine to run, I assume, so here am I

>>106215001
Have you tried systemd-boot? This has been offered in Arch for a while now

>>106215027
Yea. It's decent, but again, kinda want to try out using bootloaderless setul.

>>106214945
>https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Debian-Ubuntu
You could just skip all the headache and use Bottles
https://flathub.org/apps/com.usebottles.bottles

It's best to not add any PPAs/repositories to Debian/Ubuntu systems, you literally risk breaking the OS after a major upgrade.

>>106215022
For work? Why are you punishing yourself like this?

>>106215027
Yeah. It's decent, but again, kinda want to try out using bootloaderless setup.

>>106215070
Can I install Bottles after the incomplete mess that I just did?
>>106215115
Oh come on anon, Windows 10 is at its final breath and I thought this would be a perfect chance to make the jump. Don't scare me back to /fwt/ this soon

>>106215181
>Can I install Bottles after the incomplete mess that I just did?
Yeah, it's a completely isolated thing.

>>106215001
uki should just be efi-stub + extras, all in one file. It doesn't matter that much, unless you want to fiddle with secure boot.

>>106215225
Alright, thank you anon, Godspeed

does Touhou run well on linux?

>>106215181
If it's for work, your employer should provide you with the hardware for it, hence it's his machine, hence you can't install a different OS on it.

>>106215684
protondb.com
appdb.winehq.com

>>106215734
*winehq.org

Is Ubuntu most user friendly kind? like the easiest one?
All i want is just, install it, do easy set up and just use it, all i do on my pc for many years now is just opening documents, internet browser, youtube everyday and i do play a game on a browser on two screens everyday as well. Thats all i do wiw my 32gb of ram lol
Im tired of windows doing something in the background if i leave pc idle for more then 15-20 minutes, when i get back browser barely loads anything including my game, its getting on my nerves hard....I remember cutting out onedrive kidneys out of windows, but after few months it found itself a cure and its back again doing something even if i didnt sign on it anymore, windows is done for me, i cant cure sudden lags without a restart.
Come back from work, turn on pc, they disable mouse and start downloading updates..., restart pc, they disable audio... im tired of this shit...
If i switch to linux on my machine, how hard is to find something like graphics drivers? because pretty much all i need is OS letting me play game on browser lol

>>106215767
Ubuntu will be fine for you.

>>106215767
>, how hard is to find something like graphics drivers?
depends on your gpu

okay I am done, I tried setting up samba logging and I am on the edge..
I just want it to be a log showing who authenticated onto which share, what files did they access/create and if there were any errors/failures to authenticate
smbd gives me either nothing or everything at once, the most detailed, unreadable debug information straight into my log
how do I do it?

>>106215767
>how hard is to find something like graphics drivers?
Like >>106215911 said, it depends on your GPU.

For NVIDIA, Canonical will package them for you.
For AMD, you just have to upgrade the Linux kernel (Ubuntu has deb packages of the mainline kernel or you can compile it yourself) and use a Mesa backport PPA.

Upgrading your GPU drivers shouldn't really be done unless you're experiencing problems or you have to do it for newer hardware support.

>>106205258 (OP)
updated to trixie just now,
and woaah, shiny new apt graphix.

>>106215855
>>106215911
>>106215938
Thank you guys, downloading now

>>106215684
Depends, i've had issues with massive CPU usage running the older games but vpatch fixed the issue (running through proton btw). Also mods will probably not work.
>>106215767
Yes, but Mint is also good.

Thoughts on Omarchy by 37signals?

>>106215767
In terms of ease of use, Bazzite is currently the easiest. Ubuntu is definitely not beginner friendly.

>>106210818
We were talking about a program, or a way, not a-program-per-program.
Learn to read.

>>106216211
I'm not sure how you expect every single program to co-ordinate with each other?

What's the least painful stable diffusion setup for Arch Linux on AMD? Particularly with a newer 9070. I keep getting mixed results from other places.

>>106209488
Testing further and it turns out its the monitor that stops it. It only works when the monitor is on.

>>106216205
>Ubuntu
>not beginner friendly.

>>106216302
Gee, if only someone would have explained exactly how this should work, a few posts before your inane replies...
That'd be mighty wonderful!

>>106216349
Here's what I did:
pacman -S rocm-ml-sdk
python3.12 -m venv ./venv

. ./venv/bin/activate
pip install wheel
pip3 install --pre torch torchvision torchaudio --index-url https://download.pytorch.org/whl/rocm6.2
Newer versions may be available now. That python 3.12 is from aur.

After that, Comfy and others should be straightforward.

>>106216462
Your expectation is a fantasy. You won't get every single program to come to a single agreement regarding configuration just because this is the "perfect" way to do so in your mind.

What you will get is standard configuration formats and tooling you can use. It won't be universal but it doesn't need to be because presumably you know which commands to call to handle which configuration format.

>>106216624
>pacman -S rocm-ml-sdk
Oh I should ahve specified. I was asking which among comfy/automatic1111/etc people recommended for that situation. But thanks m8. That'll probably save me some headaches when I start on it tomorrow.

>>106213974
I understand. I am familiar with the c/c++.
My point is:
the dollar sign in front of the parenthesis places the output of what's in the parenthesis into the command. This must mean the output of ((17)) is "17".
But then why isn't the output "17" printed like the output "a" of (echo a) is?

>>106216721
tough to say, comfy is complex but offers a lot of flexibility, the other option is reforge or forge? That should be way easier to get into, check the stable diffusion threads which one to go for. 1111 seems to have fallen out of favor.

>>106216748
It doesn't return anything it just does the calculation.
i=1
echo $((i++)
# 1
i=1
((i++))
echo "$i"
# 2

>>106216748
Clearly familiar doesn't mean competent or you'd understand what this is for.
>This must mean the output of ((17)) is "17".
Think about command substitution syntax for a moment.

>>106216858
Side effects from the statement also carry forward like C, but that's a dumb way to use it because it causes scripts to randomly break with set -e

Howdy /g/niggers! I’m trying to reinstall Arch Linux right now, and I had it working last night but this morning I reflashed the iso with dd and started over. Nothing has changed, but now after systemd-boot on the install media, when I try to boot into the install installer UEFI I get a black screen and the laptop just shuts off. I’ve tried nomodeset, blacklisting nvidia, different flash drivers, different usb port, fucking everything.

The only thing I can think happened is some corrupted firmware shit.

Some info:
It’s an hp spectre, yes I’ve disabled secure boot, it has an iGPU and an nvidia GPU, I highly suspect this as the culprit but who fucking knows.

Please help me I’m at my wits end with this shit kek

>>106217471
Nvm somehow it just fucking fixed itself, this time I don’t know what I did. Thanks for your attention to this matter

so guys i currently have both root and home on an old SATA SSD. I have an nvme drive and i can't decide how is best to use it. I kinda want to move home to it, but im not sure if i would benefit from it at all. And as far as i understand i can't really move root, i would have to reinstall the system is that correct? What do you think i should do?

>>106216435
What is the user-friendly way to install a non-shite version of Firefox

>>106217673
What is wrong with the Firefox snap?

>>106217779
That you instantly deduced what I was talking about, and that getting a superior alternative has been intentionally made user-unfriendly, shows that Ubuntu is in fact user-unfriendly.

>>106217673
>non-shite version of Firefox

>>106205258 (OP)
Sup boys. Dualbooting Fedora silverblue cause my windows keeps committing suicide every 3 weeks. I have my Fedora on an external 250gb SSD.

Today I tried booting and it was fine until I connected my external screen (HDMI TV) then it completely freezes. Last thing I did was update it like a week ago. It seems to work just fine with the laptop's screen so I am not too worried. But is there something that I should know about recent updates?

My GPU is a Nvidia 4060 laptop version and I saw that some new mesa drivers were out but I have no Idea if they were rolled out or if I should try installing them myself or what the hell.

>>106217970
I don't think mesa is for NVIDIA

>move folder with 500 images (60mb) to another drive
>Cpu usage goes up by 10% & baloo index writes 10gb

Any reason to use Bazzite when I can just install Fedora and all the necessary packages/programs needed for games (which isnt all that much if all you want is your games to run properly while Bazzite comes with tons of bloat I would never touch)? Even fucking MH WIlds, which is a technical fucking MESS runs pretty good on base Fedora with recent Mesa and just Proton experimental. I dont really get why everyone shills Bazzite.

>>106205258 (OP)
I have played with linux for a fair few years now, ive just installed it on my laptop with the intention of daily driving. What should i install and how do i make linux mint look nicer like your guys.

>>106218277
Why don't you try just being happy someone is using linux rather than bitching about which linux they are using?

>>106218277
It's just one schizo. Atomic distros are mostly solution in search of problem.

>unable to open nomacs because it couldn't find shared library "libopencv_imgproc.so"
i just did yay -S nomacs and rebuilt from source and it's working again, but i'm curious: is there a better way to have solved this issue?

>>106217812
Uh huh, that's real cool and all but you didn't answer my question: what is wrong with the Firefox snap?

>>106217970
check the logs, its better than blind guesses
journalctl

>>106207182
>>106209269
I finally got it working through steam.

two weeks using wayland
everything is still more difficult to do, a bunch of things have extra steps, and I see no improvement whatsoever.
I think trying to fix whatever is causing X to crash when I idle my screen is a much better use of my time.

Oh and fractional, per monitor scaling is actually worse, not better than hacking it with X dpi and virtual resolution, which actually surprised me

>>106217368
>Clearly familiar doesn't mean competent or you'd understand what this is for.
y-you're so mean!!
>Think about command substitution syntax for a moment.
No. We're DONE. Thinking about command substitution syntax is what got me asking this question in the first place.

>that's a dumb way to use it
how else am I supposed to fulfill my arithmetic needs?? Like this?
((i++)) ||:

>>106219013
i=$((i+1))

>>106219034
thanks but my syntax is clearly superior.
>replied instantly
Don't you have someone else to waste your time bullying?

Imagine a world without frogposters...

>>106219115
no, it's too beautiful i'll cry

Any recommendations for window manager for wayland? I have tried sway and hyprland and niri, niri is the only one I can tolerate.

>>106219245
i like i3 therefore i find sway, its wayland clone, neat enough

>>106210473
On a spare computer to kick the tires? Sure.
On your main machine? No.
t. Trixie enjoyer
>>106211140
have a pic-related (You)
>>106211719
https://brew.sh still offers it
obviously homebrew isn’t as useful for Trixie as it was for 12

>>106213302
all you need to do is not care about btrfs and you’ll never have to do anything like that
>>106215997
apt update seems a bit different but I can’t put my finger on what changed
>>106216180
I’m a Debian guy but it’s worth trying if you think it might be your kind of thing
dhh has taste

>>106219245
I'm keeping an eye on CwC. The latest git version is usable (just got a dwl ipc plugin so you can just use dwl modules in waybar) but it's still going through some early growing pains and your config might break with updates. It's basically a wayland version of awesomewm, and everything is configured in lua.

Is Debian beginner friendly?
And I when I say "beginner" I mean "still scared of Terminal" levels of proficiency.

>>106219785
No, go with Ubuntu or better one of its derivatives.

>>106219887
That's what I thought.
What's your opinion on Linux Mint Debian Edition?

I'm having issues with Ubuntu now. It had been a smooth ride since the start over a year ago, but I've started using my spare laptop with Ubuntu 24 on it and Firefox keeps acting up. Occasionally, it won't take text inputs at all, preventing me from typing anything. I eventually figured out that restarting the browser fixes the issue, but I didn't have this before. I'm not seeing errors at startup, I have my computer set to be "verbose" during boot.
No weird mods to the OS, just straight forward apt/snap/flatpack installs for everything. I haven't tinkered with any system parameters or settings in a long time.

I'm guessing an update borked something, is it fixable?

>>106219934
>but I've started using my spare laptop with Ubuntu 24 on it
I meant, I started using it again after 4 months of no use or so.

>>106219785
Debian has no "app store" so you have to
apt install $SOFTWARE
when you want $SOFTWARE.
>still scared of Terminal
Never understood this, it's not like everything in it is some kind of hacker kung-fu type of gurumastering.
The app store thing is still largely unknown in the Linux world so try to tune in to the idea of typing something when installing new software. (imagine not trying out something like EndeavourOS just because of that)
>>106218228
>writes 10gb
Writes 10GB of files to ~/.cache or what?

>>106219919
Even older packages than regular edition, especially now that its last release was 2 years ago and the next one is coming within 1-2 months, otherwise it's the same solid distro.

>>106219983
Just to clarify, I am not scared of Terminal in the "oh no, I might break my system!" kind of way, I am scared in the "I don't understand where this thing is pulling things from when I install something, how do I know it's safe?" kind of way.
...I realize that is probably even dumber.

>>106219985
Yeah, I'm thinking about checking LMDE 7 when that comes out. "Gigi" sounds cute.

I don't know how exactly, but I think Windows fucked up my grub boot entry. I never had the drives connected concurrently, so I'm assuming it's some Windows UEFI fuckery.

I fixed it however. Yippee!

What a faggot Windows is.

>>106220062
learn to read man page, or give u a shortcut, tldr [command]. hell, even just ask chatgpt about shit you want to do. what do you think a lot of gui applications do under the hood? its all fucking terminal commands. fucking retard.

>>106220095
Why the hostility Anon?
I thought I was in the Friendly GNU/Linux thread.

>>106220062
>where this thing is pulling things from
Look at your /etc/apt/sources.list file and /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory.
Achtually the files could be hosted anywhere by anyone as the packages are cryptographically signed anyway.

>>106220062
>I am scared in the "I don't understand where this thing is pulling things from when I install something
its always the repositories you have enabled. If you havent touched anything then its only the official one(s) and thus its safe. Hiding this behind a GUI wont make it any safer, the same actions have to be performed under the hood.

>>106220122
>>106220134
That makes sense.
Yeah, I haven't messed at all with any important settings so I everything I can install must come from the official repositories then, thanks for the explanation.

>>106219983
>Writes 10GB of files to ~/.cache or what?
I don't know, presumably? I only know that it's writing to the OS drive through system monitor/mission center. How would I check?

>>106208866
Easiest way would probably be Xfce with the quinx theme (I think it's still included in xfwm4-themes), you'd have to mess around with the panels to get something similar but it's doable

>>106218332
>What should i install
mpv and yt-dlp if you haven't already
>how do i make linux mint look nicer
try out some themes, install pywal
https://www.pling.com/u/elbullazul
https://www.pling.com/browse?cat=135&ord=rating

>>106216435
It's not. You're delusional.

>>106220659
Can you explain how it's not beginner friendly?

>>106218277
>when I can
Sure, maybe you yourself can. But most users don't know how to set up Fedora nor would they want to. Most people just want an OS that works ootb. Fedora simply isn't this, while Bazzite is.
Also, they do a lot more user-friendly shit ootb that pretty much no other distro does.
This is like being confused why people prefer installing literally anything else over Gentoo or even Arch.

>>106217812
The Firefox snap is fine, but there are ways to install alternatives and they're not very difficult

>>106220671
I can give you the two major immediate issues users will face with Ubuntu.

1. Users are being pushed into using LTS, which is not a suitable release schedule for desktop users.
2 years without any feature updates (which are often critical to users) is one of the main reasons why we have Snaps, Flatpaks, Appimages.
Meanwhile, there are more useful Flatpaks than Snaps (and most users prefer Flatpaks to Snaps), yet Flatpak/Flathub is not set-up by default because of Canonical's autism about Snaps. Not to mention Snaps auto-update and (at least last time I used them) you couldn't even turn this off and there wasn't any indicator that anything is being updated unless you open your task manager, so you're just sitting there with your network throttled for apparently no reason.
Ubuntu LTS being pushed to desktop users is also a reason why people are adding PPAs and then literally breaking their OS when it updates to the next version. Any OS which has a major risk of bricking itself after a system update is absolutely not beginner friendly.

2. GNOME has historically never been an intuitive DE, yet users are pushed into it by default.
You can say "hurr durr just take an extra couple of clicks to get to Kubuntu non-LTS or whatever", but that literally proves my point. A beginner needs the least amount of branching/hidden clicks to get to the most ideal OS. You can't expect an average person to randomly intuit what the fuck LTS is and what the fuck a DE is, and which they'd prefer.

I mean, the major reason why Mint is as popular as it is, especially among new users and beginners, is because it improves the immediate UX. And this is despite the fact it has similar flaws.
Ubuntu just requires too much prior knowledge and/or experience with tech to be a suitable beginner-friendly OS. It's only friendly to "beginners" who are fine with learning and troubleshooting. Something that's "set it and forget it" like Bazzite is infinitely better and it's not even close.

>>106220718
>they're not very difficult
They are very difficult for a beginner since they at first need to know this is a thing and required to do just to not get a snap.
That apt just installs snaps on its own is a dick move

>>106220834
Still with this bullshit, that always goes with users need their flatpak nonsense and bazzite is the "solution"...

>>106221399
Flatpaks are better than Snaps

Why can't I drag a downloaded file from Firefox to my desktop? Is this Wayland being retarded?

>>106221399
>counter arguments: 0

>>106216659
>Your expectation is a fantasy
That's what the werey saying about a decent init system, yet here we are.

>>106217673
It comes with the latest Firefox preinstalled, genius.

>>106221408
For example, Flatpak can install system services and CLI apps, whereas Snap can only handle GUI apps.
Also, Snap installs a copy of each Nvidia runtime version, while Flatpak is more efficient and only installs one version, leading to gigabytes of wasted space.

>>106221519
You won't ever get multiple hundred or thousand line programs to all agree on using a single configuration system. At best you can build adapters (using the standard tooling for the standard formats they use).

>>106221573
>average desktop user
>system services and CLI apps

>>106221519
>That's what the werey saying about a decent init system, yet here we are.
True. Same is happening to Wayland now and same will happen to Flatpak in a few years. Your standardized Linux distro will be Linux/systemd/Wayland/Flatpak.

>>106221584
>You won't ever get multiple hundred or thousand line programs to all agree on using a single [init/sound/windowing] system.
It adopts the new configuration system or else it gets the hose again.

>>106221658
>yt-dlp is not used by average users
Flatpak is a joke and development is pretty much stalled. The fact that it can't install CLI programs like yt-dlp says all you need to know about Flatpak.
It's not dead, it's a dead end.

>>106206678

maybe user is assumed afk as locked screen or display unpowered

>>106221684
If you want a single configuration system then the best you can probably do right now is Nix (the package manager basically uses its own domain specific language to configure everything and has a bunch of adapters to write out the config file properly. Some people even use it to manage their dotfiles in their home folder, etc).

>>106221693
>yt-dlp is not used by average users
That's absolutely correct. An average user is using a GUI which uses yt-dlp in background, or is opening the first website result after googling "Youtube video download online".

>>106221693
Skill issue:
$ flatpak run --command=yt-dlp io.mpv.Mpv

Usage: yt-dlp [OPTIONS] URL [URL...]

yt-dlp: error: You must provide at least one URL.
Type yt-dlp --help to see a list of all options.

>>106209557

what happens if you write your email address to password field?

>>106221700
>Nix
It's retarded to use or even suggest Nix for this purpose. It's no better than Ansible or plain Jinja in this regard.
Nix can't interact with the configuration in any way, it can only overwrite config files.

>>106221719
It's meant to be the single-source of truth so if you want to get/set something then you do it in your Nix definitions (which you can presumably manipulate programmatically too?).

I agree though, yes, it's overrated.

After sshing into my debian server I got the usual blurb but this time followed by "You have new mail."

What does it mean? Have I been hacked? Am I being blackmailed?
Im scared. I use Linux specifically so I don't have to deal with this bullshit.

I dont think I told it to give me a mailbox.

>>106210111

glorious musiikkimaija moggs your lossless compressed music

>>106221733
It's from cron or something else. You can disable the MTA and Cron daemon and switch to Systemd Cron instead (which Debian should have done ages ago).

>>106221693
>development is pretty much stalled
>It's not dead, it's a dead end.
>meanwhile, more and more distros and people are moving to it as the primary or only source of software
Maybe it's not the development that stalled, maybe it's just finally complete or nearly complete.

>>106221756
It's not even stalled. I don't know what he's talking about.

Would you describe something with active commits 4 days ago, 5 days ago and a week ago as stalled? I wouldn't.

https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/commits
https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/commits
https://github.com/containers/bubblewrap/commits

>>106221776
I assume he means they aren't pushing as much code as they used to and this somehow means it's abandonware.

>>106215684

you do not mention oss in touhou

>>106221802
I guess so, if you ignore all of the active deployments and constant releases and upkeep. It doesn't really need any more work doing to it, all of their focus now is on things like the USB Portal (https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/blob/main/doc/usb-portal.md).
It doesn't mean development is stalled though, it just means it's happening elsewhere because the Flatpak CLI doesn't need a huge amount of work doing to it.

>>106221802
>>106221776
No, what stalled means is that longstanding issues go unaddressed for years and nothing is being done to address them.
Just one example:
https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/issues/2718

>>106221851
Don't expect them to fix NVIDIA's mess. Ideally this would go away entirely and NVIDIA would make their userspace usable regardless of the version of the kernel driver in-use (i.e just like Mesa works, to a certain extent it doesn't care what version of AMDGPU you're using, etc, you can have multiple parallel versions of the Mesa user-space loaded and in-use and they can all be different versions and everything will work just fine)

I've installed Arch and decided on dwm+dmenu+st for wm. I've been tinkering with it the whole weekend and I think I have all of the basic functionalities done, but some things elude me and I'll ask questions here so who is in the mood can answer (disclaimer: I already googled all of these questions but the answers either didn't fix the issue or i simply didn't understand it):
1) How do I control display brightness?
2) How do I assign default apps for certain file extensions?
3) Flameshot searches for my second monitor to the right of the main one, but it's actually on the left. How do make it see the proper configuration?
4) What's a good file manager, on the minimal side? I've tried nnn but that's too minimal for me.
5) What image viewer would you recommend?

>>106221863
>>106221851
And yes, that's the only reason they keep them there. It's so you can downgrade your driver on the host and your Flatpak's won't break.

If NVIDIA could fix their user space to not be so tightly coupled to the kernel driver then they could keep only the latest driver installed.

>>106221872
>1) How do I control display brightness?
brightnessctl
>2) How do I assign default apps for certain file extensions?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xdg-utils#xdg-mime

>>106221851
>https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/issues/2718
>If you have flatpak 1.15.7+ then "flatpak update" will remove them.

i want to leave arch for good. gentoo or guix?

>>106222040
ubuntu

>>106222040
Literally why. If you're leaving Arch then use Gentoo instead.

>>106222040
When people mature and abandon Arch it's always Gentoo or NixOs

how to troubleshoot gnome suspend action not working on debian 13.? systemd suspend -i works fine

>>106222237
>NixOs
What's the deal with NixOs?
I heard of the name but never figured out what's its gimmick.

>>106222419
0 dependency issues forever, rarely breaks and it's easy to revert changes if it does (no need for time shift), very reproducible if you want the same setup on multiple PCs. It's like having arch and not having to worry about things breaking.

>>106222524
>0 dependency issues forever
This is already solved by Appimages and Flatpaks, anon.

>>106222524
>0 dependency issues forever
That's not really something to be proud of when you no longer know which version of a library any particular piece of software is using and bundle 50 million potentially insecure/unpatched versions of OpenSSL, etc, to make it work.

It is clever though, but still not a proper solution for updating all of the library dependencies in software. Upstream should still fix their shit.

>>106222561
>when you no longer know which version of a library any particular piece of software is using and bundle 50 million potentially insecure/unpatched versions of OpenSSL, etc, to make it work.
Pretty much nobody cares about this

>>106205440
He looks exactly like my friend 1:1 holy shit it's creepy.

>>106222579
>Pretty much nobody cares about security
We know. Other distros have policies around library versions and will give the boot any software that doesn't update their shit.

>Kwin commits suicide on login when I try to update for a whole month
>People already submitted bug reports for it
>still not fixed

>>106222553
You don't have both for everything.

>>106222598
Probably no urgent need to fix it when KWin is capable of restarting itself anyway.

>>106222608
It does a crash loop until Kwin just stays off.

>>106222611
That sounds like something else is wrong with your system. That shouldn't happen.

>>106222621
I see other people having the same problem on KDE's bugtracker and my distro's git.

>>106205258 (OP)
I want to switch to Linux because i have enough of Windows bullshit but i have one requirement and that is Arma Reforger needs to run as it runs on Windows. I was scrolling trough the protondb and looks like only few users on Arch Linux are capable running it without any significant problems. I literally don't care about other games or programs it's just this one because i play it with my friends.

I have tried Mint and it was unplayable even after fixing grass glitching still performance was bad. I tried CachyOS but it nuked my configuration for X and i didn't even tried to fix it. So im thinking about Arch but to be honest is there some good guide and no im going to install it without arch install i don't wanna fucking die i just want to install this and play with it later maybe.

>>106222621
>>106222628
By "something else", I mean the only way it could loop like that is if KWin fails to start in the first place which is indicative of deeper underlying problem somewhere preventing it from starting.

It is definitely a problem specific to your distribution whatever it is.

>>106222631
EndeavorOS is literally arch with a nice installer. If cachyos didn't work then I doubt that arch/endeavor will either. Mint is shit for gaming.

>>106222663
Thanks will try EndeavorOS.

>>106222631
>want to switch to Linux
>thinking about Arch
Why the fuck?
>literally don't care about other games or programs
Just use Bazzite. Arch is an OS for tinkerers and so is EndeavourOS since it's ultimately just Arch with a GUI installer.

>>106219548
packages to be added removed are now tabled as files with ls are instead of one impenetrable wall of text, and are colour-coded.
log messages have been reformatted and rewritten
the progress bar used by apt looks neater now

any themes that look like apple's liquid glass

Is there a way to transfer files from linux to this adult toy?

>>106223254
KDE Connect should work, no?

>>106222848
already trying EndeavorOS if this will not work ill try Bazzite.

>>106222848
What's there to tinker with Arch? It's a basic binary distribution.

>>106223295
No

>>106223254
Syncthing?

>>106223301
Please tell if Endeavor worked or not

>>106223329
It's linux to ipad.

>>106223254
Use SFTP via one of the file manager apps for the toy that supports it.

>>106223334
Yup i will just have to try everything i can then i write if yes or nope.

>>106223313
>What's there to tinker with Arch?
I hope you're not serious when asking this.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Frequently_asked_questions
>The distribution is intended to fill the needs of those contributing to it, rather than trying to appeal to as many users as possible.
>It is targeted at the proficient GNU/Linux user, or anyone with a do-it-yourself attitude who is willing to read the documentation, and solve their own problems.
>Upon installation, only a command-line environment is provided; rather than tearing out unneeded and unwanted packages, the user is offered the ability to build a custom system
>You may not want to use Arch, if: you do not have the ability/time/desire for a 'do-it-yourself' GNU/Linux distribution, you believe an operating system should configure itself, run out of the box, and include a complete default set of software and desktop environment on the installation media.

Even by their own words they're not trying to be an easy to use distribution and are aiming for the tinkerer audience. That's literally the whole point of the OS.

New thread >>106223592

>>106223334
So yeah on EndeavorOS with wayland and defualt settings ARMA:Reforger pretty much works out of box no changes just settings and i got 70 FPS on vanilla and 40-50 FPS on modded so almost same or close like on windows.

>>106223597
Thanks for reporting, interesting that it doesn't work on CachyOs but does on EndevaorOS.

>>106223609
But i didn't even get to play on CachyOS since i did system update and it nuked my Xconf. I didn't had chance to even try it properly. I only tried Mint and it was shit on mint.

>>106223609
Probably just because Endeavour defaults to the default Linux kernel unlike Cachy and its tweaked by default one.

>>106223339
It doesn't allow pdfs.

>>106223661
Then use something that does allow PDFs. Or just upload the shit to Google Drive and download it if you're too much of a zoomer tard to figure out how to transfer files from one machine to another.

If you're really struggling then you can spin up a web server with python3 -m http.server then navigate to it in Safari and download your PDF.

>>106223661
Looking around it seems a site called Snapdrop can be used to move files between a Linux PC and an iPad.

>>106223752
>one machine to another.
ipad isn'ta machine.
It's toy os at best.
>>106223784
Thanks man.
It's blocked by UBO though?

>>106223943
Actually looks like that was terrible info because Snapdrop looks like cancer these days.
A good fork of it called Pairdrop exists, along with another one called Localsend.

>>106223987
>self hosted
Nice
When did transfering files become this retarded?
Even between linux and windows there isn't this much lockdown.

>>106221718
Disallowing passwordless remote logins is a good thing
Windows has done this forever
Try SSHing from your Debian machine to your Debian machine, see what happens

>>106224037
I'd say it's just because Mac ecosystems are annoying when it comes to locking themselves down in some ways.
And there's always the choice of uploading said files to a cloud service then just downloading them again.

>>106221733
your system is trying to tell you something
`man mail` to find out how to work the built-in mail app
not sure how to set up Evolution to check your email inbox

>>106224037
You just SFTP with a non-shit app to whatever they were using that doesn't allow PDFs.

When I used an iPhone (I don't anymore because Android is better. I know that now) I used to use an app called Transmit. They stopped developing it for iOS now though but at its time it was one of the best SFTP clients for iOS:
https://panic.com/blog/the-future-of-transmit-ios/

>>106223254
I use Möbius Sync for Syncthing
There’s also Secure ShellFish, an ssh-and-Files-atop-sftp app

>>106223254
Oh, and I also use and recommend Working Copy if your idea of file transfer is “have a Git repo somewhere”

>>106224051
>And there's always the choice of uploading said files to a cloud service then just downloading them again.
I hate how normalizing this as valid solution

>>106224066
iOS doesn't allow SSH.

>>106224073
WHat is this? iOS 6?

>>106224183
There are plenty of SSH (CLIENTS) available for iOS. They're trying to transfer from iOS to Linux or Linux to iOS (via iOS), not iOS to Linux (headlessly).

>>106224225
remember when you could just connect your device and transfer files?

>>106224486
I think you can still do this with libimobiledevice, it's just that this library is the shittest thing in existence and Apple keeps breaking it:
https://opensource.com/article/21/8/libimobiledevice-iphone-linux

>>106224625
You're better of running a windows VM with iTunes

>>106224625
>last release 2020