Thread 106211906

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 14400F budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards. Issues still reported & latest BIOS doesn't protect new CPUs.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.
ASUS WOLED with TrueBlack Glossy film launched (XG32UCWMG, XG32UCWG). Limited availability.

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

should i eat rice for a month to afford 9800x3d or just get a 7800x3d

>>106211986
You've got to keep your immune system healthy, get the 7800X3D.

>>106211986
Go for lentils and splurge on a mobo too

>>106211906 (OP)
wtf these budget options are too expensive for me
t. third worlder

>>106212116
was already going to get a decent mobo (b850m mortar)
>>106212000
i will eat eggs too occasionally and some random fruit

>Me when Nvidia chads are playing any video game they want with dlss4 but when I want to play a game OptiScaler just crashes it.

Going to return it and buy a 5070ti fuck it idc anymore

>>106212134
PC building is now a bougie hobby. Sorry.

>Seasonic Focus GX-1000 V4 ATX 3.1 - 1000w - 80 Plus Gold @ 200€
is this good? I don't see seasonic mentioned much in the link the OP. I just trust the brand

>>106212157
is this a shill post

What's the cheapest CPU I can get with 3D Cache? I want to replace my Ryzen 5 3500X

>>106212174
SeaSonic sells reliable PSUs, and high-end units aren't specified in the OP because PSU manufacturers are in the process of developing safer ones.
https://seasonic.com/insights/seasonic-optiguard-for-gpu/
https://seasonic.com/insights/seasonic-optiguard-technology/

>>106212201
no

>>106212228
so should I wait for these new PSUs to be out? I don't plan on building my pc right away

>>106212213
5600X3D, 5700X3D, 5800X3D.

>>106212213
You're too late for 5800X3D and cheap 5700X3D, so probably 7800X3D.

>>106212213
too late, buy a 265k.

>>106212263
>so should I wait for these new PSUs to be out?
SeaSonic hasn't given an official launch date for these upgraded Prime PSUs.
Just don't overpay for something you might regret.
Focus is their more mainstream brand, Prime is the premium line. Vertex is the in-between one.

>>106212228
pretty cool if they can pull it off and not charge a $200 premium over regular psus
way cheaper than buying an assus 5080/5090 asstral with current monitoring, and this will have active protection to boot

>>106212228
I thought you said the 12vhpwr is safe enough for even dell to use and thus this isn't necessary

>>106212201
Yes, but he is technically correct.

>>106212263
Wait anyway for the Zen6 and 60 series/UDNA.

>>106212228
They will change the standard next gen. Only because they hate people making money off their mistakes.

>>106212314
>12vhpwr is safe enough for even dell to use
This hasn't changed. Dell is still selling prebuilt Alienware gaming PCs with the full 600W available for a 5090.

>thus this isn't necessary
No one needs a SeaSonic PSU.
But if you're planning to pay the SeaSonic premium, you might as well pay for the most up-to-date version.

Completed it on Intel Arc.
Xbox 360 game.

>>106212134
If you want an actual budget option, check ebay for used laptops. You should be able to get one with a 1660ti or 1060, maybe even a 2060, for under $300.
I got a Legion Y545 for $220 with charger to bring with me to work. It runs Battlefield 6 on lowest settings, 1080p60fps.

>>106211906 (OP)
What's up with AMD driver???
I've been using the 24 version for a while now because I have a problem with the 25 version because for some reason, it often crash when I Alt+tab out of the video games, so I had to downgrade it to 24 version which fix the problem but now I have to upgrade it to the latest version for BF6 and the problem appears again.

anyone know how to fix this? I'm using 6700xt

>>106212447
You need to share more specific information, like your display configuration.
If you've got a multi-monitor set up, Windows' MPO might be causing issues.

>>106212470
I got a single monitor set up, MSI. And I play cs2 on stretch 4:3 resolution.
It either freeze my PC or give me weird visual glitches

>>106211906 (OP)
Sup bwos, need some help
I'm building my first one so I need everything
My budget is around 600$, thurdworlder
I may be able to get a cheap 6750xt (around 250$)
Could you recommend me some components around this thing?
(In the best case I may be able to get some cheap ram and/or ssd from a IT friend)
Or would you recommend me save more money? Should I buy the 6750xt now?
Thanks beforehand

>>106212517
>cs2 on stretch 4:3 resolution.
I play quake 3 16:9 and beat everyone.
4:3 is just coping.

>>106212517
Seems like a common issue for RDNA2 cards, it even affects PCs with a fresh Windows installation & updates.
Test out different full-screen settings and GL.

>>106212548
omg you play on 16:9...?
you're so cool dude...

>>106212543
DDR4, Ryzen 5600/X or Intel 12400/F.
Ryzen 5500 have worse CPU cores than the 5600/X, 5500 is a slightly better 3600.
Board doesn't matter too much. GL with that budget.

>>106212517
Test if the alt-tab crashes still happen @ native resolution & aspect ratio.

>>106212573
Noted, thanks!

750w psu enough for a 7800/9800x3d + 9070xt?

so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>>106212775
Yes. It's the 9070 XT's official minimum recommended PSU capacity.
AMD's PSU recommendations for their video cards are generally based on more power-demanding test systems (Ryzen 9 CPU, etc.).

>>106212341
>They will change the standard next gen.
These things move slowly. 12VHPWR was introduced much earlier and was field tested on RTX 30 series FE cards.
NVIDIA will re-implement the current load balancing safety feature if too many RTX 6000 Pro Blackwell cards end up with melted power connectors.

>>106211906 (OP)
OI BAKER BRO ADD PHANTEKS XT M3 TO THE mATX LIST its literally a better version of the CH260 with insane airflow(better cable management and guarded psu thus 3+ bottom fans) with a greater gpu clearance

>Undervolt gets me better performance than overclocking my 1660ti
Pls explain in a retard proof way.

>>106212517
>stretch 4:3 resolution.
why do people do that? just play in window if you really need 4:3

>>106212213
7600x3d but wait for the upcoming 9600x3d and 9700x3d

>>106212994
card is colder, doesn't throttle the clocks= more fps
repaste and repad/putty would make it even faster at stock

>>106213014
>9700x3d
what is the difference vs 9800X3D?

How is AMD going to fix over 9000 problem? what are they going to call zen6 and UDNA cards?
10800X3D and 10070XT?

Is there a better material for skates to use on glass pads than PTFE?
I’m burning through a set of skates each month

>>106212976
>XT M3
Already recommended, the manufacturer's name isn't always listed to reduce character count.
The manufacturer's name is written for cases like the A3 because this name is too vague to search by itself.

>>106213022
what is the difference between a 7600x and a 7600x3d ?

>>106212825
Did you try the firmware update? I don't know if it specifically helped but my black screen issues have went away and I did that plus using the latest drivers.

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5665/~/nvidia-gpu-uefi-firmware-update-tool-for-rtx-5060-series

Yes it says 5060 but apparently it's universal.

>>106213050
I asked specifically about 9700X3D, because 9800X3D is 8 cores so is 9700X

whose the retarded nigger that put the 5060 ti for mid range? My 3060 12 gb is faster than that shit

>>106213035
Ryzen AI+ 7 180x3d
Radeon AI Ultimate 670xt

>>106213047
sorry man im blind sometimes good to see it over there

>>106213050
7600X3D got a 3D-stacked L3 cache on top of the CCD.
7600X3D will run about as fast as a 7800X3D in games that don't scale well past 12 CPU threads.
7800X3D has a higher maximum CPU boost clock.

>>106213035
UDNA is going to have a new name in general. Its a big architecture leap like how Nvidia dropped GTX for RTX.

>>106213059
hope not, but AMD marketing barely improved since 2014 so very possible
how is second best semiconductor company in the world has a chinkshit tier marketing all the time?

>>106213022
Probably a downbinned version with slower silicon and lower factory/overclocked clockspeeds

>>106213044
glass pads are retarded

>>106213057
>My 3060 12 gb is faster than that shit
No it's not, 5060ti is like 2x a 3060

>>106213056
this is the only thing i have the 9600x3d was confirmed before but this one is only a "leak"

>>106213018
My 1%s also improved, which is the main thing I was hoping while undervolting.
I'll test how far I can go with the Memory Clock too.

>>106213085
They're constantly retconning their product names to match intel's/nvidia's naming schemes
Whatever marketing company that's contracted by them needs to be fired

>want to buy arc but don't want to reward them for mediocre product
>want to buy amd but don't want to reward them for supporting jewvidia prices
i am complex

>>106213101
>Pic
Turns out the only requirement for AMD to do a dual x3d ccd chip is for intel to jump scare them with 52 cores and 2x144mb L3$

>>106213126
Buy Moorethreads and Zhaoxin

How many more years will my 5800X3D be good for? I want to upgrade my GPU which is a 2080 non super, but I'm not sure if I should just buy a new GPU or build a whole new PC in like a year or 2 when newer parts come out.

>>106213133
its a cluster shit show , first we got the news of zen6 silicons being shared with their partners then we got am6 news then we have this , i have no idea what is going on anymore i just want to build a rig in peace for fucks sake

>>106213151
5800x3d is still a very fast CPU so you can safely upgrade just the GPU, as long as it's not a rtx5090

>>106213151
Just wait™ for Zen 6 and the next-gen video cards.
2080 should still be good enough to run newer games like BF6 in lower/competitive settings.

>>106211906 (OP)
should i have used ptm on my 9800x3d, i used it on my gpu because muh direct die etc but isnt the ihs the biggest issue with cpu and not the tim

>>106213099
for 3x the price u retarded vramlet

>>106213151
dont touch it bruv its good , you will be fine until the zen6 release because the update you will make will require a newer mobo so dont touch anything your cpu is still a monster if i were you id upgrade it to a 9070xt or wait for 2026 q1 maybe nvidia will come up with something like a 9080xtx

why the FUCK can't they just release the super series cards now, I want a new GPU but there is no point in buying one when the supers are comming REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>106213133
>>106213159
Don't get into PCs if you don't want to feel inadequate a year down the line

>>106213196
i meant amd in here not nvidia
>>106213206
i just want to get rid of my 2060 i cant even play spacemarine 2 dude

>>106213200
>time for upgrade
>decide to wait for S cards
>sales for regular cards
>can't wait any longer
>buy card
>S cards release a week later
>bring down the price of the regular cards for a moment lower than during the sales
Every time, every single time. BUT THIS TIME! THIS TIME I WILL WAIT!

>>106213206
All I have is a 9800x3d since I don't feel good paying a single cent more for something with a complex core topology
I just find it funny that their cover is finally blown after they've been saying that there is no benefit to dual vcache CPUs, and smoothbrainers constantly repeating that line despite not have any 3rd party benchmarks to prove or disprove it.

>>106213200
RTX 50 Super cards are going to be scalped until RTX 60 cards are out.
They might keep RTX 50 production for a bit longer since RTX 60 won't be using TSMC 5nm process.

>>106213218
Just buy a new GPU then, if you don't want a whole new system right now.

>>106213235
the life of an nvidia shill pays 200usd more just to get 10fps more out of a slop

>tfw spent $150 on a limited edition version of a $90 case
idk why I feel dirty about it, the aesthetic of it really speaks to me

>>106213252
my brother in christ i have a laptop

>>106213002
Why would anyone play in window?
also, it's just comfortability, that's all

>>106213258
uhh which one

>>106213194
60ti is not 60, 5060ti is only $30 more than a 3060ti

Biden also made the price of everything go 5x since then on top of the damage that nigger from kenya who snuck his way into the white house did.

3060 was always a shit poorfag option, begin of the end for low end cards. If you want to keep using it fine, but you have no right to try and push your gay lifestyle on everyone else.

>vramlet
it's a 16gb card you nigger.
>>106213200
>>106213235
Hate to be the one to break it to you but the super refresh and 50% increase to vram is going to cost you. Even if the msrp isn't increased, Ai niggers will snatch them up and you'll have to pay like $1500 for a 5070ti super. You could just buy a card now (while they're easy to get at or below msrp depending on whether or not you can drive to a walmart) then again 4 years later for less than that.
>Um ill just waitfag some more then teehee
Time for the RTX 6070/ti :), which unlike Blackwell will almost certainly be an actual generational uplift.
Screenshot this post so that you may later reflect upon when I warned you and cry.

>>106213247
50 series sales have sucked ass. I don't think they will paper launch S unless they DEEPLY discount the 50 series.

>>106213360
>50 series sales have sucked ass.
prove it.

I just found out that chinks sell modified unlocked laptop cpus that work on desktop lga1151. Has anyone tried them? I'm kinda tempted to go with some engineering sample that resembles a 9900k

>>106213402
Google it. There's been a lot of articles written already on them marking down prices due to poor sales.

Why does shit involving thunderbolt so goddamn expensive?
I just want another PCIe slot

>>106213355
cope nigger

>>106213200
You'll do this, but the supers will be scalped to all hell and won't be reasonably priced for a while thanks to AI faglords spending hundreds of thousands just to generate a fake girlfriend. By the time they come down to sane levels, the next gen will be on the horizon.
Best strategy: try to get a super if you can during the first week, but if you can't, just get a non-super. It'll do you fine.

>>106213439
>Google it
I did, it's just "sources say" and open box cards from a walmart

>>106213355
I don't even consider MSRP anymore, it's a meme in my cunt. I just pay what I consider just whenever I need an upgrade.

When will we have the next generation of CPUs and GPUs?

>>106213449
You cope and seethe, look he's even using cnn on the 3060

getting real tired of my 1060 which came in clutch when I needed to replace my 660ti 8 years ago.
should I just bite the bullet and get the $770 pny 5070ti?
i just want to play total war and kcd2 bros

>>106213537
I'd wait till the refresh and see the prices then.

>>106213537
ehhhhhhh
considering your gpu history and longevity, youre the target market user for the 16gb 5060ti IMO
even if its not the best value, itll do what you want without issue for many years to come, and the jump to the 5070ti i dont think will be worthwhile for your uses

How many watts for a 5070 ti and a 9800x3d? I'm thinking 850 watts

>>106213503
both withheld until morale improves.

>>106213589
850w is the sweet spot.
I have the same gpu/cpu and using 850w.
you could technically use 750w but youre not giving yourself a lot of wiggle room with it especially for future components

>>106213466
Go to microcenter and look at the supply with your eyes. The 5060 section takes up like 7/20 cases alone in store. They need to get rid of stock before the super refresh. Anybody who bought a $1500 16gb 5080 is going to feel truly retarded because it's the 3080 10gb of this generation.

>>106213534
Yes yes well done slytherin well done slytherin now show me the pcie 3.0 + 4k benchmarks of the 5060s

>>106213537
Pny has fan rattle. Wait for the 24gb version or get a 9070xt if you can get one under $700

>>106213355
>he actually believes the next gen will have a node shrink
It's over for silicuck, stop coping

>>106213589
that W is fine, undervolt for further headclerance.

>>106213630
who gives a shit? If you're over on vram you're fucked no matter what anyways.
>>106213664
You're going to be coping when I hunt you down like the mighty predator I am and with consent make love to your ass and face.

>>106213688
>128bit bus

>>106213537
I played a bit of kcd2 on a 1060 before I bought a 5070ti. Ofc it looks better but my enjoyment of the game is pretty much the same.

>>106213688
i do think you're more likely to get a penis shrink than a node one

>>106212976
>microatx
What causes this mental illness?

>>106213235
The vanilla 5000 series was worse than usual because of the lack of a node shrink. The optimum time to buy will be in two years with the 6000 Super Series launches.

>>106214157
>The optimum time to buy will be in two years with the 6000 Super Series launches.
Imagine buying an RTX 60 Super refresh so close to the RTX 70's release. Couldn't be me.

All jokes aside, the best time to upgrade is the generation after the PS6's APU specs are revealed.
If the PS6 is using RDNA5/UDNA1, you wait™ for RDNA6/UDNA2 and the GeForce equivalent.

Should I buy used nvidia 1650 or new 5050?
I'd buy 3050 as it fits my expectations, but it costs almost the same as 5050 and nobody's selling used 3050.

I do not play video games, I'd use it mostly for graphics software. I'm upgrading from 750ti, I do not feel need to upgrade its about nvidias support.

https://www.techpowerup.com/339752/thermalright-hr-10-pro-ssd-heatsink-series-now-include-argb-digital-display#comments
>Thermalright has expanded its HR-10 2280 Pro SSD heatsink series with the new Digital variant, available in white or black. The key upgrade is a digital display that shows SSD operating temperature, sequential read/write speeds, or drive utilization. This requires a USB header connection to your motherboard and the Thermalright Control Center (TRCC) software. The new HR-10 2280 Pro Digital measures 90.3 mm x 26 mm x 51 mm, making it roughly 16% taller than the original due to the display addition. Beyond the ARGB display, Thermalright has kept the integrated 30 mm 12 V PWM cooling fan in the middle of the fin stack. The heatsink features four 5 mm nickel-plated copper heatpipes making contact through a mirror-finish copper baseplate. The design accommodates Gen 5 SSD standards, ensuring future compatibility. Pricing is competitive at $19.36 in the Chinese market, just $3 more than the regular HR-10 2280 Pro ($16.90 on Amazon).

IT'S TIME TO STOP

>>106214385
>I do not play video games, I'd use it mostly for graphics software. I'm upgrading from 750ti,
Literally whichever is the absolute cheapest or go integrated graphics if your CPU/mobo supports it.

>>106214425
I got integrated gpu. I need something for pass through for my extreme linux projects.

But also igpus are bad at graphics software. I doubt modern Photoshop would load any project without a gpu.

>>106214473
Is your 750 Ti on it's last legs or something?

>>106214480
Apparently it's not going to be supported some time soon, so it may stop working with the software I use. Otherwise it's still working fine unless I hit render, but I usually go sleep then.

I do linux graphics as my job, at home it's for fun.

>>106213044
No and that's the price you pay for the goated mousepad material. I use Obsidian Pros on my Skypad 4.0 and they last longer than a month

>>106212447
Im having similar problems. Currently on my second windows install. Doing a clean install helps for a bit...

>>106214507
maybe get a rx 470/570/480/580. You can get them for like 30 bucks used. Since you are using linux you will get open source drivers for the foreseeable future.

>>106214507
If you're worried about driver support even the 1000 series is getting EOL'd alongside the 700 & 900 series:
https://www.engadget.com/gaming/pc/nvidia-is-ending-support-for-its-gtx-10--9--and-7-series-gpus-173112051.html
Given the prices of low-end RTX 3000, 4000, & 500 series cards all basically converging, the 5050 might be your best option for longest support for the money or consider >>106214599 advice for Radeon options under Linux.

>>106214073
Microatx is the poorfags choice

>>106214634
>Microatx is the poorfags choice
Funny enough Mini-Itx usuall ends up the richfags choice.

>>106214507
I really would not worry about that at all. At least not now. Just use it until it dies and get whatever the modern 50 is then

>>106214409
I had little fans on my Motherboard 10 years ago. Those were some noisy little bastards.

Why is GN using the Dawntrail Benchmark for FFXIV testing, when even the older benchmarks weren't reflective of ingame performance?
The Dawntrail Benchmark isn't up to date, because well it never was. It wasn't even up to date for the expansion launch, which was over a year ago. It was in the middle of the graphics update and used an earlier build.
Whatever performance fixes AMD/Square has done has been for the actual game, not for the benchmark.

You can literally create free accounts and run in a circle in one of the cities without any fear of dying or anything. It's not like the problems HUB showed with trying multiple benches in a online fps beta where you can't choose any variables.

>>106214720
None of this matters because trannyxiv is dead and you should feel bad for still playing it.

Can anyone recommend a monitor for reading magazines? I just got a bigger laptop because I didn't feel like shelling out the money for an OLED monitor, but now I want something vertical for looking at old adult magazines. Any recommendations for something in a good aspect ratio and color for a decent price? I probably don't even need anything bigger than like 20 inches, if that.

>>106214735
It matters when you only have like 5 games benchmarked in any video and it's in both CPU and GPU videos.

>>106214655
Pricing is as follows for a mobo
>$110 matx
>$140 atx
>$180 mitx

Case
>$80 matx
>$100 atx
>$150 mitx

Does the typical shitty riser cable fit into a PCI-E slot that's covered by another GPU?
I'm building a server and the layout of this retarded server mainboard makes it impossible use the second PCI-E slot if you have a 2HE GPU installed. My only hope is to squish a riser cable into it and somehow put the other card I want to install below the mainboard. There's enough space for that in the case if I can fit the riser.
However, the connector of all the riser cables I can find seem far too chunky to fit under a standard GPU unless I'm mistaken.
I can't put the GPU itself outside its slot because I lack the space even with a longer riser.

so about the rumored AMD redstone driver
any chance they actually improve the RT performance in a significant way or is it just cope

>>106214584
Try this, so far it works just fine for me but I need more time to test it out though, but I suggest you keep this in your mind first before trying it out.

costco.com/skytech-chronos-3-liquid-cooled-gaming-desktop---amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-8-cores---nvidia-rtx-5090---windows-11.product.4000346397.html
worth?

>>106214409
THERMALRIGHT IS UNSTOPPABLE

>>106215003
no liquid cooling is for fags

>>106213191
PTM7950 is slightly more effective, but it's not that big of a deal.

Chat I just bought this (used, missing RAM and HDD) and feel like a fucking retard

I'm reading the directions on putting the drives. It seems like there are multiple bays, a primary bay, a secondary bay, a tertiary bay. and a front-access storage enclosure. But I can only find the primary and tertiary. I also can't find the converter for different drive sizes.

Does anyone have any experience with this or know a video of someone showing off the different drive bays?

Ty

when will 9800x3d become cheaper

Tomorrow is the day
retail store running event and C4 42" will be as cheap as it can possibly ever be
The question is if I will pull the trigger or not and whether I will be able to cope or not with 42"+WOLED or if I will realize 27/32" 240hz qdoled is simply better after all

c4 42" in direct euro monopoly money to usd conversions 793, normal sale price here is 999, lowest possible from lg store directly is 866, launch price of 1899
for reference the only new store that carries the new asus trueblack 240hz XG32UCWMG is going for 1600$ which is quite literally directly 2x as much as a c4 42", I can buy TWO brand new c4 42" for one asus 32" monitor
for reference the pg32ucdm is 1350, which is 1.71x of a c4
the msi monitors have now overtaken the price of the asus ones here and the standard price of them is even more than the pg32ucdm and the 321urx is going for 1800 however it was just on sale for 1100

will I enjoy tvmaxxing is the question

>>106215003
>RAM = Team Group UD5-6000 with a CL of 40 Motherboard = MSI X670E Gaming Plus Wifi (this board has better stats than in the product listing and a nice surprise) M2 SSD = AData Legend 800 Gold GPU = Zotac Solid 5090 base version Power Supply = Gamdias Helios Gold 1000W Case

>>106215333
Get the tv, more space is always better and you'll save money to be able to upgrade more in the future.

>>106215301
few years

>>106215333
I have the c2 42inch and idk man it's seems to dim a lot in high abl scenes

>>106215445
So turn off abl.

>>106215333
You're going to be underwhelmed with whatever option after all this obsessive analysis & shitposting.
Ignorance is bliss.

>>106215003
you should ask the prebuilt pc general

>>106214473

just visit bios assign 4GB ish to iGPU and wish for best?

>>106215472
how do you do that?

>>106215003
Why are you asking this here
This is a thread about building pcs
Every single answer you will get will be biased by that factor
That being said fuck that go ask Reddit, I don’t even say that jokingly, there are communities there that will help you
Or the ltt forums
Or the tpu forums
Or if you’re Indian try anandtech

>>106215557
Dunno but I assume it's possible. I think tv's have a special menu you have to buy a controller to access that lets you tune all the settings they don't want the plebs touching.

>>106215568
Yes, we are biased against people getting ripped off

>>106215575
geez i don't have time for that, however i did find out about this useful program called colour control that you may want to check out when getting your c4.
it lets you have more control of settings in game optimizer mode that lg for some reason locks you out of and doesn't let you change.
random vid explaining it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXPb0kf0PgI

Bought new hard drive. Installed. Everything fine, everything working exactly how I want. So much space for so many nice things.

Thought, oh why don't I just buy a new 6 pin sata power cable from my PSU then I can have three drives at once rather than 2.

Fried both of my SSDs.

I am an actual fucking retard, kill me please.

>>106215701
How did this happen?

>>106215588
Biased isn’t an inherently negative term

>>106215701
so you purchased a random sata power cable off the internet that was not compatible with your psu and decied to plug it in?

>>106215730
This:>>106215754

I am so fucking dumb.

>>106215730
The random power cables he bought weren't pin-compatible with his PSU.
There's no set standard regarding the PSU side of the power connector pinouts.

>>106215776
It's a gotcha moment, you'd think this shit would be standardized.
At least some PSU manufacturers started to use proprietary connectors on the PSU-end to minimize of risk of this happening.

Are 2 Memory sticks of 1600 that inferior to 2 1866 ones?

>>106215820
Yes, but don't overpay for the 1866. Older vs old, slower vs. slow.

>>106215820
yes unless your processor is a potato that can't do above 1600 anyway

>>106215813
Just pure overconfidence. Put a new CPU in, new fan for that, new graphics card, new HDD. All without a hitch. Just fucked around and got found out.

The real kicker is I had the HDD and SSD in the original 2 sata power cables and tried the other SSD through the new 3 cable. Hmm why is there no boot. I'll try all of them in the 3. Think the HDD is spinning so hopefully fine. SSDs fucked. Won't boot from them, won't run via usb to sata cable on other PC also.

>>106215834
How can I even tell that

>>106215754
>>106215786
How do I avoid this mistake? If I need more cables in the future what should I do?

>>106215871
The system will start to show signs of instability (freezes, stutters, file/OS corruption).
You'll also know if it can't pass any of the commonly recommended memory/IMC stress tests.

>>106215948
More established PSU manufacturers disclose what type of power cable you need for your PSU.
https://seasonic.com/cable-compatibility/
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/s/psu-cable-compatibility
https://www.bequiet.com/en/accessories/power-cable/805
https://www.fsplifestyle.com/NEWS240718-6698830459bba/

CableMod also makes pin-compatible power cables for a variety of PSU models. They fucked up the 12VHPWR adapter, but their cables are fine.
https://cablemod.com/compatibility/

>>106215871
you could try looking up the specifications of the cpu

>>106215954
>>106216057
>Rated Speed: 1600 MT/s
Damn, thank you

is 22c good for idle cpu temps?

>>106216194
Yes.

is it worth it to wait for tandem OLED monitors to be come standard ?

>>106215333
Holy fucking shit, I haven't stepped in those threads for months and you still haven't purchased anything yet?
Seriously anon, I just don't think you'll be satisfied with any display at this point.

>>106215301
it’s cheap right now

>>106216350
Tandem OLEDs comes closer to narrowing the color gamut/volume gap with QD-OLED but still fall short. The only use case where they make sense is if you have a viewing setup that you can't control ambient lighting in. Or there's a model on sale for cheaper. The only things in the near-future that might be worth waiting on are true RGB OLEDs from LG supposedly beginning production at the end of the year or by TCL CSOT which is still at least a year or two away. Also 5K QD-OLED next spring if that's your thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9u3tet-oQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqhtvBFWoxY

>>106216350
LG and their monitor manufacturing partners keep on fucking with people.
>Release 4th gen tandem WOLED panel for monitors, initially available matte finish only.
>Collaborate with ASUS for the TrueBlack Glossy finish, it uses 3rd gen WOLED panels.
Make it make sense.

>>106216457
so if Im usually in a dim/dark environment QD is still the best? not as bright as WOLED but has issues with the QD layer picking up ambient light.

god this OLED shit pisses me off maybe I should just stay on IPS

>>106216505
you really cant tell the difference with oled, theyre all the same
i promise you

>>106216505
if you want to look at a flat looking low contrast sdr image everyday then stick to ips

>>106216457
so they are finally ditching the fucking retarded white sub pixel?

>>106216505
>so if Im usually in a dim/dark environment QD is still the best? not as bright as WOLED but has issues with the QD layer picking up ambient light.
Correct. LG sort of cheats with their separate white subpixel to juice their nit numbers, but in real content with additive RGB/CMY color is more fluorescent and pops more thanks to the saturation levels and their interaction with the human called the Helmholtz–Kohlrausch effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz%E2%80%93Kohlrausch_effect
https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/exploring-oled-brightness-improvements-woled-vs-qd-oled-and-the-need-for-new-metrics-and-specs

The first Tandem OLED monitor review out of China was posted a week ago (turn on CC-translated Subs):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kbAzQGvsA0
It's not the silver bullet we were all hoping it to be (personally I think it's a half-measure until they can ditch the White Subpixel and full RGB but that might not happen until they can get a Blue OLED material that will live for a reasonable amount of time).

You can also see a color brightness breakdown the latest 2025 WOLED & QD-OLED flagships whose panel tech gets repurposed for monitors here:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-g5-oled-vs-samsung-s95f-oled/88601/88596#test_620
WOLED has the edge in white but even the new tandem panel the G5 uses still loses to QD-OLED of the S95F in literally every other color.
Also though it isn't mentioned enough, LG's WOLEDs have worse panel uniformity for some reason.

>>106216608
>so they are finally ditching the fucking retarded white sub pixel?
Not yet, these current Tandem "Primary RGB" still use a white subpixel while LG is working behind the scenes to get a true striped OLED into production.
IMO adding RGB to the marketing name of their tandem panel updates is a scummy move that gives false impressions of what they've done which was to take the yellow OLED layer underneath the Blue from last year's panels and split it into two Red & Green Output Layers sandwiched between Blue Layers (so technically correct in the color layers but the subpixel arrangement is unchanged):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyYRevThUUw

I find myself using Lossless Scaling a lot more than AFMF and the in-game FSR frame generation. It just WORKS, doesn't require a reboot, and it honestly looks better for fast motion.

>>106211906 (OP)
Why is every single OP pic ugly as sin?

>>106211986
Why does the 9800 get all the love while the 9950x3d is just better?

>>106216782
cheaper and just as good for games

>>106216782
one ccd has cache, the other ccd doesn't. if all you're doing is gaming the other ccd is pretty much useless.

>>106216687
I doubt those RGB subpixel OLED monitors will be released next year.
LG Display would've had a TV demo by now.

>>106216759
post a pic of your pc faggot

>>106211986
Get a better job you dumb fuck. If you're a poorfag you got no business buying high end gear, get your life together.

>>106212134
go to that panda website and snipe a cheap used pc that does shipping. Or get a used laptop. I'd say scour the local marketplaces on faceberg but you're a turd worlder so that wont work for you.

>>106211986
wait for the 11800x3d

what do you think of the new alienware AW2725D (280hz) QD-OLED.

would this be decent buy? monitors unboxed has the only video review I can find and they said its good.


this is what im using now: https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/648b2dfb 280hz IPS.

it looks really good to me but I've had it for a few years and idk im getting bored and thinking about getting into OLED but I dont want to get buyers remorse because of some random spec I overlooked.

the OLED mentioned above is matte which people hate but the monitor im using rn has a semi-gloss.

guys is matte really that awful ?

should I look into some asus for glossy?

Im usually in a dark room, no windows and no lights behind me, does glossy feel more like glass CRT ?

>>106216836
>>106216782
>>106211986
wait for the new one with X3D on both CCD

>>106216945
the 4k version(AW2725Q) isn't that much more expensive desu you should look into that model

>>106216975
>wait for a rumored cpu
bro it's not even shown up on any benchmarks. it could be 4+ months out if it even exists

>>106216975
that still requires the game to actually take advantage of the other ccd. most games only use 6-8 cores because thats exactly what consoles have. they are not dual ccd aware.

>>106216976
I play vidya in 1440p

I think I'm falling for the pricing ladder, but is getting Kingston Fury Renegade G5 2TB instead of Kingston KC3000 2TB, for the second drive for a 40% increase in price a retarded idea?

>>106217011
modern slop lets you use upscalers and old games are easy to run in 4k so what is the problem?

I have G.Skill 48GB (2 x 24GB) RAM DDR5 6400.
When will it be worth upgrading to a faster 64GB or 128GB kit? Right now nothing seems much faster.

>>106217030
desu I'd prefer the 360hz 1440p version

>>106217154
if you have to ask, no

>>106217166
Yeah, I figure when it is worth changing out the 7800x3d it will be worth changing the RAM.

>>106217154
It's the other way around; the CPU is usually bottlenecking these DDR5 kits (UCLK &/or FCLK for AM5 Ryzen).

>>106217199
You are reminding me of my i7 920 bclock overclocking days.

>PC hot and loud as fuck
I hate gaming in the summer

>>106217224
That's what the AC is for.

>>106217231
>only have window AC in the living room
>every room is hot as fuck
I fucking hate summer

>>106217271
Go to Walmart with $150 and buy another window AC. Problem solved.

>>106217224
just play games at night

>>106217224
Undervolt/Powerlimit

>>106214844
The normal RT performance is already on par with nvidia. Its just pathtacing they are behind in and yes the neural radiance caching and ray regeneration plus they are probably just working on optimizing the driver in general for better PT performance for FSR redstone release.

had a weird issue in some games recently where moving my mouse casuses micro stutters. Has anyone else had this issue before? It's semi-fixable by changing mouse polling rate but that makes mouse feel like shit to run.
I have 7800x3d and 36gb ram

>>106217411
what polling rate are you running
8k lags the shit out of most systems and is entirely pointless

>>106217453
1000Hz
shouldn't be a problem but thinking it might be a USB lane problem..

>>106217411
some game engines simply dont like polling above 1000hz.

>>106215388
I will be spending not saving though but I get your point

>>106215445
c4 is brighter but I guess so
In hdr I guess?
have you tried the monitors? since they would be even worse

>>106215472
>>106215557
you can't turn off "abl" tho
https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/oled-dimming-confusion-apl-abl-asbl-tpc-and-gsr-explained

>>106215536
>fomo stare intensifies

>>106215622
you can access the service menu the same from it and disable the tpc and gsr thingy though
but I mean it won't fix the abl since it's inherent behavior

>>106216393
nothing worth buying and I can wait since it's not urgent but now Is a pretty good time

>Intards and shills ITT and on reddit went rabbid with the flawed PCGH benchmark showing 265k faster than 9800x3d in bf6
>Attack Steve and slander him as a shill for showing the reality in his benchmarks because they thought they finally had a win and can't handle the truth
>Cope that the 265k is faster once you get into combat
>Steve and Balin do a perfect test both running into combat in the same match at the same time
>9800x3d maintains 37 percent lead easily
So sad. They thought they finally had a win and AMDSteve just shattered it like nothing.

>>106217688
https://youtu.be/1jKmxZ4sLkM?t=944

>>106217688
there's not an official benchmark?

>>106217688
where does that fps difference come from if the CPUs are not completely loaded up? i don't get how that works

Give it to me straight up, do you think there will be any meaningful technology upgrades in 2026?

What does one do when you bought everything you want with your pc?

>>106217744
Watch anime or youtube. Whatever you do don't play video games that makes you gay.

>>106217744
max out minecraft shaders
>huh thats cool
then back to wasting my life in a web brwoser

>>106217744
buy more onaholes

>>106216350
you already got plenty good monitors right now, what the problem is pricing
just buy if you have infinite money and that is the form factor you want

>>106216494
you can get a C4 77" on sale for less than a PG32UCDMR
you can get a S95F 55" on sale for the same price as a PG32UCDMR
the PC monitor market must pay for this barbarism

>>106216505
>not as bright as WOLED
the actual color luminance is higher though

>>106216754
looked like ass last I tried

>>106216976
doesnt it have a history of dying non stop

>>106217018
for gaming it all seems useless as long as its nvme

>>106217411
>>106217475
>it might be a USB lane problem
I know several amd mobos had bad usb controllers that can't handle high polling devices, literally unable to run high polling without stutter that people used to blame on the cpu not being able to do it, turned out to be usb mobo controllers last time I checked
so you prolly are right

>>106217688
>Cope Ultra being shit
it can't even beat 14900k already know this
>Trusting HWunboxed
Shiggy

>>106217744
engage max buyers regret

>>106216984
it'll be easily 10+ months if not a year, the 9950x3d took like 4+ months to come out after the 9800x3d launch.

>>106217770
I have some in mind but I'm waiting on a sale. Speaking of has anyone used the tenga ones that flip open? I'm very tempted because cleaning is the worst shit ever and makes me not want to even use them. But I've heard that they fall apart or just aren't well made. Can anyone confirm or deny?

>some reddit ignoramus is claiming the C5 looks more washed out than the matte LG 32" 4k 240hz
I am tired of reading and listening to these "people"
"ooh it has more saturated images" meanwhile he has access to a whole tv with calibration settings
the ride will never end
I got oled fatigue, I want off this hell ride

>>106217154
no, the upgrade isnt worth the money cost. If you can justify selling it second hand or using it in a second-rig sure, maybe. But no.

>>106217224
wear noise cancelling headphones, or just headphones that are good and not open-air.

>>106217300
those are almost as crazy loud as the portable units.

>>106217936
its simple, stop using r*ddit, retard. Or use it full time and stay there.

>>106217936
If you aren't playing CS2 competitively you don't need that latency. Which means you can get the good colors on the better tv.
But really you need to stop overthinking it. The worst oled will be better than what you have now. The tech is still in such flux it isn't worth overspending.
Buy the biggest size you can get the most cheap. In 2 or 3 years you'll be able to get the next upgrade which will be a significant improvement.

Is the rtx 5060 TI 16gb a good buy right now? I want to try out all that locally ran ai stuff.

>>106217744
There is always something more to buy
You can put a lot into the audio, new head/earphones, new speakres, new DAC, new AMP etc.
Better mouse, keyboard, new/second monitor
More storage

>>106217936
>guy comparing hdr vs sdr
>guy did not even open tv settings and modify basic brightness contrast and color settings until lg account told him in replies
I swear most "people" are not people

>>106217992
not my fault shit pops up when you google for monitors and stuff, but I am having my doubts

>>106217996
>Which means you can get the good colors on the better tv.
these people don't even open the tv settings
>The worst oled will be better than what you have now.
oh I know
>Buy the biggest size you can get the most cheap
there might be a limit in size though
that limit has not yet been hit
for max inch per cost a 77" might be even cheaper but I want a monitor also
maybe we will try that next time

>In 2 or 3 years you'll be able to get the next upgrade which will be a significant improvement.
if qdoled either gets bigger monitors or tvs get smaller or just higher hz on tvs, maybe

>>106217744
Open loop so you constantly have something to do.

>>106218054
>>guy did not even open tv settings and modify basic brightness contrast and color settings until lg account told him in replies
why should he do this? TVs should look good in factory settings, that's unjustifiable.
what's the point of pretending the SDR TV cannot be adjusted in the same way to achieve good subjective results?
but I guess you're right, some people are too desperate to justify their purchases to remember it's just a device they bought with their hard earned money, and that it's the device that ought to show its worth from the get go.

>but muh amd unboxed
fuckin lol

>>106217744
fall into a rabbit hole and start buying useless shit to it.

>>106218027
It was never a good buy and prices should drop just before super refresh

>>106215948
You time travel to the mid 00’s and buy an Ultra power supply which had male to male cables and you use that
The only proprietary port on these power supplies was for sata ironically. But everything else was just the same connector on both ends.
But since evga and seasonic and corsair wanted to sell you special $70 cable kits, they went full proprietary for no reason.

>>106217744
New hobby.
I got into mountain bikes.
Same money pit, different community.

>>106218346
why is spending money so fun bros

>>106218354
Because for a brief moment it gives physical actualization for my meager efforts and what I sacrifice to a system that despises me and would discard me into societies landfill at whim.
I see my slavery turned into a possession. And for just a moment it feels worthwhile. And I only continue on to chase that feeling once again.

This bike cost me more than any PC in this thread. And it’s true meaning is that it represents only time bringing me closer to death that I exchanged for momentary pleasure.

>>106218367
You got ripped off, my 100 dollar bike from walmart can do the same thing.

>Bought 5060 because I knew nothing at the time and when I came into /pcbg/ during part picking time the thread was full of njudea shills that lied to me 8GB was still ok for 1080p and neural texture compression rendered vram obsolete anyway.
>Every new game Ive tried to run have to play low settings to avoid going over buffer and getting insane stutters
>Also nonstop weird driver bugs and issues as the cherry on top
Idk how the fuck as a long time ATI radeon guy I let myself get memed like this. What do I do now? I can't return and will anyone pay close to what I did new on the used market for this worthless junk card?

>>106218173
stop trolling, nobody cares about KarenScreamingField 6 you retarded ape.

>>106218379
people buy 8000 dollar mountain bikes to ride on walking paths

Get help.

>>106218477
>>106218523
>caae19d3b655a5ceee(...).png
Oh yeah I see it now.

>>106218523
>Cuckwell
>FagForce
Kek
This poster seems really funny and based. What is the problem?

>>106216844
>I doubt those RGB subpixel OLED monitors will be released next year.
>LG Display would've had a TV demo by now.
Wild sadly quite possible, their TV division's impetus to get off the White Subpixel isn't as strong as their IT/Monitor one that wants to go to a normal RGB layout as soon as is feasible and put the color fringing issue to bed for good. Also their counter-pressure on the TV side to retain the White subpixel for Highlight/Low APL % boosts to continue waging the brightness wars over HDR with Samsung. Without their White subpixel, WOLEDs would fall further behind QD-OLED in performance.

I’m saying this without the intention of stirring shit up I swear, but I’ve been doing the custom PC thing as a hobby for over a decade now and as I’ve gotten bored of it, my current PC will be my last PC
Everything I want to run, runs well on it. It has nothing I want to change even if it’s not top end. I’m just not interested in doing more with this hobby. My next computer will software needs and compatibility get to that point will be a mac.

How many of you feel you’re in the same boat? I’ve come across a lot of people from my old tech circles who ended up doing similar things. Going from SLI’d setups with custom water cooling to diverting that energy in the hobby into other stuff, like getting super into Linux for some reason is kinda common.

>>106218684
It's not surprising, if your intention is to tinker then focusing on a one-and-done hobby will always end abruptly, unless you make selling prebuilts and to-orders your livelihood. Linux allows the tinkerers to continue doing so after their machine is ready. Just like /mkb/ if you're building [thing] for what it can do for you afterwards then you will move on and there's no problem until its time for a replacement.

Or you can be like me staying here to occasionally greentext people's silly parts lists.

>>106218684
>a mac
Nice bait, bet you'll get a lot of bites fellow computer "hobbyist".

Volumes

>106218792
>Participating in or instigating a flamewar

>>106218822
Volumes

>>106217886
i have a lot of ride japan ones and they can be turned inside out no problem

>>106218684
>My next computer will software needs and compatibility get to that point will be a mac.
you should read over your posts before posting

>>106218684
>My next computer will software needs and compatibility get to that point will be a fag.
Why

>i7-13850HX on a B760 motherboard.
I keep decreasing the core voltage and it just would not crash. How low can I go?

>>106218994
Only you can find out

>>106218792
whats with the gg allin edit
this has the effect of making radeon/amd seem
like
ten times more badass

Have any of you tried this paste? It's apparently quite good, comparable or better than MX-6 on some benchmarks while being cheaper. Some Korean company makes it

>>106218994
>Cinebench
Test stability on AIDA64 and OCCT. They are more able to catch a bad over-undervolt within seconds.
Unless, you're just doing this for fun and seeing how low it can go and still technically work in one task? I mean, maybe -0.275v is my guess?

Do I need a heatsink for my SSD?

>>106218994
intel has clock stretching since 12th gen so having too little voltage (e.g. -100mv from the stock vf) will only lose you performance until you hit a point where it starts crashing (e.g. -350mv)

>>106219181
yes

>>106219189
Explain why.

>>106219198
cooler temps = better performance

>>106219181
Depends on the ssd, placement and airflow layout of your chassis.
A downdraft cpu cooler with the ssd next to the cpu, above the first pcie slot, you wouldn’t need a heatsink.
Anything in the airflow channel for a cpu air cooler in general is probably fine without one.
Anywhere near the lower pcie slots, under a gpu, close to the chipset, or just somewhere with no airflow, you want a heatsink.

For AMD curve optimizer in BIOS, what exactly is the unit of measurement for the offset? A negative value of 10 is equivalent to what? -10mv seems a little small, -100 maybe is right but then why is this setting's value not on the exact same scale?

>>106211906 (OP)
What do y'all think about Crucial SSD? Good or Avoid?

>>106219113
Okay, Yeah, AIDA64 made my machine unresponsive at -0.240 V. I'm restarting from -0.200 V. So far so good.

>>106219187
What does cock stretching do?

The performance seemed pretty consistent as I went down in voltage offset according to cinebench while TDP decreased.

>>106219231
arbitrary units of measure. i think it differs by cpu models, and possibly by individual silicon. on my specific 9800x3d, -5 CO translate to roughly -0.02v on the cpu under load and running -20 OC means the cpu runs roughly 80mv less voltage than stock

>>106219316
clock stretching is when the cpu throttles itself to prevent errors and crashing when it finds that the received voltage is much lower than what was requested. the reported clockspeed stays the same but the cpu skips execution on some cycles making the effective clockspeed and performance lower than what the reported clockspeed suggests.

>>106219319
I see, it's arbitrary as it appears then. I read that -20 on a 9800x3d is good for most of them as they are binned well but I have it as -15 just to be safe and because managing heat is what AIOs are for.

>>106219316
>does cock
The effective cock section in hwinfo is what you're looking for.
I have no idea how cock stretching works or why i just know it's a thing.
I think as long as you're setting the voltage manually on Intel it shouldn't cock stretch, it'll just crash like you would expect.

>>106219079
Igor's Lab claims those guys are lying about the formulation.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/amech-stg-4-test-korean-thermal-paste-with-free-vinegar-from-the-weekly-market-a-search-for-clues/

>>106219351
whether -20 works or not depends on how much voltage margin is given to your cpu. good bins have naturally lower programmed voltage and on those cpus, -5 CO will still have lower voltage than -25 CO on a crappy sample

>>106219312
Micron corporation (good)

>>106211906 (OP)
>Avoid ASRock AM5 boards. Issues still reported & latest BIOS doesn't protect new CPUs.
I have an asrock motherboard. How fucked am I when I want to upgrade to a 10 series cpu?

>>106219198
Because heat sinks are cool (get it?). They're also dirt cheap on Aliexpress.

The black one in pic related was only about $5.23 usd. It was so tall it interferes with the cpu fan. Luckily the case managed to barely close still.

>>106219377
This copper one was $1.08 usd.

>>106219312
Good for Windows, I think their performance degrades in Linux.
Crucial T705 should be performing much better, considering it's a Gen 5 drive with DRAM.

>>106219394
that's hardly a heatsink, surface area is pretty shit. that's a temporary heat storage block, which might work if SSD heat peaks once in a while instead of constant heat output

>>106219203
depends on the temps though. and performance for what? does it get hot for reads, or are you talking about sustained writes?

>>106219187
it won't clock stretch with a VID offset in XTU
ryzen won't clock stretch with CO either
clock stretching only happens if you bypass the CPU and tell the motherboard to provide less voltage than requested (VRM offset)

Can I get away with an air cooler on a 9950x3d?

>>106219438
The real question is why bother when a 360mm aio is like $40/50 now.

>>106219398
rather than other brands being bad, it seems that WD is exceptionally good in linux

>>106219438
I don't know

>>106219438
Gaming, yes. Heavy all-core workloads, no.

>>106219429
how do I do less voltage, where in bios?

>>106219349
>>106219353
Oh, interesting. It looks like a bunch of my pee cores are running at 4.6 ghz when my multiplier is set to 47x. I was using HWMonitor before which didn't display the effective cocks.

Lemme see if juicing it makes the effective cock go up.

my 6700k finally can't keep up
wanted to try the finals and it's around 20-30fps

>>106219375
I'd set a manual TDC & EDC limit; a lower SoC voltage isn't enough if the current is killing the CPU.

>>106219404
Yeah, I cheaped out. I wish I bought a thicker one. It's probably better than nothing and there should be some air flow from air being drawn in through the side panel.

>>106219475
on AMD? curve optimizer/shaper
on intel? adaptive voltage offset or v/f point offset
>>106219480
effective clocks will only go to 100% if you run something like prime95
it's not really a clock speed, it's a utilization metric

>>106211906 (OP)
Thanks for the parts list, I just thoughtlessly went through the recommendations and (probably over)paid Newegg $1500 for
>AMD Ryzen 9 9950X
>MSI X870 ATX Motherboard
>G.Skill Flare 2x32GB DDR5-6000 (CL30)
>Corsair SF1000 80 PLUS Platinum
>Samsung 990 PRO 1TB
>Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3
I oversized the PSU telling myself that I'm going to stick either a couple 5070Ti's or Intel B60's in there.
Looking for someone to call me a retard so I can get past this post-purchase afterglow and figure out why exactly I bought this.

>>106219514
anon, that psu is meant for itx cases and won't fit an atx case's psu mount perfectly

>>106219480
That doesn't look like cock stretching, more like it never actually loaded up every core.

>>106219514
>>MSI X870 ATX Motherboard
>>Corsair SF1000 80 PLUS Platinum
You didn't need to buy an SFX (small form factor PC) power supply.
An ATX form factor PSU like the newest Corsair RMx 1000 is good enough.
PA 120 or any other air cooler might not be enough to cool the 9950X in all-core loads relatively quietly.

>>106219523
>>106219542
Oh fuck I thought it was an ATX PSU. Lemme see if I can get the order changed.
It's never incorrect to call me a retard, as it turns out.

>>106219404
Buy more case fans (10x140mm)

>>106219560
Keep it and use the space to add more ssds

Three new RIPs have been posted in the ASRock subreddit in the past 24 hours.
Wouldn't be surprised if ASRock is silently revising their board designs without formally disclosing it to prevent product recalls.

Not happy about this because ASRock used to make good/great value boards.

>>106219599
I keep my 5900X -30 all core and manual 130/90/110 TDP TDC shit and one fan on dual tower (inside one) and peaks 80C full load on this weather with no AC. and works fine, like really good, compiling/games, no issues. why do people needlessly stress their CPUs?

>>106219599
It seems to mostly happen on Asrock boards made in H2 2024 and later and not earlier produced boards
Maybe they bought cheap components from a shady source that screwed them over with mystery meat power ICs

>>106219639
>>106219639
>>106219639

>>106219630
>why do people needlessly stress their CPUs?
It's also happening to users who left ASRock's auto settings
It killed a few CPUs with EXPO disabled and everything set to stock board settings.

There might be some hardware issues that ASRock doesn't want to publicize.
They'd rather send out replacement boards or refunds to affected customers over a product recall.

>>106219599
>ASRock used to make good/great value boards
underage faggot detected. assrock has already been the bottom feeder, even worse than niggabytes.

>>106219598
I've got an old HP N54L Microserver with a pile of spinning rust for that.
If I ever need more storage space I'm going to lose control of myself and buy one of those 24-bay Supermicro barebones and go crazy.

>>106219498
This is the kind of person who boughted TWO 7900 XTXes in 2025 by the way.

>>106219859
Defended ASUS's little brother ASRock as well.
>'Don't buy ASUS! They greedy! Buy ASRock! They're not like ASUS!'
Kek

>>106219514
>thoughtlessly spent big money on a 9950X and 64GB RAM presumably for work
>but not an X870E to avoid lane sharing
>but yet another air cooler gud enuff victim

>>106219894
>but not an X870E to avoid lane sharing
But all 870's have lane sharing.

>>106219894
>presumably for work
ehehehe I actually don't know what I'm going to use it for. I don't even have a monitor, I was just gonna netboot it headless and hope for the best.
And then maybe figure out what I'm going to do with it because I'm a neet.

>>106212447
>BF6
Honestly kill yourself

>>106212447
This is the reason I sold my 8gig amd card and bought a 1660 super. I'm very happy with it

>>106213151
There is no need to upgrade. What games are there? It's all shit

>>106213537
You don't need a card that expensive to play that. If you have money get a gtx 1080 ti and you're golden for another 6 years

first time PC builder here


how many hard drives do you guys recommend, how many of which type, and what is your backup strategy?

>>106221593
SSD M.2 x2 (one for drive C + your windows, another one for gaming, you can do 500gb for drive c and 1-2 tb for another drive that's fine) or just get a big SSD m.2 and split their storage which is probably going to give you a room for upgrade.

I also recommend you to get at least 1tb of HDD SATA, and you're going to use this one to store medias and torrent although I recommend you to just get 2 of em

>>106221675
I don't do gaming, I mostly use microsoft office program, some accounting programs, ERP software, some very light use of programs to write programs in python and such

I am mostly wondering how to schedule daily automatic backups without creating tons of redundancy (only add the new stuff), and how many drives of which type that requires

currently I have less than 1 TB total data, but I might take up photography as a hobby so I expect it to increase

>>106221704
>but I might take up photography as a hobby so I expect it to increase
I do photography and so the only word of advice here is to store your photos to both cloud and your physical drive (that's when HDD come into handy)

I guess 1 HDD and 1 SSD M.2 would be enough for you because SSD really do help a lot when it come to tasks that require high read and writing speed.