Thread 106219639

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8
AVOID: NXZT, 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, Corsair 6500

>CPU
Budget: 9600X, 7600X, 7500f
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
AVOID Shittel

>COOLER
AIO: Best Value: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Premium LCD: TRYX Panorama
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Mugen 6 Dual Fan/TR AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid purchases for new builds but if you have an ASRock mobo and Zen 5 CPU update it to the latest BIOS ASAP which may or may not solve the melting issue.

>RAM
Gaming: DDR5 2x16GB 6000CL30
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: NM790
Mid range: SN7100
Premium: SN850X
Flagship: SN8100

>GPU
1080p: RX 9060 XT 16GB, Poorfag Esports Gaming: Used GPU between $100-$250
1440p: RX 9070 XT, RX 9070, Budget: RX 9060 XT 16GB
4K:Used RTX 4090, RX 9070 XT
Workstation: Used RTX 4090 or RTX 3090 ti
AVOID RTX 50 Series: False advertising "5070=4090 performance!!", unsafe power connector, broken drivers, overpriced compared to RDNA 4 in most regions, threatening reviewers, manipulating and faking reviews, evil anti-consumer company etc.
ALWAYS pair AMD GPUs with AMD CPUs for SAM https://imgur.com/a/6XSNJ9b

>PSU
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
https://www.rtings.com/monitor

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2

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>>106219639 (OP)
Can the Intel 285(non-k)+RTX5090FE in the fractal design ridge run 4K240 with DLSS4? It’ll have to run at pcie4 cause they haven’t made an updated version. It’s about the size as the OG PS5
Monitor will be the ROG Swift PG27UCDM and I’ll use the HyperX Cloud III wired headphones

>>106219672
Don't buy that CPU for a gaming PC; it's a filler product and performs like one in gaming benchmarks.

>>106219673
bro 9950X is majorly overclocked from factory. so much so some motherboards don't even set the advertised specs so it doesn't melt down.
these CPUs are massively factory overclocked because retards buy them if number higher. just underclock that shit, will still work great. like really great. not as good as factory specs, but still very good in the grand scheme of things.

>>106219703
>Don't get the performance you paid for
>Work around the shit bin or hardware deficiency
Nah, fuck that bitch mentality. AMD's sending replacement CPUs if you bought their warranty-covered, boxed SKUs.

>>106219687
I’m basically copying the Falcon Northwest Tiki. They use either the non K Intel 285 or AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

>>106219672
9800x3d and 9950x3d can better keep up with the 5090 and are lower power to boot
That case seems slightly cramped so make sure to give some slack to the 12vhpwr cable so that the connector has equal current balancing and won't melt

what's a setup cost that can run modern games 144fps on at least high?

>>106219722
Get the 9800X3D.
Pic compares a 285K to a 9950X (non-X3D), the 285K test PC is running costlier 8200MT/s CUDIMM DDR5 memory modules.
Core Ultra 200 CPUs appear to run well in Cyberpunk because CD Projekt Red is one of the few game devs that like to optimize their game's performance (eventually).

>>106219703
Didn't amd silently nerf the 7950x's clocks by 200mhz through a ucode update after launch because it was unstable
I wouldn't expect them to repeat the same mistake with the 9950x again

>>106219760
Set aside maybe $1500~2000.
Yeah, it sucks.

>>106219720
that works as long as it's under warranty. they dgaf after. just limit that bitch and will work fine stop being retarded on your top cinebench scores that's not real it's all in your head it's literally irrelevant in practice.

>>106219760
am4 + 9070xt works great. prolly $1500 with monitor and accessories included

>>106219722
>I’m basically copying the Falcon Northwest Tiki. They use either the non K Intel 285
These system integrators have to commit to a supply contract years/months before they get to know the performance of the CPU.
All those pre-built brands have to shill the Arrow Lake CPUs they've ended up with.
Motherboard manufacturers also got the short end of the stick with these Intel CPUs.

I can't remember the last time someone seriously asked for a Z890 board recommendation.

>>106219760
1080p or 1440p with fairly aggressive dlss? Like a 5070 or 9070 and an i5
What's a better use of resources is getting to 60ish and just turning on multi framegen.

>>106219854
Which X3D cpu do I get, I want at least the 9800X3D. I will just play games, movies, tv, anime

>>106219875
9800X3D is good enough for that use case.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d/

>>106219875
9800x3d would be perfect then. 9950x3d includes a 2nd cluster of cores that don't scale as well in performance because of latency downsides so it's a waste of money for gaming.

What's the best am4 cpu I can use to pair up a 5060ti?

Any information on a 9080 XT or is it over for this AMD gen? I have a 7900 XTX but I feel like I need more.
>inb4 buy njewdia

>>106219930
Just get AM5 bruh

>>106219947
you can get an am4 motherboard + 5900XT cpu + 64gb of ram for the price of a single am5 cpu. add an extra $100 on top for am5 motherboard, and $100 on top for ddr5, and few $100s on top for cpu and you get basically same gaming experience, more or less, but for $500 extra on am5. lmao

Still no news about GPUs with 32GB VRAM?
I need more VRAM and its not for AI.

>>106219940
I doubt that GPU was ever be released. Buckle up and wait for rdna5/udna if 9070xt isn't enough for you

>>106219940
>Any information on a 9080 XT or is it over for this AMD gen?
9080 XT isn't happening, 9070 XT maxed out Navi 48.
AMD isn't releasing a higher-tier GPU that is costlier to design & manufacture mid-generation.

>I have a 7900 XTX but I feel like I need more.
You don't need more™.

>>106219930
You probably won't get a fairly priced X3D chip so your best bet would be a used 5600X or 5800X. The latter needs good cooling to shine and the performance gain in gaming isn't huge.

>>106219970
yeah some 32gb 9070xt leaked recently, but might be enterprise pro series.

>>106220003
https://youtu.be/lVkq_N2Mfng

>>106219970
you can get 128gb unified memory (80gb/96gb vram) with amd's AI max+ 395

>>106220006
from minute 7 mark, already released apparently, but for system integrators atm, will come to diy market.

>>106219959
yeah (((people))) here recommend lga 1700 or core ultra for value yet am4 is ded and should be avoided
makes you think

>>106220026
it helps that alderlake has a lot more pcie lanes, gen5 lanes and faster cores

>>106220026
>am4 is ded
it just werks and is cheap. if whole system costs $1500 with monitor and keyb/mouse/power supply/case included, fuck does $300 matter? wait it out for two years until am6. cost is low for am4 platform and game performance is high by comparison to cost and performance of am5.

>>106219930
You can still find 5800XTs for around 160 USD

What are some essential AM5 BIOS settings besides EXPO?

>>106219940
get a 5090

>>106219946
What do you mean, you don't know what you're gonna use it for? Don't you already have a laptop or PC? Don't you use it? You're just gonna do the same things on your new PC as you do on your current PC, but faster.

wtf

>>106220160
I'm also wondering this. PBO/EXPO on -25 ccd0, -20 ccd1 with +50 of the boost whatever on my 9950x3d. Anything else?

>>106220395
turn off all driver bloat installer in bios
adjust vsoc to a value between 1.10 and 1.25v

Do I bite the bullet on this, running 1440p 144hz and upgrading from a 2070.

Price is in AUD so I guess around $785 USD.

>>106220455
My recommendation as an 9070xt owner is only go AMD if it's like $250 cheaper than 5070ti

>>106220455
thats not too bad a deal since it is a good model

Why do I want to punch uppity appleshitters in the face so bad?

>>106219639 (OP)
So
DDR5 6000cl30
Ddr4 3200cl16
Ddr3??

>>106220737
2400cl7

>>106220737

maybe ddr 1600 sloppy timings smallest number like 13 not quite remember

>>106219639 (OP)
>Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
What do you guys think about using a server machine like amd epyc + used nvidia card (AI) as a daily driver? My budget is up to $2200.

>>106221253
epycs have garbage gaming performance especially considering you’d probably be getting an old zen 2 one

>>106220171
Honestly not enough VRAM and shits like 3x more expensive than a XTX but not even 2x faster

>>106220737
1600CL8

>>106219639 (OP)
rocketnon??

>>106221346
Good to know. Thanks.

This is only tangentially related, but is $150 a good price for a used Quest 3s?

>>106221253
Even if you were finding one that is old and used up can you even find a server CPU like that at a reasonable price?

Please rate my rig. I've had it for probably 8 months now.
4080 super
I913900k
32gb ram
8tb m.2 ssd for storage for games
It works really well and i'm happy with performance, but i've noticed some struggle for games like The Alters (i've had to turn on dlss), and I can't run ultra for the battlefield 6 without going less than 30 fps.
I'm not super knowledgeable about PC's, this is my first build after a year of research.

>>106221803
don't care/10
just make sure your bios is updated so your cpu doesn't explode

>>106221803
What resolution is your monitor? That build definitely shouldn't struggle with Battlefield 6

>>106221803
Never use ultra in games always do custom. Once you read and understand the settings you will know why. 50% fps loss for no visual change because many options are a scalar of your resolution and if your resolution is already high you're just doing retarded settings like MSAA does.

>>106221803
That's just how it is because the 4080 super is a medium sized GPU compared to the true high-end 4090 gpu. But even then I wouldn't blame your hardware since there seems to be more and more games coming out that runs unnecessarily badly despite not looking better than older games. It really makes one wonder whether this is intentionally done to sell more hardware

i saw a comment on youtube earlier today with over 100 likes that pissed me off, it stated that the 5080 is a terrible choice for 1440p but the 5070ti is the perfect choice.
mind you they are both 16gb so both really aren't suited for high refresh 4k ultra raytaced settings imo

>>106221803
>CPU: fast but hugely inefficient and prone to breakage. 6/10
>GPU: good. 9/10
>Ram: speed/latency unknown. 5/10
>SSD: specs unknown. probably 5/10
6.5/10

>>106222053
It's probably more of the fact that paying ~500 more US dollars for a 10-15% performance gain is kind of a big waste

>>106222053
Lots of people can't understand nuance and the difference between value and performance

>>106222053
Both cards are terrible in general. Nonstop driver issues no matter if you're on Windows or Linux or FreeBSD.
Not to mention the quality issues, the typical 5080 or 5070ti is overpriced for a shitty Windforce or Zotac Solid model compared to the price you pay for premium edition 9070xt nitro or taichi.

>>106222079
key words(terrible choice for 1440p)
they are implying that the card is strictly to be used for 4k only

Call me a retarded nigger

>>106222128
at least be retarded with a 2tb ssd

>>106222128
>9900x with a low profile heatsink rated for 95W maximum in an ITX case
based retard

>>106222147
That's just the boot drive
>>106222156
Epic. But that stupid case only fits smol

i honestly don't see the obsession itx builds
overpriced and not compatible with 90% of components
you're just shooting yourself in the dick for no reason

>>106222170
What if there's a shootout or a natural disaster and I need to GTFO ASAP? I can't fucking lug my ATX shithouse now, can I?

>>106222189
how weak must you be if you cannot easily pick up a mid tower

>>106222189
in high stress situations humans can exhibit superhuman strength and speed

>>106222189
Buy a gun so you can win the shootout instead of fleeing whenever a new posse rides into town

>>106222189
superglue backpack straps to a full sized ATX case and it'll be ready to grab and go, doubles as body armor

>>106222246
what if my emotional intelligence is really high which prevents me from becoming stressed?

New BIOS came out

>AMD Agesa 1.2.0.3f - Enhanced system performance, stability, device compatibility, and overclocking support

Did anyone actually feel the enhanced performance?

>>106222359
Everyone experiences adrenaline no matter the IQ. It just requires the right setting.

>>106222370
>Did anyone actually feel the enhanced performance?
your mom did

>>106221593
I very much recommend 1 m.2 or ssd for your boot drive+all essential drivers and programs, the speed of which is irrelevant, just reliability of the components matter, so samsung/wd black is your best bet 95% of the time, 500g to 1tb max cap.

Then you want a high-end gen4/5 m.2 for gaming, samsung 990pro (gen4) or 9100pro (gen5) in your primary slot for gaming at peak perf, 4TB ideally for future proofing, but 2TB is fine if you only want to play a handful of games at a time.

After that, you want an ssd/gen3-4m.2 for data storage, which can be however large you think you'll need, how much piracy you'll engage in and other productive tasks aswell. Isolating these roles in your rig makes recovery if 1 drive dies or is damaged by acts of god or whatever, you can still have a fully functioning pc in other areas.

You can add more ssds/m.2 drives for production/media storage as needed until your mobo/case cannot support anymore. Always make sure your m.2s/ssds have a dram cache built-in so they both perform better without draining your pcs ram, and are more reliable to boot.

>>106222387
not me, i'm just that cool.

>>106222529
mf got no self-preservation instinct lol how are you still alive

huh, so weeks of trouble shooting driver issues, disabling various crap, and going through solution, using different hdmis and dp cables and so on, even getting close to sending my 5090 to microcenter to see if they could repair any problems,
and it turns out the problem was my psu was just shit, and getting a new one stopped the shut downs during high loads.

>>106223425
but now what do i do with the old one?

>>106219875
wait for 9600x3d and 9700x3d releases the 800 will be overkill for basic daily 2k usage

>>106223447
give it to recycling place since you cant put psus in trash

>>106219940
you dont need one , just have patience for 2 more years the alleged 380W flagship will be insane enough

>>106223483
You absolutely can, you can also throw them in the ocean

>>106223494
this logo is on the label and on your battery for reason

>>106221803
homosexuallness reeks from that build

>>106223425
sell it on ebay, if you kept the box, you can pay a buck for some bubble-wrap, pay another buck for the envelope-sleeve, and send it to whoever wants to pay half-price for a used psu.

I wonder what brand you had? im sure its not terrible, just too weak for a 90series. Ebay organises everything and takes like a 10-15% cut of the final sale. Sold my spare ram kit i bought for the wrong reasons earlier this year no problem.

>>106222128
for the love of whatever you believe in switch that to a 9700x cpu and to a thermalright phantom 120 you dont have to buy samsung for gaming its for retarded niggers who want to look cool by paying more go for a kioxia pro/acer gm7/patriot or gigabyte go for gen4 and also go for phanteks/thermalright/seasonic atx 3.1/5.1 ATX psu s they must be cheaper than that

>>106223542
he wants to use a pc case for ants so that cooler won't fit i believe

Is this good for gayming and video editing and general uses?
Don't look too much into the prices because I'm not from the US, half of the parts I'll be buying local brands that are cheaper, but the overall specs are pretty much identical to pic. I mostly want to know if the specs make sense

I'm thinking about only buying 1 stick of 32gb and later on I get another one, just to cut costs and get the PC earlier, same with probably getting a 2tb or even 1tb drive, and then later on I buy the final size I want because I already have a 3tb hdd and 500gb ssd

>>106223542
>switch to 9700X
That's 8/16, 9900X is 12/24, so 9900X is better, right? What's the catch?
>thermalright phantom 120
case too smol
>samsung
I just added whatever was highly rated. I don't really play demanding games.
>PSU
Need a small PSU because smol build.

>>106223658
Running only 1 stick of RAM will gimp your system, it's always better to have 2 identical sticks running in dual-channel mode

>>106223700
$800 for just cpu+mobo+32gb is like insane.

>>106223700
NTA, but I'd swap that 9900x for 9700x out of necessity, that 9900x is going to run way too hot in that case with that cooler. Maybe consider an AIO cooler with radiator that you can mount possibly?

>>106223742
not him but $800 for all of that is pretty standard in ad 2025

>>106223700
9900x is worse for games but better for productivity because reasons that I'm too tired to explain right now

>>106223734
The performance difference shouldn't be that big that it's worth it to not get the entire pc earlier, and then I can wait to get the other stick while I'm already using the pc

>>106223764
doesn't matter what you try to make seem as normal. it's insane. he can get 16/32 top am4 cpu, 64gb, upgrade to 9060xt and save money on top of everything, AND have more fps in games. this is just retarded lol it's just a bad purchase
>future proof
oh fuck off

>>106223658
>SSD with no DRAM
Get an WD SN850X, Kingston KC3000, Samsung 980/990 Pro or Crucial T500.

>>106223792
>9060xt
I meant 9070xt

>>106223770
Probably something to do with 1x8 vs 2x6?
>>106223742
I just want something ridiculous. I'm going to use it for at least five years anyway.
>>106223763
Interdasting
>>106223792
Very interdasting, but unfortunately those AM4 CPUs are pretty sketch and often used. I'd rather blow my money on something that I can hold the manufacturer responsible for.

Holy shit, why are sound drivers so CANCEROUS?

Each mobo company have their own one which is tied to the specific mainboard, making it over 9000 versions.
And now Realtek does not even have a stand alone control program anymore, it's tied to the fucking Microsoft Store (UWP)

MSRP 5090 arrives today, wasn't too bad of a wait. 4090 FE sold for 2.3K, 5090 FE cost 2.15K. Best Buy has 5 new reviews added for the thing every day, yet never in stock. I will need a 2nd one soon for work proof of concept. I would get an RTX Pro Blackwell, but apparently, vGPU and MIG are fucking broken, great investment.

>>106223814
>those AM4 CPUs are pretty sketch and often used
get a new one maybe? wat? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nYvD4D/amd-ryzen-9-5900xt-33-ghz-16-core-processor-100-100001581wof

>>106223818
i never bothered messing with sound drivers, i just assumed they come with windows.
all i literally do is plug my headphones into a dac that is connected to the back of my mobo and it works perfectly.

>>106223814
with 5900XT + 9070XT you get...more fps, than with 9900X + 9060XT. for the next 5 years. and you still have 32 threads, those babies can still sing. you will not get more fps in 4 years with a 9060XT just because 9900X is slightly faster than a 5900XT

This is it, this is the final day to consoom
LG C4 sales (and C5 actually too but they are more) final day is here - do I consoom or not consoom is the question?
The good thing is I have 2 months return window so it might be worth trying out, if it's significantly worse in size/hz/not being qdoled, I will kneel and admit defeat and go back to monitors or wait until a smaller qd oled tv releases or just buy a giant ass 55"

what do (You) think?

>>106218155
>why should he do this? TVs should look good in factory settings, that's unjustifiable.
because for the same reason you open up the osd on your monitor and increase brightness or modify the settings to your liking, you just don't use whatever is shipped in the box
adding insult to injury tv's have way deeper settings to alter image than monitors have which makes it even worse

>>106223836
>>106223860
I don't care about FPS and CPUBenchmark puts the 9900X 20% higher than the 5900XT.

>>106223541
>I wonder what brand you had
thermaltake
bought a NZXT to replace it

>>106223849
Latency?
I use PC for gayming.

External DAC means more latency...

>>106223886
I will never understand bigger than 32" monitors. Never. People who do this: How are your necks not killing you, or what are your viewing distances?

>>106223911
what.. like sound latency?
lol it imperceptible at most if it even existed at all.

>>106223896
yeah but it's 60% more expensive for that extra 20%, and you lose 8 threads. if you don't care about fps why get a GPU, just get iGPU. paying more for cpu+mobo+ram than GPU is pretty dumb but whatever. it's your computer.

>>106223911
The meta for the latency placebo type audiophile is optical to external DAC to avoid any USB latency

>>106223886
>tv's have way deeper settings to alter image than monitors have which makes it even worse
lmao tvs are famous for locking you out of changing certain settings, especially in the game mode.

>>106223911
optical or spdif. optical can do 24/96, even 192 I think, but 24/96 is fine for anything really.

>>106223794
I'm going to buy a chinky brand that's cheaper, if I go buy a SN850X it'll cost literally 2x for the same size

>>106223925
I looked it up and for me, it's about 30% more expensive for that 20%. But point noted.

>>106223931
>>106223948
Too bad, I switched mainboard, the new one does not have Toslink....also downgraded from ALC1220 Codec to ALC892.

Now my inears do sound even less loud at same volume, also less detail/effect.

>>106223541
>I wonder what brand you had
thermaltake 1350 watts, in theory it should have been able to take it, nvidia minimum was 1000 watts
bought a NZXT 1500 watts to replace it , im not sure if it was just a bad psu or maybey the extra 150 watts as enough to not have it constantly cause a shutdown during high loads. the 5090 I manged to get came only with a 4 8pin to 12VHPWR connector of which the thermaltake psu did not have enough pci-e port but did have a 12VHPWR so i just connected the 12VHPWR line directly to the 12VHPWR on the thermaltake , NZXT did have enough pci-e ports to do the 4 cables to one thing and that is how its connected now, i wonder if that was the issue. like if the 5090 power control stuff was designed around the fact that it was expecting power to be coming from 4 merged pci-e cables and a single 12VHPWR during high load caused unexpected behavior and triggered some sort of shutdown signal.

>>106223978
am4 itx is like $99, and you'd also get 64gb instead of 32gb. unless you're running gentoo or need cpu power for work it's just not worth it. you pay $150 on top for motherboard, get only 32gb of ram, and a shittier gpu. it's only cpu price lol.

>>106223978
AM4 is dead there's 0 point buying it

>>106224006
>it's only cpu price lol.
I meant it's not only cpu price, it's everything. anyway, you do you, gaems will run worse but you'll feel better you're on the new thing, so at least you'll have that going on for you

>>106224015
the point is like having more fps. you buy it to have some performance for some money
>get am5 bro it's future proof
>it's good for 5 years
>you can upgrade next year just pay another $500 for another cpu
nothing will ever change the fact that you're on 9060XT instead of 9070XT and your fps will be lower, no amount of mental gymnastics will ever change your fps count

just buy a decent am5 system now and upgrade the cpu around 2028 and then replace the whole system around 2032

>>106224036
>just have lower fps bro, it's fucking based
>pay more, get less, simple as

>>106223989
Most likely scenario is an overzealous OCP/SCP circuit tripping the unit during a spike. Going from 200 to 800W in 5ms looks a lot like a short and older units were not built with such extreme transients in mind.

>>106224032
What's your issue here

Why are you still taking and why do you care

>>106224006
I agree with you, but it just feels very weird to buy something two years old when I'm going to haul this system for years, and that price difference isn't going to matter for a haul that long.
>>106224032
And I don't really play video games at all. I'm just going to run bog-standard debian on this thing, only it's going to be so much faster than my current machine.

>>106224043
>buy a dead platform bro it's so based
>i don't care about FPS I need a better CPU
>imma still beat this dead horse bro

>>106224064
stop
>>106224036
Sounds great desu

>>106224064
why do you care? I'm just countering slop consoom propaganda.
notice how none of you had any fucking argument, against AM5 +9060XT having lower fps. that is for a very important reason, there is no argument, no matter what AM5 cpu you get you will never ever have more fps with AM5+9060XT vs AM4+9070XT (which saves money, and gets you double RAM on top of that).

>z690/z790 board off ebay : $50-$100
>14600kf : $150
>ddr5, a small nvme boot drive, and a sata hard drive : Like $150 or something idk.
>5060ti/9060xt : $430/350

List a better value build. Please note that you literally can't, and also this isn't what I use.

>>106224072
>it just feels
yes, it's not rational, it's feefees. that's what I'm saying. you deserve lower fps. until you figure out reality you fucking deserve having lower fps. and you will be happy about having lower fps
>And I don't really play video games at all.
>9060XT
you will feel exactly 0 difference between 5900XT and 9900X for that. at least you'd have 64gb for a hefty ramdrive. whatever

>>106224090
How is saying "buy a dead platform and spend more money on a GPU you do not need" helping anyone or anything expressly ignoring exactly what the buyer wants or needs?

Your actions literally only make sense if you have the desire to see people only buy a 9070XT either because you're a shill or a demented retard.

Has anyone tried these knockoff chinese mx master 3 mice? ive been thinking of getting one just for the supposed better dpi

>>106223983
If you have a free PCIe x1 slot you could buy s cheap soundcard

>>106224110
>buy a dead platform
this is not an argument, this is a fake psyop. you are buying something which gives you some performance, for like $400 cpu+mobo+ram. it's irrelevant cost compared to $800.
instead of buying psyop dreams like "future proof platform" you figure out you are actually buying something you WILL use for the next years, not to upgrade next year, but to actually use and enjoy. money and performance says am4 gives you more fps in games, because you can afford a better gpu.
this "dead platform" is a psyop, gets you playing on hardware which doesn't exist yet. instead of realizing you will actually use whatever shit am5 slop you will buy, not that promised upgrade in 3 years. and in 3 years am6 is coming out anyway. it's just retarded.

>Intel collapses
Are B580s kill?

>>106223955
That said i understand buying a smaller drive and fewer RAM to start with and getting an extra drive and another stick a year from now after you have recovered from the purchase of the whole rig. Just keep in mind that a 32gb stick will be slower than 2x16 on dual mode, until you get that extra 32gb (a year later or whatever)
>I'm going to buy a chinky brand that's cheaper
There is a reason is 50% cheaper, storage is not the only parameter at stake anon.
You do you.

>>106224096
>hard drive
>8gb GPU
Build is fine other than this

>>106224148
>and in 3 years am6 is coming out anyway.
two years. AM5 is also a dead platform. if you're buying AM5 now upgrading in 2 years is dumb. but buying AM4 now for chips will worth upgrading in 2-3 years to AM6, initial cost was low enough, had more fps from better GPU, and worth the AM6 upgrade as performance improvement. you now get 20% extra CPU performance for $400 extra cost, 32GB less and a shittier GPU. lol

>>106224096
>in-tel-aviv
No.
>>106224090
It doesn't get me new hardware.
>>106224108
9900X is faster in single-core though.
>>106224148
Interdasting. You're right that either processor would be a step up from what I'm using right now. But I'm really having a difficult time suffocating my internal consoomer (really, whatever tiny form it's in).

>>106223955
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit?gid=0#gid=0
if you're willing to put in the work you might find something cheap but still good
go to data in the menu, click the create filter view
then filter
DRAM - yes
interface 3.0 and 4.0 pcie
mid-range nvme & high-end nvme
finally filter out literal who brands (addlink, asgard, asura, digifast, drevo, essencore, foresee, goodram, hikvision, klevv, netac, nextorage, visiontek, zadak)
and then start googling.

>>106224207
9900X is faster on paper/benchmarks, in practice it will feel the same though. that's my point. you are paying $400 extra, get that somewhat better CPU, get only 32gb instead of 64gb, and a lower tier GPU. but do whatever makes you feel best. I was discussing things on principle, not telling you what to buy.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-reportedly-halts-ryzen-7-5700x3d-shipments-effectively-ending-am4-3d-v-cache-lineup

AYYMDEAD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

INTEL WON WITH 144MB CACHE

>>106224306
and will use over 350w just to achieve that

>>106224376
Yeah it's crazy how much power Intel uses in games. BF6 is doing 250-300w on Intel while and is 90-130w.

Sorry to ask for spoonfeed but:
Could anyone recommend a build for roughly $1800, with nvidia gpu and intel cpu

I live in NYC so shipping isn't usually an issue

>>106224447
core ultra 7 265k and rtx5070

>>106224306
they're just boosting their AM5 sells, people figured out AM4 is that good still

>>106224447
You shouldn't support Intel during the genocide but
14600kf
Z690
5070ti
750w PSU
1tb nvme
What ever case your awful taste desires

>>106219639 (OP)
an rtx5090 literally caught fire

>>106224612
>not even the connector
impressive

>>106224612
>600w
>zotac
This was inevitable

>>106224670
looks like a vrm meltdown? still whatever tf oozed out of it? what's plastic in that bottom part of the pcb?

>>106224680
yes

Retard here, is it normal that a new GPU affects performance in newer games much more than in older games(i.e. DX9)? A while ago I upgraded my old 8700 from a 1060 6GB to a 3060 12GB to keep it aroudn a little longer, and noticed that the performance gains in old, mostly Dx9 titles was relatively modest, usually ranging from 20-50%, while DX10/11/12 titles had massive performance increases, like going from 70 to 200 fps and the like. Why is that? Do newer GPUs jsut have better compatibility with newer titles or what is the reason newer titles benefit much more?

>>106224707
Newer games use vram for caching and caching is fast.
Old games don't expect you to have the 12gb so don't try and use it

>>106220557
That’s shit advice. The 9070xt is functional identical to the 5070ti +/- 5% performance. I’d say grab one if it’s at least 10% cheaper than a 5070ti, which seems to be when most buyers are grabbing them.

>>106224707
No one is making game ready drivers for your 50 series GPU on a 20 year old game anon. They’re not nearly as optimized for new cards as old ones so newer cards don’t get the gains I. Older games like they do in new ones.

>>106224707
older titles tend to have much lower detail and don't stress gpus the same way newer games do. in those older games it could be that your 3060's pixel fillrate is already overkill and that the bottleneck shifts to memory access latency which has stagnated over the last 20 years

>9950x3d no longer listed on amazon
Oi...

>>106224887
its getting replaced by the superior 9951x3d with dual 3d ccds

>>106224893
If true then that would be nice.

>>106224922
amd is trying to pre-emptively steal novalake's lunch just in case it will actually deliver like the leaked specs says it would

>>106223919
I have never tried it, 32 was pretty big last time I tried and it was already at bottom height with bezel at absolute bottom close to table, but my table was too high and too little depth
but like you said it's all about viewing distance, but even then maybe there comes a point where height becomes too much and you need to start placing the display at lower than table height
I saw a guy on yt use a tv way below table and across the room from table

>>106223944
yeah alot of tv features get disabled but you still have insane amounts of calibration options even then even if you don't use hacks which you also can do

>>106224937
I don't trust intel to deliver any longer. Though I'm not sure I entirely trust AMD. I do want to try out their relatively high end CPU(s) at least once. Threadripper not included because I don't want to spend thousands on CPUs that likely don't benefit vidya one bit.

My monitor died today, what's a decent 2560x1440/144hz+/IPS option to get nowadays? The one I had was a Viewsonic VX2758, I'll try to get it fixed but the repairshop has nothing but negative reviews.

>>106223886
I was gonna go put some cash into my account to consoom, but the banking system was fucked so you could not deposit, I was unironically thinking about this that It could happen this day, funny it happens just today since I have never seen it happen before at that location even, I could go to another part of town and deposit some money but I am probably too lazy to do it
guess I will not consoom the C4 today, I take this as divine intervention
we live to see another day and to consoom and cope about OLEDs again
the shit posting about WOLED/QDOLED vs Monitor/TV will continue for now
I was unironically ready to try the 42" meme and see it was good, but oh well
next time maybe

ok, what fucking GPU can I use for gaming and video editing?
the fucking first post changes every other day, same with the opinions here
I was first told a 5060 ti is alright for my needs
then got told a 5070 is better despite having less vram
then the first post keeps claiming to buy used 4090 or 3090 ti yet those are never for sale, where the fuck are you buying used for a reasonable price??? in my country people are selling those for double the msrp USED (between 2k and 3k usd)
then it was, wait for the 50 series supers bro
and now its "Nvidia is the devil, buy used or get Amd if you only game lmao"
I dont want to buy a GPU, then have some faggot here telling me "you wasted your money bro shouldve boughted this instead"
can I get an answer that wont change in 3 business days please
I only want to game at 1440p and edit at 4k, im planning on getting the 9950x but ill see how much more it will be for 9950x3d so what do I pair with any of those two?

>>106225069
>video editing
then you're locked into the nvidia ecosystem
forget about used 24gb cards because of AI niggers
4060ti 16gb or 5060ti 16gb are decent choices right now.
if you need more ram than that (you probably don't) then the only current choice would be the 5090 32gb, until the 5070 super 18gb and 5070ti 24gb cards gets launched in november to december.

>>106223989
so your psu wasnt designed to even accomodate a 5090, and swapping to one that was, made it work? yeah your thermaltake is fine, it was your skill issue buying a psu that would work fine for literally any gpu on the market except for a 90series, because it doesnt have the cable-setup it needs, like i predicted.

Sub-2k when? Wasn't there supposed to be some price drop??!!?111

>>106225127
lmao @ your sad life paypig. As if Njudea would ever give you a discount kek.

somebody please give me an excuse for not building a new pc to replace my 9 year old machine.

>>106225177
imagine if you dropped 3k on a brand new machine today and the sun launches a XX class solar flare towards earth next week and fry the grid and your brand new PC

>>106225149
>antisemitism on technologoy
oy gevalt

>>106225201
legit reason but wouldn't kinda send humanity back into the stone age and not just my pc?

Suppose a motherboard (MSI) needs a bios update to support a specific CPU (7 9800X3D); is it safe to fully assemble the entire PC with unsupported CPU to then immediately flash the update on first boot? I don't want to risk any "melting" or the like.

>>106225201
your pc is the least of your problems

>>106225127
>Wasn't there supposed to be some price drop??!!?111
only for lower level gpus afair.
everything better than a 5070 stays.

>>106225246
dang

>>106225231
for intel it makes sense though

Gaymer nexus said Intel is over.

>>106225360
without competition AM6 prices will go through the roof.

>>106225376
>AM6
AMD already changing socket? Jesus.

>>106225383
am6 is 2 generations out
zen6 has yet to be released and it will be on am5

>>106223700
i have no idea about smol builds fren im only experienced around mATX sorry

Wtf is this retarded drama queens problem?

>>106225383
yeah in 2027. they already went way overboard with AM5 prices because intel shit the bed, if intel is kill then they'll be shameless on AM6. whare are we going to do? buy ARM CPUs? lel

>>106225444
based tech jesus thinking about the people and not selling his soul to corporations like you did

>>106225509
Joke's on you, anon never had a soul

>>106225509
>about the people
>soul
>"I'm going to shill slightly smaller corporation now because Nvidia told me to stop being a nigger"
>"Also the rest of my videos are going to be shit flinging or sucking off my friends"

>>106225570
the only mention of AMD in that picrel is about something which is true, 9070 is efficient af. where problem?

>>106225570
steve and the aussie stev are doing the god's work the hell are you talking about nigger

Anyone have a 4000D Airflow with a 50 series card?
worried if I upgrade it wont fit, but I cant find anything telling me otherwise

Is it normal for amazon workers to deliver packages in their own car? Lately I see them do some weird shit only when I'm ordering PC parts. One of them just drove in a normal black car to deliver my HDD.

>>106225447
the prices are high, but the gains for each generation are significant. They're measured and proportionate for their cpu range, but their gpus are the parts that are overpriced for what they offer, by around ~20-30% on average, and i say that as an AMD exclusive power user. That being said Njudea are overpriced by much more than that, and Supreme Rabbi Jensen would laugh in your face if you were dumb enough to complain about it to his face.

I want intel to stay in the market, and they will, but for how long is a matter of serious debate. Njudea have been talking about entering the cpu-space themselves for awhile now, that'd be something to see. Something horrific im sure.

>introducing Nvidia super-threading! check out the range of games that wont work without our proprietary, patented technology!

>>106225237
i can't speak for your specific motherboard anon but i had to update the bios on my current AM4 board for it to support a newer cpu i had gotten
My board came with a system to flash the bios up without mounting the rest of the pc, just the motherboard, the power supply, and a USB stick with the updated bios on it.
Check if you board has such a system and the specifics to it.
As for your question i assume (but i dont know my head from my ass) that you will not get display if it doesn't support the CPU and won't get to the first bios to update it

>>106225699
dont address him like he's anything but a neurotic shitskin shill anon, you're not associating with a rational person. Anyone ITT defending Njudeas business practices are mentally ill at the very least.

Its still 9070xt or 5070TI if i want the most "bang" for my money?
For overall use, but mainly gaming.

If Philips fixed their oled firmware they would be the best price performance oleds on the market with the most features, at least here
But as it stands they are unusable kind of
I might have to go back to ips, the only problem is you also get frustrated looking how expensive lcds are still in comparison with shitty resolutions too

>>106225882
You already know the answer, the 5070ti.
>>106225878
seethe

>>106225882
depends on the price tag in your country. If the prices are within 10%, go Njudea, if the margin is higher, go amd.

It also depends on how tech-savvy you are, if you want to do production stuff with amd you need a higher skill level, but its perfectly possible.

>>106225926
im not mad anon, why would i be? this is contempt, its a very different emotion, you are contemptuous, get it right paypig.

>>106225444
He needs views to get enough cash to afford a 5090 setup.

Reminder
>Intel + Nvidia = Faggot Normie Consoomer or Indian
>Ryzen + Nvidia = Reddit
>Intel + Arc = Brain Damage
>Ryzen + Arc = Schizo
>Intel + Radeon = Schizo
>Ryzen + Radeon = Real PC Enthusiast #Pewdiepie approved

>>106225444
Negative coverage is well treated by the algorithm

I think its time to upgrade from my 6700k and gtx1080.
Im on 1440p, mainly gaming and some video editing.

I decided on a 9800x3d but im not sure if i need a mb with a b850 or better, i dont plan to overclock it much if any at all and thought about a cheaper b650 board?
As for the 5070ti i guess it got to be nvidia if i want to use AI. Im not sure if i want to wait and speculate for the super versions being around the same price or the regular ti being cheaper in a few months

>>106225127
>>106225149
they will be $2k any day now
njudea hasn't been able to sell any of any of their shit
the AI bubble is being deflated slowly until every last drop of braindead retail traders money has been sucked
then collapse

>>106226085
>algorithm
as if these things aren't micromanaged by jewish propagandists

>>106226113
sadly i don't think ai shit is going anywhere

>>106226094
>i guess it got to be nvidia if i want to use AI
No

>>106226113
if the 5090 gets close to 2k, they'll pull all supply, possibly even mulch the gpus, stop making new ones, and if demand spikes badly, they'll release a 5090ti in ~6months+ MAYBE, or more likely, leave you paypigs to cry and seethe until the 6090 comes out.

They want their artificial pricepoint to stay that high, because they know idiots will line up and paypig for it, and they have no choice, because the server market pays better anyway.

>>106226302
>being mindbroken by njudea's bluffs
actually they are just incompetent retards that misgauged the market badly and are now begging for anyone to buy their trash

>>106226354
>boughted
very good saar

>>106226354
at least you have around 1.5 years to sell it
rnda 3 owners got totally rugpulled
let their downfall be a warning

>>106224447
stay away from intel

>>106226377
rdna*

>>106225882
nitro+ /red devil/aorus elite/tuf 9070xt

>>106226084
based

What RAM is faster:

A) 4000 MHz 18-22-22-42
B) 3200 MHz 16-18-18-36

>>106224447
265k
Alternatively a 13/14600k and a used (z690/z790) motherboard
Aio or custom loop should be considered a hard requirement.

5060ti for 1080p/budget 1440p
5070 for 1080p++/not incredibly futureproofed1440p.
5070ti for 1440p/budget 4k

Performance gained from 5060ti to 5070 is in most games bigger than 5070 to 5080.
You buy the 5070ti for the vram, difference in 1080p and 1440p in 99% of games is going to be like 5%-15%ish. Heavy RT is basically the only place you'll see a +30% or similar

>>106226473
A)
but it's not like you're going to notice the difference in every days usage.

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/blackwell-ai-acceleration-workstation-rtx-pro/
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/products/workstations/professional-desktop-gpus/rtx-pro-4000-sff/
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/products/workstations/professional-desktop-gpus/rtx-pro-2000/

NVIDIA WON

THANK YOU NVIDIA

Give it to me straight lads. Is Noctua worth it?

>>106226354
>>106226624
>Me when my dad left to get cigarettes 11 years ago and never came back because he could I tell I was gonna turn out to be a worthless subhuman, so to cope I've been spamming the same posts over and over on an imageboard ever since proving him right.

>>106219639 (OP)
Here goes the AMD tranny again …

>>106225360
>everyone and their mom making videos/articles about how Intel is doomed
Looks like chink bu tan is doing a good job influencing the media to push his agenda. Honestly since gelsinger was around I was already getting the feeling that Intel was gonna push for government welfare, but every single move made since chink bu tan was hired has confirmed their plan. Expect more doom and gloom before you start seeing the same people claiming that Intel is needed and that the US should save them by bailing them out, ultimately Intel is going for the car manufacturers strategy of being "too big to fail" and forcing the government to give them money so they can "survive".

>>106226818
>I just started becoming a faggot so that makes me less bad than the one that's been getting raped in the ass longer

>>106226702
Can you people stop sperging out and answer my question?

>>106226844

>>106226911
Real pc gamers just buy jet engine delta fans

>>106226911
On a strict dB/°C/$ standard, no, but your noise tolerance is entirely subjective.

>>106227038
>/$
That one is obviously out of the window with Noctua if I'm spending 40€ on a single fan. I'm more interested if they are actually noticeably quieter than other "silent" fans out there.

>>106227086
Probably not compared to similarly-priced premium fans but definitely quieter than "bang for buck" models like the P12. Most noticeably in terms of motor/bearing/resonance sounds.

>>106225127
I would get a 5090 burger but the melting connectors makes it seem like a worse investment longterm.
The upcoming 5080 super with 24gigs seems like the better bet, even compared to a 4090.

>>106227237
idk it might have decent RAM but I don't expect it to get close to the performance

i dont want intel to collapse, they just started being the third gpu option and amd being left alone in the cpu market will end badly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXVQVbAFh6I

>>106227281
if a 24gig 5080 is still worse than a 4090, I am done with tech

>>106227347
It's going to be same gpu just more vram

>>106226702
Yes.

>>106226702
yea

>>106227162
Thanks

>>106226702
Always

>>106227442
Based. I bought the a12 g2s for the cooler so I have an extra pair of NF f12s. Think I'll use for the top fans because the RGB looks kinda tacky. U12A doesn't fit in my case so had to get the ps120se.

I am a retarded person.

How do I look for and shop motherboards? I understand specs on other components but other than rear IO, wifi/bluetooth, and socket type I don't understand what makes a $500 mobo different than a $100 one

>>106227833
The price is based on Chipset and VRM quality. If you understand everything else then you should understand how lanes/power work.

>>106227833
Within the same chipset there are really not that many differences between motherboards.
The most expensive models might be slightly better at overclocking but it's never really worth it and they're really there to squeeze money out of people.
The cheapest boards likely skimp on a few components but if you're not going to use those components they can be a fine pick.

Mid range is typically just fine and one brand/model might have a feature that's useful for you.
For example I picked my board because it has integrated 10G ethernet which is something I use and that frees up a PCIe slot for a potential future upgrade.
If it's still all the same to you just pick one that matches your case color.

>>106227798
Based noctuabro. Yeah, I'm not really a fan of rgb coming off components. GPU is the only rgb vomit source atm, but that will be fixed when the entire system is put in a loop.

>>106227906
>VRM quality
The reputable brands put perfectly fine VRM's even on their cheapest boards though, especially if you're not overclocking but even if you are it's typically fine.

It's like picking between a BMW ("low end"), Ferrari ("mid range") or a Maybach ("high end")
All will get you from A to B and not cause any issues.

>>106228056
everyone uses different coils and some coil whine harder than others. asrock chokes are different from gigabyte chokes for example.

do I need to do dual channel with ddr5?

>>106227833
I would always get the mid range if ever in doubt.
I personally dont like skimping out on my boards, I prefer to have all the bells and whistles in case I might need them in the future. But I always prioritize the onboard audio and ethernet over anything else first, so Im usually spending a lot

>>106228220
yes

>>106228220

one stick should be enough to run computer

can you power and send a signal to a secondary monitor with a usb-c connection from your primary monitor?
I am interested in getting one of those small portable monitors as my second display

AAAAIIEEEE they removed the 9950x3d off amazon

>>106225149
>more AMD poor tears
mmm delicious

>>106227346
It's fine. Once Intel collapses AMD can just stop producing chips for the general consumer and can start upcharging the government for billions of dollars. The general public doesn't need computers anyhow. Not in the glorious global juche future beneath the eternal reign of our most glorious oligarchs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chy-5VW5Uxo
jesus man. cant wait for this tech to come to monitors

>>106228394
>I always prioritize the onboard audio
funniest shit i've read all day. it's like a guy bragging about winning gold at the special olympics

>spend almost $2000 building gaming pc
>only play Nightreign
>get Switch 2
>almost every game is expensive and can't emulate on it without Nintendo sending hitmen for me
Uhhh, slightly off topic, but what's the best handheld for emulation and previous gen gaming? Steamdeck is a little old. The Legion Go looks good, but a new version is coming out soon. I should just pull the trigger on the Go S with Steam.

My main monitor started getting strange color dodge splotches, so I was thinking of buying a new monitor called AOC AGON AG276QZD2 any thoughts?

My computer started bugging out after plugging it up to my TV. Displays would not show anything. Figured it was settings so reinstalled windows on a diff hd and never hooked back up to the TV. Eventually though when i went to wake it from sleep, none of the monitors came on and I would have to restart it multiple times, having to use the power switch on the psu and randomly it started. But now nothing I do works and it sounds like it not booting right based on fan noise.
So I know the GPU is fine, it's a brand new 9060xt that I bought after the problems started, the HDs should be fine, ram should be fine. That leaves mobo, cpu and psu. Gonna start with mobo replacement but any ideas wtf is going on? Not even the computer shop could figure it out.

>>106230077
>My main monitor started getting strange color dodge splotches
How long has this been going on? Does it show all the time or only on certain content? Tried swapping display cables?

>so I was thinking of buying a new monitor called AOC AGON AG276QZD2 any thoughts?
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/agon-pro-ag276qzd2
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D682HF6R
It was literally $41 cheaper not three days ago (picrel). There is a used version for $436 on Amazon's Warehouse Listing you can try your luck with (and return it if it's bad). Also make sure you update the firmware as older versions had a frameskipping issue that was fixed.

Otherwise I recommend instead you buy the same exact panel being sold by Acer for basically that AOC's old price for new here:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DWCHRVFS

>>106230217
>But now nothing I do works and it sounds like it not booting right based on fan noise.
>So I know the GPU is fine, it's a brand new 9060xt that I bought after the problems started, the HDs should be fine, ram should be fine. That leaves mobo, cpu and psu. Gonna start with mobo replacement but any ideas wtf is going on? Not even the computer shop could figure it out.
So you can't even get into UEFI/BIOS Setup?
1. Checked your POST LEDs against the manual to see where in the Boot Process its hanging at?
2. If it was randomly working and then not sounds like something just came loose and is shorting. Make sure all the data/PSU power cables/RAM Sticks/GPU/etc are (re)seated firmly. You didn't un/re-screw anything did you?
3. Make sure the CPU cooler is dust-free (if using air) so OTP isn't getting tripped on startup ramp-up

I have 2 * 16gb ddr4-3200 on my msi b450 motherboard. can I upgrade like this?
2 * 16gb + 2 * 32gb ddr4-3200?

>>106230407
Should be fine (make sure BIOS is latest first to maximize QVL compatibility), if one kit is a little slower than the other (higher CAS latency) they'll both default to the slowest pair's level.

>>106225864
>the prices are high, but the gains for each generation are significant.
problem is the platform, AM5 motherboard is $250 while AM4 is $100, and there's like ... no extra features. apart from what's normally expected, faster PCIe, faster RAM, which was always the case on new platforms, for same money.
you don't even get a 2nd M2 slot into CPU that doesn't kill half GPU lanes when used. but price went from $100 -> $250, just because it has AM5 socket. that's it. that's all you get. apart from faster usb slop, which again, is expected, faster, same price, that's how the market went for decades.
250 fucking bucks, for nothing extra. on top of CPU inflated price. top AM4 CPU is 20% worse than 9900X which is latest gen, two gens in between. it's not 2x performance, it's not 1.5x, it's 1.2x, and across two gens. it's just a dumb buy. let alone the whole CPU meltdowns happening on AM5.
yeah, they're nice, performance is good, but that's about it, rest is absolute shitshow.
you had an argument if $100 motherboard went up in price to $150, yeah ok, whatever. but that shit went up 2.5x in price. absolute shameless ripoff

>>106230841
9800X3D is the top AM5 CPU

https://old.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1mn9t5g/removing_my_mpg_321urx_qdoled_anti_glare_panel/
*SCRAPE SCRAPE SCRAPE*
GET GLOSSY! GET GLOSSY!

>>106230962
>Finished result
Apparently raw-dogging bare glass cuts down on the purple tint.

>>106230962
>>106230977

>>106230890
that's half the cores doe and 5900XT shits on it:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+9+5900X
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+9800X3D
It's faster single thread, but 5900XT bests 9800X3D in multi-thread workloads. for less power draw.

More CPU overclocking questions:
Should I aim for settings that avoid throttling? If so, for what tests?

I undervolted as much as I could to start. Then put a 250 / 255w power limit.

if I run the multiplers at stock, there's no throttling in cinebench, but it'll PL throttle in occt avx2.
If I raise the multiplier a bit, I'll get PL spikes in cinebench. If I raise the power limit to 260w, I get throttling from VRM and cpu temp.

What should I actually aim for? Just no throttling / high scores for game benchmarks and don't worry about throttling during stress tests?

Aliexpress cpu and motherboard pic related. Maybe I should have disassembled the vrm heat sink and put honeywell thermal pads on.

>>106231228
run the highest clocks that don't throttle in your heaviest game. throttling will negatively affect frame pacing so its better to run a lower non-throttling clock than a higher throttling one

also maybe look at replacing the pads under your vrm heatsink with thermal paste. it might help reduce vrm throttling. and orienting your case fans to blow at the vrm area should help significantly too

>>106231228
>CPU OC
usecase?

Is there any reason not to overclock?

>>106231372
yeah, when there's no reason to

>>106231372
Well what processor exactly?
The raptor lake i5s are the only still relevant processors that actually have anything substantial to gain (with a realistic daily driver oc)
I mean I'm sure the equivalent on lga1851 does too but who gives a shit...

>>106231444
>Intel dies via being slammed into rocks for the insurance money by a Chinese spy

>>106231372
it will kill your entire computer in a few days and you'll only get a 1% performance boost

>>106231372
only if your silicon is used in situations that needs absolute stability like in a vehicle or heavy machinery setting
anywhere else it makes sense to overclock/undervolt where ever is possible

>>106231515
>random crashes are based

>>106231526
skill issue

>>106231529
>wasting 5 days running OCCT is based
>still crashes randomly

>>106231444
No one believed in Pat. You don't drift the titanic out of hitting like the iceberg like it's Initial fucking D.

How much does the silicon lottery actually affect the performance of one chip over another nowadays?

>>106231545
like I said, skill issue

>>106231548
probably +/- 5% clockspeeds just like always
it affects temps & power at X clockspeed way more than absolute performance though

>>106231548
Well under 10%, possibly 5%. It's why a pre-binning company like Silicon Lottery shut down years ago.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cpu-specialist-silicon-lottery-to-close-shop-on-october-31st

alright bros, would it be worth to buy the nawk tuah d-15 g2 if i’m planning to upgrade to a 9800x3d? i do want to use it if i upgrade to am6 if possible and i’m looking to replace my old shitty 212 evo black/rgayb from 2021

>>106231585
>alright bros, would it be worth to buy the nawk tuah d-15 g2 if i’m planning to upgrade to a 9800x3d? i do want to use it if i upgrade to am6 if possible and i’m looking to replace my old shitty 212 evo black/rgayb from 2021
No, the G2 is overpriced and unwarranted for a single CCD CPU (grab an ID Cooling A720 or one of the gazillion Thermalright Peerless Assassin or Phantom Spirit model flavors available instead). If you were thinking about Noctua's extended support for AM6 current street news is AMD once again will be preserving cooler compatibility with AM5 so there's no need to pay a huge premium for a big hunk of metal with 2/3 brown fans on it at this point (and I say this as someone with a NH-D14).
https://videocardz.com/newz/amds-next-gen-am6-socket-to-feature-over-2100-pins-may-support-am5-coolers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bv7Tn4zqRc

>>106231366
Vidya, encoding, and xmr mining in the winter.

>>106231344
I dunno what my heaviest game is. Is there a heaviest benchmark that could work?

I'm going to change the top front fan to intake and see if it'll improve the air flow over the vrm heatsink.

And I'll see if I'm able to get at the top vrm heatsink without detaching the cpu cooler or the motherboard. Otherwise, it feels like too much work.

>>106231689
If you aren't sure then R23/R24 is a good bar to settle for. Its on the conservative side meaning its heavier than most games but if you never throttle in R23, you'll never have to worry about throttling in any game.
Also, per-core turbos are annoying to work with as they can inflate the voltage needed for stability on your all-core turbo since clock switching under load creates a slight bit of instability so I suggest sticking to a fixed all-core turbo for 1T through nT

>buys 9070 xt for basically 800
>card prices start dropping
oh well, i'll upgrade in 10 years.

>>106231716
I got 7900XT for $800, April 2023. I think I'm going to skip UDNA too.

when am I concerned

>>106231579
>Well under 10%, possibly 5%.
more like 3% to 1.5% compared to early 2000s.
modern nodes push everything out from silicon design within thermal/power limits right away
also why OC is dead, when we go sub 2nm it will get even better

>>106225846
yes, it's been a thing for a while here in LA. still not sure what determines who picks the items up.

I like cpu intensive games more so I will buy a really good cpu

>>106231743
Cooler?
Power limit?
What were you doing?
Could be perfectly normal depending on what you were doing with what.

>>106231771
so every unreal engine game

>>106231835
More like modded minecraft

>>106231689
>xmr mining in the winter.
Aim for efficiency rather than raw power. Ignore 3% more performance for 50% more power use modern OC memes. Just undervolt as much as you can while stable and set a power limit where it runs quite enough at full load for your ears.
Enjoy your CPU. (Also as a side note, it might make sense to share what it is next time you post about it.)

>>106231716
literally same model at the same store?
i guess gamble that failed, could have gone the other way too
i sitll believe thats a superb price today

>>106231585
As always just buy thermalright

>>106231585
MX-4 has been serving me reliably for years.

>>106231716
>buy 9070xt microcenter open box with store warranty
>kill the card in 22 months and get all the money back
>do it again next time

Sirs I have the cheat code to gpus

>>106231844
Based

>>106231748
chips aren't close to being that perfect lol
there are 9700Ks that do 4.8ghz all the way up to golden samples that can run 5.4ghz. That's a >10% spread between worst and best samples

same with 9800x3ds. some have cores that need as low as 1.100v for 5.225ghz while the worst ones need 1.280v which translates to about 300mhz of difference at the same voltage

Anyone got some tierlist/benchmarks for different models of 9070xt, 5070ti and 5080?

Any recommendations for an 850watt modular psu? Ideally won't burn my house down or destroy my build

>>106231947
5070ti

>>106231947
5080

>>106231025
if you need multicore get a ryzen 9

Would combining one of those giant Noctuah passive coolers with a ton of fans result in equivalent or better temps than an AIO? Shouldn't a ton of heat pipes be able to brute force heat transfer over a water cycle?

>>106232130
water is able to bruteforce cooling due to its much higher specific heat capacity compared to copper heatpipes
in a head to head comparison, air cooling can only win if you gimp the aio in some ways

>>106231970
>>106231996
>>106232006
Thanks

>>106232130
Maybe if you use 10k RPM Delta fans for the air setup. On a 1:1 comparison, not so much. It's more effective to allocate cooling close to the heat source.

>>106232172
That's not quite it. Water's higher capacity has benefits in the "pre-soak" period but doesn't matter once both units are saturated*. At that point the AIO's main advantage is just higher dissipation area.

*This takes way longer on watercooling which is a big advantage in daily, mixed load, use.

While we're on the topic of gpus across vendors, what are we looking at in performance? I'm thinking about selling my 5070ti vanguard to my neighbor and grab a 5090. Am I good grabbing a ventus if I'm putting a block on it, or is there a noticeable difference besides the cooler?

>>106231704
I'm actual power / thermal limited on my chink laptop engineering sample cpu at stock max boost clocks for all-cores (advertised as 53x max single, 47x max all-core) so I left 1-4 active cores to 53x max (with only my two starred cores set to 53x). I'm not able to get them to 54x even if I reduce the undervolt.

I did raise my e-core from 38x to 40x all cores early on. Maybe that's contributing to my thermal and power issue for all-cores? I'll have to try downclocking them and see if I can get 48x to work without throttling.

If the laptop cpus barely runs at "max" stock boost frequency on my desktop with a big cooler and 250w, they must throttle like a bitch on actual laptops. Or maybe engineering samples just have shitty bins.

>>106231853
Yep. I prioritized undervolt and dialed that in first (I think it's at -0.230? I did make sure the scores didn't drop too.) But I found that I couldn't raise all-cores boost much without minor power/thermal throttling in cinebench.

I swapped some arctic p12s onto my cpu cooler to replace the thermalright ones it came with and they're fairly quiet even at 100%. They might not move as much air but the stock thermalright ones have a very very annoying sound profile.

It's an i7-13850hx (es) that costs $130.

I need to start keeping a spreadsheet of settings vs stress test / benchmark results.

>>106232223
The nicer models usually have better VRMs. Maybe other OC features like dual BIOS. Ofc a Ventus with a full block will still probably run cooler than eg. a Gaming X on air so it's not a done deal either way.

>>106232225
Is that not a mobile CPU? How did you get it and how are you OCing it?

>>106232223
since you're water cooling, you can either get the cheapest card with the crappiest cooler like the ventus or you can get the astral with per-pin current monitoring
sadly, it seems that no manufacturer has released a power unlimited XOC bios this time around so there's little incentive to buy expensive cards like the suprim/aorus master/astral

>>106232269
>>106232303
Got it, thanks guys. I'll probably just look for whichever card offers dual bios for the cheapest then.

>>106230841
you also forget am5 boards having worse audio codecs, cut off audio jacks (two or three instead of six), less sata, sometimes not even any other PCIe slot that doesn't cut offs GPU slot speed, and in general garbage quality and prices
I remember that top tier flagship MBs like Rampage II Extreme used to cost what the lower middle tier MBs today cost, and the flagships literally cost 4x compared to older flagships, and it feels like they have less features than those old mobos for such larger prices

>>106231829
Just playing Skyri with a multi-thread using physics mod.
Noctua HSF.
No modifications to power.

>>106232326
fwiw dual bios really doesn't matter at all unless you intend to bios mod your gpu for overclocking

>>106232225
>they must throttle like a bitch on actual laptops
They do. Raptorlake 8+16 silicon is just that leaky and inefficient making it feel more like a 32/40nm processor than a 10nm one in usage.

>>106232384
Shit nigga, I might. I've been looking at this delidding tool add to cart button for a few days now. I'm considering a whole lot of stuff.

>>106232425
>>106232425
>>106232425

>>106232223
some people say that the highest tier models tend to have better silicon that the lower tiers, not sure how true is that and how big is the difference
and there are also things like better VRMs and dual bios, like other anon said

>>106226702
i went for noctua but cheaper
>thermalright heheeh
idk anon they are literally the apple of case cooling in my opinion

>>106226786
Shut the fuck up cunt