How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• Tempotec Variations V1 - $130
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106201409

SoftEars RSV MK2
Be Prepared For Revolution

I love you baker, good job on all of the breads!

Remember to EQ your techs.

>>106219667
It is really hard to tell without knowing your preference. Tea Pro was pretty universally liked since the day it was first shown.
Airpods are tuned rather close to neutral compared to them tea pro will have much more bass and maybe a bit more forward vocal presentation.
If you can you probably should try more IEMs before committing.
other IEMs to try:
softears volume S
kiwi ears ke4
kiwi ears astral
crinear daybreak
epz p50
epz k9
xenns top pro
ziigaat odyssey
hisenior mega5est
dunu davinci
moondrop x crinacle dusk DSP

>>106219809
>CRA
for such a cheap DD, the bass lands right in my fun zone.

op is a faggot

>>106220033
why

>>106220081
u know why

>>106220084
i dont

>>106220092
this is why

>>106220094
ok riddler, now tell me whats wrong

>>106220102
piss off annoying faggot

>>106220106
im just asking why op is a faggot, why are you acting like a faggot?

>>106220113
your behavior is exactly why

>>106220120
i asked you why, you decide to turn this into a detective case, are you ok?

>>106220124
>>106220106

why aren't we EQ'ing to Genelec or Yamaha monitors for true fidelity?

>>106220189
>yamaha
>true fidelity

chink-fi is just gacha for audiofool retards that don't exactly know how the pos they ordered will sound in their ears and how each and every pos they bought will never ever satisfy their needs now back to ordering more worthless e-waste you dumb gweilo

>>106220189
you need to hear them to EQ

>>106220288
true
but there's not much choice outside of EQing 1DD by ear

>>106220304
>EQing 1DD by ear
if you are poor, for sure

>>106220330
what are you proposing exactly?

>>106220432
Only poor can hear.

>>106220189
https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/Impulcifer
You need in-ear mics. And Genelecs. And without head tracking the result is not great anyway.

Any shit you can imagine has been tried guys lol
tuning pos and headpos to DF is still the best way for them to sound good

>EQ to DF
>sounds terrible
Welp, back to the drawing board.

>>106220189
pre obseleted

>>106220658
endgame is to match tuning to your HRTF
also I doubt that it will sound "terrible" lol

>>106220768
If 3kHz is above 30Hz I'm not listening.

>>106220782
that's just your fucked up ears
also just EQ more bass

>>106220330
If you hate comfort and sound quality you can EQ multidriver pos by ear. But you can't escape EQ.

Good morning sirs I like Fiio FH3 and it is the best IEM and I want IEM like it please kindly do the needful and recomend similar pos to my Fiio FH3 with high resulation to achieve vimoksha kindly revert back sirs

>>106220782
what's your daily driver?

>>106220658
You have to eq to df only below 3 kHz, then above that you have to eq by ear

Guys, this was just a meme. Don't destroy your hearing.

>>106221744
updated

Did Tanch seriously release next 2DD just now? These fags took years in-between Oxygen and Origin and just this year they are vomiting new pos every few weeks.

Should I order my next IEMs with a balanced (4.4) or a regular (3.5) cable? I have balanced ports on my DAC and Tempotec DAP. But will it get super loud then? I like that I listen to about 80% of max volume and not 10%, it gives me a lot of legroom to maneuver. But maybe the balanced output will sound better?

>>106219927
He should also try:
> ISN Neo 5
> ISN H60
> ISN EST80
> Penon Serial
> Penon Fan 3

>>106221275
Stop pretending to be me, Rajesh.

>>106222297
>But maybe the balanced output will sound better
it will not

Class 3 listeners are getting uppity, post targets for men.

>>106222658
godsub

>>106222658

EQ to raw DF + fix treble peaks by ear for acoustic enlightement

>>106223118
raw DF always loses preference tests so EQing to it is fucking dumb

>>106222936
>not just reducing bass but also boosting 10kHz

>>106223140
I bet Sean Olive used some old boomer music that severely lacks bass for the listening tests (did Harman publish any info on the material used?). Raw DF works well with modern, well produced music (no loudness war slop).

>>106223140
it's not a preference target, though. nobody serious would test it as such because reference targets are more of a starting point for eq.

>>106223184
research shows that music choice doesn't matter that much

>>106223184
Bassy music still needs a bassy target. DF is shit for everything.

>>106223203
Doesn't make any sense, if I take song.wav and let people set the gain of a lowshelf at 105 Hz until it sounds right to them, and then I apply a -6 dB lowshelf at 105 dB on this file, I again ask people to set the filter, you expect the results to be the same?

>casually solved audio 30 years ago
>turns out to be 5128 DF with some bass
Get smoked kid

>>106223255
the bass boost is there to compensate for the sound quality of the music from 30 years ago and the lack of sub-bass b/c these are headpos. Doesn't apply to 2025 iems, but thanks for showing that 5128 DF is the endgame target.

>>106223255
don't know what you're smoking but non-existent sub means no fun. so fuck all that noise

>>106223199
are you retarded? they always test it

>>106223481
not as a preference target.

>>106223241
it doesn't matter if it makes sense it is what it is
your example is too extreme not comparable to music

>>106223310
Hello please check out EQ
Although with my unit I hear rumble very clearly until 30Hz in tone gen so I don't even bother with EQ at all, most of the oomph and fun is midbass around 50-70Hz

What is the benefit of buying an expensive IEM if it uses the same drivers as a cheaper one?

For example, in this example we have the Fiio FH3 from 5 years ago and the newer Ziigaat Arcadia. The Fiio costs $100 and the Ziigaat costs $200. Both uses a 10mm DD driver for the bass and then 2x Knowles BA drivers for the mids and the highs (same model numbers as well). Tuning is similar. What makes the Ziigaat cost twice as much? Sorry I'm a noob.

>>106223538
greed
daybreak is 1dd+2ba+2microplanars and it's only $160
p50 is the same and is $190

>>106223538
You are paying for labor, design, finish, qc, hype, tuning.
Components are a minor price factor unless we talk original Sonion EST drivers, these can cost like 100$+
ER4P Etymotic cost 350$, but use single Knowles ED-29689 BA driver which is like 8$ retail, but they were made in US and every unit was measured, matched, checked and signed by hand.

>>106223573
>daybreak is 1dd+2ba+2microplanars and it's only $160
Have you tried it? Is it good? Sounds like a decent value propostion.

>>106223601
>ER4P Etymotic cost 350$, but use single Knowles ED-29689 BA driver which is like 8$ retail, but they were made in US and every unit was measured, matched, checked and signed by hand.
Sounds like a scam.

>You are paying for labor, design, finish, qc, hype
I don't want to pay for any of that.

>You are paying for tuning
Can't I just use EQ to achieve the same thing? If they are using the exact same drivers I should be able to get them to sound more or less identical right?

>>106223644
you have it all figured it out. buy some $20 single dd iem and eq it, it's all you need

>paying for tuning in 2025
what a lack of morals

we like tws and are tired of pretending we dont

>>106223644
>Sounds like a scam.
chifi multidriver pos component cost is not much different, some markups are way more outrageous like simphonio stuff
>Can't I just use EQ to achieve the same thing
well yes but not completely
identical drivers sound different in different shells different filters etc.
Also if you ever try EQing one pos to another especially 1DD vs multidrivers by taking graphs from the internet (711 or 5128, doesn't matter) they will be similar but still not the same

>>106223498
you are right, I take back what I said

>>106223736
Only fox tws.

>h*****s l*w

>>106223870
worst post itt

>>106223878
Not so fast.

precovid: eq is not necessary
postcovid: eq is good

??

>>106223745
>chifi multidriver pos component cost is not much different, some markups are way more outrageous like simphonio stuff
True, but at least you're getting more "stuff" for your money. Also stuff like EST drivers can be quite costly.

>>106223745
>Also if you ever try EQing one pos to another especially 1DD vs multidrivers by taking graphs from the internet (711 or 5128, doesn't matter) they will be similar but still not the same
Absolutely. But if it's the same drivers, like in the FH3 vs Arcadia example, it should be possible to EQ them to sound very similar, no? Of course you can't make a single DD sound like 2x Planars + 2x ESTs

>>106223722
I'm sure the quality of the DD is important as well. They're probably not all the same. Also you can only tune it to sound similar to other single DD IEMs.

>>106223959
>Of course you can't make a single DD sound like 2x Planars + 2x ESTs
true. eq can't copy driver behavior.

>>106223929
People had plenty of time to learn EQ.

>>106223981
You need something more than EQ to emulate compression and distortion of meme drivers, maybe poking some holes through the diaphragm.

>inb4 a huge flame war about d****r q*****y

>>106224009
So DDs are the best? Do you think 2x DDs beat a single DD? Or a single large DD is the best?

>>106223644
>Have you tried it? Is it good? Sounds like a decent value propostion.
no but there are countless reviews out there + 10+ measurements
it is very good value tho

>>106223959
>it should be possible to EQ them to sound very similar
it depends
acoustic impendence could be different because of fit and it will change FR in an unpredictable manner

EQ necessity follows the IQ bell curve meme
100 IQ chuds believe it is mandatory, retards believe it is bad and enlightened ones don't bother

>>106224316
EQing is for poorfags who need to emulate sound signatures instead of just changing headphones

What should I buy after Waner SG2 lads

if pos are supposed to sound like speakers in a room then why don't pos have paper cones instead of chinesium alloys?

>>106224395
ea500lm

>>106224395

>>106224414
because driver material doesn't matter

>>106224395
ISN H20

>>106224316
Low IQs boost bass in their car audio. High IQs perform digital room correction in their home theaters. Midwits just consoom.

>>106224581
High IQs just consoom because they're too busy with other stuff to do room measurements

>>106224567
the coils, diaphragm and dampening material, shell material do matter

>>106224597
All high end audio comes with everything you need to measure and EQ. Because to the people buying it it's not even a question whether you should or shouldn't EQ. It's a part of the setup.

>>106224603
not really

>>106224603
iem drivers are cheap as fuck to make and even the cheapest one have very good specifications so no
it doesn't really matter

>>106224666
yet plenty of $350 sets sound like or punch above their price point and cheaper ones can't get that from tuning alone.

>>106224831
you are retarded

>>106219747 (OP)
Any recommendations for an in ear with a decent mic for chatting over vidya? Ideally less than $50 but my top end is like $100

>>106225014
Mic comes on the cable, it is separate from the IEM. Most of the cheap IEMs out there can be purchased with a mic included. It's usually $2-3 extra. Check Amazon.

>>106224666
yeah but the cheapest ones sound really bad like for example epz
actually wait other cheap ones like gate sound good so maybe its just epz that is shit
wow mind blowing

The new Tempotec V1 looks decent, has a moderately smooth UI (given all the limitations), a pretty comprehensive feature set including direct streaming from Tidal/Qobuz, and has half decent output power from balanced out as well.

It's such a shame that the actual sound quality is so... meh. I thought of using it as a transport with the Muse M5 Ultra, but the USB output is noticeably less resolving than my phone (Pixel 9 Pro). There is likely some bit truncation going on that's completely fuzzying up the sound.
As such, this one goes in the drawer, likely to never see the light of day again. #sigh

>>106224581
High net worth individuals plug a phone via usb-c to jack in their car and use parametric EQ thanks to poweramp

>>106225078
The balanced port on mine doesn't work. No sound. I contacted support and at first they responded and then they just went quiet on me. Guess I got chinked.

Also there is no PEQ, even though it says on their website that it has it.

>>106225075
>yeah but the cheapest ones sound really bad like for example epz
epz doesn't sound bad
it's tuned to real endgame - 5128 DF

>>106225078
What lens and camera did you use btw? Nice bokeh

>>106225217
You're replying to the residential sperg. All he does is cry about epz.

>>106224581
>Low IQs boost bass in their car audio
You sound like some evangelist western european little bitch who drives according to speed limits.

>>106225217
>tilted

>>106225315
it fits even better raw actually

Now what?

>>106225328
which ones have the best techs?

>>106225328
what's top left?

>>106225328
Overall(specific)
Top (res,separation)>SA6(width)>Origin (vical detail, separation) > Tansio (bass quality)
For flatpos, arguably, Asura blasting on higher volume. Dogshit tonality though.

>>106225328
Now count your mistakes.

>>106225285
You sound like you have no father.

>>106225458
I got everything on sales and everything has different tuning. If I were to limit myself I would keep top row, snoys and Iris.

yu9audio

I need earbuds. Budget is under a hundo. What do?

>>106225872
¿Que?

>>106225967
Faaeal Iris 2.0 are bretty good. Very smooth with no disruptive treble peaks or sibilance.

I'm going to sound like I'm shilling, but I'm pleasantly surprised by the quality of wireless $15 Skullcandy earbuds. Back in the day, wired $10 earbuds were total garbage and now these wireless ones for $15 aren't bad at all.

>>106225078
>It's such a shame that the actual sound quality is so... meh.
It passes most of the tests perfectly, but jitter is really fucked up for a modern device, also phase is not linear and there are some group delay issues.
Probably clock settings are really fucked up.
>>106225872
Their copy of ER4XR is quite impressive

>>106226220
>Wireless
It might be taking advantage of DSP to better tune it. Not entirely sure, but just a guess. What stands out to you, sound-wise?

I want to buy like 5 different $300 IEMs and cycle them. Anyone ever had that feeling?

>>106226811
>Anyone ever had that feeling?
head-fi and r/iems

>>106226811
not worth it, get like 2 different $400 ones

>>106226811
For me it's buying four of the same $20 iems, and constantly changing the eq preset that I use with them.

>>106226811
1. Don't blind spend
2. Go to a place where you can actually try out different pos (e-earphone or similar shops, canjam, other events)
3. Realize it is not worth it 99% of the cases

>>106226811
5 custom p50's sounds great.

>>106226811
You could narrow it down to 3: bassy, technical and vocal forward. So like Martillo/Punch,Top Pro, whatever is now go to vocal iem. you should get like 500 spare.

>>106227589
>Top Pro
>Technical
Man it's just piercing treble pike at the end of FR after 10kHz lowres valley

>>106226811
You should aim to have a collection of pos that don't sound different, but rather accomplish different functions.
Sometimes you need a beater, sometimes you need something that doesn't isolate too much, sometimes you need the opposite, sometimes you want to handle and feel something well built, etc

>>106227709
you never heard one.

Guidezo. IR.

hexa bros ITT share your eq profile
this is the what I've ended up with after a year of ownership. my ears are schizophrenic btw so you probably won't like it

Preamp: -4 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 80 Hz Gain 4.6 dB Q 0.1
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 190 Hz Gain -4.5 dB Q 0.6
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1500 Hz Gain -1.8 dB Q 0.5
Filter 4: ON HSC Fc 4500 Hz Gain 4.4 dB Q 1
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 14200 Hz Gain -10.5 dB Q 1.5
Filter 6: ON HSC Fc 17000 Hz Gain -4 dB Q 0.5

the secret to eqing techs is

>>106227863
Based treble hater.
I don't use the Hexa much so my preset isn't exactly where I like it but here it is:
Preamp: -8 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 20 Hz Gain 3 dB Q 1
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 50 Hz Gain 1 dB Q 0.5
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 180 Hz Gain -1 dB Q 1
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 2600 Hz Gain 2 dB Q 1
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 3050 Hz Gain -4 dB Q 2
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 4000 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 2
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 5700 Hz Gain -4 dB Q 4
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 7500 Hz Gain 4 dB Q 1.8
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 11100 Hz Gain -7 dB Q 6
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 14600 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 9

>>106227863
Sell Hexa and buy a good IEM.

>>106229014
like what? epz? lmfaooooo

>>106229034
If you're going to EQ... What's the difference? At least OI will never be a problem.

>>106229141
no thank you, im not a gay pedo furfag

>>106229180
Just sell Hexa and buy some 1DD. It's just embarrassing to have inverted polarity in 2025. Scientists from Stanford have already proved it's audible.

>>106229226
scientists? you mean indian scammers?

>>106224437
what happens if you sit on it while you are listening to some chunes

https://headphones.com/blogs/reviews/moondrop-space-travel-2

#TransRights

Looking for a replacement for my Tempotec V1. Want great sound and either built in PEQ or Android OS so I can use Poweramp EQ. Not too big in size and under $200. Hiby R4 seems great but it's too big. Fiio JM21 seems good but their DAC chip isn't as nice as the Hiby R4s and apparently EQ apps don't work. Hiby M300 is another option, or maybe a Shanling?

Does anyone have any opinions on the Earfun Air Pro 4 vs the Moondrop Space Travel 2?
I got the Earfuns a week ago on sale but just found out the space travel 2's came out. There's still time to return the earfuns if they're similar in sound quality since the moondrops are half the price.

>>106229267
They have a baby and small dongles are born

>>106229291
Honestly this sound profile makes a lot of sense for someone who has such a boner for HD650s

What's the hot shit for lossy audio formats these days? Haven't got an sdcard big enough for my flacs yet and it's low on the priority.

So it turns out all the people saying these lack bass were using the wrong tips and getting a "partial" seal which lets the Bass and Techs escape.

Once you get them to seal correctly they're pretty much end game level techs and they have a very balanced FR but it sounds almost "digital" like a balanced armature IEM. The cable sucks ass though, I might just use the one off the Gate and leave that one cable-less.

>>106230036
still opus, make sure album covers are not embedded
160kbps if you're paranoid and schizo, 128 if you're normal

>>106230063
ugly shell gives inferior techs

fuck those toys. this is the way to live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqOQeDh00Ok

>>106230080
Sort of true, I think the bulky shape is the reason why it is difficult to seal properly.

I don't think I've had any IEM that was this tip-sensitive since the KZ ATE. Where the Gate in particular fits the ear much better but changing the tips doesn't really change the sound.

>>106230124
>>106220665

>>106230063
>end game level techs
>almost sounds digital like a BA.

I still enjoy my zeros from time to time but you have no idea what you're talking about

Not sure of this is the right place but are Raycons any good? I've determined not to buy them out of spite because I hate their ads but just wondering if I'm actually missing out on anything.

>>106224437
Just picked up R2R, this and the tube amp should bring out the full potential of my Waner, VX Pro+ LF3 Pro, Krila and ZEX (non-Pro)

And the results are in.
/hpg/ has managed to last:
1 thread.

>>106229700
>but their DAC chip isn't as nice as the Hiby R4
No you have that backwards. R4 uses older chips, with no good reason to use 4x. 2x CS43198 that JM21 uses, when implemented correctly, has excellent metrics. imo M300 and JM21 are the top Android picks and Android allows using other player apps, streaming apps, etc. Shanling M1 Plus at the same budget uses different OS, lacks customization, is a more simple audio device (with volume wheel instead of buttons).
M300: longest battery life. JM21: most power. M1 Plus: non-Android

>>106229790
well you can just order the ST2 and decide then, no? don't mind too much bro, twshit usually die at some point. enjoy your earfun, when you need a new pair, Space Travel 4 will be out

>>106231944
i think we should stop the blind faith in cs431xx chips. measures very nicely with steady state signals but seems to struggle with dynamic signals

>>106230421
there are lots of cheap wireless that work and sound good. raycon are overpriced no matter the "sale"/discount and ridiculous v-shape

>>106231974
>stop the blind faith
well yeah blind faith is always dumb. implementation matters. there is always more beyond the chips used. usb bridge controller, oscillators, managing jitter, amps, etc.
idk jm21 measurements so i can only assume fiio didn't fuck it up

>>106232009
it's an unfortunate problem, fiio seems to have responded quickly with firmware updates with dre switch enabled now

>>106230425
>cheapest R2R
>cheapest tube amp
ngmi
>>106229700
NW-A306 is the smallest (110g) proper android 14 DAP on the market, JP version is high-gain unlocked and costs approx 200-230$ on japanese amazon

Tangzu Wan'er 2 broke in under two month, and they weren't comfortable to wear anyway. Moondrop Chu 2 felt nice and secure. Would anyone be able to recommend a good budget option that's likely to fit well?

>>106232306
q1 pro has the best fit.

Help me out please
>Budget
20 - 50$ range

>Intended use
Movies and gaming

>Frequency response preference and music examples
Clarity, I've some hearing issues and I prefer to be able to hear the nuances like human talking and whispers

>Past gears
Don't have any desu, whatever is on the flea market I just grab them.
Thanks you.

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

>>106232461
epz g10

>>106232461
Also to add I want something that doesn't require an amp to drive them.

>>106232475
Thank you I'll add your suggestion into the list.

>>106232306
>likely to fit well
no? how the fuck should we know?
>Tangzu Wan'er 2 broke in under two month
broke how exactly

>>106232493
Dont, the epz shills are paid per post

How bad is the Innioasis Y1? I understand that the sound quality is probably nothing exceptional, but I’d like to get a general idea of the level — at least so it’s not worse than an iPhone. Rockbox has been released for it; has anyone had experience with it, and does it improve the sound and volume?
And what budget headphones could be used with it to improve the sound situation? I want to try the Rockbox experience + something similar to an iPod.

>>106232554
I mentioned one popular pair that didn't fit me well and another that did. People with the same experience could give their advice, or just recommend generally comfortable models like the other anon did.
>broke how exactly
One earpiece became very quiet so I returned them on warranty.

why are the chinese so good at making affordable goods, bros?
this was never the case a decade ago, longer ago the world was making fun of them and now look at how far they're ahead of the curve
no wonder trump is trying is hardest to undermine that country

>>106232601
not a shill, I really like my g10s

>>106227709
>10kHz lowres valley
is this really a thing? I recently discovered that the dip at 10 kHz on the Gates makes it sound "low resolution" (it's a shit word to describe it, but it's the best I can come up with), the sound is so much better with this dip eq'd.

>>106232601
if one thing that is going on for q1pro/g10 it's fucking bright as fuck treble and very comfy fit... just what dude was asking for...

>>106232655
>One earpiece became very quiet so I returned them on warranty.
1DDs do not break. Your nozzle probably clogged with earwax or cause of moisture
>generally comfortable models
no such thing

>>106232735
I don't hear 10k dips so it's up to individual
I dunno why most IEMs have them tho

>>106232049
let me guess you need more

imagine caring about THD when you listen to music with an assburgers amount of filters applied by the aspie "recording engineer" who likes harmonic distortion

>>106233093
My music already has the maximum amount of distortion, any more makes it worse.
https://darkdescent.bandcamp.com/track/future-shock

>>106233218
more like you need hardware distortion to make that distortion listenable

>>106233225
No, it makes it worse. Headphones can't handle it at all.

>>106229034
daybreak

>>106233328
so much better

>>106233335
your mistake is looking at measurements without coffee tips

>>106229034
Literally anything is better than pos that has BA playing subbass.

>>106233093
obvious bait. you don't even know what an audio mix is.

>>106234468
neither do you

>>106234474
absolutely I do. what I don’t know is what disorder makes someone pick fights with half the thread just to feel alive.

>>106231944
Cool, thanks for info.

Is there a good non-android based DAP that has PEQ btw? Because I'd rather avoid Android (takes too long to turn on).

>>106234929
I found an answer to my own question: Hiby R1! Looks like a better version of the Tempotec V1

>>106234884
prove it

>>106235021
already did. not my fault you choose to ignore it.
you end up baiting yourself into humiliation, everytime.

>>106234468
aspie recording engineer detected, go apply 3 more filters

>>106235317
post your mixes retard
clearly you know nothing

Sad fucking thread ruined by 2 or 3 pagpags

>>106235366
>>106235406
samefagging as usual. you always end with, "I accept your concession" as if wearing someone out, talking circles actually made you 'win'. you don't know how to even have a conversation like a normal person and the threads get shit up by (You).
enjoy your fucking miserable existence and psychopathy, hopefully canonized here as a warning to others.

>>106235406
your mixes have more harmonic distortion than an r2r dac can ever add

>>106222658
ayo nigga this bass be slappin

>>106235670
this.

>>106235605
you are retarded schizo
nobody in this thread is impressed with your nonsense
just fyi

>>106235802
you live in a world of bullshit if all you're good for is baiting people to get into flame wars with you.
just fyi you don't add anything of value. go ahead, start a fight with the other dude

>>106235822
saying retarded shit like "b-b-but d-d-don't forget ab-b-bout mix q-q-quality" doesn't add anything either
especially from a nerd who doesn't know fuck about mixing

we like tws and are tired of pretending we dont

>>106235880
your only redeeming quality is saying, "you don't know shit about fuck" once. was the sweetest thing I ever heard.
really though, you're a psychopath. there's something wrong with you.

>>106235936
i like my redmi buds play 6, very solid for 10eur new.

>>106235944
and I am right every time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylXk1LBvIqU&list=PLrhkpF1bKMG_D2sxTpxG63WGmIxYGB-Jt&index=1&ab_channel=MilesDavisVEVO

>mastered with minimal compression
>reveals imaging better than modern tracks

>>106235944
I have my theories about the malding schizorat:

-a japanese antisocial recluse who used to post here
-a povetypag tired of being poor
-foxtroons battling shortage of HRT

the guy malding all day has to be some wheelchair bound deformed nigga with no hoes LMAO

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

>>106232554
>>Tangzu Wan'er 2 broke in under two month
>broke how exactly
It fell down some stairs

>>106236180
he's definitely antisocial, narcissistic, paranoid, chronic insecurity, low self-esteem. (I figure it comes from trauma)

imagine caring about total accuracy when dipshits like >>106235406 are in between the recording and the file

how do mixerfags cope with listeners who own multiple 'phones, speakers, etc. and choose the pair they think sounds best with a given song, potentially bypassing all the treble ear rape filters that aspies try to stack on

>>106236317
wow you are mad lmao

>>106236417
keeping the mix clean means managing every sound occupying it and giving things their space..you do it by panning left and right, fading volume up or down and sculpting its space in eq. audio isn't mixed with the expectation it will be eq'd by the listener. that's an afterthought.

>>106235936
Only fox tws.

>>106232645
There's a lot of good info about it's functionality on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DigitalAudioPlayer/comments/1abvzgt/a_review_of_the_innioasis_y1/
Also a teardown of the hardware
https://fccid.io/2A6DB-Y1/Internal-Photos/Internal-Photos-6262700

>>106229034
epz's pretty good

Buy Moondrop!

>>106236520
every retard can "keep the mix clean" you useless fucking idiot
>audio isn't mixed with the expectation it will be eq'd by the listener
retard

>>106236520
>audio isn't mixed with the expectation it will be eq'd by the listener
It is mixed wit the expectation it will be used on different gear, which is the same as eq.

>parents get me pajeetpod pros for birthday
>freaking love them. Great features, seamless for being TWS
>seriously think they sound freaking good. Good soundstage, good separation, etc.
>switch back to this autistic pagpag garbage and have a listen the next day. Also amazing sound
>go back to airpods to compare
>Can immediately pick up the uneven treble and lack of dynamics.
Screw you guys why do you ruin nice things. I just want to be a normie and enjoy music. airpod pros are really good in a vacuum and still good enough on their own but why tf did I have to have my ears assaulted by completely flat downtilt diffuse field treble it’s always gonna be in the back of my mind.

>>106237046
not everything is about min maxing quality
sometimes you just want convenience

>>106236986
>every retard can "keep the mix clean"
tell me how you do that
>used on different gear= same as eq.
you really are a simpleton.

>>106237115
do I need a special retard approved library of properly mixed music? shut the fuck up

>>106237046
>damn this steak is good

>>106237150
no. never implied that. a basic grasp of audio and some common sense helps. you really are insecure

>>106236520
I didn't say eq'd by the listener, I said choosing a pair of headphones that could potentially alleviate your treble ear rape filters. this isn't EQ, it's gear

>>106237046
Don't airpods have EQ? Not sure if it's rudimentary like Snoy's, but it should help alot. Personally, as long as whatever device I wear is comfy and has relaxed treble like Faaeal's earbuds, then there's not much to complain about.

>>106237256
helps how

xDuoo x2s with Rockbox or Sansa Clip+ with Rockbox?

>>106237319
>>106237263
helps to know how the audio was put together to understand what your gear is and isn't doing. you'll never separate instruments from voices with eq if they were already mushed in the mix, invading the same frequencies.
you keep splitting hairs and moving goalposts all to dodge the point. shit, even a $4K TOTL won't fix a shitty mix. even with eq after the fact.

>>106237443
You don't know what your gear is and isn't doing so that's clearly not very helpful.

>>106237502
you managed to ask a pretty good question earlier, which I answered. and now you're back at square one. still waiting on you to prove me wrong about an audio's mix being what dictates technicalities. you've dismissed audio production as a whole at every opportunity. now tell me, if there is an fr that 'brings out all the techs and gives audio its stereo imaging and layering of instruments..', where is it? your entire thinking is flawed.

>>106237591
Techs don't exist, you think they exist because you don't know what your gear is doing. You didn't even know IEMs change their FR depending on who's wearing them. To entertain your mix idea. You're saying "a $4K TOTL won't fix a shitty mix". But a cheap IEM apparently CAN ruin a mix. So are IEMs mixing or not in your cloud cuckoo land? If they aren't mixing but still ruin a mix which part of the IEM does it, when we have discussed in detail that all driver properties are reflected in the FR and are fixable with EQ?

>>106237660
>a cheap IEM apparently CAN ruin a mix. So are IEMs mixing or not.
pos are not doing the mixing. you can use pos to discern mixes from another and test what a mix sounds like with a pos' flavor, but you're not listening to something accurate to the mix if you ever add eq or the pos is tuned to fun, preference targets, etc. accurate to the mix, or colored to your taste, pick one.

>>106237807
>if something sounds good then it's not accurate
The final form of audiopedophile.

>>106237848
>buy pos with atrocious tuning
>only listen to sparse "high quality" music because your pos "reveals all flaws of the recording"
Many such cases.

>>106237968
>jazz trio the lowest
Literally fucking >>106236174

>>106232645
>Rockbox has been released for it
you got my interest

>>106238013
Fyi it's an "unofficial port." Not sure how particularly unstable it possibly is.

>>106237443
literally none of that matters
you can easily hear "what your gear is doing" on any track you are familiar with (chances are it's properly mixed by professionals) if you are a trained listener
>you'll never separate instruments from voices with eq
such a pointless and unnecessary statement it is very fucking funny
>$4K TOTL won't fix a shitty mix
you are so stupid. who gives a fuck? mix is FREE totl is $4k
do you not get it???

>>106238059
>such a pointless and unnecessary statement it is very fucking funny.
you just demolished yourself. if you can't argue, you don't win by laughing the whole thing away. that's cope.
>mix is FREE totl is $4k
the mix changes wildly depending on gear.

>pos are not doing the mixing
>the mix changes wildly depending on gear.
...

>listener uses eq.
not mixing
>listener uses speakers or pos sounding different from another.
not mixing

>the mix changes wildly depending on not mixing

>>106238283
you're confused.
you were doin great engaging for a moment. they weren't bad questions at all, to be frank. keep doing that.

>>106238283
>>106238299
the audio mix is set in stone. your gear shapes it further.

>>106238299
>you're confused.
No shit. You just said two different sounding pos are not mixing but change the mix wildly.

>>106238316
Oh, so it's not changing the mix, it's just shaping it.

>>106237071
>>106237316
The airpod pros sound good enough for sure. Kinda hard to pinpoint a change because their general tonality is actually quite nice.
That deep insertion is just ridiculous an absolute game changer. Still gonna use my pros 90% of the time they’re much comfier

>>106238332
right. they're replaying the same mix, differently. especially if the pos are a preference tuning.

>>106238389
>differently
What are they changing.

>>106238375
what's placed in the mix is already there. all localization cues, placement of vocals and instruments. already there before it hits your pos. your pos has the ability, or not, to accurately reproduce the spatial cues and instrument/vocal placements that were intended in the mix.
this is why you hear some pos are wider than others. because it is taking an already wide mix and replaying it better than another pos.
sheesh.

>>106238418
>changing
accurately, or inaccurately reproducing what the mix entails.

>>106238434
>>106238452
>this is why you hear some pos are wider than others
Which part of pos changes the width.

>>106238463
>inb4 'driver types, quality of the drivers and implementation of them doesn't matter'

>>106238434
You are gonna hurt yourself if you continue *actually* trying to reason with this vermin

>>106237591
>where is it
depends on individual, dumbass
research shows that imaging/soundstage improves when FR is close to your HRTF

Does it even make sense to talk about soundstage when listening to a conventional recording instead of a binaural one through headphones/inears? Don't they all sound "inside the head" of the listener?

>>106238559
Nah, when you own many you realize this

>>106238530
Considering we've EQd two different pos to have the exact same time domain characteristics he's trying really hard not to say the D word. I expect a really creative answer.

>>106238185
>you just demolished yourself
you are delusional. you are fighting some retarded anti EQ war or something? newsflash
nobody gives a fuck. nobody argued that you can mxi already mixed audio with EQ lol

Soundstage exists

Your gender does not

Your fox does not

Your jollibee's does not

>>106237987
this is too fucking funny

>>106238576
And we can always pull up the pre-move checkmate incident if he tries it again.

>>106238185
>the mix changes wildly depending on gear.
AND???

>>106238553
he's finally genuinely inquiring for once, somewhat. gotta strike while the iron's hot.

>>106238316
all shaping is changing but not all changing is shaping

>>106238603
The fox is real.

>>106238571
Another question: Many people listen to music mainly through headphones, why aren't there a lot more binaural live recordings. Isn't it as simple as putting a mannequin with microphones on the stage, in addition to the usual microphones, so you would end up with two recordings, one for speakers and one for headphones?

>>106238628
Well? Which part is it?

>>106238637
Im not really gonna bother with an actual anwser, pagpag

>>106238434
>all localization cues
>spatial cues
there are no actual spatial or localization cues in the mix
and even if some kind of binaural mic or head simulator was used if its HRTF is too different from yours your brain will not recognize those cues
so it's the opposite... your gear should NOT reproduce as close to the mix it should reproduce as close as possible to your own HRTF

>>106238633
never beating the pedo allegations

>>106238559
technically no but in reality brain gets tricked anyway
none of it is a real soundstage anyway

>>106238637
because binaural live recordings do fuck all

/iemg/ Physiognomy Check

Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your weekly sanity dose:

>Airpods/Cheapshit TWS/Stock buds
Too common to really make a good prediction, ranges from the average beta normalfag to alpha chads with chiseled jawlines.
>KZ, cheap Moondrop, years old FOTM pos, Cringicle collabs, Crinear
Balding and likely a redditor, moderately ugly, recessed chin. Unibrow, acne. Probably feminist and a simp for onlyfans whores. Least threatening "male". Often Indian.
>Truthear, Tanchjim, Softears, other less popular chinkshit and etymotic + smaller influencer collabs
Seriously ugly freaks, might have one standout feature like bug eyes or asymmetrical nose, negative canthal tilt is a given. High pitched or feminine voice, repulsive to almost all women.
>Customs/Expensive Western brands
Frail faggot hipster, somehow has rapey vibes yet is overpowered by the average woman. Male feminist. Think DMS archetype.
>Moondrop/Tanchjim/EPZ/CVJ with art on the side
These are the ugliest incels imaginable, the truest of trucels. Strange vocal tics, unnatural gait, and unbelievably ugly. They look deformed and monstrous to any normal person and have fucked up fetishes normies couldn't even imagine. Either freakishly thin or morbidly obese.
>BlueKAKA, Artti R6, SGOR, extremely cheap shitty offbrand chink pos
Small and short, built like goblins with a face to match. Very often fat, brown and the definition of untermensch. Horrific stench emanates up to 5 meters.
>Expensive SEAnigger pos
Fat ricecels with tiny beady eyes and poor vision. They often look inbred and their accents make women flee. One can assume they eat a lot and Asian eating habits are disgusting already, but their pig like countenance amplifies the effect.

>>106238603
>Gender does not
HOLY BASED. TOTAL GENDER ROLE DEATH

>>106238796
didn't read

Newsflash to armchair audio engineers: you can change the volume of individual instruments with EQ. We literally have charts for this. And gamers have footstep boost presets for individual games and headphones. How does it feel to be dumber than a gamer? When all instruments have similar volume - inherently or after pos changed it to be the same - that's bad soundstage. When different instruments have different volume - inherently or after pos changed it to be the different - that's good soundstage. That is the extent of what pos can do. Mark Ryan put it best.

>>106238834
who the fuck is mark ryan your gay boyfriend?

>>106238856
He is my wife actually.

>>106238865
lol fag

>>106238721
>no actual spatial or localization cues in the mix.
you still don't understand. there are plenty. panning, reverb, delay, eq, all create a stereo image.
how is there any stereo imaging if no localization cues exist?
you simply don't understand

gptzo is just aura farming at this point
too many Ws to count

>>106238834
you use reverb (especially different pre-delays) and panning to position an instrument in a mix

>>106238912
>>106238927
Which part of pos changes panning, reverb and delay?

>>106238941
the part replaying it.

>>106238834
You keep thinking soundstage is merely a product of eq and I keep telling you ywnbaw

>>106238945
I measured every part of an IEM and didn't find any reverb and delay. It is actually insanely hard to do reverb and delay in hardware. Panning can change with channel imbalance I guess.

>>106238959
he's closer today to the truth than he's ever been.

>>106238969
I mean, Imagine putting that shit into an IEM. And for delay you'd have to put an entire recorder in there.

>>106236466
don't care; still listening to your aspergers V-slop with r2r and tubes

>>106238912
>you still don't understand. there are plenty. panning, reverb, delay, eq, all create a stereo image.
and it's all useless. like what do you think you just add delay and shit magically works?
>how is there any stereo imaging if no localization cues exist
do you have your own fucking head on your shoulders or a dummy one from 5128? how many times should I repeat "individual HRTF" before you understand?

>>106238941
panning is just a difference in volume in the two channels, so if you perceive a mono signal as having a different volume on the left and right channels (which can be due to channel inbalance of the pos or seal or maybe even a weird hrtf idk), then the stereo image will be fucked (at least its not what the mixer intended). Reverb is obviously influenced by fr, a bright reverb sounds different on a bright vs. a warm pos.

>>106238997
Forgot pic.

>>106239011
So techs are just channel imbalance. Foxbros, we're so back.

Every dumb fucking retard who tries to talk about "mix" without posting examples should unironically kill himself

>>106239045
you're perpetually mad and you really don't have to be lol

>>106239084
I am literally never mad

>>106238998
you are schizoing out

>>106238976
One day you'll tell me which part of pos changes the mix in a way that EQ can't and I'll know the full truth.

...pos are minimum phase so they reproduce the signal aka MIX perfectly

>>106239200
>>106239200
>>106239200

>>106239119
they change how the mix is heard.

>>106239250
Do they inject LSD into you or something?