Thread 106231965

>https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/a-guy-in-california-is-suing-microsoft-for-discontinuing-windows-10-demanding-free-extended-support/

>"Klein's complaint, filed in San Diego, states, "Microsoft’s stratagem was to use its dominant position in the OS market to achieve a dominant position in the market for generative AI. It did this by forcing customers to purchase new devices (or face financial repercussions if they did not) and running Windows 11, thereby ensuring a large user base that would access this product by default."

will this gain any traction or is it too little too late?

>>106231965 (OP)
based

>>106231965 (OP)
>will this gain any traction or is it too little too late?
Your average normie doesn't care so no
We all know tiktok is literally chink spyware and your average normie is happy to use it

>>106231965 (OP)
I hope they use the fact that Microsoft claimed Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows in their marketing.

Faggot behaviour.
If he truly cared, he'd have filed the lawsuit when they started to force UWP into the system.
As it is, the man is merely a baby duck.

>>106232378
Nobody ever said that.

>>106232494
Yes they did, they even did ad campaigns about it here in Germany. They scrubbed it all.

I would've gone with Linux instead of windows 10 a decade earlier if microsoft hadn't lied through their teeth.

>>106232639
Schizobabble. There was never any marketing campaign or official statement that Windows 10 was the final version of Windows. It was said by Jerry Nixon at Build 2015 and Microsoft never confirmed or denied it.

>>106232672
>schizobabble
>says Jerry Nixon (Microsoft nigger) said such a thing
>still schizobabble
"That word you're using... I don't think you know what it means"
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows

>>106232672
Yes there was outside the US you liar.
>It was said by Jerry Nixon at Build 2015 and Microsoft never confirmed or denied it.
They didn't deny it either, meaning they enjoyed the monetary gain from not denying a falsum.

Utterly detestable.

>>106231965 (OP)
He doesn't have the money to win

God I hate ducklings. 10 was trash. Why would you fight Microsoft for this piece of shit

>>106232745
t. Zoomer

>>106231965 (OP)
It won't gain any traction, not unless Florida Man sues Microsoft as well.

>>106232745
The last good Windows was 7, but that ship has sailed. I really, truly, viscerally despise Windows 11.

>>106233085
It was the only good Windows, everything before or after was considerably worse.

>>106233058
zased

the primary reasons would be to stick it to microshit and to prevent many boxen from an early demise in the eWaste dumpster. the industry is going to do whatever faangman says, so when the little guy wins in court against the megalithic corpo, it's good for the middle class

>>106231965 (OP)
he should start a gofundme. I would donate.

>>106232978
Fairly positive I've been using windows for longer than you

>>106233085
It doesn't matter.
10 is many times worse than 7. 11 is perhaps 10% worse than 10.

>>106232745
Because 11 is even worse and going older or switching to alternatives is not really viable for most people. And I say this as a freetard
>>106233085
VxKex makes it very usable, the biggest problems I have encountered so far is directx 12 requirements and shit like https://frippery.org/busybox/release-notes/FRP-5181.html which is not really a big deal. And of course the lack of support for newer hardware but you should be using liGNUx for that anyway.

>>106232363
>We all know tiktok is literally chink spyware
It's not, retard.

>>106233177
Having used Windows since 98SE, the reaction over 11 is unwarranted considering how much worse was 10 when it got released. No one seems to remember anymore that Microsoft tried to forcefully push it into every single fucking PC out there without arbitrary requirements getting in the way. And it definitely was much less usable 3 whole years after release than W11 is. People were made much more aware of M$ spying thanks to 10. It introduced mandatory updates, for 2 years by default it would install them without consent at random, you had cortana, you had absolutely sluggish W10 VMs compared to 8.1's, the entire system would change every year or half a year and break shit, I legitimately do not understand the amount of shit W11 gets when it's essentially the same thing with a little bit of shit sprinkled all over the corners to match the rest. Not coupled with the praise 10 gets now, that's for sure.

>>106232744
your justice system is fucked

>>106232745
Because people don't want to be forced to buy new hardware just because they want to continue to work?
Stupid zoomer idiot

>>106233256
No one's forcing you to use Windows. If you're forced to use it for work, they should provide you that hardware that's necessary. It's been years since these requirements were imposed, which means your hardware is reasonably old enough to replace anyways whether you use Windows or not.

>>106233271
Some people are self employed and still depend on software that's not available for Linux, you know.
Also why should people throw out perfectly working hardware just because some jeet company demands it?

>>106231965 (OP)
>Klein
so we have a chance of winning Windows 10 bros?

Based. California has some great people

>>106233085
>Windows 7
>good
it was already riddled with telemetry and other spying

>>106233306
And those people made their choice a long time ago by relying on a corporation that's been screwing their customers for probably longer than you've been alive. Specially at around the time 10 was around. The difference between now and then is that now you have an arbitrary lock, whereas then they would just increase requirements and you would regret updating because now your hard drive and CPU are constantly getting raped and RAM consumption is higher for the same tasks. The one time Microsoft decided to optimize their shit was funnily enough with Windows 8, considering they were trying to push tablets with anemic hardware that could just barely make it function. But even beloved XP would run like dog fucking shit on a "perfectly working Pentium III 500" when it was released.

>>106233378
Attorneys in my country for instance depend on software that's only available for windows. They have decades of court cases in the databases, they can not simply switch.
Besides that still doesn't justify forcefully removing old hardware that's otherwise perfectly fine. Form both an economic and ecologic point of view.

>>106233252
Young anon, you still have a lot to learn

>>106232744
Unironically, if money were no issue, what are his chances?

Loonixtroons could crowdfund him.
A rival AI company might sponsor him.

>>106233399
>They can not simply switch
Then enroll into ESU.
>but that's not free
Alright, but why should it be?

>>106233493
What

>>106233399
>they can not simply switch.
No, not *simply*.

You create a task-force that basically builds a modern system that initially runs in parallel to the old system (without the user having to adapt just yet), basically mirroring it's actions when viewed from the outside, and once this works, you have the new back-end working, and then you switch the front-end.

This takes time, consideration and planning, but if *you* don't decide to start to think about these things, it's always *Microsoft* forcing you to adapt.

>>106231965 (OP)
Microsoft has said that 10 will be the last version of their OS. They lied, and even though I never used it, people have the right to demand justice.

>>106233505
Microsoft offers extended support for 10.
If they really need that support that their job relies on it, they can just pay the yearly fee and not have to update to 11. That's an option. What that San Diego man is asking for is for them to keep providing those updates for free, that is all it boils down to.

>>106233583
Why pay twice?
And why is the biggest software company on the planet still not able to implement a rolling release after 40 years?

>>106231965 (OP)
>California Man
No such thing.
It's all subhuman trannies.
We know this.

>>106232672
>>106232708
>>106232709
Incorrect - Microsoft denied it instantly when The Verge "reached out" to them for comment.
Of course, you don't have that in your bookmarks bar, for the same reason niggers don't have "per capita" or "how to change smoke alarm battery" in theirs.

>>106233582
See >>106233658, stupid nig.

>>106233658
the veracity of microsoft statements: real shit

>>106233610
>why is the biggest software company on the planet still not able to implement a rolling release after 40 years?
Windows is already unstable as it is, they even tried the biyearly update nonsense with 10 and all it did was cause grief and misery.
From their standpoint updates are a service. They'll even tell you that Windows by itself is a service, not a product. You'll pay more than once for something that you request extra support on than what it has been planned.

>>106233674
So the jeets at Microsoft are incapable and deserve to get sued.
Got it
/Thread

>>106233698
I mean, sue away. I'm not defending their practices, I'm just thinking they covered their bases and people just didn't fucking bother to read or listen. All people have is an interview from when 10 was released that no one in their right mind would believe.

>>106231965 (OP)
>Klein
Oy vey.

>>106233252
It is like that everywhere, even in your own country.

>>106233485
Very low regardless. There is a small chance he would win, he needs to leverage on the fact that M$ said that Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows so it is implied that it would be supported forever.

Who is harmed by switching to or adding W11 since piracy is free?

Stick W11 in a VM if it's for work software and run any OS as a host including W10.

I don't "switch" Windows or other OS versions, I just add them anywhere I feel like. VM are nice because if you have issues you can revert to a clean snapshot or one loaded with soft you know works.

Of course the ESU updates will leak along with checksums so ya can pirate those, too.

>>106233733
>>Klein
>Oy vey.
Pavlovian response.

>>106231965 (OP)
I really don't get it
Hardware that doesn't support 11 is like 6-7 years old.
As someone who is in the first world. I have zero attachment to hardware that old for general computing.
Even if I was, there are options even for Windows like LTSC

>>106233959
Except for muh games, what reason do you have to upgrade?

>>106233271
>system completely built around Windows
>look, just upgrade your hardware or take a chance with Linux

>>106233959
>I have zero attachment to hardware that old for general computing.
I don't have attachment to this hardware. It just works so I have no reason to replace it.
It's not even prohibitively slow for what it is being used for. It boots up in half a minute. Word processing doesn't need faster CPU or more cores. I don't need more performance for connecting it to a projector.

>>106234028
>system completely built around Windows
Any system that dated fully works on linux.
I get it's a matter of using certain software suites and that's what would stop you from using that.

>>106233997
>>106234028
More to my point.
If you have older hardware, you have options. you can enroll in ESU (there are free options) or use LTSC
Is learned helplessness and entitlement just that strong nowadays where it's easier to sue then look for options?

>>106234083
>you can enroll in ESU (there are free options)
Just make an account and feed them more of your data.
> or use LTSC
Requires essentially a fresh install. Can't just switch version to it.

>>106231965 (OP)
Based, but the goverment won't allow him to win. The juistice system is not here to hand out juistice.

>>106234154
>Requires essentially a fresh install
I guess that's an extremely high bar of skill nowadays

>>106233177
Battlefield 4 works fine on GNU/Linux thoughbeit.

>>106234083
>nooo there's a workaround to my workaround of a workaround
lmao this is why windows will always be a toy OS for autism bucks with infinite time on their hand

Any software that gets discontinued should have its full source code released.

>>106233670
Mylene Farmer on 4chan... 8|

>>106234154
>Just make an account and feed them more of your data.
You gave that right away when you started using Windows 10 in the first place.

>>106231965 (OP)
will get denied due to lack of standing - the man doesn't even own a copy of windows, just a license agreement and the agreement was terminated as per its terms which he agreed to

>>106234412
So it all boils down to retardation? It takes you too long to just do a fresh install and backup your data? maybe macOS is more your speed?

>>106234154
>retard can’t back their shit up and fresh install
Anon if you can’t handle basic shit like this I’m afraid you just can’t be helped, but when you’re ready to actually improve your life instead of whining, check out the massgrave activation scripts site, they have ltsc installation media there

>>106234552
No, it's just at that point, you might as well switch to Linux, where they'll *usually* force you to jump through hoops, because they are technically necessary, not to herd their cattle into doing certain actions.

>>106232494
Litteral tv ads stated such things upon windows 10s release you fucking mook.

>>106234663
They're only technically necessary because developers aren't putting the effort for that not to be the case. The endless attempts at simplifying desktop linux demonstrate that the intent to make the user not jump through that many hoops is there, it's just they're just not that competent at reaching the end goal.

>>106233271
You are so detached from the real world its not even funny. I run a business, my business uses windows 10. Its largely run on 10 yearold lenovo enterprise units. Why the fuck should i upgrade to something with tpm just so i can continue using something? Throw out all my laptops and get new glued together garbage? My margins are slim as it is.
Youre a fucking idiot if you think im going to use mint with libre office in a professional presentation setting to customers. Im going to use office 365 like everybody else. And now i wont be able to because winjews decided i cant upgrade what i have. I cant continue using something that works exactly as i need it to.
Get fucked you pajeet shill.

Brendan Fraiser is suing them?

(yanks won't get this)

>>106234694
you're literally wrong.
the difference is Linux has choice where Windows does not. that will always cause some level of friction when it comes to a "just works" desktop.

>>106231965 (OP)
(((Klein)))

>>106234716
Nobody gives a fuck about your margins you poor bastard. I'd assume they're the result of your lack of intelligence and poor decision making skills.
Microsoft didn't promise you that 10 years later they'd just give everything away to you. They've been putting newer OS releases much longer than that and they've been screwing people with for far, far too long. You should know this, you should have known this and you should have worked on a solution way ahead of time if this was such a big issue for you.

>>106234716
>uses winshit
>seethes when he has no agency
obviously enterprise linux setups have opportunity costs, but honestly, what did you expect? the deal can change at any time when you have zero control.

personally if I ran a business, I'd be erring more towards zero trust setups based on web applications first and make wagies steward their own devices.

>>106233177
one of those more apparent copes from desktop Linux users
if it worked properly, people wouldn't complain.

anarcho communism doesn't work

>>106234987
so basically, nothing works properly? we all know this is true.

>>106231965 (OP)
on what basis?
>i'm retarded. i still use windows
is that really enough for a court case in the US?

>>106234987
>if it worked properly, people wouldn't complain.

>>106233230
Well you are right, there's absolutely no reason to be nostalgic about an OS that is almost as shit as 11. However I believe this is somewhat mitigated at least by ltsc users on this board who tinkertrannied their computers with dubious scripts they found from github and stackoverflow like >>106226608 so they do not experience the bad parts as often.
>>106234987
No, people complain whenever they have to learn something new. Look at all the retards on this board crying about circles in gimp for example. As if they are forced to use gimp for some reason. You're a baby duck who has imprinted on a particular type of software and nothing would do unless it is the exact same thing

>>106235075
>who tinkertrannied their computers with dubious scripts they found from github
That "script" was literally a shit post to disable a hotkey

>>106235123
It's the only way to actually do it. You have to kill explorer and register the keys before you restart it. What fucking kind of shit tier design is this? Even with alsa you had the option to use the built in mixer so the hardware can be shared. Windows fails at being an OS

>>106235075
windows has problem > i've been using it since i was 5 so i know how to fix it > happy
linux has problem > i don't know how to fix it > linux is garbage

getting into linux is actually harder if you're a windows power user, because you're more likely to mistakenly think you know how to use it already, you have expectations. you're going to try to do something one way, and struggle with it instead of finding out you're supposed to be doing it another way because you've always done it a certain way in windows. keep an open mind and avoid making assumptions and you'll have a much better time. this goes for switching to any unfamiliar OS

>>106231965 (OP)
>YOU MUST SUPPORT ME FOREVER
>why
>BECAUSE AI!!!!
lmao

also
>forcing customers to purchase new devices
This was never a thing. TPM was never a hard requirement despite what they claimed. Nor was the CPU requirements. Not that it matters because just like every other version of windows they've upped the CPU, disk, memory requirements. Literal nothingburger.
>or face financial repercussions if they did not
??? LOL, nobody had to pay a dime to stay on Windows 10 or upgrade to 11 without TPM

Where was Klein when Microshaft forced people to upgrade to 7 to get VHD support?
Where was Klein when Microshaft forced people to upgrade to 7 to get basic disk encryption with bitlocker?
Where was Klein when Microshaft forced people to upgrade to 7 to get DX11? Microshaft has the dominant position in Graphics APIs. Where was the complaints?
Where was Klein when Microshaft forced people to upgrade to 10 to get Cortana, Virtual Desktops, and more?

>>106232709
>They didn't deny it either so it must be true
That's not how the world works, faggot.

>>106233230
I have a feeling a lot of normies sided with Windows 10 at release (remember that FREE UPGRADE to Windows 10 only for a limited time, that nagged you in your sys-tray on 7?) and us "nerds" calling Windows 10 out was also calling out those normies for being idiots.

Since then, we've moved on, and now the normies get to freely complain about it, without the nerds having the "told you so" attitude about it.

Idk, in the end, the normie shot himself more in the foot (again), due to vanity (again).
Wahtever.

>>106233178
this has been proven on multiple occasions. You're not fooling anyone, Chang.

>>106232494
an executive said it, news ran with it, they changed their mind after the fact.
https://www.networkworld.com/article/938964/microsoft-clarifies-its-windows-confusion-sort-of.html

>>106235442
>>106232494
>>106232639
>>106234669
ONE GUY said it, he was taken out of context, BBC and other media went all in
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32658340

>>106235304
>I have a feeling a lot of normies sided with Windows 10 at release
I don't know about that man. At that point in time I knew a lot of people complaining about the update that weren't tech savvy at all. I remember many headaches.

>>106235243
>getting into linux is actually harder if you're a windows power user, because you're more likely to mistakenly think you know how to use it already, you have expectations. you're going to try to do something one way, and struggle with it instead of finding out you're supposed to be doing it another way because you've always done it a certain way in windows.
This but also because of all the fragmentation and the fact distros switch tech stacks every few years means that it will be harder for them to just learn one way. Of course the same happens in windows land to a much lesser level (it's the same os since nt/vista + cancer patches after all) but whenever microsoft does anything of the sort it can force pretty much everyone to update and that becomes the new official method which you have no choice but to learn. It feels less like just an arbitrary developer choice and more like that's just how the world works from their perspective.

>>106232494
Safe and effective!
It doesn't stop the spread, just lessens the symptoms!
My mask won't work if you don't wear one!
It doesn't grant immunity!
Herd immunity isn't real!
Horse paste!

>>106235478
>At the 2015 Ignite conference, Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon stated that Windows 10 would be the "last version of Windows".[19][20] The operating system was considered to be a service, with new builds and updates to be released over time.[21] PC World argued that the widely reported comment was however taken out of context, noting that the official event transcript marks it only as a segue rather than a core part of the talk. It argues that Nixon was referring to the fact that he could talk freely at the event because 10 was the last version in current development.[22]
It's not out of context, they even gave them a way out but that's not the excuse they are using. it's obvious they tricked people, even their own. probably regretted it after they no longer could hype people with new numbers

>>106235660
i've run openbox+tint2 with the same theme since before windows 8 came out. for the most part how you use linux changes when you want it to. there are pressures to switch to new components every so often, but the same can be said about windows.
>It feels less like just an arbitrary developer choice and more like that's just how the world works from their perspective.
yep, when i first tried linux one of the first realisations i had with relation to this is all the things i thought were just "things computers did" were actually just things windows did.

>>106235660
>>106235835
oh and to be clear, i don't intend to make fun of anyone. the examples i've made are also from my own experience. not made up

You all see what happened here? This guy deflected focus onto a different platform and tried to instill a racial divide between us (microsoft users) and them. The real racial divide is this: he's a shit eating jeet microsoft shill and tiktok has less censorship and more user freedom than any other digital social platform out there.

>>106231965 (OP)
>>106232363
>>106233178
>>106235329

>>106231965 (OP)
>I'll waste a fuck ton of money on a trial that could have been better spent on a Windows 10 LTSC key.

>>106235787
>probably regretted it after they no longer could hype people with new numbers
Or they realized what it actually meant
Microsoft probably has no issue supporting windows for eternity, but hardware vendors ultimately have a say.
Both OEMs and silicon vendors have to service their hardware to make sure it works with the latest windows

Windows 10 in particular was equivalent to several windows releases and since every machine that came with Windows 7 onwards is compatible with 10, it means with every major release there has to be some type of validation for every model of machine/CPU going back to 2009. Hardware vendors just couldn't stop supporting at a particular Windows 10 version because as far as the consumer and Microsoft is concerned it's the same major version and must be supported if you support win10

Windows 11 had to come just to drop hardware support.

>>106231965 (OP)
>nooo you can't make me update my shitware!!! I sue u!!! >:(
Pathetic behavior. Trying to get windows users to update is like trying to get freetards to take a bath. They will go months if not years without updating and then cry and blame Microsoft when they get pwned with a virus. Microsoft understands their users are cattle and need to have updates forced on them otherwise they'll never do it. Why are you like this winturds? Just update your shitware.

Yes I agree, companies have to be forced by small government to support arbitrary products for as long as I want, for free. This is what they mean by freedom.

don't like it? make your own os

>>106235442
Jerry Nixon said it, the entire journalist sphere took it as gospel and lied to the entire world with hyperbolic articles about it and this somehow managed to Mandella-effect the entire populace into believing it was "an official Microsoft-wide company statement.
Never did they say that.
Never did they "run ads" about it (>>106234669, >>106232639).
The official EOL (2025) dates have been posted on their support site since the day that Windows 10 launched, for anyone who cared enough to check.

>windows 10
>1.5-2.5gb of ram bloat
>windows 11
>4-6gb of ram bloat

How is it THIS bad?

>>106236537
>windows 7
>0.8-1.5gb of ram bloat

>>106235716
you lost tranny

>>106232494
You can't 1984 your way out of this, jeet.

>>106233485
Zero.
People sue microsoft for ending support of their computers every decade. They're more than ready for this.

>>106233485
none, and it's also pointless, because his key arguments and desired resolutions are already available. windows 11 can be installed on unsupported hardware with little effort, and some editions of windows 10 have support until 2032, by which time hardly anyone will be using windows 10

>>106233485
>>106237134
-- also, why would linux users care about this? genuinely curious why you'd write that

>>106236336
Unironically, yes.
Companies have to be responsible for what they release to the public. If me microsoft didn't put arbitrary restrictions to update to windows 11 then it wouldn't be an issue. But since they hold to their bs so firmly, they should be responsible for keeping both windows 10 and windows 11 supported. Microsoft (or whatever other software company) can't have the power to make your hardware useless whenever they feel like.
If you oppose to this matter and defend the companies then you're literally no better than govt licking bugmen.

>>106237163
nobody is forcing you to use windows

>>106237163
windows 10 won't just stop working after october you know, they aren't disabling your computer or anything

>>106233733
>Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows so it is implied that it would be supported forever.
How does being the last version of something imply that it has to be supported forever?

>>106237668
Because they still sell it? You have to provide support, customer service and warranty for products you sell to consumers, 1 year minimum in the US, 2 years minimum in Europe.

>>106237785
>Because they still sell it?
no they don't

>>106232672
>There was never any marketing campaign or official statement that Windows 10 was the final version of Windows. It was said by Jerry Nixon at Build 2015 and Microsoft never confirmed or denied it.

You would not call an announcement by a Microsoft Employee in a talk that had presentation material with the official Microsoft branding and that was held at a Microsoft-organized conference dedicated exclusively to developments in Microsoft products and services, an official company statement?

>>106233085
Good is a strong word. Windows 7 is not good, its just above the threshold of unusable.

>>106233085
the last good windows was 98

>>106238343
>implying there was ever a good windows
Reminder it only became popular due to Bill Gates being the cousin of the WTO's director.

>>106238045
unfortunately they put a little spell on a single slide before starting those presentations
this spell renders them immune to any consequences of lying during the remainder of the presentation in any country ruled by jews
surely you have seen these

>>106232494
Shut up you fucking double niggerkike faggot

>>106238343
windows 2000 came out after 98

>schizo files a court case
It'll get laughed out of the court.

>>106233256
>because people don't w-AACK!
What the fuck do you think happened countless times in the past? New windows versions, including your beloved 10 (formerly considered the cia spyware edition before 11 came out and it became old therefore "good"), 7, and XP, have always had hardware requirements. 11 having a "requirement" (/g/ - technology should know how to bypass it, else leave this board) for TPM and newer generations of cpu rather than JUST clock speed, core count, disk space, and RAM speed/quantity makes not an iota of difference.

>>106233997
The idiocy of the so-called technology board continues to astound. You don't recall 4 months ago when lazy refusal to update software led to the site going down, the moderation team being doxed, and pdf support being disabled permanently? We aren't talking about motor vehicles here, we're talking about hardware and software that actually benefit from regular upgrades.

>>106231965 (OP)
>it's just another muh AI lawsuit

Anyone who believed windows 10 was the last Windows OS have to be some of the most naive, dumbest, retarded inbred motherfuckers on this planet. Do you even understand how software works? Tech debt? Even Linux Kernel has gotten rid of shit over the years, and even support for older CPU architectures.

Like how fucking dumb are you people lmao, do you really think things just stay constant for decades on end and never change?

>>106232342
>based

What if microsoft settles out of court and tries to bury the story in order to hide the fact that they make people pay for updates every three years?

>>106237876
But they said they do in the past. That was the point.

>>106233177
>Win 10
>"YOU WILL INSTALL, GOYIM"
>Win 11
>"YOU WILL NEVER INSTALL, GOYIM"
I like how they keep the goy on his toes

>>106239825
that article that went around saying "windows 10 will be the last version" was taken wildly out of context by normies and media. microsoft meant windows 10 is the last nt kernel version and they're right since 11 is the same version.

>>106233959
>there are options even for Windows like LTSC
Microsoft doesn't really sell those to individuals, so wouldn't hold up in court

>>106232363
denounce the talmud

I'm on W10 and am not keen on W11. I will be purchasing a second 2tb NVME to install Linux on, and use that primarily. However, it appears that I must maintain Windows on a separate drive because there appears to be no Linux version of Guitar Pro 8. What distro should I use that is most like W10 in terms of look and feel? I only have experience with Raspian from a RPi programming class in school years ago.

>>106241387
so then just use 10 until 2032 you dumb nigger

>>106240877
not a lawyer or legal expert, but since there was a case filed with the court, lawyers representing microsoft will be obligated to show up in some way. they will likely file motions to dismiss or whatever, but there will be legal proceedings in court at this point. probably happens over video conference.

>>106241387
Windows 10 IoT LTSC, genuinely just that. You clearly have software not available on Linux and pro audio editing support is still dogshit if that's something you do.
Cross your fingers that Linux is in a better state by 2032 because Windows ain't getting any better.

>>106231965 (OP)
WHO THE HELL IS THIS HERO?? Put him in the sticky.

>>106233178
Holy fucking kek. Imagine being this ignorant and retarded. Gen z and younger is truly doomed. Use an american spyware app at least. Better to be spied on by our glowies than theirs

>>106231965 (OP)
ESU resulted in some terrible program/license breaking "fixes" during the final year of W7 updates, because of that I don't trust Microsoft, maybe the enterprise iot licenses guarantee they won't let it go to total crap immediately, but you'd be foolishness to think they would have a sawtooth grin after being told by a judge that they have to provide more-I assume the guy behind this lawsuit is not tech savvy, there comes a point where you as a non-business user don't want Microsoft breaking old shit to push new thing.

>>106236336
>forced by small government
I want a large, heavily regulated government that maintains strict leashes on the excess of business

>>106241336
i denounce the talmud
and moreover I insist that Christianity predates Rabbinical Judaism and is therefore the oldest and most traditional surviving monotheistic religion yet in existence

>>106232745
Nobody likes Windows 10, it's just that 11 is even worse.

I prefer Windows 11 to Windows 10.

>>106231965 (OP)
>a litigious kike co-opts gentile sympathies in a bid pretending to benefit them, while ultimately only enriching himself
Situation normal.

>>106231965 (OP)
Nothing ever happens bros. What are we thinking here?

Settles out of court to make him sybau. Next question.

>>106242612
Nope, you're doing a talmudry. "Rabbinical judaism" is the direct ideological successor of the Pharisees, which predated Christ and whom he spoke out against extensively.

Christianity is a heretical sect of judaism and it's funny. So is Islam for that matter.

I also denounce the Talmud, if that matters to you.

>>106231965 (OP)
should it win? Yes. Will it win? IDK, find out the allegiance of the judge.

>>106242704
not sure you read the situation correctly, anon. who knows tho maybe, maybe not

>>106242758
tsk tsk you're going to hell rabbi

>>106242637
>Nobody likes Windows 10

I run a completely locked-down version of it just fine.

>>106231965 (OP)
Why save windows at all? That ship has already sailed. It's time to switch and never look back.

>>106243009
I'll switch once Linux has a single good desktop environment.

>>106236537
don't question the bloat goy

>>106243047
Ok, enjoy your spyware then retard

>>106231965 (OP)
>stop killing operating systems

>>106243081
>didn't deny it
lmao
anyways I'm not a pedophile so I'm not too worried

>>106243047
why single when we have multiple already? choice paralysis?

>>106243115
they're all terrible

>>106243132
if you can't make any of them work for you that says more about you than them

>>106231965 (OP)
good luck

>>106243096
honestly that would have solved a lot of duplicated effort over the years. if you stop supporting an operating system you must release the source code. if only...

>>106243132
how so? as opposed to the bloat you currently use?

>>106242890
I like Christianity fine, Islam to a lesser degree, and jews have to go (yes, every one). Unfortunately though, "The God of Abraham" is the origin of all of them and you're just coping.

>>106242888
They'll reach some settlement, he'll get a hefty sum over and above his attorneys fees (someone at his schul that's already kicking some back to him), and he'll start some anti-ewaste nonprofit with it that pays him a $5m annual salary.

Watch. I've studied these people for more than a decade.

>>106233230
^Facts.

>>106238512
tfw I was blown away by my friend not having any crashes using it for a week

>>106243836
i appreciate your consideration and study, but i don't think we're on that timeline anymore.

>>106243923
What makes you say that? I don't think we've entered the Hitler II timeline yet.

>>106243913
unthinkable to a win9x user

>>106243949
right to repair movement, VCF, and others been gaining momentum on the topic for a while now.

>>106235263
That anon hasn't denied being a faggot so it must be true

>sorry your 7th gen Kaby Lake released in 2016 and probably bought in 2018 some time is out of date for reasons despite having plenty of performance and even a working TPM, and works flawlessly if the checks are bypassed, better throw it in the ewaste bin and buy a whole new PC goyim.

do they want PCs to become smartphones where you have to upgrade every 3 years because muh security updates FUD?

>>106244199
i used XP for like, 6 years and i literally never once used windows update on it. i only installed the service packs, and one or two manual update packages if a program asked for it

>>106242917
People tolerate Windows 10, but they're not exactly enamoured by it like they were XP and 7.

>>106244199
Of course they would love that. Microsoft is heading that way, too. OS will update on a regular schedule, or so they supposedly announced.

>>106243009
>linux loli
moar

>>106233117
>prevent many boxen from an early demise in the eWaste dumpster.
This would be a far better angle to pursue.

>>106244301
it's certainly part of the angle. it's also about reigning in microsoft's monopoly.

>>106244269
You shouldn't say "people" when you're only referring to yourself.

>>106244686
this reminds me of when i worked in a local computer shop. iirc, like the bread and butter of the business was virus removal. got me thinking about all of the viruses and antivirus companies running like a cartel. i know it's possible there are independent groups and individuals who write malware, yet the whole time it felt like it was a concerted operation of the antivirus companies creating the problem so they could sell the solution. the shop refused to warranty the virus removal unless the customer purchased a copy of kaspersky. else, they'd be on the hook for the entire cost if the malware returned. shady af.

>>106231965 (OP)
A lone hero choses to stand against the behemoth

>>106242637
>Nobody likes Windows 10
Oh boy
You know how often I find people who act like 2015-2019 didn't happen at all? How many times I've seen them act like 8.1 is worse (when it's far more stable and closer to 7)?
They even changed the windows cycle to accommodate it. Jokingly before people said 10 broke the cycle and "we got 2 bad releases in a row because windows 9 doesn't exist" but now every list is like "XP good, Vista bad, 7 good, 8 bad, 10 good, 11 bad". There's been a lot of revisionism.

>>106244686
half the time these anti-malware programs WERE the malware.

>>106231965 (OP)
>(or face financial repercussions if they did not)
>repercussions
what are they?

>>106244887
+
>Microsoft’s stratagem was to use its dominant position in the OS market to achieve a dominant position in the market for generative AI.
DOA

>>106244274
>Of course they would love that. Microsoft is heading that way, too. OS will update on a regular schedule, or so they supposedly announced.
They are already doing it, retard.

>>106231965 (OP)
shut it down

>>106231965 (OP)
Why is microsoft so shitty why is every fucking company still running on this AJHHHHHHHHH

>>106231965 (OP)
same shit every time they release a new version. there's always some cunt who just wants to complain. they probably complained about 10 when it first came out.

>>106243161
>>106243258
>a-at least I can run on pentiums!! i-it's your fault not our free soft-*crashes*

>>106244260
You can use XP now and nothing bad will happen

>>106232342
fpbp
fuck those Microjeets with their backdoored OS
Windows 10 was a fucking failure at launch, Windows 11 is a tablet OS for single house wifes also a certified failure
at some point you have to make up your mind whether you belong in the PC market or not

>>106246200
Complaints are valid when the new version is worse, unnecessary or forced on people who don't want to get it.

>>106231965 (OP)
Just another baby duck.

>>106232363
>tiktok is literally chink spyware
As opposed to what? If you're on anything that requires internet then you're most definitely being spied on... Why does it matter if its the glowies or the chinese

>>106232494
Correct. This is the full paragraph. They took the middle of a sentence spoken by a random developer out of context.
You can listen to it yourself at learn.microsoft.com/en-us/shows/ignite-2015/brk2352, section starts just after 15:00
They even clarified later that they can’t speak about future branding.
> "Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers," says a Microsoft spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. "We aren't speaking to future branding at this time, but customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox.

>>106233177
>Noooo you can't use your PC for games or media or work or social messaging or features or drivers!!
What does your image imply PCs are for?

so when is windows 10 support ending?

>>106248732
not anytime soon for those of us using non-cucked editions like Enterprise LTSC

>>106244732
>it felt like it was a concerted operation of the antivirus companies creating the problem so they could sell the solution
I've always been suspicious of this going on. This aside from the occasional troll writing malware to mess with others for a giggle, and ransomware farmers.

>>106248732
Two months.

>>106247433
Then maybe you shouldn't use it if you don't agree with the EULA

states the following:
>microsoft can automatically check for and install updates.

>they can change or remove features at any time.

>your continued use means you accept those changes.

>>106244199
Big tech are shitting their pants because we are in a moment of computing anarchy. Airgapped and old computers are not useless, but don't take this as an excuse to keep really shitty hardware that can't be upgraded. Ivy bridge CPUs will always be viable for basic office tasks, if you can live with a machine that only runs W7 + MSO or W7(+) + VMware for that, then you literally never have to pay for office programs again. Print using XPS Writer, send that shit to Fax and Scan , and you'll end up with your documents as .tif that you can print using any other computer or a usb stick, I mention the .tif thing to dispel any excuses about non-existent printer drivers for older computers. If you have something wayy better than Ivy bridge, then there's a lot more you can do with VMware, but also have the office stuff accessible, since moderately old cpus struggle with software rendering if you are trying to do anything 3d/gaming related on a VM, unless you have the money for more robust virtualization/GPU passthrough.

I got a micro Dell years ago, it's tiny, only has 12GB of ram, but it's amazing because it runs W10 just fine, plus WXPro through VMware for all the office crap.

Even XP is viable for basic office tasks on an old computer, but there are more hoops to jump through to get .tif out, which is why I recommend generating an XPS files which the host (Windows Vista+ natively support it) can send to Fax and Scan for .tif output or direct printing.

Current VMware supports W8+, for W7 you have to hunt down older installers, if you are too lazy to do the workaround for installing W10 on prebuilts that don't support it. VMs generated by W10 are much smaller though, so I recommend you do the latter instead, as W7 fully updated + VMware + VM bloat well over 110GB if you are trying to do more than office tasks.

>>106249185
Why are you bootlicking? An employee?

>>106249185
Just because it's in an EULA doesn't mean it's necessarily legal. Agreeing to be a slave doesn't mean slavery becomes legal. Not that you care, your mind is set on being wrong for some reason.

>>106248864
Even if Microsoft officially provides some limited paid support for LTSC into the 2030s, the end of mainstream support on January 12, 2027 is going to quickly lead to support being dropped by third-parties.
If a vendor won't support their closed-source software, nobody else is going to support it either.

>>106232745
If you wanna play Black Ops 6 you have no other choice. Wang blows 10 is all we have, 11 is a CoPilot NSA bother. Have fun looking at porn on Windows 11, EVERYONE WILL KNOW
Boy when's the new COD coming out I gotta get down to little Caesar's get the DOUBLE XP PIZZA WITH THE CRAAAAAAAYZY BREAD AND THE MARINARA DIP then go to WALMART AND COP A 12 PACK OF MOUNT'N DEEEEEEEEW
YOU BUY THE STORE BRAND THATS HOW MY GIRLFRIEND LEFT ME AFTER I THREW AN XBOX CONTROLLER AT HER FOR FORGETTING THE LITTLE CAESARS
Get yourself a woman who'll suck your dick while your grinding on Black Ops 6. You treat her like shit they'll think it's hot
She even gets out the garbage pail when I get the runs. You know you found the one when she cleans the runny shit with wet wipes.

>>106249876
You sound like my Uncle Hal in his mid 50s. He's still fucking college sluts and eating hot pockets playing Video games and huffing bongs since the 80s. Said he'd take magic mushrooms turn on Legend Of Zelda for NES then him and some sluts would run into the forest after about half an hour and they'd practice sex Magick. My Mormon Christian ass hasn't seen any Pussy ever but I prefer it that way to save myself for marriage tbqh after seeing how many STDs he's acquired without telling ANY of his partners. Guess it's the risk they run, swine and all

>>106231965 (OP)
well maybe don't rely on jews for your software in the 1st palce

>>106232745
>Windows 11 was trash
>Windows 2030 was trash
>Don't you know computer enthusiasts such as myself only use *newest thing*?
It has the newest, most invasive AI ever! You have to throw away old tech without regard for how much privacy/money you sacrifice to own/operate it.

>>106249442
being legal has nothing to do with what i said. it's principle. if you don't fucking like the EULA why keep using it? this mindset I will never understand. and you call me a slave. topkek fucking ziggers