Thread 106233678

my IceCat doesn't have that issue

To disable AI tab thing:
>browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled false
To disable tab grouping:
>browser.tabs.groups.enabled false

>>106233725
mine seems to have been disabled by default

>>106233730
probably because your hardware is ancient

>>106233678 (OP)
And thats why you run esr. Updoot faggoys btfo

>>106233678 (OP)
I heard you like AI, so we put an AI in your AI so you can generate prompts by writing prompts.

>>106233678 (OP)
Why can't we have a good software what stays the same for 20 years? Why do they have to change everything constantly for the worse? Or at least they should make the new features optional and turned off by default.
4chan is almost perfect in this sense.

not like chrome is any better, if you use adblock then youtube will spike your cpu usage everytime you touch the playbar.

>>106234487
Works fine on my machine

>>106234519
sure it does

my Floorp doesn't have that issue

>>106233678 (OP)
This is a preview of The Road Ahead, to when everycunt shall be bundling a local AI with their app. And they all fight with each other.

>>106234470
Stagnation is death in the market
I guarantee you you would not like it today if your OS took several minutes to boot up in any case. There's a mountain of shit people wouldn't want to give up now just to get to "the good old times when updates didn't matter".

>>106233678 (OP)
Firefox went downhill when they let the rusttrannies in

>>106234554
I mean you can seethe and cope all you want, it's still miles better than Poozilla Troonfox. You should donate more maybe $7 million per year is not enough for their CEO.

>>106234600
Yeah because 90% of the customers are retarded and probably not even spending their own money. Without welfare and other free gibz dumb people wouldnt be a deciding factor.

>>106233678 (OP)
just use floorp

>>106233784
ESR for Windows 7 is expiring soon, so you WILL get the new features or Cloudflare will block you as "outdated browser". Microsoft and Cloudflare conspire with each other to force hardware upgrades, and 4chan is complicit by making Windows XP and Pale Moon users pay for passes.

>>106233678 (OP)
What? Who asked for this?

>>106234600
>I guarantee you you would not like it today if your OS took several minutes to boot up in any case.
Why would anyone want a slow OS? Are you retarded? You can improve and optimize your existing features without restructuring the whole UI and adding useless popular slop.
Also Win7 was faster in general than Win11. Win11 is full of bloat and unoptimized exponential-time algorithms.

Reminder that Firefox doesn't fix bugs on the mobile version, and they block about:config on mobile to appease Google's management.

Firefox is just Google's plausible deniability shield, and Firefox has more advertising built in than Chrome. real browser devs now work on Ladybird and Servo.

data.firefox.com that people are abandoning Firefox en-masse, less than 150 million users now.

I'm glad i'm no longer a furry.

>>106234568
same
firefox = shit
firefox, japan = sovl

>>106233678 (OP)
is it true that Firefox's google money is drying up?

>>106233678 (OP)
Use Brave instead, Firefox devs are radical leftist extremists

>>106235140
>Use Brave instead, Firefox devs are radical leftist extremists
you say to use brave but the stuff after the comma just sounds based

>>106234690
>reddit space
I will continue to use Firefox. You can now kill yourself retarded shill

>>106234600
Security features and updates existed 20 years ago. Also, we're talking about the structure and design of products, which is different from the quality of the product itself. As in, superior hardware that can run software quicker does not necessitate interface changes to software.
There's a difference between, let's say, buying an improved keyboard with better ergonomics and build quality vs buying a keyboard with a different layout.
Some people think that using Qwerty instead of Dvorak, Colemak, and Workman is also stagnation. However if you think about it objectively, you'd have to waste around a year to learn how to use the new layout it optimally, for the sake of typing 5% faster.
Also, AI increases your productivity as much as it decreases it. We don't need AI inside the web browser, the same way we didn't need profile pictures to be round everywhere. We also didn't need youtube's player to look a bit different every couple of years.
This isn't market stagnation, it's just engineer's dilemma.

>>106234644
r3dfox

why are retards still using firefucks when you have librewolf.

>>106233730
same

>>106234519
Have fun with Google removing Manifest V2 in the next major update.

>>106236759
Because at some point you have to say enough autism is enough. I'm already using a browser with a 3% market share on an OS with a 4% market share. I don't want to dig any deeper into forks and forks of forks "maintained" by one guy in Ohio.

>>106234600
>Stagnation
ironically there's already stagnation, we're trapped in an endless circle of just updoooting without any real gain from it.
>you would not like it today if your OS took several minutes to boot up
Again, ironically modern OS are magnitudes slower than older ones. It's the hardware that has been getting better. But tell me, what does it matter if our hardware is so much better than a decade ago if the OS boots at barely the same speed? We haven't gained anything practical. We've sold just smoke and lies.

>>106234690
>real browser devs now work on browser that haven't released yet
I'm just as excited for Ladybird as the next guy but I'm staying on Firefox dev and Brave until they release a stable version.
You know Servo was a Mozilla project until 2020 right?

>>106234612
>Firefox went downhill when they let the rusttrannies in

Quoted for truth.

>>106236759
Literally Firefox but with a user.js. I've been doing that since before Librewolf was even a thing.

>>106233730
>>106237243
The smart tabs grouping thing is on a phased regional rollout. Not everyone got it yet.

>>106234690
You can access it via chrome://geckoview/content/config.xhtml , but yea

>>106233678 (OP)
What do you mean tab grouping, I've never seen any of my tabs being ever grouped but I DID see massive memory leaks for the past two months

there's an AI feature on firefox? lol I literally didn't notice it

>>106233678 (OP)
i saw the AI tab and i got this instantly thanks to some anon on /g/ https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/switch-to-firefox-extended-support-release-esr

>>106237846
Floorp has it sadly.

>>106239058
Why? Just disable it in about:config. ESR is gonna get it as well eventually.

>>106236759
>librewoke

>>106233743
2019 is not ancient

>>106241822
lol

>>106239692
>Just disable it in about:config
i like how this argument is conveniently ignored when talking about Brave but i should take tinkering into consideration when using Furryfox

>>106233725
My AI tab setting is already disabled, probably from latest update.

>>106233784
>ESR
I forget this dinosaur edition exists. No doubt still used by schizos.
Should be using Supermium if you are on Winhoes 7 or something.

>>106234623
this meme isn't that much of a hyperbole, cancerous shareholders are just laughing at all these spectacles while staying out of it all in whatever ways, they need to be shot and bombed

>>106242022
>Supermium
what?

>>106241861
When did I say anything about brave? I also use Brave and I disable all the cryptoshit using policies.

ever since the update firefox eats up 1gb of ssd read per 10 minutes. i've fully switched to brave cause of that and I should have done so sooner kek. firefox is trash and every site loads faster on brave no placebo

>>106233678 (OP)
Switched to ungoogled Chromium from Firefox recently and it's been great so far.
No need for SJWfox, shill lion and Librewoke.

>>106235140
10 BAT deposited to your wallet saars

Its a local on browser thing that's FOSS, I don't see any problem. You want to disable it ? You can do so. If its buggy or some shit because its new, let them fix it. I would't sperg out about AI - this is one of the few times that Mozilla could probably use their browser to get people invested and aware that
>AI can, and should, be FOSS and local
rather than a proprietary SaaS shitbag with proprietary training data, where major corpos scrape the entire Internet and pirate everything, but then turn around and join the whiner social media "artists" and screech about piracy or scraping or whatever else, when other FOSS projects that could compete with them do the same thing. If Mozilla starts focusing that AI needs to be FOSS, open weights/training data, and locally hosted that will be a move in the right direction.

>>106237287
This is the crux of it. LibreWolf or IceCat or whatever the fuck else are fine, but the vast majority of the engine and overall browser development is by Mozilla and right now, if they can't keep going or fall behind in features, usability, compatibility none of these forks are going to be able to pick up the slack. Most of the forks are basically prefab configuring shit and some of them not that well - I remember the time that running LibreWolf made you easier to fingerprint and less secure because it was like you were trying to be a "spy" under the radar while walking around dressed like you were in The Matrix, carrying multiple firearms and bladed weapons, and a briefcase marked TOP SECRET ENCRYPTED SPY STUFF FEDS KEEP OUT. Firefox, be it the standard release version , ESR or one of the others, is fine - you can configure it how you wish at whatever degree of autism, and suggesting that its necessary to use some fork to have a viable browser is going to undermine the support Firefox needs and the userbase that allows for such forks to be generated in the first place

>>106244026
>ungoogled Chromium
Manifest V3 status?

>>106244395
MV2 extensions work just fine.

>>106244433
Nice. Even uMatrix?

>>106234623
Will they like it when I go out of my way to find something that isn't ruined by AI?

>>106236759
Because to avoid fingerprinting you need to browse the web in a 1024x768 screen resolution or whatever subpar retarded resolution. It's not Librewolf's fault but it goes too far for me.

>>106233678 (OP)
Is this the reason for the bug that happens when you click some text input on some website, the tab freezes and then literally jumps out into a separate window. I'm not joking. The tab transforms into a separate window. So I have to put it back into the main window. Shit is so annoying. On the previous version tabs would freeze completely along with the address bar so I had to reorder one of the tabs to fix this (thank god I found this workaround). Fucking firefox, man.

>>106236759
waterfox does better

>>106233725
now give me the thing that disables the AI sidebar that pops up every time you open history

>>106246979
>AI sidebar
lol

>>106233678 (OP)
I'm on ESR. Never have any of these issues.

>>106248045
what version of ESR? does it have the annoying AI sidebar or not?

>>106248092
I think the latest one is 140, if I'm not mistaken the ai was added in 141.
140 is gonna remain ESR for roughly 12 months.

>>106248113
i dont mean the AI itsself. im talking about the AI sidebar

>>106244020
Isn't that version the last one for Vista or something?

>>106248169
>sidebar
No, it's not there.

>>106233725
New features that drastically increase required resources should be opt-in. Feel free to highlight the new cool features with the opt-in settings with a "What's new" onboarding screen. UX 101.

>>106234600
Apparently not given iPhone is releasing the same model every year and incrementing the number anyways. Do you know what's worse than stagnation? Stagnation but lying about progress.

>>106248258
try ctrl + H

>>106242881
It's a Chromium fork with support for Windows XP and up.

>>106248451
don't spoonfeed newfriends, anon

>>106244433
I can't imagine them working for long, eventually they're going to remove the flags that allows users to enable support for Manifest V2 and then they'll remove it from the code altogether.

>>106246979
browser.ml.chat.enabled false
Even better disable the new sidebar entirely with:
sidebar.revamp false

>>106248341
Just disable it: sidebar.revamp false

>>106242881
Here, newfren:
https://github.com/win32ss/supermium
Enjoy. Let other know about it. :3

>>106246264
Their response would be something along the lines of
"Good luck with that, serf"

>>106248685
>https://github.com/win32ss/supermium
nice thank u anon

>>106233725
>>browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled
This might have been causing the display of my potato to crash

>>106233678 (OP)
>keeping user data private since the ai is on your computer
>unless of course you're hacked and the attacker just get the history stored inside the ai

remember that Mozilla removed this from their FAQ
Does Firefox sell your personal data?
"Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise."

they removed a promise about not selling your data. i don't trust Mozilla any more. https://archive.is/5Pe2u

>>106235166
Brave is crypto malware
>but you can disable it
it's there, it's also based on chromium. Into trash it goes.

>>106236759
Librewolf is a pain in the ass. I only use it for doujinshi.

AI. The forced meme that keeps on giving...

>>106248642
>>106248654
THANK YOU!!!!!

Edge chads stay winning

>>106251660
microsoft spyware

>>106251660
gonna edge right now

>>106251660
Just as bad as Google Chrome. Instead of sharing your data with Google you share it with Microsoft.

>>106233678 (OP)
>automatically sort open tabs by topic
Why the fuck would I want the browser to start moving around tabs?

>>106233678 (OP)
No one needs 'AI tab management'. That's just annoying and stupid. Software in general is too bloated and anything related to web dev is the worst.

>>106233678 (OP)
i hate the antichrist so much bros
why can't we have a nice browser?
i'm using librewolf but i imagine this will come in future versions...
i feel mogged by applefags because they have safari

>>106251660
Sometimes I wonder if MS abandoned their own browser engine just to be able to show this message.

>>106248341
ctrl+h opened the history in a sidebar in ESR

>>106251968
You're still sharing it to google, it's chromium. Edge is basically getting spitroast by google and microsoft at the same time.

>>106244433
They’re gonna completely remove the support later this year. They kept it around for enterprise

>>106250754
>Brave is crypto malware
source?

>>106254342
try reading the faq on their website, bravefag. They mine through your hardware, tell you to watch "privacy respecting ads" and give you small tokens back BAT from what they earned.

>>106234690
Down to 149 million on desktop, but .5% of the still growing mobile browser market gives them some millions more.

>>106233784
>run run eSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR saaaaar

>>106233678 (OP)
>automatic updates

>>106248213
>Isn't that version the last one for Vista or something?
I had to look it up, but 52.9.0 ESR was the last to support XP and Vista.

>>106233678 (OP)
nightly user
nothing to report
i love the fox

>>106233725
no you want to disable AI completely by setting browser.ml.chat.enabled to false

maybe disable everything under browser.ml. too

here's the important ones to disable

browser.ml.enable
browser.ml.chat.enabled
browser.ml.chat.shortcuts
extensions.ml.enabled

>>106241822
For zoomers that feels like 30 years

wtf is this Nimbus experimentation shit and why does it have a bunch of settings enabled by default in about:config

>>106234600
idm seems to be doing just fine after more than 20 years.

>>106254400
wtf I thought the chuds were on our side

>>106233678 (OP)
>AI tab sorting
WHY would you want that? Why would ANYONE want that?
>Powered by a fucking LOCAL AI MODEL
WHY.
WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER IN ANY REALITY WANT SOMETHING SO INEFFICIENT TO SORT THEIR FUCKING TABS!!!

WHO EVEN HAS THAT MANY FUCKING TABS OPEN SO OFTEN THIS IS A PROBLEM?

>>106257209
Reminder Mozilla does this while Firefox for windows doesn't support HDR AND android doesn't have group tabs.all the while getting the worst scores on all browser benchmarks.
At this point they're purposely trying to kill this thing.

>>106257209
I use edge at work, and I wont lie, it is slightly useful when you have 50+ tabs open, but I would never use edge on my personal machines, or give an AI access to my browser.

>>106253498
Just disable it.
>>106248642

>>106258001
Edge is dope as fuck. If you get past the "muh privacy" and login with a Microsoft account shit is amazing. The tab splitting, vertical tabs, sending shit from mobile to desktop.
Fuck I even use it on mobile for it's extension support. Wild that Firefox can't keep up with chromium edge not by a long shot. Crazy enough their AI integration is more straightforward to disable than fucking Firefox's.

>>106250754
>Brave is crypto malware
Everything I don't like is malware it's opt-in not opt-out. You can use policies to completely hide it from your install.

>>106258211
This is a much more fundamental problem with the direction Firefox is going and "just disable it" doesn't address it.
We may expect more of this bullshit in the future, and as most users do not change their settings - much less things on about:config - this will flag to Mozilla that users like it.
And as pointed elsewhere, this will go downstream to the forks that are maintained by a very small number of people who might not be able to keep up with disabling every single retardation that Mozilla adds.

We simply do not have a decent open source software that is well maintained, simple as.

>>106258236
We couldn't opt-out from the constant shilling spam and things that aren't malware don't do that.

>>106233678 (OP)
>local models
Hahaha

>>106258720
Whats insane is that the closed source fucks like chrome, edge and brave at least respects the users to have it be opt-in or a toggle. On top having basic features like hdr and tab groups already enabled.
Firefox is trying to hide shit from users I assume they're going the Ubuntu routes and assuming their user base is retarded so they can shove whatever they want down their throats all while lagging behind in basic features

>>106258225
Its pretty nice, which is why I use it for work, can't even argue its features are significantly better than anything else on the market right now, at least in terms of implementation and usefulness.

I'm not over "muh privacy" right now though on my personal machines, so I won't touch it with a ten foot pole, since its by far and away the most invasive browser.

>>106254400
>tell you to watch "privacy respecting ads"
but what happens if I don't watch

>>106258789
Uh, Brave is open source and Chrome or Edge don't respect their users at all. They have telemetry that you can't disable and Google doesn't like that people are using adblockers so they're crippling Chromium by removing Manifest V2.

>>106259043
>not disabling telemetry on level 3
You get lost on your way to reddit?

>>106258720
>We simply do not have a decent open source software that is well maintained, simple as.
Yeah, exactly, I use Firefox dev edition and Brave and they both suck by default you have to configure them to suck less because that's the best browsing experience you're going to get for now, every browser we have right now kinda sucks. Configuring them to be slightly less terrible is all we have for now.

>>106259056
Imagine thinking that telemetry is acceptable just because you can block the connection on your own network. You can't trust closed source browsers, they don't want you to see their code and you think you can trust them?

>>106246264
No but they'll buy the dip and keep inflating the bubble.

>>106248513
ur a fag

>>106259622
>buy the dip
how

>>106259139
>telemetry
?

>>106251660
based wav

>>106254342
The source is they don't like brave because its the chud browser
Now come back to our browser and take your suppository like a good boy, never go off the ranch again

>>106233678 (OP)
>Can't check about:config on mobile
>because they don't give an option to reset in-app
Nice browser, Firefox.

Shame it's the only fucking browser with an adblock non-root on Android.

>>106254140
Nah, they abandoned their own browser because nobody was using it. And nobody still uses Edge. Everyone just downloads Chrome with it like they did IE.

It's why that ad "YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT!" pops up like five times and people STILL download Chrome.

That's how fucking awful and annoying MS is now a days.

>>106251660
I would gladly edge for some time while sliding my penis in and out of her vagina if you know what i mean.

>>106234655
No one, but every fucking company has to be on the AI bandwagon so they have to find somewhere to stuff it even if it doesn't really belong.

Adobe Reader started giving me hilariously incorrect "summaries" of PDFs that I opened until I found the setting to turn it off.

>>106234690
It's true that Mozilla and even Firefox are heading down the tubes, but there's some time left before it truly happens. Hopefully Ladybird et al will be workable by then. There's a lot riding on it. I hope the devs can deliver.

>>106234655
I have tens of thousands of tabs. I asked for this.

not an issue on ESR
thx for betatesting

>>106233678 (OP)
awoooo (that's the sound of my librewolf browser operating without problems)

>>106256228
Well zoomers are braindead

>>106233678 (OP)
that actually sounds useful, it could save me tons of time i currently spend to organize my tree style tabs. i hope librewolf gets it too or i'll have to switch.

>>106266646
more people use Edge than all Firefox forks combined
imo it's better to just use Edge over Chrome since MS can spy on you with the OS anyway, no need to volunteer to have both MS and Alphabet spy on you

>>106233678 (OP)
What did they think was going to happen?
You need to offload that to CUDA or ROCm.

>>106254283
The entire browser engine will fork in half when that happens, and it will be glorious because that is when Google loses control.
There is a lot of people against them - Google only have control over platforms, but the EU are slapping their shit and more will hop on board soon.
People put up with their shit now, but that's not going to last when the option is outright removed.

>>106268619
>You need to offload that to CUDA or ROCm.
wtf

>>106267944
kek'd

>>106233678 (OP)
>not using vivaldi
you need to see the light, anon.

>>106267868
I'm holding until 2032 with Windows 10 LTSC
Maybe Firefox can hold that long.
But probably not.

>>106234690
>people are abandoning Firefox en-masse
For firefox forks or a chrome fork that's in bed with Peter Thiel who's in bed with the CIA. Until Ladybird is finished, firefox with the telemetry and AI ripped out is as good as you're going to get.

>>106235166
Unfortunately, when anon said radical leftist extremists, he meant libtards. Mozilla just lobbies for censorship and self-sabotages by hiring incompetent crossdressing spergs. You know, the usual for Linux-adjacent projects.

>>106233678 (OP)
so is cookie autodelete kill? shit doesn't work on firefox

>>106272460
That explains the absolute dogshit pace they have when adding basic features their contemporaries had for a decade. It really is like a Linux FOSS project.

>>106233678 (OP)
which update?

>>106233725
what the fuck is ai tab? I don't have this shit

>>106272762
>>106272774
Holy fuck you fags are annoying
https://www.firefox.com/en-US/firefox/141.0/releasenotes/

>>106272811
Thanks virile man, I still don't have the “suggest more of my tabs” feature. I don't use tab groups anyway, they're literally useless.

>>106233678 (OP)
This shit was instantly blocked by librewolf maybe it's not so bad.

>>106233725
Eh tab grouping itself can be handy if you are doing active research

>>106273125
how so

>>106273125
I need AI to organize my "active research" tabs while I jerk off

>>106269819
Doing AI on the CPU is a very bad idea even if you have crazy good AVX512 optimisations, etc, it's going to use lots of power and burn lots of CPU cycles.

I'm by no means anti-AI in Firefox but they need to find ways to get all of the processing for it off of the CPU.

>>106271978
>LTSCope

>>106233743
Not him but is a 5600x this ancient now?

>>106233725
thanks desu. very based.
is there anything else i should make sure is disabled?

in exchange here's my firefox userchrome css that claude made for me

>>106233678 (OP)
oh that's why my computer has been putting out more heat lately. fucking retards.

>>106273125
>"research"

>>106277111
yes it's a cope because i don't think we will ever have something like it again but it's also real and it works

Just install Brave.

>>106279606
based
bravechads won
brendan reich won

>>106279606
>>106279660
paid shills

>>106248341
CTRL+H just leads to the regular history.
t. esr140 fag

>>106279674
>t. mozilla paid shill

>>106279681
werks on my machine

>>106233719
fpbp
icechads keep winning

>>106272460
>hiring incompetent crossdressing spergs
Most of the trannies are veterans from 3.x or earlier days and I wouldn't call them incompetent, just full of contempt toward the kind of user that disables telemetry or uses too many extensions

>>106233725
Thanks anon

>>106235166
>Firefox devs are radical leftist extremists
>dicksucking lips

>>106234623
Reminder that it was never "your" tool to begin with if it can be ruined by ai.

>>106279606
Brave has had this really annoying grey line on the bottom of the screen that is always present on any tab for me
It's annoyed me so much that I went back to using firefox for the time being

>>106284703
oy vey

Is there really no good browser?
My options are just cryptobro brave, Jewgle chrome, and Faggotfox?

>>106286553

FF is crap and gay. Either Brave or chromium

>>106233678 (OP)
No refunds

>>106289026
Why is xheir face so recognizable even when mangled with AI

>>106233730
>>106237846
>>106237243
>>106233743
Looks like there is also a browser.tabs.groups.smart.userEnabled

I will be shilling floorp since its based on firefox esr and has a nice design

>>106233678 (OP)
>Tab grouping
Do faggots really?

>>106234623
Shareholders should be killed. Total Shareholder Death.

>>106268586
Edge is my main browser on windows, android and mac. I use it sometimes on ios. It's comfy, fast, good sync, what's not to like? Heard it's pretty great on Linux too.

ESR chads keep winning.
>headline addition was AI-powered tab grouping, a local, on-device artificial intelligence feature that automatically sorts open tabs by topic and assigns them descriptive group names
Am I the only one to not understand the point of this? Is this for people with 200+ tabs open that can't see the names anymore?
>the feature improves productivity
I never open 200+ tabs at work. I can have around 20 tabs of GitLab tabs but the screen is large enough to know which is what.

>>106235140
+100000000000000000000000 BAT (Basic Attention Tokens, btw), glory to Brave Software, Inc. Long live Brendan Eich.

>>106233678 (OP)
Rust powered*

>>106233678 (OP)
Don't they use hardware acceleration??
Every modern CPU has an NPU with 25-50 TOPS that should handle it easily

>>106289791
>Rust powered
So all mainstream browsers

>>106246116
>almost 2026
>retards STILL talking about a retarded additional extension for something you can do on ublock 1000x better
holy fuarKKKing SHIT kill yourself immediately

>>106288071
>chromium
Qrd please. It this the same as ungoogled chrome?

>>106294115
Chromium includes some Google services - Safe Browsing, telemetry they collect data but less than Chrome. Ungoogled Chromium removes all Google services and tracking for maximum privacy.

I still don't understand why anyone would have more than 5 tabs open at any time?

>>106294791
Thanks. Ungoogled looks just fine then