Thread 106244851

Should Linus be more polite to people who freely volunteer their time to contribute to his operating system?

No, and you should unalive yourself, in minecraft of course :)

>>106244851 (OP)
That isn't even all that bad, and he's not insulting the person that made it, just the code.

>>106244851 (OP)
I think we are entering the end times. way too many eyes are starting to switch to linux.

>>106244851 (OP)
No only weak men get hurt by words and weak men can't be good programmers because they are weak.

>>106244851 (OP)
Hello my friend. Linux is not an operating system, but a kernel. It not owned by one man, but shared by humanity. Good luck bro.

>>106244851 (OP)
Fair criticism. You've gotta be careful when including helper functions in PRs.

>>106244851 (OP)
Maybe, but what's that got to do with your screenshot regarding the guy who's being paid by Alphabet to work on risc-v in the Linux kernel?

Just identify yourself as some trans non binary gender fluid queer whatever and he will be kind to you.

>>106244851 (OP)
I don't like Linus in general but he is 100% correct in this situation, even more so considering you conveniently omitted the last part where he calls out the tranny for trying to maliciously sneak these changes at the last minute
>You're on notice: no more late pull requests, and no more garbage outside the RISC-V tree.
>Now, I would *hope* there's no garbage inside the RISC-V parts, but that's your choice. But things in generic headers do not get polluted by crazy stuff. And sending a big pull request the day before the merge window closes in the hope that I'm too busy to care is not a winning strategy.
>So you get to try again in 6.18. EARLY in the that merge window. And without the garbage.

>>106244851 (OP)
if you think about it, would facebook putting malware into the linux kernel really be a bad thing?

>>106244851 (OP)
fuck off, Palmer

>>106244893
>he's not insulting the person that made it, just the code.
It's the same thing

>>106246540
snowflake faggot
>>106244851 (OP)
also why didnt you post the full quote cumdrinker op?

>>106244851 (OP)
Could Linus be less Finnish? Sure but he would not be so funny.

full quote btw
ops post is blatant trolling

>>106244851 (OP)
He has zero reason to engage in this way. His word is law. He could politely but firmly reject and he'd have to type less and the guy would have to listen anyway.
It's pointless hazing that strokes his ego and makes impressionable idiots think that being like Linus means writing epic rants with lots of swears instead of having technological or project management skills.

>>106246540
No it isn't, even a genius programmer can fuck up and make a bad program. Mistakes are meant to be something you learn from.

>>106244851 (OP)
No, because they might confuse politeness with permission to commit dogshit.

>>106244851 (OP)
does that result in a better product? even in a convoluted rube goldberg machine, butterfly effect way

>>106244851 (OP)
>people who freely volunteer their time to contribute to his operating system?
stop with this fucking meme, most linux devs are paid to do that.
freetards don't have the skills to contribute to linux, we're not in the 90s anymore...
>inb4 hurr gmail address reeeeeeee
I use my gmail address too and I'm paid to write drivers for linux so fuck off.

>>106246707
unequivocably yes
especially when you factor in the circumstances
-volounteer work
-channel of communication: mailing list
-thousands of contributors throughout the years

>>106246672
He can tell people not to do that and that he won't merge their code and they'll get the message. Other projects get by just fine.

>>106244851 (OP)
>freely volunteer
lel. >90% of the contributions are from paid programmers. this dude particularly is a paid engineer from Meta (facebook).

>>106246749
>90% of the contributions are from paid programmers.
source

>>106246749
>>106246760
more precisely:
show the proportion of devs that are getting paid for their contributions to loonix, precisely
---
on another note, holy fuck some of these people are on a whole 'nother level

>>106246747
>He can tell people not to do that and that he won't merge their code and they'll get the message.
They won't. If they feel like they are aggravating the top man, and wasting his time, they will not make the same mistake again.

>>106246793
It's hard to say, but at least IBM keeps people on staff specifically for this purpose.

>>106246807
Nobody wants to get their code rejected. Missing the release window is painful enough. It'd genuinely work just as well either way.

>>106246760
>>106246793

https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/24/who_writes_open_source/
https://lwn.net/Articles/915435/

actually it's >95%

>>106246813
theres a very crucial distinction to be made bw
"people who are paid programmers who contribute to loonix after hours"
and
"people who are paid specifically to make linux contributions"
since were discussing this data from the POV of organizational logic

>>106245004
No wonder Linux never became popular, creations are mirrors of their creators.

>>106246827
>https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/24/who_writes_open_source/
literally opinion article
>https://lwn.net/Articles/915435/
im currently reading it
you have to explain to me how the fuck do you arrive at the >95% figure
even assuming all the contribuitors are paid specifically to post their patches

>>106246894
if you are optimist and assume all unknowns are not paid, it's still 7.2%.
the code is copyrighted to the corp and the commits posted with working emails.
it is known for years now that the corpos are the main contributor to linux kernel.

>>106247113
>it is known for years now that the corpos are the main contributor to linux kernel.
yea, i know
but the context is how that relates to the challenges for coordinating linux
and thats why its relevant to know how involved their parent company is

is their pay dependent on not fucking up? then loonis has an easy job and he shouldnt be yelling
and even that is subject to scrutiny as to how much power does linus exactly have
if thats not the case or loonis doesnt have much to say, then the carry a big stick and never hesitate to use it is perfectly justified

>>106246843
>"people who are paid programmers who contribute to loonix after hours"
Nobody's referring to that when they say "paid programmers"

>>106247148
linus himself is paid by those corps... indirectly. the Linux Foundation gave him $millions every year, those millions are from sponsors like microsoft, amazon, valve, google, ... he has less power than you think.

>>106247212
yeah but the lwn article is ambiguous on that part
the identifying trait for "corporate contributors" is that they use a corporate email
and theres several possible reasons for that
plenty of .edu emails were in the 4keks jany leaks
'doesnt mean they were paid to janny here
to the contrary. if someone paid them they would have used a modicum of opsec
when you pay, you can demand a set of requisites. one of them would be to avoid leaving obvious trails

>>106247231
>he has less power than you think.
yeah, i know that too
but im focused on the organizational aspect of things in the scope of managing the linux kernel- whats the extent of his authority in that field

When microsoft committed hundred of thousands of line of code for the azure platform, you never heard a single word from Linus. You think he checked all those commits? probably not. His answer here (>>106246572) reminds me that scene in the sopranos when Tony is recovering from a surgery and thinks his men will start to see him as weak so he decides to beat up the new guy in front of everyone. Linus is a bully.

>>106244851 (OP)
I'm pretty sure Linus does this to make sure everyone, including people who often contribute code like Dabbelt here, will double check their code more often.

>>106247285
what a completely retarded non argument
the spat wasnt about the body of the commit, but the fact that a helper function was put in a generic (top-level) header

>>106247300
he's a bully, nothing you will say will change my views on that.

>>106247250
>and theres several possible reasons for that
Only two I can think of are employees, full or part time, and contractors. They would not be using their corporate email for volunteer work.
>plenty of .edu emails were in the 4keks jany leaks
That's from universities and educational institutions, which are not the subject here.

>>106247313
>Only two I can think of are employees,
laziness is another one
>That's from universities and educational institutions, which are not the subject here.
100% the subject here
namely: using an email provided by your organization in things that dont relate to them, properly

>b-but that completely destroys my pre-fabricated conclusion
good. [insert a wide selection o ethnic and homophobic slurs here]

>>106247363
>laziness is another one
That's not realistic, big corps are pretty tight about what you can do with your office email. They also disable it the second you are no more contracted to them. Also the code is copyrighted to the corporation.

>>106247496
>Also the code is copyrighted to the corporation.
this is the only argument
the rest is retarded and irrelevant

so, where are your stats?

>>106244851 (OP)
>freely volunteer
Wasn't that guy a Google employee
Also surely getting chewed out by Linus is some kind of street cred in the SE world

>>106244851 (OP)
>Should Linus be more polite to people who freely volunteer their time to contribute to his operating system?
No, people should stop being so retarded.

>>106247740
https://lwn.net/Articles/915435/

>>106247968
>reposts same article
you are profoundly retarded

>>106248012
it's reliable.

"""
The approach taken by your editor was relatively simplistic, but, perhaps, the best that is practical. Any patch whose author's given email address indicates a corporate affiliation is assumed to have been developed by an employee of that corporation. So any patch posted by somebody with an ibm.com email address is accounted as having been done by an IBM employee. Things are complicated by the fact that many people who work for companies do not use corporate addresses; it is not unheard-of for companies to have policies explicitly prohibiting code contributions associated with their domains. Your editor has coped with this problem by filling in the relevant developer's affiliation whenever it is known to him; in some cases, the developer was asked for this information.
"""

Jonathan Corbet is a veteran and luminary in the Linux kernel communnity.

>>106248084
youre repeating something that i already mentioned earlier
autism is indeed a profound mental retardation

what about your copyrights? hmm?
do you feel suitably retarded now that you learned that loonix doesnt enfoirce em and the majority of the code is under distributed ownership?

anyhoo
i dont have more time to waste atm
im just gonna finish with
> lgbtgroid retards wanna stir flamewars again
> obviously theyre retarded and have fuck all to say

>>106248124
Corbet knows very well who is paid or not. It would be obvious to you too that most of the code is from corps if you had followed kernel development a little. Tell me a major feature that wasn't instigated by a corp. The amd driver alone is +6 millions of lines of code.

>>106244851 (OP)
Seems moderate?
You should see how they talk (and physically struggle) with each other at the CEO layer of large corps

>>106248202
>Corbet knows very well who is paid or not. It would be obvious to you too that most of the code is from corps if you had followed kernel development a little.
> still pretends to have a leg to stand on after his copyright assertions

also its completely irrelevant to the assesment of the justifiability of torvalds actions
>yeah, but many are paid to post, specifically
>>idk but they all work at corpos as their dayjob
>yeah, i get it, but how many are under the direct control of torvalds?
>>idk, but they all work at corpos as their dayjob
youre so retarded i feel a, instinctual urge to kill you
you either have the memory of a goldfish and the brainpower of a mildly competent dog
or a crackwhore has more integrity than you
either case, i gtg
cya later, aligater

>>106248281
yeah, bobby kotick from activision is just gonna drug and rape you in the toilet (regardless of your gender)

It's ok because he said anti-woke bad, that makes him being a retarded sperg perfectly fine and valid.

>>106248453
shut the fuck up, lgbtourist

>>106245050
He could have just said "no this is retarded, try again" but he's a big grumpy boy that likes to write 5 paragraphs like an unhinged estrogenoid.

>>106247768
>Wasn't that guy a Google employee
Yes, but this detail goes against the narrative OP is trying to push so you're supposed to ignore it.

>>106247250
I don't know how it works elsewhere, but when I contribute stuff to open source on company time, they see it as goodwill as long as it doesn't take too much time, they expect me to use my work mail. When I contribute shit in my spare time, I use my private mail. I know some American companies force their programmers to always use their work mail when contributing, but that shit would never fly here. Just as an anecdote.

>>106249686
>I know some American companies force their programmers to always use their work mail when contributing
it can be a marketing thing
it can be a contractual thing
it can be both

some companies have exclusivity clauses as in: you cannot work on anything else besides your company stuff
some companies want mindshare so you will be ask or even forced to use your company mail
also with exclusivity clauses

so theres certainly situations where even if contributing happens during company hours, it can also be a deal of the sort
>ok, we saw you contribute. you remember that clause?
>no, were not gonna fire you. we support that
>in fact, we want you to use your company mail AND now contribute, just as you did, but now in addition to your daily responsibilities
boom. now wagiecuck retard as he is goes home happy because he can contribute during office hours
but you as a manager you just optimized company time because wagiecuck is still gonna get reviewed like anybody else
and now hes contractually obligated to maintain his shit, as opposed to abandoning it later on bc of x or y
if its related to your product you have control over qa
and you now have an insider who vill inglood ze proprietary blobs or he will lose his dayjob.
completely legally.

>>106248281
Are you saying that Kengan is real?

>>106249686
>>106250118
cont
but not everything is as dark
theres plenty of situations where people use contributing to loonis as stepping stone in their career and transitioning into fully paid full time contributor is a natural evolution of things
and still in that situation old control structures might remain in place with nigh zero communication bw the loonix foundation and wagie's company

again, this is all in the context of organization and whether loonis' style is justified

>>106244851 (OP)
This is Linus's redemption arc post. Fuck being nice. It's all about the code and he has a responsibility to that end.

The unpaid volunteer excuse needs to go. If you can't do your thing properly, then don't do it and fuck off.

He removed ReiserFS.

That helper seems garbage and putting it into a header is retarded, Linus is correct.

>>106246719
"freetard" code is all the foundational code of linux. From the minix stuff linus read in source form and then ripped off, to his immediate begging of hackers to help him in 1993 when he ran out of stuff to copyright infinge from minix (and yes it is copyright infringement since he had access to the minix source code and read it, and immediately wrote his own version)

You rewighting hacker code does not change the copyright on the rewritten code. It still belongs to the hackers.

Hackers are not allowed to contribute to linux anymore because they are anti-feminists and anti-US-Law, not because they are "not gud programmaers anymore"

ReiserFS worked fine till the very day it was removed (see the reddit thread (yes I know you'll attack me for mentioning reddit)).

>>106247113
You are trying to erase the triumph of the hackers that Linux was.
(Remeber PaX, Grsecurity, ReiserFS)
(Linux used to be the most secure OS, with the fastest filesystem)

And tortuously effect a conversion of their intellectual property.
You can rewrite some existing part of Linux 1000 times; it will still be a derivative work of the original authors. Yet you do this to bury them and the memory of them.

Because they are not feminists, not women, not faggots.

We will kill you all for this dishonour.
Laugh all you want.
We will kill you people for what you've done.

>>106246894
>A group of hackers create a marble statue.
>It stands unadorned for 10 years (1993-2003)

>Feminists come and cunt cum red paint on it,
>They do this from 2007 - 2024
>The marble statue now has 7 feet of red paint in all directions over it
>They then drill into the marble statue and dig out it's right eye (ReiserFS).

Are these people the people who "made" Linux?

>>106252372
>freetard" code is all the foundational code of linux.
so? where are they now?
>You rewighting hacker code does not change the copyright on the rewritten code. It still belongs to the hackers.
the fuck are you talking about, most of linux code is written by globohomos from scratch, tehere is barely any code left from pre-2000 era
>Hackers are not allowed to contribute to linux anymore because they are anti-feminists and anti-US-Law, not because they are "not gud programmaers anymore"
meds
now
>ReiserFS worked fine till the very day it was removed (see the reddit thread (yes I know you'll attack me for mentioning reddit)).
no globohomos were willing to support it, where were the freetards when we needed them to step up?
basement dwellers aren't reliable so no one rely on them, as simple as.

>>106252439
>the fuck are you talking about, most of linux code is written by globohomos from scratch, tehere is barely any code left from pre-2000 era

The hackers created the organization and structure of the program that is the Linux kernel.

They still own that. The courts recognize said organization and structure as intellectual property.
You won't believe me in this: I do not care.

Your annotations and changes to the Linux Kernel, even if "no piece of pre 2000 code yet remains": are still derivative works of their copyrighted work. They also own the organization and structure of the code.

According to the Copyright Office they have the right to control derivative works of their copyrighted work. Which the hackers all retained their copyrights to (they did not transfer their copyrights)

>so? where are they now?
Exactly.
Nowhere.

You disrespect them and spit upon them.

>no globohomos were willing to support it, where were the freetards when we needed them to step up?
Banned, dipshit.
Also the code still worked fine. It didn't need support, dipshit.
Support was NEVER required when the hackers wrote ALL of linux from 1993-2003.
That is a new "requirement" and was never part of the deal.

You faggots removed ReiserFS because he is not a feminist.
He gave his money and his mind and his life to free software, and the hacker cause.
I remeber it. You removed his work to remove his legacy. ReiserFS made linux: it was nothing before that journaling FS was put in. And it was everything once it was in.

The hackers should rescind their permission to use their intellectual property.
And sink what you have stolen and locked them out of.
Which is their life's work.

Yes IAAL.

>>106252439
>basement dwellers aren't reliable so no one rely on them, as simple as.
You converted our property to your property.
We are going to kill you.

Simple as.
Honour must be paid in blood.

>>106244851 (OP)
It's impolite to waste Linus' time with garbage.
Linus is also a volunteer you know.

>>106244851 (OP)
everything he said is completely valid, that person likely created that "helper" function just to use it once or twice in the code, the identifier is literally longer than the code it replaces so it only makes the code less readable and makes it take longer to write

>>106244851 (OP)
Interesting how he never seethes about rust shitcode

>>106244851 (OP)
No, and without being a kernel contributor but knowing enough about code to know what the guy did, he deserved it.

>>106252571
you should seriously take your meds, your post does not make any sense lmao
>>106252585
MODS HALP!!!!!!!! HIROSHIMOOT SENDS THE POLICE

Why is no one talking about the fact that this was an attempted backdoor?

>>106252831
no tf it wasnt? it was just an idiot trying to push shit code into the kernel. if someone was trying to backdoor they would at the very least submit good code. also any retard would know its impossible to submit a backdoor into linux and get it merged without it getting caught since it gets checked by hundreds before even touching a random's pc

nobody needs to be nice

>>106244851 (OP)
That person works for a RISC-V company specifically making shit for RISC-V Linux. They're not a volunteer.

>>106244851 (OP)
no. it's profoundly important to put retards in their place. all problems of the world stem from retards being outside of their place.

>>106244976
didnt some linux foundation just put out a whole list of no-no words because it hurts their programmers' feelings?

>>106246540
Maybe if you are LGBTQ. Sane people are able to recognize the distinction.

>>106247285
>tv slop analogy
One step above a food analogy

>posts fairly tame linus rant
*Linus is a meany, WAAAAHHH!*

I have such sights to show you...

>>106254514
What is the most brutal Linus rant?

>>106244851 (OP)
I don't really care if he's right or not this dude sounds deranged and immature. I haven't talked to people like this since I was a 13 year old kid power tripping on the thrill of being an internet forum moderator. What an absolute faglord.

usecase for being nice to everyone by default?

>>106246540
Only if you're a retard, retard.

>>106244851 (OP)
I will now start doing retarded pull requests just to piss him off and collect seething reply

>>106244851 (OP)
Errors and mistakes should be pointed out. If the consequences of them are dire? The pointing should be harsh and unambigious. "This is retarded, rtfm this and this, pull request denied". Linus is close, but he rants, he's not laconic.

>>106255519
>pull request
And just where are you planning on doing that, retard?

>>106244851 (OP)
He said in a past interview he tried to be nicer and use HR approved language but that led to situations where people mistook his politeness for implicit approval of their ideas for the kernel, even though their ideas were fundamentally flawed, so they wasted months of their time writing code implementing them, only for Linus to eventually completely reject their contribution which led to more hurt feelings and more drama all around. After that Linus decided to be explicit about how he feels to nip awful code and ideas in the bud.

>>106255633
>clear communication prevents problems
mindblowing

>>106254843
*faith in humanity restored*
https://github.com/corollari/linusrants

>>106255819
>Kay, this needs to be fixed. ... Of course, I'd also suggest that whoever was the genius who thought it was a good idea to read things ONE F*CKING BYTE AT A TIME with system calls for each byte should be retroactively aborted. Who the f*ck does idiotic things like that? How did they noty die as babies, considering that they were likely too stupid to find a tit to suck on?
Lost.
Holy shit that's brutal but also justified.

>>106255837
Fuck, it took me back to sitting in the dark of an early morning with everyone else sleeping trying hard not to piss myself laughing at the kernel.org mailing list...

>>106244851 (OP)
This kind of behavior by Linus is only encouraged by retard redditors who never grew out of the "verbally destroyed by high IQ!" era of the internet when it was cool to write paragraphs about how much of an idiot someone is, e.g Maddox.

It's irrelevant if Linus is technically correct in the issue being raised, he is acting like an emotional dumb fuck. A simple "No, here is a better way - please do that next time" would have sufficed. The only reason he goes on these long rants is because he knows a bunch of midwits will laud him for his le epic commitment to keeping linux running well, when these spastic rants actually contribute nothing at all.

>>106255883
There is only so much bullshit one can take before cracking.
And, a lot of people don't realize it takes a lot for Linus to get to this point.

>>106252402
>>106252571

Linus is angry all the time because his lesbian daughter hates him.

>>106256012
No, its because people can't follow standards and don't really know what they are doing.

cope

>>106244851 (OP)
cry about it snowflake

>>106244851 (OP)
>Ignores his request
>Provides sub-par material
I'd be mad too. Especially if my vacation was interrupted by it.

>>106244851 (OP)
That's a professional software engineer being paid to do this, not a volunteer.

>>106244851 (OP)
While the naming doesn't say which is which people learn from learning the code. How are they supposed to know what is the purpose of bit shifting if there is no comment nor function? The person that have no clue will be flabbergasted. I think the take is kinda retarded. How hard is to "goto definition" and read a description? Even Ctags can do this and even if you are minimalist guy. This argument can be extrapolated to the point you shouldn't make functions at all and inline everything, because it's just code.

We need an alternative kernel than Linux that is actually readable, small and one can learn from reading it. This attitude of people like Linus is basically "RTFM", but worse because there is no clear pointers where to look for the explanations. Of course he knows this stuff, because he worked on it for live.

>>106255633
You know, there's a middle ground between fake niceness and over-the-top rudeness.

>>106244851 (OP)
Finns are freaks and its time the world became aware

>>106256917
he's a outgoing Fin i.e. a very blunt asshole.

>>106244851 (OP)
tbf he deserve to get ai slope as contribution code after he described the use of this as "automation"
i hope he keeps getting spammed with this shit
this will teach him to call the problem by its true name and stop being a spineless and submissive cunt

>>106244851 (OP)
Good to see Linus being rude again even after his daughter forced him to attend a struggle session

>>106246856
>never became popular
>literally powers entirety of the world
I think you missed the thread, you belong in microsoft cocksucking thread, friend.

>>106252696
he already did and rejected a bunch.
many rust troons quit contributing to loonix precisely because of that.

>>106252887
are you retarded or just that uninformed?

>>106246727
and since linus only became a dick today, that should all start to fall apart now right?

>>106246548
ywnbaw but you sure think like one.

>>106256917
>You know, there's a middle ground between fake niceness and over-the-top rudeness.
>incapable of understanding a linus message isn't rude and he's telling you the code is broke

>>106258829
Almost nobody uses Linux on desktops and Android is the worst OS ever created.
The kernel is used for servers and embedded systems maybe, but only because it's FOSS and therefore doesn't cost a cent, and it's "good enough".

>>106244851 (OP)
>>106246572
Palmer got off lightly. What he did could even be espionage.

>>106259365
you should see how much the bank I work for pays for Redhat

>>106244851 (OP)
Gen Xers are worse than boomers, they're the biggest babies.
There's literally no reason to be an asshole here.

>>106260709
this anon is right. it's not safe. inserting your gay helper functions into headers that everyone ends up with isn't great. kid is a lamer and needs to sell his computer. now he an eternal meme on the linux mailing list. this kid's big google balls shrunk to tiny grains of sand by one e-mail.

>>106259069
You can tell someone his code his bad while still maintaining a respectful attitude. Why is this so hard to understand for some people?

>>106259069
You can tell someone his code is bad while still maintaining a respectful attitude. Why is this so hard to understand for some people?

>>106263131
>You can tell someone his code is bad while still maintaining a respectful attitude.
Yeah, but why the fuck would we do that, you retarded drongo? If someone wants respect, they should write things worthy of respect. Demanding respect without doing even small things to merit it, that's pure entitled shite.
Yes, the Californian tech industry mostly rolls that way, but that's a dysfunctional hellhole designed to turn talent into burnout and launder money from VCs into landlords' property portfolio values. (It used to be better than that, but the past 10 years has seen all the good parts turn to shit or worse.)

>>106244851 (OP)
>Should Linus be more polite to people
nope, if anything the feds should be involved and trying to merge shit code should be a good enough reason to be prosecuted.
swe have had it way too easy for too long, it's about fucking time we enforce some kind of responsibility.

What's up with the DEI HR rep. in this bred?
>you can tell someone they failed to follow simple directions (repeatedly) without being mean...

>>106252602
>Linus is also a volunteer you know.
He does it for free?

>>106244851 (OP)
no, that "helper" is absolute garbage that provides no indication of which is the high word, while a<<16+(b&0xffff) is idiomatic, shorter, and you know exactly what it does

>>106247285
>>106247310
You are posting to change MY view FAGGOT. And you are utterly failing. Show just 1 example of microshit code making it's way into a generic header. YOU CAN'T.

>>106253967
The Linux foundation banned "sanity-check" because they found it offensive. I think you can safely ignore anything they say.

>>106259365
Android is the most widespread OS on the planet

>>106265804
I was thinking of donating some money to Linux foundation, but they aren't passing sanity checks.

>>106264980
He probably gets residuals from the sponsorships/commercial relationships with vendors etc. - he'd be a mug not to.
But all of the work he [and basically everyone else] has done on the kernel has been unpaid.

>>106246600
Actually, its really important that you are blunt and honest with people. Both to make things very clear and to filter out incompetence. On top of that you filter out weak people who are either way too easily hurt to do important work, or who are incapable of being direct themselves. The American passive aggressive indirectness is awful awful awful for getting things done. Be direct.

>>106264766
Again, basic politeness is different from fake niceness.

>>106268684
You can be direct without being a cunt.

>>106268946
>>106268956
This kinda goes to my point - Linus is a cunt. He even fosters that.. 'image' for want of a better term.
It suits him and his style and as he's found over time - it more often than not gets him the result it requires. True it doesn't garner him much gudwill but he's not here to be begging for warm fuzzies from strangers (let alone colleagues).
But being insincere isn't his shtick and probably wouldn't have got him (& the kernel as a project) to where it is today.
I think most of what he writes is hilarious - not always professional but then his "industry" doesn't really have an hr dept and you can't really get fired.

Have we lost people who may have made a valid contribution because they were too fragile to handle dealing with Linus? Sure. But if they were that delicate they probably weren't meant to be there anyway - the path to getting shit done is littered with people who couldn't hack it.

>>106244851 (OP)
Compared to some of the game dev spergs, especially in the emulator scene, Linus is a gentle saint in comparison. At least he is semi professional.