Thread 106246369

I replaced my 14 year old 60 hz 1080p dell isp display with newest 380 hz asus isp display and it seems to be a downgrade in so many aspects.

>much worse colors, even after manually calibrating it with the old display next to it for reference, can't get it good.
>horrible black when compared to 14 year old isp
>full white and grey has noticeable yellowish areas on the screen, the white/grey uniformity actually hurts to look at and is distracting
>viewing angles are very bad, so bad that even straight on, edges get the isp fuckery, like when you look at it from an angle, the 14 year old display beats it easily
>the advertised 380 and 360 hz modes don't even work, screen will go nuts and flashes white bars randomly, so you have to run it 240 hz
>the "isp glow" out of the box is somehow worse than what the 14 year old display had acquired over the years and was the reason for getting a new display
>backlight bleed is crazy

The 240 hz upgrade is nice and the delay on the screen is much less (on average -35ms on reaction time). Gameplay is so smooth. Also much lower power consumption. But that is where the positives end.

Did they fuck isp quality on purpose to force you to buy oled? This fucking monitor is unusable outside gaming. If I wanted full gaming performance, I would have bought one of those 500 hz esports TN panels. I can't go back to a 60 hz panel now, but I can't stand to look at this display either.
Do I really have to double the budget and go for a oled monitor that I know for sure will not last even 5 years with my use? This seems fucked.

going above 120hz is a trap, manufacturers simply make too many compromises.
>the advertised 380 and 360 hz modes don't even work
they probably do "work" i mean they'll ghost to shit but your problem here is that you need a better cable. no the one that came with it is not good enough. went through some of these same pains with VG27UQ1A

OLED is affordable now. IPS is poverty tier.

>>106246399
Yeah I don't really think I need the jump from 240 to 360. It's really not the speed of the display that is an issue. It just rubs me the wrong way when even that can't be as good as promised.

>>106246403
No thanks. I like visible task bar and that will kill the display. Also not in the mood for random 8 minute long interruptions many times during the day when the monitor has to do some bullshit in order to not burn in as easily, but they still do.

I really thought that IPS (i'm tired so I called it ISP on the post like a retard, not a bait) tech would have matured and become better. Instead they just abandoned all the things that make IPS good for the faster response time. It's a TN panel now.

I would actually pay double for a decent IPS monitor that is 240 hz and will last me at least 10 years.

>>106246515
>random 8 minute long interruptions many times during the day
proof?

>>106246515
I had that ridiculous 42 inch LG Ultragear OLED until I put a wrench through the screen playing 2fort and it never burned in after years of static UI elements. It also only went into pixel refresh mode if it was already in power save mode because the PC was off. They are still way too much money though so I'd recommend you try out an ASUS ProArt display as they come in based aspect ratios, without le gamer refresh rate and VA tier colors

>>106246515
>faster response time
It's important though.
I can't fucking stand smearing.

>>106246369 (OP)
>gaymen monitor
RETARD

>>106246930
I don't think its possible to get a monitor that isn't either for gaming or a bottom-of-the-barrel ACER shitter that is DOA unless you want to spend a gazillion dollars on a "business monitor" that is same shitty consoomer panel just with a better OSD and stand. same shit as laptops, either an old enterprise lump, a gaymen laptop or chromebook giga hell. welcome to the future

You'd better not be using a cheap LCD.

Why does this thread reek of CRT (Circlejerk Retarded Technology)?

>>106247304
Looks like shit when I scroll.

>>106246369 (OP)
I did the same thing, I switched from Dell 1080p to Asus 1440p and there is very bad IPS glow.

>>106246369 (OP)
Should have bought a glossy 4k tv and not fallen for the high refresh rate scam

>>106247893
>tv
kek enjoy your seconds long input lag

>>106246369 (OP)
>isp
>isp glow
Ips you mongloid

>>106246369 (OP)
sarrrrrr i am calling from your isp pls turn your isp monitor on and off again saaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr

>>106248017
>sarrrrrr i am calling from your isp pls turn your isp monitor on and off again saaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr
Lmao bloody bitch bastard

>>106246369 (OP)
>Buys a shitty gamer monitor with bad colors
>its shit
Who would of guessed. monitors have color gamut and brightness ratings for a reason. You just looked for buzzwords and ignored half the specs. Coonsumers like you deserve losing your money to (((chinks)))

>>106248002
Not my problem I don't play counter strike

>>106246369 (OP)
>>106246403
Reminder

Gaming on modern monitors is a joke

>>106246369 (OP)
>i bought a cs2/valorant monitor which focuses entirely on performance and not image quality, and now I'm surprised the picture isn't good!

>>106246798
He's talking about pixel refreshes, which you don't need to do as often as the monitor tells you.
It basically just adjusts brightness of pixels to be more even.
You can get away with doing it when you're afk.

>>106249197
Modern monitors display frames differently
To actual human eyes both would look the same
Crts just have meaninglessly low persistence

>>106246369 (OP)
lol obviously
14 years ago IPS was the high end standard
IPS is low-mid end shit now
you really think you were going to get a good IPS panel? lol
high end market moved to OLED years ago
there's 0 QC on OLED and you aren't a valued customer with any decent warranty

>>106249751
Maybe you're restarted. Start dragging a window with text side to side. Note the speed at which it starts to blur. Now take a piece of paper and see how much faster you can move it and still track the text. That's pretty much CRT motion clarity. Ofc the frame rate might be low but each frame would still be crisp.

>>106246369 (OP)
it's a gamerslop monitor for esports kids playing brightly coloured shootan slop just tell us what youtuber or rtings you fell for so you can go be mad at them

>>106249183
Cope.

>>106246369 (OP)

is it 6-bit plus 2-bit dithering panel on asus and 8-bit color on dell?

>>106249751
>To actual human eyes both would look the same
Completely wrong. To human eyes it looks EXACTLY like it does in the video.
t. CRT in front of me

>>106249903
Yeah that looks like garbage bro

>>106249813
I know what crts look like
I'd rather take a 240hz oled than a shitty 60 Hz CRT
The motion looks good because you have more information
Persistence is completely irrelevant beyond saturating the refresh rate

>>106249977
Yeah, CRT motion is perfe-ACK

>>106250030
Beats modern displays

show me what valorant looks like on a crt

>>106250030
AURA

Op is having a bad time, and we need to help him.

Wich model of monitor you have and wich you recommend? I have an HP Omen 24' 165hz not the best but is ok.

which model you guys recommend?

>>106251343
OP has to decide what is most important and buy a monitor for that primary purpose

>>106251343
A .24mm Trinitron or better.

>>106246369 (OP)
Yeah i to bought a cheap factory overclocked to hell IPS monitor and had to run it at lower frequency to not have white flashing lines. And i don't get how an IPS monitors nowadays can have such a bad viewing angles. Viewing angles and color accuracy used to be the selling point of IPS panels. It seems like the whole technology has gone to shit like what they did to TN panels back in the day. I don't feel bad tho i paid less than 100€ for it and will only use it with my garage PC and got more that i paid for but they really should not be able to market them like they do right now. Everything about the IPS in 2025 is false advertising

>>106250030
>Cambridge study on eavesdropping on CRT users
>CRT impulse response is so fast, can just measure the light intensity variations from a window at high bandwidth with a photodiode, to reconstruct the displayed image

CRTs beat any strobed 480Hz OLED or 600Hz TN panel with DynAc2 (an emulation of the CRT raster scanning) in motion clarity.
Those trails only visible when moving small white shapes on completely black backgrounds.

CRT monitors use medium-short persistence phosphors (P22 family). The red phosphors' luminance decays nearly exponentially. Red decays to 1/3 its intensity in just 170 nanoseconds. The blue and green phosphors however decay in a more complicated manner. Still, blue phosphors decay to 1/3 intensity in just 100 nanoseconds. The green phosphor is slower, taking 1 microsecond to decay to 1/3 its initial intensity. There are no displays that come close to such insanely fast response times, and there won't be for a long time.

The faint phosphor trails are visible due to a long-tailed power law decay component of the blue and green phosphors' impulse response. Even after 10 milliseconds, the green and blue phosphors have only emitted 50% of their stored energy. This is the same reason why in a very dark room, after turning off a CRT, there will be a faint glow for several minutes.

>>106251666
>Those trails only visible when moving small white shapes on completely black backgrounds.
So constantly for everyone using dark mode UI.
Guess that's why it's a modern trend.

>>106246369 (OP)
You might be the best Chang we got in a while, Chang. It was a really subtle OLED ad. But you should kys too, nonetheless.
That website is not an advertisment platform.
kys.

>>106251911
>everyone's dark mode ui

Dark mode is usually grey or darker grey background, so the faint trails wouldn't be visible at all then. Not in the slightest.
I also do not ever see anyone moving around their UI/windows with completely white elements and full black backgrounds, ever? No operating system or popular application uses "OLED mode" or full black and white background UI.

If you are doing excel all day with your full black background, maybe it best to buy a 60Hz 5120x2880 IPS LCD.

>>106246369 (OP)
Modern Dell Ultrasharp ISP is still good, at least the 60Hz versions I've seen.
I suspect >>106246399 is right that pushing for high refresh rates compromised things, but the backlight is probably also far worse in a "gaming" monitor vs. a higher end "office" monitor to keep things affordable for the gaming market.

>>106252102
>I also do not ever see anyone moving around their UI/windows with completely white elements and full black backgrounds
Uhh, literally that video? Cursors are made to move around and contrast as much as possible against the background without smearing.
Also, CRT gammas tend to be rather high, so even dark gray is close to true black.

>>106252215
In such use cases, indeed the trails would be visible, but these trails are different to say, IPS motion blur. That is due to their slow response times.
In that video, the cursor remains with no motion blur, only leaving behind a faint trail due to the phosphor's long tail in their impulse response.

>CRT high gamma
CRT's naturally have a perfect 2.4 gamma response. This is ideal for dark environments. Some have an sRGB mode, which raises the black level and brings gamma up to 2.2 -- most CRT monitors had 0.03 nit black levels, and about 120nits max luminance. Some SuperBright CRTs could do 250nits at 20%-windows. Indeed though, as the emission layers on the electron gun's cathodes wear, gamma increases at lower video levels, leading to black crush. To wear the tube down to this point takes a good 20000-25000 power-on hours.

LG reported their WOLEDs had 15000 hour halflives (time till hall luminosity) at 300nits, and 50000hours at 100nits.

>>106252497
Might I add that CRTs are the only displays that exhibit perfect gamma tracking. All other technologies rely on either internal 2D LUTs (if high-end) or cheaper and simpler forms of gamma calibration that does the job, but is imperfect -- IPS, and especially TN, won't have good tracking at all, if they aren't calibrated properly in-factory, or after the fact by users, with LUTs.

OLED are actually difficult to calibrate gamma properly, due to their 0 nit black level. Their gamma increases a lot at low input video levels (under 5%), leading to black crush. Banding is more noticeable on OLEDs due to mistracking the mid-tones.