Thread 106259701

the only value proposition this has is that it's easier to repair than a mac. that's it. any decent windows laptop will have everything just as easy to replace. are there really /g/ users that need every part and screw spelled out to you like a baby? you really couldn't figure out what a SPEAKER is without it being labeled?

framework is cope for fags

>just use the third party china battery bro it'll be sweet
>just buy a whole ass laptop in three years for a cpu upgrade

>>106259900
you can't upgrade the cpu without upgrading the whole mainboard which is most of the cost of the framework laptop. also you are free to buy a genuine battery easily for a little more money if you want. you have choices unlike just buying the approved item from the framework store.

>>106259701 (OP)
>Just wing it bro
I work in PC repair and i've seen dozens of retards come in my shop who tried to replace things without knowing what they were looking at. So retards do need babysitting

The concept is good, and helps right to repair become more mainstream, but the build quality is trash. I have two of them from non-tech normie friends who both managed to break theirs in different ways while doing unnecessary upgrade (intel10th to 11th) that I now use for testing and dumb shit because they just bought another piss tier windows laptop and moved on, rather than use brain and figure out how to fix. Meanwhile my M1pro macbook is still running great, you just have to evade Apples attempted suicide by heat with third party fan control like TGpro.

>>106259701 (OP)
>any decent windows laptop will have everything just as easy to replace
...no it will not

>>106259944
for those people they should just get a mac with applecare that they can turn into the genius bar. framework is a bizarre middle ground for people who are somehow svy enough to want repairable things but not competent enough to just repair normal computers.

>>106259994
the only thing that would genuinely be easier to replace is the ports. every single other component can easily be purchased online with usually the tools included and then you just watch a youtube video on how to do it.

>>106260014
>the only thing that would genuinely be easier to replace is the ports.
as if that's not already a huge thing, you have any idea of how many laptops become ewaste just because the soldered power port has gone bad?
>can easily be purchased online
easily =/= cheaply
>and then you just watch a youtube video on how to do it.
and it takes 3 hours to do whatever you're trying to do or you fuck it up because it was made specifically to be as difficult as possible to repair, but sure the problem is that the end user has skill issues, keep cockriding the jews some more faggot.

>>106259701 (OP)
it's just tech midwits who want to play 3rd world wagie in assembling ikea furniture while thinking they are smart for doing so.

>>106259941
>also you are free to buy a genuine battery easily for a little more money if you want
Not always
Avaliabllity of parts is a cited reason why people get out of laptop repair.
They can't get even batteries, which is a part that is basically guaranteed to degrade and is a maintenance item.

OEMs are extremely bad at keeping consistent supply, an actual innovation of Framework is providing batteries on a consistent basis and not expensively either.

>>106259941
>most of the cost of the framework laptop
I've saved $1200 while also maxing out my RAM in comparison to if I would have gone with similarly spec'd laptops. also upgraded my screen so like $1500 without that.

you seem to be forgetting that all of the parts are still useful after you're done with them and can be resold, and the mainboards work without a battery and just a usb-c PD charger.

there's plenty of valid criticism to the concept but value is not it

>>106259956
framework didn't launch with 10th gen retard

>>106260216
you'd disagree if you had to actually manage an IT budget and deal with repairs from retarded employees. there's nothing worse than having 6 different models of differently spec'd latitudes and 4 different AC adapter types to manage

buy an ad

>>106259941
>you can't upgrade the cpu without upgrading the whole mainboard
how is this different from any other laptop

>>106260520
that's my point dude

>>106260572
you're arguing that the CPUs should be socketable though which hasn't been the case for more than a decade

other laptops don't get drop-in mainboard replacements you have to buy an entirely new laptop

>>106260599
just buy a 55wh

>>106260716
UH OH

>>106260599
>>106260740
>battery being temporarly out of stock is the same as a replacement not existing at all
retard

>>106260520
...that at least you can upgrade the whole motherboard with this one?
that's how it's different, retard.

>>106260740
there's a lot of demand for the 61wh
the 55s rarely go out of stock so i'd imagine it will be available again in a few days

why is /g/ anti-framework despite them being supportive of the linux community? no other laptop vendor lets you buy their product without having to buy a windows license besides apple

>>106260501
is framework even trying to chase after the enterprise market? i thought they were just chasing after techsloptuber influenced consumers

>>106261084
/g/ is a jeet board, thus coomsumerism + praise Apple + hatting on other jeets, specially if they accomplish something other than using the loo, like framework founder

>>106259701 (OP)
>the only value proposition this has is that it's easier to repair than a mac. that's it. any decent windows laptop will have everything just as easy to replace. are there really /g/ users that need every part and screw spelled out to you like a baby? you really couldn't figure out what a SPEAKER is without it being labeled?

>>106261084
/g/ is poor first and foremost.
The idea of a new laptop at all is pretty foreign.

I still use a 2013 MacBook Pro fully loaded with extra 1TB HDD and 1TB SSD, modified AX10 wifi Card and 16GB of RAM, running Linux Mint, LIKE A FUCKING BOSS!!! I browse 4chinz and Freetube. real comfy. no need for new gimmicks

>>106260857
>>106260920
that's cool where can i buy another battery for the framework laptop while they restock?

>>106261414
>>106260920
>>106260857
>>106260740
>>106260716
>>106260599

this absolutely kills the argument that frameworks are sustainable laptops. it's a shitty startup that will not stock anything. very cool that you have a laptop that you can only repair with parts they will stop stocking whenever they want.

>>106260501
>you'd disagree if you had to actually manage an IT budget and deal with repairs from retarded employees.
We just bill retarded employees for damaging company property. We have policies allowing for accidental damage once in a while. Shit happens after all, but if someone is routinely breaking things every other month, then they can damn well pay for it. It's legal to do direct paycheck deductions as long as it doesn't take them below minimum wage, and the only people that complain are the exact kind of dipshits you don't want in the company anyways.

>there's nothing worse than having 6 different models of differently spec'd latitudes and 4 different AC adapter types to manage
Why would you waste IT/admin time (and thus hundreds of dollars of their hours) fixing a laptop when you can buy replacements? A laptop with a decent processor, 8 gigs of RAM, and a 1080p screen costs next to nothing these days, and that's all 99% of employees are ever going to need. Ship the broken shit back to Lenovo/Dell/HP or whoever and let them deal with it if it's under warranty. Otherwise, buy a few spares, and rotate out devices every few years. That means everyone has a relatively up to date device, you only have a handful of device types/install images to manage, and you get rid of stuff long before random hardware failure starts to become a major issue.

If your company can't figure out that the IT overhead of managing a bunch of random legacy shitbox laptops is more expensive than buying basic replacements every 3-5 years, congrats, your company's management is incompetent.

>>106262755
To expand upon this. Even if replacing components is trivial for a skilled IT person, you have to factor in that said person is going to want a 6 figure salary. Swapping out entire computers for anything more advanced than swapping a battery/mouse/charger is something even a retard with a high school diploma can do, and said retard doesn't need to be paid 65 an hour to keep him from jumping to another company.

>>106261084
Framework is for people who don't value their time. They don't even facilitate actual component level repair. It's just swapping out motherboards and screens which, spoiler alert, you can already trivially do with Dell, Lenovo, and other large vendors if you're a large enough company to have a support contract.

The difference? Lenovo/Dell/HP/etc can deliver something to a random location in rural Arkansas by 9 AM the next day if you order it before 4PM. (OK, maybe not that fast for rural Arkansas, but anything vaguely close to a major city has sub 16 hour availability if you need it.) Framework laptops (besides having absolute fucking garbage build quality) don't have anything even vaguely resembling an enterprise support backend.

They're for techsloppers who want to jerk off about repairability instead of getting work done.

>no other laptop vendor lets you buy their product without having to buy a windows license
Categorically untrue. Sure, framework lets individuals buy barebones systems, but Dell, Lenovo, and crew let volume purchasers buy whatever they want. They'll even do weird stuff like sell you laptops that physically lack webcams or wifi modules for use in secure facilities. You can get absolutely retarded configurations like Celerons with discreet graphics cards if you want, and the prices aren't absurd either. You just have to buy a bunch of them.

>>106259701 (OP)
laptop and smartphone ruined society, we should go back to a world of desktop only.

>>106262755
>>106262964
kill yourself jay

>>106262964
>Framework is for people who don't value their time
yeah because it takes an entire fucking month to change anything...
you'll just watch one less episode of your favorite garbage show, do you think you can dedicate 20 minutes of your free time to not coomsuming hollowood trash?
>The difference? Lenovo/Dell/HP/etc can deliver something to a random location in rural Arkansas by 9 AM the next day if you order it before 4PM. (OK, maybe not that fast for rural Arkansas, but anything vaguely close to a major city has sub 16 hour availability if you need it.) Framework laptops (besides having absolute fucking garbage build quality) don't have anything even vaguely resembling an enterprise support backend.
are you seriously comparing billion-dollar companies with decades of presences with framework? lma fucking o
>You can get absolutely retarded configurations like Celerons with discreet graphics cards if you want, and the prices aren't absurd either. You just have to buy a bunch of them.
it's fine bro, just buy thousands of them bro, give them to your extended family or something bro

>>106263169
>are you seriously comparing billion-dollar companies with decades of presences with framework? lma fucking o

the "don't criticize them because they are startup!" is fucking retarded. they are not my friends. you are emotionally invested in something you have zero stake in take meds

>>106263214
criticize them where it makes sense
>what do you mean framework does not have 30% marketshare in 179 countries on the planet? framework is defitintely shiet wtf bro

>>106263214
you are emotionally invested in hating on a small company and shilling for apple for free on a dead technology board though

>>106263248
ok linus buy an ad

>>106263242
the entire argument earlier itt the thread is that framework is a stable supplier of parts for repair. this proves that's a lie

>>106260740
>>106260599

what is the point of buying a repairable laptop that i can't buy parts to repair with? it's also interesting that the parts that are out of stock are for earlier models, meaning they are not stocking older model parts like new ones aka you can only repair newer models aka WHAT'S THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT OF HAVING A REPAIRABLE LAPTOP??

>>106263287
it is growing that's for sure

>>106263283
>ok linus buy an ad

Real talk, swaglord is a /s4s/ fag that also mods /g/ and /tv/.
He's a massive ifag that blogged on /g/ about his macaook and got ΒTFO by /g/ [>>50602486] and got extremely butthurt, so he got rid of all /g/ mods except his ifag gay lover.
This is why /g/ gets flooded with apple advertising threads that are never deleted.
This is why /g/ gets flοοded with linυx / windows flamewar threads that are never deleted.

Watch him pop in the thread јυst to delete this post but never delete these shit threads because these threads are posted by swaglord himself since he's nοt even welcome on "his own board", meanwhile linυx / apple flamewar threads are deleted on sight because swaglord fears they would become apple hate threads.
He hates linυx and windows users but can'τ get rid of them seeing as they'гe 99% of the board and that makes him seethe uncontrollably, so he shits uρ the board with these falseflag threads every day.

>>106262069
>I can't buy it this week, therefore it will never be available again.
Be less retarded.

>>106263355
>let me make excuses for the company that's not paying me
lmao

>>106263169
>are you seriously comparing billion-dollar companies with decades of presences with framework?
Why not? All I care about is getting shit done on the go. That's the purpose of my laptops. One with decent build quality and 3ish day turnaround times to ship stuff off and get it fixed is well worth a modest price premium vs. waiting over a month for a replacement battery.

I tried a framework for the novelty. My kid broke the hinges by picking it up by the screen. I spent 2 weeks waiting for replacement parts. Then the usb ports started dropping out. I spend another month waiting for a replacement board. A year or so later and the battery started acting up. It wasn't in stock, and there was no way to reserve/preorder one for when it came back in stock. After a week or two I put on craigslist and sold it to some neckbeard who then bitched at me because apparently the USB ports died again a week later.

The battery life fucking sucked too.

Meanwhile when my wife sat on my Dell and destroyed the screen I had it fixed and back in my possession in 75ish hours. It also doesn't break if I grab it by the corner of the screen to move it. Frankly, I don't give a fuck if you're not supposed to do that. People do it, and any laptop that cant handle a moderate amount of abuse is not fit for purpose.

>it's fine bro, just buy thousands of them bro, give them to your extended family or something bro
My company lets employees buy laptops and phones through them at volume pricing + some admin overhead. Even if I didn't have that option I'd cheerfully pay a few hundred premium for quick and painless hardware repairs, which is an option at literally all of the major vendors.

Framework doesn't have that as an option. Therefore it's not for anyone who values their time. If you're a poorfag who's time isn't worth more than Pajeet wages, then sure, I can see the appeal. Anyone with actual income buying a framework for anything other than the novelty is delusional.

>>106261414
eBay has them.

>>106263717
>Trusting chinesium batteries.

>>106261414
>I can't stand using my laptop with a degraded battery for a week while I wait for a replacement to be available, having to throw the entire thing out and buying a new one is so much better
...like what even is your argument?

Real talk, swaglord is a /s4s/ fag that also mods /g/ and /tv/.
He's a massive ifag that blogged on /g/ about his macaook and got ΒTFO by /g/ [>>50602486 (Dead)] and got extremely butthurt, so he got rid of all /g/ mods except his ifag gay lover.
This is why /g/ gets flooded with apple advertising threads that are never deleted.
This is why /g/ gets flοοded with linυx / windows flamewar threads that are never deleted.

Watch him pop in the thread јυst to delete this post but never delete these shit threads because these threads are posted by swaglord himself since he's nοt even welcome on "his own board", meanwhile linυx / apple flamewar threads are deleted on sight because swaglord fears they would become apple hate threads.
He hates linυx and windows users but can'τ get rid of them seeing as they'гe 99% of the board and that makes him seethe uncontrollably, so he shits uρ the board with these falseflag threads every day.

>framework releases their desktop
>beelink releases comepetition that crushes it days later
framework is failing.

>>106263827
>I literally cannot imagine someone using their laptop without access to an outlet.

Real talk, swaglord is a /s4s/ fag that also mods /g/ and /tv/.
He's a massive ifag that blogged on /g/ about his macaook and got ΒTFO by /g/ [>>50602486] and got extremely butthurt, so he got rid of all /g/ mods except his ifag gay lover.
This is why /g/ gets flooded with apple advertising threads that are never deleted.
This is why /g/ gets flοοded with linυx / windows flamewar threads that are never deleted.

Watch him pop in the thread јυst to delete this post but never delete these shit threads because these threads are posted by swaglord himself since he's nοt even welcome on "his own board", meanwhile linυx / apple flamewar threads are deleted on sight because swaglord fears they would become apple hate threads.
He hates linυx and windows users but can'τ get rid of them seeing as they'гe 99% of the board and that makes him seethe uncontrollably, so he shits uρ the board with these falseflag threads every day.

Jay Louis Irwen
Age: 37
97 Norman Ave.
Βroοklyn, NY 11222

Watch him pop in the thread јυst to delete this post but never delete these shit threads because these threads are posted by swaglord himself since he's nοt even welcome on "his own board", meanwhile linυx / apple flamewar threads are deleted on sight because swaglord fears they would become apple hate threads.
He hates linυx and windows users but can'τ get rid of them seeing as they'гe 99% of the board and that makes him seethe uncontrollably, so he shits uρ the board with these falseflag threads every day.

>>106263670
why did you even go with framework in the first place if you knew the after-sale support wasn't up to task?
the company is obviosuly new and small, the fuck did you expect from them?
I don't buy laptop, ever, if I'm forced to use one at work I'd rather change job. even I knew about this shit, it's pretty obvious if you take 5 nanoseconds to browser their website and see that they sell computers by batches, it's a dead giveaway that production isn't following demand and that parts will be hard to replace.
thre is not much they can do to grow but sell computers.
I also see that you had no luck with hrdware dying on you repeatedly, I know someone with a first-gen framework and everything is still going strong to this day, shit happens I guess.

>>106263377
Retarded trade wars are what they are. Even good intentions are stumped by Trump.

holy fucking shit what kinda schizophrenics does jaynigger employ to spam in these threads

>>106259701 (OP)
The only reason I'm considering one is there are few options for two in one laptops these days.

>>106264137
hate to break it to ya buddy, but hes the only one insane enough to spam this shit lol

>>106264137
who is jay?

>>106263169
>are you seriously comparing billion-dollar companies with decades of presences with framework?
I'm not a babysitter.

>>106263990
...for a single fucking week
you literally just keep moving the goalpost
if your laptop being able to work reliably without access to an outlet is so vitally important to you, you either:
a. have a secondary emergency one to use in case whatever happens to your main
b. already ordered a new battery as soon as the current one showed the slightest hint of degradation (because battery don't just suddenly stop working you know)
you still haven't explained us how having 0 access to a replacement battery is superior to only having access to a replacement battery half the time, asshole.

>>106260111
>you have any idea of how many laptops become ewaste just because the soldered power port has gone bad
Nta.
Sounds like a third party technician skill issue to me

>>106264368
or i could just immediately buy a replacement battery for any other laptop that isn't a kickstarter meme. imagine telling a serious business user to just "wait a week" lmao

>>106260501
Being born in the wrong country makes these FW laptops unviable. They on par or pricier than local gaming laptops. I've also seen cases of successful reballs or upgrades of dpgu. Ironically way more practical than having zero local support then proceeding to pay $100+ to ship it back to the US.

>>106263717
>just wait a month to fix your easy to repair pc bro

>>106262964
>if you're a large enough company to have a support contract.
>You just have to buy a bunch of them.
What does this have to do with ME?

>>106260111
>how many laptops become ewaste just because the soldered power port has gone bad?
literally just solder it back on

and what about when the port to your usbc power port Framework Module(tm) goes bad?

>>106260216
it's 100% this, literally just "pc building" larp for people who think desktops are scawwy

>>106264094
As I said, I tried one for the novelty. I wanted to see how well it did. I was expecting some problems, as is the case for a lot of new companies. I wasn't expecting the build quality to be worse than a sub 300 dollar chrome book. At the end of the day they marketed a product as easily user serviceable, and then failed to provide parts in a reasonable time frame.

>>106264368
I'm not the one going off the deep end about batteries, but a solid portion of the beefier business laptops have external battery packs that let you hot swap the battery in 5 seconds. Internal batteries are rather stupid on laptops that aren't going for ultra thin/light designs, and I'd argue make them significantly less suitable for business. Batteries are easily the number one failure point now that everything is SSDs outside of datacenters and data hoarders. My company keeps a bunch of them in stock because it's a sub 5 minute job on the models we use, but I've genuinely never heard of someone keeping spare internal batteries around for a personal (not company owned) laptop. I used to keep a bunch of external packs for my Lenovo in a case in the car, but that was back in the days when pagers were still a thing and your wifi had a physical switch because turning it on cut your 3 hour battery life by 20+%.

In my case the battery on the framework went from ~70% capacity to a shorted cell meaning a completely dead pack overnight. That's not enough to order a replacement for a part that no normie is going to have spares of, and 70% is well before I'd consider buying a replacement. Hell, many people probably won't even notice that it's degraded at that point.

>>106264599
desktop assembling is also putting ikea furniture together tier. Many mexicans and chinese wagies do these for 14 hours a day.
>buh buh my bespoke gaymin configuration with arr ghey bee! i need to be a computer engineer like mudasaar to configure one!
cope

>>106264757
yes, it is, which is why i do not take "pc builders" seriously either
>OOHHH I DROPPED LE BIG FIGGIES ON LE 6090 + I PUT IT IN THE SLOT, THAT MAKES ME LE ENGINEER !!!!
>still manages to burn his house down

framework shills are just especially bad because it's still all overpriced non-repairable proprietary parts, except now you dont have to go on digikey for a ZIF ribbon once in a while

>>106264212
a mod that some anon has beef with. back when /g/ had flamewars and brandwars and os-wars it was more relevant.

they haven't realized they're old and washed, /g/ isn't for dumb things like technology anymore, except when talking about which gpu inference setup to build for AI gooning. /g/ only exists for ai gooning, whether that's imagegen or text roleplay or deepfakes.

even this very thread is an empty shell, nobody actually cares about laptop brands, they just want to believe there's still more to this board than anime porn generation.

damn framework shills really quiet now lol

>>106260501
>I bought a shit laptop and spent extra money upgrading the parts, checkmate atheists
Imagine thinking that's a selling point kek
>all of the parts are still useful after you're done with them and can be resold
You mean like, every other laptop? Wow so innovative.
>mainboards work without a battery and just a usb-c PD charger
This is why /g/ hates framefags. You act like this is some novel invention when people have been bypassing batteries for decades without hand holding.
You get a laptop with minor QOL features and start thinking you're le uber hackerman because you're given a babyproofed motherboard and a screwdriver.

I'm stuck because I really don't know what would be a better alternative to framework. I don't think there is any laptop sold these says with replaceable ram and storage, and for a lot of laptops, replacement parts for keyboard/battery will run dry when it'd be time to need it.
However, framework is still a startup. They could easily go out of business next year making the entire concept pointless. The build quality of their products also seems pathetic for the price.

>>106265768
it's quittin' time in india

>>106266089
literally any business-class chinkbook.
>replaceable ram and storage,
i know you're among the throngs of EBIN COMPUTER SCIENTICIANS who can't tell the difference between a molex connector and an electrical socket, but if you buy one(1) phillips head screwdriver you can take apart pretty much any thinkpad/elitebook/latitude/etc laptop trivially and even if you don't own a screwdriver it's all plastic so you're free to simply pry it apart like an animal.

>>106266089
>don't think there is any laptop sold these says with replaceable ram and storage

there's lots you just have to look for them. my x1 thinkpad has both and i've replaced the battery and cmos on it easy too. the back cover even has those screws that don't fall out so it's easy to open up and work with.

>>106259701 (OP)
>any decent windows laptop will have everything just as easy to replace.
Spoken like someone that has NEVER opened a Laptop.

>Break your hinges because the fucking bottom of the case is tab/slotted and won't unlock even with a spudger
vs
>Slide two locks and remove modules to reach mobo and other stuff (Torx5 maximum to get fully into case)

>>106260705
See: >>106260572

I figured it out. Framework(TM) laptops are for macfags whose first screwdriver set was bought off LTT

>>106263868
I don't even get why they're doing the Desktop. The 12", I totally get (competition for Chromebooks, which get HEAVILY abused, let me tell you). But a Desktop? REALLY? Who the fuck wouldn't build an ITX case themselves at that point?

I'm more upset they still haven't acknowledged the 16's core thermal issues a year into it. Even asking support has them "durr whats dat?" help-line response when the fucking forum they've made has it documented and people attempting to fix it themselves.

Fuck Linus and fuck Patel.

>>106266771
>competition for Chromebooks, which get HEAVILY abused,
yes, by high school students.

is the target market for framework linus tech laptops high schoolers? is he a lolicon?

>>106266749
>>106266749
lmao you don't even know how to open a fucking case without breaking it? you just pull it apart till it snaps like an ape? that's pathetic. just watch a tutorial dude

>>106261084
>no other laptop vendor
System76?

And even then you can just... install Linux? There's no need to give a shit about the OEM license that is burned into the motherboard if you're not planning to use said OEM license?

>>106259701 (OP)
why would i want to do jeet work like repairing electronics?

>>106259701 (OP)
>any decent windows laptop will have everything just as easy to replace.
There are no batteries on sale for 50% of new Windows laptops, and the other 50% will have an original battery available only 3-5 years after the start of sales.
I've got two Dell and two HP laptops, perfectly functioning, just with no battery.
How are you going to replace the battery without it being manufactured?

>>106259701 (OP)
>WTF anon is using a poorfag laptop from 2013
OP doesn't know you can use motherboards from later years when they share a common design. Infinite lifetime rlly