Thread 106264152

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 14400F budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards. Issues still reported & latest BIOS doesn't protect new CPUs.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.
ASUS WOLED with TrueBlack Glossy film launched (XG32UCWMG, XG32UCWG). Limited availability.

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>>106264191
point me to a current oled model with up to date firmware that does that?

>buy one of these off ebay for $120
>holds a pcie card
>came with a 10G NIC
>hook it up with the PC on
>windows recognizes the PCIe card immediately
>connect secondary display to it's 2nd type c port
>it just works touch and all
To hot plug arbitrary PCIe cards seems like fucking magic
Saves me from using a slot in the PC for something that actually needs a gen 5 slot

>>106264299
When you order something, hook it up, and it just werks it really is like magic.

>>106264383
I was under the impression thunderbolt was still buggy in windows, needing drivers, needing to give the shit permission to even connect or needing a reboot for things to be recognized.

apparently that's not the case anymore

5080 Super bros......our ascension towards the new best price to performance card owner is near.

>>106264574
It'll cost as much as 5090s do now

>>106264299
I kind of want one now that I have two USB4 ports on my desktop. No idea what I'd use it for.

>>106264574
Mogged by 5070 ti

>>106264574
5070 and 5070ti will still be better value cards?

>>106264665
Mogged by 5070 Super

>>106264665
>>106264731
NVIDIA will just spec a 6070 Ti that's significantly worse than the 6080 if they can get away with it.

>>106264574
what is even the point, it still won't be good enough for 4k ultra path tracing.

>>106264822
It will be the card of choice for half-peasant AIfags

>>106264664
If your actually hurting for PCIe slots, USB4 can be used, but all the enclosures are way too expensive.
If they were alot cheaper I wouldn't complain about not having many PCIe slots on modern boards.

>>106264822
>path tracing.
Path tracing just creates a need for AI-trained upscaling and (multi) frame generation, the parts of the GPU that NVIDIA wants to focus on.
It's not a practical setting until gaming consoles are powerful enough to use it.

soon brothers

>>106264898
>5070 Super same price as the 5070 I bought 1 week before these leaks first popped up
haha. but that doesn't seem likely.

>>106264225
Not him but oled-firmware-schizo here
ton of monitors have the 4 hour pixel reminder that can pushed up and changed in most osds to 16 hour before the mandatory refresh hits right, msi put out a firmware that pushes it up to 24 h before a mandatory one is forced
I have not tested and nobody has actually confirmed if the monitors that allegedly don't have this can be run for 16h+ straight without any forced restart

you might not think this is a problem, this seems fine no? wrong. the problem is that these "counters" don't work correctly and are sometimes buggy and don't reset. which means they might not trigger a refresh at correct shut down or might not reset to 0h, which means you might start your screen and some how the counter is at say 15h now you use your screen 30min before the fucking refresh hits
this is absolutely deal breaking cancerous shit, I cannot understate how bad this is, this has destroyed tons of budget monitors
it has been my quest since being a victim of this to shit post about this or find a monitor that does not behave like this, since most tvs don't behave like this, phones don't behave like this, laptops don't behave like this, I don't think any other oled device behaves like this

pic relate, msi even pats themselves on the back that they "solve" or make less cancerous a thing they introduced.
people claim this is a mandatory push from samsung (panel makers) or lg or some shit, it's clearly not, maybe it's a recommendation? maybe. but the 16h forced refresh is clearly not some forced shit. if they can push it 24h they can push it to 0 and never force pixel refreshs. the only point they keep this in is a last stand safe guard for retards that never shut their monitor down and cut down on RMAs for the 3 year burn in warranty. It's still shit and anti consumer, however.

I got oled fatigue, If I test Asus' monitors later and they behave like this I might just give up, or just suck the cock and cope with this bullshit.

>>106264898
That much VRAM may be enough to bruteforce UE5, but what if they release UE6?

Where are the PLC SSDs? I was told we'd have super cheap large storage SSDs years ago.

>>106265270
I dunno why you want one time use nand
its not like qlc was ever that much cheaper than tlc

will i be able to run an m-die 6800cl32 kit at 6000cl30? 6000cl30 are all out of stock or too expensive here

>>106265369
Yes, set looser primary timings like 30-40-40 @ 1.35 or 1.4V.

>>106265041
>pixel reminder
wtf is this?

>>106265363
I was told PLC SSDs would be cheaper than HDDs. I just was storage that's not hot, doesn't make noise, and uses very little power.

>>106265398
nice

>>106265409
https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshoot/TSG10003240/

>>106265412
>I was told
by retards

>>106265424
>When the Pixel Refresh starts, the power will be turned off for more than an hour.
hell nah miss me with that shit

>>106265369
6800 with a CL of 32 would translate to 6000 with CL 28.23

>>106265445
the pixel refresh will only run when you choose to, at least on Samsung monitors
otherwise it does it all while turned off, invisible to the user

>>106265465
very nice
funny how they're a decent bit cheaper

>gpu finally burns
nobody talks about it anymore
you're too late for the views lmao

>>106265041
had my Samsung G81SF for a few months now and I’ve never once had any sort of interruption to normal use for pixel refresh

>>106265477
>had to hit it with 2x the connectors rated limit over and over for hours to melt it
8 pin PCIe would melt under the same circumstances
NVIDIA BAD though

>>106264152 (OP)
>budget SNEED5000 or SNEED7100
really, DRAMless?

are there any gpus with s-video outputs that'd be compatible with modern systems? like any pcie video device should theoretically work...right?

any reasons to not take a 140 peerless assassin over the 120 one?

>>106265821
Case clearance.

>>106265827
seems like it fits most of the normal cases?

>>106265409
I mean the pixel refresh reminder, which if you have turned on will remind you to run a pixel refresh every 4 hour cycle, which can be postponed up to 16hour until it will forcibly run

>>106265445
normal pixel refreshes are like 6minutes

>>106265483
LG and Samsung monitors are one of the few that allegedly don't have fucked implementations from what I have heard
you only would know if you ran the monitor on for 16 hours straight though
most claim certain monitors don't have this behavior like Gigabyte but then they never ran the monitor for that actual time and it turned out they still have the same shit

people say the coating is even worse on the g81 compared to g80 too, did you peel it off? lol anyway

>>106265915
I didn't peel the matte coating off, I don't even notice it

>>106264898
Add 40 percent to those prices and I might believe.

>>106265477
Jay is a retard.

>>106266002
he was literally running the card at 2x what the connector is rated for

>>106266002
who's the target audience?

Recommendations for a cheap shit NAS build? In any other situation I'd just get a surplus Dell off ebay but none of those have more than 1-2 drive slots, even the biggest towers. Low power preferred, but not a RasPi situation where the CPU is slower than the disks.

>>106266061
I don't know but he comes off very uniformed quite often. People watch his channel to see him stick his fingers in fans and act like a retard.

Building my first ever server. Are these two items functionally the same? Do RAM manufacturers lock memory to certain vendors and models?

>>106265612
Yes, DRAMless for budget & midrange PCs.
SN7100 has the same TBW endurance rating (1200 TB for 2TB) as the SN850X, 900 TB for a 2TB SN5000.
Performance difference only matters for power users.

https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/internal-drives/wd-black-ssd/data-sheet-wd-black-sn850x-nvme-ssd.pdf
https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/internal-drives/wd-black-ssd/data-sheet-wd-black-sn7100-nvme-ssd.pdf
https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/internal-drives/wd-blue-nvme-ssd/data-sheet-wd-blue-sn5000-nvme-ssd.pdf

>>106266085
It'll work.

>>106265497
>had to hit it with 2x the connectors rated limit over and over for hours to melt it
Nvidiagood

really love the look of the original Frost Spirit 140 version, would it be retarded to get it as opposed by more efficient ones like phantom spirit etc? supposedly it's 4 fat heatpipes are not as good

>>106265853
Well of course. It's only a problem if it is a problem. Always research and compare measurements of parts when buying them, shouldn't need to be mentioned. The only thing I can think of is the weight but that really shouldn't be an issue over a 120 dual tower. Maybe if someone ever makes some silly thin motherboard.

>>106265477
but why did his GND pin melt? 99 out of 100 times its the 12v pin that melts

>>106264152 (OP)
does Doom run on a MW?

should i waitfag for a $600+ 11800x3d or get a cheap 9800x3d bwos

>>106266376
Grab the Frost Commander 140 instead which is basically the same cooler as the Frost Spirit with an extra heatpipe added & slightly stronger fans:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P35NQXS
https://www.thermalright.com/product/frost-commander-140/
https://www.thermalright.com/product/frost-spirit-140/
I think there may be more Thermalright coolers in the wild than exists pokemon at this point.

>>106266376
if you are only using <125w tdp cpu it doesn't really matter much
case and ram clearance would be a bigger concern

>>106266452
nyo don't like the looks of this one plus it's nearly 50% more expensive here
it looks like they're all within 2-3 degrees anyway so who cares i guess

>>106266446
X3D chips have been uncontested for a while, and AMD's not in a rush to release the new generation CPUs.

>>106266446
The latter
It's so far ahead of the last gen at the same product level (7800x3d) that currently it is #1 by such a distance that it will be very hard to top it practically speaking.
But you're really going to say next that you have a 7800x3d right now, won't you?

>>106266446
>should i waitfag for a $600+ 11800x3d or get a cheap 9800x3d bwos
What's your current setup? 9 times out of 10 if someone has to ask if they need to upgrade they really don't need to atm and should wait. The next big X3D chip will double the CCD count to at least 12 cores from 8 as well as redesign the IOD which should help with latency. Also they may up core clocks to near 7Ghz with the node jump so it'll likely be a bigger performance increase than usual or at least was the case from the 7800X3D to 9800X3D because vanilla Zen 5% was a waste of everyone's time.
https://overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd-7-ghz-zen-6-clock-speed-target-confirmed-leaker-claims/
The 7Ghz bit should be taken with a grain of salt since it comes from gigantic faggot MLID however.

>>106266560
>as well as redesign the IOD which should help with latency
Rumors say zen 6 will have 2 IO dies so I'm hoping that means we can run 4 dimms at full speed, probably like 8000mhz as the sweet spot for next gen.

>>106266592
>Rumors say zen 6 will have 2 IO dies so I'm hoping that means we can run 4 dimms at full speed, probably like 8000mhz as the sweet spot for next gen.
Thank god it's still gonna be on the cheap/available AM5 socket. When Zen 7 likely premieres on AM6 w/forced DDR6 memory it's gonna be a trash fire of unsellable chips like the Ryzen 7000 series was that similarly forced everyone to use what was then slow and expensive DDR5 memory vs. the alternative Ryzen 5000 and Alder Lake processors.
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5000-cpus-continue-to-dominate-5800x3d-outsell-all-ryzen-7000-cpus-in-germany/
https://www.gamesradar.com/amd-ryzen-5000-series-cpus-are-back-but-why/

>5060ti 16gb almost $300 more than 9060xt 16gb
Holy shit FUCK living in Australia what a cunt of a life

>>106265477
Techtubers need to fuck off forever

>>106266643
Holy fuck you are an actual dumb cunt please stfu forever

>>106266515
>>106266560
i’ve been itching to get something better (still running a 5600x) and i already have RAM, only issue is that i’m still deliberating on whether or not to commit on spending now or waiting later for a major architecture shift

>>106266850
I'd wait and see what kind of deals the 7800X3D & 9800X3D have on Black Friday (or browse Ebay for used chips). If you see a really good buy then fine, if not wait for Zen 6. It's already dropped $50 in just the last month:
https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B0DKFMSMYK?context=search&tp=3m
Also look out for the 9600X3D to be released in the next few month as six strong cores with VCache for a substantial discount would be more enticing for a gaming CPU.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-leaks-new-entry-level-ryzen-5-9600x3d-cpu-new-gaming-optimized-3d-v-cache-chip-expected-before-the-end-of-the-year

>just 1 year away from both incel and ayymd releasing 2N-fabbed cpus
AAAAAYYYYYY—
>stuck with ddr5 ram
-_-
Is 4 sticks of ram also a problem on incel or is it only an amd special? I want 256gb ram at decent speed

Might as well ask here too:

I bought a 96gb SODIMM Crucial RAM kit (CT48G56C46S5) for a laptop, and I've read those or even just 64gb kits can have overheating issues in laptops, so I'm wanting to verify the temps

I've tried to use HWINFO, CPUID's Hardwaremonitor, and AIDA64, and OCCT's benchmarking tools to view it's temps, and even memtest86, but unless i'm missing something (and to be clear, I very well may be, I'm stupid and ignornant) I can't seem to get any of them to display memory temps (Hardwaremonitor didn't display any memory info at all)

Clearly Crucial's 96gb and 64gb kits CAN read out their temps, because the posts I have read about their heating issues includes specific temperatures and people benchmarking and reading them out with Aida64 and HWinfo, so I'm not sure what's going on here, unless A: the specific CL timing variant I have just doesn't support it or B: the ability of those software to read the temps depends on what the laptop's bios supports, and mine happens to not support it.

Anybody have any advice?

If it's not possible to get a temp readout with this, will I likely be unable to with say a gskill kit either? If I decide to just wing it and continue to use the kit and it does turn out it's running at like 110c under load or some shit like I see some people say theirs does, does that have the potential to damage other components or the memory slots too, in addition to the RAM itself, or can I just run the RAM into the ground until it breaks and replace it with a new set if I'm fine spending the money doing that?

>>106266997
You should be thankful every time there's a new generation of RAM it's always slower and more expensive than the previous standard for at least a year.

>>106267009
Thankful for what? I have no use for 128gb fast ram or 256gb slow ram, I need 256gb fast ram

Is it worth going from a 3080 10GB to a 9070 XT?

>>106264898
>buying the same gpu but with some extra ram you won’t use anyway
>vs waiting a year for a significant improvement in both perf and efficiency
people buying now are tarded tbqh

7800x3d any good or is it too close to the 9800 in price?

>>106265412
AI niggers are buying 120TB / 250TB ssds by the truckload. Do you expect to compete with them on price or volume? If not - cool, you’re getting scraps

>>106266908
i don’t doubt that the 9600x3d would be great, but if i’m gonna commit to hopping into a newer generation, i might as well get more cores while i’m at it. it’ll definitely help in a few of my edge usecases, especially in gaming performance. at least i have the ability to turn my current processor into a homelab later down the line
>>106267044
it’s like ~$90 cheaper on amazon i believe

>>106267044
hodl with whatever garbage you have then splurge on 10800x3d for big gains
>me stooped me buy nao
only get 7800 with big discount

Is there a realistic upgrade for am5 over the 9800x3d in the future or is it gonna be the best till am6?

>>106267077
The 10800x3d is rumored to be a monster.

>>106266997
It's a fundamental issue of signal propagation and while not technically /as/ bad on Intel you still don't want to run 2DPC. It'll be worse on DDR6 unless they switch to a different hardware format like CAMM. If memory bandwidth is that important to your work you should consider Threadripper/Xeon for quad channel.

>>106267076
>>106267119
>NOOO JUST W8
>one year later
>NOOO JUST W8
>one year later
>NOOO JUST W8
>one year later
>NOOO JUST W8
stop

>>106267134
I really do hope it goes to CAMM because I'm bored and want to see what they will do with that flat profile.

>>106267153
Agreed. It's impressive that they've managed to get simple contact-fit DIMMs up to 8GT/s but there's really not much point to them if everybody is forced to run 1DPC to hit "normal" speeds.

>>106267137
next year CPUs get yuge gains from N2, which is the Good Shit node. 2027 is the year for big gains in GPUs due to the same
like you can buy now if you truly need to, but you will get something that's significantly inferior for what will be available soon(tm)

>>106267153
I HATE the flat profile. M.2 slots are already eating up valuable PCB space on mobos, do you really want vertical mount memory further eating away at what spare area remains?

>>106267176
And then you find out it's actually not that impressive and prices explode again. Woops!

>>106267134
pcie 7 x16 gets 512 GB/s bi-directionally, why the fuck can't ramfags figure it out?

>>106267193
>And then you find out it's actually not that impressive
do you think TSMC lies about it for some reason? and everybody and their mother that orders chips at TSMC fell for it?
>and prices explode again
yea that one's fair, the node is a bit more expensive and while it doesn't mean much for cpus since they're smol both amd and intel will certainly raise prices because lol why not

>>106267198
pcie has 10 times the latency

>>106267187
Back connect becomes mandatory in that there are connection ports directly opposite each other in order to maximize available space. Boards get thicker in order to accommodate the new overlapping connections.

>>106267198
Bandwidth isn't the issue here. It's signal integrity when said signal needs to propagate across two connectors (at much lower latency than PCIe FWIW).

>>106267187
PCB space really isn't all that valuable on ATX boards especially for less latency-sensitive devices like SSDs. Plus, a CAMM2 board is smaller than 4 DIMM slots. Yes I get that you lose drop-in capacity upgrades but those were functionally gone when DDR5 launched. It's bad, for sure, but at least you get /something/ in the trade.

>>106264152 (OP)
Do we have anything against Thermalright Royal Pretor 130?
It's not very expensive. What am I overlooking or missing?

>>106264200
>you can buy 3200 14-14-14 1.35 V on ebay for like $40
>and run it at 4000 16-16-16 1.45-1.5 V
Examples?
>>106264245
>cap
It was flatron samsung and its mesh came off a bit from my gaming rage over the years, discoloring one corner.

>>106267340
It's just not much different than any of the Peerless Assassin or Phantom Spirit variants on Intel chips, and is actually a bit worse at lower dBs for AM5 CPUs.
If it's cheaper than either of those coolers where you are then cool, if not there's little point (probably why we haven't seen the Royal Preytor Ultra released either).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-8PZKcMYg

What's the cheapest setup I can build around a 5090 where the other components won't bottleneck?

>>106267405
>where the other components won't bottleneck?
difficult to say what you use it for, you dumb tranime girl
atm probably incel 265k

>>106267405
9800x3d + b850M + 32GB 6000 cl30

>>106267405
depends on the resolution
personally I wouldn't go lower than like a 7800x3d

>>106267405
What >>106267410 said.
At 1080p/E-Sports, nothing lower than a 7800X3D for the 1% Low Minimums.
At 1440P/4K/Single Player, you can get away with a Zen 4 or 12th Gen i5-based system (DDR4 and all) EZ because of how GPU bound you will always be.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/21.html

I heard wizards can see the future. Is the extended DDR4 production going to cause ram prices to come back down? It's all 2x what it was before the panic set in.

>>106267405
Something like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7wNHMC
Could maybe get it down another $200 (7800X3D, cheaper SSD/PSU/case) but saving $200 on a $4k PC is pretty dumb. In fact, if your butler would so much as raise an eyebrow at the purchase you can't really afford any of it.

>>106267452
This looks interesting. I'll be using it for 4k gaming. I also need a new monitor so seems like I'll hit the 5k$ anyways

>>106267442
>9800x3d
>"cheapest setup"
amd is good performance (esp if you care about power draw) but they're pretty far from cheapest nowadays
265k is like 60% of the price and according to your own chart is a staggering 1.5 fps less on on 1% lows than stock 9800x3d
>but socket
are you really going to upgrade to halo am5 cpu in a year when you already got 9800x3d?

sad to see amd sissies being as retarded as intel sissies before ryzen 5

>>106267480
Sure. Hell you could drop the CPU down more than one notch if you're targeting 4k AAA max settings but my point remains.
To that point, here's something closer to what I'd actually build if $5k was a rounding error on my checking account: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fvgcnp

>JEDEC’s LPDDR6 target for CAMM2 is 14.4 GT/s is per pin
>this gives you ~230 GB/s theoretical total bandwidth
>and this is "still in design phase" unobtainium
>my basic bitch macbook m4 has 273 GB/s unified memory
idgi

>ddr6, camm2
>N2 cpus
>N2 gpus
>mobos with ports that aren't 5 GB/s trash and which don't cost $750
2027 will be one hell of a year to consoom, hopefully it'll all come out before china does a funny

>>106267480
If that's a lot of money for you consider that if you are planning to game @ 4K by >>106267442 that the 9800X3D, the "best" gaming CPU right now, selling for $450 only gives 6 more FPS minimum than the 5-year old 12600K/KF for $145.

>>106267483
Please re-read my post, I was making the point that the X3D chips help with you are targeting very high FPS @ 1080p where the end user is more CPU bound, but at 1440p or higher everything beside the GPU becomes exponentially less important. The exception to this if >>106267405 likes to play MMORPGs or RTS games that chew through CPU cycles.

I just think it's funny that AI sloppa consumes all GPU and storage production capacity and gaymers are left with nothing but high prices and their limp dicks in their hands

>>106267532
It's the bus width. CAMM2 = 128b, M4 Pro = 256b. Getting comparable bandwidth with half the bus is a significant achievement.

>>106267532
Yet you have 16GB of ram or you paid $4000.
Macs are great if someone else pays for it

>>106267583
???
baseline is 24gb ram and it's nowhere close to $4k
and that's for a laptop, not a desktop

>>106267596
The base 14" Pro is 16GB
SKU: MW2W3ZE/A EAN: 195949705960

And are you really that retarded, you should know what "OR" means

>>106267627
>paid $1600 for 24gb ram device
>noooo you have 16gb ram or you spent $4k
I don't even

>>106267532
Your "unified" memory is soldered on while camm will be something you can replace, you can get that speed or higher if you're willing to deal with ram being soldered on to the motherboard and never being able to upgrade to higher capacity.

>>106267649
Yes obviously having the chips soldered sucks, I just don't understand why something still in a design phase is already slower than what's available today
some anon said it's because of bus width, which okay I guess everybody tries to squeeze out every last cent wherever they can

>>106267376
Thanks.
I was looking earlier for some decent tests and benchmarks but struggled to find

>basic mobo is like $150
>mobo with a bunch of extra ports is suddenly $400+
nigga fuck you

>>106266999
interesting question but i don't know enough to answer, sorry anon

>>106267532
if your mac had 14.4GT/s memory, it would have a bandwidth of 460.8GB/s and not just 273GB/s

>>106267664
your comparing different numbers. their implying 14.4GT/s per pin on a 128bit bus while your mac uses slower 8.5GT/s memory on a 256bit bus

What's a futureproof mobo for a retard that doesn't care about its features? I just want it to work and not cuck my 5070 ti / 9800x3d

>>106264574
Have fun with your 450W crime against god.

>>106264383
Is this Christian magic?

>>106267760
x870e tomahawk or x870e edge ti

>>106267760
as of right now even budget trash is pretty much equivalent to $500+ Good Shit ones. There's no real difference between pcie4 and pcie5 for both gpu and ssd, you don't really need super-fast ports, there's no performance downgrade for your cpu if you run a shitty b650 vs high-end x870e
the only time mobo matters is if you want moar fast usb ports or double gpu

>>106267760
ASUS TUF B850 PLUS

>>106266999
>the ability of those software to read the temps depends on what the laptop's bios supports
This is it. If an up-to-date install of HWinfo64 doesn't support it it's probably a deeper issue (or they haven't gotten around to adding the feature).

>does that have the potential to damage other components or the memory slots too
Unlikely. Maybe accelerate wear if there's a capacitor or something /right/ next to the chips. Since it needs to be user-accessible this is also unlikely but you can check that yourself.

>Anybody have any advice?
You can measure the temperature yourself with a probe/FLIR if you have one.

110C is really high btw. If I saw that I'd think "measurement error" first especially on a 1.1V JEDEC kit. It's high enough to where I'd expect it to be spitting errors on a Memtest run but I don't know enough about Micron's ICs to give a definitive answer.

Anyone have a good retailer for liquid cooling stuff? Looking at a few sites in the US but I'm not sure if one is necessarily better than the others. I guess I would be fine ordering from wherever has the best deals and shopping around, but getting everything from one stop would be ideal.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/u-s-govt-mulls-taking-a-stake-in-intel-to-speed-up-ohio-campus-fab-build-out

INTEL WON

>>106268097
Mercedes used to help Porsche and Audi with orders when they fell on tough times. Supporting Intel is fine, but preferably not in Harley Davidson kind of way when US manufacturer grows lazy under umbrella of import tariffs and stops innovating for decades. I think that's how IBM fell out of top market share.

i heard an anon once say that he 9800x3d wasn't future proof, was he valid?

>>106268322
Future-proof is a meme to begin with. 9800x3d is strong 8C/16T CPU that will be relevant for at least 5 more years, In my opinion.

if the 9800x3d cannot play gta 6 without dipping below 100fps then it's not future proof

>>106268322
In 5 years when China reclaims Taiwan, you'll be glad to have any X3D chip

>>106268366
>China reclaims Taiwan
Just like Russia reclaimed Ukraine?

>>106268370
the entire western world won't defend taiwan the way it's defending ukraine also taiwan can be invaded in all directions easily, they have no chance.

>>106268370
I should've said "attempts to reclaim"

>>106268388
Russia shat its pants in Ukraine before one piece of heavy western equipment even arrived. Bold of you to assume China would do any better with their iron bowls army.
>>106268405
Aye that's more realistic.

>5090s now causing straight fires
What urks me is how nvidia can never face legal action
Until entire houses burn and people literally die will we see change
Fucking sad

>>106268419
>implying Njudea's legal team wouldn't find a way to pass the blame to the PSU manufacturers

>>106268418
chinks turn into literal savage animals when at war, they will go to inhumane lengths to achieve their goals.

>>106268447
And they lost to fucking Vietnam. Their entire country imports 80% of its food through series of narrow foreign straits. Nobody needs to defend Taiwan for months, just those straights for a week.

what's the current dp 2.1 monitor meta ?

Why are people clueless about mobos and GPUs every thread? Next stop just say you're clueless at using Windows 11 as well.

>>106268447
Unfortunately their goals during wartime are to turn around and pillage, enslave, and cannibalize their own people. Chinks have never won a war ever

Has there been any updates on AMD porting over fsr4 to the 7900 and 7900xtx? The last I heard was modders got it working pretty well on Linux so surely AMD can do something that's even better

>thread started 12 hrs ago
why so slow

>>106268943
>no brand war shitposting right now
Gee I wonder why the thread is so slow.

Hey /g/entoomen.
As it turns out, I'm fucking retarded!
I impulse-bought a new RAM kit to add to my existing RAM (Same kit -- 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 6000MT/s CL30 FURY Beast) and only after delivery remembered that mixing different kits isn't exactly recommended.
Haven't added them to by shit yet, thinking about sending them back.
They'd slot into an MSI PRO X870-P Wifi DDR5 with an AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D.
Should I just return that shit?
Ram's mostly used for LLMs/video generation and VMs, I rarely game anymore.

>>106268976
>mixing different kits isn't exactly recommended.
I would try, it might still work at 6000 CL30 CR=2T. Is package sealed? You can't send it back after you try anymore?

>>106268976
The last time I tried this my bios wouldn't post anymore. Turns out the pc had two single sticks of the same kind and I tried to expand it with a kit of two. Based on the motherboards list four were only ok if they were from the same kit. It may work but it depends on the motherboard I guess.

>>106269080
I'm not sure if I can send it back after it's opened, there's a sticker on the case but eh. Might spare some hassle if I don't open it but it shouldn't be a problem.
Guess I'll just plop the fuckers in and have a look. Anything I should look out for or be prepared for?
And thanks man.

>>106268943
>why so slow
nicotroon is banned again probably

>>106268388
I don't think Ukraine is getting defended that much. They want to do the bare minimum to prevent total collapse. For EU the contribution is like 0.25% of GDP annually. That's not very much for a supposed confrontation with a strategic adversary.

>>106268943
>why so slow
dlss schizo is banned again probably

>>106269110
I checked the QVL for my motherboard and it doesn't list 4 DIMM for my brand of ram, but I'm not sure how set in stone those QVLs are.

>>106264152 (OP)
>9800X3D
After googling it I read some threads about supposed crashes experienced during shaders compilation on steam for some games. The main cause seem to be high temperatures. Do you know anything about this? Should I get an AIO cooling system rather than dual tower one?

>>106269113
>Anything I should look out for or be prepared for?
I would raise memory training voltage to 1.45 and disable memory fast boot, before plugging new planks in. Then see if they would work at 6000MHz CL30 together with your old ones, at whatever it is DRAM voltage you have now.
If it boots fine - run couple of passes of bootable memtest86 from flash drive, then run AIDA64 stability test for an hour, then play some modern game.
If they don't boot, you might need to try to tweak voltages. DRAM V = VDDQ CPU = 1.45 upper safe daily limit, VCCSA 1.20 (if you have Intel).

If this still doesn't help, you might have to relax the timings. E.g. I had 8 sticks of DDR4 3600MHz CL16, and after plugging 3733 CL17 sticks, I had to settle on 3600MHz CL17 because CL16 was not stable under safe voltage.

This might have nothing to do with your 2nd kit not matching 1st kit. Just 128GB of RAM in 4 sticks is a bit tough on any memory controller, even 2x64GB would be.

So you need to be prepared to sacrifice some latency/speed with any kit, not just one you have.

Good luck.
>>106269174
They aren't.

>>106269191
Don't get ASROCK motherboard, update your MB bios upon purchase and yes use AIO. 240MM like Arctic Freezer 240 cost the same as expensive dual towers anyway.

>>106269191
as long as you get a reputable dual-tower like the thermalright phantom spirit or a noctua nh-d15, it should be good

>>106268621
Waiting™ for better 4K OLED panels that are at least DisplayHDR True Black 500 certified.
https://displayhdr.org/performance-criteria/

>>106269191
>After googling it I read some threads about supposed crashes experienced during shaders compilation on steam for some games
you can find similar threads for all CPUs
most people are NOT running stable rigs (and they don't know how to test if it is stable or not)

>>106269615
>most people are NOT running stable rigs
Why is that a thing? I barely run performance tests unless I have issues I cannot fix via drivers. On my current rig I set Expo 1 and everything has been stable for the past months regardless of how demanding the games I played were.

what pc case is he using

>>106269687
kek'd

>>106269663
>cheap PSUs with bad power delivery
>cheap motherboards with bad power delivery
>power connectors that aren't making proper contact
>mixed RAM kits or RAM sticks in the wrong slots
>not enough thermal paste on the CPU
>no case airflow
>GPUs that aren't fully pushed into the PCIe slot
>really old BIOS versions
>undervolted through a guide that some techtuber told them to follow without stress testing
etc etc
there are many things that can go wrong if you're a normalfag and you take the phrase "it's like building LEGOs" a little too literally
>On my current rig I set Expo 1 and everything has been stable for the past months regardless of how demanding the games I played were
can you pass an hour of prime95 small FFTs, large FFTs, y-cruncher VT3 and linpack xtreme? can you pass 8 hours of testmem5 or karhu? i'm not saying there's anything wrong with your rig but do you KNOW you could do it?

>>106267376
how in the unholy fuck do you get your cpu to hit 70+ degrees while playing video games, let alone at 1080p??

>>106269663
90% of the time its caused by ram xmp/expo or having mixed ram kits

>>106269746
having a hot by default zen4 cpu and a 450-600W gpu exhausting hot air into the air cooler

>>106269738
>can you pass an hour of prime95 small FFTs, large FFTs, y-cruncher VT3 and linpack xtreme? can you pass 8 hours of testmem5 or karhu? i'm not saying there's anything wrong with your rig but do you KNOW you could do it?
can you do anything besides run tinkertranny benchmark software all day long?

>>106269762
see, you haven't tested it
you don't know
now imagine the average person that believes computers are magic
this is why macbooks exist

>>106269738
>but do you KNOW you could do it?
out of my head? No, but I know how to search this kind of things. The only short test I actually did was with memtest64 via bootable USB stick just to make sure the memory works.

>>106269777
shader compilation in UE5 games is genuinely as stressful as any of those tests
so you can see why it might expose instability

>>106269687
jesus christ that is disgusting
gussing hyte y60

>>106269802
I'm running right now the AIDA64 extreme stability test and MHWilds CPU spikes are much heavier than this. I use Furmark here and there to check if my 12V cable melts under full load since I have an Astral Card but that's about it.

Before my current computer built a couple months ago none of my previous builds had magnetic screens to filter dust from the fans.
This shit is the most incredible advance i have ever seen.
Fuck ssd, fuck nvme, fuck everything.
I live with 2 cats and a dog, the amount, the sheer amount of pet hair and dust im removing from those screens with literally no effort.
Im blown away, the future is now.
Whoever invented those should be up there with Alexander Fleming.
Fucking hell.

>>106269875
I've been running my pc without side and top panels for like 6-7 years, I also have cats and it's full of dust, especially gpu's radiator. But the temps are fine? Pretty sure dust is a meme.

>>106267176
When something newer, better comes out, just trade old one in and buy new one. That way, you win coming and going,

>>106269916
I once had a psu burn out because it was so packed with dust. That is something I saw numerous other times doing service calls.

>>106269971
do these 140mm aios even work
they look so silly

>>106269802
>>106269858
if you want an even harder cpu test, go download the ff16 demo. the shader compilation makes any 9800x3d hit 95c.

>looking for a 1080p monitor
>pretty much all of them have shitty non height adjustable stands
>trying to look up a recent recommendation list for good 1080p monitors
>all of them say "just buy a 1440p monitor bro"
I hate this shit so much
1080p is perfectly fine for me and I don't want to upgrade all my components so I can use a higher resolution
This industry is so full of kikes now.

>>106270065
buy one with a detachable stand and get an arm support?
also its 2226, buy a 1440p anon

I have
-- **Case**: Phanteks XT Pro
- **CPU**: Intel i9-12900KF (previously i7-13700K - same issue)
- **Motherboard**: MSI B760 Gaming Plus WiFi (mid-tier board)
- **PSU**: MSI MPG A850G (850W - good quality)
- **Cooler**: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE (120mm tower)
- **GPU**: not important for this post because it's working fine

And I'm getting thermal throttled and getting high temps on CPU when playing Counter Strike 2
Is the cooler too small for this CPU?
What should I buy instead?

>have 16*2 gb ddr4-2666
>buy another 32*2 gb ddr4-3200
>put on the same mb to get 96gb
>16gb ram runs at 2666
>32gb ram runs at 3200
I thought mixing ram like this will get you all running 2666 but apparently not.
interesting

>>106264152 (OP)
One of my builds started freezing recently. I tried reinstalling windows, multiple ssds, power supplies, and gpus. Eventually, I used an entire different cpu mobo and psu. It's still crashing and freezing. No blue screen, just straight freezing. Finally, take it out of the case.... works perfectly. In all my years, I have never had a case cause an issue like this. Mind you, I already tried disconnecting all the cables like the USB, HD audio connectors. It wasn't making contact with the case from what I could tell but I just refused to work

>>106270084
cooler should be fine, and cs2 isn't even that demanding
theres something else at play

>>106270079
yeah I'll probably do that.
I'm just pissed because I have an older VG255 monitor that came out of the box with a fantastic adjustable stand.
Meanwhile all the new ones I've seen have a really shitty v shaped stand. Probably because anyone who cares already has an arm stand? I guess...

>>106270162
It's not demanding if you lock your FPS, if you don't it's basically very demanding
I think it could be badly mounted cooler, because one leg on the original backplate broke off, so I bought a replacement backplate from a different company.
It seems to be very tight, but maybe it isn't..
So I'm thinking if I should buy an AIO

>>106264152 (OP)
any new monitor tech or is IPS and OLED still the best they're offering us?

>>106264574
>80
>best price to performance
never in the history of GPUs has this been anywhere near true.

>>106270219
anyone who cares isn't stuck on 1080p

>>106265041
based dogshit monitor tech denier.
my crusade is against OS DPI scaling. 27" and 32" 2160 monitors they keep trying to force are too small to realize any of the benefit of higher resolution.

>>106270271
Enjoy your xbox hueg pickles while you're stuck using standards set during the dark ages

>>106265477
I literally never watch this guy's videos, I don't understand his appeal.

>>106269746
First gen AM5 cpus want to run at 95°C, they run hot by design

>>106268322
it really depends on what the PS6 hardware is and how long it takes developers to release PS6 gen vidya that is not available on PS5 or XBox.

>>106270279
And what's the modern standard? 4k? Something the majority of people cannot achieve without upscaling?

>>106270279
you don't understand what you're talking about.

>>106269858
>MHWilds CPU spikes are much heavier than this
lmao
>>106270053
>the shader compilation makes any 9800x3d hit 95c
probably uses oodle as well
that's what was making 13th/14th gen intel crash
it's hand-optimized AVX decompression code hyperoptimized by autists at RAD game tools
you probably recognize them from bink

Is an OLED monitor worth it?

is this enough for not overclocked 9600x?

Still on the hunt for a 1440p/27"/IPS/144+hz monitor. A store nearby has this model by VG27AQL3A, that fullfills all the requirements at $230 USD. There's also XG27ACS that has similar specs that is slightly more expensive, plus it has some shitty speakers that I'd like to use when not gayming. Some also complained about XG's super grainy coating though I've not seen it myself.
There's also VX2758A-2K-PRO-2 that looks alright, but I couldn't find any decent reviews on it. What would you guys do, would I be fine with the VG27AQL3A?

>>106267034
>waiting a year for a significant improvement in both perf and efficiency
The 6000 series isn't coming out in a year

>>106270512
get whatever for now, there's some cool stuff coming in near future

>>106270434
looks good but be ready to replace it in 2-5 years.

>>106270528
we have something better than OLED and IPS that's actually in production? or just trade show floor demos?

>>106270528
I'm still on my old system with a 5600x/3070, I just don't feel like there's anything worth upgrading my system for so I'm not really going to benefit from super high refresh rates. I'll check go check it in store, they close shop in an hour or so. OLEDs are super nice but maybe if I get a new system for it down the line.

>>106270563
my aw3423dw is about 2 and a half years old and still not ready to be replaced so you can strike 2 off the range

>>106270569
the cooler oled

>>106265965
>I don't even notice it
you must be used to matte, man people were hating on it like crazy

>>106270271
I am not denying
you have to account for ppd though
https://phrogz.net/tmp/ScreenDensityCalculator.html#find:density,pxW:3840,pxH:2160,size:27,sizeUnit:in,axis:diag,distance:31,distUnit:in

>are too small to realize any of the benefit of higher resolution.
I kind of agree on 3d elements in games, it's easier to see details in bigger screen where you can see the pixels more clearly
in 2d elements it's a way bigger benefit, windows looks like shit unscaled, literally though

What's the best bang for your buck to cool down a 7800 X3D?

Anything better than Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE?

>>106270065
buy a cheap 27" 4k dual mode monitor, or not, just regular would be fine too

>>106270231
qdoled came out in 2022 so it's the newest meme

>>106270434
you can buy a 65" qdoled tv with better hdr for cheaper than what a 32" qdoled costs
depends

>>106270512
just buy 4k dual mode isnt it 70 bux more

>>106270588
there is a reddit schizo that has replaced like 4 of these that burn them in with 8 month cycles, maybe people have different definitions what is burned in

>>106270677
The Thermalright Phantom Spirit has an extra heat pipe compared to the Assassin

>>106269746
>let alone at 1080p??
the lower the resolution the more the CPU has to work, anon

Radeon bad
>>106265148
Literally never seen a ue5 game use more than 8gb of vram

>>106270677
a620 is usually a bit cheaper where i live

jesus, PC building got so bloated
I'm building out of budget components and it almost costs as much as a used car

>>106270727
Damn, it weighs freaking 1.2 kg, not sure it's a good idea for a microATX build.

>microcenter out of stock of the 9950x3d
Who is buying all these cpus?

>>106270734
>I'm building out of budget components and it almost costs as much as a used car
Why don't you list the build, even buying everything new you could get something threw together for less than $700

>>106270754
my cooler is 1.3 kg it's totally fine

>>106270766
its getting replaced by the 192MB variant

>>106270783
I'm gonna need one yesterday.

>>106270734
just do an AMD/AMD microATX stack and never look back
everything is cheaper, except graphics cards. 9070 and 9060 XT will serve you better than anything has ever.

>>106270794
well too bad. you're gonna have to wait until christmas for this one

>>106270798
Fine, then I'll just pay off the rest of my car's engine instead. Or get a new chair.

>>106270817
>first budget build in a decade starter pack

>>106264152 (OP)
looking to lower my cpu/gpu temps in my node 202. will adding case fans to the gpu compartment help the cpu temps or just the gpu?
currently running the R7 5700X and RX 9060XT and they both sit around 70 degrees when browsing the internet and 95-100 degrees when gaming

>>106270795
I have trouble picking the mATX board
so far I landed on Gigabyte B850M DS3H

>>106270894
>I have trouble picking the mATX board
I was thinking of going mATX for a new computer but I'm finding out that all of them only support like 1 NVME slot?

>>106270929
all of them have at least 2, one of them being 5.0

>really want to upgrade second monitor from 1080p to 1440p
>missed good sale on ASUS 27" monitor last week due to spending so much on other components
>now nothing's on sale
God damn it. Will there be any sales between now and black friday? I really dont want to wait 3 months. But would hate to pay full pop on something now and then see killer deals on BF

I have an X470 board with 2 M.2 slots, can I use the second one for Wi-Fi module, or is it strictly for storage purposes (as stated in manual)?

any good 1440p monitors like in the OP but with more refresh rate? 240 or more ideally

>>106270719
Stalker 2, even in 1080p.

>>106270713
Which doesn't necessarily increase performance that much, and IIRC PS SE is even worse than PA despite the extra pipe, because fans are worse.

What time does the AMD vs Nvidia flamewar start today? I don't want to miss it

>>106271138
It was cancelled, check your spam folder

>>106271138
intel won

>>106271252
wish i could take two arc b580 and fuse them perfectly into a single unit
or better yet three of them

What's the best 16:9 non-OLED monitor on the market? I want something that can be used for everything (gaming/media/coding/wallpaper), it will essentially be on 24/7 and I want it to last at least 5 years.

>>106271135
The newer V2 and V3 versions use the better fans

>>106270065
1080p is solved. the only reason to be considering anything at that resolution, is whether or not you care about esports 600hz zowie monitors, or just a regular old 60-120hz which any company can do at 1080p now.

>>106268976
Well!
I simply plopped the new sticks in. POST took quite a bit, but I didn't change any settings.
No idea about instability yet, I'll get memtest86 now and do the AIDA64 as >>106269196 has suggested.
Damn, this is way too exciting.

>>106271266
You will be able to get a dual-b580 B60 for $1200 soonish

>>106271356
27" 4k dual mode monitors are like 300 bux
do you need more? idk

>>106270891
isn't this the Valve box?

>>106271077
Okay, I got XG27ACG on sale for $230. Should be good enough as a secodnary monitor for a while

How long before 16gb vram isn't enough because developers don't optimize anymore?

>>106271487
very long if you simply don't use 4k textures sweatie

>>106271077
Do people not upgrade their main monitor and then use the old one as secondary?

>>106271138
The shitposter's probably banned; he wouldn't miss the opportunity to post the new HWUB driver overhead content.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbdPNxe7O_I

>>106271510
But I must waste money and performance on 4k

>>106268007
Yes, it does seem absurdly high, but 100-110c are numbers I've seen people report, some even up to 130c. Other people just report 70-80c though

https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B0C79K5VGZ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_viewopt_kywd?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&pageNumber=1&filterByKeyword=heat
https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B0C79K5VGZ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_viewopt_kywd?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&pageNumber=1&filterByKeyword=temperature
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/1dkxfqa/psa_high_capacity_ddr5_sodimm_can_really_overheat/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/1mhbmyn/high_average_temperatures_on_sodimm_ddr5_ram_in/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/11sb355/ddr5_5600_64gb_temperature_in_laptop_up_to_80/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/1bw199a/2x48_gb_ram_in_elitebook_845_g10/

Regarding using a probe or FLIR, I'd be pretty uncomfortable running the laptop with the lid removed, and i'm not sure how I would even position it to access the screen and keyboard while having it upside down, but if you have ideas I'm open to potentially trying it

>>106271434
you don't just move your old monitor to the side? you go out and purchase a monitor intentionally for your side monitors?

>>106271487
the raster performance will become too weak before the VRAM is insufficient.

>>106271408
i-i don't get it

>>106271541
can you just screenshot the relevant part of the video broski.
also funny that he's comparing AMD's 70ti to novidio's 80.

>>106270891
>>106271408
>>106271642
https://youtu.be/2eWlN_uiMIc
it looks like this. cool little box. did you try putting a blower cooled GPU in there?

>>106271663
ah steam machines. they looked so shiny
anyways i didn't know if blower gpus were still being made that could fit in this case. hope the purchasing decisions I made are salvageable

>>106271693
no this is way after steam machines. this was the custom valve mini-PCs they were using to show off their VR Half-Life Alyx.

Can you use a pc for vr games or do you need a dedicated vr rig?

>>106271487
Considering the new consoles that are coming in another year and a half or something, in my head 16gb now = 11/12gb in 2018/2019. 12gb now = 8gb in 2018/2019
Stop being autistic and just buy a new card every 2/3 gens. Vram is never an actual issue that way.
Took until late last year for games to come out with an actual requirement for more than 4gb at 1080p (talking just playing the game without insane stutters or framerate). 8gb in 99% of games still doesn't even require too significant of a compromise at 1080p (on Nvidia anyways, but don't buy a new 8gb card still just to be clear)

>>106271729
>can you use a pc for games or do you need a pc?

>>106271755
Do you just need a headset and a connection or is it proprietary

Alright I bought the VG27AQL3A and set it up. What do I do now? G-Sync enabled, 180hz set.

>>106271714
oh neat

>>106270512
I just went from a 1080/24"/VA/60hz monitor to an LG 27GS75Q-B and it's a mind blowing difference. 1440p/27"/IPS/180hz(200hz OC).
I was searching for a long time and settled on this one. UI is easy to use and it's a good looking monitor without the gayming aesthetic.

>>106271643
Just typical Steve finding the worst CPU configs, maps, & locations.
Can't defend people using a Ryzen 5600 or 7600 with an RTX 5080, maybe the 7600 owners can say they're waiting for the next -X3D chips or a discounted 9800X3D.

At least he had the decency to include the areas & settings where GeForce cards are nearly fully utilized.

Can a 5070Ti burn from a 12V connector? No overclocking or undervolting, just a regular stock version fresh out of the box

>>106264152 (OP)
are you using the best computer case or trash?

>>106271858
can? yes
likely to happen? not at all

>>106271858
Only if you connect each side of the power cable very poorly.
Higher-end 9070 XT cards like the Sapphire Nitro and ASRock Taichi use these connectors with a higher power draw than a 5070 Ti.
You'd have to be an idiot to cause a connector melt for cards that draw less than 400W.

>>106271825
>I just went from a 1080/24"/VA/60hz monitor to an LG 27GS75Q-B and it's a mind blowing difference.
That's why monitor shills here are very helpful.

>and it's a good looking monitor without the gayming aesthetic
This is very important to me but LG and maybe Gigabyte are the only ones with more understated design.
The new AOC monitors also toned down on the gamer look.

I am getting the 1050Ti and nobody can stop me.

>>106264152 (OP)
I got fucked right guys? CPU is under a different code name and everything

>>106271769
you'll have to check your headset for how it connects to a PC.

>>106271770
disable g-sync if you play anything competitive because it introduces input lag.

>>106268322
9800x3d is in that weird spot in that it's overkill right now but might be just a smidge below what you'll want once next-gen consoles come out, at least in the most demanding titles

>>106271858
all connectors can burn if you don't seat them correctly.
it's unlikely they'll burn otherwise.

>>106270465
That board VRM is specced to handle a 9950/X3D, it's definitely good enough for 9600X.

>>106271541
Why don't they make a video on the AMD vram issue?

>>106272024
Trany game, njudea shill

does anyone perhaps have an image of how id-cooling frozn coolers look without the faggot ass plastic cap on the radiators?

>>106271940
I hope you have fun with your Windows 7 gaymes.

>>106271961
Just CPU-X quirks, the important cache information is correct.
https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-7-9800x3d.c3891

>>106272024
What matters is Steve's personal rig got an -X3D CPU paired with a 4090, Tim is also using a 4090.
Steve's daughter is using a 5080 ("muh sponsored"). But they make a living out of validating Radeon card owners.

>>106272049
thanks anon. i would've gotten the 6 gigs 3050 if it wasn't priced the same as a 5700 XT. i figured the 1050ti is good enough for my indie and low spec games, besides it consumes 75W and the wattage is the main caveat for why I'm not getting RX cards.

>>106271825
The one I used before was a VX2758 from Viewsonic which I got 5 years ago, it didn't have that gaymer look. Got the >>106271770 now and it doesn't look all gaymery to me as well.
>>106271998
Does it? Honestly this monitor feels slightly snappier than my old one. I set Overdrive to 4 out of 5, I've yet to spot any ghosting though I need to use it more.

>>106272077
what do you think this proves? that a $3000 GPU is better than a $600 one?

>>106271825
Why didnt you buy the 85? the non srgb wide gamut version of the same monitor
or are you an srgb-cuck?
colors are the most important thing especially if you wanna gamma it up or black eq it up
having a low color gamut was the worst thing I ever knew not only does it make the image more dim due to not the same color brightness but it also just looks like shit and blobs images together quicker if you wanna saturate things, not that you need to if you have insane saturation to begin with either
but yeah I heard those monitor series from LG are pretty good, very fucking weird since they have no basic bitch 4k versions in the same range
like the only make 1440p versions

>>106271373
Memtest is showing errors even at 1.45V 6000mhz cl30. damn it.
Trying 5600 MHz cl40 now, which is expo profile 2.

>>106272058
>https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-7-9800x3d.c3891
are you sure literally everyone and their mother is telling me its fake and i should return. like the scammers reprogramed the chip to make the system recognise a 9800x3d when its a laptop cpu judging by the package and code name

>>106272087
a fellow low power connoisseur.
I went with the 4070 though. but 200W is significantly higher than your 75. I do power limit my card to 150W though.
if AMD would figure out efficiency, which it seems to have done with RDNA4, it would be very cool.

>>106272123
>desktop
>low power
this is retarded tho, just buy a laptop

>>106272122
Go grab cinnecbench or another benchmark you tardo

>>106272098
>a $3000 GPU is better than a $600 one
Be consistent. If you want to say the 9070/XT is a $600 card, you shouldn't be saying the 4090 is a $3000 card.
Those guys didn't pay $3000 for it anyway.
They are both using their free 4090s because AMD has no answer to it.
Steve's daughter is using a sponsored 5080 because the driver issues are overblown, and it's a better overall card than any RDNA4 offerings.

>>106272098
>$600
lol xd

>>106272144
>buy a laptop
before buying the PC components i was advised the same thing, but what really attracted me to make a desktop is the ease of upgradability.

>>106271524
I am upgrading from dual 24" to dual 27". So currently using mismatched monitors until I get 2 27"

>>106272144
that's stupid. too many restrictions due to the mobile form factor.
but I have a Steam Deck that I can dock when I really want to save power.
I may swap to a mini-PC in the near future.

>>106272122
Check in HWInfo & CPU-Z, and find another CPU-X screenshot showing accurate specs of the 9800X3D.
Rembrandt is a Zen 3+ laptop CPU and didn't get any X3D SKUs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_3#Rembrandt

Just don't use CPU-X.

>>106272123
>transparent zero
Those speakers are funny little things. Position them just right and they have huge presence. Position them wrong and they're not good.

>>106272123
>>106272319
Oh and also there is a new model out you may want to get those instead of the old ones.

>>106272212
even a shitty ssf pc like mitx will still need at least 200W unless you make some meme build that's worse than an apu
something like strix, while pricy, shits all over almost all tiny builds in existence.

>>106272326
honestly I would rather sell them but I live in the middle of nowhere and I'm already struggling to sell my 4k monitor.
they're too much power and too large for my desk.
I hate using headphones though, so I will cope with these until they expire, or until I move back to civilization and can realistically sell them.

>>106272391
>too much power and too large for my desk
Those tiny things are too large?? They're not much larger than a 3.5 hdd. I guess maybe you can try getting ilouds if you ever do sell them? I think they might have a slightly smaller footprint but just barely.

>>106272344
yeah an APU is all I need.
even the Steam Deck does fine when I connect it to external displays and that thing has a ton of restrictions on it due to form factor. I would pay for a Valve mini-PC that was just the Steam Deck APU without the mobile restrictions.

>>106272412
can barely fit them on the desk with a second monitor. my second monitor is pushed into the corner and turned to an extreme angle. really only good for having large images or videos on the second monitor.
and if I get something larger than my 28" main monitor I have now...

>>106272100
Any monitor would be an upgrade over what I had, the store didn't have an 85 model to compare to either. It'll work for me

>>106271109
bwos?

>connect external 1440p display to a macbook
>font looks like shit, wtf
>"apple hates your guts, you need to install Better Display to unfuck it"
>install Better Display
>an hour later the screen randomly stopped flickering but I couldn't be bothered investigating
>the fucking text got burned-in somehow, after maybe 10 minutes of it
>on a fucking mini-led
>what
thankfully this shit went away after like 30 minutes but what the actual fuck
as if I didn't dislike that pile of shit macbook enough already

>>106270345
Not everyone needs to use the same ppi
Just fuck off pretending like its better to use low ppi

>>106270355
As a 4k 27" user I am the most qualified to talk about it

>>106272556
I'm using an ASUS PG27AQN that goes up to 240 without DSC and 360 with on DP 1.4. Just keep in mind that DSC causes on nvidia with a multi monitor setup flickering screens whenever the resolution changes and only DP or HDMI 2.1 have enough bandwidth for non-DSC high fps. Is it good? Yes but it's expensive and technically ASUS wanted to release a successor soon with NVIDIA Pulsar.

>>106272556
LG 27GR83Q-B is currently discounted to $350 by Beach Camera (authorized LG electronics seller) on Amazon.
https://www.lg.com/us/authorizeddealers/lg_online_authorized_retailers
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6WBzK8/lg-ultragear-27gr83q-b-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-27gr83q-b

M27Q-X is an alternative but worse value ($400).
You're getting close to decent miniLED monitor prices at this point, I'm not sure if plain IPS 240Hz is worth it.

>>106272556
pcpartpicker shows me 1440 240hz IPS at $210.
just know that they're all shit and you're settling for anything you purchase, there is quality control issues with every manufacturer these days.

>>106272556
we're literally months away - like 3 months - from ~$450 mini-led with proper HDR (1000+ local dimming zones), excellent colors n shit
unless you're some esports fag I'd much rather get one of those

>>106272707
i am a bit of an esports fag but i doubt these are slow/unresponsive enough to matter i guess?

How come this is the only true 1500w UPS on the market that plug into a normal wall outlet? People's setups just get more and more demanding these days, you'd think there would be better UPS's appearing on the market instead of just same ones that have been there all decade. Also this thing thing got like 50% more expensive in just the last 18 months, glad I got it two years ago.

>>106272756
>People's setups just get more and more demanding these days
(you) problem? 9800x3d + undervolted 5070ti is what, 350W?

The ASUS Prime 9070XT is on sale in Canada for $930, is that a good model of the 9070? Model number is PRIME-RX9070XT-O16G

Amazon is trying to get me to buy a 5090. Offering me a 24 month payment plan with 0 fees. Does this mean they think demand is finally drying up?

>>106272837
lower end but at least it's not gigabyte
ideally you want sapphire

>>106272837
ASUS Prime is fine, ASUS generally release good video card models.

>>106272520
make sense

>>106270279
trying to prove something to someone which you can verify by just putting a monitor infront of your eyes and get instant feedback without doing any analytical things to it just practical experience is impossible

>>106272838
rumours are saying 5000 prices will dip even more
but ever since usd price got corrected here and prices dipped to below msrp on certain models at times I think supply has been good for a minute

>>106272838
if you haven't noticed everybody's offloading all their 5000 series lately, likely because the vram bump supers will be announced soon(tm)
coincidentally you shouldn't buy those either, then splurge on the best gpu you can get in late 2026/early 2027

>>106272837
The model of gpu doesn't really matter. Just get the cheapest one that meets your performance requirements for noise and what-not.

>>106272938
I DON'T WANT TO WAIT A YEAR
I HAVE MONEY NOW I WANT TO SPEND IT, I COULD DIE OR SOME SHIT IN A YEAR

>>106272979
5090 is loud and obnoxious
just get a 4090 instead, it's straight up superior unless you NEED 32gb vram

>>106272938
>>106272979
I think they're just offloading 5070ti and below because of their driver issues and they slapped by 9070xt and related.

5080/5090 are all overpriced ASF like $1400-2400 for Zotac Solid.

>>106272938
i got a 5080 so im skipping next gen, I'll build a new pc around whatever 7000 series brings. 16gb is more than enough for my stable diffusion and 1440p gaming, what's the point of dealing with the hassle of selling just to get more vram? Are people really having issues with 16gb? Must be ludites who fell for the 4k and/or path tracing memes.

>>106273000
>5080
huh? I've seen loads of 5080 at mrsp at a nearby microcenter ~2 weeks ago
idk about 5090
>>106273005
I meant companies are slowly starting to clear stock, not random people selling their shit so they can buy the-same-card-but-with-more-vram-which-does-literally-nothing-useful

why the fuck don't amd boards have any thunderbolt / really fast USB anyway?
midrange incel boards have at least one 40gbps but even x870e from amd tend to top out at 20 gbps

>>106273000
>I think they're just offloading 5070ti and below because of their driver issues and they slapped by 9070xt and related.
Well that's retarded on both points.
>>106272979
If you need an upgrade go get it, waitfagging is a mental illness and there's always something rumored to be coming soon.

>>106273064
>>and there's always something rumored to be coming soon
>good shit $500 displays q4 2025
>2nm cpus 2026
>2nm gpus 2027
I'm gonna.. I'M GONNA WAITFAAAAGG

>>106273035
>>106273064
The cheapest 5080 at microcenter is $1100 before tax and it's the low end models like Ventus/Solid/Etc. Those models are so cheap they have bad coil whine and fan whirring like Arctic used to have. For $750 you can get a Taichi or Sapphire Nitro the #1 quality pcbs from 9070xt.

>>106273084
Yeah you can always spend a little less to get a card with far fewer features and less software support, that's why AMD exists. The real answer to the overpriced 5080, however, is the 5070 ti.

>>106273096
5070ti is 30% slower than RADV just on LInux I won't be get into Windows being much worse for Nvidia now.

>>106273084
>they have bad coil whine and fan whirring
is this an actual issue for people who build their pc on their own? I thought pretty much everybody undervolts nowadays, what with being able to bring down power draw (ie temps and noise) by a fuckton at the cost of like 3% performance (lmao even)

>>106273096

Yeah you can always spend a lot more to get a card with far fewer performance and less software reliability on three major OS in the world, that's why Nvidia exists. The real answer to the overpriced 5000 series, however, is AMD. You already bought the AMD CPU for SAM so why settle for REBAR driver issues?

>>106273084
And the 5080 is a garbage card.
You're supposed to buy a 60/70 (or ti) every 2-4 years, selling the old one to cover most of the upgrade cost.
>>106273075
>2nm cpus 2026
>2nm gpus 2027
oh wow I'm sure that'll make a HUGE difference, my bad i forgot.

>>106273096
Bruh you couldn't pay me to touch MSI Ventus or Zotac over Sapphire or Powercolor

>>106273136
well you're a consoomer, you don't get paid to do anything, you just give companies money

>>106273156
ahkshually I get paid to touch you're mom
ahahaha gottem

>>106268322
doesn't matter. there's no consumer greater than 8 core cpu on the market. The dual ccd ryzens would suck for gaming because of the chiplet latency.

does anyone have a 27" 4k monitor? How much better does it look than 1440p?

i've been lusting after one for awhile but I haven't convinced myself to pull the trigger yet.

>download malware from f95
>okay lets be adult about this and reinstall windows instead of hoping for the best
it went fine but its draining
I just wish windows wasnt such a piece of shit about things
Google makes things easier with its convenient account settings. I dont need to care about exporting bookmarks for example, but microsoft only puts hurdles in your path with their mandatory acc shit and promotions

>>106273227
>does anyone have a 27" 4k monitor?
I do cause I need a mac for work and macs are autistic about displays
>How much better does it look than 1440p?
honestly not a lot, even those super dense ones like 27" 4k. I'd buy a 32" 4k instead if I could be bothered.

>>106271729
>>106271769
Heasets like the quest 3 can play games standalone at worse res / fps than dedicated rendering pc. Other than that, you need a wi-fi 6 router in the same room as your headset to stream to it from your pc.
I got a wi-fi 7 access point from zyxel for it and it works.

Can you even make a decent rig for less that 1000 euros nowadays? I wanna play Dayz in 1440p.

>>106273243
Does this happen? I never ran into any malware there. If you dont trust pirated hgames run them in a VM or use a sacrificial lamb notebook to test things.

>>106273254
does the 4k res get rid of aliasing at 27"?
I also wonder if spotting people in the open world fps games at distance would be better with it.

I've been playing through deus ex mankind divided and I had to turn on AA because the jaggies were annoying me.

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>>106273302
>>106273302
>>106273302

>>106273270
maybe. depends on local prices but you'll likely run a bit over unless you go for used
4070 / 5070, cheap as you can get
basic bitch 9700x
2x 16gb
cheapest mobo you can reasonably find

>>106273282
They just have total randos upload file link visible only to mods, the mods then put that shit up if they fail to notice a virus.
Then you see messages like
>Version 0.09 was infected with a LummaStealer. The Infected files where public from 2025-08-13 T05:52 AM - 2025-08-13 T11:42 AM (GMT). If you downloaded the game in that time please make sure to scan your system and change Passwords. For more info Read here: Recent Malware Infected Games. The current links are fine.

I guess you can run sandboxie too but its not fun.

>>106273330
Does the Windows AV not complain or any other AV?

>>106273297
its a lot better but it doesn't get rid of it

>>106273363
Micro def warned about a trojan
After seeing the message and I dl'd malwarebytes and that removed some file in appdata folder the game created + blocked some website.

Im not sure since Im not a mod there but maybe that particular pattern didnt trigger MD when a mod ran the game but it then gets patched after the file is reported?

>>106273435
I dont know honestly. Lots of people share just links somewhere in the thread especially new versions. Never ran into the issue that any of those had anything or I simply don't know. All in all bad luck.

>>106273540
Supposedly the AI coding tools opened a floodgate of these kinda attacks
the mods are volunteers who dont get paid and each upload is a lot of work

>>106273571
I'll double check in future now. I have a paid version of [spoiler]bit defender[/spoiler] on my throw away notebook for those kinds of things. Thanks for the warning.

>>106273587
ah right spoilers dont work here. /v/ermin moment.

>>106273587
The viruses sometimes avoid detection by checking the date, they only trigger say 1-2 days after being uploaded

Generally you might want to wait a few days before downloading a game and check the OP if theres warnings before running it.
If microsoft defender detects the virus and you see a warning its prob fine and only the privacy schizos that blocked windows updates get infected.

>>106265477
idk if you picked up on it but he has enough money to literally just post whatever stupid shit he wants to and it keeps the lights on at his youtube company while not hating his life