Thread 106279819

The Tech Bubble Burst of 2025 will be glorious

I pay $0 to use open source models

>>106279819 (OP)
>See the problem?
no

>>106279819 (OP)
post 2008 the stock market became completely divorced from reality and the stock market has supplanted the real economy as what people care about. Which is why we have 'growth' on paper while the majority of American's lives are getting worse.
your problem here is thinking that an economic system being irrational means it will end. the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

>>106279819 (OP)
>The Tech Bubble Burst of 2025 will be glorious
Let's be real, that wont happen if AI is a big problem they will move to the next hype, have people forgotten about the cloud and crypto hype non of those really popped.
Also this. >>106279845

>crisis = zero interest rates = more money printed = corpos doing stock buybacks with fed borrowed money
this is actually bullish for tech stocks. at least until the USD collapses.

no i dont

t. nvidia shareholder

>>106279845
>the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.
Based clown world economy.

>>106279830
Your parents pay for electricity

>>106279897
you mad, sam?

>>106279882
>at least until the USD collapses.
two more weeks

Yeah man Facebook, Uber, Amazon will never make money. It'll be glorious when they blow up.

>>106279882
>at least until the USD collapses.
It depends on how US handles foreign relations.
If countries legit want to move away form the US.
(Which won't happen, let's be real) if it does that will completely destroy the US.

>>106279845
>Which is why we have 'growth' on paper while the majority of American's lives are getting worse.
No, the issue is that we have massive growth but a majority of it goes to the top 1%, not your retarded chud conspiracy lol

This show is getting more and more relevant every year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYu-d6y5HRo

>>106279897
>he doesn't have solar
lmaoing at gridcucks

>>106279872
Yeah, what happened to NFT's?
>>106279963
/g/ told me that if you use solar or wind power, you are always a sõy drinking cuck. No exceptions.

>>106279819 (OP)
nvidia bubble is going to pop any day now because cuda is no longer the moat it once was.

>>106279990
>Yeah, what happened to NFT's?
Still around, people just never wanted NFT at the end of the day that shit wasn't pushed that much by us companies more by typical grifters and was build on crypto which is still around and very strong.

>>106280006
>nvidia bubble is going to pop any day now because cuda is no longer the moat it once was.
Nonsense, still ahead of intel and AMD's solutions.

>>106279882
>at least until the USD collapses.
Zhang...

>>106280041
>Zhang...
You shouldn't be hard on the chinese they are the 3 biggest dept buyer.

>>106280060
*3rd biggest dept buyer.

>>106279819 (OP)
Wont happen. AI will replace you. That's what they want, they don't care if they lose money in the process

>>106280032
Most companies that do inference don't really care about rewriting for a different platform if it saves them money. See cerebras and groq for example, they're pretty successful and if AMD can fix their buggy software they have a real chance to catch up. I've heard a few people claim the MI350 can potentially offer the best price/perf with good software.

>>106279819 (OP)
I don't think there will be a crash. there is always one more AI lie you can sell, and promise gains in "2 more weeks". AI hype will just slowly fizzle out, and eventually will be replaced by something else.

>>106280080
>Most companies that do inference don't really care about rewriting for a different platform if it saves them money. See cerebras and groq for example, they're pretty successful and if AMD can fix their buggy software they have a real chance to catch up. I've heard a few people claim the MI350 can potentially offer the best price/perf with good software.
Gaint fucking cope, we know this since they are part of the gpu market for PC gamers.
NVIDIA innovates while AMD and intel copies.
Don't be surprised when the same thing happens on the AI market NVIDIA will just improve cuda to a point where AMD and intel play catch up, I don't want this to be real but I am not going to fall for cope.

>>106280090
There could be a crash, right now the masses haven't been demoralized. Normies are still trying to vibe code their way to success and most people haven't felt the ceiling of chatbots. They haven't been chatting for more than a year. so if you have an entire population that hasn't matured to AI the future remains unknown.

Let's go back to self assisted driving cars, came out years ago but most people are happy to keep driving manually. Nobody feels like they missed out on life by having to manually drive their vehicle. Computer AI could go the same way, where people prefer doing it manually - instead of babysitting an AIs output.

>>106279819 (OP)
It'll go strong for 5 years at least even if the bubble burst today

>>106279845
you lost tranny

>>106279845
>stock market became completely divorced from reality
that's always been the case, stock market operates on derivatives

Not my problem.
Capitalists can suck my penis.

I use open LLM's and just steal their compute because I don't see them as human. Same reason I'll send money to artist in a mail if I care about their compensation versus buying an album from them.
World doesn't need middle men.

>>106280258
Estrogen pilled reply.

>>106279845
>post 2008 the stock market became completely divorced from reality
A bunch of numbers reflecting the dopamine levels of a handful of kikes would never be able to describe reality, be it before or after 2008.

>>106280258
>"World doesn't need middle men."
>sent money through mail company
what did he mean by this?

>>106280111
See https://github.com/luminal-ai/luminal and many other similar projects.
If you can do hardware-specific model compilation and optimization then the brand of your chips becomes irrelevant and only the manufacturers offering the best perf/$ will end up winning.
CUDA won because it was easy to learn and became the standard for GPGPU programming, but now the focus is on trying to squeeze every possible flop out of the hardware and CUDA is becoming less and less relevant. See Deepseek for example, the people working on it ditched CUDA and wrote their own PTX kernels by hand. And soon compilers will be able to output GPU-specific optimized assembly from model architectures described in a high level lang.

>>106280294
It means I don't respect artists enough to send them money.
You made me explain the joke buddy....that's not okay. Think it through, pal. I'm sure even a retarded american AI can grasp this one.

>>106279819 (OP)
>there is only one user at all levels
Go back to twitter you dumbass

>>106280272
You will never be a real man. You have no weightlifting records, you have no fought battles, you have no power over anyone. A troon on estrogen could outlift you.

>>106279872
>they will move to the next hype,
There is never going to be another one after AI. Thats the problem here. The stock market is based on nonsense but it's gonna need to find an entirely kew paradigm to base said nonsense off of once the AI hype is fully gone because silicon valley is totally outta tricks after this.

>>106280215
see >>106280352

>you pay $40 for a month of internet
>your ISP pays $50K for peering and cross connects

See the problem? Yeah me neither

>nvidia has trillions of cash from all their huge ass margin gpu system sales
>amazon has trillions of cash from all their huge ass online commerce sales
>google has trillions of cash from dominating internet advertising
>meta has trillions of cash from advertising
>meanwhile usa government just prints more money to fund ai for security reasons

Yeah AI is a bubble, but the players can afford it while everyone else is priced out of the competition.

>>106280375
>cash
It's a fiat currency.
Those trillions are nothing but a hope or a dream.

In reality they have nothing.

>>106279872
>>106280090
I've only ever seen tech companies double down. Crypto is different because tech companies never really bothered to integrate it with their services. Will Microsoft really go back and act like copilot never happened? Will Google remove the Gemini button from my Gmail? Will I still see Grok sperging out on my Twitter tl?

>>106279819 (OP)
That's why my unleveraged short positions, currently in the red, will print at year end.

>>106280069
sorry, I meant *dept

>>106279830
>GPU's and electricity are free
>Absolutely garbage models
Poorfags like you will left behind
It's the new digital divide
>>106279819 (OP)
>$200 a year
I pay two hundred a month to Anthropic

>>106279819 (OP)
the business model never made sense but the real pretext of AI is to build a shitload of datancenters and when the bubble pops, repurpose them for government surveillance
people would be out on the street if big G said they want to use your taxpayer money to expand big brother schemes, this lets them do it quietly without raising any alarm bells

>>106279819 (OP)
I pay $0 to goon for hours with character.ai

>>106280460
ai is worth like $7 a month at best

>>106280470
Spoken like someone who will be left behind

>>106280501
2 more weeks

>>106280006
CUDA is safe for the next couple of years i think, the ecosystem is just too dominant rn

>>106280215
trans/genderqueer ideology was was pushed hard post 2008 as a way to create distractions and amplify culture war garbage. It existed in the 90s and 00s but was just a stupid idea in some universities.
remember how 2007 Obama was against gay marriage?
of course none of these people have actual opinions, it's just illustrative. you had conflicting yet complimentary movements emerge on both the far right and far left in 2008 with OWS and the tea party from a shared understanding that something was deeply wrong with what was going on and both mostly agreed that bankers should be jailed and/or not bailed out. Both were suppressed in different ways and eventually co-opted into the modern culture war framework.

The people who wrote history all made sure to agree that "Well it was immoral to bail out private losses of bankers with public funds, but if we didn't do it, it would have been worse" despite the fact that doing this tore up and shit on the last scraps of sensibility in the economy and essentially pushed all of the 'growth' into pumping scam tier tech stocks, setting us up for an even bigger collapse down the road.

sad thing is most 4chan posters these days are too young to have actual memories of that time period, and many of those who were old enough weren't paying attention.

>>106279819 (OP)
Civilization is a bubble. So what?

>>106280422
what is the metaverse
what is like 2/3rds of google products that ever existed
there are an insane amount of examples of tech companies dropping products, sometimes even actually good ones

>>106279882
>crisis = zero interest rates
Not if we get 80s stagflation again which we're primed to.

>>106280574
The only people who think you NEED CUDA are the ones who have never written a compute shader in their life. In my software we use Vulkan for fast compute to ensure it works on macOS, Windows, and Linux. Without proprietary NVIDIA BS.

>>106280610
AI is sexy. Name one product any tech company dropped that was sexy.

>>106280648
There's no way to lower interest rates. We haven't been issuing short-term auctions since like 2018. Long-term bonds have had abysmal bid-to-cover ratios.

>>106280610
But they never integrated it into their services like they have with AI. They're literally forcing their employees to code with AI.

>>106280679
They're just gonna pass a law forcing Fidelity/Vanguard/Blackstone etc to buy bonds. The can is nowhere near the end of the road. Japan has been 30 days from the yen going to zero for 35 years.

>>106280686
nobody uses ai to code at msft
idk about your corp

>>106280662
Zune.

>>106280662
VR. dead across the board.

>>106280701
Too late to market. The iPod was equally sexy and already on everyone's minds.

>>106280724
This is as far from sexy as you can get.
https://youtu.be/Uvufun6xer8

>>106280737
>he doesn't know

>>106279941
>the top 1%
Just call them jews.

>>106280698
How would that work if most of our investment comes from foreign funny money?

>>106280227
nta but after 2008 they started shoving money into the stock market via quantitative easing, which actually has 2 issues: the stock market becoming irrational as anon said, and also the stock market being so excessively overvalued means that companies (mainly S&P500) can use their massive value to buy shit up and fund wacky projects like never before. this is mainly an issue because now instead of focusing how to get cheaper eggs or better housing, we are doing stupid ass vanity projects for tech giants

>>106280862
Most of America opposed the Moon landing.
https://newsletter.pessimistsarchive.org/p/most-americans-opposed-the-moon-landing

>>106280985
So? What does that have to do with the metaverse Zuck?

>>106279819 (OP)
Isn't there already plenty of specialised non-Nvidia inference hardware? Cerebras, Groq, Etched, etc.
I was under the impression that those banks of H100s are for training, not inference. Am I wrong about that?

If I'm right, then no I don't think AI inference is a house of cards. Training new models might be, but the existing ones are already very useful so serving them will be a competitive, eventually-profitable industry for at least another decade or so.

>>106281009
Beating China is worth every penny.

>>106281047
>>106281058
AI is not profitable. They're barely making any revenue. They're constantly faking their stats.
https://www.wheresyoured.at/ai-is-a-money-trap/

>>106281058
how is having a better AI than china going to help beat them

>>106281090
China shouldn't be able to evolve beyond making cheap plastic crap.

>>106281075
I don't know whether /creating/ AI models has any chance of profitability. It feels plausible that it might never be profitable.
But what about taking existing open models which you didn't pay to create (Deepseek, GLM, Qwen, whatever) and using specialised hardware to provide inference services? This is what Cerebras/Groq/Etched are doing and it seems like a much safer bet to me. If I wasn't such a poorfag, that's where I'd be investing right now.

>>106281108
you know apple has put 4 marshal plans worth of money into improving the manufacturing in china

>>106280006
This.

>>106280032
Google, Microsoft, Amazon are all using and seeking alternatives since NPUs are getting better.

>>106280460
Can you use it to code without waiting periodes ? Does the conversation still stop on a page without warning you ? I have the $20 version and I m thinking of upgrading to the $100. I wish I could afford to pay two hundred a month.

>>106281119
Look up how much money they're making. It's a joke.

>>106279819 (OP)
Not sure if there even needs to be "bubble burst".
Normies are already feed up with corporate AI bots, a large part marketing campaign is in the legal greyzone, news like water rationing is sparking public anger etc.

>>106281165
It gives you opus on claude code on the $100 plan. Auto changes to sonnet after that once you've hit opus limits. I went from $20/$100/$200 over a few months, don't regret it.
Really depends on your codebase though but for our existing one with all the retarded devs I work with and their 4000 line files it's a godsend.
I'm writing some new greenfields stuff and keeping all my files/modules a lot smaller, seems to not chew through the tokens as fast.
ccusage has me at $180 of api token use for the last week lol, that's only 5 days too

>>106280460
zoomzoom

>>106281186
There definitely is a bubble.
https://www.bloodinthemachine.com/p/the-ai-bubble-is-so-big-its-propping

>>106281209
Buy an ad!

>>106280397
>In reality they have nothing.
And you have even less because inflation via money printing is a tax via legalized counterfeiting.

>>106281108
cope loser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xumyEf-WRI

>>106281179
They aren't making shit though?
Sama sama has said they are losing money.
Anthropic CEO was saying they are losing money on the $200 plans, I said it my other comment, you can see how many api tokens you are using, i'm going well over $200/m
This is why GPT5 sucked so much, they're desperately trying tricks like batching and other things to make it cheaper, it's the main focus for these companies.
There's guys consuming $50k worth of credits in a month and reddit is fucking seething hard about it kek

I'm sure the AI bubble will burst. Not like it's been the most useful tech innovation in what, 10 years? GPU's become cheaper once the pressure starts to build on Nvidia. OpenAI and Nvidia are both Blackrock assets.

>>106281249
Fucking based I love getting more than I paid for based on company policies.

>>106280985
The author of that article almost exclusively quotes jews, who wanted all that funding to go into government programs and industries they already had control over. At least in the case of Kennedy, anything they could do to shit on the guy who opposed 'israel' having a nuclear program was also in their interest. Then there's the nigger, communist, and proto-hippie contingents.

All people that should have zero say in white countries.

I actually trade short term stocks everyday and not a crypto fag. Luddites are moron with the "ai is the new web dot com bubble".
in penny stocks ai stocks are rarely brought up. the most trending stock now is CGTX a generic Alzheimers biotech shit. And just a month ago the huge thing to get into were companies with crypto reserves like BMNR.
>what about this AUUD
this shit was on the radar for shills for a year. they threw everything at the wall, it finally moons a little and now luddites are heel kicking saying "aha! I knew it! dot com bubble"
>but all these bluechip companies are using ai now
thats not what the dot com bubble was. if this was the dot com bubble, then that would mean every single character hentai roleplay ai bot would form their own $STOCK ticker and enter the stock market and go up an insane amount.

So once again, like every community, luddites pretend they've always been apart of it, try to get ai banned, and then they leave. A few months ago it was environmentalism with the water scare.

Anyone whose into penny stocks and stocks in general could hardly give a shit about ai for investment purposes.

>>106281225
>crying this much
go back to /llmg/, the adults are talking

prest

>>106281264
>useful tech innovation
It has sure helped me find the source of manga and anime shit and whatnot. Google image search AI is great for that. And also all the porn generation. But otherwise? Seems like all it's doing is mentally fucking up weak-willed people, and letting the stupid ones make even bigger mistakes than they used to by hallucinating information that they then take as correct or making slow buggy code or whatnot.

>>106281209
>4000 line files
Fuck. I went back into coding, last time I code something I was 16yo trying c++ 98 coming from c. I tried chatgpt was stunned, then claude and it s even better. I try keeping my files under 200 lines, never >500 lignes. Thank I think I'll pay for the $100 version, it's so fun.

>>106281272
Any good tickers you want to shill?
I work in healthcare and people are just throwing money like candy around for AI shit now, I don't think it's going to stop anytime soon and US healthcare spending is a huge market.

>>106281268
I am an ultrazionist. They should all just be sent to israel to live in their sand castle. I feel bad for jews who are actually good people and get made to look so bad by the majority though. Occasionally you have a rothbardt

>>106279819 (OP)
every new tech operates at a loss and is funded by investors until profitable or deemed not worth it. youtube and uber for example

>>106281288

I haven't seen the amount of retards increase by AI. Before ChatGPT we still had flat earth retards etc. Nothing changed but the fact that I don't have to browse through stackoverflow threads from 2011 with fixes to my problems if I were using PHP5.

As a matter of fact I just use codex now more and more. The quality of my life has improved tenfold.

>>106281298
Im in $PEW
Im not going to write a sales pitch. If you are actually interested in stocks, just look at the Top Comments on various penny stock sub reddits and read some DD.

absolutely avoid /biz/ like the plague at all costs.

>>106281312
openai is burning 5B a month in VC while pulling 800M in revenue, and has some sort of bizarre employee buy-in plan which places its value around 500B. go look at some other companies valued at 500B and see what their revenues are. i'm guessing that burn rate gets worse since gpt5 uses 8x as much electricity as gpt-4o.

the only way it course corrects on that burn is to stop training new models, or to radically jack up the pricing model. either one hits the brakes on the hype train.

this company is so far underwater, and sinking remarkably fast. it's going to be a complete disaster once someone (who isn't on their payroll) tries to figure out what to do with its balance sheet.

>>106281272
Look at the valuation/revenue ratio of random companies barely any revenue, no competitive product, and no profit on the horizon.
Cerebras - 13
Groq - 17
OpenAI is looking for >50. >100 if we're not multiplying their best month by 12.
Thinking Machines is at a $12B valuation with no revenue and no product and 50 employees.

>>106281386
For reference, that's about two AMDs or five Intels.

>>106281249
We're in the use and abuse era of AI right now. Once it gets abused enough they are gonna put on very hard limits, but that won't happen until the free money goes away.

>>106281334
How much would you be willing to pay for that a month?

>>106281412
thats nice.
So tell me about all the people buying ticker $GPT and putting their lifesavings into like its $GME and $AMC. Because that would be an actual bubble and not trannies larping about knowing accounting like a few months ago they larped about being electrical and water engineers.

>>106281446
>We haven't reached peak bubble so the bubble doesn't exist.
Institutional investors will keep blowing air into the bubble until ordinary investors are left holding the bag. That's obvious.
The fact that you're comparing a supposedly serious technology like AI to Reddit memestocks is telling.

CAPTCHA: G0YSA

>>106281295
did you try making an actual product and not amateur hour shit? gpt sucks at nonslop programming.

>>106281463
lol okay.
>a few months ago
>everyone is an electrician and very concerned with water usage
>electricians "holy fuck you trannies are retarded"
>now
>everyone is a finance major and very concerned with this bubble

Im already calling it. the next fad by luddites is ai turning men into mysogynists.

>>106281463
>until ordinary investors are left holding the bag. That's obvious.
also, what bag? What are these various ai stocks that the penny stock community are holding? because the top trending stock now is CGTX and months ago it was a fucking Golf Manufacturer company.

>>106281481
>Im already calling it. the next fad by luddites is ai turning men into mysogynists.
Finally a good reply on the chans, I have been waiting.
People are on a.i.d.s
Artificial Intelligence Derangement Syndrome.

>>106281481
Characteristics of a bubble -
Unusual changes in single measures, or relationships among measures (e.g., ratios) relative to their historical levels.
Elevated usage of debt (leverage) to purchase assets.
Higher risk lending and borrowing behavior.
Rationalizing borrowing, lending, and purchase decisions based on expected future price increases rather than the ability of the borrower to repay.
Rationalizing asset prices by increasingly weaker arguments.
A high presence of marketing or media coverage related to the asset.
Incentives that place the consequences of bad behavior by one economic actor upon another.
International trade (current account) imbalances, resulting in an excess of savings over investments, increasing the volatility of capital flow among countries.
A lower interest rate environment, which encourages lending and borrowing.

AI in its current state checks all of these boxes.

>>106279845
I'm wondering if it's mostly because half of the world started to invest in US stock market in a kind of bubble since it always performed well? Do we have numbers on capital breakdown and how it evolved?

>>106280655
Part of it is CUDA, but a bigger part of it is cuBLAS. Even if you write a CUDA interop layer for AMD in Vulkan using compute shaders, you can't use nVidia's high performance linear algebra libraries. Another aspect of it is that AMD's cards are unstable buggy dogshit, geohotz tried and failed to build an ML stack using AMD because of how shitty their GPU drivers and firmware are

>>106281496
Most AI companies aren't public. Let's look at one that is public. Palantir is at a p/e ratio of 600, three times what Cisco was at the peak of the dot-com bubble.
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/08/12/palantir-might-be-the-most-overvalued-firm-of-all-time

>>106281562
>geohotz tried and failed to build an ML stack using AMD because of how shitty their GPU drivers and firmware are
He wrote his own driver to solve that issue, then made AMD GPUs work over USB and is planning to use that for his autonomous driving company. And then he got his AMD computer server on mlperf and intends to deliver numbers on par with Nvidia's by the end of this year.

>>106281520
lol. but I dont think it'll catch on. for every 1 trending thing on 4chan like based boys there were a hundred other failed memes.

>>106281533
>>106281575
>anti ai trannies who complain about people using ai to be experts in things they dont know anything about are now themselves using it to be experts in things they didnt care about literally 1 month ago

lmao. once again im calling it. a few months from now the anti ai trannies will be psychologist experts and referencing various theories that parallel with ai and how "we have a serious mysogynist problem with ai"

>>106281637
Not an argument.

>>106279819 (OP)
This is all retarded, but the last step is speciallyretarded

>>106281440

Well, ideally nothing. My current plan is to say I "need" it for work and make work pay for it. Usually I just steal things I don't really pay for anything.

>>106281476
Yes, I'm making 3 softwares, something like kodi, sonarr and a client torrent with a secret radical twist, all in c++. All Works great, just need to polish it. Will release it on /a/ and ask for beta test help.

>>106281311
I just want fair and legal treatment. A speedy public trial and conviction before stripping the assets of criminals and sending them to prison. The rest can be deported. All government funding will be cut.

I mean, look at what they get away with right now. This guy should be spending the rest of his life in prison.

>>106281562
I don't need cuBLAS to mash 4x4 transformation matrices together. Their drivers are fine, devs need to stop rewarding companies that do vendor lock-in bullshit.

>>106279819 (OP)
>the $500 API is being utilized by 30 people paying $200
>the $1000 compute is being used by 500 APIs paying $500
>only one nvidia chip per single $200 user
see the problem here?

Do bubbles even matter anymore? No one ever learns, nothing ever changes, the same rich retards are still rich putting their endless money into the next bubble.

>>106280593
The funny thing is, all the bailouts could've been done like literally every single private money "bailout" is done. Which is by issuing new stock in exchange for the bailout. This of course completely dilutes the old ownership away and they lose almost everything they've put into the company. But for some reason they just gave free money to these jews who completely destroyed the lives of millions of people.

Of course the government doesn't want to be owning and operating multiple banks. But they could sell them off over the span of a couple of years after they've fired every single executive.

>>106281842
>Do bubbles even matter anymore?
It's not a matter from learning from mistakes. It's just regular market activity.

a pivotal set of investments
>bitcoin, ethereum
has regular market cycles
>bitcoin is at $20,000. the bubble is about to pop! (yes for all the zoomers here, $20,000 was considered grossly overvalued at one point)
and then a bunch of Chinese knock off companies form
>Maidsafe coin, Bytecoin
and then people lose money on the Chinese knock off companies or have no situational awareness of market cycles.

Thats what the scary "bubbles" the luddites are referring to. They dont realize that ChatGPT, Grok, Gemini etc are the Bitcoin and Ethereum of this "bubble"

The luddites are now getting a huge boner over the thought of a 2008 recession again. But they dont realize after every major crash a bunch of regulation is passed so we can never have repeats of what caused these crashes again. Thats why the 2020 Covid crash barely did anything to investors. Thats why it's retarded to think regulators would allow another dot com bubble to form.

Cope and seethe.

>>106279845
>the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent
That quote didn't originally mean what your post said. I think you missed the point.

>>106279845
>the majority of American's lives are getting worse
you got a source on that one?

>>106282123
>But they dont realize after every major crash a bunch of regulation is passed so we can never have repeats of what caused these crashes again.
lol. No you don't. You get legislation passed from compromised legislators, written by the companies themselves and the regulatory agencies they've already captured with talmudic loopholes for them to keep doing what they were doing before, all as a circus sideshow for the retarded goyim to make them think voting still matters.

>>106282123
yeah bitcoin is totally a useful currency and not a proof-of-concept taken way too far
who doesn't love bitcoin's fast and cheap transactions?

>>106279882
>>106279912

The USD won't collapse - but losing its status as the world reserve currency will be equivalent to a collapse. It also won't be a sudden event but rather an ongoing weakening - day by day the dollar is worth just a tiny bit less, and those tiny increments add up over time.

It's already happening, it is unavoidable. To deny this is to play emperor's new clothes. The dollar has already lost an undeniable amount of purchasing power.

>>106282186
You can’t measure happiness on a graph, but looking at inflation compared to wage growth, and inflation on lot of mandatory household spending like rent/property prices, school tuition and hospital bills the reality does not look good. Especially among young people who are just entering the job market and don’t have saved up wealth from the good times.

I mostly use AI as a replacement for code snippets and to automate the boring stuff or to write quick prototypes which will never see production to test ideas.

>>106281288
>and letting the stupid ones make even bigger mistakes than they used to by hallucinating information that they then take as correct or making slow buggy code or whatnot.
True, but when you know exactly what you want and can just select a bunch of variables and type
>dump these into a file, serialize to JSON
It can save some time and I don't have to write any boilerplate, it feels pretty magical.

>>106281334
>I haven't seen the amount of retards increase by AI
It’s hard to see increase in number of retards. Internet makes the world look more retarded and crazy then it actually is because it highlights the stupidest or most interesting stuff that the billions of people are doing right now.

>>106279819 (OP)
>Not knowing that the stock markets have be divorced of human input since 2011
Anon, I...

>>106282207
The plan is obviously to default on debt payments and the $37T debt itself.
Administrations are just playing musical chairs—hoping it doesn’t happen in their administration.

>>106282201
thats nice. now look up the regulation that resulted from Enron and tell me what new company did the same thing Enron did.
its like people have no fundamental concept of the SEC and just think market-police glowies materialize from thin air at random points in history and come out with arbitrary rules.

Why am I bother even interacting with you fags anyway? I doubt any of you actually trade stocks.

>>106279819 (OP)
yea but if it actually does what they are promising then it will be worth the full cost of renting out the model and whatever associated hardware might need to go along with it

>>106282026
Whatever they would have done back then would have imploded the economy anyway. They chose a path which they thought would guarantee "stability" and uphold the neoliberal globohomo regime worldwide, because they are nu-commies, but we're now reaping the consequences of that decision with skyrocketing inflation, currency devaluation and retarded housing prices. They didn't want to see asset deflation because their retarded neoliberal doctrine really hates it for some reason, ok fine you're just going to see currency deflation.

>>106282425
At this point I'm certain that the best action in situations like this is no action. Let them fail, yeah it will momentarily collapse the market but that's a lot healthier than trying to desperately keep it on life support. The crash will fix the problem and the money would be better spent on food stamps for those that suffered in the crash.

>>106282410
>yea but if it actually does what they are promising

>>106282186
Are you retarded, or just acting in bad faith?

Leave your childhood bedroom and drive (or Uber in your case I'm assuming) on any access road in any major American city (or hell, even suburbs now) and you'll see homeless encampments. The amount of US citizens living paycheck to paycheck is at an all-time high since it's been recorded.

It is becoming blazingly clear how quickly people are being left behind as the cost of even basic essentials and treats becomes exponentially more expensive.

I use a thing called the brain

You should try it, Zoomers

Service models all have a financial incentive to making their products as worse as possible so you don't use them. For them, the optimal user is one that pays and never uses their product.

The AI bubble isn't comparable to the crpyto and NFT bubble, because AI provides an actual "product". You can debate whether the product is worth using, I personally say not, but it's there. At a recent medical appointment the doctor turned on an AI to record it and take notes for him. That side of things isn't going to go away, it's just in early stage "IT'S ALL CHEAP AND FREE :^)" market share growth at all costs mode, and eventually it's going to turn into subscription tiers and enshittification mode. But we're at least a decade or two away from that. In the case of crypto and NFTs, there was no actual product just speculation and monopoly money. There COULD have been a viable crypto if regular stores accepted it early enough, but the scammers and speculators got to it first and we all know how that turned out.

>>106281225
you will never be a real janny, tranny

>>106281288
>Google image search AI is great for that
this is just what regular image search was capable of before they intentionally neutered it because black people kept being categorized as gorillas

>>106279819 (OP)
dotcom 2.0?
also invest in biotech/pharma, that's where AI actually works with molecular research
shitty chatbots will burst that's for sure

>>106282351

And we will default - and when we do millions of excess deaths will occur globally as the welfare state that the USA finances in the G7 nations will collapse.

This will sound callous and cruel to feel, but I can't say I'm not looking forward to it. So many beneficiaries of the G7 welfare state are the most undeserving, arrogant, willfully ignorant, incompetent and lazy people to ever walk the earth.

If I could wipe out the wealthiest and most powerful people on earth AND the welfare kings and queens - I would in a heartbeat. Obviously systemic change will also be required to prevent new wealthy elites and new welfare kings and queens from emerging.

>>106282545
>I personally say not
two actually important things is AI doing routine design tasks for chip design and folding proteins for pharma

>>106282595
You're right, there's certainly various specialized roles AI can competently take, my skepticism is directed at "this AI can summarize google searches and it only takes the whole US power grid to do it!" pseudo-products.

>>106282574
>>106282595
>>106282624
>I want to do OnlyFans while Ai checks for tears in my anal lining and cures cancer, I dont want Ai to replace OnlyFans for me!

>>106282648
saving hundreds thousands of man hours on things an intern can do is a blessing

>>106282648
If I need to get my bum checked I'd rather have it be some AI then some dude's hand

is the life of an american worse today than it was in 2007

>>106282698
>AI response: Instructions unclear initiating front anus vaginoplasty now.

>>106282702
2000s were great and peak humanity.
2010s was the worst decade in human history
2020s is pretty sweet though.

>>106282502
>Leave your childhood bedroom and drive (or Uber in your case I'm assuming)
So much projection. I bought a house last year with money I saved up from my first job out of college. Homeless camps I see around are down significantly from 4 years ago.
everyone I grew up with is either doing extremely well financially, or never got off their ass to finish college/get a job.

it's our time soon

>>106282759
>doing extremely well financially
>more money is printed
>more money is trickling down to circulate in the system
>inflation outpaces increases in pay
>BRO WE BE ROLLING IN DE MANI BRUUUU
typical NPC tard

>>106282759
Cute fanfiction, but just put the fries in the bag pal.

>>106282759
>I bought a paper house for 300k with no garage or driveway, I'm doing fine guise

>>106281734
Yeah for gaming who cares, CUDA lock in is an ML ecosystem problem, literally nothing to do with gaming

>>106282937
Try $450k lol

>burst in 2025
lol

>>106283017
we're so fucked lmao

>>106282903
have you considered that maybe your “everything is bad for everyone” worldview is the fanfiction?
>>106282937
brick, 2 car garage. built back in ‘54 when times were oh so much better. Fact of the matter is it just wasn’t that hard to save up 80k for a down payment on an 80k salary.

>>106282998
It is a gaming issue, if the devs need tensor cores to make up for shitty optimization.

>>106283064
Being skeptical of the housing market isn't being pro-homelessness. Why are you so emotional about this?

>>106279872
This. Previous bubbles don't pop any longer.

>>106283183
i wonder why...

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

>>106283046
I ain't buying a $2.5k GPU, bro. Nice try tho.

>>106279819 (OP)
Except AWS doesn't rely on people paying $200 to spit out code that you can't understand. So AWS is at the bottom of the pyramid, therefore keep investing into Amazon.

>>106283227
Amazon is the only Mag7 stock that isn't ridiculously overvalued.

Why is OpenAI paying AWS anything and not just using Azure don't MS basically own them

>>106283064
Lmao at least my worldview is based on actual facts and economic trends and not some embarrassing larp.

You can be scared of the growing economic depression, you can deny it too. It doesn't matter, it's here.

>>106283064
>taking out a $(450-80)k loan for a 71 year old house on an $80k salary
You got scammed bro. I make more than that and I would never take such a bad deal.

>>106283064
>>106283290
By the way it used to be possible to buy a whole house, not just the down payment, in 2-3 years of a modest salary.

>>106283260
That part is classic tech fraud. Microsoft "invests" money in OpenAI. OpenAI gets a ridiculous valuation. OpenAI takes out a contract with that money with Azure, which Microsoft gives out to OpenAI at a loss. Azure revenues go up, so MSFT stock goes up.
So everyone's bleeding cash, but investors keep making money. Funny how that works.

>>106283290
I bought a > 100 year old house for $450, my mortgage is $3100 a month.

>that's a scam bro
That's what houses cost now. Unless you choose to live in the middle of nowhere or rent forever. Could be worse, I could have a mortgage this high and be poor. My house value is already up $100k and it's been a year.

>>106283143
>tensor cores to make up for shitty optimization
or just optimize the game so that it works well across different gpus

>yeah but they're not going to do that
sure but that's not AMD's fault

>>106283340
>My house value is already up $100k and it's been a year.

now that's a sign of a healthy economy if i've ever seen one

>>106283290
>71 year old house
houses don’t go stale.

>>106280679
Watch the Fed lower anyways.

>>106279819 (OP)
between not having enough electricity (transformer shortages), extreme overvaluation on AI, and companies basically making up how long their equipment will last and not need to be replaced... yes, it is a huge bubble

>>106283209
This. Which also means:
>there are no bubbles

>>106283442
They mold, settle, foundations decay and crack, pipes rust, paint flakes, the roof gets old and leaks, they absolutely go stale and rot, even brick falls apart eventually.
The only reason house prices go up over time is because of money creation by banks which is only allowed because the Federal Reserve, an unelected and barely overseen non-government agency, says it's allowed.

>>106282186
this country peaked in the 90s and its been downhill since. very obvious to anyone paying attention.

>>106280822
Simple:
>nuclear warheads in your backyard
gg ez no re

>>106283493
...except the ones you can't borrow enough to cover
too big not to fail ™

>>106280985
Most Burgers couldn't find Canada on a map, let alone the moon.

>>106283519
If your investors no longer exist, their investments no longer exist.

>>106283426
I don't control the markets
>>106283442
You have to maintain them, I've already had thousands of dollars in shit I had to replace / repair.

>>106283481
it would destroy the market but I selfishly want to refi

AI isn't a house of cards but I think the growth is logarithmic but the vibe coders are pretending its exponential

>>106281724
He is going back to Israel but he's been placed on leave and is going to be charged.

>>106282275
Burgers love higher prices. Makes them feel richer.
(I'm not joking, btw.)

>>106279819 (OP)
The premise is wrong. The real energy cost of tokens is not that high. There is a huge premium because we exist in a rapidly evolving market with transient monopolies.

>>106281288
>my life revolves around anime and hentai
>therefore AI does nothing except find and create anime and hentai

>>106283654
Unironically true.

>>106283290
>>106283508
older houses are unironically better than the new construction trash built by mexicans out of the cheapest materials possible. Golden age of US housing was ~1955-1965.
>still used old growth timbers in most places, much better wood
>hardwood floors were mostly done with old growth timber, are MUCH sturdier and harder than modern farmed trash
>used copper pipes for water lines
>new enough that you don't deal with ball and tube wiring, old enough that you don't deal with aluminum wiring
unless you're gigarich you can't even have the level of work that went into old houses done these days because the industry has centralized around economy solutions. the materials simply don't exist anymore for many of the things. Yeah there are issues like tinderbox electrical panels and old clay sewer pipes but I'd rather spend like $20k to fix those than have inherent problems with the overall quality of materials used in the home

>>106283649
If he does any time at all, it'll be house arrest in Israel for 6 months, instead of 20 years in prison here around blacks. It isn't justice. It's literally in their religious texts they are allowed to molest non-jews. Hell, they just had a major political blow-up over whether the IDF were allowed to rape prisoners in Israel with more than half the population saying it was their right to do so.

>>106283668
>implying any of ChatGPT Enterprise, ChatGPT Team, or ChatGPT Edu is a useful product.

>>106283709
>>>/pol/
us /g/oyim work for jews/work so we can work for jews

>>106283714
AlphaFold is

>>106283560
the moon isn’t on most maps

>>106283227
based blink

>>106283727
Check out the latest rankings. The Chinese dominate.
https://www.predictioncenter.org/casp16/zscores_final.cgi

>>106283721
I spend enough time on /g/ to know that isn't the case. Show us the kosher light switch gimmick for keyboards that's allowing you to post on shabbat, rabbi.

>>106279845
Things have only gotten "worse" during the covid period in America. Otherwise, everyone and their grandparents now hold a super computer smartphone in their hand that has access to super intelligence that can give the entire knowledge of the world in their palm. Make all the decisions on their device that can be bought cheaply for $20 at a walmart. We have global highspeed internet, close to a super intelligence, domestic production coming back to America, a president that prioritizes American citizens over illegal foreigners crossing the borders

>>106283325
>Google/Anthropic/TPU credits
>Amazon/HuggingFace or Anthropic on AWS
>Meta’s reality labs insanity
You mean they are all doing this??

>>106279845
>the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent
During the start of COVID I had the genius prediction that Disney would close their theme parks so I bought Disney puts. Sure enough, I think the very next day they announced they were closing their theme parks and I was like holy shit I'm about to be loaded. Then their stock price went up and my puts expired out of the money. Over five years later (holy shit I can't believe it's been that long) I still have not had a bigger wtf moment in stock trading.

>>106283883
damn corporate welfare is evolving
late stage capitalism is something else

>>106283518
>very obvious to anyone paying attention
not a source

>>106283227
>>106283765
>"""people""" actually simp this

>>106283508
>The only reason house prices go up over time is because of money creation by banks which is only allowed because the Federal Reserve, an unelected and barely overseen non-government agency, says it's allowed.
House prices go up because houses have tangible value that isn't tied to the financial system. People rightfully perceive them to be a safe investment, which creates demand, which results in increased prices. If the dollar stops existing tomorrow your house isn't going to magically collapse.

>>106283676
What's wrong with VCP?

>>106283874
>prioritizes americans
h2b would like a chat

>>106282545
I don’t think Crypto failed because stores didn’t accept it fast enough. I think there are two other major reasons why it failed.

First one is because of Bitcoin. Bitcoin was inherently flawed with the whole mining idea and the small amount of the coins themselves. If you wanted to replace dollar with bitcoin you would need at least hundreds of trillions of them to be possible to circulate around, and introduce them in smarter ways then just mining, because this just leads to the currency being inherently deflationary and as a result great place to store wealth for investors.

The second problem is that giving governments the ability to print money is not inherently bad thing to do. It helps you get out of a crisis relatively easily and then just raise interest rates when times are good to repay the prosperity. And even if you disagree with that governments all around the world don’t want to give up this power.

>>106280550
I don't like this image because it implies AI isn't something that affects reality.

It's literally shaping international politics.

You could say "just disconnect from society and go live in the sticks."
Ignoring the fact that's a difficult life, and I doubt sustainable alone. It's also expensive initially and requires a specific set of skills.
I'd say you're not disconnected either.
Governments and corporations are destroying our environment to build data centers.
They're destroying our environment to provide energy for these data centers. Even if it's solar, that's still land being cleared for energy. Most native plants can't grow there. Most animals can't live there.

The knock on consequences make me imagine a scenario in my mind like: you're a homesteader in Alaska for and the permafrost melts and your entire property is ruined and your house collapses into a sinkhole.

What recourse do you have?

>>106285217
And that doesn't even take into account the fact that even if you do manage to find a place to build a livable shack in the middle of nowhere without being bothered, you're still condemned to a life of solitude, and you must either condemn your children to the same solitude or let them run off to be fed into the meatgrinder while you waste away your last years alone again.

>>106284840
100k a year to make America into a global AI super power. 90% of America's AI talent is from top talent in foreign country that build American tech supremacy

>>106279836
this

>>106283932
No, wonder - you're retarded.
Their parks are a money sink.
Meanwhile they earned billions from streaming due to everyone being stuck at home.

>>106285303
The reason americans aren't into it is because they don't get paid. The Meta leak proved the wrong people are in AI

>>106285274
I spent some more time thinking about it and yeah. It would be an illegal ramshackle shed in most places.

I don't know about super isolated rural states like AK or MO, but typically you need to get building approval, have an engineer check off on the blueprint. Get your property demarcated. Meet county or state building code. Have it notarized by the county. Etc. etc.

Only two things in life are certain, death and taxes.

>>106279819 (OP)
it seems that VC = $nvda

>>106285333
Meta is paying billion dollar per talent. For immigrants. They are not there for cheap labor. There are no Americans who are getting paid 1B for AI, because they dont exist.

>>106279897
Thanks mommy

>>106283932
you didnt know?
you're supposed to buy the rumor, sell the news
if you got BTFO it was probably priced in..

>>106282545
>The AI bubble isn't comparable to the crpyto and NFT bubble, because AI provides an actual "product".
But it provides it at a massive loss. That just isn't sustainable; the businesses are critically dependent on investor funding for operational costs, a crazy situation to be in. At some point the appetite of VCs for propping it all up with evaporate, and the whole thing will collapse. When that happens, it'll go fast because losses of confidence work like that.
If I knew when this would happen, I'd be shorting like a bandit.

>>106279872
Not sure about this, AI has basically been sold as the “everything machine” even more than previous bubbles. It’s difficult to complete with literally utopic fiction

>>106279819 (OP)
The problem was obvious when:

- Microsoft is restarting part of 3 Mile Island.
- Meta needs data center space about the size of Downtown Manhattan.

>>106285698
And yet, one escape and problems were solved that were considered unsolveable by this billion dollar talent.

>>106286114
I wonder if the next Chernobyl will happen because of AI.

>>106280080
>groq
VLIW meme
they WILL NOT have a capable compiler, and companies won't care to hire capable enough people to go through the soul-crushing process of manually writing WLIV-type assembly just so they can buy an AI hardware startup's chips when they can just buy nJudea shit
that company is so doomed it's hilarious, but they did it to themselves

the only somewhat serious AI hardware company is tenstorrent
wormhole was decent, blackhole was a flop, curious to see how quasar will turn out

>>106285930
LLM is turing-complete saar it is proven can be reasoning about anything it changes everything saar

>>106279819 (OP)
What problem? I'm not losing any money, the big companies and scam startups are. I'm just temporarily using them.

>>106279882
If only usury and speculation were outlawed and currency was backed by something tangible like labor.

>>106279819 (OP)
There's no problem considering those VC funds also invest in Nvidia.

>>106279872
Everything is literally in cloud infrastructure and Google Microsoft and Amazon are the biggest companies on earth partially because of this.
Crypto is a scam. This is true.

>>106283654
>Burgers love higher prices. Makes them feel richer.
Yeah, that's why everyone is fucking complaining about them and places like McDonald's are having huge drops in sales

>>106282759
>I bought a house last year with money I saved up from my first job out of college.
Sure thing, faggot.

Need less code not more code. Too much complexity.

>>106280465
How much more surveillance do they need? In 2025 know who the chuds are and the glownigger plants are more cost effective.

>>106286418
I continually poison them with simple browser plug-ins that ask stupid questions with lots of "trigger words"

Continually means continually. All night and all day I have queries running. I do it at work, too, when I have access to more browsers and "pro" tier access.

>>106279845
It has been divorced for much longer than that. 2008 should have been the watershed movement, but baby boomers didn't want their retirement evaporate overnight when they were able to enter it.
The much overdued correction will happen once baby boomers die in mass numbers from simple mortality. It will be very bumpy ride that will make great depression like a minor recession by comparison.
80% of the funny money held in the assets will disappear

>>106286250
wrong

>>106282207
Hyperinflation has been going on however most of is masked in the assets. It is slowly bleeding out into the commodities and luxuries.

>>106279819 (OP)
I see no problems

>>106282392
Lehman Brothers, AIG, FTX. Not exactly the same thing but very much in the ballpark. Like I said. It's creative talmudic jewish accounting practices and regulatory agencies didn't prevent shit.

>>106279941
you just agreed with him without negating anything he said, retard

I let the energy wasters do the hard work, I wait for the efficiency/optimizations and "fine tuning" to come out and then I produce adequate results using a 1080ti. Because of how it is still learning...those higher end graphics cards still didn't produce such results 2-3 years ago so I have wasted literally nothing but $150 for a used 7+ year old card.

>>106279819 (OP)
>government prints more money in the name of natsec and gives it to these companies and investment banks
there will never be a strict bubble pop ever again, only rampant inflation

>>106286490
>no mention of profit increase

:/

>>106279819 (OP)
It's hardware operated literal pyramid scheme (nvidia is at the top...) which will burst unless energy somehow becomes free. Except drastic increase in kikery in next few years.

>>106279819 (OP)
insha'Allah the bubble will burst, and the economic consequences will be so bad it causes the US to balkanize.

>>106283874
>everyone and their grandparents now hold a super computer smartphone in their hand that has access to super intelligence that can give the entire knowledge of the world in their palm
A smartphone isn't really good for anything.

>>106279897
I live alone on solar power.

>>106279819 (OP)
>you pay your entire paycheck to 4 tech stocks
>billionaires with their trillions in wealth can fund it forever
>government will fund it forever
There is no getting off this train, either AI or WW3

>>106289480
Why dont you buy your company stock instead of buying that new gpu or computer or spending it on vape? Or buy the tech stocks so you can also get rich as they grow?

>>106280468
They don't allow sexting tho how do you goon?

>>106289521
>you
What I do has little effect on society. Why don't YOU assassinate the leaders of blackrock and vangaurd

>>106283874
>domestic production coming back to America, a president that prioritizes American citizens
The minerals needed to produce steel locally aren't going to be extracted on their own. Get in the mine, Anon, or the pedo in chief will have to gift more territory in Alaska to god emperor Putin

>>106279845
This is the truth. And during covid or since it just became unreal with all these scam companies being worth 100s of billions, most of which is belly up now

>>106289480
>or
That's cute.
It's AI then WW3.

>>106279819 (OP)
api costs have massively deflated over time though and will likely continue to. Compare the price of GPT-5 high on the api to GPT-4 when the latter first came out. Order of magnitude reduction. This will likely continue. poster in OP pic is a retard

>>106292169
Nigga if prices are going DOWN then nobody's making enough money.

>>106293486
Sam Altman just did an interview where he said OpenAI makes money on inference. Anthropic definitely has fat margins on inference. As models become more efficient (e.g GPT-5 thinking token use is much lower for comparable responses compared to o3), and algorithmic progress continues allowing model makers to train smaller models with comparable output (just look at the capabilities of models of the same size now compared to 2 years ago), it won't be long before value added inference resellers like Cursor, et al are break even and then profitable. Literally everybody will win. Denial of the inevitability is a sign of low intelligence or typical contrarianism

>>106293699
>Sam Altman said
what a trustworthy source

It's important not to oversimplify what exactly the bubble is. Think about the dotcom bust, it didn't mean that the internet wasn't a paradigm-shifting breakthrough that ended up making everyone a lot of money, just that the way it was being implemented for profit at the time, the way in which sites were being massively overvalued, wasn't sustainable. It's the same thing here, it's not a matter of whether AI is good or bad, it's the behaviours surrounding it that are the problem. Coreweave is valued at 20 times what it's worth on paper and it loses hundreds of millions of dollars a quarter. It's the same thing at Pets.com offering at $80,000,000.

>>106279830
fpbp
>>106279897
gridlet detected, opinion rejected

>>106293699
Just because your favorite faggot claimed something is true doesn't mean "Open"AI is going to make all of its money back. It's fucking NEGATIVE across the board and it's going to stay that way until it crashes.

>>106281058
>Beating China is worth every penny.

>>106279990
>Yeah, what happened to NFT's?
They're still there and some non-trivial amount of money flows around still.
But really the big hot ball of some 11 figure amount of capital flowed into memecoins since they were kind of the logical conclusion of NFTs. More liquid. Just as stupid. More instant gratification etc.
Now that will be an interesting one to watch evaporate when it's fully extracted.

>>106280593
I know Obama claimed he was against gay marriage BEFORE he was elected, but every president's tenure changes him. These people don't actually have real values.
And what Obama did in 2012 by repealing the Chris Mundt act was the true beginning of woke being enforced on society.

So you can pretend to be some enlightened contrarian, but the truth is, annoying alt right can be correct about something and you don't have to disagree with them out of spite.

>>106279819 (OP)
>business pays 50 * $200 a year for employees to have Cursor
>more gets done (cope seethe and dilate about it)

>>106282123
What legislation can prevent a bubble from popping?

>>106279963
>using solar instead of running a mini nuclear reactor
lmao

>>106296654
>legislation
the money printer

the entire US tech sector runs on DOD funding, news at 11

>>106279819 (OP)
capitalism is not sustainable

>>106296835
>capitalism is when the state funds weapons research through poorly camoflaged front companies

>>106296841
thats part of it yes

>>106296845
and glorious socialism is when the state admits it controls google et al directly

>>106296855
i guess, i dont know why you would bring that up

>>106296861
so to an ardent socialist the issue here is merely one of form?

>>106279819 (OP)
When there is a gold rush, sell shovels.

>>106281272
>>106281298
these posts read like something out of a bruce sterling novel kek....we in da future...

>>106296841
>>106296855

So how is that bubble doing now that I got you rare metals?

>>106283649
he went back to a nation of pedos (oddly not india). he'll get off