Thread 106280532

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 14400F budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards. Issues still reported & latest BIOS doesn't protect new CPUs.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.
ASUS WOLED with TrueBlack Glossy film launched (XG32UCWMG, XG32UCWG). Limited availability.

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>he doesnt have a doom themed rtx5080
ngmi

>>106280572
The new Doom game is total shit though

>>106280586
based on some arbitrary sales numbers that you decided are required for a game to be good?

>>106280586
stop poorfagging in muh pcbg
go back >>106238915

>>106280599
Based on the fact that it's worse than every other Doom game that came before it

How's this for a $1000 1440p gaming build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GQcpwY

pic related is what I mean by cheap side project along with the 6600K + z170 + 1070. I'm either going to be streaming on it or using it as a 2nd PC so that I can run dedicated voice changing ai on it. I'm not splurging on anything and I think the monitor is going to be the easiest to find used on facebook or ebay

>>106280515
>Also, why are you looking for a heatsink without fans? Your system (Both the 5700x and 6600K) don't need a particularly big heatsink for good, quiet cooling. $20 will get you something that'll work great.
I have a bunch of spare 140mm fans lying around and it slightly pissed me off that I can't just amazon search "140mm cpu heatsink" and get a good deal on one without overpriced fans shoved into the box.

>>106280600
>just buy used, your cpu/mbo will probably not even support new 3600Mhz DDR4 RAM. just get some older, cheaper 2666 Mhz ram and overclock that as much as you're able.
I don't like that I'm getting so old that posters are looking at the stuff I bought for myself as a teenager and going "damn I don't even know if that will work with modern stuff anymore grandpa"
):

>>106280572
join the Republic of Gamers now

>>106280639
well done. I strongly suggest the 7700x if you can afford it for the 2 extra cores but what you have now will 100% work for 1440p

>>106280639
dont buy micro atx
get 2 tb nvme
if you upped the budget a 5070 super that releases a bit later would be much better

>>106280621
I liked it more

>>106280672
it's fine. the limiting factor in CPU peroformance is the power wall and the leakage power dissipated into the cooler. 25% less cores means 25% less heat means your clock speeds won't be throttled as often. That's why it bench tests 20% weaker despite having 25% less cores while saving you 30% of the cost
>>106280674
cmon now you don't need a 2tb nvme. get a 1tb now and save for a 4-8 tb hdd later for your movies and games be reasonable he's on a budget
>5070
don't pay a premium for an nvidia 5070 if you want price-performance ratio

Haven't built a PC in a long time. Looking at a high end workstation build.
Wondering what the catch is with this mobo, it seems insanely good for the price.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mVYfrH/gigabyte-b850-ai-top-atx-am5-motherboard-b850-ai-top
>why do you need two 10Gbps network ports?
I dunno but I just do

>>106280658
For about $200, you could go for something like this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6vDWqH
I don't know anything about that Philips monitor, but the parts I selected are going to be faster and give you more wattage for your system.

>>106280639
Get the Thermalright Assassin X 120 Refined SE over that cooler, it's a better design, that case is plenty big enough to accommodate the bigger cooler.

Currently have an i9 14900KS machine. It has had a ton of stability issues, and as I understand it Intel's microcode updates only stops _new_ damage/instability.

I'm just tired of it, and am going to build a new PC. Was originally thinking about revisiting AMD (My last chip from them was a Phenom II 965 BE... what an incredible era lol). But the 9950X3D just doesn't seem to stack up against the 14900KS [source: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-14900KS-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X3D/m2295306vsm2397800 ]

I see that Intel has a new family of chips, so I checked out Core 9 Ultra 285K... That also doesn't seem to stack up to the 14900KS.

Stupid Questions:
- Do new intel chips have same stability problems that affected 13th and 14th gen?
- Should I just build another 14900KS system (since microcode allegedly fixed degradation, a new 14900KS chip would theoretically not have stability issues)
- Any compelling reason to consider AMD? Obvoiusly it's a very capable chip, and even though the last 15 years of PCs have been intel based I have a lot of love and nostalgia for team red.
- Since my workload is 100% gaming (stalker 2, hell let loose, whatever) and not CPU bound, am I complicating things?

Yes, I've looked at logical increments. I'm more stuck in the thinking that "I want the absolute best components money can buy, and in my pursuit of stability I'm jeapordizing 10% raw theoretical performance)

>>106280735
Clearly the answer is to get another 14900KS or a binned 14900K

>>106280718
1 modern game is >100gb
1 season of a tv show at good quality is 30gb
1 flac music album is several gb's

mobos have limited m.2 slots
2tb nvmes are extremely cheap

>>106280735
rma your chip and get a brand new 14900ks free of charge. then use it or sell it and get a 12900KS or the upcoming 12P raptorlake cpu

>>106280750
fair but I still think you should skimp as much as you can now and then cover your ass later with a spare 8tb hdd and a spare sata ssd when you can afford it.

>>106280735
>Buys 14900KYS
>Trusts cpu.userbenchmark
Just buy a Ryzen X3D CPU for a high-end gaming PC. You are complicating things.

>>106280735
send the cpu back and get a fresh one
save money

Completed on Nvidia RTX
This game isn't very fun
Also why is latency according to the Nvidia overlay like 2x (50ish ms) what it is in other games at the same framerate?
>>106280605
He's right it is shit, so was eternal.
Also completed on Nvidia RTX with Nvidia sponsored Path Tracing with DLSS 4
>>106280735
They'll give you a replacement, warranty was extended too. Microcode works, it's just that with the i9 you have basically 0 headroom for overclocking unless you want it to degrade, that's also true on amd and arrow lake.(if you care about that)
>>106280718
>don't pay a premium for an nvidia 5070 if you want price-performance ratio
5070 is the best price to performance though? It's just that you're cucked in the long term (5+) years by vram, like every other mid-range card other than the 1070.

>>106280735
>Userbenchmark
That website has been confirmed biased for a while now.
Just about every test I can find online shows the opposite, that the 9950X3d is one of the best workstation CPUs out right now.
>Since my workload is 100% gaming (stalker 2, hell let loose, whatever) and not CPU bound, am I complicating things?
Yeah, pretty much. Get a 9800X3d. Easily the best CPU on the market right now.

There's a big chance I'm getting a new rig in early november around my birthday. Anything to look out for, or should I just get a 5090?

>>106280814
>That website has been confirmed biased for a while now.
Yeah, they're nearly as bad as AMD-Unboxed

>>106280735
>Currently have an i9 14900KS machine. It has had a ton of stability issues, and as I understand it Intel's microcode updates only stops _new_ damage/instability.
why didn't you lock volts before it fried
why don't you just rma
why don't you just increase volts and underclock bit to stabilize the chip
or you can swap to a 9800x3d stock it will be faster obv
or you can downgrade performance with a Ultra 9 lol

>>106280830
>AMD-Unboxed
The dude has been fine. Where is your hostility coming from?

friendly reminder to not buy small sized, high resolution monitors.

>>106280720
Forgot pic.
Also this is the initial build, was aiming for $2k
raid 0 on pci5 lanes for data and separate small SSD for OS on pci4
It's only for software development.
96GB of ram is probably retarded, don't use vm's often, do a lot of container things though.
Is daisychaining multiple monitors still a thing or should I buy some sort of usb4 hub? I don't know shit about that, using multiple cables out my old GPU right now.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PzHyPJ

>>106280859
since you're clearly severely mentally ill why havent you kyssed yet

Are Dell's Alienware gaming PC's good?
I can't build one so wish to buy one outrightly.

>>106280859
why did you not read how ppd works every time I told you for the past threads?
why don't you just do a practical test of using any higher resolution display than 1080p in your life for 1 second to understand?

>>106280892
>I can't build one
why

>>106280849
Well it's basically proven they will occasionally just make shit up or use data they know to be fucked
At the very least they're very disingenuous and biased
>>106280892
No they're not.
>can't build
Why not? Are you disabled?

>>106280892
>I can't build one
I think you can. I built a computer and I'm a retard. If my dumbass could do it, you definitely could.

>>106280901
why don't you explain why you think ppd is relevant to this conversation. are you not placing the monitor in the monitor position on your desk?

>>106280913
>it's basically proven they will occasionally just make shit up or use data they know to be fucked
I've never heard anything about that with Hardwareunboxed.
Proof?

>>106280814
>1080p
Why do they even benchmark this outside of extremely low budgets and laptops anymore?

what is the best build for topaz ai upscaling? my 9800x3d + 5080 is going too slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

best settings to use also? dvd source material

>>106280913
Trump will bailout intel with tax money he steals from us. Calm down, intelaviv will be fine.

>>106280961
Because they don't want to test CPUs where GPU bottlenecks can influence the results.
A CPU benchmark ends up being a GPU test at higher resolutions.

>>106280740
Genuine question -- is this actually the consensus in the current landscape? Have lost pulse of hardware community last few years

>>106280762
> rma your chip and get a brand new 14900ks
I know how this sounds, but genuinely would rather just not worry about the RMA. It's a major hassle, and I've got extremely limited free time. I know they are offering it for ~2 years, so it's an option but the way things are trending I'm going to have even less free time than I currently have going forward. I heard they are offering it for ~2 years, but my business has been taking off -- good and bad problem to have.

> upcoming 12P raptorlake cpu
Interesting -- Not seeing a stated release other than "2025"... any word on when these will actually be out? Hoping to get the new PC built sooner than later.

> sell it and get a 12900KS
I actually have a 12900KS build in the living room PC!

>>106280961
relative performance.
why compare 0-60 speeds when buying a commuter car to take you to work and to the grocery store?

>>106280986
>literal thirdworlder data

>>106280961
1080p is still perfectly usable and the most commonplace resolution

>>106280735
you should be able to rma the cpu and get a new one free of charge.

>>106280990
But that's the thing. If you're running 4k there is barely a difference between a 9800x3d and a 9600x. So buy the 9600x and the best gpu you can afford instead of wasting money on the cpu. You can upgrade it later at eol like everybody did on am4 and get another gpu to keep the build going.

>>106281006
Your post has third-world logic

>>106280966
just queue up some content and let it run over night
dont use the retarded starlight model
dont use needlessly large upscale res, stick to 1080p
dont increase the fps

>>106281011
Because of third worlders and laptops sure.

>>106280961
Because, as resolution increases, the CPU and GPU utilization changes too. At 4k, you're much less CPU bound and much more GPU bound than with 1080p.

>>106281029
What about "Stabilization"?
seems like it kills performance and is cpu intensive.

>>106281033
Yes which is why you shouldn't buy a 9800x3d. Just buy the best gpu you can afford. Especially when this isn't even the last am5 generation.

>>106281022
It's a valid take, but these CPU reviews aren't made just for 4K gamers.
There are also a few games that still benefit from the V-Cache @ 4K.

>>106280847
> why didn't you lock volts before it fried
Once I heard about the issue from JayzTwoCents, yes I changed the power settings but yeah by that point I think damage was done. To be fair, it's good 90% of the time but the occasional instability is annoying enough that I just want to build new.

> why don't you just rma
RMA is a hassle. I run my own business and only have a few hours a week to myself, would rather just build new system. Would need to fill out the form, get packaging materials, take out of current system (Tight mITX build so bit more complicated than usual), box it up, ship out it, wait for God knows how long to get the replacement chip... Or I can go to Microcenter TODAY lol.

> why don't you just increase volts and underclock bit to stabilize the chip
To be completely fair, it's stable most of the time. But the occasional instability seems to always hit when I am in a good gaming sesh and at this point I just want a flawless experience with minimal tinkering.

> or you can swap to a 9800x3d stock it will be faster obv
Maybe not so obvious to me, hence why I asked. But the 9950X3D does look compelling

> or you can downgrade performance with a Ultra 9 lol
Lol, I blame intel. New generation/family should be top tier shit, why the fuck is it a downgrade from previous spec???

>>106281083
I stopped following intel in like 2020 but isn't the difference that the new ultra chips are their first fully chiplet generation where before they were running one main monolythic chip with the cuckcore chiplets stitched onto the backend? So they simply aren't there with the fully chiplet latency problem like amd is?

>>106281062
seems redundant unless you want some shaky home footage look less shaky

>>106281083
You can just downclock that 14900KS and set a 1.4V VR voltage limit if you can't be bothered to RMA it.
Downclocking was the first advice shared by Oodle when this issue started to get out of hand.
https://www.radgametools.com/oodleintelold.htm

>>106281105
what's wrong with increasing fps? seems like everyone uploading changes fps to 60.

>>106281118
for anime uploads its sometimes used to make panning scenes less annoying to look at and to avoid youtube content id algorithms

if the footage is say 24 fps camera footage increasing fps would just make it look weird

>>106281083
go into the BIOS and set a core ratio limit of like 55-57x
this will prevent it from boosting to 6.2 GHz while gaming
might be enough to solve your issue, for now
>>106281103
intel chiplets are worse than even first-gen AMD chiplets (zen 2)
80ns memory latency at stock isn't acceptable

>>106281135
no, i'm trying to upscale 29.97 ntsc dvd source.

Is the encoder on topaz good enough? I konw i've seen people say to output it in prores format than using handbrake or ffmpeg cli to transcode it.

>>106280762
>upcoming 12P raptorlake cpu
I stopped believing this existed in any socketed format 3 months ago

>>106281154
topaz uploads are like 10x larger than necessary and handbrake is convenient to reduce the size without significantly impacting image quality

>>106281117
Thanks for the link, let me check this out. The advice I first heard was to update BIOS and turn off "default" power settings (forget exactly what it was called but that did help immensely).

I am still interested in building a new PC though -- that's definitely a lot of the fun of even having a custom rig. Thinking if I want to wait (possibly months) for new intel chips or if I should just pull trigger on 9950X3D today. Plus I already bought the 5090 for the new build so there is no turning back

>>106281161
you can choose the bitrate on the encoder in the settings to get low bitrate.

Under what circumstances should I need more than PCIE 3.0 speed for my M.2 NVME drive?

>>106281169
>Thinking if I want to wait (possibly months) for new intel chips
Arrow Lake Refresh is the upcoming set of Intel CPUs, underwhelming.
Nova Lake (Q3/Q4 '26) isn't going to be better than Zen 6 X3D chips in gaming.

>>106281202
Transferring videos around from ssd to ssd for editing.
The newer ssds will have higher sustained transfer speeds also after the cache is used up.

Want 8TB m2 SSD. Thinking Samsung 990 or WD sn850x, but open to other brands. I read somewhere that TLC NAND or whatever has less lifetime/cycles/whatever and is not recommended to get these for storage. Can someone TLDR this to me? mITX so don't have room for traditional SATA even in 2.5" -- currently have one 2TB for boot and 4TB for data but thinking two 8TB m2s would be kickass but don't want to bother if it will actually matter

>>106280972
>>106280972
>Trump will bailout intel with tax money he steals from us
I'm sure the first money that will be allocated for that will be the money earned with the AMD Nvidia export licences.

>>106281202
You don't need more than Gen 3 NVMe speeds for gaming, HWUB Tim recently covered this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl8wXT8F3W4.

This is a link for content creation benchmarks.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/impact-of-pcie-5-0-bandwidth-on-gpu-content-creation-performance/

>>106281229
Wrong Puget link, that's for video cards.

>>106281208
>Arrow Lake Refresh is the upcoming set of Intel CPUs, underwhelming.
Is that the same as the Bartlett or whatever?

>Nova Lake (Q3/Q4 '26) isn't going to be better than Zen 6 X3D chips in gaming.
Forgive the ignorance, but Zen6 would be the next gen to replace the Ryzen 9 / 9950X3D's family? Not waiting until Q3 2026 anyway lol but just curious how we know the new Intel chips wouldn't beat new AMD chips. AMD must have come a long way in recent years, impressive

>>106280847
>or you can downgrade performance with a Ultra 9 lol
old news
15th gen mogs 14th gen in every metric now

>>106281247
Is that true? Every bench I've seen seems to show the opposite

>>106281246
>AMD must have come a long way in recent years, impressive
It's less that they came a long way, and more that they just kept moving normally while Intel started jacking off and stopped working.

>>106281217
I'm not seeing the Samsung 990 for sale with 8TB. The sn850x is also the cheapest 8TB on the market and is one of the higher quality NVME drives, so go for it.
Also, about 95% of all NVME ssds are TLC. If I remember correctly, QLC and MLC drives are the ones that have worse longevity.

>>106281202
You use one as a media cache for video editing.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/solutions/video-editing-workstations/davinci-resolve/hardware-recommendations/#storage

>>106281217
8TB nvme drives have 4800 TBW endurance if i remember.
No way you actually exceed that unless you use it for commercial purposes such as a cache drive on a server.

>>106281246
Nova lake is trying to add 144mb l3 cache to compete with x3d. They're doing a ton of research into getting their chiplets to perform better than amd. But then amd got wind of it and is making zen6 with 192mb of l3. I think it will be another bloodbath.

I check 3 motherboards I want to buy and they barely list any patriot ram as supported and non of them has that cheap 32gb 6000hz cl30 venom viper
I assume it would still work, but feels a little sus if there are 3 pages for adata or t-group

>>106281259
It performs like 5% to 10% better (especially in non-gaming tasks) with 17% less power draw

>>106281317
Motherboard manufacturers take money from memory manufacturers to get their RAM listed on the official compatibility lists, it's very very jewish

>>106281317
So far, PcPartPicker reviews don't seem to have problems with EXPO or XMP with this RAM.
Honestly, I've never seem RAM not work with modern motherboards ever.

>>106281317
Those 6000MT/s CL30 are all using Hynix DDR5 chips with other commodity ICs on the memory module.
Quit being paranoid about it.
If you see a kit with the same speed & primary timings posted in the QVL, you're fine.
The voltage matters less because DDR5 XMP/EXPO settings are usually capped at 1.45V maximum, and DDR5 motherboards have no problem supporting that.

>>106281357
Until you go to two channels/4 sticks that is lol

>bro, pc building is so easy
>buys AM5 mobo
>bends 3 pins
>leaves 1 star review

>>106281371
Based and sideways cpu pilled

>>106281347
yikes, didn't know that

>>106281360
>Quit being paranoid
NO

>>106281371
That sounds like skill issue. Shrimple as that.

>>106281368
Who does 4 sticks of RAM these days? I can buy 2x32GB RAM sticks these days, so why bother?

>>106281371
real, local marketplace is full of reviews like that
they get no refunds too unless they provide a vid of unpacking showing it came damaged like that

>>106281371
can you imagine a world where reviews could have comments/replies and positive/negative scores?
these retards would be ridiculed into suicide the same day

>>106281403
Cope

>>106280930
Steve admitted in his 5070 Ti review that he downclocks all the GPUs to match their advertised reference specs, which is a test condition that favors Radeon cards.
NVIDIA discloses more conservative GPU boost clocks, by 300MHz in some cases, compared to what even reference grade cards can achieve ootb.
He justifies this 300MHz downclock because he got a Ventus OC review unit that has an advertised boost clock that is 30MHz faster than reference.

A hardware review aggregator contacted Hardware Unboxed because their 5070 Ti test results were noticeably different from all the other tech outlets'.
Steve doesn't even say whether this test condition is consistently applied to all his video card-related content, like in the recent driver overhead video.

Steve admitted in his 5070 Ti review that he downclocks all the GPUs to match their advertised reference specs, which is a test condition that favors Radeon cards.
NVIDIA discloses more conservative GPU boost clocks, by 300MHz in some cases, compared to what even reference grade cards can achieve ootb.
He justifies this 300MHz downclock because he got a Ventus OC review unit that has an advertised boost clock that is 30MHz faster than reference.

A hardware review aggregator contacted Hardware Unboxed because their 5070 Ti test results were noticeably different from all the other tech outlets'.
Steve doesn't even say whether this test condition is consistently applied to all his video card-related content, like in the recent driver overhead video.


why lie?

you got no proof

you such a weird bitch dude

I just got my free 1080p 60hz monitor from my friend. I can't wait to game on it with my 64gb of ram, 5070 ti, and 9800x3d.

>>106281529
Where do you think I got that video screenshot?
It's from Steve's 5070 Ti review, word-for-word.
https://youtu.be/UMPK1SeMEZM?t=206

The bit about the hardware review aggregator is mentioned in their podcast.
https://youtu.be/mbsUW1Z3_wI?t=288

Their justification for playing that little game is because they "got an OC card", but there's less than a percent difference between a 5070 Ti Ventus 3x and a 5070 Ti Ventus 3x OC ootb.
They even share the same maximum power limits.

>>106280735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQSBj2LKkWg

do we need some years old content when we live in current day?
GPUS are plentiful and at msrp, soon higher vram nvidia gpus are out which is good for aisloppers.

whats the problem

>>106280991
Intel have extended the warranty to 5 years for boxed 13th and 14th gen cpus from the usual 3 year warranty.
>Interesting -- Not seeing a stated release other than "2025"... any word on when these will actually be out? Hoping to get the new PC built sooner than later.
Its supposed to be released Q3 2025 but intel always has delays so its probably launching in Q4 this year or early Q1 2026

>>MOTHERBOARD
>Avoid ASRock AM5 boards. Issues still reported & latest BIOS doesn't protect new CPUs.
Got any alternatives that are also AM5, DDR5, and has a USB-C port? Planning on pairing it with a 5070 and 7600X

Does hardware unboxed still claim RDNA4 outsold Blackwell?

>>106281633
literally any B850 board should cover those requirements

>>106281633
Almost all, if not all 650 and 850 chipset boards have those features, I have a Gigabyte Eagle B650 AX with em

>>106281653
They're retards that were all crying paper launch

>>106281676
>>106281686
Cool i didnt know that, im upgrading from a z97x so im a bit out of the loop about what was standard now. I'll just copy you and go with the eagle b650

>>106281529
>why lie?
>you got no proof
https://youtu.be/mbsUW1Z3_wI?t=499
Steve admits his GPU benchmark results tend to be lower than other outlets.
He accepts there's an 8% delta when comparing TechPowerUp's overlapping tests.
Because TechPowerUp doesn't act like a bitch over a 30MHz advertised boost clock difference.

Literally no other tech reviewer can replicate HWUB's GPU benchmarks because they don't manually set a lower boost clock limit.

>>106281653
>>106281690
>Does hardware unboxed still claim RDNA4 outsold Blackwell?
No he's on team green now. Actually he always was, he just hawked shitty GPUs to the peasants while rocking the Best NVIDIA had to offer.

What do they get out of making pcbg less functional for people wanting to build pcs by spamming it
Like who pays them?
you'd think russian troll factories dont care about something niche like that

>'+30MHz boost clock can create a 3% performance delta!' (They don't.)
>'So let me just downclock what any 5070 Ti can hit ootb by at least 300MHz!'
>Creates an -8% performance delta to reviewers who don't rig the test conditions.
Absolute faggotry.

>>106281247
It's a workstation cpu that's worse in gaming lol

>>106280918
Then it would make sense that ppi matters even more since you don't like it
Obviously ppd matters you still have quite a lot of distance you can manipulate a monitor
Even if you have a large desk you need like 5k res at 27" at 80cm+ before you even hit the limits of human vision

>>106281083
>why the fuck is it a downgrade from previous spec???
In gaymen since they focused on power management and making sure estrogen cores work properly without performance increase

Is it possible to get a custom skin painted on your gpu or case for a reasonable amount of money? Like 200 dollars or less?

>>106281780
HWUB apologists will say this content was sponsored by MSI, but Steve could've easily turned down the 5080 Gaming Trio if he truly believed it's not a product worth shilling.
That exact card model is featured in his affiliate links.
They have enough pull to ask PowerColor or Sapphire to send them a nice 9070 XT, like the Nitro+ or the white Red Devil.

>>106281854
exactly ppi is all that matters because when it's too high you can't read anything without sitting an inch away from the screen like you're competing in a counter-strike tournament without OS scaling which then removes any of the extra real estate you would normally gain from increasing your resolution. this also causes problems when not everything scales correctly.

this is the exact same issue as the 600 lb whales complaining that the world is designed with fatphobia in mind and we need to rebuild the entire world so they don't feel bad about needing to take 3 seats to sit on a plane.

>>106281879
personally i do my own shitty paint jobs on my computer parts with a set of $12 bootleg acrylic posca markers alongside a bunch of weed and bass heavy house music

you too can paint your shit funky colors for $12

as far as people who do this for money? way more than $200 for an actual hand done paint job thats any decent, mine are trash because its just for me messing around, but i know people who do this type of thing and youre talking $40-500 to custom hand paint a GPU, and a case would be like over a thousand dollars

pic is my current project, a kudan 560ti im working on, its gonna be all floral and shit

>>106281932
Like I said Team Green for me, not for thee. It's disgusting to bad mouth a product and solely use it for yourself. I know NVIDIA sucks as a company, but the options are very narrow.

>>106281956
Svol, thanks for the effort reply. Guess I'll just have to settle for all black for now. Maybe if I get rich one day I'll pay for a custom job.

Should I sell my Z890 AORUS ELITE WIFI7 I got in a useless bundle, or is intel going to pull something better out of it's ass for the LGA1851. They sell for about $120 on ebay. I don't know if i should let go of the infinite performance. The masses my not be ready for it.

>>106282006
$200 would probably get you a good hydrodrip job though if you have places nearby that do that, usually custom motorcycle shops do it because its common in that hobby space

>>106281932
he uses an 14900K and a 4090 at home, Tim has a 4090 too.

>>106281953
same discussion every day
use a larger screen if you want more space or use more displays
scaling makes shit look better
your app from the 90's that don't scale, nobody cares
I'm guessing these issues disappear when you use 200% scaling mostly though, on 5k 27" you can do 200% scaling and chill
even now it's fine
nobody wants to look at 96ppi shit

why did everyone switch to amd cpus instead of intel

>>106280532 (OP)
is getting a used optiplex + 1080ti or gtx titan a goated budget build or retarded ?

>>106282309
massive orchestrated shilling train from techtubers from ryzens start when they did not beat intel but eventually by the time they hit the 5800x3d it was better for normies to slot that in than intel finally and then even people not being shills could justify it too

>>106282328
the optiplex part these days kinda, since youre replacing the PSU and getting adapters and even then thermals become an issue shoving a 150-200w gpu into a box with one fan
it ends up being more expensive than just buying a set of used normal computer parts when you want to do higher end gpus

optiplex builds are best when youre using a slot power only gpu or something you could safely power off of sata to a 6 pin, like an i5 8400 based optiplex with a 3050 6gb is the shit, trying to put a 1080 in there makes it more complicated

shame entry level gaming cards are so expensive these days, in the 750ti days $129 for that tier of gpu made sense to do this with i5 2400 optiplexes

>>106282372
nobody has used a gpu without at least a 6 pin connector on it for almost 20 yeras lol what on earth are you on about ngiger

>>106282309
Intel's CPU designs were limited to what their foundry could manufacture.
That technology limitation hurt Intel CPUs, especially wrt power efficiency.
Intel's newer CPU core tiles are made by TSMC, because Intel's foundry is still restricting the design team.

Intel also lost a lot of processor designers to other tech companies, not just to AMD.

>>106282030
Sell that thing before it loses even more value.
That platform is DOA (supports Arrow Lake & Arrow Lake Refresh only).

>>106282424
Yea part of me agrees, but the other part is hoping the core ultra will be super cheap in a year or so and I can use it as a backup PC.

>>106282424
I love how things getting cheaper is seen like some type of own nowadays

>>106282451
>but the other part is hoping the core ultra will be super cheap
The packaging requirement for the disaggregated tiles sets a higher price floor.
Plus, TSMC is overcharging Intel for the core & GPU tiles.

i'm only getting 14.2 fps on this topaz upscale so far on a 5080.
is it normally this slow doing 4x upscaling?
Maybe I really do need a 5090

>>106282609
Everyone told you to get a 5090.

>>106280859
>>106281953
Let me add on to this and consider the following

Any half decent picture quality for a pc monitor BEGINS at 4k 27" at normal viewing desk distance

>20/20" vision (or "6/6" in Europe) corresponds to being able to resolve details 1 arcminute in size, or 60 pixels per degree. This is defined as the "normal" visual acuity for adults, but it is actually not the average. While visual acuity changes per person and over time, the average acuity in adults is about 1.6 times better than 20/20, roughly 20/15 vision, or 80ppd. Visual acuity peaks at around 25 years old and then slowly declines, but even then the average 75 year old has better eyesight than 20/20.
>Seeing details at 120ppd is equal to "20/10" vision (or "6/3" in Europe).
>20/10 vision; practical upper limit of visual acuity
>the theoretical upper limit of human visual acuity lies somewhere between 20/10 and 20/8 vision.

60 ppd = 20/20
80 ppd= 20/15
120 ppd= 20/10

>>106282629
is there a thread somewhere dedicated to the software?

Looking at the benchmarks, a 5090 gets 7.13 fps vs 5.86 fps on a 5080, so only 21.6% difference.
Not worth it for me.

This program seems jeeted out though unless it's just the cracked version I have.

>>106282676
>20/20" vision (or "6/6" in Europe) corresponds to being able to resolve details 1 arcminute in size, or 60 pixels per degree. This is defined as the "normal" visual acuity for adults, but it is actually not the average. While visual acuity changes per person and over time, the average acuity in adults is about 1.6 times better than 20/20, roughly 20/15 vision, or 80ppd. Visual acuity peaks at around 25 years old and then slowly declines, but even then the average 75 year old has better eyesight than 20/20.

is chatgpt feeding you this information?
no way that is true.

>>106282704
different models are faster
some rely more on cpu, some more on gpu
4x upscale is also prob redundant as you can simply target 1080p? The algorithm just needs to clean up some of the missing detail from blurry dvd footage right

>>106282717
https://phrogz.net/tmp/ScreenDensityCalculator.html

>>106282717
>no way that is true.

J. Ohlsson and G. Villarreal, Normal visual acuity in 17–18 year olds, Acta Ophthalmologica Scandinavica, 2005, pg. 490.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1600-0420.2005.00516.x/pdf

D. B. Elliott, K. C. H. Yang, D. Whitaker, Visual acuity changes throughout adulthood in normal, healthy eyes: seeing beyond 6/6, Optom Vis Sci. 1995 Mar; 72(3):186-91.
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/15589085_Visual_acuity_changes_throughout_adulthood_in_normal_healthy_eyes_seeing_beyond_66/file/60b7d5188e168cb08e.pdf

https://phrogz.net/tmp/ScreenDensityCalculator.html

read, nigga

>>106282609
>he didn't boughted a 6000

>>106282753
Approximately 64% of adult Americans wear prescription eyeglasses, which translates to about 166.5 million people.

if 64% of people have prescription glasses and prescriptions only correct to 20/20 *if they can do that well*, then it is impossible for the average adult to have 20/15 vision.

>>106282761
Give me your money and i'll buy the blackwell pro 96 GB model.

>>106282717
according to the eye tests on the 75yo boomers, they had no eye problems and were healthy so I guess you can't call that "average"

>>106282781
american eyelets, you might be correct, people might bring up the average
but according to pdf the tested 20/15 average was done on literal 18yo's so you might be correct

anyway, 60+ ppd seems good

anything you would change for this? im upgrading from a 2013 Toshiba laptop. If the supers actually come out on Q4 ill buy the 70 super instead, otherwise ill see how much more expensive the 70 ti will be as im gonna buy this on November with black Friday sales.
I'm going to also do video editing so that's why I have 3 drives.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KhTcnp

>>106283000
it is very unbalanced

>>106282676
stop using VR headset metrics for desktop displays.

>>106283016
thanks for the insight :/

>>106283000
if youre serious about video editing and your mobo supports 2 x pcie 5 nvmes why not get 2 pcie 5 nvmes. Also no point sticking to budget 2tb when you can stick 4tb in.
16 core cpu should be fine and the x3d allows it great gaming perf so no problems there.
I might get a water cooler for it since it'd be quieter for long workloads.

psu is oversized as 750w would work
1440p ips screen is a bit eh, for productivity you might get 4k ips and for gaming youd want 1440p 360hz qd oled

Boughted everything yesterday. Now for the eternal wait for everything to arrive (a couple of days).

>eBay cpu has a scratch on the bottom
It’s still good to go, right?

Every guide I read and here says you HAVE to start your computer in BIOS and change this that and the other before you can use it but do I really need to? I never did that for my first computer and it worked just fine. Is it really going to be the end of the world if I just start it up and leave it on the default settings? For a tech illiterate boomer like me how would I even know what I need to change? I feel like it could only do more harm than good.

>>106283161
I'd at least set XMP or EXPO:

>>106283161
My bios by default sets the power led to BLINKING while my pc is in sleep and I have to go change it every bios update.
Also to enaple xmp ram to go faster.

>>106283147
the gold pads looks fine, it just looks like cosmetic damage.

>>106283147
>>106283196

>>106283206
how is that even possible with the hardwired limits the cpu has

>>106283218
when you first boot up a computer, everything gets slapped with high voltage immediately. the mobo/psu is supposed to regulate it asap but they dont always work like gigabytes exploding psus or asrocks exploding x3d.

>>106283067
from what I could gather, gen 5 nvme are a negligible upgrade. I will consider the 4tb sn850x though, that would be the main drive for games. Maybe I'll change the Samsung for a gen5 like the 8100 2tb since it seems to be the same price so far. The sata is for cache.
I dont mind if its noisy, I have tinnitus so i find the noise soothing since any little noise blocks out the ringing and my laptop is already way louder with a cooling pad than any pc I've seen, plus, I personally hate aios, no good reason I just dont like them.
Regarding the psu I thought the rule was estimated watts x1.5 to account for power spikes. is 750w really fine?

>>106283274
power spikes were a meme back in 3090 days and I think psus got better at handling transients later
5070 is a low watt gpu anyhow

Which parts of the PC do you think we will evolve beyond in our lifetime? Feel like at some point we won't need dedicated ram slots anymore.

>>106283324
lmao /g/'s /g/reates mind

>>106280532 (OP)
is this trash or no

https://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Gaming-2X24GB-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0CVFN5F3V

>>106283324
sata slots will be gone eventually like ide slots.
motherboards no longer include audio because your gpu or cpu (igpu) can do it.

>>106283324
I just want true wireless technology, no more rats nest, no more fiddling with zip ties and other bullshit, no more 12 pin connectors blowing up my neighborhood.

>>106283355
not great, not terrible
CL30 timed RAM would be a better choice

>>106283206
maybe not dead but definitely not healthy?
this could be fixed though without too much hassle, just need to be pretty damn good at soldering

but its an ebay CPU, open up the return claim and dont even bother with anything other than "damaged prior to opening, non functional"

>>106283206
Well that’s getting thrown away

>>106281552
Based, I have a 1080p 144hz but I always leave it at 30. Makes it last longer and I can barely tell the difference.

>>106283390
if the capacitor was just missing maybe
that looks like it fucking exploded which means its probably fried

>>106283324
i think we'll see a motherboard standardization change pretty soon, a lot of manufacturers have been experimenting with different board layouts and designs for a while and clearly some antiquated standards have left the "it aint broke so dont fix it" mentality in the eyes of average users
the 24 pin is just objectively bad, expansion slots dont really need to be the dimensions they are anymore for what we use the slots for

i think we'll see ATX replaced by something new soon, especially since people in general have stopped progressively upgrading their PCs in the same ways they used to, they swap out a GPU or CPU maybe but the rest of the system isnt a ship of theseus anymore, you may see companies push for a new set of standards without the pushback of "what about my legacy support?"

>>106283461
yeah the more i think about it the more that seems likely, an impact wouldve broken the solder joints entirely, not just one with ever so gentle enough force to kinda bend that components other pad

im still not entirely sure its not impact though based on there being a kinda hard scratch on it, might just be coincidence though

>>106283215
buy an ad jufes

>>106280901
>>106280913
>>106280914
You meaning building from scratch? And assembling the components yourself?

>>106283467
They won't change shit.
Historically, board vendors haven't done much of anything even when given an alterative.
For example the 24pin could have been replaced with a 10 pin 12v only connector, that had zero traction.
The BTF thing hasn't seen much action either, even tho most new cases support it, a BTF motherboard is no where to be seen in any best sellers list.

Hi /pcbg/, what do you think of this prebuilt? Seems like a good deal for a 7800x3d+9700x, almost impossible to match by buying parts separtately,but not sure on that cooler and case. Also PSU is notoriously loud.
>https://www.one.de/angebote/next-level-gaming-pcs/high-end-pc-next-level-iv/64284

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MkyMt3

Hey faggots looking to get everything else I need for a new build minus hard drives and graphix. How did I do

>>106283034
is this a new cope?

>>106283795
I have no idea what pricing is like in Eurostan.

The only thing that sucks is the 512gb M.2 drive, seeing those listed speeds tells me that it's a unbranded SSD with shit read/write

>>106283797
Get a better cooler, like the Peerless Assassin/Phantom Spirit, a single tower cooling a 9800x3d is not enough

Which option?

a) 7600X3D+RTX5070

or

b) 7800X3D+RTX5060Ti

>>106283913
7800X3D+5070SUPER

>>106283761
So far only Asus is pushing the BTF in any way and I think Sapphire x870e board supports the BTF graphics power slot.
>>106283324
Probably the RAM will get changed, maybe the DDR6 already will have options for different kit formats.
Maybe something with the PCIe the way how huge the GPU are, many devices switching to the USB instead of expansion cards, and general lack of lanes

>>106280718
>hdd
>games
Stop suggesting shit for the wrong reasons

>>106283928
>So far only Asus is pushing the BTF in any way and I think Sapphire x870e board supports the BTF graphics power slot.
I'm talking about the project zero thing with the connectors on the back of the board, there are more than a few boards with it even outside of Asus, but they don't sell very well

can you name some cases that look like a coffee maker?
like instead of 3 intake fans on the side there was a glass panel
I remember I saw one a few days ago but I didn't check the name.

>>106283927
Cannot afford and don't want to spend that amount of money.

>>106283951
My coffee maker looks like this, don't know any pc cases like that

>>106283971
If you just save an extra 30 dollars each month until the Super release you could afford it.

>>106283871
Yeah the SSD is likely a gamble but I planned on adding a 2TB one anyway. Even with the "useless" SSD it seems like a good deal but I've never heard of this case and I'm hesitant about the cooler and PSU

>>106283913
Even at 1080p the 5070 is going to give out before the 7600
In general weaker processor + better gpu is almost always better unless your focus is mostly esports.
5070 Super if we're being realistic is still a ways out and regardless of msrp it's going to be either sold out or like $800
>>106283973
>aeropress
reddit

>>106284005
>5070 Super if we're being realistic is still a ways out
Christmas is only a few months away.

What're the top 3 NVIDIA brands nowadays?

>>106283324
dedicated GPUs will become obsolete outside of server rooms.

>>106284065
Realistically how fast does a CPU need to be before it doesn't need a GPU anymore?

>>106284033
If you want the best of the best, usually MSI Suprim has best temps while being very quiet.
Next the Asus is usually second best or on par.
Third place is honestly whatever, they all are more or the same. Gigabyte varies between series, sometimes they are pretty good, sometimes they fuck up and do revisions. PNY sells GPUs in USA at the actual MSRP. they also are one of AIBs for the RTX Pro. Zotac seems to be the lowest tier.

>>106284018
4 months. He could be enjoying his new gpu tomorrow that'll perform exactly the same as the 5070 super (a core increase of less than 5% is worthless)
>>106284033
Buy pny and be done with it.

>>106283987
the case looks fine, a nice mesh front with 3 intake fans

the cooler is a pure rock 3, which i'm assuming is the single tower, you can always replace that (and should) with a better dual tower or AIO

the MSI PSU is loud, but it will work

wired or wireless mouse?

>>106284141
Wireless, the tech is equal to wired now there is no point in keeping the wire anymore.

>>106284150
do modern wireless mice operate off of disposable batteries or do you recharge them or something?

>>106284080
AMD APUs are already strong enough that's why consoles have been using them, and are continuing to use them.

>>106284170
You just charge them up, the lighter ones you'll need to charge every 3-4 days the heftier ones once a week or two. It takes very little time to charge them my crazylight pulsar takes maybe 20-30 minutes to fully charge.

>>106284210
neat. don't think i've ever owned a wireless mouse.

still lost on which one to get, i apply some filters to what i want and it's still 1000+ mice...

>>106284170
There are battery ones but they suck. Get one that has a detachable wire which is basically all of them. Check RocketJumpNinja, Boardzy on youtube. Eloshapes.com for recs.

>>106284248
Smaller and lighter the better imo, but the best one is the one that fights your particular grip style and hand shape. Check the rocketjumpninja guide to figure out your best shape and then you can use that to narrow down your choices. Get a couple of them off of amazon and return the ones you don't like.

>>106284249
>>106284274
alright, sounds good. all i really know is i want a mouse with 2 thumb buttons and comfortable to hold.

i think im a palm grip?

>>106284080
>>106284180
also APUs don't run into VRAM restrictions, so outside of giant server rooms dGPUs will not be required.
noVidio is working on ARM APUs as well btw, because they want to become Apple.

>>106284180
>that's why consoles have been using them
Because the cost makes sense, that's why Nintendo is using older & more profitable NVIDIA APUs.

>>106284297
I'm a G703 user but your mileage my vary
You can check the RJN mouse database
https://www.rocketjumpninja.com/mouse-search

>>106284372
NvidiaOS when?

https://www.techpowerup.com/339702/intel-brings-avx10-2-to-desktop-starting-with-nova-lake-processors
So I just found out Nova Lake is gonna bring back AVX-512 support which should help out with emulation performance. Combined with the rumored Big Last Level Cache SKUs it might actually be a decent desktop/gaming release.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/106923/intel-nova-lake-cpu-full-leak-52-cores-bllc-is-intels-answer-to-x3d-cache-lga-1954-socket/index.html

>>106284681
wait untill (you) see it in person, they claimed a lot of stuff and you know how it goes
surely you didnt forget about pic related right

>>106284681
>Nova Lake is gonna bring back AVX-512 support
Why though, what even uses avx 512 that you'd also be using on a desktop?
AM5 processors all have avx 512 don't they? According to your chart it doesn't look like it does anything.

is buying a 55"+ oled tv the only way to experience RealHDR™ ? I wanna see what the meme is about
trying hdr on a qdoled monitor was kind of not impressive at all
that begs the question, is 55" really too big

>>106284806
Please fuck off to a TV showroom. D4 bad btw. D4/10. HDR or RT isn't saving that pile of shit.

>>106284806
qd oled monitor should be much better experience for hdr games sicne you get much higher hz

theres very bright oleds out in 2025 but with tv sizes you place them couple meter away from you

>>106284820
>Please fuck off to a TV showroom
I have been there, made me realize 42" and 55" isn't even that large
shit 77" isn't even that large with some distance
98"+ starting to get fuck huge

>D4 bad btw
that wasn't the point + old meme + L + ratio

>HDR or RT isn't saving that pile of shit.
wasn't the point, the point was musk 55"ing it up

>>106284821
>should be much better experience for hdr games sicne you get much higher hz
better for twitch shooters games in sdr maybe, I already tried it, after people glazing hdr all the time it was like, yeah ok some lights appear brighter, this is it? very lackluster, maybe I didn't try it in enough games
I am thinking they just don't get bright enough
compared even a C4 42" is twice as bright in real scenes and from that the current top end G5/S95F are double the brightness of that
so the monitor does like 450nits in a 10% window, the tvs do 2200 nits

idk

>theres very bright oleds out in 2025 but with tv sizes you place them couple meter away from you
didn't you just say hte opposite, anyway

Completed it on Intel Arc.

>>106284916
if you really care about brightness theres the upcoming rgb miniled tvs coming out
since they dont care about burn in as much they can push the leds harder

>>106284916
>wasn't the point, the point was musk 55"ing it up
Because he's old and his vision is degrading.

>>106284946
>>106284962
Why do you play all these indie games no one has ever heard of?

>>106284970
I think that's a Borderlands spinoff.

>>106285006
I got borderlands 3 free on epic but I havent played any of the games because of how greasy randy pitchford is

>>106284443
soon(tm).

>>106284806
PPI WINS AGAIN >>106280859

>>106284970
what's wrong with Anonymous playing vidya gaymes? why do you care what gaymes somebody else is playing?

>>106284681
>Red Dead emulation
Get new material

Alright I posted this yesterday, and I'm almost ready to pull the trigger and buy it. Not pictured is a Keychron K8 Wireless keyboard. How does this look?

>>106285458
monitor seems expensive, you can get 240hz at that price, same size and resolution.
there's a novidio super refresh coming soon for the 5000 series so you might want to consider waiting for that.
idk how wd blue ssd performs but I remember that being their storage, not main drive, color in hdd.

>>106285207
why should we care about his offtopic posts this is not /v/

>get my first >60hz monitor, set to 120
>look at how smooth moving windows and scrolling now is
>realize it makes no real difference
I have no idea how some fags claim it's night and day for "productivity", do you get paid for dragging windows all day or what?

>>106285458
why a 5070? thought the 9060 xt would be better and isnt the 12gb of vram lacking for the future?

>>106285566
Google says a 5070 is better

>>106285535
>monitor seems expensive, you can get 240hz at that price, same size and resolution.
The monitor was one recommended in the OP, is there a better one you would recommend? Maybe I'll look at the other ones.
>there's a novidio super refresh coming soon for the 5000 series so you might want to consider waiting for that.
I have no idea how expensive it's gonna be and when that's gonna happen so I'm down to just go with this
>idk how wd blue ssd performs but I remember that being their storage, not main drive, color in hdd.
It was a recommendation from an anon from a previous thread, I hope there's nothing wrong with it.

>>106285556
air conditioning, a nice keyboard or a comfortable office chair makes no "real difference" either

>>106285610
Absolute fucking nonsense.

>>106285621
yes, obviously

>>106285556
Just knock it down to 30fps. Save some electricity.

>>106285566
These are the types of people shilling Gay-deon btw

>>106285593
The $200 240Hz monitor the other guy's referring to is probably a mediocre Acer monitor with poor QC. Avoid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K7ioTEieps

I'd consider the MSI G272QPF E2 to be an alternative to the M27Q, I don't expect there to be a massive difference in performance & image quality.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RktLrH/msi-g272qpf-e2-270-2560-x-1440-180-hz-monitor-g272qpf-e2

Do you think the LG C4 tv's will be 500 dollars on black friday? I really want to try oled but I can't justify spending more than that.

>>106284946
>Nuke from fo3

>>106284964
But they will be lcd va or some shit and will be terrible for game smear and lag because dimming
Like if you are buying tv for gaming your are pigeonholed into oled

>>106284965
He's just immersionmaxxing

>>106285556
You will notice how jarring 60 feels in motion and input lag after you go back though
For productivity seems like a joke yeah
I lowered my refresh rate to 60 on my phone to conserve battery first thing
Think 90 draws insane power

does anyone know if the sapphire 9070xt nitro + model can use the 7900XTX ARGB fans? cause I dont see that they made a pair for the 9070xt versions

>>106285714
If you are american could you not have gotten the c4 42 for like 699 multiple times now?
And a b4/s90d 48" was like 599?
These TV's are getting phased out right now on bf you are gonna have good pricing on C5 and so on
But idk

>>106285714
Best Buy is discounting an AOC 27" 1440p QD-OLED monitor for $450, but it has notable flaws like poorer HDR color volume compared to other monitors using the same QD-OLED panel.
It will still present a better HDR image compared to any LCD with no local dimming zones.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/aoc-27-qd-oled-240hz-0-03ms-gaming-monitor-black-purple/6593370.p?skuId=6593370
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/agon-pro-ag276qzd2

You could try your luck at buying Gigabyte's 1440p WOLED monitor with new tandem OLED panel tech (brighter HDR) when it supposedly launches later this month (rumored $500 promotional discount).

>>106285751
>Aoc
16h forced pixel refresh

>Gigabyte
I'm not sure if they have a 16hour forced refresh or not again, not many reports on it I think I saw one post on it

>It will still present a better HDR image compared to any LCD with no local dimming zones.
Have you tried the current oled monitors In hdr and what is your opinion?
I thought it was straight ass
Consider then a c4 42 is twice as good in HDR and it's even nerfed
Idk anymore

I wanna buy a large tv for the memes but I also have to move in like a year.. choices

>>106285725
>For productivity seems like a joke yeah
Well that's what I'm saying. It's not that I don't see the difference, and for vidya it's obviously a bigger deal, but for browsing and whatnot I could go back to 60 anytime and not give a shit.

>>106285783
>Have you tried the current oled monitors In hdr and what is your opinion?
Games look meh, but I haven't been using HDR mod fixes as much as I should.
HDR films are okay. Watching them on my OLED TV is better, mostly because of the larger screen and better sound system.
The movies I have don't push the brightness very high.

>>106285458
If you want an upgrade path to the 9800X3D/10800X3D when it comes out later the 9600X is a smart buy.
However if you just want to get the most performance for the money right now, then as a result of Intel having their backs against the wall they've cut prices on Raptor Lake chips hard and coupled w/DDR4 RAM you can save $65 on your platform with identical gaming & productivity performance:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pKMs4p
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/27.html

Also the Phantom Spirit is slightly better than the Peerless Assassin for almost the exact same price:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwGhP6/thermalright-phantom-spirit-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se-black

>>106285458
Also like >>106285535 that monitor is very overpriced for its specs when you can get a 27" 1440p180Hz IPS for $140 (after instant-coupon) now:
https://www.amazon.com/SANSUI-Monitor-Computer-ES-G27F2Q-Included/dp/B0CWCWL81G?sr=8-10&th=1
They are all using the same 3-4 panels so you're not gonna see much difference at the end of the day.

drove past a yard sale, hopped out, and got two old cheap monitors and a spare old mouse and keyboard for $30 didn't haggle since the guy had kids.

while unloading my car I found a spare 700W power supply that my sister gave me that I completely forgot I had.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vtqtfd

I think what I'm going to do is buy some expensive high quality DDR4 ram to replace the stuff in my actual main build and take out my DDR4-2400 CL17 Memory from my main rig to put in the budget box. Now I just need a cheap heatsink (I have like a dozen old 140mm fans lying around) and I am good to go with the PC!

>>106285458
>120 dollar mouse
cmon man just get a deathadder essential

>>106285941
I used to have that piece of shit years ago and I never switched back to logitech faster.

>>106285836
But you test with a game that is supposed to have a good hdr implementation or fix it manually, still meh
I really asked myself, this is it?
Like sdr was better idk
Maybe I didn't test enough

>>106285797
60hz for mobile devices other than that what's the purpose but yeah

>>106285958
I just can't imagine buying a $120 mouse.

Is it possible for a motherboard to fry a power supply? I want to say no, and that a power supply should have protections from if a motherboard has a short.

I have this ~12 year old desktop and about a year ago, the power supply died. I replaced it with whatever was on sale on Amazon at the time (750W Corsair). Things are fine for a while, but fast forward to last week, a year later, and this one year old power supply dies again. I file for the warranty and RMA it. In the meantime, I ordered another random power supply off of Amazon. I install this new one and it lasts about 1 hour before dying. I return it thinking maybe I got unlucky. The replacement for the RMA Corsair comes back, I install it, and this one lasts 15 minutes before dying. WTF is going on? I don't remember power supplies being this fragile. Did I just get unlucky with defective PSUs 3 times in a row?

Important Hardware News :
Daniel Owen does not recomend the 9070xt, reaffirms Nvidias brutal domination.
>>106285981
Filthy power is what's killing your powersupplies.

>>106284083
>Suprim
When's this gonna drop closer to PNY prices?

>>106286001
>Filthy power is what's killing your powersupplies.
Okay, so yes, the house's power is somewhat unstable, but is that really enough to kill a power supply? I can see incandescent lights dim for a split second when the air conditioning comes on, but a multimeter in a wall socket reads a constant ~122V, so the capacitors inside the multimeter are apparently enough to not see a fluctuation there.

>>106285458
Update that ASRock board BIOS before you install the CPU.

>>106285961
>a game that is supposed to have a good hdr implementation
There aren't that many games with a good native HDR mode.
An anon said Ghost of Tsushima is one of those games, but I'm not buying that game for an HDR tech demo.

want to get a new pc next year, was curious if ddr6 or anything major is near the horizon or should i just buy whats currently out by then rather than hold out?

>>106286039
Well point is testing something that works
And it's unimpressive idk

>>106286001
Daniel Owen benches 3plates, it's time to get back in the gym

>>106286001
QRD? I watch his videos but havent had the time to lately. I thought nvidia had the 12 volt issue and not AMD? seems counter productive

>>106285593
supers are the same price, or cheaper, just better specs.

>>106285714
no way they would become that cheap

>>106285981
I'm spitballing here but a motherboard could be backfeeding voltage to the ps-on pin or the power good pin
These pins are only ever supposed to be basic signals. Power good is just supposed to be a low current 5v signal and PS-on is suppose to be grounded.

These pins probably aren't protected from any kind of issue on the mobo end and can fry the controller on the PSU

>>106286077
wait where up to c5 now, actually dw c4 may be in the bargain bin now.

>>106286055
Only things on the radar are the RTX 50 supers probably later this year and zen 6 probably sometime next year
No DDR6 or new socket from AMD until 2028 probably. Intel makes a new socket for every gen so its a moot point

>>106286055
DDR6 is a decade away.

>>106286027
Yep. I got the issue warning on pcpartpicker. I'll be sure to do that.

>>106286016
Probably never, it's the top premium model similar to Astral. But depending on your location MSI might have its own shop, they tend to have much better prices than majority of other shops.
>>106286055
DDR6 is probably somewhere in 2028/29. Late next year/early 27 we will have Zen6 and UDNA/60 series. You also will probably want to skip first generation of DDR6 due to high prices and early issues.

>>106285855
Thanks, I'll look into it.

>>106285981
Have you changed the power cables each time?

>>106286075
Is there a release date? Like sometime this year?

>>106286063
NTA and don't give a fuck about what that grifter thinks but 12v is only a problem for 5090 and to a lesser degree 4090, 5080 and 4080. 9700xt competitor is the 5070(ti) which doesn't use enough power to melt.

How do people decide whether or watercool their GPU or their CPU, if they were to choose?

>>106286084
It's possible, but I'd imagine it would fail in some other way. All 3 PSUs that I tested this week fail in the same way where the paperclip test will trigger the PSU fan to start spinning but immediately give up. The PSUs also still provide standby power in the off state.

>>106286133
Yes. Each time I used the power cables that came with the PSU.

>>106286022
>Okay, so yes, the house's power is somewhat unstable, but is that really enough to kill a power supply?
I can with anecdotal evidence say yes, but I'm not an electrician so I can't offer any actual advice or insight.
>>106286063
9070xt is only $50 cheaper than the card with the featureset you actually want, the plug thing is overblown. You worry about that as you near/exceed 600w, even then it's likely nothing will happen.
5070 vs 9070 he gives a split recommendation only because of the vram,

>>106286192
Do you want the most cost effective?
Do you want the quietest?
Do you want something that will last until the end of time?

How you answer these will determine the recommendation

>>106286192
i only use my pc for gaming and web browsing so i just air cool my cpu

>>106286197
maybe if the supers are better than the 9070xt otherwise no need for anything bigger since I only do 1440p atm.

apparently arms length is the perfect distance for a 27inch monitor, is there any validity to this claim?

i don't know which gpu to get... everything is still so expensive...

>>106286365
Tell us what games you want to play in what resolution reaching what framerates and then maybe we'll be able to tell you

>everything is still so expensive
anyone who believes 1080p is no longer good enough for them deserves to be paypig

>>106286333
Depends on not just the size but resolution and therefore the effective pixel density and pixels per degree of visual acuity:
https://phrogz.net/tmp/ScreenDensityCalculator.html#find:density,pxW:1920,pxH:720,size:12.3,sizeUnit:in,axis:diag,distance:31,distUnit:in
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wrNefo8Vod5ih3sDrkdyw-On8nbvP-irodcjdSFHH34/template/preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKtElvxl8A

Higher resolution and pixels per inch of density allow you to sit closer for a more immersive experience. Ideally you want to close enough to have the panel, regardless of its size, fill up all of your entire field of view but not close enough that you can pick out the individual pixels that make up the image (or the space between them called the screen door effect).

Do you guys use a mousepad?

>>106286446
Not only do I have a desksized mousepad, but I also have a smaller mousepad for my mouse on top of that. I got it for free and didnt know what to do with it.

>>106286436
>bigger screen and field of visual acuity = more immersion
i feel like this is pseudoscience

>>106286446
nope

>>106286436
>Ideally you want to close enough to have the panel, regardless of its size, fill up all of your entire field of view
No one actually does this do they? Is that why you nerds always lose your eyesight and need big nerdy glasses?

>>106286446
I have no idea how one can use mouse without a pad.

>>106286365
Prices won't get significantly lower, at least for GeForce cards.
Jensen made that pretty clear a few years ago.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/moores-laws-dead-nvidia-ceo-jensen-says-in-justifying-gaming-card-price-hike-11663798618

>>106286485
Immersion isn't scientific in the first place, and that's the opposite of what he said. Higher ppi at same res means smaller screen.
Though I don't see why sitting closer would necessarily be more immersive assuming same ppd, either.

>>106286231
>>106286232
I'd love no noise, but I've never watercooled. I'm used to banshee screaming GPUs and wonder what the other side is like...

>>106280660
>join the Republic of Gay cunts now
No sodomite cruise elsewhere

>>106286495
>prices increase due to costs increases/poor yields
>customers buy up all the products anyway
You know how mad he is he didn't spike prices 10 years earlier? They grossly underpriced their products

>>106264299
What are you plugging into the pcie card?

it seems like every gaming mouse i see has the thumb buttons front-back (top drawing)

are there any that have the thumb buttons top-bottom like the second drawing? like, my thumb rests between the buttons and i just rotate it up or down to click them

>>106286957
not that I'm aware of, I know about logitech mice with a lot of side buttons but it fills whole side

>>106286704
>t. closet faggot
Don't worry anon, asus has got you covered and made the perfect card for you

>>106280720
That board seems decent, the M.2 slot connected to the chipset (M2C_SB) is disabled if you use the third PCIe x16 slot.
That third x16 lane runs at only Gen 4 x2 anyway.

>>106280871
You should use a liquid cooler for that CPU if you expect to run it near full utilization quite often.
I am not sure if Ryzen 9000 CPUs can run 2x 48GB kits running at 6400MT/s, you might have better luck with 6000MT/s kits of the same capacity.

I wouldn't use any Gigabyte PSU, especially for a workstation PC.
They had a lower-end PSU with reliability issues, and they stopped sending review units to reliable PSU testers.
Spend a bit more for the Super Flower LEADEX VII Platinum PRO, FSP Group Hydro PTM X PRO, or be quiet! Straight Power 12.
be Quiet Pure Power 2 is a slightly cheaper alternative, but they use Chinese caps (not a deal breaker imo).


>>106280819
RTX 50 Supers (5080 & 5070/Ti) are rumored to release towards the end of this year, no 5090 Super though.
I don't think AMD's releasing a new CPU, you might find some nicely discounted Ryzen 9000.

>>106286957
>are there any that have the thumb buttons top-bottom like the second drawing?
I've only found ones with four thumb buttons that will have that top-bottom button config.
But they are all old/discontinued like the HyperX Pulsefire Raid or Logitech G700.
The Razer Naga V2 has swappable side plates, one with three sets of top-bottom buttons. It's expensive..

>people have been telling me that the SUPERs will be 10%+ more performance and 50% more vram for the same or lower price than the current cards
I just can't believe it, no way Jensen throws us a bone when he's selling every single GPU he can make.

>>106287470
They sold every GPU in the first few months because of scalpers hoarding a supply limited by the Chinese New Year holiday which haulted production. Since that time production has picked up, and with tariffs general demand has softened which is why we're seeing GPUs beginning to approach MSRP because they aren't selling well. It has been reported that Nvidia was planning to cut prices on vanilla cards not only to stem the ASP bleeding and inventory overstocking but also to make room to replace the cards with their Super variants and the same MSRP they were originally.
https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/nvidia-is-reportedly-slashing-rtx-5000-series-gpu-prices-but-im-expecting-scalpers-to-ruin-our-fun

>>106287502
nvidia also fucked up by ending ada production 2 quarters earlier and had serious demand built up from the lack of near-msrp highend gpus for more than 3 months

holy shit are you actually telling me the GPU drought might come to an end and we might be able to get powerful cards with reasonable amounts of vram at a fair price?

I genuinely did not believe the day would come for another 10+ years.

>>106287661
When the new process node comes out the same shit will happen again

>>106287686
it's okay anon. eventually everything will be priced in and we'll all be getting 20k cuda cores and 64gb vram cards for $500 like god intended.

>>106286333
That's about how mine is despite not using that metric

>>106287702
and that card will be barely enough for 1080p 120hz while the top end card would have 100k cuda cores and cost $5000 msrp $8000 street price

>>106287743
>and that card will be barely enough for 1080p 120hz

The year is 2010.
I'm playing in 720p at 24fps on a $400 computer

The year is 2025.
I'm playing at 720p AI upscaled to 1080p and 30 fps AI frame generated to 60 on a $1200 computer

The year is 2040.
I'm playing at 720p AI upscaled to QHD 1440p and at 40fps AI frame generated to 144 on a $3600 computer

What's the best value AM4 CPU? I'm trying to get another year or two out of my aging covid build. I'm eyeing a used 3080, but I don't know what to pair it with. I hear I missed the insane aliexpress 5700x3D deals. Anything similar I should be looking out for?

>>106287778
best value best value? the 5600g with no gpu... but that's for a child's first minecraft rig.
best value is probably the 5800x imo. 8 cores 16 threads but fewer people are bidding on them because it's 36mb instead of 96mb l3 cache. Your money will also go further with a modest cooler given the lower TDP
AM4 is good because DDR4 ram is cheap as hell and beats DDR5 in some edge cases.

>>106287778
maybe try finding $200-250 5800x3ds in your local area from am5 upgraders

INTEL WON

288MB L3 CACHE, AYYMDEAD 96MB CUC_K CACHE SIMPLY CAN'T COMPETE

>>106287778
You can get a 5800XT right now for 140 dollars

can anyone give me advice on whether these things are good or bad?

https://www.amazon.com/ELUTENG-Expansion-Controller-Adapter-Windows/dp/B0BN46KS26

>>106287997
didn't mean to paste that image in while posting

>>106287880
he also claimed that zen7 is supported on am5 this week??

>>106287997
In principal they're fine; converting PCIe to USB is not complicated. That one in particular looks pretty chinky though what with the spelling errors and lack of info (PCIe revision) in the description. I doubt that x1 interface has enough total bandwidth to supply all the USB ports fully. You'd want an x4 for multiple simultaneous 10g links.

>>106287880
>LOL MLID
But anyway the big, if true, line of this entire slide would be Intel committing to 4 Generations on LGA 1954 (first time I'm hearing about Titan Lake and Hammer Lake).
That would exceed the support LGA 1700 had and make up for the abortion that is LGA 1851.
Furthermore, if as expected, Zen 6 is the last release on AM5 before AMD transitions to AM6 we could end up with a repeat of the situation before where a cheap and plentiful socket from Intel capable of using mature-fast memory (ala Alder Lake) makes the alternative from AMD that has a low supply of expensive motherboards on a new socket mandating expensive new DDR6 RAM (ala Zen 4) look like gold-plated garbage.

>>106288230
can you link something like it for me to use?

>>106288318
zen7 is now planned for am5 according to mlid

>>106288318
>>106287880
>the abortion that is LGA 1851.
Intel should have had the decency of making Nova Lake fit the 1851 socket. It would have gone a long way in regaining credibility and earned some good will to the people they scammed with a useless Motherboards. I know it wouldn't be as easy and in their current state I doubt they have the talent.

>>106280532 (OP)
why are all 3 of these basically the same? are the higher prices of the 8845 and 8945 really just for the AI crap tacked on? should i save money and get one with the 7840 if i dont run a local LLM?

>>106286333
As far from eyes as feasible. Having the monitor too close and heavy usage really fucks with your eyes.

Is the b580 good for 2K, is paypigging for 9060xt worth it?
Tech powerup says
>10M more transistors
>25% performance increase
>1/3rds price increase
Also how does transistor count work? Like the RTX 5070 Ti looks like an inferior product compared to the 9070 XT per transistor count and density but it has better performance(TC) as far i know. Almost exactly the same ∆TC as between the B580 and the 9060 XT, 10Million desu

>>106288578
Pretty much yeah but they're all mobile chips so you don't really choose one as much as you choose the laptop surrounding it. Thermals, ergo, and build quality matter way more than the raw specs.

>>106288603
>Is the b580 good for 2K, is paypigging for 9060xt worth it?
Eh neither one is great for modern AAA 1440p but the 9060XT is definitely the better pick. Assuming you can afford it obviously.

>how does transistor count work?
If you don't work in the engineering department, transistor count is just something to put on a slide deck. Bigger number = more betterer.

>>106288424
Nah sorry man there's way too many of them out there plus I live in a different country. All I'm saying is that most of them are generally fine™ but you should do your standard due diligence as with any minor component purchase. Read the description, skim customer reviews, check buyer protections, that sort of thing.

>>106288719
will do. thanks anon

>>106288713
>>106288713
>>106288713