Thread 106303122

Ah yes what could possibly go wrong using cloudflare for every website

cloudflare might be in for a fight with the UK gov for not blocking sites

surely cloudflare wouldn't do that thing that all the banks and payment processors are doing and try to use their monopoly to force their personal politics onto the entire internet

>>106303122 (OP)
>let's process all out payments with 2 payment providers
>let's process all pur web requests with 1 protection service
people are just dumb cattle sheep

>>106303161
Add browser engines to your list, what could possibly go wrong using the browser made by an advertisement company

>>106303122 (OP)
there's like 30 different alternatives to cloudflare. although some are a bit slower but still usable

>>106303212
like the so-called alternative engine in failfox, getting most of its money from google

>>106303235
any working foss alternative?

cloudflare is nsa

>>106303161
you get ddosed, harassed, and in particular cases murdered if you don't comply

>>106303255
>i need my third-party MITM interface to be open source

>>106303255
anubis?

>>106303122 (OP)
Works in my machine

>>106303265
Anubis doesn't stop ddos. Apparently only 20% of the internet uses Cloudflare but it feels more like 99% to me.

>>106303264
how is it mitm if I host it myself?

>>106303122 (OP)
I blame saruei

>get DDoSed if you don't use cloudflare
>get your politics dictated to you by some corporation if you do use cloudflare
1st amendment status: BTFO

>>106303257
Who’s gotten murdered by not using cloudflare?

>>106303328
The solution is simple, you just start enforcing that platform vs publisher clause. If these people want to operate as publishers, then they are civilly and criminally liable for all content they allow through. See how fast they backtrack.

>>106303357
This. If they can moderate the content, then everything that goes thru is on them. I think it makes sense to the even average retard NPC. Problem is, how do you enforce it? You take the zog mitm to the kike courts?

>>106303357
>you want to get them to start enforcing this
>you sue them because they won't do it otherwise
>your entire family tree gets debanked

>>106303157
as a net shareholder i say this is the gubment's fault

>>106303287
you're going to self-host your DDOS protection?

>>106303357
>hello this is the 6th district zogcourt we have investigated zogcorp and concluded that they have broken no zoglaws

>>106303348
mcaffee

>>106303283
90% of web traffic comes from ~50 sites or so - that's why.

>>106303122 (OP)
someone should address these concerns to matthew prince, CEO, who works at 100 townsend street, san francisco, ca.

>>106303122 (OP)
Cloudflare is evil. Your fingerprint is your Net ID. It's the biggest datamining scam ever.

Websites operated without DDoS mitigation before Cloudflare existed and they can operate without Cloudflare now

>>106303122 (OP)
>sign up to the protection racket
>they are the ones breaking your windows now instead of other folks
many such cases

>>106303255
>>106303743
You will never be able to overcome DoS if they have more bandwidth. Make them waste CPU before they can interact with you.

>>106303844
m8 when the nsa fucks with you they kill your upstream, you can be as clever as you want with your lamp boxen

Since this isn't KF and a lot of transgender users like booru sites is it time to start caring about cloudflare's domineering political behaviour or should I still be cheering for it?

>>106303844
>Make them waste CPU before they can interact with you.
They can just flood you without interacting with your PoW challenge at all.

>porn site
And nothing of value was lost

>>106303122 (OP)
There's an update btw
Gelbooru isn't outright saying Cloudflare is censoring them because two other sites they run seem to be doing just fine. So if things stay up for the next few hours it means routing is fucked, not Cloudflare.

>>106303994
That's not what that says

>>106303122 (OP)
Why the fuck does everyone still use cloudflare? Every hosting platform offers VIPs for no extra cost these days.

>>106303949
Fuck you nigger it's the biggest and oldest fanart site on the western internet
>Anime, nothing of value is lost
Anime website, reddit users.

>>106304001
What does it say then?
Cloudflare didn't disable their account, if that's what you're saying.

>>106303949
nigga hold on. there's a lot of non-pornographic material on there.

>>106303862
>>106303871
You're all so fucking retarded, you only exist in first order response

>>106304020
It says four sites were impacted and two weren't using tiered caching

>>106303864
Go ask /pol/ if it's OK to have a single site control the internet because clearly you need to be spoonfed from The_Donald

>>106304028
the site is up right now using cloudflare. They just disabled tiered caching

>>106303122 (OP)
don't trust anyone that has a lot of power. there's reasons they got in that place

>>106303585
>shareholder
kys. you are the root of all evil.

>>106303585
Since you have a stake in it, that means you can protest it.

>>106303235
Such as? I don't know any service that has the same DDoS protection capabilities that Cloudflare offers but I'm open to suggestions.

>>106303265
Anubis does not protect your services from DDoS or exposing origin IPs.

>>106303810
Back in the day botnets were not as capable as they are now.

>>106304035
They were against it before but people on /g/ said it was good and cloudflare was good and anyone that didn't like checking the box was a spammer

>>106303122 (OP)
maybe don't host illegal content? normal websites are not experiencing such issues with cloudflare

>>106304086
People on /g/ are disgusting jeets who are on the payroll of major banks and corporations with the explicit intention on replacing white collar jobs with factory-farm shitter factories. Don't listen to anything /g/eet says and that includes this thread.

>>106304101
Here's one such jeet now
>illegal
drawings aren't illegal fucknigger. especially not in the state he hosts it in which explicitly states it's legal.

>>106304101
>normal websites are not experiencing such issues with cloudflare
https://reason.com/2022/09/08/cloudflare-can-cancel-service-to-terrible-websites-like-kiwi-farms-but-should-it/
Cloudflare has censored dozens of legitimate sites under government pressure.

>>106304163
>a forum solely dedicated to organized doxxing and harrassment, aka gangstalking
>legitimate site

Please. Those cunts should be in jail, they have no right to complain about being deplatformed. A better example would the Dailystormer, which, while being politically incorrect, doesn't harm anyone.

>>106304083
>Such as? I don't know any service that has the same DDoS protection capabilities that Cloudflare offers but I'm open to suggestions.
I thought Akamai was explicitly the anti-Cloudflare. It's where Kiwifarms ran to after they got shuttered.

>>106304083
>Such as? I don't know any service that has the same DDoS protection capabilities that Cloudflare offers but I'm open to suggestions.
Fastly. Or Akamai. Fastly is the better solution but it's more expensive.

>>106304219
>>106304240
Thanks, I wonder how much would either quote me for proxying non-HTTP traffic, Cloudflare's enterprise offering for magic transit was too expensive.

>>106304298
Give it a shot, if you're the gelbooru guy (I know he posts here occasionally incognito) nothing hurts to ask for a quote.

I don't use cloudflare

>>106303122 (OP)
I thought we could have a nice unmonetized part of the internet even if payment processors blocked everything, but what are you supposed to do if the nsa wil ddos you until you switch to cuckflare?

>>106303122 (OP)
Good thing I've been using Grabber for the past 5 years to bulk download all the artists I like.

Data hoarders win again.

>>106304101
Literally Facebook, Instagram and Twitter were down because of Cloudflare

>>106303122 (OP)
Cloudflare is Wrong. It's evil. It's breaking sites and doesn't work in otherwise good browsers. Cloudlfare must go! I've been saying this for years and only now are some of you figuring out what was obvious to me, years ago. You fools should have listened to me! Get rid of Cloudflare!

>>106304466
I'm not, but I run a non-web service that's been a target of large volume DDoS attacks.

>>106303122 (OP)
Both are up for me. Guessing a weird issue, and not a payment processor thing like the paranoid think.

so if you don't buy a cf subscription as website owner they just ddos you until you give in?

>>106303161
>just make your own payment processor
>just write your own ddos protection
What the fuck are people supposed to do, you blame-shifting kike? They should be legally required to process any and all requests properly.

>>106304949
Yes that's how a protection racket works

>>106304969
Make your own government

>>106304969
my country had it's own payment processor for online payments but it wasn't popular among people and so the rollout did not expand, now they shut it down. Even now Interac is virtually accepted everywhere in Canada but is not used as widely as MC and visa. The only place where people were based was in Montreal where they did not accept MasterCard or visa at many convenience stores. The clerk even said, Canadian cards only or cash
>Burger
what is amex, what are balance cards, what is cash

>>106303212
Even Ladybird has corpo sponsors now, and Servo is part of the Linux Foundation aka corpo "charity".

>>106304475
You do to post on 4chan, and you need a kyc wallet to buy pass now.

>>106304628
Retroshare, Tor. But realistically, it's not Cloudflare that's stopping us from making the internet a nice place again.

>>106305047
>what is amex
I've noticed a handful of vendors denying them again because business owners can't handle amex taking an additional 1% on processing fees.

>>106304163
Gelbooru is more legal and less harmful to society than KF

>>106304008
>oldest fanart site on the western internet
that's not even close. newgrounds was launched in 1995, devianart in 2000
it's not even the oldest in its own little subcategory of weebshit, since danbooru was started 2 years earlier, in 2005
did it never fucking occur to you that gelbooru scrapes from danbooru, and not the other way around?

>>106304969
>just make your own payment processor
>just write your own ddos protection

>>106305401
Danbooru is affected too, Zoomer. It started with Danbooru.

>>106304057
you too can be a part of the problem

>>106305503
talk is cheap, where's your card network

>>106303122 (OP)
If you ever find yourself on the /r/selfhosted subreddit, you'll see that the majority of the morons on there even use Cloudflare (tunnels) to gatekeep access to their own self hosted services. This shit is out of control.

>>106305536
first of all, it's not my fault you are retarded and have poor grasp of English, to the point where you can't even properly name the thing you are talking about. the tweet is from gelbooru, it's mostly about gelbooru, therefore that's what "it" will refer to for any sensible reader
second of all, thinking that danbooru is the first western fanart site makes you a fucking underage, not me

>>106303290
Fucking frog cunt

>>106303357
This would totally work but it operates on the assumption that the government and the private sector censorship police aren't on the same team

>>106305546
I'm not a payment processor.

>>106305710
indeed

>>106305693
as the twitter files showed it's literally all run out of the state department

so that's why grabber and ikachan are useless now?

>>106306087
nvm grabber works but ikachan is still broken

>>106305580
>first of all, it's not my fault you are retarded and have poor grasp of English
No, the tweet that you replied to outright said Danbooru was affected first, I'm sorry that you can't read Ranjeet.

>install ransomware
>get ransomwared
>how could this happen?? It was Free!

>>106303255
basedflare? Also drops the MITM part

>>106303255
kiwiflare

>>106307607
Where is the source code?

>>106303265
>>106307575
>>106307607
None of these stop ddos they are just different implementations of a proof of work challenge

>>106307643
Coming soon. But I'm pretty sure its mostly stolen from some foss shit you could track down and recreate it with

>>106307672
If all you need to do is stop ddos, can't you just use a good opnsense set up with ddos protection from your ISP, or from a VPS provider that won't tls terminate?

>>106307688
Idk some other anon said if the ddos is strong enough your ISP will blackhole you and basically only cloudflare works

>>106307674
>Coming soon
Yeah no.

>its mostly stolen from some foss shit you could track down and recreate it with
Yes, haproxy-protection from BasedFlare and Nginx-Lua-Anti-DDoS from Conor McKnight.

>>106307703
Cloudflare is the best but it depends on who you're trying to block. The average >>>/g/ user's adversaries likely don't have the resources to bring anything past basic protection down.

>>106304969
tbqh if kiwifarms, the most targetted website on the internet, can run without cloudflare, then everybody else should be able to do so as well.

Cloudflare is used for convenience, not neccessity.
People get spooked when they encounter their first DDoS and join the cloudflare botnet.
Even if you can't defend against a DDoS and it puts you down, it will stop within an hour or so. They are always temporary.
Having 99.8% of uptime instead of 99.9%, is ok. You can just accept the downtime. Still better than using cloudflare.

you vill not have the cartoon cp goy

>retarded weebs fuck up
>reeee censorship
kek

>>106305121
no more crypto? since when?

>>106307688
>can't you just use a good opnsense set up with ddos protection from your ISP, or from a VPS provider that won't tls terminate?
Cool down with the antisemitic remarks

>>106303122 (OP)
Should've known better than to use cuckflare

>>106307799
They take crypto but only from sites with your identity known like coinbase

>>106307703
Yes, a proper actual DDoS does that.
They SYN flood you so hard that the ISP blackholes you. Not the datacenter, but the ISP of the datacenter.

I encountered this three times. The one time i contacted the support of the datacenter because of it, it was already over before they answered, so i only got a "works on my machine" back.
Those DDoS attacks are about 30 min. They do stop once you got blackholed, because they have to protect their botnet as well, and have no interest in the whole world logging them. And the blackhole can take up to half a day before it gets lifted.

The best defense against it is to have multiple IPs on the server (you usually have those anyway) and bind ssh to a fixed one, on which you block everything else.
Now you can still access the server in case of a blackhole.
Then you use this access to bind the webserver to a different remaining IP, update DNS and keep going.
You could even have a script that automatically does that.

The thing is: Are you REALLY bothered by a 15min downtime once per month?
If not, then you don't need cloudflare.
Because any other form of DDoS (and those are most) can be mitigated by nginx, fail2ban or better application code.

>>106307820
why do this when well known ban evasion services exist? i'm posting on one via mullvad lol

>>106304949
no, ddos protection for web traffic is free

>>106307914
it's not if they can turn your shit off at will

>>106307923
plus collecting all that visitor info

>>106307862
Some sites get ddosed for longer than that I think

>>106307716
>Yeah no.
It is though? He just wants to release it under his non profit so he held off until that was ready

>>106303844
You cannot use proof of work to mitigate bandwidth based DDoS, it’s there to prevent mass-crawling and bot traffic, both of which care about the contents of the webpage. Someone trying to DDoS you doesn’t give a shit. Some DoS attacks utilise configuration flaws and can be mitigated, but flooding your network with so much traffic that everything crawls to a halt cannot be without adding more bandwidth to your network. A sufficiently large attack will not just stall your server, but all your networking equipment as well. CloudFlare deals with these attacks by letting you flip a switch that reroutes all traffic through their networks, which have absurd throughput capabilities and can then be used to identify problem IPs and then black hole them, or just serve a static version of the site until the attack ends.

You cannot deal with these if you run your own equipment, you need your own fibre lines and stupidly expensive networking gear to be able to sink that much traffic without effectively going offline anyway.

>>106307688
A proper DDoS will turn your OPNsense box into a brick, and your ISPs solution will be to blackhole all traffic into the void until the attack stops, so that other customers aren’t DDoS’ed as well. CloudFlare works by letting you flip a switch to reroute all traffic destined to your site through their network first. Since they own their own backbone and have a network designed specifically for dealing with this, their network won’t fall over and die trying to filter requests the way most others would.

>>106303122 (OP)
That could be bad. I use gelbooru to find the names of anime characters. Its funny that a porn website is the best source for searching for characters.

>>106308085
Yeah but as a home user with maybe a few hundred visitors a month would I ever have that massive of a ddos? Besides, the vps provider can handle all that at worst instead of cloudflare and they won't MITM.

>>106308123
VPS will kick you off if you cause enough issues, and the scale of DDoS can be entirely unrelated to your relevance, botnets and DDoS for hire are cheap as shit nowadays, and they’ll hammer any home setup into the dirt. Bigger issue for home users is that it’d also kill your outgoing internet unless you have a separate connection for your homelab vs personal devices.

It’s not really worth worrying about unless you’re running something people might object to, or go around shit-stirring in skid type communities. Once it happens once, then you can worry about building against it

>>106308085
Are there any good ways to stop ddos just as a regular home user? I don't even host anything so all my ports are closed, but I guess I can still get ddos'd regardless. I don't see why cloudflare would help though if all my traffic is outgoing.

>host illegal material
>nobody wants to do business with you
Reminder that the owner of Gelbooru was pushing retarded conspiracy theories about Trump too.

>>106303122 (OP)
Someone give me a mnemonic to remember the difference between the two sites. Which is the good one?

>>106307887
mods are dumb and hiro just wants your money.

>>106304021
Suuurre there is.

>>106307733
it's not the most targeted website online

>>106308202
Danbooru hides material behind a gold account.
Gelbooru doesn't but has ads.

>>106308054
Duh.

>>106308251
So gelbooru is the good one

>>106308263
If you have an adblocker, yeah.

>>106308269
Or I can just ignore the ads

>>106308342
Not him but why the fuck wouldn't you just install an adblocker

>>106308150
Your only options for this are basically cloudflare and akamai right?

>>106303122 (OP)
>Gelbooru
>Danbooru
Irrelevant.
Those are just piracy websites no normie really cares about and a lot of artists hate.
Cloudfare or not, just surprised that they're still up.

>>106308342
Adverts can carry malware. Nothing is safe.

>>106307914
so if i don't let cf mitm all my web traffic, they just ddos you until you give in?

>>106308413
yes

>>106304969
For the payments you could simply accept crypto and cash by mail, it'll be a hit to sales at first but eventually people will get used to it

>>106307887
based, same. ill never not post from one of these again, the quality of life is great. type your message, click the button, done. as moot intended

>>106304969
If dark net markets can manage to stay up without anything like cloudfare despite being ddosed very often, while not even requiring JS for a proof of work method, clearnet sites should be able to handle it fine too (pesonally I'd just use an open source proof of work method)

>>106304086
Have you tried using your brain and forming your own opinions you retarded sheep? You shouldn't need matching orders from the Trump bootlicking cult to decide whether this is good or bad, it's fucking pathetic that you people are like this.

>>106303801
thanks kind stranger
I will personally go there and feed him his children's intestines

>>106303122 (OP)
Just wait until they get to AWS.

>>106308746
Just give me an answer is Cloudflare good or bad? Because when it came to kf dropping them everyone here said cloudflare good and now it's come to booru sites being fucked by them it's cloudflare bad

just seems strange /g/'s opinion on them can turn from good to bad wholly dependent on which website they choose to fuck with

Or am I missing something and should decide whether cf is good or not on a site to site basis on what they choose to fuck with

right now 4chan is in their goodbooks so I'll say cloudflare good

but if that changes I'll say cloudflare bad

Decentralized internet or death of the internet.

>>106308818
cloudflare is fast, and that makes it good for normie uses where the site administration is working toward the same globohomo goal.
cloudflare is also abusive and monopolistic and dangerous. I would sacrifice speed and uniform performance if it meant that alternative cache and CDN providers would compete on service quality and TOS permissiveness

>>106308829
>Decentralized internet
It already is decentralized. Decentralized systems like this go through boom/bust cycles where everyone ends up on one part for a little while. Cloudflares day is today and tomorrow it will be another Yahoo.

>>106308818
>kf dropping them everyone here said cloudflare good
No? We said it's understandable.
They're an infrastructure provider, one Biden seemed to like than most others but typically infrastructure providers are very content neutral because the second they get picky everyone goes somewhere else.

>>106308818
>everyone here said
>/g/'s opinion
>fuck with
>I'll say
>reddit spacing on top

Guess who zeroed in and started pointing at porn as a central issue in the fertility debate? 4chan partly did this. Elites have decided normies can't have porn else they get sucked into the goon cave. Society is feminist of course so the "elementary-schooler raped by 7ft hybrid vampire werewolf" novels are of course no problem at all even after doctors started asking women to please stop having chocking fetishes due to brain damage.
>>106308879
But the payment processors aren't.

>>106303122 (OP)
Who cares? we have boorus in your own pockets.

>>106308879
infrastructure is still centralized

It's 2025. How is DDoS still a problem

>>106310249
>Hey, you need to purchase our DDoS protection, you wouldn't want hackers to target your server, right?
>*immediate DDoS attack happens to server that has been fine for the last 15 years*
haha wow, how indeed!

>>106305106
and let me guess, having sponsors is somehow "le bad"

>>106310297
It's a fucking protection racket. Thus it's illegal and RICO charges should be used against anyone doing it. Good luck getting the government to do that though.
DDOS is straight up racketeering these days.

>>106310444
The Pentagon spams random forums with fucking CP. These people are fucking insane.

>>106303357
This is correct and it always pisses me off it is not enforced.

>>106303395
>>106303522
>>106303771
>>106305693
The pushback shows that it would work.

>>106308818
It is an effective tool but gathers tons of data and serves as a gatekeeper for half the internet so for you the end user or is bad news. There is no real competition so CloudFlare does whatever the fuck it wants, its owners now have power and leverage far beyond the tool's original purpose and they WILL make your life worse for profit.

>>106303122 (OP)
>subsidized no/low cost gatekeeper
>suddenly appears out of nowhere
>mitm that completely fucks up the https security model
it was always a glowie control scheme

>>106310472
I know, the FBI spammed 4chan with CP to force moot to turn over the servers to them. I know their bullshit tricks.

>>106303789
real facts

>>106303157
>their personal politics onto the entire internet

Not really. they just want to stay low profile to avoid any inquiry about their monopoly so they get rid of anything once it become too sensible.

>>106311002
> they just want to stay low profile
>deplatforms tons of legit sites like Danbooru
No, they have reached the monopoly stage, now comes the oligarchy stage

>>106303122 (OP) >>106304083
ddos-guard.net works and better yet it's from russia so you know it won't get compromised by zog.

>>106303122 (OP)
Stop being antisemitic.

>>106311660
Instead it will be compromised by Ivan. Very nice.

>>106311159
>legit sites
you are delusional.

>>106307944
They don't say what type of ddos, though.
It could have been the good old
>rape an expensive api with tens of thousands of proxies
In which case a change in the application could have fixed it. Cloudflare doesn't add much of a benefit here, except of a nice UI where you can enable a challenge and rate limit and filter by country... but you can do that without cloudflare as well.

Attacks with millions of zombies raping you so hard that you get blackholed, never last.
The largest one that cloudflare ever encountered with 7.3 Tbps was only 45 seconds long.
Is it really reasonable to try to defend against that? Just accept those 5min downtime.

>>106312928
Here the data from cloudflare itself.

If you are fine with 10min downtime, 90% of L3/L4 DDoS attacks won't bother you. If you are ok with up to an hour, none of them will bother you.
You just have to make sure that you recover automatically. Not that it crashes the server and you have to manually restart.

HTTP request floods are the thing you have to worry about, because they can last for days, depending on how little is needed to put you down.
Basically, rate-limiting on the webserver level and detecting of botched requests on the application level and triggering a firewall block. Which is what fail2ban or csf / lfd is for.
And don't have unreasonably expensive http endpoints in the first place.

>>106313169
So I have to waste weeks of my life clicking the stupid cloudflare captcha just so some website can prevent 10 minutes downtime?

>>106310472
>The Pentagon spams random forums with fucking CP. These people are fucking insane.
>>106310882
>I know, the FBI spammed 4chan with CP to force moot to turn over the servers to them. I know their bullshit tricks.
It's not the pentagon or FBI. It's 3rd worlders advertising their CP websites.

>>106311159
and payment processors block more and more porn sites
it has nothing to do with politics, they just don't want anyone, left or right, getting offended and hurting their image

>>106312885
You are retarded. Danbooru and Gelbooru are legitimate sites that are fully within their rights to host the content they host. Fuck you puriteen sharty piece of shit.

>>106313328
As are you, Danbooru and Gelbooru aren't porn sites, they host tons of fanart. Danbooru is one of the oldest fanart sites on the internet.

>>106312885
k tell us what's illegitimate about danbooru, you got ten minutes before I accept your concession

>>106314123
>>106312885
>Nothing
Concession accepted.
no need to thank me. Just doing my service in shitting down the turkey-necks of schizophrenic /pol/ and twitter tourists.

>>106314108
and a lot of the fanart is PORN, retard

>>106314238
Most of it isn't. Shitbrain. Most human art is porn, does that mean we must also censor art?

>>106314238
>and a lot of the fanart is PORN, retard
I can hear the little /pol/teen jumping up and down impotently in his room.

Don't go to your local library, either. If you feel that way.

>>106303357
>hehe ok goyim
>you "win"
>they now have to block everything by law instead of just doing it without a legal basis
>nobody can read anything you wrote because it's all blocked
>only officials can post on the internet, its basically just TV now

>haha I showed them jews a thing or two didn't I

>>106314272
You think /pol/niggers read or have value in books? They would probably try to eat one if you gave it to them.

>>106314246
Where did I say there's a need to censor porn?

My point is that it's a bad look to do business with a site that hosts weird hentai. And that's why stuff like that gets dropped.

>>106314280
They would also instantly fold. Like within a day, they would lose the vast majority of their customers. Unlike with Visa/Mastercard, Cloudflare isn't an exact monopoly, they maybe cover 20% of the internet.

>>106314287
>My point is that it's a bad look to do business with a site that hosts weird hentai
You just said there's a need to censor porn. /pol/brained dipshits are so mentally ill they can't even maintain a consistent train of thought between a single post before the r/t_d part of their brain takes over and immediately vomits talking points that run directly against their own worldview.

>>106314287
>Where did I say there's a need to censor porn?
NTA by claiming it's a "Bad look", you're excusing their attempts to censor sites that have nothing to do with porn. Danbooru is a fanart site. Whether it's porn or not is irrelevant. It's not selling pornography like something such as xhamster or pornhub, it's archiving fanart.

Again your little pee brain would explode if you walk into literally any library >>106314272

>>106314307
>You just said there's a need to censor porn.
Where?

>>106314316
What the fuck are you guys on about?
Have you even read my original post: >>106313328 ?

I'm not advocating or excusing censorship, I'm just explaining how it works

>>106314123
>>106314091
it literally has the tags: incest, rape, molestation, bestiality, ... as i have said, you are delusional.

>>106314318
dude shut the fuck up, I accepted your concession already. your only argument is that "ThErE CoULd bE PoRn ThErE ThAtS Bad FoR BuSiNeSS" never mind Cloudflare also act as backup hosts for places like Vimeo and Deviantart. this is a retarded opinion, and you know it. you're just being a contrarian little poltard.

>>106314374
>nOOoOOoooOOOOO there could be BAD TAGS there!!!!
>*hosts deviantart*
ok bud, but you lost. Be sure to piss down a little poltards throat for having such retarded opinions, /g/. they aren't gonna learn if you don't do it.

>>106310472
>The Pentagon spams random forums with fucking CP. These people are fucking insane.
>>106310882
>I know, the FBI spammed 4chan with CP to force moot to turn over the servers to them. I know their bullshit tricks.
It's not the pentagon or FBI doing it. It's people from the 3rd world advertising their CP forums.

>>106314360
>What the fuck are you guys on about?
Your opinion is bunk and what's available on Danbooru is also available in any Library. Yes, even actual pornography. Except Danbooru goes out of its way to specifically tag R-18 works, so it's even more controlled than a library.
In short, it's as legitimate of a site as any other Cloudflare hosts. Saying "Heh, I called it illegitimate, that means it shouldn't do business with anyone it's basically illegal! nice try, you are delusional" Just shows you're projecting your mentally ill disillusionment especially when you're posting on fucking 4chan.

You're a fucking idiot.

>>106314395
i am just saying that mastercard and visa don't want to be associated with that because they are problematic subjects targeted by associations and politicians. that's all. you are reacting ridiculously.

>>106314374
>it literally has the tags: incest, rape, molestation, bestiality,
so does 4chan. gonna run crying back to your home board?
as i said, i accept your concession. stop embarrassing yourself. this virtue signaling shit only works on reddit (another site with massive porn boards)

>>106314433
>i am just saying that
and I'm saying that: fuck you nigger. it's not their job nor their right to decide that while they also do business with actual child abuse businesses like roblox.

you're not just acting ridiculously, you're thinking like a basketcase. also you lost. i love watching poltards squirm.

>>106314395
>>106314376
>>106314272
it's not pol that is censoring people, it is standard status quo liberals

>>106314395
What are you talking about?
DeviantArt has a zero tolerance policy for things like sexual violence nowadays.

>>106314450
>it's not their job nor their right to decide that
but it is; they are corporations not public services.

>>106314453
>it's not pol that is censoring people
oh ok that's why the head of mastercard was a member of the bush administration's cabinet, collective shout is a christian organization, and the CEO of cloudflare is on the WEF's council of foriegn relations.

>>106314481
>but it is;
no it's not. they are public companies. they are beholden to their customers and the stock holders.
your only argument now is "fuck you private company can do what they want" literally 1:1 the same shit libtards said to you when you were being (rightfully) censored. almost like you and libtards are two sides of the same censorship coin? only they want you to refer to transgender folk by their real pronouns and you want to burn libraries to the dirt.

>>106314481
This is actually untrue, they made a statement, under oath, to the FCC back in the day that they would not use their power to leverage censorship. Here it is:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-and-free-speech/
They ONLY reneged on it one time, and it was a big fucking deal that was in all of the newspapers and had them going in front of congress itself because them going rogue meant the entire internet was at risk.

If they're going back on it again because "ew icky porn" then that's outright perjury under the law.

>>106314493
>they are public companies.
yes, corporations.

>>106314493
>they are beholden to their customers and the stock holders.
the shareholders may vote to elect the board of directors; if they are not happy with those decisions, they will vote accordingly.

>>106314513
i am talking about visa and mastercard.

>>106314513
pfft you think little pee-brain poltard cares? he's gonna come back with "Well laws don't count for Rich People so it's OK if they censor everyone :^)" which is 100% their only argument: make some extremist point where the only solution is violence and then make some false dichotomy to trap you in it.

never mind that we don't even know if this is targeted yet and Cloudflare has responded to protests before.

>>106314485
pol has nothing to do with mastercard and visa banning porn lol. in fact trump just signed an executive order so you can't use reputational risk to debank. so you can go ahead and thank pol for making it harder
>WEF
you mean the liberals that pol hates? lil bros retarded

>>106314531
see? see? i fucking told you, nigger only thinks "Oh yeah? board of directors is actually above the law, so they get to vote to break it!" because they don't believe in rule of law. that's why their response to losing an election was january 6th. you may as well be talking to a literal schizophrenic on the side of the road than reason with a poltard.

>>106314280
nothing you just said makes sense

>>106314543
which laws are you referring to?

>>106314531
>i am talking about visa and mastercard.
Well you really shouldn't, they are in direct violation of the law RIGHT NOW with EO 14331.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/guaranteeing-fair-banking-for-all-americans/

You're literally saying that it's their right to be violating the law and it's not. You're using an organization leverage criminal enterprise as an example of "PUBLIC COMPANY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT" and that's disingenuous, you may as well use the mafia as well.

>>106314541
I'm not Orange Man's biggest fan but I do agree with him on this.

>>106314564
how about the one that outright says visa and mastercard can't de-bank people anymore or the time cloudflare went under oath and said their job was not to censor sites but only made an exception one time (the time that got them in trouble)?

>>106314579
i am not sure about the relevancy of this. this is not about political or religious beliefs. they are not de-platforming Steam for being pro republican or christian.

>>106314625
>this is not about political or religious beliefs.
Depends on how you look at it, it's absolutely political, religious? depends on the company. Two of them did agree to break the law over 1000 emails from a single Christian Conservative group while they take calls that drain their finances to this day complaining about it.

>they are not de-platforming Steam for being pro republican or christian.
Simply put, they're de-platforming it because it's neither.

>>106314493
>they want you to refer to transgender folk by their real pronouns
They still look like ugly men, and so do you.

>>106303122 (OP)
>first mastercard/visa
>now cloudflare
I LOVE THIS TIMELINE I FUCKING LOVE SUCKING HURGE CORPO DICK

>>106314493
>(rightfully) censored
>censorship is ok when my people do it!
kys niggerfaggot

These troons cheered when kiwifarms was censored, now they are all angrily dilating when it happens to them. Good riddance! I hope they all ACK themselves

>>106308818
From what I can tell:

>the actual intended service provided by cloudfare can be useful for webisites with a lot of traffic
>said tool is simply a diversion for DDOS attacks so target website isnt brutally fucked
>for whatever reason the only company to actually offer this service is cloudfare
>because of said monopoly cloudfare goes on power trips with its own customers and flat out blockades them to a point where its arguable that its worse to even have cloudfare

In all honestly companies like this are why the internet has become a worse place over time and I hope they go under sooner rather than later

surprised they have not gone for sanco given how it has been overflowing with the most disgusting ai slop you can imagine the past years
whoever is running it really managed to ruin that site

>>106313259
Yes.

>>106314999
>>for whatever reason the only company to actually offer this service is cloudfare
It's not. Alternative providers like DDoSGuard exist.

>>106308236
Gelbooru/Danbooru is where I go to look for high quality art of whatever I'm interested in.
The porn there is hosted by other sites, but those other sites don't have the non-porn fanart.

The whole world isn't solely people you don't like jerking off, you sub-IQ monkey.

>>106311002
you sound mentally retarded. did you come here from reddit?

But redditors at r/askpolitics told me the banking act was a way of Drumpf to launder money

>>106304215
>i dont like them so they should be in jail
And this is why i prefer kiwifarm schizos to gooners.
And this is why nobody takes you serious when you tell us to care for your porn, while you demand for others to get put into jail for doing nothing illegal and commit libel against them.

>>106314977
>>106304163
>>106315179

If they are unhappy about that then Kiwifarms shouldn't have broken the law and threatened people.

>>106315278
It wasn't illegal, troons just didn't like it. Under Biden anything troons said became unofficial law via woke canceling campaigns.

>>106315352
Null featured this post:
https://archive.md/fHp7G
A few posts below, there's user saying he's working on raping and murdering a roblox ceo.
https://archive.md/fHp7G#post-22262197

>>106315405
That is not illegal. There are death threats on reddit as well. You can use the report button just like I'm sure you do on reddit every day against transphobes who don't like when you groom children on roblox. Also this post is in 2025 after troons already forced cf to drop kf so it proves nothing.

>>106315510
revenge porn is illegal and kiwifarms is full of it.

https://x.com/Yeop445187/status/1943070580225511546
>Whoa josh asked for a twelve year olds address and asked her to come on a roadtrip when he was 19?

>>106315569
That's also a new law and again the report button works and is enough legally (as sites like reddit and 4chan also use). In fact /b/ has constant "should not share threads" at least last I used it which are much more likely to contain revenge porn. Try again tranny. Meanwhile you grooming and raping children is actually illegal and you should be locked up in a mental asylum along with all other troons

>>106315632
>josh is based
Ok?

>>106315647
Revenge porn was illegal in most states before the take it down act was passed.

>>106315647
>Meanwhile you grooming and raping children is actually illegal and you should be locked up in a mental asylum along with all other troons
>>106315674
>josh is based
Are these the same person?

>>106303241
>nobody mentions firefox
>you REEEE FIREFOX REEEEEEEEEEEEE
Rent free.

>>106315682
>Ignoring the main point that the report button is sufficent legally and no charges have been filed and successfully convicted against kf, just some troons who abused their power under Biden
Every troon argues in bad faith. Anyone can spot you even without seeing your disgusting male figure in a dress.
>>106315700
>Are these the same person?
You are getting really desperate now

Null comments on a nude leak saying it's illegal extortion and revenge porn. He then lets it remain on his forum:
https://archive.is/ItP47#post-8875288

He had to be forced to censor it by an ISP.

>>106315757
>>Ignoring the main point that the report button is sufficent legally and no charges have been filed and successfully convicted against kf, just some troons who abused their power under Biden
There's plenty of cybercrime forums that are still online, and no charges have been filed against them.

>Every troon argues in bad faith. Anyone can spot you even without seeing your disgusting male figure in a dress.
It is deranged to assume that anyone who criticizes a gangstalking site is a transexual.

>>106315757
>no charges have been filed and successfully convicted
Even kiwifarms doesn't consider that a valid argument.

>>106315770
Where is your evidence that this was illegal?
>>106315848
>>106315933
If troons can ddos kf and force cf to stop providing to them because they exposed their grooming gangs, they could file a simple lawsuit as well. Or any of the 5,000 anti white, pro troons groups or AGs.
>It is deranged to assume that anyone who criticizes a gangstalking site is a transexual.
When you condone troons censoring kf for exposing troon grooming gangs, no. It's obvious you are a troon that wants to groom children and see kf as a threat.

>>106316025
>Where is your evidence that this was illegal?
He said it was.

>>106316025
What are you thoughts on null grooming children?

>>106303801
we need matthew prince's home address

>>106316025
>If troons can ddos kf and force cf to stop providing to them because they exposed their grooming gangs,
KF's actions related to threats caused cloudflare to drop them. It had nothing to do with grooming
How do you know its the transgenders DDOSing kf? Every website gets hit with random DDOS.

>they could file a simple lawsuit as well. Or any of the 5,000 anti white, pro troons groups or AGs.
I have no idea. Null himself also hasn't filed various lawsuits he said he would.

how viable is it to build your own WAF using some cheap VPS worker machines to act as a sort of mitm for a web application? I have an idea and the drive to build one...

i just dont want to use cuckflare :/

>>106303290
Why, what happened?
Other than her being French I mean.

>>106316183
cf dropped them after a coordinated campaign against them by grooming troons

>>106313259
>10 minutes downtime
I haven't hosted shit publicly for years but from my experience hosting through the 2000s and 2010s we're not even talking about minutes here. Any downtime beyond minutes has nothing to do with the DDoS but 100% something to do with the admin being so incompetent he should be taken behind the shed and get to tend them rabbits.

>>106307862
>>106307944
isn't there a way to track the DDoS and you know
Sue them?

First they came for the Daily Stormer
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a neo-Nazi
Then they came for 8ch
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a 8cher
Then they came for the Chris-Chan A-loggers
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Kiwifarmer
Then they came for the weebs
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a weebs
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

>>106317995
People who bully autistic men deserve to be kicked off the internet.

>>106303357
This was tried with Youtube over elsagate and they just made a deal with the government to fuck over users.

>>106314280
It still amazes me how they don't know how this shit works.
The reason why cloudflare et al are ALLOWED to do this is because the "official" policing bodies aka the government allows them to.
If they are forced to get involved they'll do the same thing just more explicitly. And then no one will do anything, because if you do anything than bitch on the internet you're a fed (and pretty soon they won't even be allowed to do that lol)

>>106318102
>If they are forced to get involved they'll do the same thing just more explicitly.
Prove it.
No, really, prove it. The 1st amendment is explicit on this.

>>106318102
ok so California, where Cloudflare is based, would explicitly start banning porn sites and censoring the internet when they don't do that right now becauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse (I heard it in a dream)

>And then no one will do anything, because if you do anything than bitch on the internet you're a fed (and pretty soon they won't even be allowed to do that lol)
>YOU WON'T DO ANYTHING
Says increasingly nervous bootlicker for thousandth time this year

>>106317950
Oh there were people over the years trying to get to the truth behind cloudlfare (especially the three letter agency connections and the founders comments on how profitable user data can be) funny thing is they all ended up dead. Probably best not to think about it just like the lead girl behind the panama papers getting car bombed :^)

>>106318154
Anyone remember the name of the project that the founders were working on before they started Cloudflare? It was called Project Honey Pot. Guess they took that name a little too seriously.

>>106303122 (OP)
hey speaking of,
If I want to block a site like 4chan, how the fuck am I supposed to do that anyway?
On macOS.

terminal -> sudo etc/hosts and update the list ok but that doesn't work

instead get IPs:
dig +short www.4chan.org
dig +short i.4cdn.org
dig +short s.4cdn.org

then open firewall:
sudo nano /etc/pf.conf

and:
block drop from any to { *IPs here* }
cntrl+o, cntr+x

then
sudo pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf


aaand it doesn't work a bit later, dawned on me that 4ch uses cloudflare (facepalm…)

What can a layman like me do to block 4chan forever and ever? Is it really possible?
An automated script that runs this on bootup? IDK
halp

cf uses the hostname in the header to route your request. So you need access to the http header

>>106315405
>Rape and murdering CEO
Very misconstrued from your own evidence. No court would conclude
>Rape and Murder roblox
as a threat to the CEO. Also, Kaufman is the CSO that is supposed to protect from the molestation that goes on there. There's also a FreeSchlep movement in Roblox because they banned Schlep, under false pretenses as a vigilante, after he worked with law enforcement to catch child preds. What you just posted points to a social movement, aside from the doxing attempts. Many are suggesting media related blitzes instead. KF may not as bad as I once assumed. Thanks for posting!

>>106303122 (OP)
How are these kikes (cloudflare) not getting hit with a thousand anti-monopoly lawsuits???

>>106315510
Death threats are illegal, as is all terroristic threatening, but what was reported isn't a death threat.

>>106308054
>stupidly expensive networking gear
what are we talking here for a solution that can stay online, say, for one hour

>>106303122 (OP)
Hey, everyone: stop using cloudflare to host your web sites! Hey 4chan this means you!

Sigh. Might was well tell everyone to stop being stupid, while I'm at it.

>>106320345
What do i use then?

Cloudflare is alright
They don't block stuff unless it's really vile like that other chan or kiwi in which case good riddance to both

>>106303122 (OP)
maybe just maybe because you host hentai and the animegirls look like some children.. just checked gelbooru and i even found children looking naked cartoon characters or having sex with.

Im surprised it works again, cloudflare should have ban it from their services because this type of content is NOT ok!

>>106303122 (OP)
Wait i thought cloudflare was a software that helps your websites uptime and protects against ddos attacks? Why is cloudflare able to censor specific sites?

>>106308907
>Guess who zeroed in and started pointing at porn as a central issue in the fertility debate?
Huge fucking idiots given it has been banned in south korea for a long while and their fertility rates still remain the absolute lowest in the world
>4chan partly did this
Go figure, this place is filled with idiots.

>>106322832
They can't censor you directly, but they can arbitrarily decide to stop protecting your site against ddos attacks, which means your website can then be taken offline very easily.

>>106303265
Anubis is good for intense scraping, probably from the same server. Not so much for *Distributed* denial of service, PoW processing is distributed so it's ineffective

>>106303161
>>106307733
KF can only run without cloudflare because Null runs the site as his day job and Crunklord420 is a total autist that can help develop protections for the site. Your average person doesn't have that circumstance.
I didn't want to use Cloudflare for my site but the other CDN I was using did not let me blackhole Indian IPs and cloudflare does.

>>106303151
They have blocked sites at a whim before, why shouldn't they use this power when governments demand it?

If you are a customer of Cloudflare you are retarded and enabling their DDoS racket.

>>106322832
They run free booters through their CF workers service. They kick you off their service and announce on bluski that it's open season on you.

The free CF workers are *technically* meant for other things but it's a great tool for their business development.
>So sad to hear that you got DDoSed from our ASN, the best way to fix this is to pay us to route all your traffic through our SSL-stripping MITM machine. Trust us you silly little go- i mean good friend!

>>106323199
nigger

>>106323341
Why would you need a CDN to do country blocks for you? You can't do that yourself?
>i i don't have the time to do basic webserver maintenance
Then you don't have the time to run a website and shouldn't.
We don't need a million retards who promote cloudflares bullshit by being too lazy.
And that is most of cloudflares business model anyway: People who are too lazy and are proud of it. Most cloudflare customers only want their clicky WAF interface WHICH ISN'T EVEN GOOD.

>>106323199
>They can't censor you directly
Yes, they can and do.
You set your DNS to them, so they can and will hijack your domain and display a message on your website telling everyone that you are evil.
It doesn't even matter if the message is correct, google "False phishing warning cloudflare" and look at hundreds of people in their community forum complaining about cloudflare locking their website down, because a competitor sent false reports to cloudflare.

So you are the one who actively has to tell the registrar to not use cloudflare anymore to get the scary cloudflare block away.

>>106303122 (OP)
>Sneedflare
Remind me why they use this thing ?
websites were doing fine before that crap

You need cloud solutions but i think fail2ban is enough

>>106325538
>you need cloud solutions
The only thing that the cloud is good for, is horizontal scaling.
But when you need that scaling, they will utterly rape you with fees that are more expensive than if you would have rented multiple dedicated servers.
The point is to scale fast and in a comfortable way. You can do it on a whim and undo it just as fast. And that convenience costs money.

People keep making the mistake of thinking that they are large corpos. "It is what corpos do, so it must be the best way of doing so".