Thread 106339895

>>106339895 (OP)
who gives a shit.

i click 4chan but all i get is x (formerly twitter)

>>106339895 (OP)
Oh it's true.

>>106339895 (OP)
Do NSA has CPU backdoors? Yes.
Does it make running Linux pointless? No.

If the situation was hopeless their propaganda wouldn't be necessary.

>>106339895 (OP)
yes, but it's used to unlock computers of whistleblowers, spies and terrorists, not some smelly vir/g/in's loli collection.

If the three letter agencies have backdoors to all cpus and computers then why do they need all these tools and devices instead of just pressing the big red button that says "find bad guy"???

>>106339895 (OP)
3.8ghz Pentium 4 gigachad represent. Posready 2009 forever.

if u aint a pedo or a terrorist y tf would u gaf?

>>106339906
Anyone that's not a moron? Why would you want NSA employees to have access to all you private files, emails, browsing history?
>I have nothing to hide
Then make all your private stuff public on all your social media for all your friends and strangers to see.

>>106339895 (OP)
What is that backdoor exactly?

>>106339895 (OP)
Intel and amd both have backdoor via their management engines

>>106339915
>Do NSA has CPU backdoors? Yes.
>Does it make running Linux pointless? No.
Explain why.

>>106339931
amd psp and intel me o algo

>>106339895 (OP)
Off yourself Ryan. None of the shit is organic.

>>106339931
sneed

>>106339918
Did you not watch the Snowden movie? Any high level employee has access to their spying program and they have no qualms about spying on normal citizens on their free time. Snowden said it was a common occurrence within NSA.

>>106339895 (OP)
nope

>>106339936
This is gibberish
>>106339945
This is based

>>106339926
Indeed. We want full name, address, ssn and every image on your phone.

>>106339955
sorry saar
AMD Platform Security Processor
and
Intel Management Engine

>>106339947
Yeah, but the NSA is so good because they secretly install surveillance apps. What the NSA does is send out a maintinence guy to install an encryptor in your closest customer edge, state of the art decryptors then glean your password from your packets and then they fuck your IoT.

That I believe, but this tzeenchian "backdoor" is fantasy - and posited by people who have no background in tech. If there is no code for it, it doesn't exist.

>>106339974
Thank you saar!

>>106339974
IME can just be turned off though

>>106340003
in earlier devices, not all saar

>>106339935
Backdoors? Well known, MINIX cuck loicense fiasco, for starters.
Pointlessness? You're just retarded if you think that the criminals being able to crack open a lock means you shouldn't even have doors on your house.

>>106340021
But how does Linux protects you from being spied on?

>>106339913
4chan is at least 40% bots and a large percentage of paid postings as well. Barely anything on the internet is actually organic.

>>106340031
If the NSA wants to spy on you Linux won't save you. But if your company wants you to use their spyware discord for internal communications or whatever with no Linux client, you'd use the web version on a dedicated browser profile. It limits who can spy on you and how easily.

>>106339926
>>106339965
the nsa needs that info to track down niggers like you and put you in el salvador for the rest of your life though.

random people on the internet don't need that info.

>>106339895 (OP)
called ime for intel cpus and psp on amd cpus

>>106339895 (OP)
Hopefully no.

>>106339974
PSP wasn't introduced until Ryzen

>>106340321
saar I didn't create the post, I am explaining to you saar what from my perspective the saar who created the post meant, saar.

>>106339895 (OP)
Kirin and Loongson chips will btfo these goyim haters.

>>106340299
The whole point is, if you honestly believe privacy is for criminals only, then walk the walk and make everything public.

Of course they won't.

>>106340374
having the government have my ssn and private info (which they already do, and always have) is a lot different than every pajeet in india anon. how retarded are you.

>>106339923
We are 6 years away from white straight men being considered terrorists

>>106339895 (OP)
yep

>>106340394
>which they already do, and always have.
Cucked if that includes anything but legal info.

Also if the NSA can access your shit, what makes you think somebody else won't be able to utilize the same backdoor and gain access to it at some point? Absolutely retarded way of living.

>>106339919
Because it's illegal, if they presented how they got the evidence in court, they'd have to reveal their methods

>>106339935
I care more about jamal stealing my hard drive or google/meta snooping around than to prevent the glowies from accessing it.
if my data is worth around $300 a year for google then I want my share or they can fuck off, I'm not sharing anything with them

>>106339919
Multipronged approach. You don't reveal the bigger vulnerabilities. Essentially, can even exploit the larger vulnerabilities then use the lower vulnerabilities and tactics to prove, so appearances protect your most effective tactics.

>>106339895 (OP)
it is false
I've built CPU firmware from blob-free source for Rockchip CPUs
Rock64 specifically is not just fully free, but also immune to Spectre/Meltdown attacks because A53 cores don't do speculative execution
And it runs well enough with something lightweight like LxQT, I can even launch and run something like Eclipse on it

>>106339895 (OP)
yes and troonix users will never respond to this without seething and coping

Yet hes using x and you guys are using 4chan

>>106340621
I already told you it's false. I even ran a Samsung Chromebook Plus (v1) with the A76 cores disabled. With a chromebook, you can even compile your own blob free EC, you can go LOWER than the firmware if you so desire. But you're a seething wintoddler who can't flash a bios who will never respond to this.

>>106340043
yeah the OLED shilling over in /pcbg/ is getting pretty obnoxious

>>106339915
>if the situation was hopeless their propaganda wouldn't be necessary.
All they got is propaganda they put all their cards in it.

>>106340649
>just use an absolute shitbox that can't do anything useful
Really helpful xister. Year of the troonix desktop soon.

>>106340445
Don't concede to his point, he's shilling for the NSA of all glowies. Ultimately Their spying is pretty valid grounds if any to abolish the agency desu.
No agency needs anything but the bare minimum of info and Rousseau being a retard who believed in magic collective wills has no bearing on a functioning society

why I can see a condition met in any context `without`...

>>106340003
it can be asked to turn off parts of itself
it probably does but who knows if it does

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ
they all have secret instructions.

your family and neighboors are backdoors too btw

>>106339895 (OP)
no, your shit has to be already pwnd so CPU backdoors make any sense

Okay let's entertain this idea.
So the claim is that any PC network connected since 2007 feds just have their OpenManage clone and can remote it and do anything to the host while what we access OS/BIOS is just like inside of a VM.
So if I take a brand new in box Dell from 2007 and plug it online they can view the remote desktop of tails, rsync the hard drive, execute arbitrary code, directly manipulate memory, anything.

So if this was the case why the fuck do they need to add spyware in Windows 10? Why add always on AI screenrecording in 11? Why do they hate full disk encryption? Why push everything server side if they can remote PCs? Why push all the phone shit? AND you're telling me this is the single system on earth that they're so careful with its existence still can't be proved 20 years later but it's totally there despite 0 proof it was ever used? It just doesn't add up.
Listen if you wanna be a schizo and you're fine using a 25yo thinkpad with FOSS BIOS that's cool (tho hypocritical to still go online if you genuinely believe this but anyway) but don't fucking tell Twitter normies that they shouldn't use Linux or not submit ID online because it's all hopeless, even if the Intel ME conspiracy was to be true (which is nearly impossible) doing everything else to increase your privacy is still beneficial and a must. Stop misleading people.

You can fix this with a chink router with openWRT, they won't be able to remote into it. I doubt they would be able to anyway considering how the network is isolated. They can't exactly ping your intel ME through a NAT.

>>106342779
It reminds me of the "OMG every Supermicro server motherboard has a secret CCP spy chip installed that's been sending all your data to China!!" story a few years back that also turned out to be unfounded bullshit because there's literally no way it could have worked.

>everything has a backdoor but no one can prove it
fuck off

I use a completely free and open source bios and operating system on my laptop and a completely free and open bootloader and firmware for my router. No concessions need to be made

>>106342967
>inb4 closed source drivers

>>106339895 (OP)
>kills the cpu glownigger

>>106339915
only intel and amd

Bshsh no fuck you

>>106342779
>or not submit ID online
This is legit advice.

>>106339895 (OP)
IBM POWER9, no ME
https://youtu.be/5syd5HmDdGU

POWER10 exists but nobody made it into a desktop form factor yet.

>>106343431
Now tell us how much your meme ISA workstation costs.

>>106340649
the issue is with the ME on the cpu, changing to coreboot is not going to stop that. There are exploits to overwrite the ME on some CPUs but that is like a handful of specific processors.

>>106343444
it's $10k. well within the expected limits for workstations. Don't need to move the goalposts.

Bonus story, look up what stallman uses. He used to use a mips based CPU for years because of the lack of options.

>>106339895 (OP)
some people know how to extract a microcode and read it
if its so common someone will probably document at least one backdoor with all the specifications about it.
they don't do this because it's very easy to identify a function that opens a socket to a server and transfers hundreds of bytes for media/screenshot or whatever casual spyware is doing.
the whole concept is a fearmongering retardation

>>106343820
what is socket is hidden fro you

define backdoor

if you're talking about the nsa having 0 days in a cpu, then probably. Does it really matter? not at all.

I'm not supposed to talk about this too much, but the 0 days aren't meant for individuals who sell drugs, trade cp, or even do whistleblower shit. this is meant for nation states or large organizations that use market grade cpus and gpus for shit like petrol plants, manufacturing facilities, research labs, etc.

We send out some guys, find out what chip they're using, and then we make some shit using the CPU backdoors to fuck up some shit. then we send out the guys and make then install it using an USB, CD, Floppy disk, whatever they can to put it on the target device. We even used radio waves before transmit data through the sata cables.

tl:dr yes, but it's way to just arrest you at a traffic stop.

>>106340043
I used to think you schizos were paranoid for no reason, the more I visit normal Internet the more I see inorganic shit.

4Chan is 1000x more organic

>>106339895 (OP)
it seems hopeless that's why you see MFs in denial and talking themselves our of distopian predicament.

It's true and it's a fact and there's nothing you can do. It's the nature of things.

>>106343861
its impossible to hide.
the only thing they can do is to show it as another generic connection to 443 or some shit
in windows it open dozens of those on startup

I recently got a iBook G4 and a Dell Inspiron 6000. Pretty sure the iBook can be librebooted and the Dell has a Pentium M

>>106339895 (OP)
any *western CPU

>implying Linux doesn't have backdoors
LMAO

>>106339915
thats just to give you the false impression there is anything you can do

>>106342779
>So if this was the case why the fuck do they need to add spyware in Windows 10?
So they can sell your info to companies that don't have access to buying glowing information. You think not every company would monitor your info to sell if they could?

>>106339906
>who gives a shit.

>>106344613
>everything has
>I win argument

>>106339895 (OP)
ME is a boogeyman for /pol/ schizoids. There wasnt a single case in history when someone would get busted by something like this. The only case in which someone actually tried doing something like this was when Conti tried fuzzing it, according to their internal chat logs. The truth is that law enforcement guys avoid burning any advanced hacking tools or 0days unless its absolute necessity, thats why people like buster hernandez got away with their wrongdoing for so long just by using tails. ME is a potential concern if you are the next snowden since it might serve as a potential vector of local privilege escalation, but thats pretty much it.

>>106344861
>ME is a boogeyman for /pol/ schizoids
>ME is a potential concern if you are the next snowden since it might serve as a potential vector of local privilege escalation, but thats pretty much it.

Already contradicting yourself. You don't have to be a snowden to be hit by something like this and in fact you probably have more chance of being hit by it if they know you wont figure it out. Why would a nobody like me or you get targeted? All you need is 1 degree of separation from their target.
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/02/target-hackers-broke-in-via-hvac-company/
>Sources close to the investigation said the attackers first broke into the retailer’s network on Nov. 15, 2013 using network credentials stolen from Fazio Mechanical Services, a Sharpsburg, Penn.-based provider of refrigeration and HVAC systems.

China regularly targets employees of companies as their vector to pivot from and the concept of infiltrating via someone's boyfriends-sisters-daughters-hairdresser is not new. Futhermore China and other state actors regularly try to disrupt infrastructure which is controlled and run by normies in privates businesses so they absolutely act on opportunistic attacks.

>>106340399
two more weeks

>>106339895 (OP)
Nice! Thanks for letting me see this xeet!>>106339945
Woah there! Lol!
This app is awesome!!!

>>106339895 (OP)
>condoms are only 98% reliable so you might as well go raw

>>106339895 (OP)
if the nsa wants you, they will have you
(un)fortunately you are not a high level iranian or chink government employee so they don't give a shit

>>106340649
at that point just go live in a jungle

>>106339895 (OP)
mossad, not the nsa
therefore false

>configures firewall on my router to prevent remote connections
pshhh... nothing personnel NSA...

>>106345065
>You don't have to be a snowden to be hit by something like this
You do, because hitting every other criminal, let alone regular person, would be simply way too expensive. Your government's budget is not really infinite.
>if they know you wont figure it out.
for the vast majority of people it can be done way cheaper with social engineering, hardware implants or physical extortion. Again, 0days are the last resort.
>*using a hack of an organisation to justify schizoing about ME*
grass, now!

Do they need physical access to the PC to use the CPU backdoor? In that case Linux would help a lot as most data is gathered through the internet.

it must be really cheap to pay someone to shill here. people will post the lamest tweets that barely have engagement. nobody will ever see this and think "dude i gotta follow cold take twitter guy"

>>106339895 (OP)
Intel has backdoors since the start, they just moved management engine off the motherboard to the CPU.

>>106345389
You have no valuable data to steal like all the nocoders on these board. The Government doesn't care about you.

We had a massive nsa leak from edward snowden.
Did he mention anything like this?

>>106339919
the big red button is for cases that never reach the light of day, anon. not the cases where some hackerman is caught for causing some corp to lose money and sent to prison for 30 years as an example, but the cases where people dissappear

Exploits exist but require physical access. The CPU does not have a direct link to the Internet.

Can't you just plug a raspi between your PC and router and scan all the outgoing traffic?

>>106342779
thing what i don't understand is,
how r&d divisions deal with this security risk.

if nsa&co indeed has a backdoor to all modern usa designed cpu's, you'd be a fool to design anything new on american computers. or are all those computers airgapped and in a lead walled room.

>>106345274
>because hitting every other criminal
criminal? It's not even a factor. You just need a connection to something valuable.
>0days are the last resort
It's only a 0day when it's made public. We know that UAE are using these all the time because of leakers and they use them hundreds of times before getting caught.

>>106339895 (OP)
18 years and no one ever showed an actual exploit based on this, not even a proof of concept.

>>106339895 (OP)
This is why I keep my core 2 duo laptop around.

>>106339895 (OP)
They have backdoors on CPUs from the 90s.

>>106339915
It's not necessary because Microsoft managed to inject DEI and CoCs into Linux. Now Linus is on board the woke train as well and every distro and open sores project is infested with trannies.

The well is already poisoned, now it's just a waiting game.

>>106339945
Wait, why does that penguin have a CAMERA IN ITS MOUTH?!

Something is better than nothing
Sure by connecting to the internet with any machine these days you're "fucked", but think about what you're doing and how much is it worth to waste time on your ass

Simply encrypt your shit dawg

>>106339923
Take down all the curtains in your house, better yet replace all the walls in your house with glass so your neighbors can see everything. You've got nothing to hide right? So there's nothing to worry about. If you give them an inch they'll take a mile.

Anyone remember the scandal that happened when Intel introduced serial numbers on the Pentium 3?
They got rid of it very fast after a lot of complaints, but eventually re-introduced it and nobody gave a shit anymore.

>>106346830
everyone knows that parallel numbers are more secure and private

>>106345588
It was above his pay check.

>>106346830
What’s the issue with serial numbers?

@grok is this true?

the backdoors are super risky for 3-letters to use for reasons like what if people have offline network wire monitoring equipment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/makszo/two_undocumented_intel_x86_instructions/

But of course there are backdoors people have been finding "oddities" for a while now like the always online intel management engine, which is an embedded cpu that not even your cpu can see that had vulnerabilities in it.

>>106346954
Software can ask the CPU for a truly unique identifier that can then be used to identify your computer with 100% accuracy.
Imagine for example if websites wouldn't need to do any sort of browser-based tracking, instead they could just query your CPU for a completely accurate ID that tells them exactly what computer is being used to view this content. No amount of changing IPs, or sandboxing, or hiding behind seven proxies would help prevent your computer from being identified.
And it's not just web browsers, this same serial number can also be embedded into files for much of the same purposes as the hidden dots your printer does.

>>106347666
>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/makszo/two_undocumented_intel_x86_instructions/
>It's scary...
>...how many people have no idea idea this is not a security issue and are willing to spark further consiracy theories and hate towards intel.
Total redditor death

>>106339895 (OP)
>a twitter screencap of a twitch meme about glowie propaganda on my basket weaving phpBB forum

>>106339895 (OP)
Healthy food instead of dog shit is still helpful even if you have to eat dog shit once a year. You don't have to only eat shit. Privacy and security is not some large black and white thing. It is tiny steps and every tiny step counts.

>>106339895 (OP)
Nobody has ever been able to provide any evidence whatsoever that ME is malicious and not just proprietary vulnerable (and yes, potentially exploitable) junk

>>106339895 (OP)
If those back doors exist how is that a hacker hasnt find them yet and bring down everything? I dont think it would be that difficult.

Snowden leaked NSA capabilities in his leak, and the shadowbrokers leaked the NSA backdoor crown jewels back in 2016. Anything between 2016 and now is unknown of course but the NSA did not have any CPU backdoors between 2007 and 2016 which leads me to believe they do not have any now.
They likely have more windows zerodays now but heyho that's life.

>>106345614
[INCORRECT BUZZER SOUND]
Shit like eternal blue was their 'people disappear' backdoor.

>>106348059
You forgot the part where the process in memory can be hijacked to send fake numbers

>>106339895 (OP)
Yes it's real. I've had 2 cases in the past few years (the second one was just last month) where my computer just randomly turned on for no reason at all in the middle of the night, probably because the CIA wanted to spy on me more than usually

>>106348846
Roflmao

>>106340031
I imagine it's the difference between a simple search through Microsoft's telemetry and having to establish access on a U.S. citizen's PC. And btw, they don't have the authority to do the latter unless you're a foreign national. The controversy behind the Snowden thing was that they were authorized to collect and sift through American's data with the goal of collecting intelligence on foreign entities. But they weren't allowed to exploit private citizens' information in any way. But let's entertain the paranoid say they're secretly performing operations on Americans. Ok you use Windows because it's all pointless right? The NSA does not give one single fuck if you smoke crack and dildo your asshole to loli porn. They don't even care if you say nigger and worship Hitler. They're looking for people that are an actual national security threat. Foreign spies, terrorists, etc. The lame ass shit you do is probably only interesting to the local cops and the NSA plays in a bigger game. But here's the deal, Microjeet has that information. Would they give it to the local police? The FBI? maybe. They have no problem training their AI on your data or selling it to ad companies. That might not be a big deal to you so whatever.

>>106348756
What makes you so sure he knew everything? You've heard of information compartmentalization right? Having CPU/encryption backdoors is on a different level than the shit he leaked imo. If they do, it might even be a reserved capability. Something they only use in a break glass kind of situation like leading up to an open conflict against Russia/China.

>>106339935
In order to use the CPU backdoor they need physical access to your CPU, while in Windows they can basically use IME in order to fuck you in the ass. So using Linux is only pointless if they get their filthy hands in your computer, otherwise you will be safer than using Windows and other proprietary crap like Ubuntu.
https://www.techradar.com/pro/china-cyber-pros-say-intel-is-installing-cpu-backdoors-on-behalf-of-nsa
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/a-brief-history-of-the-nsa-attempting-to-insert-backdoors-into-encrypted-data

>>106339926
NSA are not strangers, they are authorities who need to maintain order... They have to do it somehow... Or would you rather all the extremists actually executed their plans and murdered you?
If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't worry

juse use wifi

>>106339895 (OP)
If all the stuff privacy people are saying is true and it's as bad as they're making it out to be why hasn't every drug dealer/mobster/pedo/terrorist who's breathed near a computer since 2007 been locked up? Seems trivially easy to catch bad guys if they have these god-like capabilities you people claim and yet there are still plenty of bad guys.

>>106339915
>>If the situation was hopeless their propaganda wouldn't be necessary.
what if it's not necessary, it's just there to humiliate and double down on the whole matter

>>106339895 (OP)
@grok what is Linux, also what is a CPU

>>106339906
You do since you posted in this thread.

>>106349407
The NSA doesn't give the FBI their capabilities. Why would they burn all their high value shit going after common criminals? The mistake people make is thinking the government cares what they're doing on their hobby distro. It's a form of covert narcissism.

>>106339895 (OP)
highly likely

its not a matter of if there are such things within your setup, what what kind and who has control of them at this point

>>106343895
lol 0/10

i don't even know who is trolling who anymore

the bot percentage is upward of 80%

>>106339895 (OP)
How does the cpu spy on you though? it's just a piece of hardware not a software collecting data?

>>106339895 (OP)
Except I use a customizable minimalist arch setup without any of the background process fluff going on that would be used for that purpose. Just don't be retarded by choosing a fat installation. Checkmate, glownigs.

>>106339895 (OP)
last unfucked cpu without a backdoor was the fx lineup

>>106349407
Because that was not the goal, that was the excuse for hijacking the tech, much like WMD's were to the war business (not saying that piece of shit socialist murderer Saddam didn't deserve the rope though).

In the world we live in, being normal is considered a crime, and massification of surveillance and espionage helps with the goal of quenching resistance.

Also when they target somebody, they will never tell you exactly how they did it if they ever confess to doing it at all, so much of what goes on remains a mystery.

No excuse for backdooring anything, and no legitinate reason for anybody to take that when older computers still do the job, unless you're some retarded, infantilized loser obssessed with slop video games or fell for the ai meme.

>>106339919
>If wars exist why don't every president just press the big red button of nuclear weapons and end the war instead of wasting manpower and energy of soldiers?

you sound like a literal child

>>106339895 (OP)
Everyone online is fat and unimportant.

>>106339915
does spider has pusspuss?

>>106339895 (OP)
>you see this thought killing convenient excuse?
>heh, ya, that's why I don't use TROONix
anyone who uses IME as some "gotcha" like this is a fucking retard.

>>106348736
Why would I want non free (the correct word) software at all? Period?

>>106339919
Checkmate atheists

>>106349321
>government can be trusted
Cite one such example

>>106350375
Source: my mirror

>>106350450
Why do Americans give Israel billions in aid to fight off hamas when they could just glass everything east of England and west of Alaska with nukes for 72 hours straight and go back to streaming big bang theory and eating hamburger helper?

>>106339895 (OP)
(ソフトバンクグループ株式会社 bros, are we okay? Will junited stays no hade to do intel biddin for izreel love?

>>106350637
haha, good one chang

What about RISC-V is it safe?

>>106342967
>he doesn't know about CPU microcode
>he doesn't know about EC and SSD firmware
>He forgot about Wifi and GPU blobs

>>106345883
>You just need a connection to something valuable.
You would have to be one of the few tens/ few hundreds (at worst) of people living in your country to make such attack affordable for your government. Regardless, you are still detached and need to touch some grass.
>>106345952
TSMT, people crying about ME are just mumbling schizos.

>>106349129
SHILLS BTFO

>>106339895 (OP)
> Fly to China
> Bring Laptop
> While in China, buy Chinese Laptop with Chinese CPU designed for CCP to backdor into and block NSA access
> Disassemble laptop
> Replace CPU
> Re-assemble laptop
> Sneak CPU through customs completely unawares
> Now have a PC NSA can not access
Problem?

>>106342779
>So if this was the case why the fuck do they need to add spyware in Windows 10? Why add always on AI screenrecording in 11?
I don't believe in OPs claim at all.
But it being true would not prevent Microsoft from shoveling all the shit they do into Windows.
They may be closely intertwined, but MS the company has it's own separate goals related to monetization.
The government generally doesn't monetize clandestine shit, outside of rare cases like the CIA and cocaine or whatever the fuck that was.