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Anonymous No.106343993 >>106344043 >>106344074 >>106344177 >>106345235 >>106345267 >>106345269 >>106345537 >>106345715 >>106345736 >>106345768 >>106345780 >>106345886 >>106346331 >>106346694 >>106346712 >>106347583 >>106347620 >>106347626 >>106347874 >>106348041 >>106348260 >>106349351 >>106350814 >>106351093 >>106351483 >>106351666 >>106352195
PS3 was way ahead of its time. Were devs really filtered by the hardware?
Anonymous No.106344043
>>106343993 (OP)

ps3 is/was nice many bought in 2010s as reduced to 119€ you just see it
Anonymous No.106344058 >>106344115 >>106345787
Notice how games are missing from that list
Anonymous No.106344074 >>106344085 >>106344125 >>106344147 >>106344157 >>106345194 >>106345217 >>106345774 >>106345792 >>106345948 >>106347620 >>106347829 >>106352273
>>106343993 (OP)
I might be mistaken but PS3, I believe, was the start of internet connected consoles, which led to the shitshow we have today. Before internet, games (and any software really) was sold finished, not some beta you have to pay subscription to get "updates" that just add basic functionality that should have been available on launch day.
Anonymous No.106344085 >>106344153 >>106344157 >>106345784 >>106349462
>>106344074
>I might be mistaken but PS3, I believe, was the start of internet connected consoles, which led to the shitshow we have today. Before internet, games (and any software really) was sold finished, not some beta you have to pay subscription to get "updates" that just add basic functionality that should have been available on launch day.

That began with Xbox 360
Anonymous No.106344092 >>106344134 >>106347620
Most people don't use most of the features like the optical out or Linux OS (removed via firmware update).. There was telemetry data on Xbox Ones where 99% of owners never used the HDMI pass through port or Kinect.
Anonymous No.106344099
The only noteworthy parts in those list are the BD drive and HDMI.
Anonymous No.106344115 >>106345781 >>106345784 >>106347349
>>106344058
No shit, nigger; It's a console, that's a given. If you're referring to it having a lacking game library, you're a disingenuous, lying faggot. It being backward-compatible increased its library.

Moreover, the fact you didn't have to pay for online like 360fags did, made it far more attractive.

Bill Gates is the Antichrist.
Anonymous No.106344125 >>106344153
>>106344074
PS3 had free online play. It was the garbage American console from Microsoft the x360 that fucked it all up for everyone else. The reason these cancer know as Microsoft went after console is because when they tried to monetize PC with GFWL PC gamers told Microsoft to go fuck itself so enter the cancerous Xbox gamer, the most retarded consumer that ever was this include both Mexicans and Americans and they fucked gaming.
Anonymous No.106344134 >>106345204
>>106344092
Even backwards compatibity is a niche feature, only really having any mainstream value in the first year or so.
Ultimately consoles are about games and price/performance and in the early days the PS3 didn't have either.
Anonymous No.106344147 >>106344153 >>106344879
>>106344074
There were plenty of games that were released unfinished before that. The main difference for consoles was that before you'd be stuck with the unfinished one unless they replaced the ROM cassette/disc.
Anonymous No.106344153 >>106344169 >>106349462
>>106344085
>>106344125
Thanks. It was about the same year?

>>106344147
>plenty
Not nearly close to the current's 100% rate of released crap is broken beta shit.
Anonymous No.106344157 >>106344179 >>106349462
>>106344074
>>106344085
You niggers never played SOCOM II on PS2.
Anonymous No.106344169 >>106344179
>>106344153
360 came out a year earlier.
Anonymous No.106344177
>>106343993 (OP)
How's that a hot take? Sony lost money on the PS3s for a while a PC with a full on 7800GTX card and a BD-ROM was expensive in 2006.
Anonymous No.106344179 >>106344197
>>106344169
Close enough for me. That's probably why I mistook it.

>>106344157
No, I did not. But a few games with multiplayer vs big downloadable library had different impacts.
Anonymous No.106344197 >>106344247
>>106344179
>vs big downloadable library had different impacts.
Nintendo had a big downloadable library for the FDS and the Nintendo Power cartridges for SFC and GB.
Anonymous No.106344219
There is literally no reason for consoles to exist.
Anonymous No.106344247 >>106344267 >>106345229 >>106345238 >>106347335
>>106344197
It wasn't as big. Nobody downloaded games on GB era. The thing went downhill at circa PS3 era, which anons are telling me was actually the X360 era. Fucking zoomers talking about a time before they were alive with their akshuallies.
Anonymous No.106344267 >>106344363
>>106344247
They did in Japan.
Anonymous No.106344363 >>106344833 >>106352088
>>106344267
No one cares.
Anonymous No.106344833
>>106344363
I do.
Anonymous No.106344874 >>106344878
A GRAPHICS SYNTHESIZER?!?!?!? HOLY FUCK

lmao retard
Anonymous No.106344878
>>106344874
It was the name of the PS2 GPU.
Anonymous No.106344879
>>106344147
Most of the retards you're responding to are younger than the PS3 and xbox360
Anonymous No.106345153
the ppc arch in both the 360 and ps3 was hot garbage even for the time
Anonymous No.106345194
>>106344074
Most people who initially bought the PS3 did not connect it to the internet, it was optional and if you connected, it was free.

Talking about the original fat PS3, which OP is also talking about.
The slim doesn't have backwards compatibility and has no SD card slots. The Slim also went for half the price, i paid 300 for mine back in the day, which was shortly after its release.
Anonymous No.106345204 >>106345240
>>106344134
>in the early days the PS3 didn't have either
It was the cheapest BluRay player on the market.
And since people just got their FullHD flat screens, if they wanted to actually see FullHD content, the PS3 was the choice.
Anonymous No.106345217
>>106344074
>Before internet, games (and any software really) was sold finished
Zoomer detected. Popularity of broadband only improved patch distribution. Video game patches were a thing as early as NES era. Nintendo was using Japan as testing ground to later release international version with bugfixes. Also, many "the best of" releases contained bugfixes on the disc. For example Soul Calibur III for ps2 was infamous for a bug that wiped saves from other games from your memory card. That's why every copy of the game sold online nowadays is with "Platinum" label, because that version had a bugfix.
Anonymous No.106345229
>>106344247
The 360 was the first console requiring a paid subscription for basic internet features.

Internet features aren't bad in itself.
Or would you claim that all multiplayer games are bad?
It's the retarded subscription services, the inability to run own servers and the (much later arriving) need for first day patches that made it all go to shit.
Anonymous No.106345235
>>106343993 (OP)
>Were devs really filtered by the hardware?
Yes, and you can see it right now.
Real devs are being filtered with vibe coding
Anonymous No.106345238 >>106347510 >>106350879
>>106344247
>Nobody downloaded games on GB era.
I was downloading games for my commodore over radio in 80s.
Anonymous No.106345240 >>106345289
>>106345204

i am pretty sure that i have not yet bought fullhd television
Anonymous No.106345267
>>106343993 (OP)
>toshlink
Anonymous No.106345269
>>106343993 (OP)
No.
Xbox 360 had both better and more sensible hardware. What was truly ahead of its time is the X360 GPU and PS3 spent the entire generation using CELL as a crutch for the shitty GPU nvidia sold them. PS3 couldn't afford to use the SPUs for logic unless you wanted the games to look like an upscaled PS2 game.
Sony really learned their lesson because PS4 released with a much better GPU than the X1.
Anonymous No.106345280
Anonymous No.106345289 >>106345839
>>106345240
When the PS3 was announced 1080p wasn't officially a thing. HD was 720p and 1080i.
Many people had "HD-ready" TVs with 1366x768.
Anonymous No.106345347 >>106345495 >>106345978
i just bought a ps3 and the analog out signal looks really awful, high contrast edges have an inverted color ghost a couple pixels to the right of them
it doesn't look bad with the same cables on ps2 so i wonder if i'll have to clean up the port on the ps3 or people, which wouldn't be surprising with sony people living in squalor and not taking good care of their devices
Anonymous No.106345495 >>106345531
>>106345347
Why exactly do you want the analog output?
Anonymous No.106345531
>>106345495
because i don't have an hdcp stripper
Anonymous No.106345537 >>106345568 >>106345715
>>106343993 (OP)
I know they really wanted to top the PS2, but why the fuck would they think that selling a $600 console at a loss would've been a good idea? How were they going to compete with Microsoft's head start with a console that price? And there's no use having a fancy powerful CPU arctitechture if developers didn't know how tf to use it.
Anonymous No.106345568
>>106345537
They wanted to push BD in the format war against HD-DVD.
Microsoft opted against HD-DVD and instead sold it as a pointless addon for $200.
Microsoft also dropped the HDD from the Xbox while the PS3 included one.
Anonymous No.106345715
>>106343993 (OP)
>>106345537
They thought they will have the same market share they had for PS1 and PS2 eras. If they had 80% market share, devs would've bothered to optimize for the architecture.
But 360 was way more successful early on than the og Xbox, had a year headstart on PS3, and had an architecture that allowed for easy PC ports, which was pretty much a completely separate, isolated market in the PS1/PS2 era so again Sony wasn't considering the implications that meant for multplatform devs.
All this together meant devs had no financial reason to dick around with cell, which meant 360 was generally superior for multiplatform games, which meant Sony had a smaller market share, spiraling the issue.
If you look at devs who were forced to master the architecture aka. dev teams owned by Sony who had to make exclusives, then they were either indeed filtered (Haze, Lair, etc) or made games, usually after lengthy delays that were indeed technically superior (GT5, MGS4, Uncharted).
I think it just wasn't a main selling point in itself because 360-tier graphics in general were just already good enough already for people, which of course makes today's incremental pixel peeping bullshit so ridiculous.
Anonymous No.106345736
>>106343993 (OP)
The biggest mistake of the PS3 was only including 256MB of system ram. Sure 256MB video ram was pretty normal then. However if devs had access to the original planned 512MB, they could have done so much more. Didn't help the cell was a bitch to work with. Either way it was a cool console. I had an original fatty my ex stole from me when we separated, cunt. I got a pancake later and still use have my BD remote. Best blue ray player one could own. My PS2 I still use for DVDs though since they look better on that.
Anonymous No.106345768 >>106345794 >>106347675 >>106350593
>>106343993 (OP)
>PS3 was way ahead of its time.
It really wasn't.
>Fully backwards compatible with gramolophycal symothenizer
The model with the hardware BC had a literal PS2 inside.
>USB slots
Used for charging the controllers and not much else.
>SD and micro SD card slots
Never used for anything cool
>Nvidia RSX GPU
Which was like two gens behind at that point.
>TOSHLINK optical output
Bloat.
>HDMI
Wow, it had video out?
This piece of overengineered shit almost killed the brand.
Anonymous No.106345774
>>106344074
>but PS3, I believe, was the start of internet connected consoles,
Fuck no, even the freaking atari 2600 had some online service available, which eventually became AOL.
Anonymous No.106345780
>>106343993 (OP)
Yes. I still have my base PS3.
Anonymous No.106345781
>>106344115
>>Moreover, the fact you didn't have to pay for online like 360fags did, made it far more attractive.
Sure thing, that's why PSN on PS3 was such a success and nobody was subscribed to xbox live.
Anonymous No.106345784 >>106349462
>>106344085
>The xbox was THE internet console because internet BAD
>>106344115
>the PS3 was THE internet console because internet GOOD
pick a side of the fucking fence.
Anonymous No.106345787 >>106345801 >>106347947 >>106349528
>>106344058
Fully backwards compatible implies games, ESL retard.
Anonymous No.106345792
>>106344074
Blame the 360 for that one. First to do paid online. Horse armor dlc started there too.
Anonymous No.106345794
>>106345768
>Used for charging the controllers and not much else.
Couldn't you use USB Memory in place of a memory card?

Toslink wasn't bloat. Many AV receivers of the time didn't have HDMI so you needed a dedicated SPDIF output for surround sound.
Anonymous No.106345801 >>106345821
>>106345787
Only the 60GB model had "full" backwards compatibility, the emulation on the other models was embarrassingly bad. Even the 60GB model didn't support 100% of PS2 games.

All of your angry shitstain posts read like you learned about the PS3 from some moron's youtube video and never touched one in your life.
Anonymous No.106345821
>>106345801
You're in a thread explicitly talking about the OG 60gb PS3. The image says backwards compatible which implies games. Just take the L, dumb bitch. We get it, you wanted to say the meme.
Anonymous No.106345837
it didn't matter because back then consoles were about games not hardware and $600 was far too expensive for a console with no games
Anonymous No.106345839 >>106346018
>>106345289
Meanwhile you could get 720p on the OG xbox
Anonymous No.106345852 >>106345862 >>106347725
>When using the core inflation measurement, $600 in 2006 is equivalent in buying power to $951.86 in 2025

Are these the same people that complained the way more powerful PS5 Pro is too expensive
Anonymous No.106345862
>>106345852
yeah, i mean in the 80s home computers were $4000
the cost of manufacturing electronics over time goes down, a lot, like a lot a lot, far far outpacing inflation's cost rises
Anonymous No.106345886
>>106343993 (OP)
>NVIDIA RSX GPU
Weird way to say a gimped 6800 GTX...
Anonymous No.106345948
>>106344074
Even if you didn't have the internet, you could still download updates to games from the Playstation website and install it from a usb or card reader. Online connectivity would've just made it easier. It wasn't an internet problem, it was a natural problem of higher demands of development as games got more technical.
Anonymous No.106345978
>>106345347
Not all games support low resolution. List of supported resolutions is on the back of the cover. Analog is 480p, so if 480p is not on the list, analog is not supported for that game. (the game will start but it will be blurry mess)
Anonymous No.106346018 >>106346238
>>106345839
1080i as well.
https://consolemods.org/wiki/Xbox:Games_with_Alternate_Display_Modes
Anonymous No.106346238 >>106346261
>>106346018
I meant 720p on all games. But yeah 1080i on some were state of the art
Anonymous No.106346261 >>106346881
>>106346238
If you look at the list it's only supported by a few games. Even progressive scan wasn't universal.
Anonymous No.106346331
>>106343993 (OP)
This launch nearly killed playstation for good. I will never forgive it.
>ALL IN 2006
why would that make it better? That would be a good launch in 2020 maybe in 2006 it was worthless
Anonymous No.106346694
>>106343993 (OP)
The Devs were just bad, Kojima Productions, Rockstar, Killzone Devs, Naughty Dog 99% utilized the PS3 really well
Anonymous No.106346712
>>106343993 (OP)
the nvidia gpu in ps3 was so behind ati/360 it was hilarious
Anonymous No.106346881 >>106346937
>>106346261
I had a modchip. It was all games
Anonymous No.106346937
>>106346881
Which one?
Anonymous No.106347335 >>106347642
>>106344247
i remember downloading snes roms on my windows 98 machine. emulation was huge in the USA in the late 90s until nintendo and friends started law suiting every emulator developer. at one point there was even some company trying to advertise playstation emu software so you could play any ps game on your pc, that basically got attacked as soon as it was publicly announced.
Anonymous No.106347349
>>106344115
Jebaited
Anonymous No.106347510 >>106351371
>>106345238
Tell me more of back then grandpa
Anonymous No.106347583
>>106343993 (OP)
now that I think about it, the fat PS3 committed the same mistakes as the original Xbox One, pretty much everything that's not gaming related was just bloat that made the console more expensive for no reason

hell I remember it had a bunch of weird memory card slots, not just SD, but why? did they thought people wouldl use their PS3 for data management of their camera and video recorder devices? people already had PCs for that purpose

and Blu-Ray was just DVD 2
Anonymous No.106347620
>>106343993 (OP)
>>106344074
>>106344092
Air Force bought a shit load of PS3s and made a cluster with them
Anonymous No.106347626
>>106343993 (OP)
You didn't mention it having one of the worst controllers of all time. It took what the did did wrong and then made it worse.
>still no grips for human hands
>still convex sticks
>sticks still too close together and in the wrong place
>slippery shitty trigger buttons
Anonymous No.106347642
>>106347335
This, my dad is a cheapskate and my first nintendo experiences were all on emulators. I played link to the past and links awakening with a keyboard.
Anonymous No.106347675 >>106347695
I have an fat PS3 that, like all of its peers, got the YLOD. I still have it because, one day, if my memecountry allows it, I would like to give it the "frankenstein" treatment and change the CPU for one that is less power hungry and hot.
>>106345768
>all that cope for the additional media ports
hello xbot
Anonymous No.106347695 >>106349267
>>106347675
>calling people a nigger over voice chat after chainsawing them in half
vs
>anime games
Anonymous No.106347725
>>106345852
They lie about inflation and have been lying for years. Look up the shadowstats calculation not the cpi
Anonymous No.106347761
It wasn't ahead of its time. The hardware architecture was a solution looking for a problem and the problem didn't exist.
It was all insane thread autism that would have to spin up a bunch of shit across all the random processing cores and shit they'd designed.
The "power" in the ps3 was if you could carefully manage all your threads and split up execution across threads and hyperthreads in all sorts of weird ways, then you could get decent stuff out of it, but game dev is best done when devs can get something working quickly and then spend dev time doing design stuff and making the game good, rather than spending the whole time just trying to get anything working.
Modern hardware has left this in the dust and most of the stuff that the cell processor was designed to make better, has instead been offloaded to GPUs which are far far stronger and more capable than the cell ever was.
Anonymous No.106347829 >>106347840
>>106344074
I played Burnout 3 online on the PS2.
Anonymous No.106347840 >>106348135
>>106347829
Burnout 3 and tony hawk 4 are good spotify playlists to this day. Especially for roadtrips.
Anonymous No.106347874 >>106347884 >>106347930
>>106343993 (OP)
How come even things that seemed like a massive rip off 15 years ago now seem like they were good value? Surely what's on offer now can't be that much worse. Can it?
Anonymous No.106347884
>>106347874
Steam deck seems like good value, quest 3 is good value, 9600x is good value. The only thing that sucks is nvidia.
Anonymous No.106347930
>>106347874
people are poorer
Anonymous No.106347947
>>106345787
I wish I were backwards compatible.
Anonymous No.106348041
>>106343993 (OP)
SPE was behind. CUDA released the same year and was better in every way. It remains so.
Anonymous No.106348135
>>106347840
I listen to Burnout 3 tracks every day personally, that early 2000s pop-rock/altern or whatever it's called is my favourite genre.
Anonymous No.106348260
>>106343993 (OP)
>fully backwards compatible
Anonymous No.106349267
>>106347695
I can do the former in reality
Anonymous No.106349351
>>106343993 (OP)
600$ ???? The heck? I bought my slim few years ago for like 100 in ideal condition
Anonymous No.106349462
>>106344085
>>106344153
>>106344157
>>106345784
You niggers never played Chu Chu Rocket online
Anonymous No.106349528 >>106349703
>>106345787
insane, i can play ps2 games with graphics synthesizer, DVD, CD, Blu-Ray cpaability. Four USB ports. SD and Micro SD card slots, nVidia RSX GPU, TOSHLINK optical output, and HDMI, all in 2006 for the low low price of $600
Anonymous No.106349703
>>106349528
>He's still mad about it
Just take the L cunt.
Anonymous No.106349726
SHOT THROUGH THE HEART
AND YOU'RE TO BLAME
THE PS3 [spoiler]HAS NO GAMES[/spoiler]
Anonymous No.106350593
>>106345768
>Used for charging the controllers and not much else
Wrong
>>TOSHLINK optical output
>Bloat
Also wrong
Anonymous No.106350814 >>106350849 >>106351244
>>106343993 (OP)
PS3 was an entire technological generation ahead of its time but the devs were too fucking lazy and retarded to fully exploit the console's resources until like 2012
Anonymous No.106350849
>>106350814
Xbox 360 was simply better
Anonymous No.106350879 >>106351371
>>106345238
was that really a thing? please elaborate
Anonymous No.106351093
>>106343993 (OP)
It had too many problems.

1. too expensive, $600 is still a big ask now. Back in 06, that was close to $1000 in today's eaglebux

2.it was not yet clear that blu-ray would be a new standard. There was a battle between it an HD-DVD that wouldn't be resolved until mid-gen, so it wasn't nearly as strong of a selling point as DVD playback was for the PS2

3. First generation to run into the problem of "people REALLY loved the last generation which has all these amazing games they still haven't played". When this launched at $600, PS2 was $130 with a shitload of amazing $20 games. Nintendo felt it with the WiiU a generation later, which is probably why they never dropped price on the Switch1.

4. Not everyone had HDTVs this early, so the main selling point was moot.

5. It got blindsided by the Wii, which stole ALL of the casual momentum Playstation had going with Guitar Hero-type party games. 360 did a number on it with Xbox Live, which required an immediate answer that never came. Ultimately Sony eschewed both the casual and hardcore online gamer markets to focus on moviegames, which is the niche they struggle to sustain themselves on to this day.

Wonderful hardware, but like their handhelds it didn't seem that they had any sort of actual plan. They expected that customers would just show up on their own if they made premium entertainment devices. They needed to be a little smarter and leverage their other entertainment and hardware divisions. The fact that they made only one Xperia Play phone before giving up was peak insanity. They had movie/tv + music + console + pc + phone markets, and they let every single one of them die in isolation instead of creating an ecosystem.
Anonymous No.106351244
>>106350814
No one liked developing for its convoluted as fuck processor
>muh supercomputer clusters
No one gives a fuck, it was meant to be used as a fucking entertainment device, not rocket science
Anonymous No.106351371 >>106351839
>>106347510
>>106350879
Old commodore used cassettes as data storage. Regular cassettes like ones for music.

To get a game from radio, you put an empty cassette into your boombox, tuned into late night geek radio show and at one point, radio host announced that they start transmission. You needed to press record button and pray that there are no interruptions in signal (like neighbor turning on his washing machine).

I was also buying gaming magazines that had simple freeware software and games printed on paper as a source code. You needed to type the source code from the magazine into basic compiler. People did it with zero programming knowledge. Sometimes they made a mistake in print and next issue had errata.

Cassettes for commodore were pain in ass. You needed to wait 10 minutes for shit to load into memory and if there was any reading error, you needed to start all over again. I am glad Amiga came next with floppy drive.
Anonymous No.106351483
>>106343993 (OP)
>Were devs really filtered by the hardware
No, it really just sucked to program for (did some dev for it long ago), which had gone against one of the design points for the PSX/PS2.
Anonymous No.106351666
>>106343993 (OP)
no it was not and they were not
Anonymous No.106351839
>>106351371
thanks for replying, very interesting info for someone like me that didn't live those times
Anonymous No.106352088
>>106344363
I care.
That is interesting.
Anonymous No.106352195
>>106343993 (OP)
didnt microsoft sell xbox 360 units at a loss? as far as ahead of its time goes, no, the devs were just competent. softmod it with whatever desktop you can put on it and try browsing the web, the hardware is still a steaming shitpile from 2005
Anonymous No.106352273
>>106344074
>I believe, was the start of internet connected consoles
Peter Moore ripped off Sega and stuck it in the Xbox and the rest is history.
Anonymous No.106352345
Been mainly pc forever, didn't buy a ps3, but the ps3 was probably the best of all consoles.

Great controller, built in dvd/bluray, hardware capabilities good for the time, games were still physically owned but also had internet capability.

In modern times when the most capable consoles don't give you the game, require an account and downloading, being online, etc and most games are designed for just one player and multiplayer is with other people on an entirely seperate console not friends or family sitting beside you, there is no reason not to just use a pc instead.
Nintendo hardware is nowhere near as capable as playstation or xbox, but for what a console is good for, family fun, I think they are the only console worth owning. From switch to wii they focus on entertaining children, multiplayer with friends and family, and remember what a console is about.
Playstation and xbox have become console as a service business model.
Anonymous No.106352768
>thread ignored on /v/
>posts to /g/ instead