Thread 106349816

The US government now owns 10% of Intel.

>>106349816 (OP)
Reasons not to buy intel now.

I guess usa needs their military chip maker

>>106349816 (OP)
HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN

>>106349842
That would be Micron and Honeywell among others
Using x86 for dedicated critical applications is retarded (outside of secretary/desk work/glowie botnet nothing uses x86)

>>106349816 (OP)
MIGA communism.

>>106349874
Intelaviv signed their own death sentence when they went full jew beurocracy. Of course they were going to get no real work done and then sell themselves off for short term gains
Cost accounting strikes again

>>106349908
Communism for corporate losses and cronyism capitalism for corporate profit

What allows governments to do this?

>>106349816 (OP)
Even after the stupidest boomer VC firms realize you're worthless, you can just go "muh China" and the US govt will instantly bail your ass out with tax money. Wonder how many hospitals will get defunded and how many national parks will get privatized after they do the same thing for Altman in six months. Patriots in charge.

>>106349842
>>106349892
Except they couldn't even do that, they already got tens of billions in gibs to "strengthen domestic chip manufacturing" but they just gave up and are still everything at TSMC anyway

Israel owns the other 90%

>>106349934
The Buy The Dip act passed jan 2021

>>106349934
Having the mandate from an electorate that not only tolerates but celebrates the constant, blatant criminal activity of government figures and organizations because it "owns the libtards"

>>106349816 (OP)
"I hate communism"
- trump supporters

>using fake money to buy a corpse
America 2025 be like.

>>106349816 (OP)
nothing has changed intelaviv was already zog controlled,
except now the govt will maybe start funneling taxpayer money to them

>>106350070
>start
you have to assume Intel have 0 hope of fulfilling whatever they agreed to in return for pocketing their CHIPS cash. Thus, the equity stake instead. In a ded shitco. Either that or Trumps just made this shit up entirely and its the first Intel ever heard of it. Neither would surprise.

>>106349816 (OP)
Now you KNOW its gonna fail. Time to short it.

>>106349816 (OP)
European communism style.

They need to impeach this pedophile trump and throw him in jail.

>>106349816 (OP)
Good reason to never buy Intel.

this isnt communism it's.... umm....

>>106350392
you (((know))) what it is.

>>106349816 (OP)
Why did the lolbert trump do this

Bet they will build another fab in israel soon, also dat insider trading is insane.

>>106349816 (OP)
The deal hasn't been finalized but yeah, the initial agreement to do it is basically there. I really hope for the PC market and my tax dollars that Panther Lake and Xe3 graphics are good. Otherwise, those dollars are being lit on fire.

>>106349816 (OP)
Intel just had a massive data breach, they deserve nothing.

>>106349816 (OP)
Why are they buying a dying company anyways? Is it just to keep the Duopoly so AMD isn't the only one left standing?

>>106349934
Obama bought 60% of GM in 2009.
$10B loss at sale.

I bought $2k at ~$20.
I hate Intelaviv and run purely AMD hardware.
It would be bad if they died but I am enjoying their self-administered humbling that they brought on themselves.

>>106349816 (OP)
As a reminder I told you the people on earth stupid enough to buy Intel's fabs would be the federal government. I did not expect SoftBank to join in but Son is a notorious retard so it is good company

>>106350711
yeah ultimately it seems this will be necessary but it's sad that AMD managed to go through their rough patch without needing the government to bail them out and Intel gets the privilege of a bail out by virtue of being... later and bigger

>>106349934
nothing stops the government from doing this and it's happened before. intel is a strategic asset and this probably would've happened under any other admin too.

>>106350757
well Biden was just funneling them money via other means anyway
this at least gives the government some say in what Intel does

Finally! Deprivatization of the means of production! My deal comrades of the proletariat, we're winning so good!!!

>>106350796
huh wow yeah state capitalism is communism you're right modern marx

>>106349816 (OP)
I'M RIDIN' WITH (Insert American political person for their cattle)

>>106349816 (OP)
I'M RIDIN' WITH (Insert American our political person for their cattle) for president!!! Trump is slump.

>>106349816 (OP)
>equity stake
>10%
what in communism is this?

>>106349923
no. just communism.

>>106349942
>"muh China" and the US govt will instantly bail your ass out with tax money.
>he really did forget about the tariffs
maga child rapists' understanding of economics isn't as simple as finding their way into the underpants of a child prostitutes in asia. they, the like the glowing orange sex offender in charge, don't understand how anything works. morons in power have looked at china and thought
> well, communism seems to be working for them
completely oblivious as to how much of china's economy is driven by chinese government spending and investments. usa can't match it. but they like that idea of government owned corporations that can be used to punish anyone not towing the line with supply problems and sanctions.

>>106349816 (OP)
It's risky to invest in US companies because the US government can just demand getting an equity stake.

>>106350932
how does a company with a Chinese CEO qualify as American?

>>106349874
heh

>>106350805
>state capitalism
no. that's just good ol' communism wearing a worn out jacket. you're not fooling anyone here, xiang woo lee.

>>106350932
USG bought common stock at market rates. retail investors have nothing to fear.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-08-22/trump-poised-to-unveil-intel-deal-for-equity-stake-on-friday
>Under the Friday agreement, the US will receive 433,323,000 shares of common stock — representing 9.9% of the fully diluted common shares in Intel — with the government pledging to release nearly $8.87 billion in funding under the Chips and Science Act, people familiar with the terms said, speaking on condition of anonymity to outline the deal before it was formally unveiled.

>>106351013
> gov buys stock
> pledges to release money that was supposed to have already been spent / previously promised
ah. they're trying to pump up the stock price.. for themselves and investors. nice scam.

TDS is real. You know damn well this was going to happen anyway. Obama did it for companies far less important than Intel. The problem of course being that the fundamental problem (American companies are bending over backwards to not focus on their core competency) so this will be pissing away money.

>>106351032
not for themselves.
Japanese intelligence got the Epstein files, so Japanese had to be paid for their silence.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-08-18/softbank-agrees-to-invest-2-billion-in-intel-as-part-of-us-push

>>106351045
> communist parrot bot thinks it's still 2010 or something
hilary clinton's email server just flew over my house! two more weeks! etc.

Look at what they did with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

>>106351045
>obama derangement syndrome

>>106351068
that's why China insisted on keeping their CEO on and giving Trump no voting power for Intel.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-08-22/trump-poised-to-unveil-intel-deal-for-equity-stake-on-friday
>The shares are non-voting and there is no board seat for the US government, according to the people. Tan was at the Commerce Department building on Friday finalizing the deal.

Cool, this is where all the funds saved by firing park rangers, air traffic controllers, and weather forecasters got funneled to. The funds that were allowed to stay in the US, at least.

>>106350978
>backdoor for American intelligence agencies
>regularly bailed out by American taypayers
>uses said American taxpayer money to build infrastructure and create high paying jobs in Israel
seems pretty American to me

>>106351113
yeah I rather have a fucking fab than 6000 park rangers
God willing you faggots will all fuck off and die soon enough

>America does what has happened in hundred countries, including the US, before
>people flip out and act like it is special for doing that
What's the deal with this? A 10% stake is miniscule as far as national investments go. Seems like Chinks making a big deal out of a small investment.

>>106351127
CHIPS act actually was funding fabs and just fabs.
this now gives the money from the CHIPS act to Intel without any conditions. Intel can go fabless tomorrow and you can do nothing about it.

>>106351127
They already have a dozen fabs in the US they are just so incompetent that by the time they finish a new one it's already 3 generations behind TSMC so they end up manufacturing the designs there, this literally just happened (again) with the gibs Sleepy gave them

>>106351145
it's a 20 billion dollar investment in a company that loses 10 billion dollars a year and has no global strategic relevance because they fucking suck dick, their only use is in surveillance of Americans

They build one useless building for show and send the money to Israel. THAT'S THE PLAN.

>>106351158
they need to go fabless retard
spin em off and glofo them
that's the idea and their Mubadala Investment Company

>>106351194
retard look at Intel's sheet and tell me why they are losing money

>>106349892
intel has fabs, and retooled specifically so they can take orders, they also dont have to do x86 designs, none of their cpus are really x86 anyway, all instrcutions are decoded.

>>106351194
You are such a a hyperbolic retard. Intel is making GNR for a year which is within pissing distance of TSMC/AMD
They are not generations behind anymore you're stuck 2021
The problem is they have a shitload of machinery on their books which they needed to get caught up but are not needed for 18a/14a but they have to pay for it
That's what the fed investment is trying to ease out
I swear you dingbats haven't even listened to an Intel earnings report

>>106351217
looks like Intel planned to build new fabs with a grant from the US government (Chips act).
US government now revoked that grant and instead wants stocks for that money. so on Intel's balance sheet $10 billion plus just became $10 billion minus.

>>106351247
>killing his own "national" company instead of TSMC
the art of the deal

>>106351247
go check again. it was not

>>106351239
>With Intel admitting the competitive gap even with Granite Rapids and Clearwater Forest pushout, the product chief has once again dropped hints at engaging an external foundry for DC products.

>>106349816 (OP)
From what I understand Intel needs a government bailout to survive.
In which case the government should take 100% not just 10%.

>>106351145
>What's the deal with this? A 10% stake is miniscule as far as national investments go.
It's not an investment: the US government isn't buying Intel stock on the stock market.
They're really just stealing 10% from the shareholders.

Now if the US government bails out Intel and gets some shares in return that would be fair game.
But they're trying to do this with other chip manufacturers as well now although I think they told Trump to fuck off.

>>106351266
checked.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-08-22/trump-poised-to-unveil-intel-deal-for-equity-stake-on-friday
>Under the agreement, the US will receive 433.3 million shares of common stock — representing 9.9% of the fully diluted common shares in Intel — according to a statement from the company. The $8.9 billion investment will be funded by grants from the US Chips and Science Act and Secure Enclave program that had previously been extended but not yet paid, Intel said, confirming a report by Bloomberg News.
>Together with the $2.2 billion in Chips Act money that Intel already received, the investment totaled $11.1 billion.
$2.2 billion as grants. assets on the balance sheet.
$8.9 billion as stocks. liabilities on the balance sheet.
originally it was $11.1 all in grants.
so current US government turned $8.9 billion of Intel's assets to liabilities.

>>106351228
intels fabs has no customers.
>only people that use intel fab is intel cpu
>intel cpu sucks and kills itself cause of intel fab
>no one uses intel cpu so intel fab is worthless
intel fab thinking dropping runs

>>106351228
> so they can take orders, t
They tried to get customers without success...

>>106351405
no retard, it increases equity and dilutes existing shareholders. now intel doesn't have to pay back shit and in essence intel sell chunk of itself and it's no longer grants.

>>106351247
Who benefits?

>>106351452
potus literally said that the u.s. paid nothing. intc is paying.

>>106351475
Why doesn't he just take full control? What's the advantage of 10% vs. 100%? I don't understand?

>>106349892
moron

>>106351475
thank you for your attention to this matter

>>106351452
chips act grants were never supposed to be paid back. you got short-changed.

>>106349816 (OP)
Welcome to the USSA where we choose which corporations fail and which ones succeed. You as the consumer no longer have a choice, and as a taxpayer all corporate failures are now on your dime. Of course, it's shared losses, but not shared profits. Don't get it twisted.

>>106351475
>potus literally said
Did it occur to you that the POTUS is full of shit?

>>106351493
Sleepy Joe already promised Intel $10B or whatever under the CHIPS plan, under the condition they build fabs. Intel need the cash, but can't build the fabs, or it would be non-viable. tldr, they need a bailout. And US/Trump still has to pretend Intel is a viable functional company otherwise, thus 10% not 100%, altho they were demanding TSMC take over 50% last week.

>>106349816 (OP)
The US is taking a 10% Equity Stake in an Israeli company. You can't make this shit up. Absolute socialism under a Republican president to boot.

Intel's only viable move is to diverge it's fabs just like AMD did. The fabs are literally bleeding them dry. tens of hundreds of billions have been wasted on them and R&D over the last 10 years with little progress.

They even have conceded this by moving their latest nodes to TSMC and it looks like they will keep using TSMC. It makes absolutely no sense to keep these fabs under their portfolio, but I'm guessing "someone" above them is forcing them at this point.

>>106351566
$10B is also 10% of Intel's $105B total equity.
So that 10% is clearly not a coincidence and one could even argue it's fair.

But what Trump is forgetting is that $10B was supposed to be an incentive to build fabs in America despite higher cost and lower productivity of American labor.
So if companies have to give up equity to get CHIPS money the incentive is gone and you might as well just cancel it and accept China producing the chips the US military needs.

>>106351527
that if they do thing as required faggot >>106351475
cause they where already given money from grants, now they don't have to follow chips act regulations.

>>106349934
>What allows governments to do this?
Voters. It's my be shocking concept to some people but rules of the game are decided by social consensus.

>>106351424
>>106351436

reading comprehension, poster claimed that the us government couldnt or wouldnt use intel as a chipmaker, but they absolutely can

>>106351475
>US fully owns and controls 10% of INTEL
>The US paid nothing for these shares
I don't understand. Why would Intel give up 10% of its equity for nothing in return? Isn't this just ripping off every other share owner as well by diluting?

>>106349934
Government is basically another company that you vote and pay for.

>>106351690
>for nothing in return?
The CEO got to keep his job despite being a Chinese agent.
Plus they get to keep the CHIPS money, although that was a donation to begin with Trump just won't un-gift it.

>Isn't this just ripping off every other share owner as well by diluting?
Yep

>>106351739
>Plus they get to keep the CHIPS money, although that was a donation to begin with Trump just won't un-gift it.
Ah okay, I missed that bit. So basically this was Intel's way to get the CHIPS funding without following through with spending it on fabs?

>>106349816 (OP)
> Let a company build backdoors into every piece of electronics on the planet
> Don't even have authority over them
Heads should roll

>>106349892
>That would be Micron and Honeywell among others
Tell me you are over 65 without telling me you are over 65.

>>106351744
>without following through with spending it on fabs?
No, they still have to build those fabs.

>>106351761
Reminder that AMD has their own equivalent of Intel ME for over a decade now

>>106351690
trump probably was going to pull the grants that they hadnt paid out yet if they didnt give something, a stake in intel means that if intel gets back on its feet the us government can sell its shares to recupe the cost.

>Furthermore, the deal includes a five-year warrant for the government to acquire an additional 5% of Intel's common shares if the company ceases to own at least 51% of its foundry business. This provision acts as a safeguard, giving the U.S. leverage to ensure Intel remains committed to its core manufacturing operations, a key objective of the government's investment.
https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1748/intel-and-trump-administration-reach-historic-agreement-to
> The government will receive a five-year warrant, at $20 per share for an additional five percent of Intel common shares, exercisable only if Intel ceases to own at least 51% of the foundry business.

Well so much for going fabless anytime soon.

>>106351475
>he believed picrel
Miga

>>106351744
>>106351771
this appears to be the point of contention.
I dont think they do, I suspect Intel just grabbed the CHIPS cash at the time, then discovered whatever they had agreed to was non-viable. But now they have the cash planned and are fucked otherwise. I cant see why Trump has them bouncing around like a hot potato otherwise, last week its 'TSMC, buy 50% of Intel', this week its 'US is taking 10% of Intel' - none of this makes sense unless:
>near bankruptcy
>cant build promised fabs, or would be non-viable to do so
>need CHIPS cash anyway, or go titsup
The 10% stake is just a US guarantee for a(n unwilling) loan now with none of the promised fabs being built, imo. They'll probably still be back needing moar bailouts next year tho And so on.

>>106349816 (OP)
Okay, sure. Partially nationalize a failing US chip-maker because it's essential for economic and national security, while the fucking oil industry just sits there raping our own natural resources for private profit.

I, my family, my town, my whole state could be living like Saudi princes off of the boon from what they drill up from our land, but that would mean some shareholder in his late-80s can't continue to compound his Swiss bank account that generates enough monthly interest to build a space program.

Oh, also we have to privatize schools, the post office, prisons, rail systems, hospitals, health insurance, internet service, and fucking water. But god forbid we let the free market give Intel what's coming to them until they innovate or get their shit together.

I’m confused, how does this get them out of the CHIPs Act. Is it just like Trump signing an EO? Or did the act have some sort of out clause? Cause otherwise I can’t see how this would dissolve the agreement. Would using an EO to nullify the agreement under the act even be possible?

Seize the means of production!
With socialist production for a better tomorrow!

>>106349934
Power to regulate the market.

>>106352085
its (imo) basically just saving them from bankruptcy, which would (probably) have occurred had they either been forced to fulfill their obligations under the CHIPS grant terms, or repaid that. tldr, they cant do what they agreed to, but their fucked without the cash, TSMC (and everyone else sane) had no interest in taking them over - USG taking equity was the easiest hit.

>>106351956
>>near bankruptcy
Intel is not near bankruptcy lol. They have well over 150B in assets with only ~90B in liabilities, and on top of that they have over ~20B in cash or short term investments. They had 6 bad quarters (and likely 2 more to come) after a decade+ of making ham over fist in net income.

Nor would they ever hit bankruptcy. The US will never allow it and this confirms it, and Intel going belly up has far more consequences for everyone else. It's not even in AMD's best interest to let Intel disappear (nor would it. The absolute worse case is someone buys Intel. You are delusional if you think it'll just disappear)

>>106352085
The gov is taking equity instead of demanding its billions back

>>106351808
Year/Quarter | Foundry Operating Income (Loss) (in billions of USD) | Total Company Net Income (Loss) (in billions of USD)
2021 | N/A | $19.9
2022 | N/A | $8.0
2023 | ($7.0) | $1.7
2024 | ($13.0) | ($18.8)
2024 Q1 | ($2.5) | ($0.4)
2024 Q2 | ($2.8) | ($1.6)


Really makes you think

I can’t wait for the cankle fat fuck to fuck off this planet. This 10% is borderline illegal and the money will be going right to his pocket.

I LOVE STATE CAPITALISM

>>106349816 (OP)
After years of propping up israel The US finally owns something jewish.
It'll be socialize the losses privatize the gains.
The taxpayers will bail intel out.

>>106352120
Tyrannically based.

>State capitalism, USA
> >:\
>State capitalism, PRC
>. :)

>>106352371
>he didn't eat up as much as he could during the $18-$20 year long fire sale
sucks to be you lel

>>106352432
It doesn't belong to him, though? It's the USG's stock aka all US citizens like how it worked in 2008. I'm not saying it isn't wrong and US citizens didn't get to vote to save Intel by using tax dollars but this in exchange for Intel getting everything they were promised government assistance for that would've gone to them is better than anything else when the money had been allocated already to go to them and with less preconditions.

>>106353164
Yes yes compare yourself to China again

>>106352120
>Manufactures nothing in the US
>All the jobs go to Israel

Winning bigly

The difference between Chinese and American manufacturing is that nothing has to be don't have to be made when our government prints funny money. ISPs have been getting grants for decades, executives pocket the money, and only big cities have first world internet speeds.

>>106349934
The government is allowed to participate in the market

>>106349816 (OP)
because nvidia and AMD are eating their lunch. they are desperate.

So recession confirmed then. It's sad to watch things continuously crumble, even if everybody knew it would happen eventually.

>>106353285
Indeed we should. They have the most beneficial form of capitalism for the wehrstaat. We are in the era where such a state structure will be necessary again, you may be too enlightened to realize it. There are other elements we cannot replicate but an $11 billion investment is miniscule compared to what should be done.

>>106353202
Should have put it on a ballot. I may be surprised to see how popular it would be if proposed by anyone other than Trump.

>>106349826
>Reasons not to buy intel now.

Intel chips are unusable atm, which is the actual reason not to buy intel slop.

>>106349977
holy based and literally me pilled

>>106349977
haha oh wait fuck I'm trapped here too

Based
Honestly this is capitalism at its pure form
Corporates may have some freedom to do so as they please, but ultimately they have to respond to the government

>>106349934
Jews.

>>106349816 (OP)
Wow!
Just in time for the Ryzen era. There's certainly loads of use for this!

>>106349816 (OP)
>>106349934
>>106350688
this is literally communism. the US is now becoming the USSR.

>>106352085
>I’m confused, how does this get them out of the CHIPs Act
from what I've read, trump killed the CHIPS act by literally firing everyone in the office that was in charge of managing that shit

>>106349816 (OP)
Intel sucks my unwashed anus

>>106351453
Oligarchs who wanted to buy stock at pennies on the dollar.

>>106349826
Well as a PATRIOT I will be buying Celestial.

>>106354462
how? Trump-USA gobbled the stocks up, they don't get it

>>106349816 (OP)
> The stake will be paid for through $5.7 billion in grants previously awarded to Intel under the 2022 U.S. CHIPS and Science Act, plus $3.2 billion awarded to the company as part of a program called Secure Enclave.
Well I'll give credit where its due.
He turned a free handout into a stock buy.

Still a dogshit company, but a better deal than just handing out cash.

>>106349826
You need more reasons?

>>106349910
You remember when Intel was abandoning chips to focus on AI? And the idiots believe it. Ha I wonder where those idiots are now. Probably rich off bailout cash..

>>106349908
The old deal was free money no strings attached
The new deal is same amount of money, for a stock purchase.
Its less communist than that old goof Biden

>>106349934
Its a publicly traded company. he is giving them money for stock.

>>106349958
preach

>>106349977
This is actually less fiscally irresponsible than what it replaced. But by all means, keep hating.
Its not that Trump is good, its that what came before is so bad this is still an improvement.


For everyone I didnt respond to: youre an idiot. This thread is filled with dumbass takes.

>>106352243
Gee, I wonder where all the money went?

according to miga trump tards...State ownership of private business is now a good thing...?

>>106351475
And you believe this?
2+2=5

>>106349934
The government is literally a company except it has moral superiority over you because it exists as an authority of violence and "laws" rather than just a normal entity.

>>106349816 (OP)
>get multiple billion dollars from the government
>now this

>>106351956
Correct,intel fired like 80k people and cancelled most of the fabs in last few years.

>>106354845
Trump is literally making ai waifus great again and you're complaining.

non-americans should never buy intel

>>106349816 (OP)
>Trump administration now owns 10% of Intel

>Communism is when you buy a 10% MARKET share in a company not even nationalizing the whole thing or giving it over to common or worker ownership
You all can't be this stupid. You can't just slap communism onto everything you dislike even when it's clearly right-wing economically for the most part just because you don't want to admit that it's a fault of the right.
>>106350805
State capitalism isn't technically right either but it's close to right than most of this thread.

>>106349908
>What? I thought I could be a heckin based Twitter propagandist
Make the fucking CPU chips!

>>106356678
"The deal puts Trump on better terms with Intel CEO Lip-Bu Tan, after the president recently said the CEO should step down due to conflicts of interest. It will ensure that the chipmaker will receive about $10 billion in funds for building or expanding factories in the U.S.

Under the agreement, the U.S. will purchase a 9.9% stake in Intel for $8.9 billion, or $20.47 per share, which represents a discount of about $4 from Intel's closing share price of $24.80 on Friday. "
Like I can't stress enough that this isn't even just Trump seizing 10%. He just bought it essentially.

>>106356678
Nationalizing an industry is fascism. Since we live in a democracy that doesn't even check if it's residents are citizens it's communism though.

>>106356784
But he paid nothing :^) - according to himself lol

>>106356803
It depends, it can be fascist or numerous other things but state ownership can be a method of socialism (not communist in practice though) and nationalizing is one method of achieving state ownership within socialist ideologies. But I'm talking to people who probably think every random "communist" regime is literally communist in practice so I had to say "not even". Personally I think state ownership is a bad idea from the start but that's neither here nor there.

>>106350982
Lmao if trump admin tells them to fire all the diversity hires immediately instead that would be so funny. Except he'll just let them import like 80,000 indians to replace the workers instead.

>>106350616
Intel is the only US company with anything close to leading-edge manufacturing. They don't give a fuck about x86.

>>106349892
no, you are the retarded one

I never want to see an american talk about the "free market" or "capitalism" or "muh freedumbs" ever again hahahahahaha

>>106356803
>>Nationalizing an industry is fascism.
LOL WHAT

>>106357178
This is the free market in action. Unfortunately.

Trump did it so it's good.

>>106356914
You're right but just roll with it.
>>106357180
That's literally what corporatism is.

>>106349816 (OP)
It's like people forget Trump was a god tier businessman.

>>106357178
Actually Obama did it on a much larger scale and nobody complained.

>>106356784
you know trump hates tan because he's DEI. trump is likely going to serve him polonium tea at some point.

so basically intel is done

the world is now nvidia x amd x arm

>>106357339
>muh obama
hahahaha so predictable
obama buck broke white americans so hard they destroyed their own country just so no more brown people could become president hahahaha

>>106357412
tds

>>106357178
Anon, they already destroyed Japan during the mid 1980s-1990s because they were ahead in semiconductors.
For a few critical areas like military engines, chips, software, finance the US is completely hostile to any foreign competition* and overprotective using taxpayer money and sanctions to have advantage.

>>106349816 (OP)
Stars and stripes OS to compete with Star Os when

>>106357456
nah. not even close. they thought they could fuck the US as revenge for ww2, so we unleashed the jews on them. japan is still in a recession, all these decades later

>>106353337
>fire American workers
>hire H1B Indians
>shut down most of your fabs
>relocate them to Israel
>tens of billions of US tax payer money funded all of this

TRUMP WON

AMERICA WON

>>106352371
When you read about Trump's latest interview where he says he's on the "bottom of the totem pole" and he "really wants to go to heaven", it's beginning to make a lot of sense.

>>106349816 (OP)
Socialism for the rich.

They still have to get clients for their foundry if they are to survive, and shit ain't looking good.

>>106358322
the best kind of socialism

>>106352371
>Governments owning an stake in key industries is now illegal
I hope you never take a look at how european governments invest money in the local industry...
France is almost the biggest shareholder of every french car manufacturer.

>>106349934
Who cares? The government spends $1 trillion a year on welfare to feed lazy niggers and you're worried about $9 billion to rescue one of America's most important tech companies so we don't become completely reliant on foreign countries for all of our technology and subservient to China once they take over Taiwan. There isn't one single good argument against this unless you're a Chinese shill who wants to see America collapse.

>>106357339
you fucks will never get over obama will you
lmfao

>>106350982
Hello, where is DODGE? I thought woke was over.

>>106354487
yes i don't know where you were for the last 9 years but they've been anti-free trade party for that time

Japan has invested a larger amount in Rapidus and no one bats an eye
Is there a word for this phenomenon where the Japanese can do things we can't because they attract less attention? I really wish our government could do that too but they have to yell and scream about everything how they're doing things instead of just quietly doing their job

>>106358970
Japan is forced to destroy their conglomerates (see Mitsubishi) after WWII. They have their own problems.

>>106351808
Yay more inferior chips nobody will buy

>>106358970
Americans proselytize free markets and small governments but then don't do this.
Japanese aren't committing such hypocrisy.

>>106349934
In america we have state capitalism with central planning and fiat currency and pretend that we have actual capitalism

>>106359036
Maybe one subset of one party does. But they're the minority and always have been. For god's sake the federal government set the price of raisins for 70s years and that was never an important industry.

>>106359003
lies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiretsu#History
>During the occupation of Japan, under the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers, General Douglas MacArthur, a partially successful attempt was made to dissolve the zaibatsu in the late 1940s. Sixteen zaibatsu were targeted for complete dissolution, and 26 more for reorganization after dissolution.
>However, the companies formed from the dismantling of the zaibatsu were later reintegrated.

>>106359085
>zaibatsu were later reintegrated.
Keiretsu =/= Zaibatsu
There's no strong vertical control, no familiar control (most of them are public companies), not real financial integration like in the past.
Compare Samsung with Mitsubishi and the metastasis of companies, many core areas forced to be public (MHI, Nikon).

>>106359051
That is capitalism. Capitalism doesn't imply free markets. As long as the capital investors generally retain their property, or are compensated for it, and accumulate the surplus value of labor it is capitalism by definition.

>>106349816 (OP)
god damnit... now it's going to become inefficient
gov should fuck off...

>>106359255
The feds were giving them this money before
Now they're giving them money and demanding Intel issue them new shares in exchange for the money
How will this change make Intel more or less efficient? How would this change make Intel more or less accountable for the money they are receiving from the federal government? Please elaborate without using FrogGPT.

>>106358970
>Japan has invested a larger amount in Rapidus and no one bats an eye
you don't get it. japan doesn't claim to be the worlds moral police, the global "freedom fighter" or anything like that. as >>106359036 said, the US government and americans do. your country starts wars in the name of freedom. YOUR governments promoted muh free trade and shit.

>>106359279
>and you lynch negroes
How is any of that relevant to government capital allocation? You retards simply scream because you're obsessed with America as usual.

Cannot wait until these megaminds find out the US government still owns some factories and leases them to private companies to operate.

>>106359036
>taking American larping seriously
The only things the US believes in is maintaining hegemony.
If you think they won't do anything to try and achieve that it's on you.

>>106359218
Capitalism requires capital investment. Since we no longer have real money there is never capital invested and it is not capitalism. At best it's keynsianism but in actuality it's state capitalism with central planning.

>>106359371
Unfortunately it is in substance and action money. I suppose you have some metaphysical argument against it, which is fine. But in practice the capital classes behave almost indistinguishably in their efforts to accumulate more of it whether it be fiat or not.

>>106359371
>even though that money buys labour and assets its not real money because... BECAUSE I JUST SAID SO OK
You can claim that a lot of the money is being invested in non productive financial assets, but to claim that it's not real money is a retarded argument.

>>106359409
It's much much much worse than actual capitalism. As is, currency doesn't function a currency should function in that it is not a functional store of value. The currency constantly depreciates so asset prices constantly increase. Poor investments are frequently just be bailed out by inflation alone let alone with zombie corporations like intel. This is the worst of every world. The worst of capitalism, the worst of state run economies rolled into one. At least in capitalism malinvestment is punished and things become more efficient. In this we just reward bad behavior with government bailouts. The dollar is backed by military force surrounding oil and a consumer slave population alone.

>>106359472
Money isn't a store of value. It's not even really bought or sold. The artifically low interest rates that are lower than the inflation rate are used to take out a loan against current assets to then buy more assets that then appreciate faster than the apr of the loan because it's lower than the inflation rate. This is central planning around fake interest rates and fake money.

>>106359514
It is actual capitalism. You don't get to use Marxist terms then change the definition to an idealized form which has never existed. Even when gold was the standard corporations were bailed out and investors compensated for nationalization.
It isn't the idealized gold-backed, free market capitalism but I don't see how you can argue the current system isn't capitalism.

>>106349923
the party men always got the lion's share

>>106359553
Because there is no capital being used to invest, there is no risk to investment because you are bailed out by the inflation rate. The state fixes the price of money and therefore it is centrally planned.

>>106349826
Glowtel (TM)

>>106358923
>Old logo.
Bait used to be believable.
>>106359003
What about the South Korean ones?

>>106360081
>Muh bait
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/corporate-information/supplier-diversity-policy-2017.pdf

>>106354467
Then he'll crash Intel's value and sell them for pennies on the dollar.

>>106349816 (OP)
>china government supports chinese business
NO! commieAAAEIEEEOOOOUU

>us government sponsors jewish business
yes, thank you, dear capitalism

>>106359548
Money hasn't been a store of value beyond the short term for more than half a century now anywhere in the world.
It's a political and economic tool used to achieve whatever objectives the leadership of a given country decides on.
Doesn't make it fake, you're just pretending that it's supposed to be something it's not.

>>106359577
Capitalism has never existed without the explicit backing of a centralized state.
You don't have capitalism without the enforcement of property rights, contracts, money and so on.

>>106359218
>As long as the capital investors generally retain their property
Which is not the case here: existing Intel shareholder do not get compensated, they had to hand over 10% of their property to the government and got nothing in return.

>>106360306
>>china government supports chinese business
>NO! commieAAAEIEEEOOOOUU
that's not how china works.
the chinese government is powerless. the chinese communist party has the power. the head of the chinese government, premier li qiang, is a nobody. the general secretary of the ccp has all the power but his official position in the government is that of a powerless ceremonial president.
chinese communist party cells do not merely support chinese businesses, they control them.

>>106360306
You should be happy that we're becoming more like China

>>106360512
lies.

any public company is allowed to issue new equity and dilute existing shareholders. even i could do that if i exercise my faang rsus.

>>106360564
>any public company is allowed to issue new equity and dilute existing shareholders.
When they do that they get something in return: cash from new shareholders or assets from a company they took over.

This time they had to give it to the government for free and the US president even threatened the CEO claiming he was a Chinese spy and should be fired.

>>106349816 (OP)
The govt of Taiwan owns 25% of TMSC and is largely responsible for its success.

>>106349816 (OP)
Now THAT'S the kind of socialism I've voted for!
>You lost, tranny(TM)

>>106360618
They got 8b or so in government subsidies.
It's retroactive, but lmao.

Please just go back to 30$ so I can sell and never ever think about this crap again

>>106355742
dumb underage nigger

>>106349816 (OP)
can't believe venezuela nationalized 10% of such an important foreign company... whoops i mean the US

>>106349816 (OP)
His knowledge of the tech sector is firmly rooted in the lay of the land circa 1994. Which is when he fucked that 13 year old chick that Epstein blackmailed him over.

>>106360253
>2017
8 YEARS AGO!

>>106360523
Who's the president of the PRC again?

>>106351122
But imagine if Biden or Obama did it lmao

>>106351475
>Paid nothing for shares
That's not how it fucking works. I know dipshit don will do anything he can besides release the Epstein files unedited, but this is a blatant lie even for him. https://newsroom.intel.com/corporate/intel-and-trump-administration-reach-historic-agreement

>>106360729
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_China
>The president of China, officially the president of the People's Republic of China, is the state representative of the People's Republic of China. On its own, it is a ceremonial office and has no real power in China's political system.

>>106360729
no one cares about being president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping
>Xi Jinping[a] (born 15 June 1953) is a Chinese politician who has been the general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), and thus the paramount leader of China, since 2012.
next you claim Mao was powerless because he wasn't the president.

Friendly reminder that it is the same 10-20 extremely salty extremely annoying German AMD shills constantly posting this day in day out because they falsely believe they are owed money from other nations.

>>106360842
>falsely believe they are owed money from other nations

>>106360798
>>106360833
Paramount leader of CHINA, not the CCP.
Plus Mao was really the first president (then known as chairman).

>>106360871
AfD, right?

>>106360923
calling Xi Jinping "president" would be an insult. his allies like Putin don't call him "president" but by his actual Leninist title.

>>106360923
China doesn't even have an army. what's there to lead? you want to lead the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army#Mission
>The PLA's primary mission is the defense of the CCP and its interests.[7] It is the guarantor of the party's survival and rule,[7][8] and the party prioritizes maintaining control and the loyalty of the PLA.[8]

>>106360945
no, CDU
https://www.politico.eu/article/gold-germany-conservatives-sound-alarm-over-reserves-usa/
>German tabloid Bild, owned by POLITICO parent company Axel Springer, reported on Thursday that outgoing Christian Democratic Union (CDU) lawmaker Marco Wanderwitz is one of those concerned.
>Already in 2012, Wanderwitz had unsuccessfully requested to inspect the gold holdings as part of an effort to pressure the bank to either take a more active role as a custodian, or to repatriate it to Germany.
>“Of course, the question now arises again,” Wanderwitz said in comments reported by Bild.
>European Union lawmaker Markus Ferber, also of the CDU, equally called for more checks on German gold stored in the U.S.

>>106361193
Remember when france came for their gold,pulled up a warship to get it and that weekend the US left the gold standard and gave france $USD instead?
(and some extra so they didn’t trash their credit risk rating into the B’s I’ll wager)

holy fuck is this for real?

people not living in US and Israel must avoid intel at all costs.

>>106361373
>holy fuck is this for real?
How does any of this surprise you? Americans are faggots and the scum of the planet, were you living below a rock on Mars?

>>106361415
I would expect a private company with a global customer base to steer clear of aligning itself with US/Israeli state

This is troubling. We need new CPU manufacturers from Europe and China to enter the market.

>>106360871
>>106361193
>CDU/CSU.
Conservative? More like cuckservative.
>>106360968
The main one is paramount leader alright. But he's still the president.
>>106361127
The PRC just has used the CCP's paramilitary (the PLA, with the A standing for Army) as its military. But they are still separate CMCs, the Party one and the State one.
>>106361373
Canada isn't the only other country. Plus a lot of countries have sovereign wealth funds, like Norway and the UAE.

>buying chips literally MADE BY THE US GOVERNMENT
It's like you WANT backdoors.

>106361485
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>>106360665
after even the schmucks at the federal government and softbank rushed to become bagholders you still can't recuperate your investment?
damn

>>106360512
It is merely diluted ownership but they are being compensated by higher valuation now AND still accumulate any surplus labor value if Intel were to ever discover what that is.

>>106361487
are you implying there aren't backdoors in TSMC built Intel/AMD/Qualcomm chips?

>>106361521
There could be. Nobody has come out and proved it though. But with intel chips being government owned, I have zero faith the whole thing isn't backdoored by the cheapest, most crackable design outsourced to some jeets.

>106361496
?

>>106360523
>the chinese government is powerless

>>106349816 (OP)
This does not go far enough.
Intel should have been split into two companies. The fabrication facilities should be entirely owned by the US government. The design side company should have to pay all profits to the federal government until the fabrication facility is either a) profitable or b) producing the world's best chips in volume. If in 20 years Intel Fab is still not profitable all Intel C-suite and board members from 2014-2025 and their descendants, should be executed

Tell me why I'm wrong

>>106357202
The US hasn't been a free market in centuries. Anyone who criticizes free market theory by pointing at regulatory problems with industry in the US is literally a retard.

>>106358322
Always has been.

>>106361541
i don't know what to say if think it hasn't been proven

>>106361564
Where is the regulatory problem here? This is a company agreeing to give 10% of it's stake for funding.

>>106361587
>Where is the regulatory problem here?
Holy shit
>This is a company agreeing to give 10% of it's stake for funding.
Dude
Are you okay?

>>106361610
Are you retarded? The problem here is the company can willingly make an agreement with the preexisting government not the government made them do it.

>>106361628
Stop trying to change the subject
You got so triggered by my post because I didnt even have to say anything in response to what you posted
I just had to repeat it back to you
>What is the regulatory problem with a company being partially owned by its chief regulator??
Bro
Are you 16?

>>106361736
>Stop trying to change the subject
It's the same subject it has been.
>You got so triggered by my post because I didnt even have to say anything in response to what you posted
What are you even talking about?
>>What is the regulatory problem with a company being partially owned by its chief regulator?
Yes a government having a stake in a company is a regulatory problem. But do you know what isn't? How it happened in the first place in this case.

>>106349816 (OP)
why americans like want to do anything for israel so much, even at the cost of being absolutely miserable.

>>106361789
they're trying to find their foreskins

>>106358970
Handling their 80s bubble collapse in this manner is why Japan went from the world's richest country to Poland for trannies, I think that might be some reason for concern

>>106361811
i didn't even think of that, usa cut their penis because israel say so, insane

>>106354470
>This is actually less fiscally irresponsible than what it replaced
Literally every time a Republican is a president the US national debt balloons out of control, whereas during a Democrat presidency it contracts. And now it's gonna become even worse with the Big Beautiful Bill.

Is intel for poorfags now that they're taking gibs from the government?

>>106361882
they've been for poorfags since Zen 3

>>106361563
No.
Just because AMD decided to to it doesn’t mean it’s a good idea for intel.
A decade ago everyone was saying what a *mistake* it was for AMD to spin-off their fab.

It was other things.

Also, not all parts of the chip *need* 3 nm, even AMD doesn’t do that. Made easier with chiplets.

>>106362054
Yeah, the thing that saved AMD from a point where their bankruptcy was already treated as a foregone conclusion? No need to even try that for a company that just got bailed out by taxpayer money, just keep building fabs in Tel Aviv!

Wow, AMD's competency knows no bounds
When they fucked up their manufacturing at least they didn't fuck up so badly they needed to be bailed out by Greatest Business Man of All Time Donald J. Trump just some measly oil princes

Criticism is antisemetic and is pretty much illegal in the US. You get travel bans if you get caught.

>>106362155
I thought the travel bans were that you couldn't come back to the US

Why did the US government not bailout AMD during bulldozer era? AMD is literally the American Manufacturing Department.

>>106362141
Trump didn't bail them out, you did, you just didn't have a say in it

>>106362210
don't be like that

>>106362236
>implying I pay taxes
i'm a neet on /g/

>>106362339
even if you don't pay taxes they'll print money to pay for all this stuff
imagine how much prices will go up if they print $11 billion (ignoring that it would actually increase by $0 since they were already giving intel via grants)

>>106349816 (OP)
Isn't Intel an Israeli company?

Holy fuck. Talk about bailout.

>>106359472
the anon is right, this isnt real money. Like at all.

>>106360417
nta, but you're now describing social credit. That's not money.

Intel always wins

America will not let Intel fail

>>106363114
>America will not let Israel fail

>>106363122
A multi trillion dollars investment, too big to fail, can you blame them?

>>106350445
Truly a mystery, we may never know.

>>106349816 (OP)
Cool, so where's the Epstein files?

>>106363239
most of the planet has accepted that it's a hoax, maybe it's time to stop

>>106349816 (OP)
Wow who could have seen this coming/s

Fuck intel

Fuck corpo communism

Hard times are coming folks and that fat fucking retard Vaush is right again.

Governments are corporations.

See you fuckers in 13 years.
I got my rice, beans, and a tent.
Lmk when we are starting a better system.

>>106363277
Still can never tell if people are being ironic here anymore. Too many genuine stupids made it in in the past 10 years.

>>106363320
the shill farm is trying to propagate the "fact" that the EPSTEIN LIST never existed

i genuinely don't see the issue
>government was gonna give them money anyway
>goverment decides they may as well get some shares out of it
>people go into meltdown mode even though this has been done by both democrats and republicans in the past 2 decades with minimal complaints

people seem to believe the free market is when the government props up companys and gets nothing in return, while the goverment getting a share from the bail out is a perversion of it

Are we ever getting B770 or are they skipping to Celestial?

>>106363541
>intel launching a 500-600 mm2 (comparable with the 4090) to compete against a 180 mm2 card
grim

>>106360669
waifus are for all ages. it's PLATONIC.

>>106361789
95% of politicians are bought by Israeli lobbyists.
That's not even an exaggeration, that's an accurate fact.
Americans don't love Israel, but politicians love taking Israeli money.

>>106349816 (OP)
Are they actually bad or failing as some people claim?
I swear 90% of laptops has an Intel processor. Looking at Best Buy, there's 860 laptops with Intel and 134 with AMD chips.

>>106350688
How do people consider any other bailouts any different?

>>106363869
Online or physical?

>>106363869
They're losing a lot of money because vertically integrated companies are incredible when they fall.

>>106363869
they NEED better longevity - they use crappy chips on the packages etc

>>106363881
Online, but 30 with Intel and 10 with AMD are ready for pick-up in an hour.

>>106350373
Understatement. His existence is a humiliation for the USA and Melania.

>>106363869
>>106363950
that shows intel is dying
back then it seemed almost impossible to find any good laptop with amd

>>106360842
No retard it’s the jews almost every shill thread is them

>>106363707
if I dont see people coming to the polls in the next midterms and voting out anyone who is Israel shill, we're lost.

>>106363989
Celestial has entered the chat

>>106363887
if oled displays added mirror technology the owner area could be a little framed mirror

>>106349826
>now

TRUMP DID THIS
IMPEACH TRUMP
IMPEACH TRUMP
IMPEACH TRUMP
TRANS! RIGHTS! ARE! HUMAN! RIGHTS!!!

>>106349892
>Honeywell
Every corporation that moves to Charlotte turns to shit. Also see Cedar Fair

>>106364443
why would that be do you reckon

>>106349826
Intel was always shit

>>106364449
because they all move there to escape taxes and litigation. Honeywell fled to Charlotte from the northeast specifically because they were being sued to shit in state courts up there.

>>106364453
my fucking sides, is that true? is this "get woke go broke" in action?

>>106364476
companies who do this tell on themselves that they get infinite loan money without merit

TRUMP SEMICONDUCTOR

>>106349934
jewish hegemony

>>106364476
they're all woked actually

why?

because who can say Deuteronomy is moral vs the current me too believe all women rules and let gays live etc.

so all goes jeet-woked and nobody will quit funding the war machines in the mideast

>>106361829
These people don't care