Thread 106365425

Actually Good Topre Edition

Previous: >>106266925

>Keyboard recommendation template:
https://pastebin.com/n220xk9V

>Find vendors
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list // Up-to-date list of reputable vendors with brief descriptions
https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com // Tracker for current and upcoming keycap group buys

>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!
https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you know how)

>Learn about Cherry MX switches
https://rentry.org/mkg_switches // Introductory guide
https://www.theremingoat.com // Switch reviews
https://www.switchesdb.com // Compare force curves

>Split and non-standard layout resources
https://compare.splitkb.com
https://keyboard-design.com

>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound?
https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet)

>Practice typing
https://monkeytype.com
https://www.keybr.com
https://thetypingcat.com
https://play.typeracer.com

>How Cherry switches do backlighting, and why it's not ideal
https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight

I love buckle-spring.

I love topre

been using a ducky one 2 sf for nearly 5 years now. what's the best wireless 65% right now?

>>106316125
split ergo hall effect keyboard recommendations pls. it looks like all my options are diy and i would like some pointers it being my first foray

>>106365425 (OP)
best keyboard for wet feet?

>>106365549
printer giving the ick rn

>>106365492
>>106365527
I love both.

nth for black & white boards

>>106366277
This cable ruins everything.

>>106365425 (OP)
can I ask for recommendations on Hall Effect keyboards here?
does anyone know of an affordable option that just works?
will purchasing from AliExpress or Taobao

>>106366419
RIP keyboard

>>106366277
this, except the inverse

I love Cherry MX

>>106365549
if cannonkeys is still offering the Photon that seems like a good one

>>106367231
Sexy!

>>106367231
Soulless dead white color.

>>106367835
it's functional and clean.

Best wireless hall effect on the market? Worth it being wireless or some reason you should stick to cable?
ISO+TKL or smaller

Or should I just wootingmaxx

>>106367892
Ancient garbage that belong to a trash bin.

>>106368087
deadass fr fr no cap

>Budget
1500 SEK (~$156 USD)
>Location (continent at least)
Sweden
>Preferred switch type
Tactile
>Layout
ANSI US
>Form factor
TKL
>Backlight
Per-key RBG, I guess. No real preference but would like some backlight.

Preferably I would like something hot-swappable.

>>106368218
I would never recommend a Keychron TKL but I honestly don't know what else to say with these requirements. Hopefully some Euro anon can give you a better recc

>>106366277
I don't get the legendless keycaps
I don't think I'll ever be able to touch type all the symbols and the shift layer well enough to just get rid of it

>>106368064
Monsgeek fun60 or M1 v5
They're tmr which means they're like the top tier HE boards but with power draw good enough to run them wireless

>>106368737
Fun60 tmr or m1 v5 tmr specifically since they also sell non tmr models

I fucking love my keyboard

>>106369021
Yeah the K120 is just the best

>>106368703
no worries, thanks. i've looked at keychron but heard too many bad experiences

does anybody have kiiboom switches? are they any good?

>>106369552
It's a Dell L100, but the K120 is also goated

>>106365425 (OP)
sup
i'm looking for a wireless keyboard with tactile switches, any recommendations?

i really like logitech g pro x 60, but i don't want to pay $200 for a keyboard

ty in advance

>Budget
Less than 100USD, cheaper the better
>Location
Singapore
>Switch
Tactile
>Layout
Ansi US
>Form factor
65%
>Backlight
Would like some rgb, especially backlight

Must be hot swappable

>>106370619
buy any cheap aliexpress hotswap kit
add clone holy panda switches + keycaps of your choice
enjoy

Speaking of Ali hotswap kits

>Budget
$150-180
>Location
Poland
>Preferred switch type
Tactile
>Layout
ANSI US
>Form factor
Bog standard 100% ANSI
>Backlight
Not necessary

Any chances I can find in this budget:
-a 104-key hotswap base that'll have standard Num/Caps/Scroll LED's, NKRO, QMK/VIA
-a good set of tactile switches (I'm on MX Browns so ig anything will do but I'd like to go nice not super cheap)
-a set of Cherry/OEM profile WoB keycaps that stays true to Model M legends and doesn't experiment with crap like numpad division/multiply keys

Ideally I'd avoid 108-key bases even if I'd like the extra macro keys due to making the status LED's a bit trickier to add, needing an RGB backlight base and having to look for windowed top row profile keycaps and those are hard to find due to being niche.

>>106368714
Partly it's because the dactyl isn't exactly a standard board, and being programmable means there are a lot of different keymaps for it. So it's impossible to cover everything with a set with legends.

>>106371298
They still default to being 60% though
Dactyls use ortho keycaps anyway

>>106371338
Ortho keycaps don't include the 1.5u keycaps I need last I checked. Hell if they did it'd make getting sets for them much easier.

>>106371187
tysm, looks good

>>106370517
good minus the clear ones

>>106371282
>Bog standard 100%
not in "mechanical keyboards" it's not

>>106372584
Right, I forgot that I'm never going to get an actual recommendation here. My bad for bothering to ask.

Goys, how do I build a 2.4ghz wireless keyboard? Like this right here:
https://pandakb.com/products/keyboard-kit/corne-w-2-4g-wireless-mx-split-keyboard/
I don't want bluetooth for its latency. But I can't find a tutorial which explains which MCU to get and what not to have a 2.4ghz + usb receiver solution.

>>106373245
>cr2032
the latency will be utter shite with whatever glacial polling rate this thing has to have to support it

>>106365425 (OP)
Guys HELP what am I doing wrong here?

Just learning to use vial. I downloaded the JSON from EPOMAKER's website and after sideloading it, vial tells me "Unsupported Protocol Version" and I seemingly can't configure my new keyboard :S

What am I doing wrong?

>>106373650
Huh, OK. Anyhow, I can fit a 2000mah lipo battery in my dactyl too (in each half, that is). Currently I am running wired ProMicros with QMK. I would rather keep wired than aquire latency, but it sounds like 2.4ghz should be as good as wired.

>>106371955
nice, i think ill get the matcha ones

i just want the feature set of a G710+ but new.

Any recommendations for deep cleaning a keyboard? I want to get it as close to factory new as possible. I know how to take off the keycaps, and I can do the basic stuff, but I'm not sure if there are better tools or cleaners for cleaning the keycaps or getting in between the switches or whatever.

>>106374948
Brushes, blasting it with air, there's also that goop stuff for getting out dust, haven't used it myself though so can't say how well it works.

G815 it is then. im blaming you for all my future problems.

>Budget
Preferably under $200 but flexible
>Location
USA
>Switch
MX Brown or similar
>Layout
US ANSI
>Form Factor
100%, 95% acceptable
>Backlight
Not really a concern. Most likely if it has a backlight I'll just set it to solid white or blue at low intensity.

I don't really need fancy stuff like QMK or hot-swap switches. I don't even really want something wireless, I'd prefer if it was wired. I just want something that is simple, looks nice, has a metal frame, and will last a long time. It'll be replacing an old DK4 Pro that I love, but am repurposing.

>>106375125
I guess that's it.
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/filco-majestouch-3

>>106375981
Just looked at filco's pcb. Holy cow, it has a superior design. You can easily turn it into QMK programmable keyboard using hoof mod or cheap 5$ arduino board and wires from aliexpress.

>>106376017
Having the MCU on a separate PCB is pretty ancient design. Leopold did it too IIRC.

>>106376051
Looks like leopold has mcu on a pcb.

>>106376054
Depends on the model I guess. I have seen third party leopold controllers before.

Want to convert my novatouch into 60% topre but seller only has a pcb for it or assembled keyboards and doesn't have a plate.
What a fucking bloody basterd!

Any recommendations for new mechanical keyboards that look like they're straight out of the 90s? Preferably under AU$200.

>>106376219
Why would someone in sane mind want something like this?

>>106376231
I want it for my retro PC setup.

>>106376249
Retro keycaps will turn any keyboard into retro.

>>106376219
unicomp model Ms or model F repros...but they're well above 200 AUD...

>>106376282
Not when the case isn't beige.

>>106376286
Ducky Origin Vintage PBT fits my budget, are they alright?

Pic related have been a great experience. I actually own both, but I'm back to using the Raise 2 (I had an original Raise years ago) as I've not quite gotten used to the columnar layout of the Deft or its closest relative the Moonlander. Raise2 also lets you just plain use the thing as a single board connected together if you wish to get used to learning to type split if you've never done so before.

Both the Defy and Raise2 I got with all the optional upgrades - wireless (bluetooth and 2.4ghz both. Wired remains an option too), tenting (a pretty comprehensive solution with lots of options for stability), and underbody lighting (backlighting is standard on the keys, underlighting is the least necessary feature but it can still be pretty useful as there are like 16 zones or something on each side. I've used them for layer indication, temperature or other metrics on hardware etc), and the native Linux support for the config shit and firmware is nice too. They seem to keep it updated with reasonable frequency and new features etc. Raise2 has some little expansion ector that can be used for additional upgrades kinda like the UHK; none are official yet but some user created mods are neat.

>>106376331
honestly i dunno, i went straight from cheapo rubber dome to the model f. but the ducky seems like a decent board from the reviews i can find, unless someone else here can comment on it

>>106376219
The keychrons

>>106376331
if this looks "straight out of the 90s" for you then just get whatever chink slop is available in beige

>>106367231
Still waiting to give money to whoever makes a PS/2 SSK first.

>>106376660
there's a converter available, but it sits between the PC and the keyboard unfortunately.
https://retrohackshack.com/product/hidman-usb-keyboard-converter/

>>106376742
I don't want a converter. I want a native PS/2 keyboard plugged into a native PS/2 port on the motherboard.

I'm pretty happy with my grey badge M, but a modern SSK, especially a capacitive one, would be perfection.

>>106376636
>if this looks "straight out of the 90s" for you
I'm not saying it does, but it's the closest I found in my budget. If you know of something better, by all means anon, post it.

>>106376523
I prefer how the Ducky looks over the K10 and the K10 doesn't come with blue switches as an option.

>>106376219
Multix 104 VIA (Autumn)
https://vortexgear.store/products/multix-104-via

>>106376803
you and me both. the guy that made the leyden jar controller appears to have created schematics or pics of a ps/2 daughterboard for the repros, but i think it's still in its very early stages
https://github.com/mymakercorner/Leyden_Jar

>>106376954
Yeah, you already told me about this.

The Classic Style FSSK with PS/2 sounds like endgame material to me. Especially if it was made to look like >>106367231

does anyone know some switches that sound similar to the gateron silver pro's

>>106377165
No. Even God himself doesn't know.
Why do you ask such questions?

>>106377271
i like the noise but its too sensitive for me.... your reply was funny tho lol. might just buy some random 75% and replace the switches when i get it

>>106372618
If I had some idea of a keyboard that would fit your requirements I would have replied with it. When you get nothing but a dismissive reply it's because nobody can think of one.

I can think of keyboards that almost fit these requirements, but:
- 108-key is way more popular than 104, and the handful of 104-key boards I can think of mostly aren't QMK/VIA
- tactile switch offerings are unusual, and you don't have the budget to replace the switches

I have spent a lot of time searching for nearly identical requests. Maybe I'm just forgetting or missing something, but I'm sorry, I have come up empty-handed. 104-key is not "bog standard" in mechanical keyboard world, though I wish it were.

>>106377866
In which case 108 is the next best bet. Like I said, option #2 would be a 108-key base with south facing RGB backlighting and QMK/VIA. I turn off the backlight except for the three of the four macro keys, assigning them to status LED's. Then the issue becomes finding three 1u R1 window keycaps like picrel, as well as one blank 1u R1 keycap since in my experience they're borderline impossible to find on Ali.

Another option would be windowed keycaps for Caps Lock, Num Lock and Scroll Lock, but there's like only two of those and they'll be inconsistent with every keycap set so I think the macro key route is the saner one.

I can only assume that there's no way in hell I'll be able to complete an entire set of base+switches+keycaps within this budget, and getting a pre-assembled keyboard, then trying to unfuck it with keycaps is wasteful, so let's say that the budget bracket for the whole DIY set is $190-300. What would be my options then? Also, are the Holy Pandas or whatever still the meme meta of tactile switches or is there something else worth looking into?

>>106378198
>Also, are the Holy Pandas or whatever still the meme meta of tactile switches or is there something else worth looking into?
I'm not the one to ask, I prefer MX Browns over all that ultra-tactile bullshit. As far as I know the meme is still the Gazzew Boba U4T, manufactured by Outemu, which surpassed the Holy Panda a while ago.

The good news is there is a keycap set which meets your requirements, but not for 108. So if there's a suitable 104 out there it might all work.
https://deltakeyco.com/en-ca/products/pre-order-dcs-wob

And there is an older Keychron model still available that has indicator LEDs, hot-swap sockets, QMK. So maybe that'll fit the bill.
https://keychron.fr/products/keychron-k10-qmk-wireless-mechanical-keyboard-version-2-us-ansi-layout?variant=40196224680065

I would replace the switches, though.

>>106378580
>The good news is there is a keycap set which meets your requirements
I don't like those funky profiles, I prefer the OEM/Cherry shape.
>And there is an older Keychron model
The one that I despise for having the Win/Mac LED's that you cannot reprogram and no Scroll Lock LED. Fuck Keychron I hope they choke on Tim Cook's cock. They do not have a single board that would fit the bill. Except the Q6 if I were to find those windowed keycaps and a sane set of WoB keycaps, but again, at that point it would be better to just pay 3 times of what I'm aiming for and get a DIY base, swtiches and keycaps all separately.

>>106378641
>I don't like those funky profiles
DCS is just Signature Plastics' version of Cherry lol, it's very similar

>>106378680
They looked way rounder on the top-down view, here they do look acceptable. Pretty damn expensive but fuck me I guess I'll just have to spend like 1500zł on my dream keyboard at this point. Would be cool if Signature Plastics also had those 1u R1 blank LED window keycaps to just make it all uniform on a 108-key base.

>>106378758
Someday a 104-key base should appear. It's a hole in the market waiting to be filled. A lot of retards prefer 108 though, which is frustrating.

>>106378827
Like I said, the biggest issue with 108 is the lack of keycaps, and the fact that they pretty much never get dedicated status LED's. I don't have much problem with four programmable macro keys, I'd probably assign them to F20-F24 and use with AutoHotkey, or not use them at all. 104 with classic status LED's would be more preferred as that alleviates a lot of my woes regarding keycap sourcing.

>>106378758
>Pretty damn expensive
I'd have liked to say Swagkeys WoB or something but everyone's doing the multiply/divide keys now. And WoB means double-shot is basically a necessity (unless you want pad printed caps lol) so there's going to be a lot less variety out there

Also worth checking out is of course GMK:
https://www.gmk.net/shop/en/gmk-cyl-wob-white-on-black/fptk5008

and as for the cheap stuff, Ducky's OEM caps aren't beautiful but they do have the * / keys
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/ducky-108-key-pbt-seamless-doubleshot-keycap-set-phantom

and you can always take a chance on Aliexpress knockoffs, though I doubt their black will look dark enough:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008613742897.html

>>106378946
>everyone's doing the multiply/divide keys now
I'd gladly rip off the nuts of the faggot that started that trend. I'm sure that no programmer is going to use those keys for code comments or anything and no one uses the numpad anyways so let's turn them into math symbols cuz it's liek a calculator LAWL

I don't know what kind of fluoride overdose makes people so hesitant to ape 1:1 what the IBM Model M, or any Cherry keyboard, or any bog standard office keyboard for that matter had for the legends and put it on double shot WoB keycaps, but it's really fucking infuriating.
>Also worth checking out is of course GMK
The fullsize base set costs more than the Signature Plastics one lmfao, yeah I'll just have to eat the premium price one way or the other to have what I want.

>>106376331
LUV ME BEIGE

>>106376219
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003364462523.html
NCR80 case,
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004124258598.html
Shenpo dye-sub keycaps,
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004305414136.html
gateron yellow switches (90)

estimated total $219 AUD. You will have to solder the switches to the PCB, and if you want the indicators to work you'll have to buy the LEDs for that (they're cheap and soldering them is pretty simple). This will be a perfectly good retro-style keyboard similar to the old Cherry G80, but you get modern features like QMK firmware/etc.

Budget: ~$150
Location: US
Form Factor: 100%, bigger is better
Wired (No wireless)

I have a Redragon board that isn't cutting it because it's too small. I need space in front of the spacebar.

>>106381385
Monsgeek M5 wired only

I can't tolerate Gateron Melodics anymore

>>106380285
just looking at that makes me feel like an old person at a casino

Any numpad recommendations?
Preferably bluetooth. Preferably hot swap or preinstalled silent switches.
Need one to play d**mrl and cataclysm on a laptop at work.

>>106378198
>are the Holy Pandas or whatever still the meme meta of tactile switches
Newest meme is probably this which uses a sort of click leaf similar to the Melodic (for tactility) but the top housing suppresses the click somehow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0mNWbWp4Xc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utd0pwatE50

There's also a new HMX tactile, but I haven't heard anything about it and I don't really like HMX much. Boba U4T is still popular.

>>106379947
Interesting, it looks good but it seems like a fair bit of work.
This thing is on winter sale and comes as a complete kit https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006325326262.html and I could just swap in some blues instead, thoughts?

>>106382903
>thoughts?
It's an unknown. I don't think it's QMK programmable. Most of the people who've bought them are in Asia so I haven't heard much about them, though I've wondered about it before. It's stuffed full of foam so you'd have to remove some of that for it to sound acceptable with clicky switches.

>>106382941
I don't care about programming it, as long as it works as a regular keyboard I'm happy.
>though I've wondered about it before
Fuck it, guess I'll be a guinea pig and give it a try.

>>106382979
good luck

I actually like the smooth and soft feeling of ABS keycaps, double shot PBT keycaps feel too sharp and abrasive from the ones I tried.

Maube I just need to find a better profile.

build me a qmk/via keyboard with a 123-key matrix

>>106383644
>I actually like the smooth and soft feeling of ABS keycaps, double shot PBT keycaps feel too sharp and abrasive from the ones I tried.
The "feel" is from the mould, it is not an innate property of the plastic. The only thing really different about ABS and PBT is that they present different challenges in manufacturing, ABS wears faster, and ABS yellows over time (especially with sun exposure).

can i just say i got the evo80 based on someone's recommendation from here and while I love it a lot, I have kind of no clue how to configure it. apparently I have to go to some website and the evo80 is not listed on there as supported?
I just want to maybe lessen or turn off the backlight on the keyboard.

>>106385283
You need to upload this json to the via webpage I think
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0508/8716/4061/files/EVO80_0924.JSON

>>106385472
oh yeah thanks. that was probably it.

>>106380285
Looks cool!

hi 4gpt what are some good metal frame tenkeyless

>>106387113
KBD8x

>>106383660
Here you go, start from top to bottom:
https://keyboard-layout-editor.com/
https://www.keyboardcad.com/
https://kbfirmware.com/

where do i buy good blank keycaps

>>106376977
o rite. at its current rate, it's probably going to be one of those things we're interested in, then forget about until a few years later when we suddenly think about it again and see that it's available for purchase/use

>>106387149
looks nice actually thanks anon

>>106376331
I bought this exact keyboard and it disconnects everytime i reset my pc, it's annoying as hell. I have to re-plug it in for windows to recognise it. I'm sure its on my end but its annoying

I only have 1 mechanical keyboard but i can say it feels like decent quality, its quite heavy but looks really crisp. I got the noisy switches so its sounds good aswell. Only downside outside the disconnecting is that it sits a little high compared to my old keyboard but maybe thats every mechanical keyboard idk. The spacebar is probably 5mm higher than my old keyboard

>>106387890
>have to re-plug it in for windows to recognise it
Doesn't happen with PS/2 keyboards.

>>106382244
at the Luxor hotel casino specifically?

What is the slimmest and most compact full sized keyboard (yes I need every button for work reasons) that one can get nowadays? I have a 98 key at home but used a full sized at work. Tired of suffering the laptop keypad and want something different + I'm transitioning over to a fully remote/on call work that has to travel the CONUS
Thanks lads
>Budget: Within $300

>>106387558
Aliexpress

>>106380285
I don't like it. If you are doing egyptian your might as well be more authentic to the theme aside from over-designed keycap graphics like the scarabs and annubis

>>106387240
kek

>>106374948
ultrasonic cleaner

https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B0CT4ZNBQ8?smid=A11JRM1AO20W6L&th=1

what do u guys think

>>106387890
>maybe thats every mechanical keyboard idk
Some keyboards are shallower than others; but it's true that there's a sort of minimum height you can achieve while using Cherry MX switches. Still, a properly low front height is a nice feeling and some boards do it better.

>>106365425 (OP)
wat r the best tactile creamy switches??

>>106389918
>>106387113
You just missed the window on DK1-TKL, not sure what the best one rn is. Neo80 is an OK board at a good price.

>>106390083
Cherry MX Brown.

>want to resolder a cherry mx red keyboard with gaterons
>the giant led bulbs go through the cherry switches
how do i resolve this

>>106390338
Your gaterons don't have holes for the LEDs to slip through?

>>106390087
tagged epomaker guy by accident. Sorry.

YUNZII B75 Pro Cocoa V2 Switch for 60 euro.
Yes/No?

>>106388159
Come on faggots
Suggest a keyboard that meets my criteria

>>106391566
Why not the AL75

>>106388159
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/keychron-b6-pro?variant=49159077921068

I don't know how slim things can get but people like this one.

>>106381385
mechanicalkeyboards has a bunch in that area, filco leopold etc. Or you could get a Keychron

>>106390338
>wants to replace his broken in cherries with gaterons
seppuku

You don't hate "the mechanical keyboard community" enough. You think you do, but you don't.

>>106365425 (OP)
>/mkg/ Advice Template v2 Oct 6th, 2020
is anything in the OP relevant for recs or do I just gotta ask here?
looking for some basic bitch keyboard with a numpad to replace my membrane logitech that I have used for 15y+. I need to be able to press more than 3 keys at one time and I would say my budget is ~$50 but that's negotiable because the only context is that I bought this one for $20 or less so my standards are minimal at best.
>Budget
$50?
>Location (continent at least)
US
>Preferred switch type
???
>Layout
has all the keys I guess?
>Form factor
what
>Backlight
no that's stupid
>Previous/current keyboards
>

>$30 Amazon Basics shit
>$30 Microsoft trash
>$30 Logitech junk
>$30 Cherry ewaste
>$30 Dell slop
>$30 HP pile
how the FUCK am I supposed to differentiate between any of these

>>106397213
That's the neat part, you don't.

>>106396968
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-c2-pro-8k-qmk-via-wired-mechanical-keyboard
This one's a little over your budget and I don't like that it's hotswap, but it mostly fits the bill: 8k polling, nkro, cheap, full-size. I'd get browns or reds for the switches, browns will be closer to what you're familiar with since they're a little bit tactile. Avoid bananas, if they're anything like the gateron jupiter bananas they may have switch bounce problems.

I'm not very familiar with the low-end market

>>106397533
(also the backlight can be turned off)

>>106382903
I have the tenkeyless version. It's alright. Doesn't use QMK/VIA/VIAL and that sucks, but I really only need programming for 60% builds anyway.

>>106382903
Oh this is also an option https://novelkeys.com/products/classic-tkl-keyboard?variant=45924107059367

The LED bar can be disabled and this uses VIA. I have one in black and like it. Need to provide your own stabilizers.

>>106396968
Just have a look on marketplace/craigslist for something that you like the look of

>>106397533
looks good to me and that gives me some context at the very least, thank you.

>>106397533
>>106397563
>I'm not very familiar with the low-end market
what's the expected price range on a new keyboard in anyway? are there any decent brands I can look at on aliexpress? I have bought other chinkshit there in the past with no issues

>>106397774
>what's the expected price range on a new keyboard in anyway?
I don't know, I'm a retard who buys $300 aluminum things and puts cherry browns and $100 keycaps on them

>>106397780
>I'm a retard who buys $300 aluminum things and puts cherry browns and $100 keycaps on them
damn, there is quite the range on keyboard prices. well then, I know I don't want to spend that much

>>106365425 (OP)
>not a single vendor on the OP vendor link has a 100% option
>everything else is sold out anyway
what the actual fuck? do keyboard enthusiasts with real jobs just buy vintage stuff?

>>106398419
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/collections/full-size-keyboards

There were some full-size boards over the past year, just none right now. Bowl Pangea. Vertex Intro S100. Vertex Seal. And that's not counting things like the Class 1800, which did have just as many keys as a regular full-size.

There's also boards like the Zoom98 which come very close to full-size.
https://cannonkeys.com/products/zoom98-keyboard
(That stupid screen is optional, you can put two keys there instead.)

I'm sure we'll get more at some point soon.

>>106398463
okay, yeah I meant for build kits. been rocking a Leopold FC900R for 5 years and thought it would be cool to do a more custom build. I didn't realize the market was this bad, I'm assuming because of the tariffs? only knew about mechanicalkeyboards, so was excited to check out all the vendor links, and was a little let down

>>106398419
>what the actual fuck? do keyboard enthusiasts with real jobs just buy vintage stuff?
Pretty much, yes. The ultimate black pill is that the best keyboards available is vintage.

>>106398419
Do you still try to compensate something? Get over it, grampa.

Lets say i am looking for a keyboard
120€ budget
What are some options? Numpad not absolute necessary, wireless welcome
Switches whatever, mainly doing gaming on the PC.
Ideally in ANSI

>budget
$155 AUD / $100 USD
>location
australia
>switch
linear
>form factor
exploded 75%
>backlight / rgb
dont care

>>106387240
I don't think I would be able to masturbate without feeling concious of that thing on my keyboard

>>106398496
>I'm assuming because of the tariffs?
nope, demand and style are the drivers. The vast majority of people in this hobby barely use their keyboards for anything, or only a few keys. Its mostly about fashion now, and thus caters to women and gays.

>>106401103
I think that would help with breaking my teenage masturbation addiction for good. It inspires me to do better.

should I get aula f108 or keychron v6 max? I have a redragon with blue switches and want to get something wireless and maybe better that lives . what do i get

>>106390380
It's not that, I just don't know if I will be able to use LEDs with them if the keyboard comes with switches that have LED bulbs poking through them like this.

>>106401825
i would get teh aula. i have the f99 and i love it. although i do recommend u get different switches and keycaps, but maybe u wont need to

>>106365549
Any idea how to stop doing this posture

>>106400058
https://www.monsgeek.com/product/m1-v5-via-rapid-disassembly/

>>106402516
top of screen at eye level
screen at arm's length away from you
feet flat on floor
front of chair mustn't be too long that you end up pulling yourself forward and away from the back rest
arms by your sides and elbows bent at 90 degree angle, forearms ideally parallel to each other and not sitting at outward angles

>>106402516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP4j1KyKRjE

>>106401911
the LED is separate from the switch, you desolder and remove it first then change out the switch, finally you reinsert and resolder the LED. I've done this myself on the numlock on my Brutal V2 1800, it's pretty straightforward

>>106399504
Don't post your ESL gibberish on this site again

>>106402715
(if it should happen that the LED is attached to the switch—I don't know if that ever happens—you can simply order new LEDs; they're not expensive)

>>106402767
It's hilariously ESL, but it's not gibberish

>>106402715
I noticed the LED is separate from the switch, what I was just worried about is whether or not on some of these older keyboards using SMD LEDs that go through those older Cherry MX switches will let me resolder them if I use any other switch without just straight up getting aftermarket sockets or something crap that I haven't learned about yet. Especially since this is not an RGB keyboard, single light only. It uses 3mm LEDs I think. The cherry switches are not like the modern type that have LEDs bult in, the LEDs are wired though holes in the switches to the PCB inside. I don't know if I can just grab off the shelf Cherry switches from today or Gateron switches and just replace them because of that.

>>106365425 (OP)
>Budget
Under 100€ preferred but I'm flexible up to 150€ if I really like it.
>Location (continent at least)
Finland
>Preferred switch type
I've had Cherry MX Brown for the past 9 years, and I'd like something lighter and quieter. Linear or tactile are good.
>Layout
Nordic
>Form factor
TKL/75% or smaller as long as it has F keys.
>Backlight
I want the ability to toggle the lights on/off with a button press if it even has backlights. Other than that, doesn't matter.
>Previous/current keyboards
Razer Blackwidow 2013-2016 (got too loud)
Logitech G610 2016-today (he's tired but has served me well)
>Notes
I want it to be white or pink (or both), and for it to have replaceable keycaps.
Thank you clickety anons!

>>106402951
>The cherry switches are not like the modern type that have LEDs bult in
I'm not sure what you mean by "the modern type". This is the newest Cherry MX2A line of switches and you can see the through-holes for inserting a separate LED.

>>106403544
Many switches will have this hole, which is standard. The only ones that won't will be switches that have a light diffuser for channeling light from LEDs on the PCB upwards, or which for reasons unknown simply close off the front of the switch (e.g. Gateron Type R). These are very easy to see in switch pictures, so just look carefully before buying. E.g. it's easy to tell that a Gateron Quinn would work fine, but a Gateron Baby Kangaroo would not.

I got a Realforce 104UW. Never tried topre so this will be the first. Looking forward to giving it a spin

>>106403544
>I'm not sure what you mean by "the modern type"
I figured that they didn't make switches with that kind of cutout for SMD LEDs anymore, but if that's still the case then that is good. It's just that I see keyboards with switches like pic related (what I'm trying to figure out if it would be compatible or not should I resolder these old Cherry MX switches in addition to current Cherry switches) these days in stores and they don't have "bulbs" for LEDs like on these older keyboards. So I'm guessing that there must be some distinction between RGB and non-RGB LED and non-LED switches.

>>106403660
>So I'm guessing that there must be some distinction between RGB and non-RGB LED and non-LED switches.
I've never seen a formal designation but you can tell by glancing at them that some have through-holes and some have diffusers.

The through-hole with an LED produces a superior light for indicators and such, so many enthusiast boards still do LEDs this way and I don't expect that to change; but RGB boards with LEDs on the PCB are very common, so diffusers are common also, especially on meme switches aimed at lowest-common-denominator buyers.

In short, there are many options for both styles and neither one is rare. The diffuser will make it impossible to install your LED, so don't use those switches on any key where you need an LED.

>>106376375
the price of that shit xD not even concave holy ass you might as well get a keychron for 180. go advertise elsewhere

>>106403544
Looks like the newest Cherry MX Silent Red on the website also has this same hole.

>>106403660
https://www.amazon.com/GATERON-Milky-Red-Pro-KS-3X1/dp/B0CW623D9Q
https://www.amazon.com/GATERON-Keyboard-Through-Hole-Compatible-Mechanical/dp/B0CW576BT1?th=1
Looks like Gateron's milky switches are compatible with through-hole LEDs.

>>106404470
If you want the fanciest linear Gateron you can get that's still no-gimmicks with the classic through-hole and all:
https://cannonkeys.com/products/gateron-x-switch
Not sure if lubed or unlubed is better. I've heard it's so smooth that some lubes just make it worse.

>pick up an old keyboard
>the spacebar, backspace, enter, shift, and num0 keys sound like sewing machines integrated into a typewriter
Oh hell yes. What are some good resources on stopping stabilizers from being noise makers and actually securing them in place so they don't rattle or wobble?

I want a mechanical keyboard for programming, where commonly used keys are more accessible, and preferably multiple super keys. Is my only option to get a keyboard that supports QMK/VIA and just reprogram keys, or are there programmer-oriented mechanical keyboards? Also, why shouldn't I get an 80% keyboard plus a number pad I can leave out of the way? Any recommendations?

Split keyboard costs like a bajillion
Should i opt for low profiles instead?

>>106407676
Depends on what you mean by a bajillion. I could build you a dactyl for $300, give or take. Cheaper if you just want the parts to build it yourself. Same rule generally applies for other split boards.

>>106407676
The low profile board I started with is a Keebio Iris CE, I bought it as a kit and added my own switches which totaled up to $260, but putting it together was super easy because everything is ready to go with hotswap and its already flashed with QMK/VIA. Next I built a Dactyl from the dude above (who helped me out with a bunch of stupid questions), which totaled up to $155 with switches I got on amazon, but I did choose to build it myself to save money. I already had a 3d printer and soldering iron to work with. Dactyl is really nice, I like having more keys to work with and the keywells are super comfy. If you wanted to just test out if you even like splits there are some super cheap ones on aliexpress, but I can't personally speak on the quality of them.

>>106407697
you keep posting those things and keep offering to build them, but does anyone actually care?

>>106408220
Shut up fag, some people like them (not me)

>>106390338
>>106401911
Switch sockets
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007656106891.html
LED sockets
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32622320922.html
I only used the led sockets because the pcb uses bipolar 3mm. Depending on the switches you can replace the 3mm led with a better fitting 2x3x4mm led that fits under the switch top housing and solder thm directly to the board.

>>106408220
Yea I've built dactyls for a number of anons here.

I've tried so much shit that isn't browns and every time it ends up driving me mental. Browns are the only thing I can really tolerate in the long term.

>>106408377
This is the unfortunate reality of being a keyboard enthusiast. I have seen too many people who stay with MX who eventually just stick to stock, especially stuff like brown. It goes from:
>brown is the WORST switch!
to
>why is brown the ONLY good tactile switch!

I am a clickyfag so box navy is my go to compared to standard blue as it is a straigh up upgrade, but even linearfags eventually go back to stock red or black linears if not silent reds. Cherry's original line up is a staple for a reason.

>>106407697
>>106408195
the problem is that i'm a turd worlder who makes no more than $100 a month and there's just so much bills

Are better switches even worth it?

These hot swappable switches, are they brand-specific (e.g. I can only use Kailh switches on this keyboard) or are they universal? In any case, what switch will give me a typewriter kind of feel? I assume Cherry Blues, if they're compatible?

>>106408226
fuck off, i asked a question

>>106408250
i see

>>106410489
yes mx hotswap is universal with mx switches
>typewriter
lmao. boards with solenoids are probably much closer to actual typewriters than atrocities like pic-related that you probably saw shilled on social media.

Making this general also discuss mouse would be gucci

>>106408377
Browns used to get memed on for being 'scratchy linears' and more unjustly when the covid keyboard ecelebs further proliferated that lie to enthusiasts and noobs alike and de-popularized light tactiles for years only for enthusiasts to return to cherry like >>106410108 points out

>>106365425 (OP)
>Budget
~$100
>Location
Europe
>Preferred switch type
I've never used a mechanical keyboard before, from what I read, something tactile and silent
>Layout
I'm using ANSI right now, but I think I've used ISO in the past, so I might be alright with that too.
>Form factor
100%
>Backlight
No backlight, as little light as possible.
>Previous/current keyboards
Logitech k120. I generally like it, especially considering the price, but the keys feel a bit wobbly, and can get too loud, especially when typing fast. I'm also thinking about switching to wireless.

>>106410441
Can be. Cheap switches can have tolerances all over the place.

>>106411677
>tactile and silent under $100 full-size in Europe
99% sure this doesn't exist.

>>106411756
How much higher would i have to go and what are the options then?

>>106411775
You would have to buy the keyboard and the switches separately to get what you want, I think. So spend $80-100 on the keyboard and probably another $40-60 on switches.

>>106411969
Actually I'm looking at it and maybe you can get everything you need for under 100.

E.g.,
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007554856075.html
110 of these cheaper Outemu silent tactiles, and
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008360269526.html
this hotswap 100% board

The keycaps are kind of ugly but you could replace them with e.g. Shenpo caps and then the board would look totally normal, e.g.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004418134224.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008217433716.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009217295351.html

>>106412058
and here's another full-size board with hotswap at a similar price point:
https://keychron.de/products/keychron-c2-pro-8k-qmk-wired-custom-mechanical-keyboard

Hey chads,
I recently have started developing wrist and hand pain from the angle my hands have to sit at my retarded normal keyboard, having to stretch for caps (as hyper), shift, ctrl, alt, meta, tab, and escape all with my pinky, and movement over to the arrow keys. But I'm a poor. Whats the cheapest way to go for cheap ergo keyboards? Obviously build it myself. Probably wired, right? And no 3d printed case (or is that worth splurging on)? And tenting? I can do (amateur retarded) woodworking, maybe something custom with wood?

>>106412058
>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007554856075.html
>110 of these cheaper Outemu silent tactiles
That doesn't sound very silent to me https://youtu.be/-4jMKjtt4ZY are all mechanical keyboards like that?
>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008360269526.html
>this hotswap 100% board
Anything without a screen/rgb/a knob, since I won't use that? And in black, preferably.

Another noob question: looking at some videos of mechanical keyboards, the buttons on some of those keyboards seem oddly big compared to k120. Is that really so, or is it just the issue of angles or those couple reviewers having small hands?

>>106412364
>That doesn't sound very silent to me
How high did you turn your volume

>>106412362
>Whats the cheapest way to go for cheap ergo keyboards?
Look up "Alice Layout" on Aliexpress

>>106412434
About to where a video with someone talking has roughly the same volume you'd hear when talking irl.

>>106412364
>the buttons on some of those keyboards seem oddly big compared to k120
Most mechanical keyboards do have keycaps a little taller than what's common on rubber dome membrane boards, but some keycaps are shallower. E.g. https://cannonkeys.com/products/pbs-black-on-white

>Anything without a screen/rgb/a knob
"Without rgb"? You know it can be turned off, no?

Screens and knobs, I get it. I don't like them either. But tight budgets mean compromises.

>And in black, preferably.
Black presents some unique problems for cheap keyboards, namely
1. You can't achieve a good white-on-black keycap with the cheaper production methods like dye-sub. Your options are really either pad-printing (cheap but frowned-upon as an inferior method because the printed legends will rub off) or double-shot (expensive to do well).
2. Cheaply-made black boards and keycaps tend to not be dark enough, which makes them look extra cheap

Anyway Keychron has some probably.

>>106412496
Why on earth would that help you determine the correct volume for a different video?

>>106412364
>are all mechanical keyboards like that?
Click and Thock is great but he makes silent switches sound very loud lol, I don't know what it is about his mic settings but you can see people bitch at him in the comments of his silent switch reviews

Same switch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY42YRZAF-c

Can someone explain the difference between these two switch variants?

>>106412638
5-pin is the standard these days, it has two extra plastic pins on the bottom for alignment and fit in the PCB, and this is really important for e.g. plateless builds.

Some ancient PCBs don't have slots for those pins, though, and will only accept 3-pin. The pins can be cut off if necessary, so it's not really a disaster if you accidentally buy 5-pins. And most boards have plates so 3-pin is usually fine too. But 5-pin is better most of the time.

>>106412526
Even if the rgb can be turned off (thank god) In my mind, the fact that smth extra is there makes me think I paid for it, so I always assume that a version with lights/screens/knobs is more expensive than the one without it.
I don't care much about the legend, I generally don't look at the keyboard while typing (unless I type in a language using different character symbols, which I'm not used to, but then I tend to just pop up a virtual keyboard for reference because it's more comfortable than looking down) or I'm looking for some character key I use super rarely, so it wearing off is not really an issue for me. I'd prefer it black mostly so it blends in better with my desk. I guess dark brown or gray would also be fine.
I'll take a look at Keychron.
I used that as a description of my default volume level which I had it on.
>>106412603
Okay now here, I can't hear shit, so that's good.
And looking a the comments here:
>I prefer Outemu Silent Cream Yellow. It is more smooth than Jade because it comes factory lubed.
>But if you want to lube yourself I recommend Jade.
I doubt I'll bother with lubing them myself, so would Outemu Silent Cream Yellow indeed be the better choice? They seem to be very slightly cheaper (~4%).

>>106412466
Thank you :)

>>106412788
>Even if the rgb can be turned off (thank god) In my mind, the fact that smth extra is there makes me think I paid for it,
Almost every cheap keyboard has RGB. If you want to pay more to feel like you saved money... I guess you could...

>would Outemu Silent Cream Yellow indeed be the better choice?
Everything I've seen says the Jade is factory lubed. I have no idea where that commenter got his info but I think he's wrong.

As for black, I'd just take a gamble on some basic WoB knockoffs from aliexpress. E.g.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007234668279.html
Looks OK in the user reviews, put that on a Keychron and it'll blend in just fine on the desk.

I fucking love my keyboard

>>106413424
I'm perpetually dissatisfied with mine. Which one do you have?

>>106413435
F1-8X V2 this shit is properly gonna be my heirloom keyboard

>>106413454
Are you the guy who has black/red?

>>106413463
That's not me, I have purple/black and silver/gray

>Budget
$60 - $150 USD
>Location (continent at least)
Belize
>Preferred switch type
Browns
>Layout
100% or 96% with girthy zero numpad
>Form factor
Full-sized
>Backlight
White
>Previous/current keyboards
Previous (1st) and current ArgomTech mechanical-"like" membrane keyboards. picrel current.

I'd want to go up to at least $200 but shipping to my area is so expensive that even $150 would be pushing it.
I've been looking at the keychron C2 Pro, but I'm wondering if there's a wireless option in this price range, preferably from amazon, since it's cheapest for me to get it thru there via drop-shippers.

>>106413729
fucked up and completely forgot what layout means
My previous was ISO, but I prefer ANSI (
shown in the aforementioned picture)

>>106413476
tell me everything you put on these boards

To low profile, or not to low profile, that is the question.

>>106412852
How did we come to the point in the industry where I have to pay extra for them to NOT put rgb in my shit?
Anyway, I took a look at Keychron, and the cheapest I could find at 100%/hot swappable was V6 Max barebone for $95, so I'd definitely go over budget with that given that the switches are $19 and those keycaps are $25, which while not out of question, makes me wonder whether it's worth it (probably due to the fact that the keyboard I'm used to is $12).
The next one I found was K10 Max Red for $110 (maybe I could get it for a couple bucks cheaper if one discount I had would still be valid and could be used for it, also I could get different switches then, but if I'm swapping them anyway, then not quite sure about the point of it). What's the difference between those models?
BTW Keychron K10 HE Special Edition looks pretty nice, but that one is almost $180 and magnetic switches sound like a gimmick (and louder than those Jade ones).

>>106414812
Magnetic switches also don't have tacile options, keep that in mind.

K10 max has dedicated indicator LEDs, which the V6 max doesn't. (V6 max uses the rgb under the lock keys as indicator lights. They really should make windowed keycaps for their boards if they're going to do that lol)

I believe the K10 max is tray mount, since they don't say anything about the mounting style, whereas the V6 max is gasket mount. I don't think Keychron does all that good a job with the gasket mount and I modded my V6 max's gaskets to be a little firmer and better-placed.

They Keychron V6 max has a polycarbonate plate, whereas the K10 max has a steel plate. Steel plates are a bit out of fashion now but used to be very common; they're a bit hard and springy and tend to make the keyboard sound higher-pitched. Polycarbonate, by contrast, is soft and flexible, and doesn't 'ping' or sound metallic.

K10 max has a silicone insert in the bottom case, which the V6 max does not.

The V6 comes with "Gateron Jupiter" switches, whereas the K10 comes with "Keychron Super" switches. I don't know what the difference there is, but obviously it doesn't matter to you.

The K10 max is almost a pound heavier according to Keychron's listed specs. Maybe that's just from the silicone insert and steel plate.

>>106414208
alu v3 plate
cherry mx orange with geon spring
staebies
gmk regal

alu v1.1 plate
cherry mx black with geon spring
cherry clipins
gmk fuji katakana

They are so good

>>106415317
accent colors or or no accent colors? novelties or no novelties?

>>106412466
alice layout isnt ergo