Thread 106389694

*sigh*, Google will now block side-loading if the developer isn't verified, that means things like f-droid & apps within it will not be able to be installed on android, this just is another move to make android more like iOS.
People using custom roms are not effected as they don't typically have play protect (unless you have GMS "gapps"), FOR NOW.
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/08/elevating-android-security.html
I am REALLY getting tired of security being an argument to take away control of the user.

every fucking day there's some tech thing getting unfathomably worse and every single time absofuckinglutely nobody ever asked for it

>>106389694 (OP)
It's all YOUR fault for giving money to companies that sell unrootable phones. Don't act like you couldn't see this coming.

>>106389741
It has accelerated SO MUCH recently. Is it just me? Was I just not paying attention? But I swear it wasn't like this last year, or the years before that.
I knew it would happen eventually. I'm not that naive. But it seems that the day of the crackdown is upon us. And I hate the government.

>>106389743
It's not all my phones I bought allowed installing other OS which means these can all be rooted if I wanted.

>>106389694 (OP)
Why didn't you stop it?

>>106389694 (OP)
This gets rid of the reVanced faggots for sure. This is what you get, and now all apks will need blessing from Google because of you.

>>106389694 (OP)
Short answer: Mostly false — with important caveats.

What Google announced in that blog post is a set of security measures and pilot programs that restrict certain sideloaded apps under specific conditions (sensitive permissions, some markets/pilots, and during phone calls) and a developer verification/attestation mechanism to reduce fraud. It does not universally "block sideloading" or make all unverified apps impossible to install across Android.

Key points:
- Sideloading (installing APKs outside app stores) remains supported by Android, but Google has added restrictions that can block or limit sideloaded apps that request high-risk permissions (SMS, accessibility, device admin, etc.) or fail integrity/attestation checks in some deployments.
- Some measures are being piloted in specific countries/contexts and applied to protect users from scam flows; they are not a global ban on F-Droid or other alternative app stores.
- F‑Droid itself (and apps installed via app-store-like installers) is generally unaffected when installed/used as an app store; the main impact is on apps delivered directly via browsers/messaging or apps requesting sensitive permissions while sideloaded.
- Device vendors and users still have control: OEMs can implement different policies, and users can often enable alternative app sources or disable some protections (though Google has been tightening friction, e.g., blocking some actions during calls).
- The trend is toward more control/attestation for security, which narrows some of Android’s historical openness — but this is not identical to iOS’s locked model.

>>106389910
>Using AI to answer
>Gaint red herring

>>106389694 (OP)
>You shouldn’t have to choose between open and secure. By engineering security into the core part of the OS, Android has proven that you can have both, and we continue taking new steps in that direction.
i hate that worthless corpospeak, it's not meant to convince, it's meant to tire the reader with text full of meaningless shit. nobody buys your shit,
this is a dev blog, just tell what the fuck you're gonna do to android instead of moralizing your intentions.

>>106390056
>moralizing your intentions.
Sign you are doing something really bad.
>it's all in the name of [insert anything]

>he has a shitdroid
You have no one to blame but yourself

>>106389694 (OP)
ok, but if poople keep making malwares it's obvious they have to add more protection, I'm not against this, just stop making malwares, niggers

>>106389743
>It's all YOUR fault for giving money to companies that sell unrootable phones
no, its the fault of xirs for banning everyone who said sex is immutable so they could ogle millennial chicks on zuckbook

ANDJEETS BTFO

>>106389769
the last 5 months has been more than the last 4 years. covid was crazy but they didn't actually manage to get the diigtal control and everything they wanted whereas now everybody is falling into line.

>>106389769
yes, it's a concentrated effort to increase spying in preparation for a war

>>106390729
Not war in the sense of world war, AI and other shits will make megacorporations too powerful, so the governments and specially the european aristocracy are going for the least subtle power grab ever, and the companies will also respond with more power grab.

>>106390574
They're just getting a step closer to apple.

>>106389694 (OP)
I don't use phones because Snowden and Assange proved the us government commits crimes against humanity by using phones against us. I don't care.

>>106389694 (OP)
die pajeets

stallman was right

>>106389694 (OP)
A secret to all of /g/:
If the FED raises the interest rates, everything will be reversed. Low interest rates are the root of all evil in software (and not just software), including all the wokeness, faggotry and pajeetness on these companies.

Why? Because high interest rates force companies to improve their efficiency and customer service, they become more dependent on consumer paying them for the service and products they provide. It all comes down to FEDs lowering the interest rates absurdly.

As a matter of fact: all big tech companies had record profits on the covid-19 pandemic and started to be "openly evil", and coincidentally, the interest rates were low as hell (0.95%). And even more: Trump administration increased the interest rates, and coincidentally, we saw a massive layoff and they calmed down about the censorship they put on the internet.

Just increase the interest rates and everything will be resolved.

>>106390666
>>106390729
Clearly something is going on. The question is, what do we as individuals do about it? We can look out for ourselves, use older and freer devices and software, congregate on bunker networks, and whatever else. But all of that is just cope and does nothing to slow the enemy's advances.
What can we DO about it? Maybe that won't become clear until it does, in which case, what should we be preparing for? I'm tired of watching everything get worse and feeling powerless and isolated.

>>106391011
>Trump administration increased the interest rates
Explain how?
They have been harassing the fed to lower interest rates

>>106391011
while I agree that low interest rates ruin the economy and innovation, I don't think it's what makes glowies glow.

>>106389694 (OP)
The fucking state of pajeets. The only thing they ever bring up when you ask them whats better than ios is they can sideload apps cause theyre too broke to afford monthly subscriptions or pay for apps. My fucking sides. Iphone is king.

>>106391096
>Clearly something is going on.
Yeah, the interest rates.
>The question is, what do we as individuals do about it? We can look out for ourselves, use older and freer devices and software, congregate on bunker networks, and whatever else. But all of that is just cope and does nothing to slow the enemy's advances.
What can we DO about it?
Nothing. They are virtually independent from the profit while the interest rates are low, they don't need much effort to beat their targets. Your boycott is meaningless, your money is nothing.

This is also the root of concentration of capital we see today. They can get the current 4.50% interest rates because they are "well established" and they are not considered "risky". Now, can you get the capital at 4.50%?

>>106391189
Explain how cheap credit is making governments act authoritarian and companies happy to help them with it.
I don't like cheap money. But it's only a means to an end. They choose the ends.

>>106391169
>I don't think it's what makes glowies glow
They don't glow because of interest rates, but it is one of the causes. It's more like: they CAN glow because the interest rates are low.

>>106391218
Governments are also participants of the market, they are also players. Low interest rates also allows them to do whatever they want without increasing the taxes or waiting for the tax payers to pay, plus with the benefit this also helps companies, specially companies that helps them out. This also inflates the numbers, even though they are fake: the market is blooming with employment (with bullshit jobs), you work day after day just to pay the rent of your apartment, the food is fake, the economic grow is fake, everything is fake because of low interest rates.

This is also the reason why big tech companies became a bunch of faggots. The left always says they will reduce interest rates because this is "social justice", and companies wants this "social justice" and they want the consumer to vote left so much they dedicated a whole month for faggotry and wokeness.

They are not woke because "they like gays", they are woke because this gives them free money, not because of some idiots paying for them but also because the left is giving them credit for free.

>>106391096
>What can we DO about it?
Stop using cell phones entirely. Transition back to a society where you don't use them. I don't use them because of the grievous crimes against humanity conducted by the NSA/CIA/FBI and widely publicized by Snowden and Wikileaks. I would only use a huawei phone but the US government banned them to keep its monopoly on violating the privacy of american citizens.

>>106391343
>Stop using cell phones entirely
I could probably do this but it will have no effect on anything except make various tasks more annoying
>Transition back to a society where you don't use them
I cannot do this, at least not by myself.
Besides, it's still cope. Why should we have to give up technology? Technology is not the problem, it's the people trying to control it in order to control us.

>>106391343
I will repeat what i said here: >>106391189
While the interest rates are low: your boycott is meaningless, your money is nothing.

The actual thing you can do is to use money the government can't control the interest rate. And there are a bunch of them, specially crypto, but try to use them right now and see what happens.

>>106391396
>>106391403
Boycotts are worthless, they are done to affect change on an outside force. What I am doing by not using cell phones is not a boycott, it's my decision to affect change on my own life by improving it. I don't care what cell phone companies do or what the lack of me as a customer does to them, I'm doing this for me only. Technology is the problem, Ted was right.

>>106389694 (OP)
PAJEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET CEO did it!

lol is this just an upgraded version of that play protect shit they have that i can turn off in 1 second?

how hard will the EU courts fuck them on this?

>>106391835
>lol is this just an upgraded version of that play protect shit they have that i can turn off in 1 second?

No, retard. This is OS level restrictions. The kind of stuff we have been warning you smoothbrains about forever, but you have ignored because in your simple brains "lol I can always just bypass stuff - tech companies are so dumb!" has been the norm forever. You legitimately believed that multi-trillion dollar companies were built by idiots who missed the obvious bypasses that (you), a genius phone user have found. In reality, they have been playing with kid gloves for as long as they thought they had to. They've decided to stop playing nice and the jaws are snapping shut. kys.

>>106391915
Not at all. The EU is going to love this. They are in fact -requiring- Play Integrity for their mandatory Digital ID app.

>>106391932
>os level restriction
oh whew good thing i can install other roms

>>106391932
>The kind of stuff we have been warning you smoothbrains about forever, but you have ignored
You say this as if there's been any real alternative to Android or iOS in the last 10 years. What do you use, anon?

>>106391953
For now. But I hope you can at least see how the walls are closing in. You have at MOST 3 years before new hardware simply will not be completely boot locked.

>>106391999
oh whew good thing i can buy chinese phones

>>106391992
I don't use my phone for anything except making phone calls. But I do understand that things are being arranged such that pretty soon I will have no option but to actually create a google account so I can download "APPS!" to just fucking exist.

>>106392019
Always retreating. Always retreating.

>>106392029
https://youtu.be/eBSf50n6FQQ

>>106392036
I ain't clicking a tracking link, nigga.

>>106389694 (OP)
Can you still install apks manually?

>>106392046
No. That's specifically what this is targeting.

>>106392045
what a retard

>>106389694 (OP)
How will they handle OS upgrades? Will they forcibly uninstall them?

>>106392067
Can I sincerely ask - what are people like you thinking when you approach things like this? What's going on here is very obviously the end of open computing. Every door is being locked shut. But you still have this bizarre attitude of what - I still have one ultra obscure loophole for at least 12 months, so no big deal? Is that what makes you behave like this? Sincere question.

>>106392096
it's funny how you keep speak from a self aggrandizing pov. what in the actual fuck are you gonna do about it? unless you're like louis rossmann and start petition/movements nothing will change.
the best thing for tech literate end users is to mitigate of which i am one.

>>106392096
what else can we even do about it, seriously?

>>106392096
>i will become the google
>checkmate prabhats

>>106390729
aaay whaaat? with whom? china?

>>106392176
>going to war for the US of Ayeeee
aye dawg i got a simple message

chinks will find a way around this. was watching some of their videos the other day and it's very common for them to take an iphone to a random repair shack and get pcb upgrades on storage. just a few of the many things they can do hardware side. wouldn't be surprised to see a large underground movement against this if this were actually rolled out en masse.

>>106392125
I'm not suggesting I can do anything about it. I'm completely realistic. But I don't understand this fundamental need to just be an asshole about it if you actually see what's coming. It helps (((them))) if we're divided.

>>106392046
>Can you still install apks manually?
As long as it is verified. That means if google doesn't like it like a root application or a cheat application it will never be verified.

>>106389769
Honestly, in my opinion, they're not done with force-vaxxing everyone (remember the 8 fucking slots in the covid passports?). The last time they couldn't get it through because do you remember how everyone could just go ahead and post literally everything about the clot shot and the virus?
This time they'll have it locked down so the normies won't be able to form a non-state-sponsored opinion. As much as we "nerds" (in the classic sense, not the nu-marvel sense) like to say that we managed to push it off, we're just small flies against the normie masses.

>>106391189
>Now, can you get the capital at 4.50%?
If you have collateral it is trivial to borrow at 4.5% with a secured loan, just do a short box spread

>>106390574
Apple already did this forever ago

>>106392190
Did they died?

>>106392597
>what is sideloading

>>106389910
Shut the fuck up chatgpt

You know how in Windows 7 whenever you install something or run a program the screen flashes grey and has the popup saying do you want to confirm?
This change is like how microsoft made it for every windows after 7 you don't get that option anymore and it automatically prevents your .exe or program from running if it wasn't signed and verified from the microsoft app store. You can't just download software from the internet and run it anymore. They did it to kill piracy.

>>106392667
IOS banned sideloading unless you rooted (I'm sorry, jailbroke) the phone, they only went back on it when the EU told them to and since then they only allow Europeans to sideload. Do you shills have the memory of goldfish?

>>106389694 (OP)
Some nigger needs to start a petition or something. I never thought I'd say that but I dont want to be a cuck while using a device that Im supposed to own. The bullshit that they peddle will not phase normies at all so this will go through almosf certainly.

>>106392790
>You know how in Windows 7 whenever you install something or run a program the screen flashes grey and has the popup saying do you want to confirm?
>This change is like how microsoft made it for every windows after 7 you don't get that option anymore and it automatically prevents your .exe or program from running if it wasn't signed and verified from the microsoft app store. You can't just download software from the internet and run it anymore. They did it to kill piracy.
That's not what they are doing, they are BLOCKING it, in vista,7,8,10,11 you get a UAC and newer versions a yellow warning.

>>106392859
That's what I said. In 7 you get a UAC warning, after 7 they just block it. That's what google is doing with android now basically.

>>106392874
>That's what I said. In 7 you get a UAC warning, after 7 they just block it. That's what google is doing with android now basically.
They do not block it completely they have you press ok. Are an actual windows user or a linux snub that just makes shit up?

>>106392907
That's what I said. In 7 they have you press ok on the UAC warning, after 7 they just block it. Are you ESL?

>>106392827
cool. so i can sideload.

>>106392955
>after 7 they just block it. Are you ESL?
THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY DO AFTER 7 YOU FUCKING GORILLA FAGGOT.

>>106392978
Reading comprehension.

>>106392190
Based. I'm not dying for a fucking oil company.

>>106392992
NO they are not, is THIS blocking to you, pajeet?
No, you have an option, what google want's to do is NOT give you that option.

>>106393043
Oh cool you learned how to use AI to generate images!
The point I'm making is to give people an easy to understand analogy for what is happening with google blocking sideloading. I'm explaining that it's similar to how microsoft did a similar thing when they made the transition from the last usable good windows (windows 7, where you had a UAC prompt when running unsigned software), to every windows since then that are all awful dogshit jeetware made for minimum IQ zoomies (windows 8/10/11/12/etc, where anything not officially signed and verified from the windows app store just gets blocked because it's no longer my computer, it's this computer and you have no privacy or control over it and updates are mandatory).
Do you understand now, thirdie? You keep iterating what I'm already saying without understanding that I've said it.

R/Android users are saying they will switch to Apple now since there's reason to own Shitdroid phones now.

>>106389694 (OP)
>>106389741
Why are these corporations such control freaks?

>>106392240
Cyberpunk

There has always been potential for open technology to be misappropriated as a tool for oppression the entire time, we just had to wait for enough people to know how it all works to be floating around so we could pick the ones who are the right amount of technically capable but ethically retarded. Combine that with ten years of active demoralization and boom here we are. Multiple people tried to warn you faggots and you just didn't want to listen. Enjoy turbo techno fascism for the rest of forever everywhere you go.

>>106389694 (OP)
literally no reason not to just jump onto the apple ecosystem at this point

>>106393526
No thanks, rabbi. I'd rather root my phone than fall for the applejew.

>>106393492
>Multiple people tried to warn you faggots and you just didn't want to listen
The people here are more informed on these facts than anyone else.
What did you want "us" to do about it anyway?

>>106389694 (OP)
I was literally just about to swap to android to install apks again then this fucking happens, I hope ceo behind this faggot shit has a stroke, I'm gonna be stuck on this iphone for life

>>106389945
>Gaint
At least we know your comment was not AI gen'd
>>106393124
>Oh cool you learned how to use AI to generate images!
Holly shit, what a retard
https://tineye.com/search/?url=https://i.4cdn.org/g/1756234056092702.jpg

>>106394200
>Holly shit, what a retard
>https://tineye.com/search/?url=https://i.4cdn.org/g/1756234056092702.jpg
none of those are exact matches, retard

>>106394200
first day dealing with pilpul eh? stop replying to him.

like half the posts ITT are jeetish, wtf

>>106395114
so true onlt the poors an jeets and virgin neckbeards care about this. like just get money and pull bitches right? lmao

>>106389694 (OP)
I'm sure fdroid will get on the gplay store or something. They just need a developer license, doesn't really matter at that point. If Epig can get Google to allow their shitty Chinese Malware "game" store to be sideloaded, fdroid can do it.

>>106392240
but won't they also install chink government spyware?

>>106393043
I think they're talking SmartScreen. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/operating-system-security/virus-and-threat-protection/microsoft-defender-smartscreen/

Which is entirely different from the UAC screen. Basically when SmartScreen triggers because of an "unknown developer" your screen goes whatever color your theme is (green in my case) with a pop-up saying "Windows does not recognize this developer" yadda yadda yadda "do you want to run this program? Possible malware" with "NO" in big radio button while "run away" is an underlined small like that Show More Details in your shot.

>>106396113
Every app on fdroid will still need to be signed by a verified developer

>>106393311
Because then they can jack the price up and force you to use a version that records everything you do and also doesn't let you do anything remotely fun or interesting.

>>106393526
Lol that's basically this but 10 years down the line.

At this point you should just switch to a dumb phone and start carrying around a mini laptop synced to a mobile hotspot

>>106389694 (OP)
You may as well just get something like this and use Skype or WhatsApp or something to call people if you need to. I haven't looked into this literally at all, butt I know a lot of computers have the functionality to run your SIM Card and act as a phone even if it would be impractical so I'm sure you could find something portable that would work. Only downside is no camera but for all the benefits it would bring it would be worth it just to invest in a separate digital camera if you really needed one and/or find one with a decent built in camera/mod your own onto it.

I've never paid more than a couple hundred bucks for a phone. Which apple phone costs under a couple hundred bucks right now?

>>106395114
move to iphone saar DO NOT USE A CUSTOM ROM BLOODY

>>106389910
>(sensitive permissions, some markets/pilots, and during phone calls)

>Oy vey. It's only for the sensitive apps goyim. We promise not to expand it! Relax goyim.

Give em an inch they VILL take a mile and you VILL be happy.

>>106397204
that's a pretty decent thought, what's some pre-built tech that even has SIM card functionality that doesn't have to rely on android/iphone shit?

>>106397509
You can still buy USB modems (for old-fashioned tethering) but don't expect it to be a great experience.

>>106389694 (OP)
Guess I'll be being an iPhone.
Sideloading was the only reason I bought Android.

>>106389694 (OP)
Guess I'll be buying an iPhone.
Sideloading was the only reason I bought Android.

>>106389694 (OP)
you guys dont like to hear it but this is jews and indians
whites would never do it
blacks would never even think of doing something like this

what good is a custom rom when no corporate apps will run because muh safetynet muh remote attestation? and stealth hacks are a never ending cat and mouse game.

if you just want to make phone calls then you might as well give up on smart phones and use something like this.

>>106389694 (OP)
so old un-upddooted phones will be gold in the near future?

>>106397849
I agree, anon

I HATE 2025
I HATE 2025
I HATE 2025

>>106397875
>shuts down 3G and 4G so you're forced to upgrade
nothing personal kid

5G > Starlink

>>106389694 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFnxyJZmttg

>>106389769
Israel went mask off with genocide and normal people are becoming antisemitic.

Basically all the tech censorship you're seeing lately is because a bunch of bloodthirsty kikes in the Knesset couldn't restrain their desire for dead gentiles.

>*sigh*
Stoped reading.
Also go back.

>>106391187
Based, I only ever use the latest apple products. I was never a fan of windows until windows 11 cause the system requirements filtered 3rd world pajeets.

>>106389694 (OP)
Good, sideloading was mainly used for piracy and stuff like youtube revanced and lucky patcher. If you want premium software you should pay a premium price.

>>106393311
because theyre jews.

>>106399623
I doubt that. This has been in motion since early 2023 or earlier when these laws started getting tabled (UK online safety act, Canada online harms act, chat control, etc)

>>106389910
this is inaccurate. stop using chatgpt to "summarize" things for you when it doesn't understand the situation.

Google is requiring android phones that installs an app whether in outside the play store, to first check with Google if the developer is "verified" and the package name is "registered", in order to install the app.

>[Sideloading] remains supported by Android, but Google has added restrictions that can block or limit sideloaded apps that request high-risk permission or fail integrity/attestation checks in some deployments.
This describes how things are NOW not the actual change that starts next year. You won't be able to turn the new restrictions off.

>Some measures are being piloted in specific countries/contexts [...]
This will be deployed globally starting 2027.

>F‑Droid itself [...] is generally unaffected when installed/used as an app store; the main impact is on apps delivered directly via browsers/messaging or apps requesting sensitive permissions while sideloaded.
This is a LIE. Every APK installed on any android phone, in or outside play store, must check with google whether the developer of that apk is "verified" with real government ID and has registered the app name.
Fact: since F-droid builds and signs every app themselves, they could be treated as the "developer" of the app. and because Google is going to impose a fee when a developer has more than a fixed number of apps, F-droid now has to pay google a substantial amount of money to continue existing. they are absolutely affected and even if f-droid somehow manages to pay up, this could easily kill less funded alternatives to the play store, which results in google further centralizing control.

>Device vendors and users still have control: OEMs can implement different policies[...]
This is a LIE. If you don't implement the policies, your phone is no longer a certified Android phone, meaning you can't ship it with Play Store/Chrome/etc. OEMs will comply to stay in business

to me, Google's statements on this whole thing are very vague up until now. especially picrel makes me think that users will have the option to opt out of the verification process when installing an app. at least that's my wishful thinking.

>>106400273
>"If you want freedom you must be a cheater or a criminal"
Whatever you think of how people use their device freedom, you can't seriously be on the side of a conglomerate restricting your freedom to run whatever programs you want to on a computer you bought with your own money. These changes have serious effects on the android ecosystem.

It'll mean that you can't just create (or compile and run) an app and run it on your phone that you bought and own, without Google's permission (and by extension without the permission of the governments that Google will now cooperate with to revoke your access according to vague "policies"). People developing an interest in programming will need government ID just to create apps and will have to pay a fee to Google if they register "too many" apps. As an example think of kids tinkering with technology but who don't have access to gov't ID since they're minors.

This change also enables censorship at a massive scale. Privacy apps like Signal can now easily be blocked. Open source apps on Github that Google don't like (including Revanced) can now easily be blocked, entirely at their discretion. You won't own your phone anymore if they actually push this through.

>>106401948
By "distribute their apps" they are saying you can send your app to anybody but you will still only be able to actually install the app with Google's permission. They're trying to misdirect our attention and continue to call this "freedom", pretty dystopian.

>>106389741
When was peak smartphone tech, like 2013? I remember being able to listen the the radio with wired earbuds on my Galaxy S3. Also had an sdcard slot, and a replaceable battery. Don't have any of that anymore. I remember back then thinking to myself, "damn if smartphones are this cool now, I can't wait until smartphones ten years from now!" And here we are, death by 1000 cuts.

>>106401948
No, you are completely wrong.
>developers will have the same freedom to distribute their apps directly to users through sideloading or to use any app store
This is a blatant lie. Developers will be able to distribute installable APKs if and only if they sign them with their verified certificate issued by Google.
You want to distribute that Nintendo emulator? Give it a try and see how it goes, just keep in mind we know who you are :^)
Same for chat apps not scanning your apps as required by Chat Control. Or any program really, they will be able to tell who made what exactly. This is a huge step toward mass surveillance. The EU probably can't stop spontaneously cooming from the very thought.

By framing this "solution" as Google holding developers accountable, they're shifting the blame towards developers for Google failing to remove the MILLIONS of malware scam apps that already exist on Play Store EVEN when Google already is verifying their identities to upload an app there.

Android has existed for ages and Google never tried restricting it like this. They're not doing it for security, it's nothing other than a power grab because the US government might now force them to sell Chrome after losing their antitrust lawsuits.

>>106402011
>>106402155
Stop doomposting, you retard. Nothing will actually come out of these new changes and nothing will happen like it always does.

>>106389694 (OP)
maybe steve jobs was right and web apps were supposed to be the future
well, until google's remote attestation bullshit gets revived and creeps all over the web
self-hosting a lot of services I use and moving away from apps to web "apps" seems to be one of the best decisions I've ever made over the past couple of years
I can switch between ios and android phones without losing too much functionality
>>106389743
nigger, last rootable, hacker-friendly phone I've ever bought willingly was the samsung galaxy s5 (klte)
in this fucked up world where smartphones are a necessity (for banking and shit) and with phones increasingly getting locked down I have no choice but to buy them

>>106402274
>let's just pretend thing doesn't exist because it makes me uncomfortable: the post

>>106402317
This is how every one of these things goes. People think it's going to happen, they freak out for months, nothing happens and then they move onto the next thing. Cycle repeats. Nothing will come of this.

>>106402328
Fuck off. You literally need a VPN to use Twitter from the EU now. And that's only as long as Twitter allows VPNs at all.

>>106402373
>Using a shithole site like Twitter
There's your problem to begin with. As said before, nothing will come out of this. Apple already lost to Epic games in both the US and UK. This will very likely be the same result. Nothing will happen, like it always does.

>>106402404
>I don't read anything other than troonix threads on /g/ on 4channel
Ok good for you I guess. Opinion discarded, is what I would say but it couldn't be taken seriously in the first place.

>>106391011
>>106391131
>>106391169
>>106391230
I think i agree on the core argument.
Low interest rates means whoever makes the first move get some insane entrenchment due almost free loans. Low interest rates accelerates monopoly.

High interest rates means competition, and its harder for glowies to entrench on entities that did not exist a few years ago, or maybe even weren't relevant back then.

>>106402424
I'll see you in a few months when nothing ends up happening.

>>106402461
Ok amerimutt, I'm happy you have at least some rights and a semi-functional justice system, but that's not how things work in the rest of the world.

>>106391011
the white house is never in control of the interest rate, for good reasons. but i agree with you that low interest rates hugely warps incentives. raise it to 5% and watch the world heal

>>106402373
Idk what youre talking about, since when does twitter require a vpn?
if you mean it's because the UK is jailing people over social media posts now, at least know that the UK is not the EU. many of us don't want social media arrests or age verification or chat control

>>106402328
you mean just like manifest v3 "didn't happen"? look again, it did happen. the original adblocker ublock origin was removed from chrome and all you get is "ublock lite" now

all it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing

>>106403294
>since when does twitter require a vpn?
It started around a month ago.
>if you mean it's because the UK is jailing people over social media posts now, at least know that the UK is not the EU.
No, I'm from the EU, and you can't view posts deemed NSFW from the EU either without a VPN. They are going ahead of the EU age verification laws and just get it over with now instead of waiting for the law to pass.
>many of us don't want social media arrests or age verification or chat control
Well, literally all of those are becoming a thing in the EU, so frankly nobody gives a fuck about what you want. Social media arrests are a thing in some countries only, but the latter two are coming for all EU countries.

>>106392827
you can sideload in eu? how is it?

>>106393257
redditors started to wake up

>>106403827
No, you can't.

>>106389694 (OP)
I give up. If Google wants Android to be iOS so bad why would I not just get the real thing? I've heard good things about AltStore.

Jews

>>106403827
Apparently yeah, but you need to still have the app signed by Apple.

>>106391951
>They are in fact -requiring- Play Integrity for their mandatory Digital ID app
No, you can still use Hardware attestation, rather than Play Integrity api. Also it's up to each country how they want to implement this, so what the fuck are you yapping about?

>>106397875
Just get something like a fairphone which does not come with google shit if you use their own android fork

>>106402011
really important comment

I hate this bullshit. It's become almost totally normalized to need permission from huge companies to run whatever you want on YOUR own hardware that cost a shit load of money. Like you're leasing it from them or something. I want to fight against this in every way possible. I hate that so many people don't understand or care about just how fucked up this is.

>>106404631
I know that feel anon

What do we do? How do we fight back against this?

>>106404667
Use, promote, and develop technology that is difficult or impossible to control.
Participate in the counterculture and try to free people from the matrix when you have a chance to do so.
That's my plan. It seems it's all I can do.

many people are suggesting alt devices, but what about banking? not owning a smart phone effectively de-persons you because it denies you access to financial services

>>106404699
unless your bank doesn't let you sign in from a web browser this isn't true. i have no idea why this hyper-specific point gets brought up tens of thousands of times per month. is it a europoor thing to not be allowed to use your money except from a iphone?

>>106404721
Apparently a bunch of American banks require 2FA which is only usable with their app.
It's not a thing in Canada either but it might be at some point.

>>106404699
You might have to buy a cheap burner phone that you keep fully stock/default that you use only when you need to do stuff like that.

>>106389694 (OP)
It's to protect the children yet again

is CFW still possible on newer pixels?

>>106405257
yes but all the custom firmware projects you might want to install are either dead or claiming they're about to be dead.

what's even the point of owning an android device then
like the only good thing was installing whatever you wanted

>>106405464
I'd still rather have access to most files on the phone without garbage like iTunes, and there are lots of apps for android that I'm already familiar with and I'm sure a lot of them don't have an iOS equivalent. Also a lot of third party devs will probably just sign their apps. It's still a horrendous development of events.

>>106405464
because you have 2 options and android is still the lesser of two pieces of shit even without sideloading
TJD can't come soon enough, FUCK GOOGLE

>>106405507
>access to most files on the phone without garbage like iTunes
I'm kind of surprised Apple's never been sued for functionally ransomwaring their users. It's much worse than most of the stuff they actually have been sued for.

>>106405550
There are essentially 2 kinds of regulations against Apple.
1, fines based on special snowflake regulations the EU passes specifically so it can fine Apple (these are essentially taxes).
2, arbitrary regulations with zero practical impact, where the EU pretends it cares about its citizens' and doesn't want to actually turn the world into literally 1984 therefore goyim will think its an ebin pwnage and thank big brother EU for it. These are usually used to bully Apple so they can fulfill point 1 even better (muh mandatory USB C (which was completely unwarranted) and muh sideloading (which still doesn't work) are examples of these).

>It's another scaaarryyy internet regulation everyone panics about for a month and then nothing happens
How many times is it now?

>>106389903
i hate when normies discover stuff like this. They are bragging about all the time until glowes find it out and shut everything down

>>106391011
>we saw a massive layoff and they calmed down about the censorship they put on the internet.
You do know that's so everyone can be openly BASED on X and Meta and other identity attested platforms, so they can feed all that BASED talk through Palantir and identify all the BASED boys.

It's false, we did not 'win'. Zion won and a bunch of volks are about to have a terrible time.

>>106405747
Here is Satan's coat of arms... notice anything goys?

>>106389769
Basically a certain conflict has caused many people to go "hey, wait a minute..." at institutions that hold a lot of power, and now there is a coherent collaborative effort to undermine digital privacy.
Makes you think, huh?

>>106405639
It’s just the noose tightening another inch or so. Nothing to worry about- until suddenly it is.

= more censorship

>>106389694 (OP)
>>106389769
the UN WEF 2030 agenda has a dead line of... can you guess it? 2030. enjoy it while you can.

>>106389694 (OP)
Enjoy you ai slop spyware brick saar

>>106404721
>>106404733
Go physically to the bank or use web browser.
If they force 2fa remove your account and switch banks
Bong are fucked though they have to use government face I'd apps for everything lol

>pinephone
LOL LMAO GET FUCKED JEETDROID USERS LOL LMAO GET FUCKED ITODDLERS I DONT CARE NOT MY PROBLEM

>>106392955
They don't "just block it" after 7. You can run unsigned apps in Windows 8 and 10. the dialog box to do so just looks blue instead.

I feel safer already.

>>106402274
>t. fed angry at any dissent
Expect a lot of "SHUT UP YOU CAN'T FIGHT BACK" "IT'S USELESS THERE'S NO HOPE" "NOTHING EVER HAPPENS STOP TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW" posts to show up.

>>106389741
shhhhhhhhh
you will obey, you will work, you will consume, you will own nothing and be happy

>>106404179
Yes it's the same thing android just announced, eu is allowing it so google is doing it too

>>106401323
they have tried this every few years since at least 1993 with the clipper chip, however they always failed, usually quite hard
it wasn't until 2024 they started advancing hard on this proposals

>>106391011
trump and his tard followers have been calling for rates to be cut down to 0 since 2017, he's doubling down extremely hard on it by actually interfering with the Fed and publicly attacking powell

>>106391915
since apple is doing the same they can't without going into another battle with apple

>>106396113
f-droid is much smaller than you think, they either leave devs to sign their own apps (which will kill a lot of apps, specially those related to anything remotely related to adblocking) or they sign the apps themselves and get extremely taxed catering to whatever bullshit google starts dictating (dropping a lot of apps and eventually getting banned for multiple strikes)

>>106400273
>youtube revanced
usually stops working every few weeks
>lucky patcher
hasn't been a thing for close to a decade

>>106402257
>it's nothing other than a power grab because the US government might now force them to sell Chrome after losing their antitrust lawsuits.
it's not even that, they're doing it because it's the best moment to do it with the EU accepting this model from apple, and other app store/ecosystem competition dying off with the sole exception of huawei (which is straight up banned in the us)

>>106404567
>Not being able to sideload apps means they want to genocide white men
You people have a victim complex lol

>>106406975
kek I haven't pirated android apps in like a decade
I even paid for poweramp
what do kids use nowadays? pre-patched apks from mobilism?

>>106392650
Those weren't actually frag grenades so no, unfortunately.

>>106393124
NTA but you're actually a retard. Your retarded "analogy" isn't fucking true and the image you think was AI generated is literally the only prompt that ever showed up when installing a random exe from a website on wangblows. I have not ever seen or heard of anything else other than this prompt appearing and having to click yes when installing something, and it's infuriating watching you ignore the collective years of experience of fucking EVERYONE in this world who EVER installed an exe from a website in win10 atleast and doubling down at every turn like some piratesoftware nigger

>>106408391
Bro stop with the windows 10 glaze.

>>106389694 (OP)
I rather have google lock me inside a concrete cage than use any apple poo shit device.

>>106408402
I haven't used windows in at least five years you absolute moron, I'm just appalled at how retarded some people can be on the "technology" board

>>106408460
It's not like macs are any better.

>>106408472
No shit they're even worse. Actually the thing in that retarded analogy earlier happened on my friends mac, I had to dig in the settings cause it wasn't letting me install a package with unsigned drivers. I exclusively use linux with no systemd.

>>106404733
Scotiabank requires their app for 2FA even on desktop, so it's not *no* banks up here

>>106408698
I get away with text verification. There are enough boomers who can't use technology that they can't force an app on you.

Is that legal? What if you only had a land line and no cell phone? I know Chase lets me use either my email or SMS. If they really require an app to have an account I would cancel the account and move to another bank/credit union. No point in using such a ridiculous service.

>>106406975
revanced just works, and you can compile the patch in the phone, not sure if that's considered sideloading otherwise developers can't test their apps in android studio connected to a real phone for example

>>106408839
>Is that legal?
Terms of business (not service) are functionally unregulated in the US. They can do whatever they want with/out whoever they want. When the USPS gets gutted I'll enjoy watching rural trump voters no longer be able to send or receive mail.

>>106389910
Why does my chatgpt never sound as bad as this? Is part of the prompt "try to sound as much as an AI as possible"?

>>106407714
>pre-patched apks from mobilism?
yeah but it's also pretty dead, most people simply take the ads or pay
>>106408976
that's sideloading, if you want to develop at all for android you will need a developer account with google, just like how it is for ios

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ANDROID TODDLERS DIDNT USE THEIR "FREEEDOM" EVER. YOU WERE ALL JUST LARPING.

99.99999% OF ANDROID USERS ARE USING THEIR PHONE EXACTLY LIKE AN IPHONE USER WITH THE DISADVANTAGE THAT ANDROID IS SHIT, THE SCREENS ARE SHIT, THE PHONES ARE DESIGNED TO DIE EVERY YEAR SO YOU BUY THE NEXT SLOP VERSION FOR 300 BUX

AN ANDROID USER SPENTS MORE MONEY ON PHONES THAN AN IPHONE USER!!

5 ANDROIDS FOR 300 A YEAR VS 1000 FOR A FLAGSHIP IPHONE THAT LASTS 6-7 LMFAOOOOOO

what if you install the apps through adb?

>Google turns android into an even worse ios
just buy an apple at this point. I don't know if normies will do that though

>>106411303
I mean surely they're gonna let you turn on developer mode and do that right?

>>106389743

https://www.androidauthority.com/pixel-4a-battery-update-explained-3522417/

>>106389743
This. I will just keep buying Fairphone and flash LineageOS on it. Fuck the globohomo.

>>106392190
>>106407862
Story?

>>106389769
>And I hate the government.
Lol. Now you know why this is happening.
They want to know who hates them and on what level.
>"Oh? This one crossed threshold X2A"
>"Okay, you upload the CP to his device, I'll inform the police."
Fun times ahead, anon.

>>106392190
HOLY based

>>106389694 (OP)
>that means things like f-droid & apps within it will not be able to be installed on android
Wrong. All they need to do is to verify themselves. I wouldn't install apk from random unknown dev anyway.

Suppose I'm the author of some open source program or library, and I want to fight this new requirement.
Specifically, I want to prohibit any use of my software on devices that only run approved/signed/notarized programs.
Do any existing licenses cover this? GPL3 has an "anti-tivoization" clause but it isn't really intended for this scenario.

It's kind of a nuclear option, but I was thinking about writing a "+UNSIGNED" license modifier which prohibits applying any kind of signature/notarization/other cryptographic approval to the software. You either run it as an unsigned binary or you can't run it at all.
This would prevent its use on all modern mobile platforms, make the program awkward (but not impossible) to run on macOS, and cause a UAC prompt on Windows.

Ideally I'd prefer to allow the voluntary use of signatures where this can be done without infringing the user's freedoms or placing a burden on developers, but I can't think of a way to specify that without creating loopholes or being unenforceable.

>>106405507
>I'd still rather have access to most files on the phone

Don't worry, I'm sure they're working on that too. Inb4 their next announcement is something like "you shouldn't have to choose between safety and not being able to access your files (actually, our files) - so we chose for you again" or whatever soulless corporate Orwellian crap they'll write about it.
It's already hard to access a lot of files on android on my poco from 2022. A lot of apps put their files in their own folder which only that app has read access to

>>106412007
I'm sure they are. It will take a few more generations until we get there.
Android was really too good to be true. I literally bought my first Android phone to play region blocked games, which wasn't really possible on my iPhone.