Thread 106426310

Manchild toys edition

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>Keyboard recommendation template:
https://pastebin.com/n220xk9V

>Find vendors
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list // Up-to-date list of reputable vendors with brief descriptions
https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com // Tracker for current and upcoming keycap group buys

>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!
https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you know how)

>Learn about Cherry MX switches
https://rentry.org/mkg_switches // Introductory guide
https://www.theremingoat.com // Switch reviews
https://www.switchesdb.com // Compare force curves

>Split and non-standard layout resources
https://compare.splitkb.com
https://keyboard-design.com

>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound?
https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet)

>Practice typing
https://monkeytype.com
https://www.keybr.com
https://thetypingcat.com
https://play.typeracer.com

>How Cherry switches do backlighting, and why it's not ideal
https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight

>>106419301
I've been to a store, and I've ensured myself that I'd prefer tactical over linear, but other than that, there wasn't much to look like. The discount I mentioned before no longer works, and the v6 Max got slightly more expensive, so I'm reconsidering my options once again.
>>106412058
Coming back to this Aula f108 pro, I've seen the more preferable colours (in particular Gradient Grey RA or Black and Grey)
cheaper from some other certified shop:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009032435010.html
So how does this one stack up to Keychron V6/K10 Max? And what about the Aula f108 non-pro version? That one also is out there for a decent price.
And speaking of that, how bad are the keycaps on that? Is the choice of keeping them on just aesthetics? Because maybe if I ignored that bit, grey buttons might be good enough (at least initially, I can always swap them out later if they bother me too much).
And should I get o-rings? Would they help make it that bit more quieter even with silent switches? And what size should I get? I've seen those for under $2 for 125 of 2.5mm ones:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000211277106.html

>>106426496
I decided to get those:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009032435010.html (Gradient Gray RA)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008738227865.html (110 pcs)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008738227865.html (Black, I dunno if I'll end up using them, but since I was ordering stuff anyway, I thought I'll get them just in case OD9xID4xCS2.5mm)
For now, I didn't get any other keycaps, and first I'll see how those on there by default work. If I don't like them, then I can get some other ones.
It ended up at a total of $99.11, so right in my initial budget.
Thanks for all the advice, mates.

>>106426310 (OP)
>309x163

nth for curved keywells

Was half-unconscious clicking around vendors and this one woke me out of my stupor. Not sure whether based or cringe. Model M case shape on a 65% with a proper curved PCB/plate. And being a bit larger than a regular 65 it'll probably sound a lot less bad. Optional top mount or gasket mount, can't find any graphic of the mounting points though.
https://novelkeys.com/collections/frontpage/products/curve-65-keyboard

Price is not bad, but no internal weight and layout is 99% fixed. But you get all the keys, no blocker. Hotswap tri-mode PCB only... yuck. 2kg assembled isn't terrible. 6061 aluminum... I'm trying to remember if that's bad. 6063 is the standard that you see on most stuff.

Can't find any info about who is making this, all I know for sure is it's a Chinese project, because they've got Chinese in their graphics.

>>106428726
Ok I'm looking at the zFrontier listing, "Play Keyboard" is behind this, I don't know who they are though lol, and that name is basically impossible to Google ("learn to play keyboard..."). Still no explosion diagram.

>>106426971
I hope you're happy with all this. But since you're going silent, one more thing to consider: stabilizer noises will annoy you even more than they would annoy a regular keyboard user, since you're not getting much other noise from the keyboard. Consider getting a small tube of lubricant to occasionally inject into the stabilizers to quiet them down/stop the 'ticking'. Super Lube 21010 is cheap and does the trick wonderfully, the only thing that would make it more useful would be a needle tip for applying it.

Hi /mkg/. My left ctrl key keeps getting stuck down when I press it. Any idea how I can stop that from happening?

>>106426310 (OP)
Gaterons are shit. Never ever buy this trash with screeching springs.

>>106426971
I realized I pasted the wrong link for the last one, it was supposed to be this:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000211277106.html
>>106429394
I hope so too.
Stabilizers are those extra pseudo-switches on wider keys like spacebar and enter, right? Would I have to just inject the lube after removing the keycap, or would disassembling something more be required?

I want cheap pre-shiny double-shot abs keycaps.

>>106429770
What switch?
Is the keycap original to the keyboard?
How clean is the keyboard?
When you remove the keycap and press the stem does it still get stuck?

>>106429774
What? My reds are just fine.

I caved and spent $18 on another set of keycaps cause my keyboard has south facing LEDs, and the only ones I have are standard caps that make it impossible to read in non dim environments.

I knew my AliExpress purchase was gonna bite me in the ass one way or another

>>106430884
Those swirl designs will rub off and look even worse than they do now.
>$18
You got chinked. Get blanks and learn to touch type, no backlight needed.

I have a CM Storm with brown cherry switches. I’ve had it since 2020 but the esc has broken and this week I spilled some tea on it and even though I tried cleaning it I think the keyboard should be retired.

Now in South Africa we have access to Ducky keyboards but my cousin said that I should consider a Chinese keyboard. With my credit card rewards I could get 50% off a Ducky so I’m leaning to that.

>>106431439
>Ducky a shit
Some older Duckys can't replace switches (hotswap) and all of them don't use qmk/via.
Find something else less ridiculous than this brand.

Any hot-swappable wireless 100% keyboards that have a setup of macro buttons and a knob on the left side similar to the pic?

Is going from 100% to 96% with a shortened 0 on the numpad that bad? Most 96% boats I see charge an extra 100 for just the big zero

Anyone using splits? I was thinking about trying a silakka54 and adding my own switches and caps.
Do you think it actually makes coding a bit more efficient or comfortable?

>>106430353
>Would I have to just inject the lube after removing the keycap,
Basically yes. You also have to sort of lift the stem to get access to the hole where the wire is.

>>106431439
If you can get a Ducky for 50% off I'd just do that. No QMK/VIA isn't necessarily a problem if you use large keyboards and don't need to reprogram keys much. You get genuine cherry switches (still a plus imo even these days) and not the worst double-shot OEM caps.

>>106431934
How I don't see how you can have the arrow cluster and avoid shortening the 0 without making the keyboard wider.

"Is it that bad" no. It's a great layout. You put your print screen/etc above the numpad and use the numpad for navigation. Numlock becomes an important key to keep track of so make sure you get one with indicator lights.

I would like a nice keyboard without any keys removed to move on from my Corsair K70.
Ideally something made out of metal rather than plastic.
It needs to have dedicated media keys as well, not stuck to any FN keys.
I do not want any (L)RGB(T) lights on my keyboard, so if it has any it at least needs to be possible to turn them off while the keys remain fully visible.
What would the professionals of /mkg/ recommend me?

What are the best caps to get for the Silakka54? I think I don't want flat caps.

>>106432864
One of the Keychron Q6 models, or a Monsgeek M5.

We're not exactly drowning in full-size options right now. There were some last year but you missed them.

>It needs to have dedicated media keys as well, not stuck to any FN keys.
Lol. You need that do you

>>106433726
I forgot, there are also technically some more expensive all-aluminum full size Varmilo boards at Mechanicalkeyboards.com. e.g.
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/varmilo-sword-2-108-warrior-soar

But I don't know enough about them to say whether they're worth looking at or not. Obviously the keycaps are super ugly but replacing keycaps is easy.

>>106430796
It means you are deaf. Clean your ears.

>>106432864
Sorry, old faggot with greasy skin, but you are too poor for a good keyboard.

>>106433726
Keychron does not have dedicated media keys, and yes, I do need that.
Monsgeek has fucking disgusting animal keycaps, fuck that.
And yes when I buy keyboard I expect it to come with proper keycaps, not play with my balls for some god damn keycaps.

>>106434363
>too poor
Pic related.
Also flawless white skin, never had any acne either. Thanks for your understanding, faggot.

>>106434586
>keychron does not have dedicated media keys
It has four extra macro keys in the top-right corner. Don't tell me you're too fucking stupid to use VIA

>It's me, a newcomer. I'm already in a bad mood so don't make it worse. Here's a list of my absolute REQUIREMENTS for a keyboard, which are the bare minimum for a respectable product; my budget is $100. You are all trannies btw. I will call everything you recommend me gay and/or Chinese, and then I will give a speech on how this bullshit is what's wrong with the world today. No of course I won't do any work at all to alter any keyboard to meet my requirements, not even changing the keycaps—because I am white.
They're cloning this guy in a lab somewhere

>>106431274
I make too many typos when I can't see, not at that level yet

>>106435198
It really doesn't take a lot of light to see a good high-contrast legend on a regular keycap. This thing where people need "backlighting" is so bizarre.

>>106432532
Being using split columnar stagger boards for over 10 years now, wouldn't want to go back. Wouldn't want to go back to a flat board after switching to a dacytl neither.
These boards are programmable so I don't see why you couldn't make it work for whatever coding you do.

>>106435139
>in a lab somewhere
it's in your whore mother's womb

>>106432864
Das Keyboard

>>106438280
Thank you! Das Keyboard 6 Professional is exactly what I was looking for, the only issue is they don't have red cherry switches, so I'm not sure if I should go for it.
Brown is the closest to red?

>Budget
$150
>Location
US
>Preferred switch type
cherry mx red
>Layout
ISO or ANSI, doesn't matter to me
>Form factor
ideally 100% but TKL is fine
>Backlight
as long as it can do white
>Previous/current keyboard
had a corsair k70 pro, apparently the switches can't be fixed without doing some monkey shit and desoldering and resoldering the board and the comma key's switch gave out, pls help bros

>>106435398
I would definitely opt for a set that only had transparent sides and opaque printed tops if i could find a set

>>106432532
I use a helix split keyboard for coding.
Yes it is definitely more comfortable I would not be able to go back to not having a mod key to write all the brackets and +-=.
I don't recommend the helix though as I believe a keyboard with column stagger like the silakka is better than a pure grid.

>>106438831
ducky or keychron I guess

>>106438831
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/collections/leopold/keyboard

Personally I'd spend an extra few bucks and get a hall effect. The K70MAX is pretty tits.

>>106434945
keychron is dogwater.

>>106434945
>troonix
>nshartia
He is even dumber.

>>106435472
Do you know of any dactyl with buckling springs? I know there is an anon that assembles them for a price, but they have yet to answer when I ask them if they are able to provide them.

>>106440505
Bro I already answered, right here >>106424762

>>106440512
Please forgive me missing that and thank you for the response.
>not worth it
So too much work, regardless of perhaps being supplied the switches, and time for any price?

>>106440534
There's no reasonable amount of money I could charge you if you wanted a one-off BS dactyl. IIRC one of the dudes who works at unicomp made his own custom ortho model F type board, and getting it to work properly was a big pain in the ass. Now imagine how much more of a pain in the ass something with a curved keywell would be.

>>106440559
That said, box pale blues mimic the force curve of buckling springs fairly well, I could easily just build a dactyl with those if you wanted.

>>106440606
>>106440559
Understood. I am ignorant of many things you are skilled and knowledgeable of in regards to forces and switch performance at different angles. It almost sounds like it would need to be a personal project.
>reasonable
Well, we would need to reason together to overcome that. It is already understood to be a larger task than what you currently enjoy providing, so a larger number is expected. I can tell, though, that this is something you do not want to do; so I will look into seeing how much it would cost(time&money) for myself to do it. I suspect it will be 4 figures for sure ;3

>>106440692
Yea something in the 4 figure range is the unreasonable amount I had in mind. Assuming it can be done in the first place it would take days, probably weeks, of work to get to a finished board.

>>106441067
Those are so delicious. I lived on Oahu for 6 years and they were something you would drive all the way around the island for if you had to.

>>106441078
is yakult not a thing in burgerland? they're everywhere (and a bit overpriced really) in aus. but yes they're pretty nice

>>106441217
Nope, You might find them in heavily populated Asian part of big cities, but I haven't seen them outside Hawaii, and I left in 1999.

>>106440327
How many metal 100% boards with extra keys for media functions can YOU think of?

I wanna upgrade from my old Dell keyboard and dip my does into mechanical keyboards. Can someone recommend a decent entry level one under $100?

>>106443140
https://store.monokei.co/collections/keyboards/products/sale-monokei-standard
Shipping will cost as much as the keyboard itself, but they're going out of business so they're selling the girl-colors of these boards (oops, girls don't like TKL) for a tiny fraction of what they used to cost. And they were considered a solid package back when they were full price.

I'd get Cherry Browns on suave pink, myself.

Any cheap heavy clicky switches? I want a couple for caps/scroll/num lock to prevent turning them on accidentally.

>>106443229
Ended up buying a Keychron C3 Pro (the hot swappable one) with brown switches. Got it from Amazon so I can always return it if I don't like it.

>>106438831
revising this a bit, what would you guys recommend
>budget
$200-250
>location
still US
>preferred switch type
any kind of reds
>layout
ANSI
>form factor
full size
>backlight
same as before, doesn't matter as long as it can do white
I'm trying to find one that's got a full metal frame one like the corsair had and hot swappable switches, was looking at a q6 max but from what I'm seeing they've been having a bunch of quality control issues lately, what do I do bros

>>106443808
Could do worse I guess

>>106444202
>doesn't matter as long as it can do white
This is the part that's confusing me. Does it not matter or do you need it

Does anyone know if the SteelSeries apex 3's keycaps can be removed and replaced?

>>106445030
>>106445030
Looks like they have some kind of proprietary switch, so if compatible keycaps exist they would be made by Steelseries specifically as replacements for this keyboard. Seems like the kind of thing you'd need to go through customer support to find out.

>>106445050
Oh, alright thanks

>>106443728
And I meant heavy as in actuation, not as in a very loud click.
Any opinions on Box Navy?

>>106445050
actually on closer look it just looks like a rubber dome over membrane keyboard ("water resistant"...), not a "proprietary switch"

>>106445056
There was a time I meant to buy BOX Jades and accidentally bought BOX Royals. Holy fuck were they strange to type on. You really feel the weight and I doubt ill ever get used to it, it draws your attention on every keypress. I normally enjoy baby kangaroos so it was quite a bit heavier.
I only use them on keys i want to feel strange to press.

I couldn't imagine typing on Navys that are even heavier at
90g Peak
75g Operating
90g Bottom
although maybe the weird feel of Royals came from how sharp the peak was in combination with the weight.

TLDR. Beware they may be too heavy.

>>106445300
Yeah, I don't want them for general typing, just for:
>on keys i want to feel strange to press.
caps/scroll/num lock, maybe also insert and print screen

>>106443728
Box navies are what you're looking for. The box clickbar switches were never consistent enough to not annoy the shit outta me, but since you only want them for a couple keys it shouldn't be a problem.

>>106445013
I was more getting at that it doesn't matter what kind it has, I just want some kind of backlighting that can do all white under the keys. If one keyboard has some customizable backlight that can do strobing patterns or whatever else, great. If it's just one solid color, that's fine too. I just want it to be able to do all white

I have a 42-key mini dactyl. Currently running some cheapo MDA keycaps (like picrel). They are sculpted ABS, with only slightly spherical top. They are alright, but I have accidental presses while typing, and the texture isn't that enjoyable. Should I try DSA or XDA next, in PBT? I am also considering SA, as I dig the idea of a deep spherical well in the keycap, but I fear it will make my keyboard too tall and unwieldy. I don't care about colors or legends or the thock faggotry. Only care about typing comfort, feel and accuracy.
Perhaps anyone running a keycap mix on dactyl? Especially for the thumb clusters, to make them less tall? Actually thinking of trying SA on the keywells, and DSA on thumbs to do just that.

>>106445734
Logitech K845
Just does white with shine through keycaps.
60 bucks for cherry reds. I have this on one of my other computers and it's pretty solid although a little scratchy compared to the hall effect I use the majority of the time.

>>106445934
SA was too tall & the tops of the keycaps too wide for a dactyl IMO. Meant that you could easily hit keys adjacent to the one you were actually trying to hit. MT3 doesn't have this problem for me since it's a little bit shorter, and the keycap tops are smaller. DSA & KAM work well on a dactyl too.

>>106445734
Ok just as long as you're aware that backlighting looks retarded on cherry mx keyboards (pic related, turned the backlighting on my keychron on to demonstrate)

>>106446173
And this is what it's like trying to read the legends with the backlighting on: more difficult, not easier

>>106445982
Thanks, bud. Guess I won't be going with SA then. Don't have money for MT3 yet.

might just go for a q6 max off amazon so I can just return it in case it ends up being a dud, it looks like the only one that's got everything I want
>full sized
>full metal
>rgb backlight
>gasket mounted
>hot swappable switches
>tri-mode connectivity
anyone got any suggestions before I hit buy?

>>106446490
https://geon.works/products/force-brake-pad

>>106446490
Don't get the bananas, that's the important thing

Looking for angled coiled usb-c cables is a pain in the ass. Are the 90 degree adapters usable? I’m trying to find something that’s visually fitting with my K10 HE SE.

>>106448977
Have received troublingly little feedback from the sister, don't know whether she's enjoying these switches or not

>>106448996
No news is usually good news.

Want a good 70-80% mkb with RBG and a volume rocker. Should I spend $200 on this bitch or are there cheaper alternatives?

>>106449752
There are lots of cheap 75% rgb boards with knobs. 80% too. Don't know how many have shine-through caps or north-facing RGB though.

>>106449752
CORSAIR - K70 PRO TKL Wired Hall Effect is 130 USD. I don't think the switches are hot swappable on the Corsair but there is no reason to swap out hall effect switches... they should literally last a lifetime.
>>106450335
It's a hall effect.

>>106450423
>It's a hall effect.
You entered the Mechanical Keyboard General and said "Want a good 70-80% mkb with RBG and a volume rocker."

>>106446173
>>106446207
It looks fine. I'm not sure what you're talking about "the legends are harder to read" they're bright AF.

Besides the only time I ever really look at my keyboard is to find the home keys, otherwise I touch type.

>>106450448
>I'm not sure what you're talking about "the legends are harder to read"
I mean it's obvious to my eyes that the legends are easier to read when the backlight is off than when it is on, and the picture is meant to illustrate that when you look at it in thumbnail or blur your vision a little the legends become hard to make out because the light between the keys dominates visually.

>>106450447
I responded to the guy Looking at a SteelSeries Apex Pro TKL with OmniPoint 3.0 switches--OmniPoint 3.0 switches are hall effect.

Someone, I'm assuming you?, said there are a bunch of 75%s with bla bla bla--which there are--but they aren't hall effect. Hence I corrected them/you? and then recommended a cheaper version.

Mechanical keyboards are shit for gaming compared to hall effect anyways. They're fine for work but anyone who pretends they can hold a candle to hall effect keyboards is retarded and not worth listening to.

Anyways, again, I was responding the Apex anon about alternatives (which there aren't many).

>>106450461
>The legends are easier to read with the backlight off
You have eye problems. See an optometrist immediately.

You will come back to linears. It is inevitable.

>>106450478
>Mechanical keyboards are shit for gaming compared to hall effect anyways. They're fine for work but anyone who pretends they can hold a candle to hall effect keyboards is retarded and not worth listening to.
There are two kinds of gamers who buy this sort of shit (and there's always something new that you "need" to have an "edge"):
- Pros playing at the highest level who know this is a <1% improvement but for whom small incremental gains could make the difference
- Losers who struggle either because they are stupid or lazy, and believe because of marketing and hype that this will deliver the huge gains they're missing

Guess which one you are

>>106450649
I've been trying to stay in clickyland as long as I can take it and it definitely does wear on you after a while. I know someday I'll be back to the browns (we tactileheads consider them a linear so I'm agreeing with you)

>>106450882
Stop lying to yourself. Only linears are viable.

>>106450963
I've hit some of my all-time wpm records on my clicky keyboard the last few days, so I think it's perfectly usable... I just thought I'd be more desensitized to the sound and feel by now. It's still a lot

Why are Outemu switches so difficult to find and buy directly?

Would it be possible for me to solder on a new microcontroller for my 2013 Corsair K70 and gain QMK/VIA compatibility?

>>106452547
Use aliexpress, moron.

Next question.

>>106452761
Yes, but it requires a lot of skill and work to do. Also gaygle says that ATmega32U4 (arduino pro micro even with type c nowadays) is enough for 100% keeb. But all this hassle is not worth it.

>Budget
two fiddy to tree fiddy
>Location (continent at least)
US
>Preferred switch type
something like a cherry red, but im easily swayed on this if you feed me the right pill
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
100%
>Backlight
im a zoomer... so yes unfortunately, not too picky on specific backlight features just want a glow for my simple brain
>Previous/current keyboards
k70, k70, and of course... k70 (cherry red btw)

>>106450448
nta but what he's saying is also true to me without the legends being shine through they are harder to read because backlit kinda blind them and when I turn the backlit off they are so much better

>>106453682
This might sound excessive but this all-aluminum keyboard with a replacable top row legend strip (also programmable/optional rgb embedded underneath that strip) is going to be so sick, $370 at group buy then you just add $15 of stabilizers, $20-30 of basic gateron linears (very acceptable substitute for cherry reds) and some decent $35 keycaps and it'll be just about perfect.

wut r the best thocky linear switches?

>>106450653
The only thing you've elucidated is that you're poor and probably paid way to much for a mechanical keyboard because you follow fads and don't know anything about gaming.

It's also pretty cringe because you responded to someone by saying something stupid, got called on it, and now you're mad.... which is pretty funny.

>>106453838
Get your eyes checked and turn down the brightness on the keyboard.

I have two keyboards (different brands) with shine-through legends that I leave defaulted to white because it makes them easier to read.

I liked it so much I bought one for my vision impaired grandparents who touch type and they love it.

I can't comprehend why you people are so dedicated to being retarded but here we are. The only thing I can think of is you have shitty keyboards and or you have the brightness cranked up.

>>106455661
>you responded to someone by saying something stupid, got called on it
No idea what you're referring to

>and now you're mad
Yeah I tend to be in less of a good mood when people are shilling trendy gamer junk in the Mechanical Keyboard General, which is for mechanical keyboards

>>106455681
>I have two keyboards (different brands) with shine-through legends that I leave defaulted to white because it makes them easier to read.
The keyboard in the picture doesn't have shine-through legends. Maybe you need to get your eyes checked.

It's cool that these comments keep coming in pairs. It looks like both of the obnoxious imbeciles I'm arguing with are the same guy, which makes me feel a little better about the quality of discourse in here in general.

>>106450882
After a long time exploring keyboards, I've come to find that the only good clicky boards are buckling spring boards, in large part thanks to the actuation inherently being synced up with the click. Other clicky switches are fun to use, but I find them unsuitable for longterm writing or gaming (though I also don't play a lot of games on KB+M to begin with). My primary boards these days are my FSSK, and my Realforce R3S.

>>106455695
>People telling me I'm getting ripped off for buying mechanical keyboards because they're inferior in every way to Hall Effect and are ridiculously over priced annoy me.
Many such cases

I always am amused by "keyboard hobbits" because they're fucking retards. If you only type than mechanical keyboards are fine but for literally every other task hall effects are better.

There is no reason to ever pay more than 60 bucks for a mechanical keyboard--even with backlighting.

>>106456321
>If you only type than mechanical keyboards are fine but for literally every other task hall effects are better.
Isn't typing the main point of keyboards?

>>106456591
Not anymore. They're a tool interface and data entry device.

CAD developers and animators basically use the keyboard and mouse the same way gamers do and most data entry uses the num-pad most of the time.

Very few people actually "type" anything beyond a few sentences in an email or shitposts on forums.

I'm not "anti" mechanical keyboard I just think paying more than 60 bucks for one is retarded and keyboard "hobbiests" have driven up the prices of meme keyboards while misrepresenting their functionality.

Hall effect are nice because you can adjust the actuation point which is very very handy for certain software interfaces. You can than push one button to switch profiles for typing an email or whatever.

are there any good low profile 100% boards? why is every fucking keyboard 75%?

my wrists hurt and buying a wrist rest to use my keyboard is gay, I'm annoyed that I have to get one. I literally don't care about sound which seems to be the only benefit to having some tall thick boy.

>>106432532
I got one of those AliExpress Corne v4s recently.
Liking it so far. I'm learning to touch type at the same time so it's a little slow going for now.
I believe the silakka54 is very similar, just with a dedicated number row.

>>106454341
appreciate that, i like the overall aesthetic definitely, but desu I am kinda more of a fan of some plastic vs paying the premium for an all-aluminum base. call it my nostalgia from rocking those shitty molded plastic compaq keyboard from the 00's
will keep an eye out for a similar aesthetic but with some good 'ol plastic (its in my blood you know)

Anyone using nordic layout? any good 75% recs around €100? or brands

>Budget
300
>Location (continent at least)
us
>Preferred switch type
cherry mx black
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
Full keyboard
>Backlight
rgbfag lights preferably, backlight at minimum
>Previous/current keyboards
current is ducky shine 5

what's good for vidya these days? water damage from years ago is starting to take its toll

>>106446657
What a joke, just cut off a few strips of electrical tape if you need to do that. Matches the color too.

>>106450649
I won't though.
>>106450882
Hasn't happened to me yet. Linears are just too boring to type on. Most modern tactiles suck too. Mid press tactility, all the way. Browns, Clears, Penguins, Naevies and clickbars, please.

>>106454341
Looks nice overall, but I can't justify not having 108 keys now. I've gotten too used to using that or knobs/rollers for volume control, the latter being the best, but I can cope with 4 keys above the numpad.
They should have taken a page out of the board it was inspired from and had 4 keys above the numpad too, instead of placing a gay little badge there for no reason.

>>106457009
Low profile won't solve the fact that you're a limp wristed faggot. The high angle keyboard is easier on the wrists as well.

>>106458073
>What's good for vidya these days
Hall effect. Only a moron would pay 300 for a mechanical keyboard much less use it for gaming.

>>106458194
ok but what's a good keyboard to get

anyone here rocking an iris se?

is wooting two HE an actual good board for gaming or am I falling for shill bots?

>>106458209
Ignore >>106458183 the HE snake oil shill and just get a keyboard with 1000hz polling rate of your choosing.
>>106458510
Yes, you are.
Mind you, it's still a serviceable keyboard, but HE doesn't do anything in the real world. The HE faggot shills that frequent this general are known to post videos from retards like that Optimum as "proof", who is literally a Wooting shill, and I mean that in the truest sense. He has partnerships with them along with other HE keyboards, posts affiliate links to get money, etc.
Don't fall for hypetranny shit, guys.

>>106458584
i'll look around then;
im guessing keychron is a another shill brand? seeing as wooting and keychron are the ones that pop up a gorillion times when trying to look shit up

>>106458584
>Just pay 300 USD for a mechanical keyboard
LOL
>>106458510
They are better in every way than mechanical keyboards.
>>106458209
There aren't many on the market and all of them are pretty good. Don't fall for the "need hot swappable" keys meme because a hall effect key will outlast you. The only real issue are the backlight LEDs which are an issue an all keyboards not just the hall effect ones.

>>106458584
Ask me how I know you're a fat female.

>>106458094
I've done that, and I've done the Geon force break pads. The Geon pads work better.

>>106457009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xS7EzEKScs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyMNyrOHJQ

https://nuphy.com/collections/keyboards/products/air96-v2

>>106458616
They are, but as I said all you need is just something with 1000hz polling rate, so you can buy whatever you want. Ignore all the snake oil BS about adjustable actuation that does nothing except make misinputs easier, and has no real world, provable benefit besides e-celeb faggots with financial interests saying it does.
>>106458626
>>106458642
>strawman retardation + seethe
Licking HE companies' balls for gift cards doesn't make your recommendations good. There's literally no advantage to using HE boards for gayming unless you're playing games that don't ban SOCD and have dogshit movement systems, like CS. Spoiler, faggots: most popular games do, including CS.

>email Ep◯maker asking about QMK support on their GK6X series boards
>"We hear you, bro! ........."
>email R◯yal Kludge asking about QMK support on their L/S series boards
>"Mmmmm—no."

>Keychron equivalents are literally 200-350% more expensive locally

>>106459044
https://yaowei.dev/posts/usb-to-usb-converter/

>>106456768
Data entry still sounds like typing to me, and I feel like CAD devs and animators are a very minor group.
The prices often do seem out there for me too, but I think I'd put the bar a but higher.
How actually useful is customizable actuation point? It sounds to me like it might be more confusing than anything.
The most interesting part of HE for me is thr analogue input, but that doesn't seem well supported, at least yet.

>>106456768
Did you ever try to get a job, miserable piece of subhuman trash?
>he complains about 60 bucks
Holy fucking cow, just kill yourself, brownoid from third-world shit-hole.

>>106456768
You are breathlessly hyping a very minor feature while valuing all aesthetic considerations at zero. Most people don't feel this way. I like that my keyboard looks and sounds good, and actually that's a big deal for a lot of people, whereas being able to switch on the fly between 1mm actuation depth and 2mm actuation depth is something 99% of people wouldn't even bother doing if they could.

want to get a numpad, do i get yellow or red switches? i use a numpad for some 3d modeling shortcuts and mostly for drawing keybinds, ive only used red and blue gateron switches before, it doesnt really matter which one i pick

>>106461331
Try yellows, why not.

>>106457132
>I believe the silakka54 is very similar, just with a dedicated number row.
Basically yes. I ended up just buying the silakka, if I don't like it at least it wasn't that expensive. I was thinking about it a lot but in the end I see no way of knowing other than just testing it.
I'm also learning proper home row since last week. My ghetto technique got the job done more or less but I always felt a bit limited. I can write a few words quickly but then just lose my position on the keyboard. Hope that won't be happening anymore with proper technique.

>>106461331
yellows are just slightly heavier reds, closer to cherry red

>>106443808
Got my keyboard. Feels weird to type on compared to my generic Dell but I don't hate it. Can someone recommend a good switch sample pack? I'm used to full keyboards so it's gonna take some time to adjust. I'm not much of an RGBfag but the different lighting effects are pretty cool.

>>106462841
These keycaps look awful.

>>106462841
I tried doing sample switch packs and it gave me very wrong ideas about what switches I wanted. This section from the switch guide in the OP is relevant:
https://rentry.org/mkg_switches#testing-switches

>>106463600
All shine-through caps look awful, always. It's pretty much unavoidable. He's enjoying his RGB right now, give him some time for the novelty to wear off before you start giving him the hard truths

Yeah I'm not a fan of how difficult it is to see the letters when the lights are off. I'll probably replace them in a few weeks.

>>106452824
>Use aliexpress, moron.
enjoy your scam

>>106427724
>6 on left hand

>>106457009
Keychron makes flat full size boards. I haven't tested one properly, but at least the K5 has pretty good reviews:
https://www.rtings.com/keyboard/reviews/keychron/k5-max-k1-max-k3-max-etc

god what is up with modern keyboards? its either featureless minimalism for super cheap or over designed bloat for outragous prices. all i want is the feature set of a G710+ but new and not $200 wtf.

>>106456768
>CAD developers and animators basically use the keyboard and mouse the same way gamers do
It's not a bad point, but there's a large difference which is that there is never a moment during use of CAD where failing to do something 5ms faster than your opponent causes you to fail rather than succeed. So while in some sense you can usefully compare CAD to a video game, it's completely ridiculous to suggest that a hall effect keyboard will be as beneficial to a CAD user as it is to a serious competitive gamer.

>>106465075
>All I want is the feature set of [keyboard that cost $210 at release when adjusted for inflation] but new and not $200 wtf

>>106465130
yes.jpg
saying the same thing i said with other words doesnt make it less valid.

>Budget
$100-200
>Location
Scandinavia/ISO layout
Linear/tactile
>Backlight
Dont care
>Previous/current keyboards
Aula F75. I liked it but couldn't get used to the ANSI layout. Just looking for something that gives a good out-of-the-box sound

>>106465168
Doesn't Redragon have a bunch of boards that are basically what you're asking for? backlit full-size mechanical keyboards with multimedia controls and macro keys?

e.g. https://redragonshop.com/products/yama-k550

>>106465558
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003364462523.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007307683294.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008654061047.html
some assembly required

>>106465558
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-v1-qmk-custom-mechanical-keyboard-iso-layout-collection?variant=40283343487065

>>106466248
Is this a troll

>>106466955
Are keychrons good? Thought they were kind of a meme, or im thinking of akko

>>106426310 (OP)
Ordered a topre keyboard to try out last week. Why not, right? Package shows up today, theres a sticker on it that says "Inspected by carrier". Weird, never had this happen. Open it up, keys work fine, but then start playing around with the case and notice the entire keyboard is sliding around within the case. Then I turn it upside down and shattered plastic pieces come dropping out, presumably some clips that were broken when they opened it up. Now I have a busted keyboard and get to do all the return claim admin with the seller and carrier... guess this is a sign to just save up for a Model F or M instead

>>106426310 (OP)
Looking for a 100% keyboard with:
> numpad to left of main area
> page up/down and arrow keys to right of main area
> extra functon key to left of space bar
> key caps with clear backlight area for text and also braille so I can type in the dark

Thoughts? Am I a fag?

>>106465991
yeah that looks perfect actually. nice find.

>>106466981
Why would that be a troll

>>106468187
>Thoughts?
"Good luck"

>>106468233
I am an /mkg/ regular: I exist only to serve.

Which are better metal or plastic frames for keyboards? Also, are silent keyboards a meme?

>>106468652
depends on the sound and weight you want of a keyboard

metal chassis are usually quieter, heavier, and subjectively higher quality

plastic chassis are louder, deeper pitched, and can be high quality but you can also get cheap looking pos

most of the custom market focused on specific layouts or makers will be using metal chassis, plastic are typically OEM but it depends. the more esoteric stuff will usually be made for metal chassis

silent switches can be good, just depends.

>>106468652
>Which are better metal or plastic frames for keyboards
Depends. Metal will stay more beautiful over time, but I don't know if anyone knows how long these PCBs will last. For sound, linears and tactiles do sound better on some metal boards I think, but hollow plastic can sound good for some other kinds of switches, especially clickies and, according to some, topre rubber domes too.

Metal is heavier, which is better in some ways and worse in others which should be obvious and doesn't need to be explained by me.

The finishes on aluminum tend to be nicer than the finishes on cheap injection ABS, but you can get nicely finished boards made of e.g. Polycarbonate.

There's something really special about metal, we all know that. We sometimes forget there can be really nicely-done plastics. I'm not prepared to decide which one is better, but most of my keyboards are made of aluminum. Maybe someday I'll get a polycarbonate one, or acrylic...

>Also, are silent keyboards a meme?
Depends on your workplace or your spouse. I don't love them but they do what it says on the tin.

Has anyone bought prebuilt boards from keebio before? Is there 90 day return policy legit? There's a couple of weird form factor boards I'd like to try out but don't really want to be out a couple hundred dollars if it doesn't work out for me.

>>106468727
What do you plan to do in those 90 days?

>>106468737
>>106468727
Actually nvm my question. Instead, I'd just shoot them an email. Explain that you want to try a keyboard layout and you're not totally ready to commit. Get a confirmation (or denial) ahead of the purchase that their 90-day return policy applies to your situation. Worst case scenario it'd be great ammo against them.

>>106468727
They seem to have the Reddit Seal of Approval
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/90knd5/keebio_an_appriciation/

>>106468737
Use the keyboard. Test it out and see if it works for me. I tried out a Kinesis for 60 days and was able to return it for a full refund since it was giving me weird finger strain.

>>106468750
Yeah I'll probably just do this. The way the policy is written it sounds like it will be fine, but it's a little bit ambiguous.

>>106468783
>but it's a little bit ambiguous.
If you're wondering about the "assembled" bit I believe that applies to boards you pay for them to assemble from parts, since they cannot then take them apart and re-sell that solder pcb as new.

>>106468786
I'd say "in a similar condition that you received it" is also a little ambiguous.

I'd videotape the unboxing just in case there are any defects out-of-the-box, same as you'd take pictures when you rent a car.

>>106317115
This is the last time I buy chink shit, the keyboard doesn't work. I tried both wireless and wired, the keyboard turns on but my pc doesn't recognize shit. I tried installing the drivers from the official page but they don't work.

Nice, returning this will be a bitch and a half.

>>106468978
Fuck, really? Connecting it by a wire it doesn't even work?

>>106468988
Nope. The lights turn on and everything, even turned my pc off expecting a driver might pop off or something. Its late and I will try tomorrow, I am either missing the dumbest thing or its just chink stuff doing chink stuff.

>>106468988
>>106468999
I think something might be just fried on the inside, according to the instructions pressing Fn + ert should make the lights pop if there is no pairing and it doesn't even do that.

>>106468999
I guess that's the last time I ever recommend Akko. They were on thin ice anyway with all the shit I've heard about their switches failing.

I don't understand why they'd invest in redesigning the M1W to fit all the current memes for keyboard design and just negelect to make their PCB fucking work

>>106469033
I will try tomorrow on a laptop and another pc. If it doesnt work yeah, shit company. I dont even know how to return this shit.

>>106464816
Yea, you get used to it. Ctrl is also where caps lock was, as it should be.

>>106469033
>I don't understand why they'd invest in redesigning the M1W to fit all the current memes for keyboard design and just negelect to make their PCB fucking work
They are Chinese.

The Logitech PRO X TKL RAPID is perfect, except for the lack of QMK/VIA support. Wut do

>>106470483
>[available product] is perfect, except for [fatal flaw]
Welcome to the keyboard hobby

>>106470589
help me. I just want a TKL with dedicated multimedia keys and QMK/VIA support

>>106445300
KWAB
I dailied royals for nearly 2 years and I'm a wristlet

God I fucking love a little shine keycaps

>>106470673
Get a seperate macropad/numpad for multimedia