Thread 106447990

>>106401320
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)

Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards, tactile feel and quiet + the TrackPoint
>Great durability: magnesium roll cage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support

ThinkWiki - General info about ThinkPads/specs
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

Model generations:
>Classic IBM: T40, T41, T42
>IBM/Lenovo Transition: T43, T60, T61 (T42 - T43: significant difference in specs)
>"Classic" Lenovo: T400, T410, T420 (T61 - T400: 4:3 to 16:10)
>Transition to old modern: T430, T440, T450 (T420 - T430: membrane to chiclet)
>Old modern: T460, T470, T480 (T450 - T460: significantly less thick)
>New modern: T490, T14g1, T14g2 (T480 - T490: design change)
>New new modern: T14g3, T14g4, ... (T14g2 - T14g3: second design change)

BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org/downloads.html
https://libreboot.org/docs/install/
https://canoeboot.org/docs/install/

Additional resources:
https://dankpads.com/tpg/
https://biosimage.booru.org
https://1vyra.in

Patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec

Chat:
##ibmthinkpad on libera
#/tpg/ on rizon

I think Thinkpad SUCKS!

>>106447990 (OP)
T540 on a dock
Mint loonix, latest stable whatever
Doesn't recognize screen when dock is reconnected, only connects the first time it's docked.
Is this perchance a common problem that has been solved 13 years ago?

>>106448652
Same thing happens with my X200. I don't think there's a solution other than rebooting.

>>106448525
>t. NSA when find my RAM & ROM secured by epoxy.

>>106448687
You did help me in a way.
Got me thinking why not just restart the monitor instead of reboot the whole thing.
>xrandr --output eDP-1-2 --off
>xrandr --output eDP-1-2 --left-of eDP-1 --auto
>check names with xrandr --listmonitors
Dick around with udev and make it trigger this on dock.

>>106371225
I got my C13. First impressions are good. aluminum shell and lid, feels very solid. Display is gorgeous (from my limited experience).

Loading the modified coreboot CFW from MrChromebox/Chrultrabook project was simple. Put Debian 13 with KDE on there. It's a Ryzen 3700C w/16GB RAM and 256GB Nvme.

Audio setup had a minor hitch. Short version, had to symlink a config file that gets installed to the wrong folder.

The Chromebook keyboard is a little odd, but I can adjust. There's another script in the chrultrabook documentation to get F1-11 keys on the top row instead of the Chromebook function keys.

Haven't fooled with screen rotation/pen input yet but it's next on my testing list after I install a few creature comforts and configure the DE behavior.

Very, very close in size to my old X230, and smaller than the salvaged L390Y I fixed and will eventually pass on to somebody else.

(X230 top in stack, C13 under that, L390Y bottom)

>>106448781
Why would the NSA be after you?

is the t14s gen 4 still worth getting? it's on sale for about €1000 at lenovo

>16 inch 2560x1600 at 165hz
or
>14.5 inch 3800x1920 at 120hz

?

>>106450925

im retarded i meant 3072x1920

>just purchased T14 G2 on local marketplace
>the seller is out of it so they gonna send me L14 G2 R5 with some cashback
how fucked am I?

16 inch... bigger screen and a resolution that will not require you to scale UI

couple days ago got my first thinkpad for 70$ its x230 with dock
love it

>>106450428
Only if you needs that extra performance. The "buying 3+ years old Thinkpad" meta gives more bang for your bucks.

>>106450949
Only drawbacks are shallower keyboard and smaller battery

>>106452039
Didn't they all get the shallower keyboard with G2 anyways? btw I have an L14 G5 and it's not too bad IMO, then again I don't have a comparison to the previous version and the only other StinkPad that I have is a T420.

>>106452232
T14/T15/L13/P15/P17 kept 1.8mm for G2 afaik

Can I use a ThinkPad for gaming?

>>106452561
I played Minecraft and GTA:SA on a T420, so the question is what do you mean by "gaming".

>>106452567
Counter Strike 2 and shit like that.

>>106452665
You can run CS2 on a potato. You'll probably be disappointed by the pixel response time and screen refresh unless you're using an external monitor.

>>106447990 (OP)
I have a T460, only issue is in a have a docking station and laptop has no USB-C. What's a baste Thinkpad model that has USB-C ports and still has Ethernet port?

>>106453093
Depends on the budget really:
>T480
>P/T14 Gen 2
>P/T14 Gen 5 (AMD)

these are the usual recommendations. Otherwise consider getting a dock with an ethernet jack.

>>106448856
How is the temps? I've been thinking of getting C13 since no one sells thinkpad yoga with ryzen here. Mine L13 is basically an oven

Are Zbooks typically built better than Elitebooks?

>>106452561
you can play no games on thinkpad, it's business machine

>768p
>quad core 1.8 ghz
>8gb ram
Wtf is this crap, whats the best MODERNLY SPECCED thinkpad? Don’t care if it is soldered

>>106455638
Take your pick of the latest P1 (16"), P14s Intel (14.5"), T14s (14") or X13 (13").

Not that you can't get nearly modern specs in models up to 4-5 years old, you just have to read listings carefully and maybe buy some ram on your own.

Are there any good 13" (or smaller) thinkpads? My current laptop (15") barely fits on the tray table on an airplane

>>106455118
I've been meaning to look at those, it's on my list. I'll get some stats for you later tonight.

Touch input works, trying to figure out why the pen doesn't at the moment.

>>106452773
>You can run CS2 on a potato
This was true of CSGO but not CS2. I tried playing on a 3200g with 16 gigs of ram, I was getting 30-60 fps with constant microstutter and screen tearing. The update forced me out of the game

>>106456071
Nothing smaller than 13" unless you get into tablet shit/detachable keyboard models. But 13" screen doesn't mean all 13" models have the same physical dimensional footprint. Z13 and X1 Nano are very small 13" laptops with tiny bezels, there's like an inch or more difference between them and say, an L13. An X13 is somewhere in between and will vary from generation to generation.

what is the bare minimum thinkpad for running a light home server for local fileshare, dns, video streaming and game server hosting?

>>106456646
X220/W520/T430, or if you're poor and don't need USB 3, T410 etc. Anything older will have trouble transcoding video.

>>106447990 (OP)
Just bought this piece of shit after drinking /g/ koolaid.
>cheap plastic gets fingerprints everywhere
>trackpad inaccurate
>windows lol
>mouse 1 and 2 cheap, loud
>can't open from closed position without two hands

For $500 you can just buy a used mbp that blows this piece of shit out of the water. Using Windows is a total nightmare, even after downgrading from 11 to 10. I could run Linux, but I'm straight, don't wear thigh high socks nor do I have a crippling need to feel unique.

do not recommend

>>106453093
T480 or A485 if you prefer AMD. I have both, happy with both
>>106456646
you're not gonna need a lot for a home server. I'd still recommend something a bit newer than a x230 if you're gonna do video streaming because hardware encoding is nice on slightly more recent machines (I can't remember if sandy/ivy have h264 hw encoding or not)
like for my other quote look into those 2 models, especially for game server hosting since you'll be able to put more RAM inside them (they can take 64GB). more RAM can also be useful for filesharing if you're gonna use zfs, and they can both hw encode h264/h265
>>106456947
>I could run Linux, but I'm straight, don't wear thigh high socks
Artix might be up your alley then. it's Linux but for straight chuds (not using that as an insult, I use Artix myself). and if you're straight why would you want a Mac anyway? do I need to remind you that both Steve Blowjobs and Tim Cock were/are faggots?

picked up a pair of cheap t470s, i7-6600u 8gig of ram and running windows 11 pro, but damn its pretty slow. im thinking of installing some linux distro to it, currently use it for school going through electrical engineering so i should probably get some experience in linux. Also want to replace the batteries as they are getting weak and im only getting maybe 2 hours of very light use out of the thing.

>>106457005
I'd only swap the external battery for now if I were you. you can find 72Wh batteries on ebay for like 45usd. bought 2 of those for my Thinkpads and I get pretty good battery life out of them (my internal batteries both have roughly 20Wh capacity out of 24)

>>106457042
mine only has the 2 internal batteries, i think its the regular t470 that uses an external type battery.

>>106456975
>and if you're straight why would you want a Mac anyway
Because it's literally the white working man's product of choice because... it just works. People that are actually building shit are using vscode on a mbp. People that talk about building shit are running linux.

>>106457131
>Mac
>straight white
pick one because mac sure as shit isnt the poster child of white and straight. More geared to the brownoid lgbtqhjhfyskjsntu++ crowd

>>106457104
ah when you said "a pair of cheap t470s" I thought you meant two T470, not the T470s model kek
>>106457131
if only you knew how bad things really are

>>106447990 (OP)
>theres a thinkpad general
are you fucking serious? why? is this for personal cloud/NAS shit? i coudl not think of a single reason otherwise

>>106457191
ahh ya i see that now lol.
seems like the only good place to buy a battery is ifixit but damn im not sure i want to drop 120 bucks on a pair of batteries for a 100 dollar laptop

>>106457273
Thinkpads are very comfy to use
>>106457324
are you able to tell me the SKU of the 2 batteries inside yours? I'll check if the ebay seller I buy my batteries from has them. just looking for "t470s" I can only find the top one, not the larger one at the bottom

>>106457348
ThinkPad T470s Front Battery - 00HW022
T470s Rear Battery - 01AV462
although my rear says 01av405 but i thing the 462 is just an updated part

>>106457384
I was looking and I managed to find both, the 01av405 also goes by 00hw024 it seems
top battery: https://www.ebay.com/itm/384267889197
bottom battery: https://www.ebay.com/itm/384389784930
my two Thinkpads have batteries I bought from that seller (one is ~10 months old, the other one I received last week) and I've had no issues with them so far. picrel is the older one, in 10 months it lost 2.5Wh, sounds acceptable to me (ignore the reported design capacity though, it's just my power manager reporting it wrong, sometimes it changes it to 24 or 72 too kek)

>>106457273
It's as simple as Thinkpad design team still being primarily from Japan.

>>106457428
Thank you. just ordered them for one of the laptops. hopefully this helps improve the battery life so I can get through one lab session without having to charge it. Well im off to try and install linux for my first time, pic related.

Can I put thinkpad's trackpad sticker on a Latitude? Dell's trackpad feels like a sandpaper in comparison to thinkpad, holy shit

I was thinking of getting a cheap laptop to do some coding and retro gaming while I'm at work. Could i get some recommendations or links for a good thinkpad between $150-$200?

Been using Dell Latitudes (14-15", I7, Quadro) for the past 15 years because my former employer.
When they're past extended warranty, I manage to keep them for personal use, upgrade them a bit until.
Now my family is asking me 4 so wanted to give it a try to Thinkpads. Requisites:
- 15" ideal, 14" minimum
- Compatible with Mint and Win11
- Not very old/underpowered (I7 ideal) so i can upgrade them later
- Usb3/thunderbolt to use Dell D6000 dock

Where should i start? T14/15? What gen?

>>106456114
>>106455118
temps seem fine. about 36C on boot up/idle. Put on a Youtube video in 1440p and let it run for a few minutes, it only ever hit about 47C. If I scrub around in it, it will go up to around 50.

Anything in particular you want me to test?

The keyboard is taking a little getting used to. I think I'm going to remap a few more keys. I don't need the "lock" button (i'll just let it auto-lock on idle or shut the lid), but I do need a Delete key, lol. I only realized it later that the workflow Chromebook keyboards want you to use is the "Search [Left Meta] + Backspace" and that's just not going to do.

No Caps Lock is also kind of weird (again, it's the Search/Meta button for this keyboard). I think I'll remap it to capslock like a normal keyboard. I use a Model M at my desk so I've never used a Meta key in my life, all my keyboard shortcuts rely on shiff/ctrl/alt modifiers.

Any non-poorfags looking forward to this?

>>106456071
Very happy with my Z13 after years of carrying around a P50.
It's smaller than an A4 sheet and quite thin.

>>106459494
Looks like the same flawed designs as in the 2024 models. Soldered wifi across the board, pointlessly bottom-loaded keyboards, pointlessly missing Ethernet on the most expensive ones.

If they made one with E-series modularity, T-series CPU choices and replaceable keyboard, and P-series build materials, I'd buy it new.

>>106460204
They are bringing back ethernet port at the very least. We'll see if the wifi card is still soldered or not

>>106447990 (OP)
>New modern
ThinkPad T14s Gen 1 – Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U | 16GB RAM | 256GB SSD | 14" FHD @ 250€. Is it worth it?

>>106461706
Only if you're sure you won't need more than 16 GB. Soldered, no slots.

>>106461761
I actually think I'll go for a non s version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvRVTli-Lb8

>>106461706
yes but keep in mind that Ryzen 5 5650U is better. If you can get a G2 R5 with similar price you better snitch that one

>>106462041
I found a gen2 for 100€ more but I still wish to replace the keyboard to an US ANSI model and this >>106461804 video made me desist. There's also the added benefit of a better air cooling on a non S model. For instance I found a t14 gen 1 at 280€

>>106461804
ha. that vid

I have the t14 (non-S) gen1 Ryzen Pro 4750U w/32GB RAM and 1TB samsung 970evo
It's a decent machine except Lenovos BIOS will drain battery even if OFF.
It loses about 50% charge per week being off but if you disconnect the battery via the BIOS that goes down to like less than 5%.
Just a stupid odd quirk of the system that Lenovo never straightened out. Support will say absurd things like its a driver problem that the BIOS slurps battery even when off.
Anyway.. It's been a decent machine for me but it doesnt game that well
It's barely OK at fortnight, and other games like Rust are basically unplayable.
I bought it hoping that the built in Vega graphics would let me get some gaming done... but anything more than retro games is going to be tough.

Just thought I'd share

>>106462229
>Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen2 Ryzen 5 Pro 2.3GHz 16GB 256GB @ 500€ or x3 166€/mo + 9€ delivery
>Laptop Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 2A Ryzen 5 Pro 16GB 256GB SSD NVMe FHD Touch W11P @ 380€ or x3 128€/mo + 40€ delivery
There are other options which work for my budget but I am unsure how much better gen 2 is over gen 1. My only gaming use case is casual team fortress 2 or running games in android emulator. I'll eventually build a desktop for gaming but I really need a laptop for everyday use (programming/media consumption)

>>106462229
>I bought it hoping that the built in Vega graphics would let me get some gaming done
T14 G3 has 10x better iGPU performance but they drop a lot of features since then. No more ultradock port, no more sd card reader, different keyboard.

>>106463249
Lenovo seems to treat AMD systems like 2nd class citizens.

Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 3 15.6" Touchscreen Laptop - Arctic Grey (AMD Ryzen 7 5825U/16GB RAM/512GB SSD) 82XM00TECF
is this ok? I just want something that will werk with linux and has a decent battery life. Thinkpads aren't in stock at my local store but this is

>>106462333
There is a small performance difference but what's most noticeable is the battery life. G2 lasts almost 1.5x as long as G1 with light use.

>>106464242
If it'll stay at home most of the time, it's probably okay. Don't buy anything consumer ("small business" included) if you'll be carrying it in a backpack regularly or opening and closing it more than twice a day.

page 9 bump

If anyone with an AES 2 touchscreen display is looking for a stylus, the HP Rechargeable Active Pen G3 costs $10 on eBay.
https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/electronics-and-accessories/briefs-summaries/Dell_Pen_Compatibility_Brochure.pdf
If it supports 4096 pressure levels, it's AES 2. The PDF lists newer Inspirons with 1024 pressure levels that don't support the PN7522W pen (AES 1+2, while WGP is shown on some pages but not all?), or the PN350M (MPP). I'm assuming they support WGP pens.

I just bought a Chinkpad T480, can't wait till it arrives :3

What's the most modern Thinkpad I should buy that has a reasonable price?

>>106469254
I'm partial to the X1 carbon.
Maybe a yoga variant if thats your jam.
But you can get X1 with 16GB RAM and 500GB drive for $200-400 depending on generation and config.

I just bought a X1 gen 10 16GB RAM, 500GB SSD, 1920x1200 display, i7-1260p for $350 on craigslist last week.

previously I bought a 6th gen x1 for $200 with a quadcore and a 1440 display. Gave it to my pops when I upgraded.

>>106459494
The AMD options are the only choice at this point given how Intel is flailing about

test

I'm looking for a laptop that has a 1366x768 panel but a relatively recent cpu, at least 10 000+ cpu mark.
Is it possible to find something like this?
Basically, high dpi screens really fuck with my eyes, making them constantly refocus. I've been using a 1366x768 laptop for 8 years then switched to a newer laptop with a 1920x1080 screen and started having severe eye strain, with my myopia worsening in the span of 2 months.
I can only comfortably use a low-res screen, it seems. How would you get out of this predicament bros

>>106469757
I don't think DPI is the issue here. PWM is.
Modern panel controls brightness by rapidly turning the screen on and off. Try set the brightness to max and see if it helps.

>>106469776
I did consider this, and found that the new 1920x1080 laptop I used actually didn't have PWM. Currently, I have a Mac Air 15 M4 side by side with a thinkpad e15 (with 1920x1080) from work, and the difference is night and day. It's like when looking at thinkpad screen, I perceive the information being displayed "immediately", while on mac, my eyes constantly refocus on each part of the screen to be able to read. And scaling doesn't help.
With this thinkpad e15 it's also not perfect, with prolonged usage I still get fatigue.

Which model supports 4k 60hz output?

>>106447990 (OP)
I come back here every now and then to thanks /g/ for giving me the impetus to buy an actually useful and reliable laptop.

I have literally killed my thinkpad and brought it back to life. I spilled tea inside the vents where it shorted the ACPI. I tore the thing down, I wiped it, isopropyl'd it, and waited a while. It's been working fine ever since. There are plenty of other instances where say, my bag was mistreated and the battery casing was busted. Lo and behold, a quick replacement was available. Another time the keyboard was broken. A key replacement was there. I wanted to swap to azerty: easily done. I needed more ports: here's a cheap dock. Chargers are cheap and plentiful. I know that when I need to move to nu-thinkpad I'll probably suffer, but I'll stay on this laptop for a long while yet.

>>106469757
>I'm looking for a laptop that has a 1366x768 panel but a relatively recent cpu, at least 10 000+ cpu mark.
X13/L13/L14 G1 AMD with R5 or R7, plenty of HD+ panels on those models

>>106469757
>with my myopia worsening in the span of 2 months
why are you asking us about screens?
if you could actually notice your myopia getting worse in such a short span as an adult then there's something incredibly fucked up with your eyes and likely general health. go to the doctor man

Which thinkpad you guys swear by? Is it the t480? I'm a student.

thinkbump

>>106470717
Every model is a compromise, it's up to you to pick one that has the features you need. For this budget and screen size the choice is pretty much between T480, T480s, T470p and T495.

>>106469757
>>106469776
nowadays the problem is often not PWM. that problem has been mostly fixed, although you do still find screen that do it. some newer screen tech is reintroducing it.
the real problem is a thing called temporal (time-based) dithering. basically, the gpu and/or monitor flicker individual pixels back and forth in order to simulate a broader range of colors.
it is very similar to PWM, but the actual mechanism and purpose is different. at the end of the day you are still dealing with what is effectively a quickly flashing light in your eyes. no wonder you feel unwell.
temporal dithering is done on both gpus and monitors themselves. i believe ever modern gpu does it by default and it is difficult or impossible to disable. some monitors do, and others don't.
this is all done so that computers can display more color. as if anyone actually gives a shit. brainless nerds and marketing dorks have destroyed computing. imagine a whole group of people designing hardware or software and not one of them stops to think that perhaps rapid flickering might have a negative effect on our eyes or brain.
it's a complicated topic and not all flickering is bad. it just depends on the frequency of the flickering and the persistence of the light, ie: does it go strictly off and on like an LED or does it pulsate like an incandescent bulb. i am still learning about it and how to deal with it.
consider yourself lucky to be in the elite minority that has the highly attuned nervous system necessary to even perceive this shit. consider yourself unlucky that there are so few of us that manufacturers and developers do not give a shit about us and will continue to produce headache inducing hardware and software.
eventually we will be totally unable to use phones or computers.

bamp

>>106459116
Look what they done to my boy.
>C13 keyboard vs stock X230 keyboard

It's not (quite) as bad as it looks. I have no citation for this but all keyboards have shrunk at some point, or at least have on the X series. To me the shallower key travel hurts more than a 10% reduction in key size/spacing.

Is there a modern thinkpad that has a swappable keyboard?

>>106477555
T14/T16/P series in general.
If you consider removing 50 screws to be valid, X1 series too.

>>106448652
>>106448687
I would have issues where I'd undock and the laptop would go to sleep. Later I would try to open it up and I could not get the built-in display to come back. I either had to hard reset or plug back into the dock to get a display. (Not fun when I just arrived at a client). I think I may have solved it by mirroring the built-in and external display when docked. This is in KDE on my T540p. Not sure if that helps, but might point you in the right direction. I think it was expecting the same display configuration when waking up?

Can you get 11 gen intel for $100 on any models?

>>106470717
Wouldn't go below T14 gen 1 these days. Would probably get a T14 gen2 with a ryzen 5650U since those are now like $250 usd. My 4650u has been awesome and despite T14 being "worse quality" than the old ones, they're still quite solid and tough compared to whatever else. The performance and battery life, heat improvement going to the ryzens is better than any hot swappable battery. Don't need to swap when I get 8hrs+.

>>106478045
nope lmao
L15, yes L15 G2 with R5 5650U for 180-200 bucks is the absolute cheapest model with the same cpu generation on the market right now. Obviously it will blow the shit out of i7 gen 11 performance.

is thinkbook okay to buy? What is the difference of ideapad, thinkpad, thinkbook?

I just browse 4chan and listen to music on my laptop.

>>106478659
>ideapad
poorfag laptop
>thinkbook
slightly less poorfag laptop
>thinkbook plus
one overpriced gimmick per gen laptop
>thinkpad E/L series
poorfag laptop that is meant to be bought in bulk for business
>thinkpad T/P/X series
nobody here can afford it. Buy a second hand one from ebay

>>106478750
what do you consider a reasonable laptop. Mine had 2 core, 8gb memory, integrated graphics.

The thinkbook I'm looking at has like 6 cores, 16gb memory, integrated graphics, and 512 or 1 tb of storage.

>>106478890
A T480 from ebay will do. Don't pay for than $200 for one.
You can buy a Thinkpad as new as T14 Gen 2 but don't pay more than $300.

>>106478890
Consult the OP and start using model names or we can't help you.

>>106448652
HP USB-C Dock G5

>>106478946
https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/p/laptops/thinkbook/thinkbook-series/lenovo-thinkbook-16-gen-7-16-inch-amd/21mw009gus
vs
https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/thinkpad-t14-gen-6-14-inch-amd/21qj00cqus

Got a latitude not too long ago and recently added an extra line to my cell plan which with a discount gave me a fourth line that essentially pays for itself. Dawned on me that my latitude has a Sim card slot which would be perfect when I'm on sites with no WiFi and I'd normally have to hotspot my phone while usually on a call.
> pop the card in
> update all the drivers
> no wwan
> open up
> no wwan card
And the damn thing has only got 1 GB of RAM too, no wonder the thing chugs along for support having to remote in.
At least these issues have probably made me hundreds of dollars on wait time alone

>>106479234
If you show up to a site with a laptop with 1gb of RAM I'd help the owner physically throw you out. Invest in some decent tools man, that's what makes you money.

Disclaimer: you get a free pass if you're connecting up to 1970s logic controllers and it benefits you to have a real serial port, I guess.

I got given a Yoga X13 Gen 1 as a "if you fix it, you can have it" sort of thing. It's got a white light on the power, no display, and continuous beeps when I turn it on. The fan blows, but the CPU gets hot fast with the backplate off. Am I reading the beep code lists right to conclude that the mainboard's dead?

hey bros I have a T430 that I really want to buff a bit but my goodness, gen3 i7s are scarce as fuck, luckily I managed to locate a i7 3775, is it compatible with my machine?
and what else do I need to replace alongside it?
thanks pals

>>106479576
>3770*

>>106479576
Won't fit, completely different socket

>>106479559
Do a bios reset with the little button on the back, you need a stiff piece of small wire to poke thru the hole and push it. Hold it for like 60 seconds or so and try to power it on. If you can get it to boot, go update the bios, there's a fix for it now. Dont toss it, it may be fixable.

my t60 is almost vintage now. pretty wild that i can go on the modern web with an 19 year old computer. just a few more months until i hit the vintage mark (20 years). love my t60.
i have a dock and an old ibm branded lcd screen to go with it. gonna get an old ibm mouse and keyboard as well.

apparently 2 TB nvme drives cost like $200?
and 32 GB SO-DIMMs cost $150 each?
do people actually rice their thinkpads with these upgrades?

>>106478750
>poorfag laptop that is meant to be bought in bulk for business
The only differentiating factor between the L and T series is that the L series lacks the magnesium chassis but tends to come with features you'd expect from the T series such as SODIMM RAM. For a few generations the L series variant made more sense than the T series variant since the T series variant would have soldered RAM or lack of certain I/O ports.

My L series has metal hinges, IR camera, fingerprint reader, WWAN capability and a Smartcard reader. The types of features you'd expect from a proper business laptop. In fact, when my choice was between the L14 G5 and the T14 G5, the only thing I'd get from the T14 G5 would be the magnesium chassis, as the L14 G5 had the better speakers and the larger battery. But do keep yapping about how it's the "poorfag" laptop even though it tends to be a better option than the amazing legendary T series that is always underspecced to L series levels to get you to splurge out on the P series.

>>106473858
Thank you for your insight anon. You're right that being such a minority, finding a solution is harsh, even mentally, as nobody else is having this problem, half of the time you keep wondering if this is even real, or you're just an OCD schizo making a problem out of nothing.
>eventually we will be totally unable to use phones or computers.
Well if that isn't the most harrowing thing I've read all week. Old tech till the very end it is then, eh.

>>106480355
>apparently 2 TB nvme drives cost like $200?
paid $125 for mine
>and 32 GB SO-DIMMs cost $150 each?
$55
>do people actually rice their thinkpads with these upgrades?
it's worth money to have no worry about running out of RAM or storage

>>106480355
>and 32 GB SO-DIMMs cost $150 each?
the 2x32GB kit in my T480 cost me 100 eurobucks. the 2x16 in my A485 was like 60
>do people actually rice their thinkpads with these upgrades?
that and stuff like glass trackpad, better screen panel, etc, yes
>>106481510
>too retarded to swap a display panel

T480 i7 8650U, 256GB 16GB for 200 eurobucks shipped, yay or nay?

>>106481693
It's fine if both batteries are working and the screen isn't 1366x768

>>106481777
ah, perhaps I should add more context here. it only comes with the internal battery but I have a spare external, so no issue. screen is 1080p
I already have an i5 T480 that's basically fully modded, but I kinda want to get the i7 model, and my current i5 has a couple clips missing from the chassis which annoys me a little bit. what I was planning on doing basically is get the i7 model, put all the upgraded mods (better screen, glass trackpad, 64GB RAM, 1TB SSD, LiteOn keyboard, dual pipe cooler, 72Wh battery) from my i5 into the i7 chassis, put those components from the i7 into the i5 chassis, put an external battery into that (I still have the one my current i5 came with, in good health) and give the i5 laptop to my parents (they're currently on a X230 that doesn't even have a SSD and battery doesn't last very long)

P14s Gen 5 looks neat but the GPU seems a little underpowered for a little gaming and AI labs

>>106482013
Intel version has a dGPU, if you have the money for it that is.

>>106447990 (OP)
>>106451670
>>106452281
What's the baste chip config for T14 Gen 2? Do they come with decent screens unlike t480? Gave up trying to fix t480 because no reputable mobo seller as well as thunderbolt issue lottery.

>>106482204
R5 or R7 (not much difference in practice despite the core count) and 16 GB soldered. Screens are all over the place from 45% NTSC 220 nit to Adobe RGB 500 nit.

>>106482109
rtx 500 ada? That's the one that seems a little underpowered, only 4gb vram too...
And my budget is $1200 ish

I was thinking about getting an X1 Nano (Gen 1), any thoughts?

>>106483523
Just one usable port after accounting for the charger? At that point you might as well get an Air.

Hey lads, so there is this T14 gen 4 with an I5 1335U that I found for close to $400, I know that intel processors are lackluster for a few years now and that this specific series of processors is on the 10 nm node, but would you nevertheless say that it doesn't suck enough to invalidate the whole machine
Cheers

>>106484347
Why not get an i7 or Ryzen T14 G3?
It's the same chassis.
What about the battery health?

I wish those p14s gen 6 would hurry up and lower in price. The GPU having 48 gbs of memory seems fishy to me

>>106483523
Nice and portable, but I got the Z13 for the extra performance.
Same problem as >>106484215 mentioned.
So you'll probably need a thunderbolt dock, but used ones are just 30€ or so.

thinkbump

>>106485349
Same, but P16 Gen 3
Got just enough saving to blow on random crap.

>Buying new workstation laptop for work
>Only want Linux
>Don't need a gpu apart from connecting 1 or 2 monitors now and then
I know I'm probably asking in the wrong place but is this actually a good idea too buy a high end new thinkpad?
I've heard conflicting things in the last few years

>>106487775
brand new thinkpad was never worth the price especially for an individual consumer. Linux drivers also gets better the older the hardware is. Even more when you don't really need gpu.

Right now the sweet spot is buying 2021-2022 thinkpads. Just get T14/T14s /X1 Carbon/ P series from that time frame which suits your taste.

>brand new t14 gen 5
>8840u
>950 bucks including tax
why shouldnt i buy this

>>106487775
Dollar wise, none of the workstation ever does. But I heard that the cooling system on the P16 is beefy enough to keep it really cool.

>>106484215
Why do you need extra ports when a USB-C dock can have everything you need?

>>106488661
Lenovo discontinues the X1 Nano series because the X1 Carbon achieves the same weight without sacrificing ports.

anyone use an X100e? this thing is at 50% fan speed idling in the BIOS. also, battery seems kaput quick blinking orange. overall, the system is in fair condition. screen is clean and scratch free, keyboard is also clean. nice to type on. i wanted to use it airgapped without wifi to minimize distractions while journaling. is it eWaste? sell for parts? what should i do, chat?

>>106488254
>not waiting for it to descend into poorfag price bracket

>>106462229
T14 Gen 3 here and the exact same thing happens to me too

Thoughts on ThinkCentre?

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Latitude-5320-in-review-Dell-spoils-the-mouse-replacement.608322.0.html
63Wh: 10 hours and 4 minutes on WiFi Websurfing (loading a page every 30 seconds)
https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-EliteBook-840-Aero-G8-review-Possibly-the-quietest-Intel-EVO-laptop-we-ve-ever-seen.552866.0.html
53Wh: 11 hours and 25 minutes on WiFi Websurfing
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-Surface-Laptop-4-13-Laptop-Review-Too-expensive-with-Intel-CPU.539455.0.html
47.4Wh: 7 hours and 34 minutes on WiFi Websurfing, 11 hours and 7 minutes showing a 1080p H264 video

My Latitude 5320 with an i7-1185G7 and 50Wh gets around 4 hours browsing the web. The least it ever draws from the battery with Wi-Fi on is 3.5W doing nothing, it averaged 6W when I tried to replicate the video playback test while the Surface Laptop averages 4.3W. How do I lower the power draw? You can't undervolt laptops anymore because Intel and AMD are retarded. At least I noticed that Firefox draws a metric fuckton of power when I scroll on any page

>>106490418
I've got a m73 and its pretty nice, only complaint is that any non-lenovo wifi cards prevent it from booting unless you do some modification to the bios(zero out the machine's serial code I think)

>>106490418
>laptop internals in a small desktop case
>but no display

>>106490418
Great if just need a computer to watch movies or YouTube, maybe some office work.
Decent used monitors are really cheap nowadays, so if you can snatch a smol ThinkCentre for cheap it's a great deal.
Otherwise I'd just get a normal Laptop or a used full-size desktop for cheap.

>>106490418
its nothing special and is pretty much the same as any other 1L PC (thats why the term tiny mini micro works)
>>106490517 suggests it might not be the best choice
get it if its cheap but don't prioritize it over other deals unless you like the design

>>106447990 (OP)
So, what system could I get that has the newest cpu in a "standard laptop" compact chassis? Something around a 12.5" screen size, but still kind of thick and rigid. Examples of what I'm talking about would be things like the X230, Elitebook 2570p, and the Latitude E6230. After intel 3rd gen, i'm seeing a lot of them going towards thin and light instead of just compact, and thin and light isn't exactly what i'm looking for.
I'm currently typing from an elitebook 2570p and love the little thing, but have wondered if a laptop in a similar form factor exists but with just a newer cpu without being some niche board replacement. I'm waiting on an i7-3632QM to put in it, and that should help it catch up, but the screen situation seems like it can't be helped.

>>106488796
Weight is irrelevant, the size different is huge.

I have a T450 16GB ram but I am scared because I keep getting a message that Windows 10 is going to kill my family. What should I do?

>>106491068
>>>/fglt/

>>106461804
The unsoundness of T14s doesn't end there
https://www.reddit.com/r/laptops/comments/1iu7t9r/lenovos_revolutionary_engineering_unreinforced/

>>106490418
I do have to handle these office PC's as part of my job and they're alright. We mainly switched to ordering Lenovo and HP since Dell offers shit warranty here.
>decent and relatively efficient mobile CPUs
>4K@30 or even a 4K@60 output depending on how recent they are
>some have a NIC card or you can get one to gain another port (VGA/DP/USB-C, etc)
>the AMD Zen4 versions have a 780M or 880M GPU which is ok for casual gaming
>i saw at least 2 with a riser and and low profile 3050

however
>90% are shitntel
>many are 13th/14th or the shitty core ultra rebrands
>some have the turbotrash desktop 13th/14th gen processors
>4K@60 is possible but not necessarily reliably

If you can grab a cheap Zen4 or Zen3 Ryzen for cheaper or on par with buying a used desktop it's a good enough deal.

>>106488254

because the Dell Inspiron 7560 exists, has a six core Xeon that probably roflstomps it and for 950 you can get the one with the 16gb Nvidia RTX 5000 16gb, mine has the A4000 8gb which is still very good for AAA gaymen

anyone here ever upgraded an SL410? want to swap out RAM, CPU, and maybe upgrade the HDD since its only got about 300gb and is probably fragmented to hell, just curious what I'm in for

>>106491981
why?

If you wanted a typing machine that can do light browsing and has the classic Thinkpad keyboard go grab a functional T420 and upgrade it instead.

page 9 bump

Would you rather a i9 p15 an i7 t14 gen 3?

Any way to calibrate an E6540 Latitude battery besides the standard "drain it to 0%, charge it to 100%" method? That one does not work for me. Laptop will shutdown after maybe 25 min and while showing 30% battery left and then if I turn it back on it can last for 2h while showing like 1% of battery left.

>>106494132
if you can find a way to discharge the battery while keeping the laptop plugged in (like what tlp does when you issue the recalibrate command)

How good are ProBooks

Thanks. Any sugestions for how to do it?

>>106488242
>>106488257
It's not my money though, and the value proposition doesn't really seem there for what it costs, can't believe I'm fucking considering HP zbook fury as an alternative, a fucking HP, is that really the state of things in 2025 lmao
Said it in another thread but wondering if I can convince my boss to let me buy a SFF pc and lug it around instead. At least that shit makes sense to me.
Thanks regardless anons, as a token of gratitude please enjoy this rare picture from my maymay folder

I'm looking for a thinkpad that has decent power, is built well, but also has a replaceable keyboard, ram, storage, and fan, as those are likely failure points. I was looking at the P16 or T15, but the fans are riveted to the heatsink, meaning a replacement when I would probably need it in a few years would be expensive or impossible to source.

>>106481693
>T480 i7 8650U, 256GB 16GB for 200 eurobucks shipped
update: seller accepted an offer for 175, so I ordered it. time to order some thermal paste as well, any recommendations?

Thinking about getting a used X13, but pics of the screen don't look great. What was the display like for Gen 3/4?

>>106494300
https://youtu.be/LGh4TLMifTo?feature=shared
They announced P16 Gen 3 earlier today. Though they make it significantly lighter (3 KG > 2.5 KG) and slap RTX 5090 mobile equivalent dGPU in it so I'm quite concern about the thernal performance.

Would this work in an A485?
https://ebay.us/m/3rCeXa

>>106497492
yes. I have one in mine. let me boot it up quick

>>106497492
>>106497513

>>106497546
Cool, I have been looking for a replacement since the Bluetooth on my current card seems to be malfunctioning occasionally. Either that or the Linux kernel doesn't handle it correctly. I've been getting "no controller available" with Bluetoothctl.

>>106497718
I don't use bluetooth (don't even have the packages installed to use it) so I can't help much with that. the wifi part works, no idea about BT

>>106497750
I've been planning to upgrade it for a while but irl shit has been keeping me busy

>>106497776
kek, I just ordered 3 of those a few months ago. one went into my desktop, one into my A485, and the last one into my T480. my desktop's old AX200 went into my 3rd laptop, and the one that was originally was in my A485 went into my crappy ThinkCentre that has a wlan whitelist and that was the only one I had that worked in it

hwinfo64:
idle, wi-fi on, bluetooth on, gamepad connected
>-2.8W
idle, wi-fi on, bluetooth on, wireless earbuds connected
>-6.0W
is there something wrong with the ax201 or is it windows fucking everything up?

thinkbump

>>106494194
Very solid body, so-so hinges, good modularity apart from the keyboard being riveted to the palmrest. Harder to pry open than any ThinkPad, fingernails alone won't do it.

>>106494875
On the T-series I know (up to 2021) it's just taped from both sides, no rivets

>>106498788
thinkbump

How do I actually buy one of these in EU, the retailers Lenovo points to quadruples prices on p series laptops

>>106452561
You can't, I forbid it.

Dad's T480 broke, gonna get him a T480S. Worth an extra $25 to go from an i5 to an i7? He's just going to browse the net and play online poker with it.

>>106499975
for 25 bucks I'd go for it

>>106452561
My P14s Gen 5 can play games decently.

>>106499975
yeah go for i7. i got the i5 with the gpu and wish i had just gotten the i7 with no gpu

>>106499651
>retailer
>Thinkpad
huh?

Is a 9th generation X1 with i7-1185G7 and 16GB ddr4 ram worth 440usd?

>>106496557
HOLY THICKPAD.
I'm gonna hoover one or two up in 5 years when they're 200 bucks.

>>106496557
>>106503245
I really like the design bros. How am I gonna wait 5 years for this.

>>106503245
>>106503280
Why not get a P52/P53/P15 today

>>106502211
For one reason or the other lenovo points me to its partners instead of giving an option to buy directly.

https://www.lenovo.com/pl/pl/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/thinkpad-p16-gen-2-16-inch-intel/len101t0069

thinkbump

>>106499975
>He's just going to browse the net and play online poker with it.
Based boomer

>>106504742
Nobody is selling the beefiest one.

>>106490418
I don't like that it's called ThinkCentre instead of ThinkCenter. It triggers my autism and that's why I've never owned one, unironically. ThinkPad, however, yes. Very good.

>>106507433
It tricks my mind into thinking they're all assembled in England.

>>106480511
Tfw the L14 Gen 2 had two SO-DIMM ram slots and $100+ rpice difference from T14 Gen 2. My T14 purchasing plans are now in shambles.

>>106507961
Does L14 Gen 2 has Hinge Problem™?

>>106508025
All of them have the "hinge problem", as does every other manufacturer. Laptops are so goddamn thin and minorities and children are so abusive with them that it creates the perfect storm of retardation where repeated one-handed-from-a-corner opening of the screen eventually stresses it enough that it rips the fragile, shallow mounts out of the lid or chassis.

The most egregious ones (and part of the class action lawsuit) were consumer-grade Ideapad/Yogas though.

L series are "fine" but you do have to be somewhat more careful with them as they don't have a metal chassis...and even if it did like some others, you still shouldn't abuse it or it WILL break.

Should I get a P16 or T15g?

Is Quadro T500 really much better than Iris Xe on the workstation laptops?

Think I might get one of those 2242 ssds for my A485. What brands are good? Or is it all the same?

>>106447990 (OP)
>be me
>buy a T490 with 32 gigs of ram and 1 terrabyte hardrive off marketplace two weeks ago for $150
>it was brand new in the box never used
>mogging you fags

How are the T16 Gen4's? Currently using an X250 and it is showing its age so I want to get something modern. No need for gaming or anything, just a work/school laptop

>>106509263
For 512GB or less get a WD SN520. You can get a 2280 version and physically trim it to 42mm if the 2242 ones are too expensive. For 1TB I think KingSpec NE is the only option.

>>106507961
>Tfw the L14 Gen 2 had two SO-DIMM ram slots and $100+
I fucking wish it was the case in my cunt. Hers the price difference is merely 30 bucks between L14 G2 and T14 G2

wHaT tO bUy???? Need a cheap Think for watching films and browsing while lying in bed, so obvs looking only for the old models. Heard that T440p and T480 r good, but I'm stiil not sure which one to get

>>106511329
T14 Gen 1/2.
T480 only if it's very very dirt cheap.

>>106509263
don't get a 2242, they're too expensive. a 2230 + an adapter will cost you less and you'll have much more choice in terms of capacity because they're more common

>>106511329
T480 is very good but unless you upgrade the screen panel you'll be disappointed if you watch movies on it. the stock panel is disgustingly bad, but there are excellent upgrade options

>>106511329
>>106511668
>>106511792
T480 is also subject to thunderbolt flaw lottery. Ex. Losing the capability to charge.

>>106511829
you don't lose the capacity to charge, "only" the capacity to charge quicker. and it's not permanent, you can flash the TB chip with a CH341A and fix the issue. if you're not affected by the issue yet a simple firmware update will make sure you never have that issue at all

bros... i can't decide.
which one should I buy...?

>ThinkPad T14 Gen 3, Intel Core i5-1250P 3.30 GHz (12 MB), 16 GB, DDR4, 256 GB NVMe SSD, Intel UHD Graphics, 14", 1900x1200
- 664.17 €

or

Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon 9th, Intel Core i7-1185G7 3.00 GHz (12 MB), 32 GB, LPDDR4, 512 GB NVMe SSD, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, 14", 3840x2400
- 561.40 €

the x1 is cheaper, has more RAM, and better screen, but the T14 CPU is much better and more efficient. also the T14 probably has much better battery life. I need it only for work (programming with bloated IDEs, office stuff, using bloated web apps)

>>106511668
>T14 Gen 1/2.
Looks like an overkill for my purposes

>>106511829
>>106511841
I heard that the patch can be only installed from Windows, is this still true? Not really a problem though

>>106512016
first one looks more upgradable (no soldered RAM for example). the 2400p screen is also overkill imo, I can't see why you'd need more than 1080p/1200p on a 14" screen but that's just me
>>106512054
>I heard that the patch can be only installed from Windows, is this still true?
fwupd on my distro had it, I installed it from Linux. iirc the only firmware update I needed a Windows install for was the upgraded glass trackpad I put in mine, and that was kind of a pain in the ass to do even on Windows (but it solved another annoying issue I had so I had to)

>>106504742
Because I need a thin and light today, but I really love THICKpads.

>>106504742
Whynot get a T15g
It’s even thicker

any pajeet living in pajeetland, tell me how to get an upgrade for the display of a t480 in india

>>106512878
not a jeet but alibaba maybe

>>106509290
>be him
>lie

Hi I got a HP 6470B Probook and my linux fs system got corrupted on it and I can't fix it since I have no idea what the BIOS password is. Any known ways to reset the password or bypass it to fix my laptop?

>>106512920
Alibaba works but you gotta order in bulk. Its not possible to order just once piece. Thats how it is in PajeetLand

>>106513284
Try badcaps.net

>>106455139
Absolutely not. I had an HP EliteBook 845 G7 and the keyboard started glitching out and the keys not working sometimes. The G7 and G8 EliteBooks/Zbooks have the same soldered-on keyboard as do the budget laptops. It's easier to swap out the palmrest area completely than to fiddle with the keyboard separately. The G5/G6 EliteBooks/Zbooks are way more repairable in this regard. But on their own, these G7/G8 EliteBooks/Zbooks are fantastic, especially the ones with a Ryzen 3. Because their cooling is garbage and won't be able to handle more than 4 cores well without undervolting or severe throttling.

just ordered a macbook air 15" 24gb 512gb, what am i in for?

>>106514613
you're in for railing session of your wallet by apple

Guys, I found a few T480-s on my local used market for, like, 150 bucks tops each, with i5 8-something-something and FHD displays. Is it worth it grabbing one if all I do is browse the internets?
>>106494977
PTM7950 4life, my man.

>>106515495
>PTM7950 4life, my man.
I thought about it but it's super expensive. I ended up buying a 10g syringe of NT-H2 from amazon, that way I'll also repaste my A485 (still has the paste it came with when I bought it a few months ago) on top of the 2 T480 (my current i5 and the i7 I ordered, since I'm gonna be swapping coolers between them), and my desktop and other laptop are also well in need of a repaste. on another note I've also ordered a glass trackpad + better display panel for the A485
anyway yeah that's not a bad price for a T480S and it'll do well for those tasks, especially on Linux. my current T480 has an i5 8350U and it works pretty well even for light games

>>106513876
I'll give that a try thanks anon.

I have got the choice between a LOQ RTX 4050 and a thinkpad x13 both Lenovo. Thoughts?

I just got a Thinkpad T16 gen 3.
I use it for embedded development (yocto, microcontrollers, fpga, vivado, kicad)
I want to install Ubuntu 24 LTS. Is it a viable option? I would appreciate some recommendations.
At this moment I'm using windows with wsl but it fells uncomfortable

I have used thinkpads for years but mainly the X220/X240 and older. Now I'm in the market for a new laptop and I'd like something that will
- run coreboot
- have high end specs for 2025 and ideally for a few years

I am considering this which is $1300 although there are many offerings available from different sellers as it's a white label model:
https://laptopwithlinux.com/product/clevo-v560/

It is upgradeable to 96GB RAM, 2x4TB SSDs, and the camera and mic can be removed. The wifi/LAN card is also user-upgradeable.

Are there any ThinkPads that do this better or more cheaply?

>>106516111
>Are there any ThinkPads that do this better or more cheaply?
the most recent Thinkpad that can be corebooted is the T480 and it's significantly older. it's a good machine but it definitely doesn't fit the "high end specs for 2025" criteria

why is the t480 the best laptop ever made?

>>106515582
>it's super expensive
Dafuq? It's, like, 10 bucks a 2 in sheet, that's more than enough for a few applications, anon.

>>106516168
>it's a good machine but it definitely doesn't fit the "high end specs for 2025" criteria
thank you for the info. can you ballpark total cost with maximum specs for that model? assuming i dont mind what the screen is and im not looking for the 100% niche autism version, just a good base to upgrade.

for me 1300 for this barebones + <800 in upgrades for 8tb ssd, 96gb ram, etc seem worth it. but I am experiencing choice paralysis and also it's a niche model and not many reviews.

>>106516303
>can you ballpark total cost with maximum specs for that model?
the T480? about ~150-200 for the machine itself, if you're lucky you can get an i7 version at that price but i5 is fine too (typing that on my i5 T480 btw). then you can upgrade the RAM (I paid 100 for my 64GB kit), SSD (pick whatever NVMe size you need, and there's potential to add a 2nd one in the WWAN slot), wifi card (AX210 for about 15 on aliexpress), trackpad (glass trackpad is roughly 40-45, you can ignore that upgrade if you use the trackpoint), keyboard if the one you buy isn't backlit (roughly 30 bucks, might be a bit more or less depending on supply), 72Wh external battery (roughly 45), dual heatpipe cooler (~25-30), screen panel (the seller I bought mine from sells a great one for 65), and I think that's about the extent I've upgraded mine. all those prices are in euros, convert in your own currency if applicable. also all parts were bought from aliexpress except for the backlit keyboard and battery which I bought off ebay, and ram/ssd from amazon. I can provide links for most of those if you need them
again this is a laptop that was released in 2018, don't expect high-end gaming performance on it. it's good for web browsing, media consumption, light games, running VMs, stuff like that though

>>106516252
got a link? the only reliable source I was able to find is like 3 times that price for a single sheet (desktop CPU size)

>>106452561

My Latitude 7560 handles fucking Helldivers 2 at full tilt 1080p at around 70fps and has similar specs to some of the P workstation Thinkpad models

>Xeon w-11855 6-core
>128gb ram
>4tb Gen 4 NVME
>Quadro RTX 4000 8gb (based on mobile 3090ti so probably desktop 1080ti performance)

Just turn off Intel TurboBoost if you get something like this, it will immediately go into thermal throttle the second that shit comes on for more than 5 seconds. It has better specs and build quality than most gaymen laptops and it doesn't even have a gaymen card it's a Quadro.

>>106480058

T60! I have the wxga model with FireGL V5250 graphics based on the x1700 Pro, with SSD and WindowsXP and the 9-cell extendo clip battery. Shits awesome I love it, T60/T61 was peak Thinkpad, I run it with a RAMDisk set to 2gb to cut down on trim with XP and SSDs, it runs I believer Supermium for the browser and still plays CS 1.6 online and UT99 online.

>>106516401
Thank you for this comprehensive reply, it's extremely helpful. It sounds like the T480 would be significantly cheaper, bordering on 1/3 the price, compared to the Clevo. I would appreciate any links, but I think what you've posted is enough to get me started. Any idea if any wifi7 cards fit? Can you think of anything tinkery that might be good for me to know in advance if I'm building one out?

my use case is mostly development, vms, and tinkering with llms (if possible), and it seems like neither machine will really do heavy gaming anyway; I need mainly a productivity machine.

>>106516401
>>106517052
google AI tells me the i7 in the t480 (15w) is only 20-30% better than the Intel 255h in the Clevo--is this true? How can there be so little difference with such a huge difference in price and generation?

>>106456646

any with gigabit nic

>>106513605
aliexpress?

>>106517052
>I would appreciate any links
screen panel: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005004607643355.html
brackets to attach the screen panel: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005007102433351.html
glass trackpad: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005009630552076.html (note: the one in my T480 I ordered from another seller but he doesn't sell them anymore. I ordered one from that link yesterday for my other Thinkpad but I obviously haven't received yet, I made sure with the seller it was the exact model I needed though)
wifi card: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005006968877268.html (there's probably cheaper ones than this, when I ordered from that seller they were 10€ each, price is higher now)
adapter to fit a 2230 NVMe in the WWAN slot: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005006832363079.html (it's better to use that adapter with a 2230 instead of the native 2242 since you'll find drives much easier for that format)
dual heatpipe cooler: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005007532136977.html (make sure to pick the "discrete graphics" option. it'll fit even if you don't have the Nvidia GPU inside, you'll just need to put some electrical tape over the GPU plate)
external battery: https://www.ebay.com/itm/387105607116
RAM: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DGL5CWYZ (I got the 2x32GB kit, works well despite being a chink brand. they don't have it in stock anymore but you can get any DDR4 kit at 2400MHz or higher and it'll work. I have Corsairs in my A485)
>Any idea if any wifi7 cards fit?
I don't think so, keying on the card is different and I dont think it'll fit. maybe a half-height card with an adapter would but I haven't tried
>and tinkering with llms (if possible)
probably not possible on the T480, or extremely slow if it is
>>106517109
>tells me the i7 in the t480 (15w) is only 20-30% better
I don't think even the best CPU option in the T480 is better than a current gen CPU. from what I can find online the 255H is like 2 to 3 times better depending on the workload

>>106517195
>from what I can find online the 255H is like 2 to 3 times better depending on the workload
yes, I followed this up with manual comparison using old school sites (notebookcheck) and it shows anywhere from 2x to 7x better. google AI is useless...

thank you for all of that info! i have saved it. in light of the abysmal cpu performance, though, I may not go with the thinkpad. the i7 models are 400-500+ on ebay :(

>>106517316
>the i7 models are 400-500+ on ebay :(
damn, I snatched one a couple days ago for 175, even comes with backlit keyboard
when I receive it I'll transfer all my mods over from my i5 to the new i7 and give the i5 to my mom, she's still using the old SSD-less X230 I gave her almost 6 years ago
>the abysmal cpu performance
understandable choice honestly, it's an older machine so it being slower is expected. I bought mine more as a hobby project to mod it and see how comfy it was, and now I use it more than my beefy desktop. even bought its AMD counterpart recently, it's pretty comfy too but I haven't fully modded it yet

>>106516168
My C13 runs coreboot. :)

>>106517345
>damn, I snatched one a couple days ago for 175, even comes with backlit keyboard
Any tips? I haven't used eBay in years. The only models I see with an i7 are 400+; even looking at the sold listings, there might be one every few months for under $300, and it's in questionable shape or because the CPU model is unlisted

>>106517469
>Any tips?
just check the Buy it Now section and sort by price. the one I found the seller was selling for 250€, and since I had seen the listing I received an offer for like 205. I discarded the offer and came back a few days later, made an offer for 175 which the seller declined, then I made one for 185 and he accepted. after that I just applied an ebay coupon for 10€ off and that was it kek
seller still has one in stock but only ships to my country and a neighboring one, probably won't be useful to you since you're likely not in Europe

>>106517469
>>106517484
I've just checked ebay and yeah the i7 T480 seem expensive here. but I see quite a few i7 T480S for around 200, still a good deal even if the T480S doesn't have two batteries and only one RAM stick can be upgraded

I was browsing ThinkPad's on eBay and noticed that this one seller seems to be using AI generated images: https://www.ebay.com/itm/167773720333 The keys look rather strange. What do you all think?

>>106517502
if not AI generated it's definitely fishy. even the text on the screen is weird, and weird text on the keys aside, the layout is unheard of and there are 2 L keys on it kek

>>106517502
spooky

>>106513605
do you have ebay in jeetland?

>>106481483
I may be looking at the completely wrong listings.

>>106447990 (OP)
Got myself T14 Gen2a, the one with ryzen 5 and 16gb soldered in already and I added another 16gb
any tips for this? needed a machine to use outside of home and it's good so far, I put debian 13 and immediately switched to testing, set up tlp, autocpufreq and powertop
that's mostly it

>>106517195
>>106517484
>>106517500
thanks again for your insight, anon. I will consider this as an option and look around. However, to me, I don't think it makes much sense at all to purchase a T480 with a CPU that is up to 7x slower for a minimum of $500 (+mods) when the new(er) alternative is $1300 (+mods). $700 is a lot of money to me, but it's not 7x more than $500... I think the newer machine is worth it. I wish these were still cheap, like in the old days. I remember buying my X220 for around $150, and that was before this major inflation wave which seemingly has never ended.

>>106517195
>probably not possible on the T480, or extremely slow if it is
Why is this? Is it simply the lack of a GPU? I do have a more modern laptop which has a 5070 Ti--is that the one I should use for LLMs?

>>106518957
if I saw someone with this grub splash in a public space, I would get up and leave to avoid them
what happened to normal things like being enthusiastic about foss etc., why are you enthusiastic about chopping off ur bene?

>>106519376
im not, im on default debian grub splash
pic just unrelated and I found it funny

>>106518957
>Got myself T14 Gen2a, the one with ryzen 5 and 16gb soldered in already
just finished installing debian and I don't remember posting this, weird. also my sodimm ram isn't here yet.

>>106519960
kek, but i went with gnome and wayland this time to try if it's still limiting as i remembered, xfce on desktop stays forever

>>106519960
kde looks great. too bad qt is shit.

>>106512016
ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 is better option, more modern, more upgradable and best quality

>>106520172
>qt is shit
Maybe, but it's the only loonix toolkit that isn't less usable for the end user than plain Win32

>>106519370
>I don't think it makes much sense at all to purchase a T480 with a CPU that is up to 7x slower for a minimum of $500 (+mods)
I definitely wouldn't recommend paying 500 bucks for a T480 either honestly, unless it's already fully modded out of the box. 200-250 at the very highest if it's not
>Why is this? Is it simply the lack of a GPU?
pretty much yeah. if you put 64GB RAM inside you'll be able to run LLMs, it's just gonna be very slow because they'll be running on the CPU. definitely running them on your 5070Ti is gonna be orders of magniture faster

>>106520685
anon, I truly appreciate your insight. I will maybe play the long game on the t480 and see if I can get a cheap one as you suggest. I even question the Clevo on the basis of the fact that it won't have a particularly good GPU (although the 4060 is available with that model, it is not compatible with the most secure coreboot configurations to my knowledge)

maybe I can make an offer as you did

>>106447990 (OP)
did the nibble get seriously worse in new thinkpads? i got a x13 and i'm wondering if its broken or is it supposed to feel this bad

>>106521461
>in this episode of /tpg/ anon learns about enshitification

>>106519376
0 days since chvdding out on the internet

>>106521567
>linux?
>did I mention I chopped off my cock?

>>106521488
checked

>>106521461
IME it got worse around 2012, then slowly improved after the switch from Synaptics and ALPS to Elan. The nipple on my T14 G5 is the comfiest I've used in almost a decade.

If your X13 is G1 or G2 AMD running Linux, you can try
https://wpyoga.dev/blog/2022/04/27/thinkpad-t14-trackpoint-linux
or
https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-input/patch/71d9dc66-9576-c26f-c9d9-129217f50255@gmail.com/#24848525

>>106521659
G1 AMD yeah. feels just awful coming from t440p

>>106521644
The two digits before the dubs are also quite interesting.

>>106521891
just wait until you discover numerology and kabbalah

>>106521461
I like my P14s G5 trackpoint.
The older one could be better, but ignorance is bliss.

>>106521488

GUCK DIR AN DEINE DOPPEL

>>106477555

ebin trips

>>106462333

ruthless trips

>>106522483
Why didn't he invade Malta?

>>106521461
If you haven't already, go turn off mouse acceleration. It makes an enshittified trackpoint 10x worse.

>>106523958
which models was the lower quality trackpoint first implemented in?

>>106518651
we do, its called olx or facebook marketplace and u ain't getting shit. the best i've see is T25 going for around 200$

>>106447990 (OP)
I am looking to upgrade the T480s screen to a QHD one as per this guide: https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=127439
but i am having trouble finding the screen and cable (and where i live it is preferable to order from aliexpress as opposed to ebay). The possible screens are: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008508444766.html, https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000983549000.html, https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007453220563.html. However i haven't find a cable and still don't know about the screen sellers. Any anons that can help a bit?

T480: 32gb ram, 2tb SATA SSD, i5-8250u, 2 batteries, USB C Dock gen2, thunderbolt 23.0, and thermal paste recently applied. Seems suspiciously well taken care off. Seller is asking about 280-350 euros. Go for it or wait until I can find a T14? So far seems the only reasonable one I can find on the market around here.

>>106517502
WTF, the ThinkPad logo looks like it's melting...

Do you like it in the ass anon?
Do you like Fagbook copycats?
Do you like PCs for gays and women?

>>106525367
that's not an unreasonable offer, especially if it comes with the dock. for 280 I'd go for it personally. kinda sucks it comes with a SATA instead of NVMe but that can be upgraded later if you need to
>2 batteries
one external + one spare external on top of the internal one, or just the normal internal + external combo? what capacity is the external?
>>106525090
for the cable you just need to find a 40-pin eDP cable I believe. just be careful because there are 2 variants for the cable, one 40-pin for touch screen, and one 40-pin for higher resolution. you want SKU 01YR503 iirc

>>106525090
>>106526070
nvm wrong SKU, that's for a T480 not T480s. the one you need is 01YN996. see https://libthinkpad.github.io/fru/?t=T480s

>>106524659
I think you're fucked jeetanon sorry

>>106526070
Internal + the external yes. The primary battery is at 97% and the secondary is about 76% so that one needs replacing for sure

>>106526351
when I meant capacity I meant how big it is. there are 3 different models for the external battery: 24Wh, 48Wh and 72Wh. the latter is obviously more desirable but like I can said it's easy to get another one anyway (the 24Wh model is the most common, if you have that and it's the one at 76% health, get a 72Wh and you'll have great battery life on that machine)

are there any thinkpads which are capable of running with 0 binary blobs?

>>106526598
What is the obsession with blobs? Almost nothing made in the last two decades can run without some proprietary firmware. Even Libreboot ThinkPads that don't require IME (the Core 2 chipsets) still have some blobs such as the EC.

>>106526869
>everything is shit
>bruh just like get over it
enjoy your blobs and botnet.

>>106522451
Cute, I've been eyeing a P14s but hinges look sussy on the Gen 5 since it's one single bar with 2 points of contact with the chassis instead of 4 traditional, and gen 4 has a processor without an NPU which I'd love to have to be futureproof, so then I look at Gen 6 and realise that I should really be looking at a better graphics cards at this price range.

>>106526999
Triples of not being able to avoid compromise

>>106525367
I got an X1 Carbon Gen7 with I5 8365u and 16gb + 256gb nvme for $199 off eBay.

There is a significant difference between i5 8250u, 8350u and 8365u in single threaded performance. I would not get 8250u.

>>106526903
Your phone and computer are full of proprietary firmware. No amount of cope or projection will change that. Unless you've gone full RMS and don't have a phone and do everything on a Libreboot X60, you're in no position to get smug.

>>106528132
>w-well your phone is proprietary so you should give up completely on all devices and accept our overlor-
enjoy your blobs and botnet

>>106528171
I use a libreboot ThinkPad as my daily driver, so I'd wager real money that you're being cucked by proprietary firmware to a higher degree than I am.

>>106528243

Redpill me on Libreboot.

I have a T430 collecting dust right now, with a nice backlit keyboard and in pretty good shape, i5-3340. Got it free in a trade.

>>106528260
It's a FOSS BIOS replacement for supported boards. Not much to say about it, but if you enjoy freedom and/or worry that proprietary firmware is spying on you, it's worth looking into. Flashing for the first time requires an external device connected to the ROM chip, so it's not for beginners.

>>106528243
>I use a libreboot ThinkPad as my daily driver, so
>defends blobs anyway because *ackshually...*
you have too much free time

>>106528321
I'm not defending anything, simply pointing out the reality of the situation. But apparently that nuance was lost on your negative two sigma IQ.

>>106528352
why do you bother to use libreboot then?
>w-well my reasons can't possibly apply to other people a-and I definitely need to share my very hot take b-because..
>y-you're stupid!
ever consider that you have an inflated ego and you aren't as bright as you think?

>>106528298

I have a BIOS chip flasher so that's not a problem. Super cool. I'm not really worried about that, but I see it mentioned here a lot.

>>106528373
>why do you bother to use libreboot then?
Because I care about freedom. Whether Intel ME is spyware or not, and to date it has never been proven to be malicious, is irrelevant. You should use free software for the sake of user freedom, regardless of whether there is any security or privacy benefit.
>ever consider that you have an inflated ego and you aren't as bright as you think?
Nice, more projection.

>>106528377
There's a great video by Wolfgang on how to flash the T430:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpGf00qFHkc

>>106528422
>you're too dumb to understand my complex logic
>everything you say is projection
I am done replying to you; you are too unintelligent for me to spend time on, sorry. good luck and enjoy libreboot

I am buying a T480 this week, and I am 'retiring' my X220T back to being my garage-only-car-diagnostic laptop it was originally purchased for. I need opinions on an OEM ThinkPad branded bag for it, either Lenovo or IBM is fine. I need actual businessmen going through airport TSA to think I am a serious businessman.

Realistically I want this to be my new 'personal item' for air travel, so it will have my mouse, phone, book, watch, and some other stuff in it. If it could fit my Steam Deck as well that would be nice, but probably not realistic due to the bulk of the Steam Deck in it's own case, I don't really play vidya on airplanes anyway due to normies.

>>106528602
>I need opinions on an OEM ThinkPad branded bag for it, either Lenovo or IBM is fine. I need actual businessmen going through airport TSA to think I am a serious businessman.
a thinkpad-branded bag is like wearing new balance sneakers, definitely fills a role but idk if that role is 'serious businessman'
why do you care about that anyway

>>106528602
>Thinkpad bag
Who the fuck cares?
t. own one

>>106528636
>>106528651

Cause it's funny. I don't really need that though, I just like it and find it amusing. I collect factory accessories for my old cars, so it's kinda the same in my mind. Practically wins out, the only real constraint is I'd like to not spend more than $50 without a serious reason to.

>>106528602

I have the larger IBM branded Thinkpad bag that comfortably fits a 17" laptop, has room for my T60 WXGA and T430, pic related.

It's very good, very durable, the strap is comfortable, there's a few up on ebay right now. Has traveled to all 48 CONUS and had no issues.

>>106528651

To be fair the Thinkpad bags are some of the best OEM bags out there

t. owns one, two newer Dell bags and an old Dell one made of leather for the C610, C640, etc. They're just a good all-around laptop bag.

>>106528701

Also prior to owning my T60, I used that Thinkpad bag to carry my Latitude E6520 which was my daily driver for 10 years. It's a good all-around bag and that storage pouch can easily hold a power supply and a couple external devices, mouse and mousepad.

t. OTR semi-truck driver.

>>106526999
>2 points of contact with the chassis
All of them have two points. The inner end is always floating with cables coming out of it. The real compromise is elsewhere e.g. riveted keyboard, easily scratched aluminium case.

>>106529250
I got the AMD one.

>>106529280
Which chassis is the non-alunium one?

>>106530101
AMD version has GFRP/magnesium iirc, only Intel has aluminium. These options look like a mislabelled choice between CPUs.

>>106530153
O, you're right r7pro must be ryzen 7 pro

P14s Gen 5 AMD seems to have really underpowered graphics though, even more so than a500 rtx on intel

>>106530379
I would have gotten the intel version if my salary is higher.