Thread 106472743

I'm a dumb dumb smooth brain windows retard. Windows 11 is the last straw for me.
I have switched a gaming laptop to Bazzite and so far it is comfy and does everything I need but people have told me the immutable nature of Bazzite is gonna be an issue for me later on.
I'm confused how so far, but I'm a retarded windows user so WTF would I know. I am open to trying other distros but I would like feedback on.
>When is it being immutable going to be a problem for me? I hear latest drivers can be an issue but I prefer stability over bleeding edge. Are there any other issues with downloading and running programs or other drivers?
other Distros I'm gonna try out on other computers I have.
>Nobara (I heard this one is not immutable)
>Cachy (I heard it has some stability issues but is excellent)
>Debian (is it really that behind on software?)
>Fedora (I'm aware Bazzite is a dumbed down version of this)
>LinuxMint (I don't care if cinimon looks "outdated" I like comfy UIs and care more about utility)
Things I am concerned about is Logitech 300s mouse lack of support or problems (it's my favorite mouse and they don't make it anymore), stability issues with linux downloads or gaming, and I don't see myself ricing my interface as I don't care that much about UI asthetics over functionality.

Any input is appreciated.
Keep in mind I am a dumb dumb normie that just wants to use internets and play games (not any modern slop that requires kernal anticheats) on my linux machines. So forgive me for not wanting to install regular Arch and just want my drivers and install to work out the box with minimal termal comands (don't mind using a terminal, I grew up on DOS, but I just prefer simple flatpacks or downloads from a website)

The only two of those that I would consider using for a desktop machine are Linux Mint and Fedora. It's worth noting that Bazzite is based on Fedora Silverblue/Kinonite instead of normal Fedora.
Although realistically I can't see you having any issues with an immutable distro for your use case.

>>106472855
Thanks for the honest feedback.
Yeah I don't see many issues for me either, but people keep telling me immutable can be a big issue. Closest I've seen to it being an issue was the switch and click fedora vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVM3sRD9q8M
And having to reinstall a periferale driver EVERY TIME because immutable safety issue.
I worry my logitech 300s mouse may have a similar issue, but i'll get there when I get there.

I'll still play around with some of the other distros but Bazzite really is super comfy. Only minor issue is the bazzar store and flatpack search store are missing some things I'd want, but as long as I can go on a browser and click a download link for linux... I'm fine.

>>106472743 (OP)
You should just install Artix Linux.

>>106472743 (OP)
I'm not seriously telling you to do this, but there's nothing stopping you from installing KDE on Arch and then just installing everything with flatpaks and only updating the system through terminal if you need to. It's also going to work out of the box since archinstall defaults are fine (except the graphics driver which doesn't default to either AMD or Nvidia).

Anyway, immutable may be an issue, however if you're a smoothbrain and aren't going to be doing serious power user shit with your system it's not going to be an issue. It makes it hard to mess with actual system files, but only you know if you have a reason to mess with those or not. For gaming, you certainly don't need to since gaming on Linux is targeted at being compatible with Steam Deck which itself is immutable. The shit you'd use like Heroic, Steam or Lutris work just as good on an immutable distro as they do on a mutable one.

Fedora and Mint are fine, I'm not sure about Debian I've only ever used it on a total toaster and I really don't like Cachy because it's unstable Arch with defaults I don't like. I found Fedora to be annoying to use because of bad support for older nvidia hardware though. It's so much easier to get it working on Arch.

>>106472743 (OP)
Even an immutable distro reliant on Flatpaks is going to be less bloated than Windows.
>When is it being immutable going to be a problem for me?
Only if you intend to modify core system files, or hate Flatpaks. If you're not noticing any issues, then your computer will be fine. I myself prefer mutable distros over immutable ones just so I can get the performance and disk advantages of normal software.
>Nobara
A very bad distribution. Used to be good but it's just broken now and tries to reinvent the wheel to the point that graphical app stores don't work and running sudo dnf update can break your system. It's pre-alpha software that's miserable every second you're not in a game.
>Cachy
Very good! Just make sure to get to get pamac for a nice graphical app store and that's it for the setup.
>Debian
It's more user-friendly than Mint (basically anything is nowadays) but it still defaults to ext4 and there's no GUI method to upgrade to the next Debian release.
>Fedora
Fedora is good but requires about 5-15 minutes of manual setup since it doesn't come with things like codecs. After that 5-15 minutes though it's completely self-maintaining, and unlike Bazzite you benefit from normal packages instead of being forced into Flatpaks.
>Linux Mint
Mint was good 10 years ago but Linux as a whole has become so much more user-friendly that Mint is just shit. All the conveniences people want just don't exist on Mint, never mind that its ancient repos will force you into shitty old kernels that halve your FPS across all games and give you years-out-of-date versions of programs. The people recommending Mint today haven't actually used it recently; they're just regurgitating forum posts written in 2017. Ever other distro has Cinnamon btw so Mint hasn't even that going for it.

tl;dr if you enjoy Bazzite, stick with it.
>>106472855
Lonlo. You have not used Mint recently. Mint is no longer a good or even necessarily user-friendly distro anymore.

>>106473083
btw I know rpm-ostree exists and can be used on Bazzite, but that's still extra layering and I don't want to go through the trouble of deleting all the preinstalled Flatpaks.

>>106472743 (OP)
>use internets and play games
Bazzite is great for that, and if you're happy with your install then I'd stick with it.

If you later have other use cases (maybe you want to learn to program or something) then you might find that you need to install things that aren't designed to work with immutable distros, and you might find it easier to move to another distro.
I don't think it's worth worrying about that scenario upfront. I would choose based on your current needs, not hypothetical future ones. If you do change later, it's fairly easy. Less hassle than reinstalling Windows in my experience.

I use Fedora 42 KDE on my work (programming) machine, and Bazzite (in Deck mode) on my gaming HTPC. My main gaming rig is still Windows 10, but I plan to switch it to Linux soon and I'll probably go with Bazzite for it.

>>106473083
>>Cachy
>Very good! Just make sure to get to get pamac for a nice graphical app store and that's it for the setup.
Are you sure that's needed? It sounds like they have an included GUI package manager.
>https://wiki.cachyos.org/cachyos_basic/why_cachyos/
>CachyOS Package Installer: A graphical user interface (GUI) for easy installation of applications.

>>106473083
I am not him but I used Mint recently, seemed perfectly fine.

>>106473173
>Are you sure that's needed? It sounds like they have an included GUI package manager.
Eh. It's extremely barebones, whereas pamac has:
>screenshots of the apps
>a better search system, even letting you search for Flatpaks if you want
>a background service that checks for updates
>pamac also lets you install updates, for your programs, drivers, firmware, etc
The CachyOS welcome screen confusingly has TWO package managers, one that lists every package and one that lists a handful; pamac is in the one that lists every package, and is found under the "Additional tweaks" button on the welcome screen if I'm remembering the name correctly.

>>106472743 (OP)
Sounds like you have no issues or am I mistaken? Just keep using it and come back when you do have issues.

I wish things would be as simple and easy like you guys say lol
I spent about 2 months using Bazzite, cachyOS and other distros and had issue after issue. I eventually had to go back to Windows since I realized I was wasting most of my freetime tinkering with Linux instead of actually gaming or doing anything fun or productive.

>2nd monitor
It's an older 24" model with no options to change color saturation/intensity in it. I can do that in 2secs using options found in my GPU driver. No such thing in linux. Had to deal with it looking like shit/washed out colors, but at least my main monitor was okay.

>headset
I have a wireless 7.1 surround headset from Corsair. In linux, it gets stuck in stereo mode with no option to switch to surround, or check battery level, or disable or change rgb settings, since iCUE doesn't work in linux and any attempt to force it to work failed. Microphone worked whenever it felt like it, constantly being disabled for no reason.

>gaming
I play a few battle.net games and running battle.net is a nightmare. It's very linux unfriendly and it constantly breaks requiring you to either rollback proton versions or tinker with it.
This was actually what finally made me quit linux since after an update, all games would break and get stuck in a "game needs update" loop forever until you uninstalled and reinstalled the game. I had to reinstall the game everytime I wanted to play it which is retarded.


Would I still recommend Linux, Bazzite etc? Yes.
I actually still like linux and I actually miss it. When shit actually works, it works VERY well and my games would actually run better in it.
I can't blame any of my problems directly on linux (not Bazzite's fault that my 2nd monitor is old, or that I use a software-dependent headset, etc)

But your experience will vary a lot depending of wtf you're doing. Your setup, your games, your usage, everything.
I would be lying if I said that "it just works" like some linux fans like to say.

>>106473602
Windows went too far. I was willing to tolerate the shithole 10 became. 11 went too far. And yeah, it's a lot of spying even with 10. So for 11 to cause me to leave is saying A LOT.
>I play a few battle.net games
I would have had this issue before microsoft bought them. But microsoft has driven the company in the ground and their live service model has made sure everything is ULTRA POZZED!
So I stopped with Blizzard
>2nd monitor
I use a 4k TV so I'm fine
>Headset
this could be a problem but I use the audio jacks over the USB so I should be okay... if all the videogame lobbies didn't become neutered and gay.
>>106472982
Why?
>>106472985
>>106473083
Thank you. So basically as long as I have no plans to Rice or use hyper customization I am good. I still wanna play around with some of the other distros, but your break down is pretty solid.
May try Cachy as well to try an Arch version of Bazzite. Maybe try Debian as well because of the stability factor. Also VERY interested in Qubes cause I always wanted a compartmentalized OS.

I know it isn't meant for it but what would happen if I ran puppy and installed all the wine and proton layers?
Yes I'd only be doing it for the puppy themes
>>106473190
I hear all kinds of mixed stuff but I still haven't gotten a good explaination for why Mint is so hated. I think cinimon looks nice.
>>106473325
Yeah I have 0 issues. Runs flawlessly. Only issue I am hearing it has is the "Latest" drivers aren't available immediately cause of stability tweaks but I also don't update my drivers as soon as the new driver drops because I hate unstable drivers that break my games or system for features I never asked for.

May just stick to Bazzite overall. It honestly seems like the perfect windows user switching linux and if I get to a point where I need more I'll just distro hop.

I've been using Bazzite for two and a half months now. I was originally concerned about the 'immutability.' but I haven't ran into an issue with it. I'm not super into Linux, or experienced with Linux outside of the basics and setting up web servers.

I use my machine for software development, gaming, and browsing. I don't want to get into distro ricing or make distro tinkering a hobby; I want the desktop environment to be productive for my own needs and 'just work'.

Does it 'Just Work,' tho? No lol. but it's good enough. I had a few bugs with wayland that went away after a restart. I have a few more bugs that are specific to certain applications: Steam, Valve's Deadlock, Brave browser.

I guess I can't play EA's 'competitive' games, but that's not really a problem, they're challenging the definition of 'competitive' and 'game' over there at EA. I haven't really had to do any hour long tinkering sessions to get anything to work. I did spend some time submitting a bug report for Brave and Deadlock.

I'll probably just replace brave partially or mostly with LibreWolf and hardened Firefox. At least this is an excuse to try those out.

>>106473861
>I still haven't gotten a good explaination for why Mint is so hated. I think cinimon looks nice.
There's a lot:
>no zram
zram is the standard on Linux for keeping RAM usage low. It's been in Linux for so long that Microsoft copied zram and put it into Windows 10 a decade ago. Mint STILL doesn't have zram which is ridiculous.
>Outdated kernel and software
You might plug in a peripheral and find it doesn't even work because Mint's kernel is too old. Or, you'll play a game and get half the FPS as on Bazzite because the kernel is too old. Plus, the software available on Mint is so old that its version of GIMP predates Proton lol; it's a nearly decade old version of GIMP whereas the rest of the Linux community is enjoying GIMP 3.0 which released this year.
>Stupid unfriendly interface decisions
I have no idea why installing software in Mint is done through a different program from updating software. Discover, Pamac, and GNOME Software all do both.
>Snapshots
You know system restore points on Windows? On Linux they are essentially free storage-wise if your distro uses Btrfs. Unfortunately, Mint used Ext4, an old file system that lacks SSD longevity features, has larger file sizes, and no native support for snapshots (aka system restore points). Mint instead achieves snapshots through a jerry-rigged, EXTREMELY inefficient method that fills up your entire drive.
>Cinnamon is FUNCTIONALLY outdated
Whether you like how Cinnamon looks doesn't change the fact it suffers from screen tearing, input lag, no fractional DPI scaling, and whole bunch of other crap that makes it unsuitable. This is largely because Cinnamon is still X11-only. Cinnamon's Wayland support has been pre-alpha for a long time and isn't improving any time soon, so don't wait on Cinnamon to catch up. If you want a Windows-esque UI that actually works, Plasma does the job far better WHILE using less RAM and CPU.

>>106473861
>>106474268
Basically, Mint was hailed as user-friendly back when "user-friendly Linux distro" meant "holy shit, WiFi actually works on this thing!", but that only impresses Linux old-timers. Mint was considered good back when Linux was shit; but Linux has evolved to become fucking incredible while Mint is stuck in 2016.

>>106473861
>>106474268
Basically, Mint was hailed as user-friendly back when "user-friendly Linux distro" meant "holy shit, WiFi actually works on this thing!", but that only impresses Linux old-timers. The fact is, almost every popular distro now is user-friendly, and much more so than Mint. Other distros don't leave you wondering why your SSD is suddenly full. Other distros don't leave you troubleshooting your peripherals. Other distros don't make your computer slow because you've run out of memory.
Mint was considered good back when Linux was shit; but Linux has evolved into something fucking incredible whereas Mint is stuck in 2016.

>>106474268
>Mint used Ext4
uses ext4*

>>106474091
>Brave
I haven't had issues yet but this will be a big deal to me. Brave is an amazing browser and I gots to have it. But so far, no problems.
>EA
oh boy. I used to have Origin, then EA killed Origin to push the EA app and killed all my old licenses. Now I see EA goods as not worth it and will never forgive them. Sure, I only had $50 worth of games and a bunch of freebies, but the principle of it proved I can never trust you again.
I don't like modern competitive slop. Only online competitive games I play are Tekken and fighting games. I hate battle royals.
>Does it 'Just Work,' tho? No lol. but it's good enough.
Seems to be the consensus if you don't need to be on the bleeding edge or play the newest Multiplayer slop. May get into ricing one day but today aint that day and tomorrow aint looking like it either.

As for the gaming services I do use
>Steam
>Amazon
>GOG
>Epic
>Ubislop launcher

Heroic takes care of all my non steam stuff and Ubisoft connect can run through steam with minimal tinkering.... So my gaming needs are covered.

I may get a weather widget though. That is the only Windows 10 thing I will kinda miss.
Well that and mod compatability but I heard even that has been smoothed over so I'm gonna test it out with Tekken. Either way mod compatability is always a mess,

I do need to adjust to the new way of doing file systems and having to manually add shortcuts to the home screen. The blank home screen just feels strange to me but is easily fixed.

>>106474268
>>106474379
Thank you for an explaination.
Yeah those are pretty massive issues beyond just "look ugly"
Think I'll stay away from LinuxMint (unless they get some sort of massive update that fixes the kernal and zram)
Yeah Bazzite worked right out of the box and KDE plasma is like what a windows 11 should be. So I'm pretty comfy.

Honestly the stuff like Wifi, keyboards and GPUs not working is why I stayed away for so long. Seems like all of that is ironed out and more people are making the switch. Not quite the normie tier people, but somewhat tech literate normie tier people before unwashed masses flood the distros.

>>106473602
My experience has been that no OS offers a truly "just works" experience. A fresh install of Windows needs a lot of tinkering to get it into what I would consider a usable state, and that starts right from the installer as you need a clunky command line workaround to avoid making a Microsoft account. Once installed it's full of shit I don't want (like Copilot and ads for Candy Crush) and is lacking basic shit I do want (like the ability to extract compressed files other than ZIPs).
Linux distros require some tinkering too. Usually I find they need less, and that it's less frustrating to do, compared to Windows.

Similarly both have some quirks and bugs. By default KDE dims your screens when inactive, but I found one of my screens wasn't being brought back to full brightness. I just disabled the dimming feature. I'll accept that kind of bug instead of Windows' complete and total inability to keep my fucking windows where I had them whenever I turn my screens on or off.

I use an old Apple USB keyboard and the Linux driver for it is better than the Windows one. On linux there's a bunch of options for changing the way function keys and fn/meta/option keys work. You do need to use the command line to change those options, but at least it's possible.

>>106474442
>Brave is an amazing browser
It's okay, I have concerns that it's not as privacy-centric as at touts, and it's crypto-retard defaults are somewhat annoying. It requires a lot of configuring to be a viable 'degoogled' browser and because of that I don't trust its intentions or direction.

>I don't like modern competitive slop. Only online competitive games I play are Tekken and fighting games. I hate battle royals.
This is my unpopular opinion: BRs aren't competitive games. RNG in drop location player density and item drop density/quality removes predictability and skill expression from the game. They might have tournaments, but there's less skill expression in that genre than other genres. I haven't had any issues with most modern competitive games, it's just specific anti-cheat software that BTFOs, so I've heard. Can't play battlefield slop. Nothing lost. Can't play League. Sanity gained. Marvel Rivals works perfectly fine. Deadlock works very well; it has some intermittent bug with wayland (I think.)

> may get a weather widget though. That is the only Windows 10 thing I will kinda miss.
pic related

>I do need to adjust to the new way of doing file systems and having to manually add shortcuts to the home screen. The blank home screen just feels strange to me but is easily fixed.
What is a home screen? You can add shortcuts to the desktop. You can add shortcuts to the Application Launcher tray. You can pin shortcuts to the task bar.

Use pika is, it has a birb.

>>106474844
>Use pika is, it has a birb.
My brand of autism demands if I'm using it just for the meme mascot, I'm going puppy linux.
This is just a fact.
>>106474782
>I have concerns that it's not as privacy-centric as at touts, and it's crypto-retard defaults are somewhat annoying.
The crypto advertising is why I think they can be a little more privacy focused and not have issues like when Firefox removed the "Never selling your data" part of their TOS because Google got ruled against in court and it punished Firefox and now they have to think of potential alternate revenue streams.
Brave also develops the only working ad blocker uBlock origin and if it weren't for their crypto bro model they would have suffered the same fate as AdBlock plus.

I get where you are coming from though. I wouldn't treat them as a super private browser, but lately a lot of browsers have been doing shady shit and Brave has kinda held the same stance throughout cause the CEO has a blood fued with silicon valley for getting him fired for donating to an anti-gay marraige cause in like 2013.
>Firefox removed the not selling your data part
>Tor added browser fingerprinting then lied and said they didn't
>Edge is spyware
>Chrome is spyware
>Opera is closed source

As for a weather widget, a simple one that gives me up to date weather in the taskbar next to the time and date is preferable.
That one is MASSIVE. then again it's linux so I assume it can be customized.
>pin to homescreen
thats what I have been doing. It's an extra step but no big deal.
>>106474732
Yeah, windows was notorious for having full broken versions or updates that killed your system. And compatability with other versions of windows can be a nightmare.
So Nothing "just works" but if I don't have to fix the code myself or only have to make little settings changes to fix something, I'm happy.

Nothing will convert me to mac tho. Fuck that shitty company and workflow

>>106473083
I wanted to ask, how are the following distros if I wanna use it for the same shit I use bazzite for...
>Puppy linux
>Qubes

I know they arent meant for gaming but puppy linux is cute and I enjoy compartmentalization from Qubes.

>>106475024
>The crypto advertising is why I think they can be a little more privacy focused
Yeah, I guess that makes sense. A clearly defined source of income means users are less likely to become the product. Maybe.

>if it weren't for their crypto bro model they would have suffered the same fate as AdBlock plus.
I can't remember what happened to adblockplus or why I stopped using it. I don't use ublock either. I use dns-hole + brave + privacy badger. I'll probably end up needing to use ublock with Librewolf or degoogled/hardened firefox.

Not trying to do shady shit, just trying to do as much as possible to defeat telemetry, fingerprinting, targeted advertising, cross-site tracking.

Bazzite has been pretty non-intrusive with my computing habits and for the most part has worked for everything I needed it to. I expected a lot more tinkering and was surprised.

>>106472743 (OP)
>pink & light cyan color
tranny distro
kys, ywnbaw

>>106475697
Puppy Linux is something you burn to a CD if you need to troubleshoot a 2003 laptop. I imagine getting any of your programs to work would require chasing down dozens of dependencies lol.

Does QubeOS solve any problems you have on Bazzite?

>>106475769
I switch between Firefox and brave... but I am aware that the glory days of Firefox may be going away, and not because "hurr durr it no run as fast"
The ruling on Google for paying for being the default search is so fucking stupid. You can change the search. Bing could offer the same thing. Oh, but Android being owned by Google gets overturned in appeals? Shit makes my blood boil.
>DNS hole
Not familiar with it (familiar with the concept of switching your DNS, but not this specific service) is it trust worthy?
>Brave less likely to make you the product
If you sign up for their crypto wallets and ads, you are agreeing to be the product and be paid for your attention. Any profiting off crypto bro trading is only related to people using BAT which as far as crypto goes only has 20 cent volatility swings.
So the model is pretty ethical in my opinion, but that said you do need to make sure to turn the ad blocking to strict and it doesn't have all the top privacy measures turned on by default.
They are still a business after all, but the grudge the CEO has due to being targeted by globo homo also means he will stubbornly stab these fags in the back any chance he gets and is a wrench in their surveillance capitalism ecosystem model.
>>106475815
>sees pink and purple
>HURRR DUURRRR THEMS TRANNY FAGGOT COLORS THEREFORE YOU ARE A TRANNY FAGGOT! I AM GONNA USE A REAL MANLY TRANNY FAGGOT HATING DISTRO LIKE RED HAT OR FEDORA OR OPEN SUES! THOSE HAVE MANLY COLORS AND NEVER WOULD LET A TRANNY FAGGOT CONTRIBUTE SHIT!
you are a retard and a faggot who obsesses over tranny cock when no one asked. Also purple isn't a tranny flag color.
Cope faggot!

>>106476055
That's a shame, so basically only for raspberry pis and such. I thought it would be funny and cute to use Puppy Linux as my main desktop.
>Does QubeOS solve any problems with Bazzite I have
I don't have any problems with Bazzite.
I like the concept of being able to compartmentalize my web, gaming, and business activities, but that's about it.
Bazzite really does feel like what windows 11 should have been to me.

>>106472743 (OP)
what the fuck is bazzite lol

fedora and mint are ok

games are a mixed bunch it depends a bit but usually you can figure something good out with some fiddling

>>106476250
>What is Bazzite
Fork of Fedora with the graphics drivers, other utility drivers, installers and other tools pre-installed and optimized for playing games.
It's immutable and lags behind slightly on graphic drivers to make sure that the driver updates are stable and users don't fuck it up.

>>106476189
>Not familiar with it (familiar with the concept of switching your DNS, but not this specific service) is it trust worthy?
DNS-hole isn't really a service. A DNS Sinkhole is a generalized term.

I personally use Pi-hole, I just hate their name and the association of Pis being toys and not tools. (though they often are)

There's other self-hosted DNS options, DNSMasq, blocky, adguard-home, Maza ad blocking, Technitium DNS. Though I don't know how trustworthy each of them are, I think they are each open-source with Apache-2, GPL-3, or EUPL-1.2 licenses.

Can I trust PiHole? Raspberry Pis aren't a very secure platform. I choose to. It works very well the way I've configured it. It blocks most telemetry and advertising, and privacy badger supposedly tells me when/if it fails. Also only takes like 20 minutes to set up.

Hello /g/uys i want to get linux, looking at manjaro and ubuntu gonna need an office auite equivalent, some light gaming and other software like a text editor, compiler, blender, gimp, etc.
What do i choose and why, as i say looking at manjaro and ubuntu rn.

>>106472743 (OP)
Use Mint, (K)Ubuntu or Bazzite (or another uBlue variant). Most other distros will cause headaches at some point.

>>106476690
I followed this thing to give me either OpenSUSE or Debian, Manjaro is not in this, is Manjaro any good and which of these should i pick?

>>106472743 (OP)
I like PikaOS the most. Bazzite is cool too, Mint would be my 3rd choice.

>>106476953
nevermind i chose kubuntu

>>106473083
>but it still defaults to ext4
Let me guess you NEED more?