Thread 106494670

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 14400F budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti
Workstation: 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P, ASUS XG259CS
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), XG32UCWMG (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Omissions
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

All you fags seething over us still on 1080p should realize there arent any good 1440p 24 inch monitors. Also oil not spending 700 dollars to get mire than 60 fps, cope.

>>106494670 (OP)
Are the B580 and RTX3060 the best cards for budget AI sloppa?

>>106494719
I’m*, more*. Nigger autocorrect cant do anything right

Should i buy used cards from AliExpress just for the hell of it?

>>106494739
love me chinese games and products

>>106494719
1440p 27 is better ppi than 24 1080p and more immersive, 60 fps feels like molasses once you experience 120fps+. Also good 1440p monitors with 144hz or more cost less than 300 USD now. You are near homelessness tier poverty and seething.

>>106494727
no ranjeesh, i own my own house, car, and gaming pc you shitskin poorfag. Unless someones paypigging for a 5090/4090 power-usage is simply not a concern for anyone not turd-world poverty level in this general.

>>106494739
if you're living in 2018 and want to make mining rigs for crypto, sure. Or make budget pcs for nieces/nephews, its probably worth the risk.

>>106494870
Yeah well how about i rape you, smug bastard.
>immersion
I do not care for this buzzword

>>106494988
so you just are a plain idiot
good to know

>>106494724
for that you want at least 16gb nvidia
there isn't much choice

1080p is how Jesus will play video games when he comes back. 1440p are 4k are a meme
This is a fact

>>106495130
1440p is a meme only. By 2039 we will all be on 4k 120hz displays.

>>106495088
i bet you basedface everytime some globohomo cunt politician talks about renewable energy scams as "the future".

>>106495146
2039, fair timeline. Maybe Steam will have increased their font scaling by then.
>>106495130
poor lmao

>>106495159
>1440p poorfag seething about the 1080p and 8k masterrace
lol

>>106495236
>8k
You actual doofus

>>106494719
a 4k 160hz 27" SS IPS monitor is like 300$ you even get dualmode on some or some shit
this should be the bare minimum if you aren't blind

wake me up when 5k qdoled or 4k RGB oleds are out
I'm going to sleep

>>106495265
Nigger I specifically specified TWENTY-FOUR inches

>>106495123
It's double the price

>>106494670 (OP)
intel just launched a new gpu and no ones yapping about it. what gives? B50

>>106495123
>>106495619
>>106494724
Can the B580 do AI stuff? If so, why can't the jeet cards?

>>106495911
nmp

Hey does anyone else just think about trannies and Radeon Gpus 16 hours a day?

>>106496043
I feel like the poorfag who seethes about nvidia 24/7 does kek

Realistically, how hard would it be to switch out the sensor in my mouse that has an abysmal polling rate?

>>106494719
you can use the 24.5" gaymen mode on a 27" monitor to get 1440p 1:1 pixels at that screen size.

>>106496188
You can get generic mice from taiwan/china that have the latest pixart sensor for cheap.

>>106496188
give it a try and let us know how it went

>>106495130
>1080p is how Jesus will play video games when he comes back.
Jesus is being created by Jensen Huang as we speak. I guarantee you he will at least be using 8k 120hz res if not greater.

>>106496285
i quite like my mouse though
>>106496293
cant wait for the upvotes

>>106496308
>i quite like my mouse though
https://www.eloshapes.com/
surely there's a mouse with the same shape out there.

>>106495911
what are the odds intel's graphics division exists in 2 years?

1) are 8k polling rate keyboards a scam against gamer's?
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/collections/8k-polling-rate-keyboards

2) are analog keyboards a scam?

>>106496347
gamers*

>>106496347
>are analog keyboards a scam?
There are definite benefits, whether it's worth the $200 or the janky software is a different matter.

>>106494724
5080 or 5090 (preferrable) if you do ai video upscaling.

>>106496347
very high polling rate keyboards are stupid. past 1000hz is diminishing returns for a lot of devices and just eats up cpu performance. just invest in better key switches that activate faster because they have less travel time.

>>106496299
the only thing Jensen can make is the antichrist

>>106496299
with goyscaling and goyframes*

my render finally finished on this 5080.... Model was using full 16 GB of vram with another 31GB on the system ram.
I want a 5090 space heater so bad rn.

>>106496772
what the fuck are you rendering, a map of the universe?

>>106495130
Jesus will give us real time retinal displays. We just think about the game we want to play and it will appear in front of us at any distance and size and resolution we want with perfect real time frame rates.

>>106496188
It's doable, difficulty depending on the mouse and how diy you are. There are plenty of youtube tutorials.

>turn on DLDSR
>my 1440p monitor becomes 4k
>more desktop space and it looks better
Heh, think I'll hold off on buying another monitor. Nothing personal, rabbi.

>>106496972
imagine how good downscaling 6k or 8k to a 4k monitor will be.
You are getting the mcvalue meal version

>>106493640
I own tons of Noctua fans already.

>>106496812
270p video to 1080p. It is magical how good it turned out though.
I really wonder how good the professional cloud based models would look. Topaz wants to charge insane prices for that service though.
I am curious how much it would be to get a VM with 3 5090s for rendering videos.

>>106497037
I paid mcvalue meal prices as well

>>106497087
you're engaged in a logical fallacy; the more you spend, the more you save.

>>106497148
Thank you Jensen, I will now buy two 5090s and a new 4k oled.

When does memory bandwidth actually matter? Is it a resolution thing?

intel still has no llm option to match the 6950xt

>>106497156
did the 5090 becoe king of vr?

Does it make any sense anymore to build a mini-ITX work machine with no dGPU? Unfortunately it seems like it'd be impossible to match the value proposition of the aliexpress ryzen mini PCs. I'm a bit worried about their reliability and build quality though.

>drop laptop
>black bar / unusable bottom of screen
it's over unless it's just the ribbon, is it even worth it to try and get a replacement screen and do a build down for a laptop from 2021?

>>106497539
Why did you drop it?

>>106494670 (OP)
>Ifixit screwdriver
>no tactility
>slips between fingers
>screws itself apart after some use
Seldom I handled a worse piece of shit

>>106494670 (OP)
How does the cardboard not catch on fire from the heat from the parts?

>>106497205
when moving large amounts of data around, think loading a model, not gaymen
>>106497156
>>106497148
Pic rel

>>106497539
>>>black bar / unusable bottom of screen
that's just the bezel/chin

>>106497573
left it on the couch and walked upstairs for food, when I came back it was upside down on the ground. Maybe I tipped it when I walked away, gravity, or the cat got me. still works from an external so I think overall the computer is fine besides the screen

>>106497589
the autoignition temperature of cardboard is above 200 C
Your computer is going to cease functioning long before that

>>106497205
>he doesn't know about the a6000

>>106494670 (OP)
hello im from estonia
can u give me the best performance per value ratio (ddr5 build) ?

cpu/gpu only

>>106497770
>tfw no eesti gf

>>106497810
what matters is delta frames / $

i your own uplift

>>106497429
>a mini-ITX work machine with no dGPU?
What kind of work could you possibly be doing that wouldn't benefit from a gpu?

>>106497205
5090 users should upgrade to the nvidia RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell workstation edition.

>>106495911
>and no ones yapping about it. what gives? B50
Silent killer that's making Nvidia and Intel shaking in their boots. We're winning team blue lads.

>>106497205
>No RTX PRO 6000
we all have our ways of coping

>>106497945
lmao.
is that a fake pic? if not why the imbalance?

>>106497945
>12400f with a blackwell
holy based

>>106497205
hwinfo64 has a memory controller utilization sensor for the gpu. it will give you a rough idea when memory bandwidth is needed. you will see it go up high during raytracing, 4k gaming, and ai.

direct die cooling sounds so sexy

>>106497945
>>106497960
He's also running a 7200MT/s kit @ 4800MT/s JEDEC mode.
The CPU's memory controller isn't good enough to run that speed... but what a rebel.

>>106497998
gpus already do this and it ranges from sexy to dead card

only 1.1 fps on a 5080 interpolating an 8k 60fps video to 120fps. lmao.
would need dual rtx 6000 to solve this problem.

>>106498040
like a decade ago i did video interpolation on a cpu. took like an hour just for 720p60fps.

>>106498070
are we allowed to post semi nsfw links to catbox.moe on this board?
I can show what the upscaler is capable of.

I'm testing out the interpolation now. I've seen videos that were rendered with svp where it made a noticable difference. that rife/svp interpolation is supposed to be faster.
I'm not sure if there's any gpu on the market that can interpolate 8k60 to 8k120 in real time.

>current build: ryzen 2600x + gtx 1060 6gb
If I just upgrade the GPU will my CPU be enough for modern games?
Or should I do a full rebuild?

>>106498040
you're just doing stupid things with your hardware.

topaz is there to make 480 dvd content watchable on a modern display, and to make 8 fps anime scenes less stuttery

>>106498099
>you're just doing stupid things with your hardware.
lol.
This is one of the most useful features I have seen it do. I've already upscaled a dvd before with decent success on it. That took like 8 hours overnight.

>>106498113
Use lighter weight models
lower target res
not everything needs to be interpolated

>>106498088
>are we allowed to post semi nsfw links to catbox.moe on this board?
sure
>I've seen videos that were rendered with svp where it made a noticable difference. that rife/svp interpolation is supposed to be faster.
rife is really cool. but different models for it vary for different videos. for instance earlier versions tend to do better for anime while the up to date versions are more optimized for realistic films.

>>106498088
Wow an honest to god newfag, that's kind of cute.

>>106498142
>Wow an honest to god newfag, that's kind of cute.
i've been on this site since 2011. before you were born.

>>106498166
And yet you ask a question only someone who is fresh off the boat would ask. You're just so cute I could eat you up.

>>106498197
Low iq autistic people arent cute, they're retarded.

I only ever ask retarded questions and no one ever calls ME cute >:(

>>106498207
ok qt

>>106498207
You need to post pictures of yourself in a umaru cosplay.

>>106498197
yes, because i dont live on this board and suck jannie dick like you do.

>>106498238
Haha nothing cuter than a newcutie stamping his cute little feet.

>>106498287
use case for feet

>>106498381
If you have cute feet you can sell pics and buy a 5090.

I boughted an intel B580

should i buy one of the new c64 coming out? where do you get c64 peripherals from anymore anyway?

is the difference in power draw between different ram producers (samsung, hynix, micron) negligible? particularly for laptop ram (ddr5 sodimm)
which group makes the most efficient ram?

>>106497945
>we all have our ways of coping
Like you do everyday when you suck njudeas cock please tell me more about this jewish company with the all seeing eye logo and there company name which translates to greed nexy you will be saying we evolved from monkeys and live on a spinning ball in space

was 650 bad for a used 4070 ti super?

>>106498723
It's alright if it comes with at least 2 years of warranty

>>106498574
I'm guessing you would want more dense ram that has less memory chips. The single sided nvme drives will use less power than the dual sided ones for example becaues they have less nand chips on them.

>>106494670 (OP)
>silently upgrade the x870-a to the x870-a S
>nitropath dram slots, fixed q release slim
>replaced all black plastics with white plastics
>its a china region exclusive
its like asus hates making money

>>106498848
They'll come out with new boards for zen 6 that have higher memory ratings and better power delivery.

>>106498853
the thing is that I don't trust any first revision hardware from asus be it graphics cards or motherboards. I've been burnt by those having manufacturing or design issues before

>>106498915
zen 6 is going to have an overhauled io die that will be able to handle higher mem speeds. I'm guessing it will suppor the new ddr5 ram that can do 10000mhz

>>106498920
current cpus can already run 8000-8800mhz ram but only if the motherboard doesnt have messed up traces or memory training settings
any speeds higher than that will only double down on having a board that's problem free which asus has a history of screwing up until they release a rev2 board 3-6 months later

>>106498848
asus
more like anus

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/rBynDj

Got a case, a 4070 super and a bunch of sata and an nvme to go along with this. Not sure about the motherboard and PSU. PCPP says 519 wattage, could I get away with using my current 550 watt seasonic focus plus gold or is the headroom too little?

>>106499332
7800x3d uses like 40-100W? and 4070S uses like 250W at worst
I think 550W psu will do fine with that system

>>106499332
looks alright
however, i think that board has some lane sharing fuckery going on, so if you populate the board with multiple nvme then you'll be kneecapping your gpu
since you have a bunch of storage you are better off just looking at the pcie lane distributions and shares and find one that won't fuck other components by making them run with less lanes if you populate the m.2 slots
in regards to the psu, I've been looking at the tier list in the op and I've concluded anything under 750w is just asking for something to go wrong
for like £25 more than msi you could get the montech titan gold 750w which is better than the msi or for £23 more than msi the corsair rm750x which is way better than those two

>>106499437
As far as I can tell that board doesn't do any bifurcation
Since its X670E and not X870E the lanes that would have gone to USB4 just go to another M.2

>>106499332
>motherboard
Probably overkill for what is (assumedly) a gaming build. It's fine if you need the specific feature set but could save some money if not.
Not to countersignal the other anon but the lane sharing isn't a big deal for gaming. PCIe5x8 has twice the bandwidth of PCIe3x16 (which is still enough for a 5090). Different story if you're going to do GPU compute though.

>could I get away with using my current 550 watt seasonic
Yeah probably. Might trip OCP if it's an old (<2019) Focus+ but that's more of an issue with the architecture than the raw power. Suck it and see.

>>106495307
a 27" screen 3 inches further back is 24"

>>106496347
>1) are 8k polling rate keyboards a scam against gamer's?
probably pointless but hey

>2) are analog keyboards a scam?
no considering it can actuate and deactivate way faster than mechanicals
just buy a wooting

>>106496972
>supersampled on desktop
nah nigga we aint doin that

I'm still using the Xonar DGX (I think that's the name of the card itself, picrel), but will this break when I update to Windows 11? Should I get a new sound card or maybe a USB DAC? I know fuck all about this.

>>106499708
it might break who knows
get a usb dac. it will always work perfectly with the in-built drivers

>>106499721
>get a usb dac
Recommendations?

>>106499660
>nah nigga we aint doin that
Why not? I have more room for activities with no real downside. If a game doesn't run too well then I just run it in 1440p. There are no negatives.