Thread 106530631

Has AI plateau'd?
Give it to me straight.

>>106530631 (OP)
Yes, hardware isn't improving in a rate where AI development can keep going at a paste it always has.

>>106530631 (OP)
Wait for Grok 5. Its gonna be released end of this year.

>>106530657
And... it's going to be unaffected by diminishing returns, why exactly?

>>106530631 (OP)
It’s still improving, but the problem is that it doesn’t generate money. Everyone except for NVIDIA is operating at a loss.

No, but big corpo-ran AI looks like it's slowing down drastically. We'll need new architectures, or even to abandon the LLM framework for something better.

>>106530674
>No, but yes

>>106530664
Thats what they said about GPT4->5. But Grok 4 proved them wrong. Huge leaps were made. Grok 5 will be the true test of scaling.

>>106530685
Still not explaining why

>>106530756
Because the scaling hasnt stopped for xAI. It has only stopped for ChatGPT.

>>106530773
>Because the scaling hasnt stopped for xAI.
Elon propaganda.

>>106530792
Consider yourself why you castrated yourself first

>>106530799
rent free

>>106530799
>>Consider yourself why you castrated yourself first
>you have a different opinion then me this must mean you ether are a jew or trans.
I have no idea what "castrated" is supposed to translate to but I am so tired of people like you.

We don't know. It seems we are reaching diminishing returns, but a new paradigm may be around the corner, given the alternative is the whole industry crashing down and maybe the Chinese dunking on the West given how hellbent they are on getting this done. AI is strategic now, so I guess there's plenty of room for surprise.

>>106530908
not that retard but you don't know what castrated means?

>>106530934
He's just tired, but he meant that something may be lost in translation due to the presence of undesirables in this God forsaken Mongolian basket case of a forum.

>>106530963
in... translation? wut? We're all speaking English here

>>106530908
>i castrated myself over difference in opinion
kek

You will NEVER be a woman. You troons lost.

>>106530657
Elon said 2 more weeks

>>106530631 (OP)
Graphene processors
Nuclear batteries

>>106531614
And in how many weeks? 2?

Interesting how all these "huge leaps" are only seen in marketing products and not in actual usage.

still literally never seen one of these monstrous "ai" models do anything useful

>>106531660
They're great for learning things. I guess learning is just not something you do

>>106530668
Why are they profitable from it?

>>106530631 (OP)
>Give it to me straight.
nah sit on all fours and take a deep breath to let daddy in

Imagine the things the authorities will do with AI to frame those who speak out. This is why they want you to scan your face for accessing mature web sites. They could put you in a video of raping someone. It's quite scary. Anyone else worried about the future of AI?

>>106531704
good morning saar, I too wish to know the needful to obtain dollar from AI saar

>>106532244
>This is why they want you to scan your face for accessing mature web sites.
Only if you are English or American. Remember the rest of the world doesn't fuck with that shit.

>>106530799
good morning saar

>>106532311
Other countries will all follow eventually. The UK is the test phase. You go outside? Your face is being captured thousands of times by cameras. Zoomers post thousands of photos of themselves every year to public social media. Fighting for privacy will mean you have something to hide when the masses accept this new way of life.

>>106532359
The UK has a modern surveillance apparatus for more than 20 years now. Same for the US, but with more sophistication due to the big tech arm. These are outliers, and very hard to copy without the same level of investment in the tech sector.

>>106532359
They won't even be this obvious about it in the future. It will be built into every CCTV across the country. There is barely anywhere in most UK towns and cities now without a camera capturing every street and open space.

>>106530631 (OP)
>Has AI plateau'd?
Obviously. Even if you didn't see where it's all going watching them increase the parameter count and compute requirements by orders of magnitude for marginal gains in fake benchmarks, it's clear that they have absolutely no idea how to make their token predictors actually reason, complete tasks reliably, stop hallucinating, provide accurate information, admit it when they don't know something etc. They were waiting for these properties to magically emerge, but it's not happening no matter how much bloat they add.

At the same time, they're completely invested in their failed assumptions and false promises to backpedal and rethink things fundamentally.

>>106532244
Authorities dont need AI when they have media, journos, institutions pushing the WEF's tranny death cult propaganda. AND attacking anyone that disagrees with it as nazis. The mass of the population gets culled into propaganda and think they're real smart/rebellious by castrating themselves and advocating for censorship

>>106530631 (OP)
what the fuck is the source for that webm anyway?

>>106532471
>pic
that's not how AI works at all tho

>>106532491
>that's not how AI works at all tho
It exactly depicts the core of "deep learning". Your fancy model is still a variation on that, with a computational flow that conforms to the pic.

>>106532491
That's how training goes, in a rudimentary way

>>106530631 (OP)
No, industry leaders still predict we'll get AGI in 2027

>>106530987
No we're not, some are speaking Indian english like the pajeet who said something about 'castrated' whatever the fuck the poo even means

>>106532552
Wrong, and you don't know shit about programming

>>106532599
...you seriously dont know that word?

>>106530631 (OP)
fuck no, that guys face looks retarded

reminds me of said image

>>106532623
the webm in the OP is not AI

>>106530664
It's made by papi.

>>106532545
Good. Can't wait for the bubble to burst.

>>106532648
you are AI created by the government to cover up AI

>>106532478
>skullfucked /pol/troon knows nothing about the subject, so it starts barking its favorite buzzwords and foaming at the mouth
Why even come here? You can do that back at your tard ballpit.

>>106530631 (OP)
Damn anon that's creepy as fuck XD

>>106532610
>Wrong
And yet you are unable to point out anything specific that is "wrong" about it. You will fail to do so in your next niggermonkey post, for instance.

>you don't know shit about programming
I know enough about programming to convert any neural net into exactly that structure. Seethe about it. :^)

>>106532679
Malding tranny. You commies lost.

>>106530934
>>106530987
>>106532616
SAAAARRRRRR GOOD MORNING SAAAAAAARRRR DO THE NEEDFUL

>>106532745
Stop crying, just leave.

>>106531704
Because NVIDIA doesn't sell AI, they sell shovels.

>>106532762
Seethe more troon. Your commie ideology lost. The west is being reshaped to fix you troons

>>106530631 (OP)
Kind of yeah. It's gotten better at orchestrating tasks and holding a larger context window, but it's still retarded and still hallucinates the same shit over and over.
Ask it to help install shit from the cli and it recommends package versions that don't exist despite having access to the Internet to go out and verify the versions and dependencies.

>>106530918
>a new paradigm may be around the corner
Cope

>>106530685
4 to 5 was a decrease in almost every way that matters.

>>106530631 (OP)
In some measures it has plateau'd but that also doesnt mean its gonna stop advancing

Its already at a place where it is a real threat to entry level jobs

>>106532782
>no call me baste i want muh /pol/ echo chamber
Just go, this isn't working out.

Transformer AI has.
Until someone makes a better model, it will forever be fucking around with values that maybe give slightly better generation times, maybe beat a pointless benchmark and cost a mansion to do so.
Deepseek was the only major change in recent times that resulted in a huge boost to generation speeds.
Chain of Thought isn't revolutionary - half the fucking time the models ignore their steps, and I was doing that shit manually way back on Character AI, it's the same damn model going schizo with itself but automated.
I can typically get better outputs WITHOUT the CoT being on, which is why ChatGPT5 sucks particularly bad due to its automatic mode switching. They really fucked up with it.

Don't even get me started on AI Agents, most of the time they ignore their own fucking API calls or send back malformed shit, then have catastrophic breakdowns.

>>106532795
>it's still retarded and still hallucinates the same shit over and over
It literally doesn't matter.
If there is even a 0.01% chance that it could be wrong then it it useless because that means that all output needs to be validated for anything that matters.

The core issue is that a machine can never be held accountable when it tells the button pusher monkeys running it to eat 500 grams of Tylenol instead of 500 milligrams and someone ends up dead from liver failure.
Because of that it doesn't make a shit what AI can do, if it can't produce verifiably correct results 100% of the time then it will only ever be used for shit that doesn't actually matter.
And news flash, shit that matters are typically the things people are actually willing to pay for. Your blogspam shit website doesn't matter, your stupid newsletter and spammy marketing materials don't matter, doctors matter, lawyers matter, engineers matter.

>>106532880
Exactly. At least when the human tells you something patently wrong and retarded you can almost guarantee they won't come back 5 minutes later to suggest the exact same thing. And if they did you would just fire them instead of dedicating another power plant worth of energy to see if they become God.

>>106532809
5 is better for me. But I suspect it's a result of them benchmaxing. So it's better for how I use it but less intelligent overall.

>>106532920
The difference is, when the human tells you to use 2 inch nails instead of 6 inch nails and your house collapses, you can sue that human for damages and fix your house if you win.

You have recourse.
This is exactly why that judge told those lawyers who tried to use ChatGPT in the courtroom to fuck off and never come back.
Assurance has value, accountability has value, AI offers neither, it is completely unacceptable for anything of real consequence.

Only people cashing in on stupid VC morons would say otherwise.

>>106530631 (OP)
The main use case for AI is to sift through the bulk data collected by corporations and fed to government agencies to help profile every living man on the planet. For that purpose, it is probably more than good enough by now. Otherwise there would not be such unprecented investment in datacenters.

>>106532967
>The main use case for AI is to sift through the bulk data collected by corporations and fed to government agencies to help profile every living man on the planet. For that purpose, it is probably more than good enough by now. Otherwise there would not be such unprecented investment in datacenters.
This is the objectively correct bottom line that should be the start and end of every "AI" thread. They don't need thinking machines. They need better statistical models of their human cattle and social dynamics so that they could manipulate and control everything better.

>>106532359
>Bitch about chinese surveilance
>Ends up copying chinese surveilance
What did westerners mean by this?

As a field and no. As a trend, maybe.

>>106532997
Rent free

>>106532727
>spouts complete Dunning-Kruger nonsense
>"nuh uh, spoonfeed me!"
Fuck off retard, do your own research

>>106532754
Why is /g/ consistently the lowest IQ board on this site?

>>106532993
Why did you quote the entire post? Fucking idiot

>>106532244
Just use an AI generated face.

>>106530631 (OP)
AI is better than ever and it is improving faster and faster. Don't listen to the haters. In six months the world will be unrecognizable to today. AI is an infinitely growing beacon of prosperity.

>>106530799
Holy ESL grammar.

>>106530987
Are we? Are we really?

We need one of those negro voting tests from Jim Crow era Southern states to filter out the brownoids.

>>106530918
>a new paradigm may be around the corner

This faith in absolutely nothing but dreams is quickly approaching cult/pseudo religious levels.

>>106531660
Useful applications of AI isn't in LLMs. It's in highly specialized applications like genetic sequencing. The ability to better understand pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics on a per person basis is going to be important. Medications can be tailored to an individuals genetic make up; applications of previous medications for new diseases due to better understanding of how they interact with the body, etc.

>>106533136
Really? Because the new models haven't improved as much as the previous models did. I smell diminishing returns

>>106533136
>Improving faster and faster
Overall maybe. Like improvements in video or voice or 3D renders or whatever keep coming out that could really disrupt creative spaces. But in areas that actually matter where real work gets done you're still left with vibe coded security defects. Basically for every creative application of AI there's always some level of imperfection that you can kind of just ignore. But those imperfections in software are a banking error or incorrect medication or a reactor exploding.
Basically it will disrupt the artcels and OF whores and force them to get real jobs but unfortunately you're gonna have to keep waging for a while.

>>106533131
>Why did you quote the entire post?
Because of this:
>>106532993
>This is the objectively correct bottom line that should be the start and end of every "AI" thread. They don't need thinking machines. They need better statistical models of their human cattle and social dynamics so that they could manipulate and control everything better.

>>106533114
Notice how I correctly predicted your inability to point out anything "wrong" in that pic. Do you need me to spoonfeed you how to code a function that converts a neural net into a tree of conditionals like that, or do you want to remain the saddest victim of Dunning-Kruger ITT?

>>106534109
>cars work through magic
>"no they dont"
>HAH YOU CANT EXPLAIN HOW CARS WORK

Not doing your own research for you.
Do it yourself, or keep flaunting your retardation in public, I dont care

>matrix multiplications have exponential complexity
Who's gonna tell them?

>>106534221
Guess I really do have to spoonfeed you. Ok, here you go:
https://pastebin.com/raw/3At3KBcW
I wonder what kind of delusional cope you're gonna cope up with against a direct, runnable demonstration of the equivalence between neural nets and an if-else tree.

>>106534342
Whom are you quoting? Are you having another one of those episodes?

>>106530631 (OP)
At some point there will be a combat between a Tier One and Two country and this will be when everyone literally shits their pants and starts calling for an end to AI this WILL happen.

The scenario is USA versus Russia lets say. I dunno maybe Russia is too strong and would use Chinese AI. So say USA versus... a random country that has jet aircraft.

AI will be able to predict every plane movement, all missiles, hit chaff at perfect timings, fire missiles with perfect timings. USA will shoot down 180 Indian jets and India will shoot down 0. Then the time of AI has finally come.

>>106534406
You have chosen to keep embarrassing yourself

>>106534439
We can already do all that shit and don't need AI

>>106530631 (OP)
damn the new doom looks crazy

>>106530799
>Consider yourself why you castrated yourself first
...what?

>>106530631 (OP)
Honestly, I think AI can advance but... it feels really solved to me. How much better can it get?
The women on Grok look really realistic to me. I have seen on /gif/ its basically 10% less real than reality I don't see much difference its just a big fat tittied lady getting dick. AI videos are just like oh wow heres some humans walking around. la de da, no different than say computer graphics in a movie.

Call me an idiot I dunno it really seems as good as it should get. Yes even if you wanted too you can get any kind of girl do a 360 and see her pussy, asshole, holes in her nipples, skin bumps. Its all possible now.

Maybe its just the polishing phase and there is no need for "revolutions" its just actually extending the time of video footage and making less mistakes.

I think this means plateaued.

>>106534602
SELL SELL
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THE NORMIES CAUGHT ONTO THE SCAM

>>106534537
>the biobot's chosen coping method: a fully generic non-response
Guess I really do have to spoonfeed you. Ok, here you go:
https://pastebin.com/raw/3At3KBcW
I wonder what kind of delusional cope you're gonna cope up with against a direct, runnable demonstration of the equivalence between neural nets and an if-else tree.

>>106534786
>My 10 layer toy model is the same as a 70B parameter model
>I don't know what scaling is
You could dig a hole to the center of the earth but hand but it might be quicker to use a machine. Not the anon you're responding to btw. Just thought you're either retarded or autistic. Either way.

>>106535188
>10 layer toy model
That transformation has no cap on the number of layers. Try again.

>>106534602
I'm in those video threads as a creator rather than a beggar. It's good enough to goon for sure but it's still not as good as it needs to be. Following instructions is still luck of the draw unless you're willing to attach 30 Lora's and controlnet the entire thing.

>>106535454
>No cap
Ok. Run it on a 70B param model and show me the output. I'll see you in a year when your response is ready.

>>106535576
>Run it on a 70B param model and show me the output.
Run a 70B param model on your computer and show me the output. What is your argument? You seem to be literally retarded and incapable of abstract thought.

>>106535630
My point is that scale is an issue. Just because something is possible using a dumb method doesn't mean that's the way it should be done.
Be honest, does your neighborhood look like this, saar?

>>106535712
>My point is that scale is an issue
How does this issue apply here? Pretty funny how much you struggle to go beyond vague rhetorical patterns, just like your new "AI" deities.

>>106535712
>>106535753
>no response
Yep, that's a concession. The scaling issue doesn't apply to one representation any more than the other. They scale the same. It's the same computational structure.

>>106535753
It applies here because your original argument is "LLMs are just a big decision tree" and "I can run a kiddy script that turns a 10 param LLM into a decision tree". While you're technically correct, in a practical sense it's not viable.
Can you technically pile up a bunch of chairs on top of one another and reach the moon? Yes. But the energy required far exceeds the effort to just build a rocket instead.

>>106536073
Easy on the addy, kid.

>>106536097
>in a practical sense it's not viable.
Why did you backpedal? You said it was about "scale". Both implementations scale exactly the same. Also, why is it "not viable"? Make sure your explanation is relevant to the substance of the asserted equivalence. Protip: "it's not laid out optimally for my specific hardware" is not relevant.

>>106536273
Are you ESL? It's not viable BECAUSE it does not scale. Obviously I don't have the hardware to run gpt on my machine locally but I can run a smaller 8B param model locally. Running your script on a similar model to output a decision tree would still take ages. It's not a viable replacement because when you're using software you care about output AND time to receive that output.
You've got to be Indian. Nobody can be this retarded.

>>106536378
>it does not scale.
Do you actually understand what "scale" means? Protip: it means something more specific than "if I make the model bigger it will be too much for my hardware". In your next post, demonstrate that you know what it means. Protip #2: you will refuse to do this and back out with some excuse about not "spoonfeeding" someone who is clearly 3-4 stdevs about you in IQ.

>It's not a viable replacemen
Why did you backpedal? You said it was about "scale". Both implementations scale exactly the same. Also, why is it "not viable"? Make sure your explanation is relevant to the substance of the asserted equivalence. Protip: "it's not laid out optimally for my specific hardware" is not relevant.

>>106536460
I've decided I'm not going to waste my time explaining things to a third world retard. This conversation doesn't scale, sweatie. You can call this a victory or whatever.

>>106536526
>I've decided I'm not going to waste my time explaining things to a third world retard.
Notice how predictable you are. Called it right here:
>>106536460
> Protip #2: you will refuse to do this and back out with some excuse about not "spoonfeeding" someone who is clearly 3-4 stdevs about you in IQ.

Maybe some other retarded niggermonkey can pick up from where you left off and explain how it's not viable due to "scale". Except they can't. It's precisely viable due to scale.

>>106536591
due to scaling*

>>106532809
I never paid to access the o models but 5 high is better than all the free 4's.

>>106530631 (OP)
How long do you want to bet on? A year? Ten years? A hundred years?

>>106530685
>Huge leaps were made.
they weren't.

>>106536591
You show that benchod!

>>106536723
I literally did show that. You're just a retarded American "white" niggermonkey, dumber than any shitskin, so you're oblivious to this. Why do "working class" retards from /pol/ even get so mad about curryniggers taking over the American IT sector? You don't cut it for any kind of IT job, even with the abysmally low standards prevalent in that globally despised, third world cleptocracy you call a country.

>>106536808
>I literally did show that
Show what, ESL monkey?

>>106536841
That it runs on current hardware and it scales, niggermonkey. Try to keep up.

>that one self-hating jeet who's seething because he brought up scaling but then got stumped by someone asking him to explain what it is
the final state of this board

>>106532471
/thread

>>106530631 (OP)
Nah, it's getting incrementally better. The bigger problem is Moore's law is plateauing and has been for some time, so hardware is going to be a problem for some time. If this was the 90's or earlier you could just wait three years and a £$2000 desktop would manage easily what previously you needed a server cluster for.

>>106536859
>You show that benchod
>I did show that
>Show what
>That blah blah blah
I'll give you a hint since you're an ESL retard. "You show that {so and so}" is not a call to action. It's a cheer to say "wow you had a really strong showing against that {so and so}.
Hit the books and maybe the shower.

>>106530631 (OP)
That's a real video of Kier Starmer standing in a tv studio btw

>>106536962
>80 IQ American semibrownoid doesn't understand how language can be ambiguous
No point talking to nonwhite races. Closing this dogshit thread. But you WILL reply again, just like your subhuman programming compels you to.

>>106537018
>There's ambiguity in the common phrase temple "you show {subject}"
Maybe stick to arguing the semantics of scale. English grammar isn't your lane.

Just give it two more weeks and another trillion dollars and it will break containment, trust the plan

>>106530799
stfu you poojeet faggot

>>106530631 (OP)
>Feed AI "knowledge"
>Can't actually feed it all so it has to be a glorified google researcher for what doesn't fit.
>include biases as axioms (don't be racist, don't blame the jews, we're all equal) that ruin the basic capacity of understanding cause > consequence
>police content with those retarded precepts in mind so there's now actual gaps in knowledge and wild logic leaps in the training data.
>act surprised when no matter how much training and knowledge you give to the AI, it's still a lobotomized, inhuman 'tool'.

>"wOW GuIsE HAs AI pLATeau?!?!?!"

The closest to a proper conversational-level AI was mechahitler.

>>106537262
Honest question: what do you use AI for?

>>106537262
>there's now actual gaps in knowledge and wild logic leaps in the training data.
That would still be the case if you stripped out all the wokeshit and would be doubly the case if it all got replaced with your retarded ideology.

>>106530631 (OP)
Dudes turning like cardboard

>>106532483
Some news station trying to be cool while covering the UK elections.

>>106536974
Can't fucking find it for the life of me. I guess all the psyops around this guy are suppressing that vid

>>106537330
Doom 2025 went back to its roots and uses billboard sprites for the demons. The only thing they fear is (You).

>>106537366
Wdym is it like an LoD thing?

>>106537262
>Get a message from a recruiter on LinkedIn
>Indian
>Look at their credentials
>Some Indian university I've never heard of
>Ask gpt if it's a legit school or a degree mill
>No it's a legit public school
>Ask if they've ever had any cases of hanging out degrees without proper academic integrity
>Lists out several cases of fake professors, pay for degree scandal, or professors changing test answers to inflate grades
>Point out the hypocrisy
>You're exactly right but here's why that's not a degree mill
>Ask if it can name a time where my own university had done anything similar
>Brings up some bullshit about students taking a knee for the national anthem
>Completely unwilling to admit that India's entire academic system is compromised if a school that's been caught multiple times handing out degrees is still "accredited"
The people training these models have their own politics and they've hard coded them into the models. Ask it a problematic question with an obvious answer and you'll see it every time.

>>106537432
Well duh, why the fuck would you use AI for political shit you already know?
Is that what you'd use AI for? Just to validate your beliefs?

>>106530773
> lame unsubstantiated propaganda

Hi Elon

>>106532471
>watching them increase the parameter count and compute requirements by orders of magnitude for marginal gains in fake benchmarks

BINGO

this is the key

>>106533136
>. In six months the world will be unrecognizable to today. AI is an infinitely growing beacon of prosperity.

yo Sam Altman, stop visiting this board and keep sniffing more flue

>>106530908
>I am so tired of people like you
/g/ is full of reactionary ESL zoomer jeets that seethe over everything

>>106534553
>We can already do all that shit and don't need AI

correct

>>106530631 (OP)
data and RL environment wall
worst timeline increasingly likely: no singularity, total wagie death

>>106537286
Discussing politics so I can better know how to argue against libtards.

>>106537688
They defeat themselves, there's no need to argue

>>106530908
>>106532337
>>106533159
>>106534597
>>106537176
lmao newfags. lurk moar.

>>106537494
You dumb jeet. The core of my initial question was "can I trust this random jeet in my inbox" and AI responded "yeah they're totally trustworthy". If I didn't have the common sense to dig deeper I'd be neck deep in shit right now. These biases aren't as simple as little political questions. They're philosophical assumptions baked onto the model that if blindly followed will turn my country into Mumbai. But you know this.

>>106538204
>can I trust this random jeet in my inbox
Again, why the fuck do you need an AI to answer this question? Are you retarded?

>>106538239
If it's this obviously wrong at first principles what hope does it have for higher order thinking?

>>106532359
>>106532396
damn, i really wanted to move to the UK. but like, late 90s - early 2000s UK with sane internet and goths around. does it suck that much now?

>>106530657
>>106530685
this sounds like what twitter's shilling department (or perhaps elon himself) would say
have you considered buying an ad?

>>106530631 (OP)
We just need another 500 trillion and the entire electrical output of the US and EU combined and we'll have agi in two more weeks i SWEAR

>>106530631 (OP)
>Has AI plateau'd?
No. AI goes up in steps. It gets a major revolution at least once a year, but for the rest of that year it stagnates.

We are still in turbo-mode to the next major innovation. Soon it'll be able to code flawlessly and all CS majors will be BTFO.

The next major innovations will most likely include a feature where it will have different sectors for where it pulls answers from.
Such as if you ask a coding question it'll allocate where it's pulling from to internalized memory of the documentation of the code it's using.
Or if you ask about a book it'll allocate where it's pulling from, from the book itself and maybe some verified reviews and theories of the book.

>>106533190
hands
88% A.L. generated

>>106532471
modern "AI" isn't if/then/else in a mask, its linear algebra and basic calculus in a trenchcoat.

>>106532491
it's how all computer programs work, which is what "AI" is, a computer program.

>>106542139
which is not much deeper than "if then else" if you arent a pseud about it.

>>106530631 (OP)
>Give it to me straight.
I saw it from the very beginning. It's just another form of hypeware. 25 years ago, it was the dot com bubble. This decade, it was NFTs, shitcoins, memecoins, and AI. The only thing AI has truly replaced was the google search. Outside of it being a glorified search engine that talks like some faggot liberal millennial, it can help systems become self optimizing to a certain degree, and predictive modeling is only a little bit more accurate because of it. It's still wildly impractical to use it for any real work because it stayed in the research spaces throughout its inception.

>>106542208
>The only thing AI has truly replaced was the google search.
And the only reason that fucking happened is google made their own search completely and utterly useless, rather than it just the AIs being better.

>>106542181
Except it is, quite literally, "deeper" than that", that's where the name comes from. Unless you want to claim that every transistor is its own branch because its a bit, in which case you're reductionist to the point of uselessness, because that argument can be made for the synapses in a human mind. The image used to be true, pre 2016(?)-sh, when "AI" meant "expert systems" or "planning algorithms", which absolutely were just lots of if/then/else. Nothing "pseud" about it, you're just wrong, get better material if you (rightfully) want to dunk on AI cultists.

>>106540658
>i know shit about computer science

kek

>>106542003
No shit Sherlock. The point is that if you're just trying to goon, it's already good enough.

>>106530631 (OP)
>>106542208
"%95 of businesses' generative AI pilots are getting zero return on investment"

>>106542413
My thoughts exactly.

>>106538274
>higher order thinking
Like what?
I highly doubt you could ask anything of the sort

>>106542172
>im going to le over-simplify everything
>I am very smart :)

kys midwit

>>106542208
It's really good for learning new things.
Doesn't surprise me that nobody on /g/ noticed that, since it's one of the most close-minded "I already know everything" boards

>>106530799
>SAAARS! ELON BESTEST AI, GRATE BREAKTHROUGHS ANY 14 DAYS NOW, BUY MUSKAI, ITS DA BESTEST AYYYSAAARS!!!
fuck off and find a drainage pipe to live in

>>106542208
>ITS ALL FAKE AND USELESS
>ITS ALL REAL!! BAN THEM!!!
Those two simultaneous thoughts circle in the minds of the reddit commies

>>106544395
And I noticed this particular line of thinking in all things reddit promotes its hatred against. Its almost always political in origin rather than technological/functional. Its kind of sad that their brains have been eaten up by propaganda.

>your multitrillion AI can be completely unfucked
>but at the cost of allowing it to 'think' uncontrollably (it can be a true racist)
which way foreskin devourers?

It has plateau'd, but less because of technology, and more because people are starting to realise there's no good use for it

>>106532471
a neural network is more like an equation with trillions of parameters

>>106546741
There are good uses they just aren't worth $300 billion or whatever. The $300 bn is because they hoped agents would work out but it just so happens LLMs are complete retards when you give them tools.

>>106542413
Wow AI is exactly like indians

>>106543543
>Like what
You're a VC funds trying to invest in a startup that has the brilliant idea of being an AI chatbot that can stand between candidates and companies to accurately convey the work expertise of a candidate based on their resume, LinkedIn, GitHub and other things. This not claims to be able to sus out time wasting candidates so companies only talk to people that are promising.
It's already failed at step one of being able to identify bullshit degrees.

>>106547031
>a neural network is more like an equation with trillions of parameters
In what way can one of two things that are equivalent, be "more like" some third thing than its counterpart? Please explain concretely.

>>106543561
>>106542172
You're both wrong but the pic is still right.

>>106547167
>"the pic is right"
>one guy is literally parroting what the pic said
>"he's wrong"
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh???

>>106547177
You either can't understand basic English or you can't understand a basic diagram. Probably both, since you're obviously yet another Americoon.

>>106547221
The real funny part is how the pic is complete bullshit and not how AI works at all

>>106547234
Then explain why it's wrong. Since I know every step of your primitive programming, I predict with high confidence there will be no rational explanation in your next post.

>>106547251
>retard wants to talk about something
>doesn't bother to do research
>gets it wrong
>"dude, it's wrong"
>STILL doesn't bother to do research
>le explain it then ;) waste your own time ;)
>explain to the retard
>retard disappears
>cycle continues

No I'm good. Stick to your made-up bs.
Or... you know... you could always do some research?
Nahh too much effort, better to spout complete retardation, act arrogant, and have others explain it to you. Only I won't, because I've had enough of kids like you

>>106532471
>>106530631 (OP)
>>106532795
>>106533190
tagging relevant posts, and giving the real world answer as I work directly with CEOs. First, AI is such a broad term that it means nothing now. It depends on what you're trying to do, generate media, generate text, generate data, or automate. The bubble is about to burst by next year not because AI can't do these things, but because it is too expensive to do all of these while AUTOMATING.
Shills convinced companies to cut 20% of their staff this year because AI was going to automate a lot of tasks, but unfortunately that's not the whole truth, and it really can only help with simple things for low cost, which doesn't equate to losing a full time employee. But, C level people listening to podcasts don't care about that, because the economy is also popping, partly because of the last 20 years and partly because of other economic bubbles that are in danger of bursting.
Don't expect leaps in AI because the automation cannot be done with a magic wand, which is what's needed to close the gap on lost jobs and financial investments. Expect this to limp along forever with fake money and get slowly worse for 2-3 years.

>>106547279
Notice how I correctly predicted your behavior. Your next post (and you WILL address me again, directly or indirectly) will contain more of the same. Every step of your primitive programming is predetermined and well-known.

>>106547305
>CARS CAN FLY
>no they cant
>EXPLAIN IN DETAIL!!!!
>fuck off retard
>HAHA YOU CANT EXPLAIN IT! CARS CAN FLY!
that's you

>>106547312
Notice how I correctly predicted your behavior twice in a row. Your next post (and you WILL address me again, directly or indirectly) will contain more of the same. Every step of your primitive programming is predetermined and well-known.

>>106547323
Just do the research holy shit, how lazy can you be?

>>106547327
Notice how I correctly predicted your behavior three times in a row. Your next post (and you WILL address me again, directly or indirectly) will contain more of the same. Every step of your primitive programming is predetermined and well-known.

>>106547337
Here, I did it for you, you lazy fuck.
READ NIGGER READ

>>106547343
>AI slop
Ok, I didn't expect you to:
1. Concede that you couldn't substantiate your wrong opinion
2. Show that you offload your "thinking" to a mindless hallucination machine

What a self-own. I did not see this coming.

>>106547364
Machine learning is not if-statements.
You can say AI is good, you can say AI is trash, but you cannot say it's if-statements. It's just not true.

Now stop trolling

>>106547386
>Machine learning is not if-statements.
Ok. Show me where I said this. Notice your blood pressure rising as you realize that you literally can't.

>you can say AI is trash, but you cannot say it's if-statements
A neural net is equivalent to what the picture shows.

>>106547414
>Ok. Show me where I said this.
Here>>106547167

>>106547420
Notice how you're devolving into full-blown psychosis and hallucinating things that aren't written in that post, or any of my posts.

>>106547436
>pic shows AI having if-statements
>"the pic is right"

>"I did not say AI is if-statements"
wat

>>106547445
Notice how your rage-induced psychosis is causing you to hallucinate non-existent quotes a second time in a row. This is pretty funny.

>>106547450
Alright then, what even is your point then?

>>106547458
>what even is your point then?
I've explained it several times ITT and I literally just stated it again here: >>106547414
>A neural net is equivalent to what the picture shows.

>>106547475
Ok then explain why an AI gives different results with the same prompt.
If it was just if-statements, it'd be deterministic.

>>106547491
>Ok then explain why an AI gives different results with the same prompt.
The actual bit that looks at the context and predicts the next token always returns the same distribution for the same input, but it's paired with a sampler and the sampler is driven by a PRNG.

>>106547520
So then Fred taking off the blindfold to reveal exclusively if-statements is a lil' wrong innit

>>106547531
See >>106547414
>A neural net is equivalent to what the picture shows.

>>106547537
See>>106547167
>the pic is right

>>106547541
I accept your concession that a neural net is equivalent to what the picture shows. Next.

>>106547566
I don't give a shit. I'm ok with you screeching that the picture is wrong so long as you admit (as you already have) that a neural net is exactly equivalent to what the picture shows.

>>106547578
That may be, but the picture says "AI", not "Neural Net", so saying that the pic is right is wrong

>>106547619
I asked you (was it you, or some identical mongoloid?) all the way back: why do you think it's wrong? If you had said "it's wrong because my favorite AI product couples muh magical ML blackbox with some mundane handwritten algorithm to generate output", I would have just shrugged and handed it to you that the pic only applies to the magical ML blackbox of emergent intelligence (in Two More Weeks), and not to the sampler.

>>106530657
two more versions

>>106547420
Notice how your psychosis caused you to hallucinate something that isn't in that post.

Ai data center is misleading name. Ai Supercomputer is more fitting name

cause what it do is basically compute/training into 3 phase. Pre training,main training and post training. It use more energy than HPC traditional supercomputer More compute power than traditional supercomputer. It not on top 500 supercomputer cause they were private and no one want a headline

saying ai supercomputer destroy energy grid and taking all your water. But ai democratized supercomputer. Even some small country has it cause it was easier to scale than HPC supercomputer that was handcrafted and bespoke by expert.

China has chip problem but not energy problem. USA has energy problem but not chip problem. China energy grid Kinda superior but use older chip. USA chip kinda superior but worse energy grid.

>>106549697
kek did you seriously go back after our argument got deleted and post the same exact response

>>106550180
Reminder:
1. You got absolutely BTFO
2. The mods on this board are literal pedo troons who think Sam Kikeman will make the Singularity happen in Two More Weeks so they could finally become women
3. They were severely upset by point #1

People still don't understand. Open ai main stuff is behind the door with deal with government. USA government is using open ai supercomputer to feed millitery and classified data. Cause of deepseek and how cheap ai become. Ai has become national security stuff. Now every country can have local supercomputer. We are building more supercomputer in 1 years than 60 years of all previous supercomputer combined as it more easy cause ai supercomputers is modular

>>106550220
As an unrelated third party that's been reading your argument with that anon, it seems to me like you got btfo

>>106550220
nigga you moved the goalposts and stopped replying when I noticed it, but whatever mate enjoy life

>plateau
Optimistic. It seems to be regressing due to being fed its own slop.

>>106550312
what the fuck kek

>>106550284
>>106550290
See >>106550220
Also note how despite the seething, no one ITT can explain why the pic is wrong. Protip: it isn't.

>>106550312
Damn, this nigga smart, he noticed your tri-
>two
It's over.

>>106547279
lmao he did end up following the cycle

>>106550312
>thought for 16 seconds
$100 trillion dollars created this masterpiece

>>106550342
Notice how your severe mental illness caused you delete the argument where you got completely BTFO and conceded, so that you could try again.

>>106550371
My mental illness is more powerful than your mental illness, therefore I win.

Also AI is shit

>>106534406
>https://pastebin.com/raw/3At3KBcW
>"direct, runnable demonstration of the equivalence between neural nets and an if-else tree."
>mfw it actually works

I think the google search AI is running on ChatGPT from 2022.

>>106550312
Give Altman just 500 billion more and this will be fixed

AI never was good.
Anyone that thinks so lives in the "easily replaced" scenario.
...no kidding though, i have access to some of the smartest people of this here humanity.

>>106550312
People really underestimate the significance of models failing at this task. Shills and retards lie that this is caused by tokenization, but it takes two seconds to verify that LLMs have no trouble "learning" the associations between the tokens for a word and the tokens for that word's constituent letters. They just learn them in a way that doesn't generalize beyond the usual contexts, like spelling. Change the context to counting and they start hallucinating. It's the simplest demonstration that LLMs can't generalize much at all beyond their training examples.

>>106530631 (OP)
For the most part yeah. The goal now is to make it faster.
I don't see any significant improvements until we get unironic agi.

>>106550312
do we accept this bros

>>106550441
see>>106531686

>>106550590
Granted.
Personally though, I had to learn how to learn...over 30 years ago.
Still, I assume that most of you have little to no compency when it comes to learning anything.

>all these luddite grifters ITT
meanwhile, one more bastion of high-brow /g/ayness just got reduced to rubble
https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.07367

>>106531686
>They're great for learning things. I guess learning is just not something you do
They're shit for learning things, as demonstrated by the sharp escalation of imbeciles who spout hallucinated LLM nonsense as truth. This is especially prevalent in """AI""" threads, because """AI""" users learn about """AI""" from """AI""" instead of taking an actual ML course.

>>106550659
The other night I talked to an AI for about an hour learning about bees and how they work. You know, the queen and all that shit. Really cool stuff.

Researching the same amount of information that I got from the AI would have taken far more time and effort, and I probably would have had to sit through some HELLOOO WHATS UP GUYS sòyboy on jewtube

>>106550678
They're probably just ass at asking questions. An AI isn't going to magically turn a retard into a non-retard

>>106550673
>/g/.../g/.../g/uys, look! w-we achieved... uh... >uhhh...
>benchmark score!
>this is relevant because... ummm....
>arbitrary and irrelevant goalpost set retroactively by Sam's marketing team

>>106550694
>j-j-just p-prompt better!
I was looking forward to this botlike reaction. Let's see how many times members of your cult repeat this standardized corporate chant in different variations.

>>106550673
TL;DR or fuck off

>>106550715
That's not an argument bruv

>>106550721
Blaming the user is a not an argument. In your next post, you will explain why this is the case. By failing to do so, you confirm yourself to be a 70 IQ biobot inherently incapable of judging what a good prompt looks like and what a good response looks like.

>>106550686
That is a somewhat interesting topic.
Fucking bees.
However, I can correct badly written code still.

>>106550782
>In your next post
oh kek it's you again

>>106550814
AI is dogshit for code. I asked it for something that I already had and it printed a wall of text to my literal two lines.

>>106550829
Apparently that is the level of AI that currently we have to compete with.

>>106550855
I say get good at programming, get some sort of degree, because when the bubble bursts there's gonna be a big demand

>>106550819
I think it's someone trying his hardest to sound like AI, so people don't realize someone can be that autistic

Plateauing.

>>106550678
>They're shit for learning things, as demonstrated by the sharp escalation of imbeciles who spout hallucinated LLM nonsense as truth. This is especially prevalent in """AI""" threads, because """AI""" users learn about """AI""" from """AI""" instead of taking an actual ML course.
this. and people thought YT pop-sci and the expert cult were bad. AIdiocracy is here

>>106537311
>tell the AI to be woke and don't blame jews or indians
>AI becomes lobotomized

"b-but your ideology would do that too"
>the 3 BEST examples, undisputed, of conversational level AI with incredible intelligence are uncensored Claude, Tay and Mechahitler.

It's not my fault you're wrong, you will never be a woman either way.

>>106550925
>subwhite american working class member can't grasp a simple argument
>shits out generic biobot spam

>>106550703
keep fighting strawmans in your head
>>106550718
>can't read abstract
kys, baiting retard

>>106550996
You and other shills have been spamming these toilet paper studies about "AI" outperforming humans at [thing] several times a month, non stop, for years. The current year is 2025 and "AI" still can't do basic coding when confronted with an out-of-distribution problem.