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Previous thread: >>106514081

How's my font rendering looking? I tried to match it to Ubuntu's...

>>106534791 (OP)
lesser known but useful linux programs?
discovered this one recently
> flock - apply or remove an advisory lock on an open file
https://linux.die.net/man/2/flock
basically allows you to write to the same file from multiple scripts without overwriting data.

How do i fix my grub2 welcome screen that flashes 1 second to be less blurry? It annoys me. Everything after it is 1920x1080 but this one, solely this one, is blurry and ugly.

>>106534802
>>106534914
>I tried to match it to Ubuntu's.
We can tell.

>>106535696
Under UEFI it should use native resolution. Otherwise consult the friendly manual for GRUB_GFX* variables you can set.

how does one manage software that isn't in your repos? there has to be better way to track some .deb installers

>>106536297
make
sudo make install

How do i stop the virtual package mail-transport-agent from being pulled in on debian? apt-mark hold doesnt work. I dont need a damn mail server on my desktop for fuck sake debian.

6.18 is going to fucking RUIN linus why are we letting them fuck up how memory works//

what are the pros and cons of flatpaks versus just downloading things via terminal? i am told flatpaks are a bit safer since they have a bit of "padding" around them but that increases the "weight" a bit of them.

>>106537021
Flatpaks are bloated, larger file size, there may be bugs caused by sandbox or apps may misbehave. But they will have all their dependencies and will be more stable for stuff like wine or steam. It would be better to install flatpak stuff only on a case-by-case basis

>>106537085
what are the most important ones to do flatpak? i did firefox in case of 0 day h4xx.
but would obs, libraoffice, gimp and vlc need that at all?

>>106537177
There arent any important ones, just install whatever ones you want through flatpak. As far as i know OBS suggests people to use the flatpak because they're maintaining it.
If you're worried about 0day vulnerabilities then you shouldnt be using firefox in the first place

>>106537177
Anything that connects to the internet. But the main benefit of flatpak is that it's a universal platform which devs can target, so you avoid having to rely on your distro maintainers packaging their own versions of software and you avoid dependency hell. Sandboxing is just an additional benefit.
Realistically, you should install most if not all your gui applications using flatpak or appimage.

>>106537338
>>106537285
>>106537177
you should NEVER use flat paks
ill die before i use them

>>106537338
>Realistically, you should overbloat your filesystem by 300% instead of using your native package manager

>>106537371
before I google criticism of flatpak what's your criticism

>>106537475
because they are wrong and what we come to linux to get away from

more like fatpaks

Why does it not work? Recursion fails post first iteration:
bash
#!/bin/bash

function download_from_dir() {
url=$1; shift;

web_full=$(curl --silent $url | grep -Po '(?<=href\=).[^>]*' | tr -d '"')
printf "\n"
for i in $web_full; do
if [[ "$i" == "*.mp4" || "$i" == "*.png" || $i == "*.jpg" ]]; then
echo "yes $i"
else
echo "not $i"
download_from_dir "${url}/${i}"
fi
done
}

download_from_dir http://192.168.1.33:8080

>>106537021
Flatpaks are standardized apps, everyone gets the same.

>>106537177
Browser sandbox is weakened by Flatpak's sandbox. That's the main drawback of Flatpak. That's one thing to watch out for with Flatpak, it comes with sandboxing that can interfere with certain applications. Mainly a problem for browsers I think.

>>106537697
when I run a flatpak browser I can't upload images to 4chan from anywhere but the flatpak's ~/.var/app/x.y.z/
so that would tell me the sandbox is smaller.

I want to get from linux into cybersecurity. any advices? any books would you recommend?

>>106537720
Idk the details but apparently it weakens browser sandbox.

https://brave.com/linux/#flatpak
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1756236
https://librewolf.net/installation/linux/#security
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/33411/flatpak-support/191

>>106520414
>>106521303
I'm this guy.
Got a DP cable. It seems to be fine.
So could be the monitor or GPU?

>>106537790
Oh yeah and again, it's high refresh rate on 1920x1080 which should work fine on HDMI 2.0?

>>106537437
>overbloat your filesystem by 300%
Are you retarded? Most people's system and software don't even account for 10% of the total used storage even if all they use is flatpak.

>>106537757
read through the Mozilla bug, seems like they are asking for a feature to use namespaces instead of just a chroot. just a different way of going about it.

>>106537697
A problem for anything using electron

>>106537848
installing a flatpak package will take up 5-10gb of space while installing the same package through your package manager will take up nothing more than a couple hundred megs
you're "realistically" telling people they should be filling up their drives with flatpak shit whenever possible

What's a good Linux equivalent to Exact Audio Copy from Windows? I recently lost all my flac and had to nuke Windows.

give me a final answer, I tried looking it up online and there are dozens of conflicting reports

can you run a windows 10 vm with good graphic performance (good enough for 60 fps desktop experience) on qemu+libvirtd without using GPU passthrough?
I configured every bit of "enhancements" I could find, it improved the snappiness of moving windows around or desktop animations but it still feels choppy and I can't even open simple 2.5D game Noita as it will crash
I tried QXL and virtio video drivers and it seems that both provide the same performance QXL enables a software mouse cursor which is much smoother than that of virtio

>>106538295
google says adcde or whipper
>>106538333
probably not

>>106534611
xfs

Has anyone here used KDE Linux yet? Thinking of hopping to it

>>106534914
Not bad, considering the resolution. There are no obvious issues that I could notice.

>>106538256
>installing a flatpak package will take up 5-10gb of space
A single flatpak app will consume more space (nowhere close to 10GB like you're suggesting), but having 50 flatpaks installed will consume no more than 15GB-25GB in total, depending on the software. Which is only 3GB-7GB more than what would be taken up by native software.
Using up to 10GB more storage (in total) to get better software compatibility/updates and completely avoiding dependency hell is a price almost everyone on the planet is willing to pay. And it is proven by the fact that every other OS has the same method of software distribution, and all the Linux gamers (millions of people) are doing the same thing by installing games through Proton which itself is also a 500MB container environment. Stop pretending that we're still in the year 2000 when people had less than 80GB of storage.

>you're "realistically" telling people they should be filling up their drives with flatpak shit whenever possible
Correct? Because it's the thing that works the most and causes the least amount of problems in general. Same applies to using Wine/Proton to play games rather than using Linux native versions. Especially considering a lot of software/games literally cannot be installed natively because of outdated/incompatible dependencies.
Compatibility, direct distribution from developers and timely updates are much more important than saving a couple of GB.
Distros maintaining packages only makes sense in a closed, tightly controlled environment. Which desktops are not. It's always been a bad idea and it's literally one of the major setbacks of Linux usability on desktops.

I like Debian

>>106538614
It's just a shittier Aurora/Kinoite. It's not meant to be used, at least not yet. It's just a platform to reproduce and report KDE bugs.

>>106538719
>Which is only 3GB-7GB more than what would be taken up by native software.
that's completely false its very difficult to reach up to like 20gb used space by installing triple the amount of software compared to flatpaks they're ridiculously bloated especically with all the different versions of runtimes and dependencies

>>106538333
You're going to struggle with proper graphical acceleration the best you can do is get mesa-dist-win or whatever its called and hope that mesa's software rendering will be good enough.
If you have an intel cpu you can try doing intel-gvt
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_GVT-g

>>106537552
Hard to say without know what the first page you're downloading looks like.
Works "fine" on my machine, using this 4chan page as a test.
Did you try printing web_full? It may be you're only getting one item.

>>106538800
>that's completely false
>its very difficult to reach up to like 20gb used space by installing triple the amount of software compared to flatpaks
Sure thing bud. Even if the dependencies consumed an additional 20GB themselves, it's still an irrelevant amount of storage unless your only drive is a $5 micro SD card.

>>106538800
my flatpaks install a bunch of dependencies and they each use them
seems like another os agnostic package manager to me.
windows by itself takes up more disk space so I'm not sure what the problem is.

>>106538888
>le storage is cheap
just ignore laptops stuck with embedded storage between 32-128gb, or all the extra gigabytes of writes those flatpaks will do everytime you update them
>your ssd will last forever!
if only there was something possibly writing gigabytes of crap to the disk every time it did an update...

>>106538975
having experienced many a SSD write exhaustion anon speaks the truth
j/k none of you have ever had this problem.
and your 128gb SSD from 2008 is still fine.

>>106538958
>comparing flatpak to windows
the absolute state...

>>106538982
correction, first available 2010.

do you guys know how to speed up loading gifs on linux? When I had my pi it loaded gifs very fast. But it died and I have my old computer now. When I click gif it takes like 20 seconds to load it and stutters a lot.

>>106538982
you sound like someone who never uses an ssd
ive had plenty of ssds burn out over the years
only a retard would think that an ssd from more than 10 years ago would still survive

>>106538975
>laptops stuck with embedded storage between 32-128gb
Even the cheapest laptops have 250GB and have had it for years. Anything less is usually just shitty chromebooks or something ancient. In which case, sure, just use an extremely minimalist distro. But most people are not on devices this shit.

>>106538614
>KDE Linux
>The experience of using an older NVIDIA GPU is rough. Manual setup is currently required for anything older than an NVIDIA GTX 1630 to even work at all, and they are essentially untested.
>@chatgpt when did gtx 1630 release?
>2022
Anything more than 3 years old is basically ancient in OSS these days. It's crazy.
I'm seeing this everywhere now. Just today I also got a cups warning that at some point they'll stop supporting almost every old printer that's working perfectly fine in favor of IPP Everywhere.
Between this sort of thing and every piece of software being rewritten in rust, I might stop updating my computer entirely until I die.

>>106539036
you'd think that someone with a tiny ssd would know what their working with and make the appropriate changes to their usage but no, must argue against large software because muh ssd write endurance.

>>106539019
>ssd from more than 10 years ago would still survive
yeah, you can get larger than 128 gb ssds within the last decade for cheaper, so the original argument that you have a tiny ass ssd that somehow survived 14 years is still worth protecting so nobody should use flatpak

>>106539119
Nvidia releases really shit cards that aren't meant for anything other than an extra monitor output well after the generation has passed. pretty sure that gen is from 2019
never buy Nvidia less than 60

>>106538992
if you want to bring the experience of one click installers to linux and therefore more interest from windows users then yes, comparing to windows is relevant.

>>106539228
I'm not the one arguing against flatpaks.

>>106539312
Maybe if you're into local AI or playing AAA gay-nigger fests.
My 1070ti is playing all my little games just fine. I can't imagine ever upgrading. If it dies for some reason I'll probably just get another one used on ebay for, hopefully, cheap.

I’ve got a hdd in my pc that has all my anime and tv shows, is there a way to add the drive to arch without having to format it?
For clarification I’ve jumped into the deep end, completely removed windows and have installed arch and got it running. I have plasma running as my DE, whenever I turn on my pc I have to enter my password to access my media hdd. My guess is that I need to mount it? Could someone point me in the right direction?
Pic of my retarded cat as thanks

>>106537552
>curl --silent $url | grep -Po '(?<=href\=).[^>]*' | tr -d '"'
Bash has regular expressions btw.

>>106538982
>and your 128gb SSD from 2008 is still fine.
But it's not, my OCZ Vertex works for a while after TRIMming the whole thing but eventually reads start producing bit errors, and it gets worse over time.

>>106534791 (OP)
So I just installed Fedora KDE and its amazing, way better than Arch and Mint, why do people shit on it? they even call it FEDora..

someone have experience with.. online linux virtual machines?

>>106537757
>Open about:support in firefox flatpak app, then navigate to Sandbox section.
>Actual results:
>User Namespaces are set to false which means most parts of internal sandboxing are disabled.
The snap doesn't have this problem, interestingly.

>>106536957
what happened?

>>106534914
Missing subpixel rendering.

>>106534791 (OP)
this fucking penguin nearly wiped all my data. thankfully firefox sacrificed itself to save my system (in the form of a 20GB repository sitting in my code folder) so it absorbed most of the damage.

>>106537021
>pros
It's a separate thing from your OS. For example, I really don't want to make my OS depend on a lot of stuff just because I installed an emulator. It's also the reason why compiling stuff in a container makes more sense as compiling requires tons of additional dependencies for your base system.
>cons
Despite what people say Flatpak is still a power user tier system. Theming and correct font rendering might not be there by default.

>>106540265
>Fedora KDE
Tried installing this after Mint in multiboot, but for some reason it just wouldn't even load Fedora's grub, just Mint's every time which couldn't see Fedora at all, even with updating (maybe can't recognise btrfs, dunno). Gonna try it with VMware instead on my silicon Mac; will probably go horribly wrong but might get lucky.

>>106540388
WTF you mean online?

>>106537552
Can't say for sure, probably something that doesn't play well with simple variables. I'd recommend using an array instead for the web_full variable.

>>106540512
>It's a separate thing from your OS.
No. You could install something entirely self-contained in /opt and that would still not be a "separate thing". It still communicates with the display server, audio server, talks to a console/takes input in some other way, etc.

>>106540649
I meant that nothing essential in your system would depend on flatpaks like the things you install through the system's package manager. It's impossible for flatpaks to cause dependency issues in your base system's packages.

>>106540390
>The snap doesn't have this problem, interestingly.
Yeah I saw this mentioned on privacyguides. Snap apparently doesn't interfere with Firefox sandbox, or less so, not sure. Dunno about Chromium browsers either or if there's even snaps for those.

>>106538614
Been playing with it in a VM, they finally admitted that the flatpak versions of Dolphin and Konsole simply can't work due to the sandbox, so they switched them to ones that are baked in the image. That was my main gripe with it. I like that it's very minimal and boots extremely fast. I would probably start using it on my laptop if Ublue didn't exist.

>>106535001
bwrap - run command in a sandbox.
It comes preinstalled on Ubuntu. Tweaking the parameters for every program isn't quick at all, but it's relatively fun.

>>106540777
>Chromium browsers
looking good

>>106540893
Bwrap is really cool for scripting. It's actually what Flatpak uses so if you have Flatpak installed you have Bwrap You can make stuff like WINE prefixes that are actually isolated and portable Homebrew installations.

>>106540390
>>106540390
>The snap doesn't have this problem, interestingly.
Yeah, but then I'd have to use snaps

what is the difference of amd vs nvidia driver on linux? Is amd better?

>>106541033
The amdgpu driver is in the kernel, so there's no need to fuck around like with nvidia.

I don't care if you use/like flatpaks, everyone should use their computer however they want, but treating flatpak as THE solution to package management is retarded.
>Size
It's an objective fact that flatpaks take a lot of space. It doesn't matter if (you) don't care or it doesn't affect you, the issue is still there. Installing even a small program like a calculator will take hundreds of MB, for a mere calculator. Call me poor or whatever, but I hate that everything nowadays is bloated, and the only excuse you hear is "disk space is cheap!1!". Hell, even without flatpak most modern programs already take lot of space, why would I want them to take even more?
>But flatpak programs share libraries!
Except when they don't. Last time I tried flatpak, some programs would install different "branches" of the same libraries, because one of the programs would update its dependencies pretty quickly, while others didn't, so now you have multiple versions of the same libraries taking more disk space, which iirc aren't automatically removed and stay there. So you end up with
>org.some.bs v47 400MB
>org.some.bs v48 410MB
>org.some.bs v49 500MB
Ironically, having these duplicates creates a larger attack surface since now you have "old" libraries installed in your system.

>>106530420
>>106531927
They finally packaged the kernel patch that fixes this stupid shit, holy fuck. Wtf is happening? Everyone got punched by this how did it went through QA?

>>106541141
>But Sandboxing!
You mean the sandboxing where programs still have access to your home directory? which doesn't even matter anyway because you'll need to install a separate program just to make the first one have the necessary permissions to work. Why does a calculator app need sandboxing anyway?
>B-but it's easier!
Is it really easier having to mess around with Flatseal just to make your calculator (which now takes up 5GB of space) work? having these sandboxes and containers just adds unnecessary complexity. But surely all of this is worth it for a quick "Install" button, right? except when some distributions like Fedora fuck it up and its "App store" installs ITS OWN flatpak version of the program, which somehow is even worse than the original.
>OBS Studio Raises Issues With Fedora's Flatpak Package, 13 February 2025
https://archive.md/cqBq2
So now imagine your normalfag friend, who is using Mint or Fedora, having to deal with all of this. Best case scenario everything just works, for now. Worst case it doesn't, claims Linux is shit and returns to Windows where he can just run an installation wizard to install something, not knowing he could have avoided all of this if he just 'sudo apt install program'.
>I'm not reading your blog
I didn't even mention the slower program startup times (it needs to load all the runtimes), the theming issues with gtk, portals, the flathub website being shit, etc. Again, I don't care if flatpaks "jut work" for you, if so then good for you, but don't act as if they're perfect or better than usual package management. It's good to have options available, but flatpaks shouldn't be the only one.

>>106541141
>>106541173
What's the way, then? I don't wanna move to Guix nor Gentoo I'm fine on Fartix. If I knew how to create confined environments to cooompile my shit without littering my system with leftover dependencies I would. But I can't.

>>106541204
Maybe my posts went a bit too harsh on flatpak, so just to be clear you should use whatever works for you. Installing packages the usual way isn't perfect either, if flatpaks work for you then use them. I understand some people "need" them, specially when running something that isn't bleeding edge, I just hate how flatpaks are shilled as *the* way to install programs on Linux, but no one explains why or how they work. Also, a lot of programs are only officially available as flatpaks, so if it's either using that or an unofficial binary from the AUR (if you're running something Arch-based), which isn't the end of the world but I rather have multiple options available. If only all programs were distributed like picrel.

>>106534791 (OP)
I want to run some LLM and diffusion stuff in ubuntu.
AMD Drivers say I have to use 24.04.2. When I go to download it, all the ubuntu and kubuntu repositories only have 24.04.3

Is whatever the hotpatch added going to break compatibility?
Whats the difference between 24.04.3 vs 22.04.5?

I like Linux!

>>106541204
You can always just use the package manager and then use flatpaks if you don't like what's in the package manager for whatever reason.
>If I knew how to create confined environments to cooompile my shit without littering my system with leftover dependencies I would
Containers. Or distrobox if you want containers that have integration with your base system like access to your home folder and networking etc.

>>106541042
why did amd put their driver open source?

>>106541716
Because they can't afford to keep updating it for every Linux version, unlike nvidia.

can you guys tell the difference of 1080p, 1440p and 2160p?
what about hertz? I have a 30hz monitor and cant tell the difference to a 60 hz one.

>>106541783
I can easily tell the difference between a 1080-60 and 1440-144hz monitor

If I bought a 9070 XT what game shouhld I buy?
All my old games don't work online anymore.

>>106541732
Seems like nVidia can't either the way their shit runs.

>>106534791 (OP)
I just set up a computer with 2 m.2s how do I enable the second drive in ubuntu so I can access ot for storage.

>>106542007
u have to format/partition it, then mount it. Once y ou format it you can make your fstab file auto mount it when you start you computer

>>106542007
If the drive's just for Linux use you can mkfs the entire drive - no table needed. Then create a fstab entry and a mount point, something like /mnt/anime.
>fstab file auto mount
Automounter is the thing that puts crap under /media when there's no fstab entry.

Running Debian 7 on Virtualbox under kernel 3.2 just causes an infinite blinking cursor, though other TTYs work fine. Under kernel 2.6 I can boot to desktop just fine. Any ideas on how to get kernel 3.2 properly working?

>>106541783
You can't tell you have double the screen real estate? Are you learning disabled or something?

>>106542156
>If the drive's just for Linux use you can mkfs the entire drive - no table needed.
Don't do this, if you ever boot another OS or move the drive to another system it may appear unformatted. That can lead to accidental data loss from OS installers or disk management tools. The risk is not worth saving a few megabytes. On the other hand that could be desirable for full system encryption, so decide accordingly.

In the Win32 API, you can get the leading of a font (vertical spacing between lines) by running GetTextMetrics (it's tmInternalLeading + tmExternalLeading in the TEXTMETRIC struct).
In X11, XFontStruct contains ascent and descent (the height above & below the base line) but not the leading, AFAIK. Is there any way to get this information in X11? Or do I just hardcode a guesstimate?

>>106542403
I use screen scaling or I cant read it.

Anyone know if a Vtech Genio is hackable and can have Linux installed on it?

>>106540925
>mfw chrome on linux

>>106542525
https://freetype.org/freetype2/docs/reference/ft2-sizing_and_scaling.html#ft_size_metrics

>>106542842
.height here is what I'm looking for, including a whole new library just for that sucks though.
looking thru the X11 atom properties all I find is POINT_SIZE (which is smaller than ascent + descent after dividing by 10) and PIXEL_SIZE (which is exactly ascent + descent). I'm expecting to see 1-2px leading on a 12 point font, at least, that is what windows was giving me.

>>106542874
>including a whole new library just for that sucks though.
Every GUI program in Linux ultimately loads FreeType unless it renders its own text.

>>106542874
doing this in X11 is pointless

anyone else get random lockups when using hyprland? getting tired of this shit frankly

>>106544066
It's unfinished, experimental software, so I guess that's to be expected?

I only use stable, time proven DEs

>>106534791 (OP)
I'm dicking around with an older netbook with an AMD C-50 in it. Is there a ready-to-use modern distro of linux that should run relatively well on it other than damn small linux?
I've tried it and will probably keep it on that system, but I want to dick around with other ready-to-install distros to see how minimal but usable they can be with a GUI.

I've been distro hopping just to get the feel of different ones and I decided to say fuck it and go through the trouble of installing Arch. Finally got the desktop environment installed and working. This is probably a stupid question, but what now? I feel like there's a lot of hype surrounding Arch and now that I'm here I'm not sure what's supposed to set it apart other than what I've read about total customizability. Is this a distro where you can expect to spend a fuck ton of time in the terminal?

>>106544134
>what now
Start using your computer. What distro were you using before?

What's the purpose of btrfs subvolume ids?

>106469371
>106469389
>106469458
Mystery solved.
>The launcher did get stuck often so I killed it a couple times
>Actually, I do recall accidentally typing something and krunner or similar popping up
>It was created with `as` and I must have entered that into Plasma's application launcher. Running `as` generates an identical file.
I must have pressed Windows key to pop up Plasma's App Launcher/Start Menu and typed `tas` for Task Manager (System Monitor) and the delay caused only `as` to be picked up, hence running `as` and generating an empty a.out binary.

>>106544411
Proper archive links:
>>106469371
>>106469389
>>106469458
I forgot to mention since it wasn't clear, I used System Monitor to kill the stuck Wine processes and that lines up with exactly what I was doing at the time.

>>106537757
Does this issue also happen with regular bubblewrap?

>>106534791 (OP)
I'm a guy in my mid-40s who's dabbled in Linux had a very scratched the surface kind of way. I've got a bunch of old laptops and one old desktop unit, I mean like this stuff is like 10 to 15 years old. What would you guys recommend for learning how Linux works? I know there's distros like Linux Mint I can throw on these old machines and then they'll run but I never felt like I knew what the fuck was going on under the hood. What's the best way to learn that? I thought about using AI so that I can bounce questions off it for things I don't understand.

What do you think guys?

>>106541204
You could use distrobox instead for packages not provided by your package manager or out of date since its more or less a chroot preconfigured without requiring much user input aside from installing packages and whatever chroot related settings needing to be set.
But you should just use flatpak whenever you want or need to, not use flatpak for EVERYTHING. E.g i use flatpak for steam and wine since they're easier to deal with than native packages

>>106544088
>I only use stable, time proven DEs
XFCE?

>>106541141
>using only 15GB of extra space for 100 different applications is too much
I completely agree when it comes to small systems, like sbpcs or cheap handhelds. But on a random person's desktop or laptop worrying about this makes no sense. Less than 2% of people have under 128GB of internal storage and only they would have to worry.
>Last time I tried flatpak, some programs would install different "branches" of the same libraries, because one of the programs would update its dependencies pretty quickly, while others didn't
That's exactly how all software development works and fighting against this was the reason Linux was never a serious desktop OS until recently when flatpaks/appimages took off.
If you force developers to update dependencies, or even worse if you offload that work to distro maintainers (assuming the software is open source at all), you just get buggy software or you don't get software at all. Not to mention sometimes people explicitly want to run abandonware or infrequently updated software. And by the way, almost all proprietary software bundles dependencies into it's binaries. So unless you're a total freetard control freak, you're going to get "bloat" no matter what.
Flathub at least tries to fix this issue by forcing developers to use runtimes no older than one or two versions behind the latest.

>>106544489
From my (very limited) testing, software running inside distrobox performs slightly worse than flatpak.

is CLion botnet?

question: do i need to restart openssh-server or other server packages after a sudo apt-get upgrade?

>>106544768
I'm 99% sure that if you don't, the old version will still run from memory. So yes, you should restart your services or do a complete reboot.
But, there are packages which have post-install scripts which reset their running services. Although they're pretty rare.

>>106542525
>>106542874
Welcome to Unix. The X11 stuff is considered legacy and only exists for compatibility.

>>106544487
Do a manual Arch install and use the wiki. Once you're familiar with everything, install gentoo.

https://bpa.st/PGWA

I use this after I save memes from here. It gets tags from the filename, 'tagA tagB.jpg' but I still can't be arsed to tag all the shit I have saved already.

>>106544487
There's nothing stopping you from learning how things work under the hood on easy distros like Aurora or Mint. All Linux distros give you the access to a terminal and root privileges.
Just install one of those two and go through a couple of videos or articles describing whatever you're specifically interested in. Using an AI is fine too, but ideally you wouldn't start there because it often makes mistakes.
Alternatively, you could just install Arch manually like the other anon said (ignore the Gentoo part). It will familiarize you with how to use the terminal. But realistically, these are things you'll never need to know unless you're trying to get a job as a sysadmin. There's several Linux distros out there where most people would never have to interact with the terminal at all.

>>106544115
we keep telling you retards its arch but its not like you fucking listen

>>106544487
Mint is outdated crap. Nobody who recommends it has actually used it recently

>>106545260
>anti-mint schizo

>>106537021
>>106537085
>>106537177
If you're installing Flatpaks my advice would be to only install verified ones. I think the LibreOffice Flatpak is verified and I think GIMP is too. Regarding Firefox, Mozilla has their own deb repo (details on their website) if you're using a Debian-based distro. Otherwise the Flatpak is probably your best bet.

>>106545260
Here we can see an archtard in the wild. Having grown bored with Linux Mint, they decided to switch to babbys second distro. But change comes with a price: In order to justify the change in operating systems, the newly formed archtard has to disown his old system, and deride it constantly.

>>106544487
>I've got a bunch of old laptops and one old desktop unit, I mean like this stuff is like 10 to 15 years old. What would you guys recommend for learning how Linux works?
Why not use a VM?

>>106545536
They're not an archtard they're a bazzite aurora ublue fedora immutableshit tard

>>106545668
>unironically using "they"
>thinking only fedora users dislike outdated operating systems

>>106545774
He's not an archtard he's a bazzite aurora ublue fedora immutableshit tard
Happy now?
>thinking only fedora users dislike outdated operating systems
There's one autist in these threads whos been shilling bazzite and all the other shitty meme immutable distros non stop and spreading fud about stuff like mint

>>106545536
By all means mate enjoy your oom errors, no fractional scaling, and DE written in Python.
Fedora btw

>>106545874
>He's not an archtard he's a bazzite aurora ublue fedora immutableshit tard
How would you know this? There's more than one person using these distros.
>meme distros
You're implying Mint isn't one? There's no agreed definition on what a "meme distro" is, and there's no point in labeling any distro as a meme distro because you can label every OS as a meme OS by cherry-picking flaws/criticisms.
>spreading fud about stuff like mint
What fud? Mint being outdated is a legitimate criticism of the distro, and so is the fact it's using bottom tier DEs.

Calling things you dislike "memes" or "shit" is absolute retard behavior.

>>106545978
>and DE written in Python.
The fuck, really?

>>106544115
Mint, Puppy, pretty much anything that doesn't have GNOME or KDE. If it has an SSD you could probably use something with GNOME or KDE, slow storage is the main bottleneck for these.

>>106546116
Brackets for 3.5'' bays for 2.5'' SSDs are always something to look into for older PCs that only came with HHD cages.

GUYS I INSTALLED ASAHI :D

>>106546049
Looks like it's mostly JavaScript and C, just like GNOME. But there is a significant chunk of Python code, more than any other DE I think.

>>106546116
>singling out KDE and GNOME
Let's not pretend other DEs like Cinnamon, Budgie and Unity aren't equally heavy.
>slow storage is the main bottleneck for these.
Slow storage is a bottleneck for everything. But, he'll be completely fine on KDE. I also have an ancient 13-yo PC with a shit HDD and the slowest part is opening applications, rather than doing anything KDE-related.

>>106546247
Which repo is that? Link?

>>106546266
https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon

>>106546042
>How would you know this?
Because (You) do it every thread
>mint is a meme distro
Meds
>Mint being outdated is a legitimate criticism of the distro,
Mint is at worst outdated by 1 or 2 years not the 2018 fud you keep spreading
>and so is the fact it's using bottom tier DEs.
I dont give a shit about cinnamon or xfce but its hilarious you would think XFCE is a bottom tier DE when its been one of the most reliable and stable DEsfor the longest time.
>Calling things you dislike "memes" or "shit" is absolute retard behavior.
Pot calling kettle black.

>>106546292
>being this mad that Linux Mint™ got superseded by Bazzite™ for most future Linux users
Do you just hate RedHat or love Canonical?

>>106546332
Thanks for confirming that you're the bazzite autist with some anti-mint schizo agenda.

>>106546292
>Because (You) do it every thread
I wasn't the one making the anti-Mint posts, you schizophrenic retard.
>Mint is at worst outdated by 1 or 2 years
In most cases that's too long for an average user.
>XFCE is a bottom tier DE when its been one of the most reliable and stable DEsfor the longest time.
Anything that's not KDE or GNOME is a bottom tier DE simply due to a completely irrelevant market share. So, yes.
>Pot calling kettle black.
I didn't make any pointless insults towards Mint, I just stated facts. Firstly, that Mint is outdated and it's a valid criticism to call it outdated like that anti-Mint anon did. And second, that it's offering of desktop environments is subpar considering all 3 DEs are effectively hobby-tier projects compared to KDE and GNOME, and none of them had barely any improvements in the past 4 years.
Pointing new users towards Mint is a terrible idea since there's a ton of people who would find an outdated system with a subpar desktop environment a major pain point.

>>106546393
See your own advice >>106546292
>Meds

>>106546287
Seems like a lot of additional programs are written in python and js.

>>106540893
i have a few self-made wrappers in /usr/local/bin to have a few programs run with bwrap by default, such as my browser and discord.
for anyone curious, if you place a script with the name of a program in /usr/local/bin, the system will (typically, depending on how PATH is set up) run that program first. so in my case if i run "palemoon" by itself, it will run the script in /usr/local/bin first rather than the actual /usr/bin original (which incidentally is a symlink somewhere else, but that doesn't matter).
the shell script runs "bwrap palemoon", critically one of the options being to blank out /usr/local/bin so it doesn't try to run itself. my options aren't super verbose, mainly just providing read-only access to anything i needs to run, and read-write access only to it's own configuration folder (and in the case of a browser, a few select other folders, like read-only ~/Pictures access, and write access to ~/Downloads). point is, i don't have to worry if a browser bug or exploit gains access over the browser, since the browser itself has minimal access to the rest of the system by means of this sandbox

>>106546247
>Let's not pretend other DEs like Cinnamon, Budgie and Unity aren't equally heavy.
Plasma runs faster and uses fewer resources than Cinnamon, probably because it's not majority Python+JavaScript

>>106541173
>But Sandboxing!
what they won't tell you is that the sandboxing is a separate feature that doesn't require flatpak. you can do sandboxing with native packages. even using literally the same sandbox flatpak uses (flatpak uses bubblewrap, which can be used independently with any software).

You know what DE runs fastests and lightest? icewm.

>>106540445
I got that desu

>>106544626
i'm ok with flatpak as a "worst case" option. a fallback if there's no better option, but i wouldn't use it over a native package. which is why i've never installed a flatpak package.

>>106544397
probably mostly internal use, but also perhaps scripting use where they're independent of user names

>>106546509
i'm not sure if i'd call icewm a "de", though i admit i don't know of a concrete definition of a DE (as opposed to a WM). icewm being named "iceWM" at least demonstrates it considers itself a WM

I've been using a steam deck with steamos as my sole "PC" for the last two years. I've gotten use to some of the finicky bits of arch that steamos lets slip through but now im getting ready to build a proper desktop. I've been looking at using cachyos as the OS for the desktop. How much of a culture shock will it be? Is it worth using something else instead? I would definitely prefer KDE at this point as i dont see a big reason to switch to gnome now

>>106546604
>How much of a culture shock will it be?
Install pamac and CachyOS is ready

>>106546604
>Is it worth using something else instead
If you're looking for something like SteamOS, but better, then install Bazzite.

>>106546501
Flatpak also has a pre compiled seccomp filter it adds to bubblewrap when its being used that isnt provided by default

>>106541578
it shouldn't
the base dependency of amd's AI stuff is in the kernel as amdkfd, on LTS distros they usually like you to install their upstream driver as a dynamic kernel module
this was previously what they wanted you to install their proprietary driver stack for since it shipped a copy of it that's since been separated out
pretty much everything else should be fairly self contained, libffi is usually the only external thing that i've had any issues with
their jpeg/video decoding library will try to get you to install their build of the open source driver stack
probably a good idea on an LTS distro, isn't necessary on rolling release

i run AMD's prebuilt AI packages from opensuse leap on opensuse tumbleweed which is absolutely not supported in any capacity
even if limited to one gpu architecture they can take forever to build, and a lot of the build scripts involve python with improper error handling
not taking that chance

>>106544370
I had Mint, then I installed Debian. Like I said, I was distro hopping just dicking around to see what they felt like.

>>106546431
Now you're pretending to be multiple anons?
>i wasnt the one making anti-mint posts
>i just keep pushing this dumb mint is outdated from 2018 narrative
>btw gnome is not a supbar DE or bottom tier DE
GNOME is more than half the reason why the linux desktop is fucking shit

>>106546632
Do the things ive learned about arch for the steam deck transfer to bazites fedora?

>>106546595
It depends. A bloated DE has a WM and then many other parts, like something that does the task bar or equivalent, docks/trays, settings dialogs, and even their own homegrown normal programs like image and PDF viewers.
You normally can't use the WMs that support these DEs, but you can use icewm without any other parts. In conclusion, a "DE" is actually the same as "WM" (unless you really want to sue the technical, low level meaning), and "DE" is basically a "WM" + mountains of additional bloat.

running into issues with my sensors
kernel loads the wrong driver and i just found out which file i need
chatgpt told me to put a .conf of it in modules-load.d but the arch wiki says that this is a bad idea as it should be loaded by the kernel
can i patch the kernel to use the right module?

>>106546818
load it in mkinitcpio and blacklist the one you don't want in a config file

>>106546698
Yeah it's all Linux under the hood. My biggest source for help on bloody Fedora has been the Arch wiki because 99% of the advice works on anything.

>>106546815
i do get where you're coming from. many window managers have built in panels, like icewm/windowmaker/fluxbox/etc. but at least to me, to be a DE, it needs some amount of additional optional components. i suppose if i were to name a bare minimum, i'd say a graphical file manager.
but i'm not sure there's a specific, hard line between the two. a minimal enough DE may as well be indistinguishable from a complex enough WM. like, is LXQt a DE? it has a taskbar and session manager, but so does icewm. it doesn't have it's own display manager or window manager, it only has recommendations for those, along with other basic applications. it's like icewm where it's questionable what it even is, but most people call it a DE. i mean it's not a WM, because it's just literally not a WM nor does it provide one, but what about it makes it a DE? it can't be the panels or session manager, because some WM's do that, or does that mean icewm IS a de? it gets messy quickly.

>>106546932
>i suppose if i were to name a bare minimum, i'd say a graphical file manager.
What a load of bullshit. Why would the DE provide this component?

>>106547002
>Why would the DE provide this component?
So I don't have to type shit into a terminal to manage my files. Why have a DE in the first place, rather than a TTY, if you're not going to click on metaphors?

What would I use to use my PC remotely from my phone? I have been using google remote desktop while I was still on windows, is there anything as easy to use?

>>106547002
well that's just how it feels to me, if i were forced to name any one thing.
>Why would the DE provide this component?
critically, to handle desktop icons. this and the desktop wallpaper is typically handled by the file manager running in a special desktop mode. now of course, some DE's like Gnome don't use desktop icons at all, so i want to be clear that this isn't a perfect answer.
simple fact is that i don't know what a DE is, really.

>>106547035
Why wouldn't you pick the best file manager there is, instead of some mediocre shit that was written just so your favorite DE has a file manager?

>>106547055
Because Plasma already comes with the best file manager: Dolphin.

>>106547062
*Konqueror

>>106546889
that seems to have worked
thanks bro

>>106547038
KDE Connect or the gnome equivalent

>>106547055
nobody says you have to use the programs your de comes with.
i use openbox+tint2+spacefm, and i have done so for over a decade. does this count as a de? no rule against making your own custom de.

>>106547038
kde connect to control the pc, scrcpy to control the phone

>>106547097
The question is why this sentiment exists, and why the DE devs waste their time on duplicating "standard" programs. I'm sure this is why the Linux desktop sucks so much that most people prefer windows even in times of Windows 10/11.

>>106546698
Pretty much yes. I'm not sure how deep into Arch you went, but the only difference is that your system package manager would be rpm-ostree instead of pacman. And you don't need to make your system writable like you do on SteamOS, since rpm-ostree installs software/packages on top of the original immutable system by default. For example, if you want to install the x11 session of KDE you can just do "rpm-ostree install plasma-workspace-x11".
Everything else is basically the same, aside from the fact that you'll probably get software updates faster on Fedora. SteamOS was historically slightly behind in updates since it's not actually using Arch repositories but rather Valve's repository where they're pinning a lot of dependencies. At least that's what I've gathered from using it.
Also, Bazzite specifically comes with additional utilities. Like "ujust" for installing software using their scripts, and stuff like Distrobox and Waydroid.

>>106546815
>"DE" is basically a "WM" + mountains of additional bloat
Bloat is a very subjective term, anon. Most people would want their DE to come with something like a file manager.

>>106547038
If you're looking for simple remote control (mouse+keyboard, sending commands, sending files) then KDE Connect.
If you're looking for a way to remotely see the screen and control it, Krfb comes pre-installed on KDE Plasma and you can use any VNC client to connect to it. (Apparently KDE Connect supports this type of remote control, and I definitely remember using it a month or two ago, but I can't find how to do it now)

>>106547334
>Most people would want their DE to come with something like a file manager.
There's a huge selection of file managers. Why would a DE write their own one?

>>106547243
>>106547375
>why the DE devs waste their time on duplicating "standard" programs
>Why would a DE write their own one?
Because some DE devs want tight integration between the components. And realistically, many DEs have conflicting views on how a DE should behave like. Rather than risking getting Gnome'd, people prefer creating their own DEs and components which they're fully in control of. That's how almost all software development works.

>I'm sure this is why the Linux desktop sucks so much
Well, you're wrong. It's not the reason at all.
First of all, all software out there has it's own duplicates, clones, alternatives, etc. They usually encourage competition rather than flopping an industry. So Linux not being popular has nothing to do with the number of distros or DEs out there.
Also, Linux developers and users have already consolidated into using either KDE or GNOME, with the rest being a minority (under 10%).
And finally, there's nothing you can do to stop people from creating their own versions of software. It's not "wasted work" because these people wouldn't work on existing software anyways. "People should just work on one thing" is some commie/totalitarian mentality which only works in a deluded fantasy. Might as well tell all leaders in the world to unite us all into a single country under a single language because more than one country/language existing is bad, no?

What I'm getting at here is that what you're crying about is a complete non-issue. And it's not something you should worry about at all. If we killed KDE and GNOME today, it's not like you'd have a lot of developers flocking to work on IceWM or something.

>>106547479
>Because some DE devs want tight integration between the components.
Doesn't that just mean DEs are somehow geared towards making external programs look awkward and not fitting in?
Do DE devs not think users want to use software that isn't part of the DE?

If wayland is more secure why can gpu-screen-recorder do it without the popup? Wouldn't something be able to do this in the background?
OBS does get the popup so it's working

>>106547585
>If wayland is more secure
That's a marketing lie.

>>106547097
Do you plan on switching to labwc? since its basically openbox for wayland

>>106547585
I didn't know there was an OBS popup. How do you get it working?

>>106544115
If I were you I'd probably try Debian with LXQt. Debian has installation images with different DEs on their website. Alternatively you could try XFCE or LXDE. I think LXDE would be the most lightweight out of those.

>>106547572
Let me put it this way. If you were developing a DE and pre-installed Nautilus into it, would it not be draining and inconvenient to deal with whatever decisions GNOME does with Nautilus?
Alternatively, you could just not ship a file manager with your DE. Which is fine, but the whole point of a DE is to be a software suite for basic needs. Now, what people consider "basic" is entirely subjective, but most people would prefer their OS to come with a file manager, text editor, web browser and nowadays a GUI app store. So most distros will package those into DEs which don't have them. But that just introduces additional complexity, for example cross-dependency management and UI consistency. Meanwhile, with a "complete" DE like Plasma and Gnome, distro maintainers have to worry less about working on DE elements.

I personally find Plasma to be a perfect example of a good DE. You might think it's bloated, but I honestly love it. There's been several times where I wanted to do something, then realized KDE supports it out of the box. Which I find very convenient. And I don't feel like I'm sacrificing anything with it. It runs even on my toaster PCs.

>>106547703
If you're using a WM you might not get it

>>106537697
While the browser sandbox is weakened, the protection for the user is improved, since the browser at no point runs or is deployed with root access, unless with system packages.
So it's a tradeoff.

>>106548013
>at no point runs or is deployed with root access,
Isn't UID 0 mapped to the creator of the user namespace? Or does Linux really go and accept fake root as root?

>>106548013
At the very least, the Chromium security team has not signed off on Flatpak, and they're the experts in this.

>Brave is available as a Flatpak package from Flathub. While it is maintained by Brave Software, it is not yet working as well as our native packages. In addition, it modifies Chromium sandboxing in ways which have not been vetted by the Brave or Chromium security teams. We currently recommend that users who are able to use our official package repositories do so instead of using the Flatpak.

>>106548073
With user namespaces, yes. With Chrome's broken setuid root sandbox that should never EVER be used by anyone and only exists because Debian still insists on disabling user-namespaces, no, that is actual real root (at least before it drops privileges, hopefully in a safe manner) and shouldn't be used.

>>106548127
This is a very weird statement that's at odds with itself. It implies that Brave Software's packagers are somehow distinct from Brave Software's developers.

>>106548159
(By their developers, I mean their security team. Why haven't they looked at that and vetted it? Maybe you should go ahead and actually do that?)

>>106547914
>would it not be draining and inconvenient to deal with whatever decisions GNOME does with Nautilus?
You have to deal with that inconvenience any time you want to use a program that isn't part of Plasma or uses its frameworks and themes? For the sake of the argument, say an important closed source program you have to use for work, or perhaps a program from a smaller open source project, that doesn't have the resources to offer all the conventions all popular DEs require?

>>106534791 (OP)
anyone know why my usb-c dock doesn't work unless I connect it after passing luks screen and logging in?
I've tried disabling the iGPU so just running off the 3080 but still only getting output on the built-in display.
running the proprietary drivers so its not nouveau doing it (nuoveau blacklisted in grub as it should be).
this is fedora kde btw.
can lock the laptop and SDDM displays fine, just nothing happening on boot.

>>106548127
>We currently recommend that users who are able to use our official package repositories do so instead of using the Flatpak.
Why don't they just make an appimage instead then?

>>106548159
Software packagers are usually completely unrelated to the actual development teams, so this wouldn't be surprising.

>>106548327
>unless I connect it after passing luks screen and logging in?
Possibly the needed kernel modules are not in the initramfs and already loaded so you need to decrypt your root filesystem first so it can load them from /lib/modules

The fix for that is to load them early in the initramfs but customising that can be really difficult and confusing depending on the distro so consult your distro docs/wikis/etc for that.

>>106548366
>Software packagers are usually completely unrelated to the actual development teams, so this wouldn't be surprising.
The surprising part is that the security team doesn't actually care to review the security. But I guess that shouldn't be too much of a surprise either because they don't do any real security work anyway and are just posers that deal with patching CVEs from Chromium. Of course they haven't got time to look into the security (or lack thereof) of their Flatpak.

>>106548366
>Why don't they just make an appimage instead then?
I also wonder. Or why Firefox doesn't. Firefox at least releases a portable tarball with required libraries (libxul being the bulk of it). I think an AppImage is the same but in one file. So yeah, why aren't Chromium browsers releasing portable archives like Firefox's or AppImages?

>>106548373
ah yeah quite possibly. will have a look, cheers.

>>106541578
24.04.2 had kernel 6.11
24.04.3 has kernel 6.14 and newer MESA stack
You can switch between kernel versions easily.
https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle

Any arguments against Gentoo including binaries of huge build tools by default? In particular I mean llvm, clang, gcc, glibc and rust. The stage3 already comes with a prebuilt gcc. All of these individually take substantially longer to compile than 99% of software, and as far as I can tell, don't particularly benefit from building from source in the way other software can with customizations and optimizations.

I'm trying to use lutris to play games.
The Windows gaymer malware is filtering me.

>exec file
>working directory
>prefix directory
But in the end the installer installs into the prefix directory not to the drive in working directory.

>every time I reboot Lutris, Wine keeps adding my whole root as Z drive, despite me changing that in the global settings

>none of wine forks are available in the version I got from flatpack

>I had to download again the flatpacks when I upgraded nvdia drivers.

>games and programs immediately exit
>gamemodeauto:
>gamemodeauto:
>gamemodeauto:

>if a game hangs I need to kill its wine server manually or the game never launches due to trying to run 2 wine instances

>>106539976
Create a folder to use as a mount point for the HDD eg. /mnt/YOUR_HDD and then add the HDD to your /etc/fstab. It's best use use the UUID of your HDD in the fstab since the drive name can change (/dev/sda or whatever). To get the UUID blkid, something like sudo blkid /dev/sdX1. Since you said you're using Plasma I believe you can use the KDE Partition Manager instead of using the terminal but I don't use KDE and I'm not familiar with how exactly it works. Your retarded cat is cute.

>>106548013
>While the browser sandbox is weakened, the protection for the user is improved,
The browser sandbox is there to isolate tabs from each other. The flatpak isolates your homedir from the process. Very different things, but in the case of a browser, the former seems to be distributing more to security of the user than the later.

>>106534791 (OP)
so call me pretty fucking stupid but I've nowhere else to ask,

A few days ago i got myself a new laptop, new as in new in ownership, its an hp mt44 nothing too special. I go and install arch on it, lovely, everything works, i install xfce, lightdm/lightdm greeter

alright, awesome, shit works... i do sudo reboot just to make sure nothing gets fucked up- aaand my drivers are fucked, every single thing that fixes it lasts only for that specific session and I cannot get past loading the ramdisk without getting booted to a black screen unless i nomodeset, does anyone have any, ANY clue what do to here, i feel like im in a checkmate

>>106548902
>lutris
kinda old and busted

>installer installs into the prefix directory not to the drive in working directory.
Windows installers tend to ask you where you want to install your shit to, use that. You can add a directory as a drive to the windows. (I do not want / as Z:, and sometimes installers had problems with that anyway.)

>flatpacks
ohnonono

>if a game hangs I need to kill its wine server manually
A problem as old as good wine.

>>106549221
it's novidea, isn't it?

anyway, make your fixes permanent. How that works depends on the fixes in question.

>>106548902
ive had luck with bottles and just adding shit to steam

>>106549243
What do you propose instead of Lutris?

I own my games by downloading them directly from gog and freeware stuff I accumulated over years.

But the endgame is to run productivity applications.

>flatpacks
ohnonono
Once I get it working, I'd like to try to sandbox anything windows.

>>106549273
i made them permanent - they just didnt stick
i edit the kernel boot option and run the command which updates the grub file; shit outta luck lel

i go and edit the the mkinitcpio config and generate a new one? whoops! doesnt work after one restart!

blacklist.conf? yeah works for a bit... then restart... and still dogshit

idk maybe im just cursed

>>106549298
If you're not allergic to fatpacks, bottles is the new hotness.
Personally, I just run wine directly. Never used bottles, tried lutris once but didn't like it.

>>106549311
these changes wouldn't do anything without doing a reboot - do you mean it works for one reboot and then fucks itself for the second?

>>106549371
precisely that yeah, sorry im brainfucked and retarded because of all the debugging ive been trying to do

>>106549395
ok, that makes a lot more sense.
Apparently, something during a normal boot overwrites your fixes.

>>106549431
lovely


funniest part is that my fucking t420 works swimmingly with arch (archinstall)

>>106549465
lovely indeed. I wonder how you managed to get it to do that.

>>106549517
god fucking knows... not even sure which one if any at all if one does exist

currently installing cachyOS though, right now all my issues were fixed, I guess im just not gonna be blessed with the divine power of making shitty "i use arch btw" jokes

>>106540601
i'm too lazy to install oone

>>106548373
>>106548470
got it working.

explicitly added the nvidia modules to dracut with a config file (probably wasn't needed) and added nvidia-drm.modeset=1 rd.driver.pre=nvidia to grub to load everything earlier.

have a weird issue where the laptop keeps trying to sleep once it gets to sddm login screen (probably something to do with the lid being closed) but otherwise its working.

>>106541141
>>106541204
Personally I stall from my distro's repos if I don't care about having the newest version, but if I want the newest version of something (or if it's not available through my distro) then I'll use a flatpak. E.g. I've installed LibreOffice from Flathub because I wanted a newer version than what my distro has.

>>106548837
There is already a desktop stage3 which I think nowadays does include some of these things.

The main argument for not putting that in the default stage3 is it would bloat things like chroots and container images for no reason.

Today i learnt there's an official package for setting up Nix on Debian
https://packages.debian.org/sid/nix-setup-systemd
Have you tried it? How good is the idea? Last time I tried, Firefox's builds on Nix were slow compared with Flatpaks, but I also need something for CLI tooling.

>>106547068
*Krusader

Does Wayland have any meaningful configuration you can do, like X11, or does it all depend on the WM?

>>106550815
wayland doesn't have a server you could configure, so yes, it all depends on the compositor (or WM like you call it)

Trying to rip wayland out of my gnu/gentoo system... what a quest this turned out to be.
Wayland really is 100% inevitable. Even if you're not using it, they've been making it a hard dependency on several little core programs and libraries for years now. And the dependencies on everything is so incestuous... even if I use xfce, attempting no qt/kde, it depends on a recent version of meson which for some reason depends on qtdeclarative6 which depends on qtwayland. Various little things like that keep popping up. The only solution is rolling back to around 2019 and never updating. And I might be halfway there with how many version downgrades I put in my local repo and masked from ::gentoo.
At least it seems somewhat doable. I already gave up on rust since it's required for modern version of ungoogled-chromium, my bank doesn't let me log in using older versions, and changing how they detect the version was too time consuming (not just a user agent)... not to mention librsvg was rewritten in rust and almost everything GUI/browser related has a hard dependency on that now.
The way OSS is going I may as well just switch to windows.

>>106550926
>may as well just switch to windows
you dont know what youre saying

>>106550926
buddy you have worse things to rip out of your system, pic related included. why is that shit on your computer

>>106536297
i follow github releases with rss in those rare cases

>>106550926
I think you don't know how to use Gentoo properly.
Just include USE=X and mask the Wayland USE flag and library. Very little if anything has a hard dependency on it.

>>106550926
I'm running x11 fine, i don't know how you're finding those shits

>>106550926
>The way OSS is going I may as well just switch to windows.
FYI: Don't think you can escape it. Rust is Windows NT now too.
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/27/microsoft_windows_rust/

>>106547585
All wayland compositors implement a private wayland protocol for use with their desktop portal. The prompt you see is implemented in the desktop portal, not the wayland compositor. This means that if an application uses the private wayland protocol they can bypass the prompt. No wayland compositor has security to prevent this.

aur is down again?

>>106550926
Dude, even Windows is rewriting some NT components in Rust now. Really, it's scary. The language isn't bad, but the fact it spreads like a virus is concerning. Two years of popping off from existence and now literal web browsers need it. How tf did Javascript survive the test of time despiste Dart being backed by GOOGLE itself, but this nepo baby already makes its strides on the Linux kernel driver tree so easily. You fucking wish Odin, D or Zig had this much of an unnatural traction.

>>106551528
was up a minute ago

>>106550926
Why did you post a picture of yourself?

>>106551540
>The language isn't bad,
lol

>>106534791 (OP)
If I install applications via wine can I isolate them from my system?

>>106551575
Would take it over Python or Jeetscript for any medium sized project any day. Cause there're people deranged enough to use Node for offline CLI tooling. I've to maintain some of their retardation.

>>106551601
Low bar.

>>106551629
At some point you run out of options. D dropped the ball hard, Zig is in eternal alpha, Odin is a research project and Hare is a meme.

Anyone know how to force steam to use system locale for date formatting? It's giving me US dates even though locale is EN/GB. Only way I've found to get proper dates is change ingame language to something other than english but I dont want that