Thread 106580453

The Default Choice of Champions.

>>106580453 (OP)
Why use it instead of OpenSUSE, which has snapshots?

>>106580453 (OP)
>has no pacman -Qe equivalent
pass

>>106580655
what does that command do?

>>106580700
Shows all packages without listing their dependencies. But for me, I just use Discover.

>>106580453 (OP)
>The Default Choice of Champions.

What exactly is fedora - is it red hat for poors?
What is their relationship with IBM?

>>106580466
can you describe a real life usecase where you needed that stupid feature?
oh and that one time you recovered from something does not count because fedora simply does not break ever.

>>106580877
In case something does break. You always have to be ready for the unlikely.

>>106580866
it is the only sane linux distro with very active community

>>106580882
so you have none?
there are millions of other ways to be ready. backups is the most obvious one.

>>106580866
So, Fedora is as to CentOS, as CentOS was to RHEL.
I miss being able to use RH for my desktop OS. As a kid I used RH since my HDD was too small for a patched copy of Windows

>>106580892
>so you have none?
What is "none" about being prepared for an unlikely event? Is your house uninsured because it's unlikely to burn down? Is your car uninsured because you're unlikely to get into an accident? Is your health uninsured because you're unlikely to get cancer? Take it easy mate lol, automatic snapshots are a fine safety net.

>>106580453 (OP)
deprecated by CachyOS

>>106580924
In most cases I would completely agree but I stick to Fedora anyhow because of DaVinci Helper and because Discover (which doesn't work on Arch) honours my global Plasma theme whereas Pamac doesn't.

>>106580920
I just do not get why a feature you literally never used is the reason why you should use some software.

using your analogy would you move to different city because it has better insurance payoffs?

here I can do snapshots too
https://github.com/loeweh/Btrfs_Snapshots

but why would I?

>>106580958
That script is half-arsed because just by looking at it, I can tell that it doesn't even list said snapshots in GRUB.
>using your analogy would you move to different city because it has better insurance payoffs?
Assuming ceteris paribus, then yes absolutely lol.
>why would I?
Things can go wrong, that's just the truth. A very easy scenario to imagine is a power outage mid-upgrade; you're gonna wish you had those snapshots if that happens.

>>106580858
why would anyone want this?
fedora has 75k packages, even arch's measly 15k is too much to just list.
unless you mean installed packages in which case I'd be surprised dnf doesn't have an equivalent desu.

>>106580866
pic related

>>106580877
>>106580882
fedora uses btrfs by default so you can use snapper just fine

>>106580933
why doesn't discover work on arch?

>>106580958
>a feature you literally never used
I've used it on several occasions btw. I've done some heavy system modifications which involved a lot of trial and error, including accidentally bricking my system multiple times lol. Having this layer of brick protection was extremely useful to me.
>>106581007
The Arch repos don't use AppStream metadata

I'd use it if they had 2,3 year release cycles, but as it is it's clearly a product meant to showcase redhat design decisions which may or may not survive the 1.5 year expiry date. Tumbleweed exists and pretty much never breaks over major upgrades, why hassle yourself with those when you just want to get back to using your system?

>>106581026
>Tumbleweed exists and pretty much never breaks over major upgrades
Except when Packman codecs go out of sync with the main repo and now you can't watch videos

I don't know anything about Fedora. I just had one quick look at their site. It's very polished and commercial looking. I tried to look for the docs and only found this very small document https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-docs/
It includes gems such as:
>Workstation includes the GNOME Software app, which makes it easy to find and install apps, and to install software updates.
At that point I decided that I've seen enough. I don't use Linux to be talked down to.

>>106581014
I do not do stupid shit and before I do I do backups.

this is why your deal breaking feature is stupid.

>>106581031
Flatpaks were always the better solution, but regardless, H264 codecs have been in the main repos for more than 2 years, now.

>>106581048
You do you if you wanna rawdog your computer, just don't complain if you have a power outage.

>>106581052
he kinda has a point there.
fedora uses only "free" software so video experience is not great.

you have to do something like this
sudo dnf swap mesa-va-drivers mesa-va-drivers-freeworld
sudo dnf swap mesa-vdpau-drivers mesa-vdpau-drivers-freeworld
sudo dnf swap mesa-va-drivers.i686 mesa-va-drivers-freeworld.i686
sudo dnf swap mesa-vdpau-drivers.i686 mesa-vdpau-drivers-freeworld.i686
sudo dnf swap ffmpeg-free ffmpeg --allowerasing

to make it usable

>>106581054
i use laptop that has a battery in it.

>>106581063
Fair enough, but I still have automatic snapshots set up on my tablet regardless.

>>106581037
Why not try the KDE version; or does the mere mention of GNOME destroy all confidence?

>>106581084
>does the mere mention of GNOME destroy all confidence
valid crashout honestly

>>106581084
lol
the fact that it is gnome first is the main reason why I use it in all honesty.

kde and qt in general is one giant mistake.
I also like how people who say something about redhat being an evil corporation are always fans of qt and the shit they are pulling off.

>>106581105
Qt is significantly more performant than GTK. KDE is also better than the postmodern iPad interface that is GNOME. Let me minimise my fucking apps!

>>106581214
let me guess you never actually tested it for yourself.
more over you never programmed on qt and have no idea about ui or ux design.

better is just the feel you get when shit on something you do not understand.

>>106581259
>have no idea about ui or ux design
My idea of UI/UX design is that I like being able to minimise apps lol

>>106581259
>noo gnome is actually good
>you just need a degree in XU design to understand why it's so good
>a normal person who wants to minimize their windows is just an ignorant fool. They don't know what's good for them

>>106580453 (OP)
picrel BTFOs your shill distro
just kneel at this point

>>106581308
>>106581287
skill issue.
lmao imagine being so incompetent that you can't even figure out how to minimize without a ui button. which you can also add if you want to.

this is the kde disease right there.
oh no there is no setting for it how on earth can i do it now.
lmao

>>106581358
>Russian
Go back, orc subhuman invader.

>>106580453 (OP)
*tips fedora*

>>106581358
>which you can also add if you want to.
LMAO the gall to say this and then later call KDE users tinkertrannies. Unreal.

>>106581595
oh no they are worse.
they are just larping as tinkertrannies while using something completely retarded.

I can change or configure anything I want in my de with one line of code.

you can't.

KDE fags are so obnoxious. Your broken DE is trash. If I wanted a windows-like DE I'd just use cinnamon. GNOME is polished, unified and has an unmatched workflow. Cope.

>>106580453 (OP)
>choosing anything from redhat
I have no desire to use an OS made by mentally ill "people" who label anyone who doesn't agree with them as fascists and celebrate deaths of those who disagree with them.

>>106581661
but is not that exactly what you are doing?
you labeled them and wished death on them by advising not to use anything from them for political reasons.

>>106581687
Go back to Mastodon, freak. I have no desire to indulge in your gaslighting.

>>106581630
Cinnamon is wank compared to KDE

t. has both

>>106581358
Гнoмoдayн, cъeби к пapaшe. Я пoнимaю, чтo ты пытaeшьcя нaйти пoтeнциaльных пoлoвых пapтнёpoв, нo нe oбязaтeльнo вceм пoдpяд пoкaзывaть, чтo ты пaccивный пидopac.

>>106581001
>fedora has 75k packages
75k packages of freetard garbage. Call me when I can have a usable desktop Fedora system with full driver and media support without needing to rely on shady 3rd party repositories.

>entire thread is OP seething and coping
Install Gentoo

>>106582613
I like how people like you have no arguments to defend their strong opinion.
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Nope. 6.16 kernel so far nukes the wifi after half hour. Every fucking kernel update so far. Going back to Debian 12.

>>106582651
>shady 3rd party repositories
RPMFusion is made by Red Hat employees. It's third-party in the same way a shell company is an independent body.

>>106584800
Shell companies are used so that Jews can avoid consequences when they fuck you over. Not making a strong case here, bud.

>>106580864
/thread

>>106584853
And this shell company is used so they can provide codecs that help you without getting fucked in the ass by lawyers (who want to get in the way of you using codecs). Are you a lawyer, lad?

>>106580655
>rpm-ostree status

>>106580453 (OP)
>The Default Choice of Champions.

>>106580453 (OP)
cba with flatpaks, slow ass package manager, and the whole autism againt proprietary drivers
>>106580466
cba with choosing between a rolling release which breaks my shit or an ancient ass kernel
>>106580864
cba with AIDS-blistered cock being shoved down my throat
>>106585927
cba with dumbed-down, locked-down, retarded OS. I suffer enough when I use it at work

>>106587328
looks like you cba with anything, I think you should take a break from the digital world for at least a year.

>>106580453 (OP)
>Fedora: the Explorer!
>The distro that forks Red Hat Enterprise Linux
>IBM hates F:tE so much they keep trying to kill it
>"Champions."
LMAO

>>106587374
I can bother with Ubuntu, thanks.

Why is this on page 1 on the Catalog, but when you click on the thread it says page 10?

arch retards crying about rpmfusion when they abuse aur helpers will never stop being funny

>>106580453 (OP)
>no codecs
>no nvidia drivers
>no fonts
>no non-free repos

>>106587383
>>IBM hates F:tE so much they keep trying to kill it
I don't know about you, but routinely beating IBM sounds like the stuff of champions to me.

>>106589488
you always post the same way
must be desperate

>>106589488
To install that stuff takes way less time than to install Debian or Arch.

>>106589900
all three have almost indistinguishable graphical installers.

>>106580453 (OP)
I mean, yeah its the best one.
Okay Bazzite is actually the best one but that is a modified fedora distro and they are more or less the same thing.

>>106590012
I don't like Bazzite because I don't want a single Flatpak on my system

>>106580453 (OP)
for me its too quick to release a new version and i did not like the installer they use

>>106580466
Because snapshots is not a distro feature, it is a filesystem feature. Picking a distro based on what can be easily configured, rather than what can't, is a brainlet take.

>>106591362
You can make any distro do anything any other distro can do if you tweak it. But nobody wants to do that: people would prefer if the defaults were what they ultimately wanted so they could just get started with their computer. OpenSUSE has automatic snapshots preconfigured, so why not Fedora?

>>106591370
>people would prefer if the defaults were what they ultimately wanted
Yes, I would also prefer it if there was a distro configured just the way *I* like it. Thing is, other people (least of all distro maintainers) don't know what I like, and it would be silly of me to expect them to.

>You can make any distro do anything any other distro can do if you tweak it.
I'm talking about things like package manager, software availability, release cycle, etc. Things that can't be easily "tweaked". Those are the things that end up determining what a distro *is*, since, as you said, most of everything else can be changed.

>OpenSUSE has automatic snapshots preconfigured, so why not Fedora?
I don't know why. But I can't imagine it being too hard to enable, likely just a case of copypasting a few lines into the terminal. So, again, I wouldn't disregard an entire distro just because it doesn't have the one thing enabled out of the box.

>>106591435
>it would be silly of me to expect them to.
Microsoft knows what people generally like, it shouldn't be so hard for Linux.

>>106591445
It helps that Microsoft Windows is a unitary system made by one corporation with one main filesystem and one desktop environment, not to mention their complete and utter dominance of the PC market since the 90s. If you've used Linux for a year or two, you'll know that the entire ecosystem is built on disagreement upon disagreement. I.e. if you don't like the way we do things, make the feature yourself or go use something else. Any distro that aims to be "the one true distro based on what people generally like", is, in reality, just another distro among literal hundreds.

I'm am really intrigued of how many of you retards don't really know the real differences between distros or even operating systems.
Specially regarding codecs, fonts and package repos. Microsoft and Fedora can't have third party PRORIETARY codecs out of the box because of US laws. Other distros with legal representation outside the US can. Unless their country laws don't allow it.
The other thing is you can pretty much install shit anyway, installing packages, repos and drivers is fast, what the hell.