Thread 106900422

When did the "old" internet die?

>>106900422 (OP)
if you cant hear this youre not white

everyone died in 2012 anon

creation of trends pushed by algorithms and content rather than people stumbling on stuff out of the blue and spreading by word of mouth
also hypercentralization into a few sites

>>106900422 (OP)
sometime between 2007 and 2011

2007.

>>106900422 (OP)
I'm convinced that it never died.
The new internet is just so overwhelmingly vast and damaged one's expectations. A website only updating once a month; a chatroom with only 11 users... that was normal.
Now with infinite scrolling and social media it feels like the old internet "died" but what really died was people's ability to log off for more than an hour.

>>106900422 (OP)
It's not completely dead, FTP still exists

>>106900422 (OP)
The beginning of the end.
Took a few years but was doomed from this moment.

>>106900422 (OP)
The old internet died in 2010, when mobile devices became dominant.
Then bots took over the internet in 2020.
Now the internet is just a bunch of bots talking to one another.
This comment is being slurped up by ChatGPT.
I may or may not be a bot.

>>106900422 (OP)
>MAYA HAHA

around 2011 or so when big companies started pushing for more advertising

>>106900422 (OP)
>I'd say early 2010's was clearly millennial dominated. 2015-2020 was kind of a shared space. It's been Gen Z dominate since 2020.
2020
>dominate
retarded zoomer

>>106900422 (OP)
>the creator of this DMCA'd the original youtube upload, only to upload a shitty cropped and scaled version on his own channel
still kinda pissed about this

Around 2010 when the Occupy Wall Street movement made bankers realise that the internet can be used to mass manipulate people, and started pushing gender crap on their media networks.

when this happened

>>106900422 (OP)
2010-2012, smartphones, politics, social networks spreading, internet/pc became easier to use, corporations/the State start to invest more into the internet etc
Internet was an escape from reality , a place where you can have fun, meet people from every country, porn etc, now endless propaganda and consumerism, endless ads, scams left and right, Corporations/Government have almost total control etc
I think i will try to stop using the internet for 1-2 days to remember how's life without it

>>106900647
The original is from ebaums :-DDD

>>106900422 (OP)
>tumblr failed ddos
>they got uppity and fagged up the place
>visa ddos
>somehow it all got worse
that's my take

It is not dead.

However, in 2015 and beyond Google began downranking web pages that don't cater to mobile browsers, because mobile had reached 50% of browsers.
By 2017 Discord had finished replacing Skype, IRC, and Teamspeak.

Now 90% of web traffic comes from phonefags. They just use "apps" they got off the "app store" and their thoughts are owned by like 10 corporations max. They could not find an indie software or website if they tried, not that they even know such things exist.

So, what really tied was the tendency of average internet users to accidentally run into organic internet culture when casually operating their computers.

>>106900661
tumblr, specifically, they got psyops'd big time on there, I can't prove it, didn't see it, but I'm 912980999% sure it did happen, everything coming from there was pure concentrated aids, it started with "I'm pansexual" and degenerated hardcore from there downhill hard as fuck

>>106900672
Thought it was originally from newgrounds.
AFAIK the YT version was uploaded by a friend of him, and the most significant upload of it.

>>106900422 (OP)
When internet access became commonplace and companies realized that catering to normies was more profitable than dealing with the educated. Social media prints money. It doesn't matter how fucking terrible you make the experience, the average person is too braindead to understand that they're being emotionally manipulated to engage with stuff. It's not just social media either. Look at search results for a very specific product on McMaster-Carr. Now compare the search for the same product on Amazon. Then try googling it.

One of those sites is built for engineers. The other two are built for impressionable retards. The proof is how those sites go out of their way to show you what you claim to not want. They do this because they have exabytes of analytics that let them understand what the average idiot wants better than the idiots do themselves. They know that "thing you didn't actually search for that doesn't even work right and is drop shipped by some letter/number salad named company in China" will sell to people because it costs 2 dollars less.

Look at the race to the bottom in durable goods like appliances. You can buy a washing machine these days for 300 dollars. It'll break in 2 years, but the average retard will buy a sub 500 dollar machine even if they have the money. They'll bitch about the quality when it breaks, but they'll go right back out to buy another one and will staunchly refuse to buy a speedqueen that will last them 30 years. That's the mindset of the majority of the population, and that's what all big tech companies are catering to because their sheer mass drowns out any contribution to the contrary you may have to offer.

The instant it stopped taking any real knowledge or skill to get online was the same instant that the engagement driven slopfest that is the modern internet became inevitable. Retards ruin everything. That's as true for tech as it is for drug dealers and junkies ruining public housing or a public park.

I also remember south park episode where anonymous mask dude appeared, that also tanked it, but I'm pretty sure the attack vector was tumblr all the way, the most significant hit

>>106900443
I'm black as a moonless midnight and I heard it just fine, you dumb ass cracker.

end of free trade + removal of the wilderness

>>106900688
>tied
died.

Anyway, the point is that so much of the old internet was organic and run by and for nerds, and anyone who wanted to get some utility out of the net had to not only be capable of using a computer, but would have to interact with those spaces to do it.
It's like when a corporation offers a low price on some product due to the fluke of high competition. They don't do it out of benevolence, they do it because they will literally go out of business if they charge a higher price.
Likewise, the general public is just like that corporation. They have a number of desires that they want their machines to fulfill, and perhaps at one time those desired happened to coincide with something colorful and nice, but as soon as a streamlined way of meeting their interests gets invented they just drop whatever they were doing before.
To them, the Internet is not some grand network of networks where people share ideas and information and create things and make friends. The Internet is a toaster. They pay a cost, like data or money or attention and in return their base impulses are satisfied, or they get simple utility like maps or messaging. Nothing matters other than the lowest common denominator end goal. They were never your friends.

That lawless information postal service is still there and so many people still use it in just that way, it just doesn't get any attention anymore because no one sees it as a frontier these days. The services built on top of it got integrated into society, details were abstracted away, and the general population conflates those services with the Internet itself, so they have no need to talk about it now.

>>106900790
i dont care about you smoke alarm mysticism enjoying monkeys

>>106900498
People growing up without experiencing a cold war world (dunno if that one is understandable). And new things like tv/movie streaming, music streaming and smartphones and the influence of these services/inventions.

2007

>>106900799
>run by and for nerds,
Back then: people created Mods, so that people can have fun. Today: companies try to sell parts of a game to you (DLC's.). (I just want to point out the difference of the situation.)

I have the question: does the "censorship" of today play a role? (a big, a small one?)
(e. g. "google search results not shown for copyright reasons", "you are
not allowed to view this before login/or age verification",
"this song is not available in your country (copyright)")

>>106900422 (OP)
when notch sold minecraft

>>106900422 (OP)
September 1993.

>>106900422 (OP)
2012 unironically, the 2016 election cycle sealed the deal

>>106900422 (OP)
Which one? The internet felt different pre-1995 than it did from 1995-2002, which felt different from 2002-2009, which felt different from 2009-2015, etc. There are things I miss about each period.

>>106900799
Oh absolutely, Grandpa Netizen, tell us again about the golden age when typing sudo made you feel like a digital cowboy and every forum post was a sacred act of rebellion against AOL. Truly, society lost its way when people stopped telnetting into MUDs to discuss anime fan dubs and instead started... checks notes using the internet for convenience.

>>106901482
Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he deems himself your master

>>106900422 (OP)
I always see you people complaining about "le death of the old internet", but I never see you guys doing anything about it.
Stuff like Neocities and Spacehey have nothing but lefty pages, even though there's nothing stopping chuds from making their own.
You "want" the old internet back, but don't want to put in the work to bring it back.

>>106900422 (OP)
when nonwhite subhumans and women got access

Gamergate was a massive shift especially on here

That things got so crazy was wild. And it wasn't even all that crazy, way crazier shit used to happen all the time, but for some reason was treated like this massive massive thing. That's for sure when this new internet wasn't like before. After that came 2016 and yeah we still haven't escaped that politicized sensitive ass hellscape. There's been a shift recently but it's still tapping the same vein, only with a billion more thirdies now in the mix so I gotta ESL shit everywhere too

>>106901675
So the 80s and 90s?

>>106901635
trvke that will sadly be ignored.

>>106901613
You are really lucky to have that experience! Could you please, if you have the time at a rainy day in the next years, just for yourself, write down a bit about these different "versions" and the experiences with them and put that text into a drawer. I bet it would be interesting to read about it if that small text ever would appear anywhere public in the distant future!

>>106901635
>Stuff like Neocities and Spacehey have nothing but lefty pages, even though there's nothing stopping chuds from making their own.
Your politisperging makes you part of the problem.

>>106900507
nah the 2010's were pretty comfy. it wasn't until 2020 when COVID pushed everyone to be terminally online that shit really started to suck. nothing has felt the same online or IRL since 2020

>>106901635
no one on /g/ possesses the knowledge to start up a vps and post their lunatic thoughts on their own web pages.

they want to call everyone a tranny nigger tranny on social media because they saw a 20 year old screenshot of a 4chan raid thread one time

>>106900512
mood

>>106901635
Exactly this, the early days of the internet was full of geeks and nerds and social misfits who were so autistically into a topic they'd go out and buy a book on HTML to learn how to make a website. Just so they tell other people about the thing they were obsessively into.

Sitting around complain that the internet is shit doesn't make the internet any better. Actually quite the opposite.

That's the reason some of us are trying to resurrect usenet with alt.cyberpunk.tech rather than complaining about missing the old days of usenet and irc, we're going back and using it.

when youtube went online

>>106900422 (OP)
When locusts started swarming the internet like phoneposters. Or the other way around, whichever.

>>106900422 (OP)
The 2008 Macy's Parade rickroll.

>>106901635
Neocities will instantly ban you at the behest of any EU country that asks.

>>106902437
Stop making CP websites then.

>>106900422 (OP)
Facebook launch

>>106902453
If you think that immigrants should assimilate into the culture of the country they move to, you are a terrorist according to the EU and they will ask to have your site taken down.

>>106902437
Neocities TOS is literally the american law. What the hell are you talking about?

>>106902481
Rightly so, racism needs to be stamped out.

>>106902500
Their TOS excuse is that you're not allowed to create any site that threatens their network access in any country anywhere in the world, but it's very selectively enforced against 'rightwing' sites only.

>>106901635
Truth, you're giving me inspiration to start a Neocities. I've stumbled upon a few sites there that I'm pretty sure were started by people on here

>>106902545
>I've stumbled upon a few sites there that I'm pretty sure were started by people on here
Can you link them? I am not a government employee

>>106900661
look up the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis.
tired of people dismissing science as propaganda because of propaganda.

>>106902595
I'm not telling.

>>106902739
Ok then... I won't bother you anymore...

September of 1993, the eternal month, it's end never to be found by man.

>>106901635
You're shifting the blame onto a crowd that can't reasonably be expected to do anything that significantly changes the situation.
The problem isn't that there's a "shortage of people making random ass sovlfvl websites", but that the "main" sovlless corporation internet has attained so much mass that it just sucks the vast majority of traffic to itself and leaving it is too difficult for any random page to make a dent.

The main websites of the old internet weren't hobbyist-run personal blogs or whatever, they were specialized yet still reasonably large sites that aggregated users from different groups and hobbies each. What is now a subreddit used to be a whole forum, an entire website with its own culture and everything else. These were just small and community-based enough that they could reasonably sustain formation of independent satellites in the form of even smaller user-run sites.

You can't recreate this without somehow forever destroying the "platform" sites like Reddit and Discord that suck up all the communities to themselves because of "ease of access" and "familiarity".

>>106903394
picrel is relevant because it's basically le gravity of reddit and instagram pulling all the other le planets to itself and you cant just le tear out a chunk and fly it off now anymore

>>106900422 (OP)
2012-2016ish depending on your definition

>>106900422 (OP)
With phonefags

>>106900422 (OP)
Basically when Facebook sucked all the oxygen out of MySpace and the rest

Here's what you're going to do.

You're going to curate a few pieces of media to consume at your leisure over the course of about three to five weeks, and never use the Internet for non-work-related things during that span of time. Give yourself a hard limit, don't overwhelm yourself is the key. Know exactly what websites are mandatory for your lifestyle, if any.

Whenever you get bored, you're gonna pick one of those things to spend your time with. Read that book, play that game, progress through that anime, etc. If it fails to entertain you, either fall back to IRL hobbies, or do some exercise. If you live around family, do stuff with them, even if it's just watching TV.

If you finish something from your list, don't be afraid to run it back. There's nothing wrong with replaying a game after you already completed a save file. Plenty of movies can be seen multiple times and still be enjoyable. Maybe you missed some details in the middle of that book which will make sense on a re-read. The idea is that you don't move on to other media, you stay with what you already have.

The Internet tries to instill in us the idea that novelty is more comforting than familiarity. People don't work that way. A part of us craves verisimilitude. Else we wouldn't have daily routines. Without the Internet's cheap gratification and constant updates, we're forced to wrestle with that which exists in our immediacy.

Once those weeks have passed and you come back online (in a relative sense, as mentioned) one of two things will happen. You'll either see the current Internet as being not unlike the old Internet and approach it with a newfound appreciation of where to go and what to interface with. Or, ideally, you'll begin to phase out Internet altogether, only use it as necessary, and have more indirect relationship with it rather than let it control your life.

If this sounds absurd or autistic, just know that it used to be the default state not even a few decades ago.

>>106900443
>romanian
>white

>>106900422 (OP)
I remember thinking wow the internet is becoming kinda shitty in 2013, so it must have been before then, 2011 or so

>>106900422 (OP)
>>106900512
>>106901635
>>106902360
>REPENT ZOOMER
truth. you anons are wandering around and have no idea where to go except for the obvious nostalgiafaggotry sites full of children (neocities and spacehey)
Consider Cyberix as an alternative. It will actually load on era accurate browsers as well:
https://cy-x.net/ and consider reading the featured articles. Welcome to the club

>>106900790
He never said POCs couldn't hear it, only that it was a prerequisite for being white

>>106900422 (OP)
Looking at linked in and the only viral stuff is subhuman trash with photoshop teaching people how to photoshop a dress so it looks better for a store application photo.

So I'd have to say it's all the Chinese, Indians and Muslims.

Looking at youtube and the only viral stuff is subhuman trash, so I'd have to say it's all the Chinese, Indians and Muslims.

Looking at twitter and the only stuff I see is political trash, so I'd have to say the overwhelming political focus ruins things.

The porn is the only legit viral ting there.

>>106900616
the 4s didnt come out until the end of 2011, making it possible to activate an iphone without a computer + itunes

>>106900422 (OP)
Smartphones. Before that normies only used the internet at work or at school. And as we've seen the last decade or so normies can't handle being chronically online.

AI generated content drowning out real content is horrible. Notifications for AI content instead of real content is infuriating. I'm going to get the person who made this spam feature and I'm going to ruin a lot of their days. It's on my list of things to do.

Since I'm spilling out vile poison for the world to consume, I might as well complain about people who are addicted to social media.

Yes I hate social media users, you motherfuckers, I hate that I am using this with you, fuck you. I hate you eceleb trash. If you don't meet up in person, you're not a real person.

2009-2013 was such a comfy time to be online, smartphones and social media apps were a thing but they were clumsy fetuses, bulletin boards were still the de facto way to socialise with others over niche topics, and the speedy whirlwind propogation of memes through internet algorithms was a new thing that caught everyone's attention. I liked those weird hybrid years, it's a shame what it produced.

Also I want to complain about the low sex rates and low birth rates, then I also want to complain about the poltards who are anti-sex and who also complain about low birth rates. Fuck you.

I also want to complain about wagies who work 5 days a week, 8 hours a day.

I want to complain about being lonely all the time.

>>106900422 (OP)
2012

>>106901635
Even when I made a website I got no engagement out of it. It's filled to the brim with fun, creative stuff but I've received ZERO emails over the last 5 years despite the address being prominently displayed. In the old days every shitty geocities website with a link to email the webmaster through a client would yield dozens of emails a week from all over the world, some hatemail from trolls and some supportive. I get nothing. And despite that my "view count" and hits are high, so what gives? The only conclusion is it's all bots or humans that behave like bots. So then what's the point of trying to recreate the fun old times when no one cares?
>maybe your website sucks anon
Yeah maybe. But it's over 9000 times the value of those faggy neocities sites with just a bunch of links and a bio with pronouns, or some faggy programmer in Latvia with a dead blog about survival skills and cybersecurity.

Oh wow, I sure did love those old videos, people were genuinely happy and wanted to share that with the world. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnopHCL1Jk8

The decaying file formats have ruined the quality of the videos. Quality was that bad? Nah of course not. .mp4 file format decays with file transfers. It was so much better. These people definitely deserved love for posting that one good piece of content that everybody could enjoy. :)

>>106904260
Social medias have captured the entire population of the internet ecosystem and locked them behind botted content walls for effective intelligent people who would and could create content singlehandedly.

>>106904260
Without a group of passionate people, you cannot identify these issues and build around them because it takes too much time to identify what it is exactly that these social medias do. They are pay to win advertising engines and they work unfortunately.

>>106900790
*chirp*

>>106904269
It's true that there is some degradation when reencoding in another format, but remember that videos of that era were originally low resolution FLVs.

Furthermore the subscriber behavior of has been carefully wiped away from the mind of the consumers, they have been carefully trained to only accept media from the social media environment they persist in. They cannot escape it, it is a carefully constructed prison and no you cannot convince them to use real life instead, real life is less rewarding and too physically demanding.

Dead Internet Theory was a very effective method for separating users from their internet social medias. Allowing them to indeed interact with you once again. If the Dead Internet Theory was popularized again it would give us a better position.

>>106904260
This makes me feel I am/was doing the right thing by emailing people with cool Gemini capsules and saying hi
I got a couple penpals out of it

>>106904311
The legendary file format wizard arises and speaks about the ancient methods videos used.

>>106900422 (OP)
2015
it was on its last legs a few years before then but it was still there

>>106900790
>I'm black as a moonless midnight
kek

>>106900422 (OP)
>forums dead
>the few decent subreddits have been purged or border line useless
>hacker news massive techno-feudalistic startup bro circle-jerk
>youtube infested with AI abusing jeet content
Is discord unironcally the place I should be? I hate it because of the chat format but open to trooning out on it.
Unuroncally /g/ is now the last bastion for me....

>>106903574

I'm going to do this. I have about had it with the slop fest and want my old life back and I'm tired of being depressed.

One of the big things I have done actually involves the Internet, but in a different way, I built a complete retro gaming computer that operates on Windows 7 and is too slow to really use social media effectively forcing me off the slopfest, which is awesome so far, but is plenty fast enough for old games I still like to play.

The games installed are all shit from my childhood and early 20s and most have a fairly active community, stuff like Unreal Tournament 1999 and Counterstrike 1.6 and both still have full servers with actual players not just bots. If they don't have an active community they have a very good story line in single player, stuff like the original Call of Duty the very first one.

The big thing I want to get away from is modern social media, it's not really doing anything for me most of the time, though I have met quite a few creatives in that time that have helped me with photography by posing as models, and I have made some pretty good work as a result. What I'm getting at is the mindless consumption of media and propaganda that has become the norm in the United States.

Thank you, I will use this as a guide, it's time to unplug.

>>106904337
Bless you anon, it probably made their day. I'd like to believe there are people out there seeing my site who are just shy and wouldn't know what to say other than wow, cool, good job so they feel it's pointless. But anything is better than cold dead silence.

>>106904402
discord fucking sucks ass
maybe some servers could be alright, I've heard people say that, but all the ones I've been to, the interaction always sucked fucking ass, because of how the platform works, everything just scrolls upwards as people continue chatting, and nobody actually scrolls up to see the previous messages, so the result is that everybody is just spamming shit competing for attention
most conversations, unless it's like a very specialized server/channel, are at best a few messages back and forth before it fizzles out because something new has overtaken it, and at average like one-off le quirky funny replies, it's like twitter if twitter kept scrolling up before your eyes

>>106904515
I'm thinking now a combination of heavily filtered x.com is probably the best method of keeping up with tech news and hobbyist topics.
LocalLLaMA is a good example of a subreddit that's becoming more and more useless.

>>106904515
Small Servers with your steambros and servers pertaining to your niche hobby or a general hobby server under a dozen users is the best way to enjoy discord. Community servers and the cancerous ones linked here on 4chan with 120+ people in it aren't worth your time.

I'd say it was the iPhone 3GS (and "unlimited data.")
Around that time it ceased to be a thing to "be online" or to "go online."
It has become a 24/7 state with ubiquitous, omnipresent availability and usage. (if that makes sense)
The term "online" has become meaningless. So has the term "internet."

>>106900498
this
>>106900422 (OP)
2007 was the start with gamergate being the beginning of the end.
>>106903806
>Cyberix
pseud website that deletes comments, but like the push for xmpp
>>106904402
if you want your data leaked sure

>>106904554
mayhaps, honestly I've no idea
I deleted my twitter somewhat accidentally a few years ago and am glad to have at least that one attention/dopamine siphon out of my life
in a way I think it's not really necessary to "keep up with [...] news" in a way that would require using twitter for example but it may vary, if you're active in some community then I can see that
but also I think for many people it can be sufficient to just take a look once a week at their source of choice to get some picture of what's going on and that's it

>>106904576
oh yeah that is true, though at that point I feel like it being "discord" as a platform takes a step back, like the community is the main thing and discord just a medium
As in it's not really the thing in question when talking about "Discord" itself, could just as well be a whatsapp or messenger chat or whatever.
Fuck man I miss (the age of?) forums so much.

Something I've figured out recently.
I realized that I'm a "shit nobody cares about enjoyer/enthusiast."
Doesn't really help in the "internet" of today.

>>106904647
What are you an enjoyer/enthusiast of anon

>>106900790
Niggers don't exist naturally on the internet.

it got cancer in 2007 (smartphones and broadband popularized) and was dead by 2013-2015

>>106900422 (OP)
>When did the "old" internet die?
Near as I can tell, it was either when America Online started, or when .html was invented.

it's not dead. it's just a lull. re-calibration is in process. please don't leave.

>>106900422 (OP)
I think when livestreaming became known. And vtubers were the final nail in the coffin.

>>106900512
Good point. The people have been reprogrammed to not want old style internet, only want Tiktok, Youtube, PornGPT.

>>106900422 (OP)
When you started using it. Asshole.

>>106904402

Car forums are not dead though, I regularly visit jaguarforums and grassrootsmotorsports and their forums are very active, I have a few people helping me with my XJR right now

>>106903806
>cy-x
the underage faggot larpers that moderate it shadow ban IPs and delete meaningful comments because not enough words or something
>also
http://cy-x.net/t/help/306
KEK

>>106900479
Around 2012 is right. When reddit started becoming mainstream.

>>106901635
There's literally dozens of blogs and fediverse instances run by "chuds", either focusing on /pol/ shit, anime, or shitposting (or all of them at once), but they either get censored, abandoned or are gate-kept from the outside world (for obvious reasons).

when "fad" became "meme"

When I started seeing government advertising around the 2010s and media started attacking my right to bully retards online.

Formally when all the hate crime stuff came through

>>106900422 (OP)
When women gained access.

>>106903806
not sure if based or retarded

>>106900422 (OP)
I would say that the old internet died around the time that boomer stated to use it in mass, espeically around the time face book got really popular for the boomers.

I dont know if there is an exact moment, but there were major mortal blows to the old internet.
I would say the first major blow to the internet was
>Facebook opening to non college students
While you might be able to argue that MySpace is a more prominent one, i would disagree because it was still very much a p2p network, it was not very easily searchable and navigable, it also required half a decent knowledge of HTML to make it look good. Facebook opening up was a step to bringing normies into the social sphere

>The Death of Limewire and the bay(og)
The crippling of torrent networks was a major blow as well because it scared off a lot of people from a major aspect of the net sharing files, movies, books ect ect ect. Sure its still out there but its not the same.

>Mobile devices
The internet in your pocket was possibly the biggest major blow to the old internet, gone was the idea of being at home or business related if you hade a laptop now everyone was connected with a device the size of a pocket bible

>The rise of Tumbler and reddit
This was another major moment brought on by the last, it allowed normies to network and create very small tightknit groups of like minded people, the problem was, this created bubbles and the idea of chronically online people who view the world through a VERY fucked up lens of warped reality.

>The shattering of tumbler and 2016
When tumbler crashed, people scattered and fled to places like twitter and Reddit specifically which more or less turned into what tumbler was, echo chambers of view points and think. The 2016 election was the most "online" elections and the last time there was ever any sense of "The old internet" before people knew it was all fake, memes and not "real" people, now people think the internet is real life

But, pic

>>106903394
You can not care about Reddit, though.
You can just make your site and maybe shill pages you wrote on your (least) favorite microblogging site
Making and hosting a basic site has never been easier
But just like newbie Twitch streamers have to get used to talking to nobody until people start showing up, a new webmaster has to steel himself for the possibility that basically nobody is going to visit his site
And then you have to ask yourself if this is worth your time and going to get you a wife-material girlfriend
>>106901635
I did something about it (made a Gemini capsule) but convincing other people to do something similar is an uphill battle
>>106902545
Yay!
>>106904221
The solution is to be pro-baby-positive-sex AFTER marriage
>>106904402
https://www.datasecretslox.com/

the internet is serious business.

>>106902614
>not different in pre hormone treatment people of same biological sex with the exception of one study that has a control size of n=1

Troons dont have female brains, just underdeveloped regions. The same reason it's less developed in pedos too, just maldevelopment.

>>106900507
>>106900510
this. My experience using the WORLD WIDE FUCKING WEB started in 1995. The advent of the smartphone was the beginning of the end. Giving women and minorities access to the internet with a fucking pocket was a colossal mistake. Back when only "smart people" or "nerds" used computers it was way better. It was mostly 1st world countries, predominantly "the west"/America, Europe, and of course Japan. Now it's like a fuckin 3rd Pajeet.
I used to consider myself a "computer guy"... now I can barely use a computer (god forbid a fucking smartphone) without yelling and sperging out. All the ads. All the marketing. Raping your personal data and selling it. Faggot fucking scammers. Faggot bots. Faggot fucking AI slop non stop. I fucking hate it. I used to love the internet. Now I fucking hate it.

NUMA NUMA YEY

I knew it was dead when normies were reposting the sad frog in 2010

>>106900790
based

>>106902481
>If you think that immigrants should assimilate into the culture of the country they move to
that doesnt get you banned, thats just common sense.
you can express that without saying mudslime

Occupy Wallstreet backfired.

Basically Wallstreet said "Oy vey these internet goyim are quite the nuisance! Let's monitor them, eliminate their methods of communication, and lockdown their means of forming consensus!" And everything since has been psyop after psyop trying to pry away the freedoms we used to enjoy.

I'll say it here only once:
The jews specifically are guilty, they betray the greatest of humanity for nothing in return. It's only for spite and a fleeting sense of superiority with them. That's why every jew eventrally lives in abject squalor of their creation. They erassinate all the farms only to call themselves king until the last fruit rots.

>>106905271
Not to mention a series of tubes

>>106900422 (OP)
when you became old and jaded

>>106900798
A dark day indeed

>>106900616
pretty much this

>>106900443
>>106900790
told

>>106900790
>>106900816
maya BEEEP
maya BEEEP
maya BEEEEEEP
maya BEEEP BEEEP

>>106905559
how many .com did you get FOR FREE?

>>106900443
Cringe millennial brainrot. kys

>>106900422 (OP)
world should have ended in 2012 while blasting Gangnam Style

>>106900422 (OP)
maybe when smartphones came around in mass? in the early 2010s? Youtube when corpo and we started seeing tv networks have their own channels on a site based on sharing things from people not entities, it's mostly business and money motivated now. That's just a small example,there are also sites like tiktok ,instagram and snapchat that made content bite size for phones to handled and the meme formats that come out of that from not using a traditional PC for editing so you get shitty quality ones. There also the vibe it carried,I'd like to say it was more wholesome for most of it with pockets for edgy compared to now where there like afew layers of irony to unpack before it's funny

>>106900422 (OP)
Monetization of the web.

>>106901635
I mean what do you want us to do, invent people to talk to?

>>106900422 (OP)
There were several stages and warnings, but I'd say 2014 is when the internet started feeling pretty similar to how it is now.
Wish I didn't lose my old meme folder...

>>106900512
me : e_e
>what really died was people's ability to log off for more than an hour.
me : è_é

I felt personally attacked there, ngl

>>106900422 (OP)
Around the time when YouTube first implemented 720p quality.

>>106902280
Lol gtfo newfag.

>>106900422 (OP)
2009. the year boomers realized that no matter what buttons they pushed, the line did not go up.

>>106900714
My working theory is that tumbler was the result of the first successful astroturf from russian or israeli bot farms. Once the seed grew, Poes law took over and the idiots spread onto other platforms. I could also be convinced the threat actor was within the US, but i have no info on that.

>>106904074
>POCs
They're called shitskins.

>>106900422 (OP)
Well, there's always >>106900632

>>106905242
>And then you have to ask yourself if this is worth your time and going to get you a wife-material girlfriend
jej
you're right ofc, I'm not saying you have to go to reddit, but with how big and strong these platforms have become, it's not just that much harder to break off from them and create an audience for your small website, and then unlike before, where that audience would just be "standard" people browsing the web, now it's likely going to be "old internet" enthusiasts, just in general it's much less of a natural thing now than before
and a big part of the old internet were forums, which have definitely been extremely badly affected by Reddit and Discord's existence

>>106900422 (OP)
Launch of the iphone, accessible mobile computing killed the old internet that was built on people making an effort to connect both technically and emotionally

Reading the threadm the most common ones are
>Social media
>Smartphones
>Monetization of the web
And I totally agree, flip phones should have been the last stage of phones

When Harambe died.

December 21, 2012

Same as everything, when it got popular.

>>106900422 (OP)
When people realize you don't need to be a nostalgiafag to have fun or a sovl.

We do still need to be autistic about the right way of doing things though. Enshittification is proof the "just do what gets the job done" mindset is poison.

>>106900422 (OP)
that little blip of time in like 2012 when normies switched from genuine, if not naive, internet consumption to ironic and cynical.

>>106908329
it can't get much worse than it is now. and soon you'll be able to filter india and canada and other indian nations from your feeds.

the worst is already behind us.

>>106906721
2014 onwards is when culture wars started infesting every corner of the internet, and people started having less fun with it

>>106906721
i'm still looking for that 640GB drive with a backup of my 80GB drive with all my 2006 4chan memes on it

>>106900422 (OP)
2008

>>106909354
Pretty much. Constant "us vs them" mentality, politics everywhere, all this shit became very pervasive in 2014. Not sure if gamergate was the catalyst or not, probably.
>>106909377
Yeah I'm content that I at least have some shit from 2015 onwards on my backup drives.

>>106906777
è é

>>106908329
>additional space left for up to 125 %

>>106901291
would love to hear about this one cause I joined on 2009-2010, pretty sure I joined because something on the news about 4chins, but there didn't seem to be many like me, everyone was hiveminded
>>106901482
google is #1 at killing old internet, not sure about 4chins, but 100% buried old internet with literal ad spam shit with 0 real value for the one searching, pretty epic
>>106901568
probably around the time of the failed ddos on tumblr and influx of faggotry and founding of the neo-cancer wave (on tumblr)
>>106901613
please do tell
>>106901695
gamergate took moot down, unironically death by jewthot, or something along those lines

I remember when he dropped the coffee, he never came back after that, think for a minute of how many old memes, are you fucking faggots hoarding them or something expecting to sell them at an auction? fuck you

Whenever YouTube started monetizing videos. They became a business, the suits came in and all fun was gradually banned

>>106910409
I remember, it was a bunch of quasi-teens that sold yt to whomever giant for a bunch of cash.

Psst, you still have the old internet on Josh's website, the farms.

Speaking of moot, where has be been since he left The Google

I just wanted to say I still really like you guys and I've been around for about 16 years now. Even when you are calling me a fag, quoting me with a basedjak or endlessly doing boring schizo posting about trannies (again).

The way the internet has been locked down to stop people from saying what they really think, often without them even realizing, makes me feel incredible despair.

Without places like this to remind me what people are really like I might actually start to lose my grip on reality. I couldn't survive in a plebbit style social credit based society.

2017, the year where calling people retarded stopped being acceptable

>>106910589
who cares about moot? he was a libtard who wanted this website to be tumblr

>>106910589
no idea but I understand completely him not posting with his trip anymore, the absolute shitshow this site is today

>>106910604
I just wonder what's the ratio for "people" posting here and shills/retards with an agenda

In November 2016.

>>106910666
I'm sure there are plenty, however I think most of the blue boards are still pretty good for the most part, at least compared to the rest of the internet

>>106900422 (OP)
It started dying in 2011 and died in 2017-2018, its when normalfags and faggots fully overtook it.

>>106910700
when were we started getting b& for saying n*g*er on blue boards?

>>106901635
>but I never see you guys doing anything about it
because youre either not looking hard enough or are not invited. death of the Web is inevitable; trying to save it is a fool's errand. use/host private services. invite those you care about. fuck the rest.

>>106901635
Has it ever occurred to you that chuds are the ones who have killed the old internet by spamming it with zero-effort mockery memes and AI slop? Doesn't sound surprising they're not bringing back the comfy times.

>>106900422 (OP)
Start dying in 2007 with the invention of the iphone.
I died for real in 2014 when most of india got online for the first time.

>>106910653
his trip is #faggot

>>106900507
This. It wasn't quite so bad in the early 2010s but by 2011 at the latest it was undeniably over, even if it was still better than it is now.

>>106900422 (OP)
Signs of death began in 2012 and in 2014 it intensified. By 2016 it exploded and by 2020 the masks were completely off.

>>106900422 (OP)
its decline started with social networks and web2.0. these days, search engines make sure not to show old results, so you are not able to find tons of useful stuff just because it's "old".

>>106900422 (OP)
2012

>>106900422 (OP)
which old internet

probably varies with age and when you got on it, in that no sense answering the question because this shithole is a data harvesting front, 90% of the threads here are thinly disguided surveys

>>106906721
it's time to let go nonny

>>106910873
2007 is when the cancer started, 2014 is when it got to 3rd stage and started causing pain.

>>106910377
I keep seeing Yu-No all over the place, you guys are going to have me end up playing it lol.

>>106911310
you all keep saying 2007, what happened right then?

>>106911332
iphone

>>106910589
>>106910886
Maybe the real moot was the OP's we met along the way

>>106901695
I'm pretty sure that fluffing up Gamergate into some giant thing was an intentional act on the part of powerful parties.

The media circling the wagons and running a million articles was an excuse for executing orders from on high, the reality is probably that they and a ton of bots were part of a conscious push to divide the proles.

They also still have bots or actors embedded in various communities to ridicule and delegitimize anyone who tries to make a point of what a scam is was.

>>106911332
The Internet began to become popular in 2005 (Facebook) and by 2007 the wave of newfaggots (thanks to iPhone/smartphones) became hard to ignore.

>>106911367
>>106911349
that's strange, what I remember from 209-10 was a well oiled machine and an ebin hivemind, nobody truly sticked out from my pov

2007 began the downfall with social media and smartphones
2012 was the end when wokeness started
there is a zombie internet since then.

Smartphones killed it and that's not an argument, it's just a factual statement.

>>106911354
I am moot ama

>>106910684
I kind of overall liked the site around that election. Lot of people genuinely excited, was great to see both everywhere online and irl.

>>106911773
I remember some dude being like "ron paul /b/", and he was kind of shilling for him, like him alone, I wonder if that had anything to do with trump or not later on

>>106900422 (OP)
When things became monetised

>>106912316
undeniable

>>106900422 (OP)
Google and Facebook killed the internet.
Once again, jews are responsible for destroying something great created by Whites.

>>106900422 (OP)
when gary made nu-numa

>>106900422 (OP)
>artificial nostalgia thread riddled with bots
not only were smartphones and algorithmic manipulation detrimental to the old web, ai was the final nail in killing it completely. that's one of the big reasons ai is pushed so much - control. the internet is DEAD.

>>106900664
even that 2013 layout is starting to look soulful...

>>106900443
I can only hear the spic parody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBn5g314d5g

Algorithmic feeds, roughly late 2000's

>>106900422 (OP)
viral videos were just as shit as today. babies, cats, fat boys. human interactions were better because no likes and retweets and subscribes

>>106900614
>>106900616
this is 100% spot on. those stupid mobile devices have killed any sort of brain cells these people have left. mindless zombies scrolling all day every day

>>106903806
I like the idea but a lot of people there seem toxic sorry. Im an oldfag too, but you guys are judging zoomers way too harshly. Why are you, an adult, having intense emotions about the behavior of literal children? Do you realize that is what being a boomer means?
I do like some things about the website tho and I'm glad it exists.

>>106911332
old school prehistory < bbs(80's/early 90's) < cool wave(late 90's/early 2000's) < social networking(2005-2007) < phoneposting (2010-2012) < trool farm slop/cambridge analtiticaca (2016) < absolute cancer (you are here)

i've glossed over much but social networking is the primary inflection point for the shitslop overflowing sewer the internet is

dcember 6th, 2008

>>106914502
What happened on that day?

>>106900422 (OP)
2009. When Obama came into office as the "young hip internet saavy" President and pushed the government control structures into the old internet. Before Obama, the internet was simply known as the "tube" where you put the trucks into. After Obama, internet became a battleground for political control. Thats when ad started becoming huge, Youtube started exploding, social media backed by WEF advertiser groups like GARM became a thing to control the narrative.

>>106900422 (OP)
When retarded people started connecting to it from smartphones.

>>106900422 (OP)
By old you mean old youtube internet? Old 4chan and forums? Around the time TV shows (news and morning talk shows included) and otger normalfag corpo got official twitter and facebook accounts.
Also this>>106902360

>>106900422 (OP)
2015

Do people actually care about this? I feel like if they did there'd be a genuine effort to rebuild what was lost.

>>106914419
>absolute cancer (you are here)
You faggots have been saying the same shit since the IRC era. I ain't listening to whining bitches.

>>106914640
its hard to start or be the spark. it needs to be a huge community thing not a bunch of anons pissing into the wind.
and it seems like NEETs are going to have to lead the charge since wagies are too tired. theyll participate but probably not create.

>>106914640
There is a lot of not-so-sekrit club old timey shit content on the internet, the problem is, as soon as it gets popular normalfags flood it with their shitty social network shit and kill it.

>>106914640
Of course not. It's all just wallowing in nostalgia, as usual. Rebuilding takes effort. Most of these people are phoneposters (can't create anything worthwhile) or are too illiterate / creatively bankrupt to create anything of value.

>>106900422 (OP)
Around 2011-12

>>106900512
> doom scroll generation
I never use a smartphone, so I'm 100% on the 'old' internet.
It's definitely getting worse:
> gates of various kinds, especially javascript captchas which make it impossible to archive sites
> forums abandoned in favor of Reddit (old news but we're still living in the wasteland)
> image search is half AI slop
> can't tell if people are real or not
It's not just vast, we've lost something.
The only solution is for us to actively build human scale services on the small web that resist corporate takeovers.
> https://benhoyt.com/writings/the-small-web-is-beautiful/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)
> https://gmi.skyjake.fi/lagrange

>>106900422 (OP)
it started around 2013 for me
>mass adoption of smartphones
>rise of reddit
>beginnings of monetization on youtube
>appearance of vine as a precursor to tiktok

overall more normies became attracted to the net leaving fat ugly autists in the dust

>>106910604
> internet locked down
> places like this
> so nice
I have to use a proxy to post here because 4chan blocks VPNs and Tor.
It's much worse than you think.
A few more turns of the screw, and the comfy places will be unavailable to all but those who bow to governments and corporations. We're 90% of the way there.

>>106914640
Just because people miss it doesn’t mean they have enough spark of an idea to make your own SOVLFUL homepage and website
Like, you have to put some aspect of yourself out there on the Internet
And that’s scary, and “why bother?” is a VERY good question
>>106915481
Gemini is great on a smartphone, by the way

>>106900422 (OP)
When it started to literally disappear in the form of image hosting sites that every forum relied on (tinypic, imageshack, photobucket) died. Trying to wrap your head around how many old images are forever lost to the void is akin to mourning the burning of the Library of Alexandria.

>>106915728
> lost images
This is what motivated me to start my software project. An old forum I used to haunt had this old head, like 80 year old guy, who posted scans from his archive of Hollywood memorabilia. 15 years later and it was all gone and nobody had thought to save it. We hadn't realized then how vulnerable we were to link rot.

>>106900498
>people stumbling on stuff out of the blue
Damn now I'm missing StumbleUpon again

>>106900498
> I don't need you because I have this CD filled with better music than you could possibly play
> I don't need you because someone on the other side of the world is more knowledgeable than you
> I don't need you because this picture is more attractive than you and I cum harder looking at it than actually fucking you
> I don't need you because the corporate algorithm is more efficient at exciting me than you
> I don't need you because my smartphone is more interesting and entertaining than you
Problem?

>>106911310
>>106910873
I've been saying 2015 because that was around the time when trump campaign started. Which all the irl shit started sending people to /pol/ and 4chan in general. Then it just built from there until 2020 when most normies were stuck at home forced to use the internet. Telling you thats about the time things got REALLY shit.

>>106915824
The first month or two of lockdown was comfy but once AI slop started there was no turning back

>>106910604
I want you to kys and to fuck off. I hate the constant tranny discussion and basedjak dog shit. I want you to fuck off alreayd!

>>106915824
it was /new/ not /pol/ at that time.

>>106915825
AI stuff doesn't really matter to me. Its the people who are the problem. I'd rather have a ton of that shit then what we have currently.

>>106915839
/pol/ started in 2011

>>106915850
I really am getting old af. Time just blurring all together.

>>106914577
/thread. Everything else literally stems from this foreign national nigger's usurpation of the POTUS.

>>106900422 (OP)
When all of your normie friends moved to Facebook, and you were left on MSN wondering where the fuck everyone was.