Thread 106979377

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 217, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8
AVOID: NXZT, 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, Corsair 6500

>CPU
Budget: 9600X, 7600X, 7500F
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
AVOID Shittel

>COOLER
AIO: Best Value: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Mid range: Lian Li GA II Lite, Premium LCD: TRYX Panorama
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

>RAM
Gaming: DDR5 2x16GB 6000CL30
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: NM790
Mid range: SN7100
Premium: SN850X
Flagship: SN8100

>GPU
1080p: RX 9060 XT 16GB, Poorfag Esports Gaming: Used GPU between $100-$250
1440p: RX 9070 XT, RX 9070, Budget: RX 9060 XT 16GB
4K:Used RTX 4090, RX 9070 XT
Workstation: Used RTX 4090 or RTX 3090 ti
AVOID RTX 50 Series: False advertising "5070=4090 performance!!", unsafe power connector, broken drivers, overpriced compared to RDNA 4 in most regions, threatening reviewers, manipulating and faking reviews, evil anti-consumer company etc.
ALWAYS pair AMD GPUs with AMD CPUs for SAM https://imgur.com/a/6XSNJ9b

>PSU
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
https://www.rtings.com/monitor

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2

Prev: >>106970047

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch. 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

COMMON LIES BEING PERPETRATED BY TROLLS AND SHILLS ITT DEBOONKED 1/2

>RADEON HAS BAD DRIVERS!!!
They have been fine for years and have the same amount of problems that Nvidia drivers have or less. Most problems occur with productivity applications which is why Radeon gpus are not recommended for workstations. If you are just gaming you are unlikely to ever have any issues, especially if you only update to the latest driver when you need to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lv4-poQOyo

In contrast for the first few months Blackwell had major driver issues that are only now mostly fixed. Premium day one GeForce buyers that paid the nviditax had a worse early adopter experience than Radeon buyers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXoUsdSAnA

>RADEON HAS CPU OVERHEAD!!!!
It does not. Nvidishills likes to spam charts of cherry picked DX 11 games like KCD that do not play well with radeon but in reality if anything Nvidia has a worse overhead in CPU limited scenarios. Screenshot and videos below for proof.
https://imgur.com/a/A5MIHM6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiElNex2OC0&t=210s
Radeon "CPU Overhead" in Warzone chart that the Nvidishill used to spam debunked: https://imgur.com/a/yy3MZRS

>9000 SERIES MSRP AND SUPPLY WAS A LIE!!!
Nvidia normally supplies over half of the market, this time they made almost no GPU's and AMD despite making a large amount of cards is unable to fufill all of this demand effectively. The result is a low supply high demand market and increased prices. However besides the US which is also impacted by tariffs the 9070 XT in many regions with some effort can be purchased for around 700 dollars or less. The card will likely go back down to MSRP around January next year when the Supers from Nvidia come out to remain competitive.

>>106979428
2/2

>FSR4 IS IN NO GAMES!!!
Almost every game that has upscaling can be easily modded with Optiscaler to support FSR4. The result is better than native image quality in games with bad TAA. Cyberpunk 2077 before native support was added could be modded with Optiscaler, the game can run ultra RT at 80-90 fps and 50-60 fps pathtracing with good image quality using FSR4 on quality mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNzI-TBV--A
https://github.com/cdozdil/OptiScaler

Native FSR4 integration will get better into the future with many games planned to have support added this year. Because of AMD's collaboration with Sony on Project Amethyst and PSSR it's likely that all future games with a console release will have FSR4 on PC.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/the-amd-x-sony-collab-gave-us-fsr4-and-a-version-will-appear-in-playstation-next-year-too-having-already-started-to-implement-the-new-neural-network-on-ps5-pro/

>WHERE ARE OTHER FEATURES TO MATCH NVIDIA AND WHY IS PT PERFOMANCE WORSE?!?!
FSR Redstone which is coming out before the end of the year should noticeably improve Pathtracing perfomance and match nearly all Nvidia features such as Ray Reconstruction and AI Framegen.
https://videocardz.com/newz/fsr-redstone-on-track-amd-promises-dedicated-presentation

>ZEN 5 IS MELTING ON ASROCK!!!!!!!
There is no conclusive evidence for what the cause is yet. Zen 5 and the 9800X3D in particular have sold very well and most people haven't had any issues. It's possible there was a bad batch of processors and ASRock motherboards have BIOS settings that are worsening the problem, or the fault may entirely be with ASRock, there isn't enough information to make any kind of conclusion yet. For now just avoid ASRock boards to be safe and you will likely be fine like the thousands of other people who have bought and used these CPUs for months with no problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFYPnT_AQLk

Just waiting for the tv and desk legs to come in. Then have to put the desk together and can start the build. Plan is for next friday then get my friend to help me setup the tv and connect everything on saturday. Then spend the next 2 months figuring out how to update, optimize and make it all work. The stupid tv alone has a whole google drive of guides. Man I miss my old hundred pound crt brick.

>>106979377 (OP)
I have a desktop that's kinda sitting around not doing anything at the moment with an old OS SSD in it that I still want to keep. I want to install a new version of windows and use it pretty much just for some CAD stuff. the computer can handle the requirements just fine but I want a new SSD to install win10 or whatever on. I don't have an m.2 slot so it needs to be SATA.

What's the cheapest SATA SSD that's at least around 120GB that won't shit the bed within a year? I'm still in school so I'm fine buying something kinda cheap just to do some stuff on the computer until I get an actual job.

Do you think RTX 3060 12GB is still a good card for the near future? What do you recommend in that budget range?

>>106977791 #
>or wait for tandem WOLED with a glossy finish.
You mean the XG27AQWMG? That's what I'm deciding to trade my current monitor (G61SD) for, it looks promising. I can't find any downsides about it though, not sure if I'm being misled by something, seems too good to be true for its price ($599)

>>106979619
anything under 9060XT is ewaste

>>106979622
That price is most likely a limited, promotional launch pricing.
Buy it ASAP if you can find one at that price and worry about QC, firmware etc later.

>>106979619
5year old gpus arent great for the future

5060, 9060xt 16gb are the budget options
5070 is the mainstream option

>>106979698
>Buy it ASAP if you can find one at that price and worry about QC, firmware etc later.
The problem is that the return date for my current monitor is at 11/19, so I'm not sure. And I'm not exactly made of money. Do you think it'll be rare to find one at that price, kind of like how the GPU's sell? I'm hoping not, same thing already happened to me with the 9070 xt and it sold out before I had the chance to buy it at the same day.

>>106979619
No, it's trash. Only used 3xxx cards you should be considering are the 3080 12g or 3080Ti, then compare the value against a 6800XT.
If you are looking at a new 3060, shit nigga what are you doing.

>490 pro
>k13 r2r
my ears have never heard such clear audio
the sad thing is some songs are ruined now because i can hear the mastering fuckups

>>106979377 (OP)
>AVOID Shittel
Are you on here literally 24/7? You didn't even wait for bump limit this time

My 5070ti handles all games on ultra 4k very well. God bless DLSS!

>>106979788
I am genuinely curious where they go with dlss 4.5 or 5.0. It's pretty good right now. I heard that reflex 2 and framegen don't work together though so that's kind of weird.

>case has a +$20 version that adds an lcd to the front
Is it worth it?

>>106979786
how else will be cope with his Radeon buyers remorse

>>106979802
You should be spending minimum 2k anyways for a new PC. 20 is nothing in that case. Get it

>>106979771
>Only used 3xxx cards you should be considering are the 3080 12g or 3080Ti
The 3090 is still an AI staple considering it's (fucking somehow) the only <$1000 green GPU with 24GB of ram

>>106979802
depends, post pictures

>>106979619
>What do you recommend in that budget range?
2080ti. Any ampere card other than the 3080 or 3080ti aren't worth bothering with at this point.
>>106979634
Do you happen to own a 9060xt?

>>106979827
no I own a 5090

>>106979833
sure you do, Mohammad

>>106979839
Ur gonna feel soo stupid when I get home and screenshot my GPU-Z

>>106979820
Lancool 207
I've spent the past week going through cases and this is the only one that checks all the boxes

For dudes who have an LCD on your case, do you actually look at it? How bad does it hit performance?

>>106979846
Whatever you say, Aziz

>>106979793
The final frontier of upscaling is handling occlusion artifacts, the distortion around edges of very distinct objects and surfaces, including UI. Dust particles causing outsized ghosting is related I think. Once they fix that though, literally nowhere to go except refinements and more efficiency. Kind of like PCIe 5.0 having so much bandwidth that you will never need an upgrade for a very long time?

This is one topic that purely agnostic solutions like the Yellow Duck cannot deal with. I think to truly solve the problem the game needs to render part of the scene behind the moving object and feed that info to the upscaler.

repasted my 3080, thermalright heilos from aliexpress seems to work okay.
UPSIREN Thermal Putty UTP8 was so annoying to apply that I wished I had went with pads instead. I used an entire 50g bottle and it wasnt even enough for all the pads, the pads I removed weighted around 32g

average gpu temps went down a bit
The hotspot temps went down significantly from earlier
memory junction temps are relatively high so I wonder did I paste them poorly but its within limits

>>106979851
depends on where your case is
for 20 bucks you might as well get it regardless though. penny pinching 20 bucks on a pc build is silly

>>106979759
>Do you think it'll be rare to find one at that price, kind of like how the GPU's sell?
It's a promotional pricing to get more launch momentum and hype, just like the matte 4th gen WOLED LG 27GX700A-B, which is now selling for $850.
Amazon Prime & the official LG online store discounted it to $599 for a limited time.

You're not completely happy with that Samsung OLED anyway. I'd use the old monitor if you still have it while you find a better OLED monitor.
It's fine to live with that Samsung OLED if you can't deal with all this (returning, waiting™, tracking availability, etc.)

Does the 5080 have melting connectors like the 5090? Just bought one

Here's the real /pcbg/ btw
>>106979878
>>106979878
>>106979878

>>106979890
Just let this 20-year-old kid waste one of the best phases of his life making /pcbg/ OPs every day.

>106979890
>Here come use my brand war thread that I also made instead
Kill yourself

>>106979900
That thread is even worse bro

Spinning off a separate amd general when?

>>106979864
>It's a promotional pricing to get more launch momentum and hype
How long do you think that'll last? Do you think stocks will go by quickly? I'm fine with waiting™, but it would suck to not have a good monitor, although I am also using a secondary monitor (1080p 75hz) right now, so I'll obviously manage if everything goes fine. I just don't want to miss something since I bought the Samsung monitor on sale, then I'll have to wait for another sale, or just cuck myself and buy the coming monitor above MSRP which would suck and take away too much money

>>106979879
You have to be either extremely unlucky with a flawed batch or pretty retarded to cause the power connector to melt on that 5080 (360W Stock, 390W maximum). It has enough safety margin.

Even the RTX 6000 Pro Blackwell Server PCIe card is spec'd to draw 600W from that connector.

>>106979852
Gupreet, just because the best thing you can afford is a used RX 580 doesn't mean other people in white countries can't afford anything decent

>>106979879
Cables don't burn on the 5090 either

>>106980014
>waitniggers getting btfod
Based

>>106979742
>5year old gpus arent great for the future
I have a 7 year GTX 1080 that lasted me until this year before it struggled to play the latest games

That may have made me overly optimistic

>>106979855
>UPSIREN Thermal Putty UTP8 was so annoying to apply
You roll it into a ball or line and squish it on a chip?
It's friggin play dough anon

>>106976995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHCPsM5ECw
Thanks for posting this now I'm having another mental breakdown. For all the time I've been doing this research everyone said the arctic LF 3 pro was the best aio hands down. But this video says it's actually one of the worst. How can his results be so different from everyone else? I'm considering sending it back and getting something else but how can I know if this guy is lying or what?

>>106980079
it doesnt stick easily to the chips, it likes to move wherever to the plastic tool and the gloves

>>106980050
the joos froze my account to make me suffer increased ram prices.
whats the point of waiting for black friday sales if prices are going to keep skyrocketing.

>>106979973
>How long do you think that'll last? Do you think stocks will go by quickly?
It will sell quickly @ $600, faster than the matte LG.
Samsung needed to supply cheaper 1440p HDR TrueBlack 500 QD-OLED panels this year, and sell some 4K TB500 panels.
XG27AQWMG is scheduled for a November or December launch, so you might get lucky with availability & the return deadline for your Samsung monitor.

>>106980071
I'm sure if you got a 5080 or something it would last just as long. Really I think any of them as long as they aren't 8gb should be usable for a while
The radeon gpus it'll probably be sketchy sooner

>>106979428
>>106979436
If Radeon is good why do pro players never use it? Nvidia reflex is just too good to give up for competitive

why do the best not sponsored or bribed e-sports players have Radeon GPUs in their home systems?
probably because they know Nvidia GeForce is nonviable for competitive games due to frequent crashes, stutters, poor frame pacing and driver timeouts that make it impossible to compete

>>106980080
I believe they tested three different Liquid Freezers (one they owned, one they newly bought, and one sent by Arctic).
It's not a disaster given the price, build quality, and overall customer service.
It could be the shape of the cold plate that may have prioritized Intel IHS.

Ryzen being this popular among gamers is a relatively new thing; most of the CPU cooling R&D went into optimizing Intel CPUs.
That's also why it took so long to get an Apex motherboard for an AMD platform.

>>106980093
I guess my laird tputty maybe a little different. It stuck itself to most anything
I threw away the little ball I had cause I kept fucking with it

>>106979555
nevermind, it's clear to me now after perusing this thread that the posters here are retarded 12 year olds or pajeets. I'll figure it out myself. At least I got trips.

>>106980143
From his video I'm looking at these three, they were all top tier in the tests far above the LF 3. The Lian Li was the best by far but he warned that they had problems with previous versions so I'm sort of afraid on that one. Of the three do you think any of them are worth getting instead of the LF3?

>>106980168
The Corsair Nautilus, their test shows this one keeps the 9800X3D a bit cooler than the Cooler Master at all noise levels.
The Corsair RS fan is relatively new, too

>>106980133
>why do the best not sponsored or bribed e-sports players
Name 5

is the R7 9800x3d idling at 43c running at 2.96GHz normal? my last cpu(3700x) would idle at 34-36c

>>106980164
Some of the cheap SATA SSDs have terrible total endurance ratings.
Samsung 870 Evo is still the best SATA SSD to get, and the rest don't appear to make enough SATA SSD to be affordable.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mRpmP6/samsung-870-evo-500-gb-25-solid-state-drive-mz-77e500bam

I finally caved in and bought all the parts, finally I went full apeshit, now...

How do I build PC? Anons, what should I read or watch before I build it? Any advice? What is the most common/retarded mistake ever that I should avoid?

>>106980214
all the actually good players get sponsors geg

>>106980133
why does the best player in the world at counter strike use geforce then?
and no good players use Radeon, shouldn’t they have an advantage?

>>106980374
Shout out to all my sponsors.

I will never go back to amd. Dogshit cards have no longevity.

>>106980369
Watch a youtube video to familiarize yourself with the steps. Have it ready on your phone to refer to.

Some stupid problems people are not removing cooler protection plastic.
Installing cpu wrong way.
Bending pins from mishandling or dropping am4 cpu. Spreading thermal paste on the wrong side of cpu.

Failing to plug everything in correctly, using force to plug something in incorrectly which either ruins the component or the mobo socket.

the answer is simple, radeon is incapable of achieving competitive framerates in counter strike due to a catastrophic lack of GPU horsepower

>>106980414
Radeon managed to make a GPU that loses to the 3080 while chugging more power with a 2 generation process node advantage, the incompetence of the Radeon engineering team is only eclipsed by the incompetence of radeons software development team with 5 second long macrostutters, driver timeouts and blackscreens plaguing users
it makes perfect sense why their market share has plummeted to a horrendous 6%, gamers are smart enough to only be fooled into purchasing a Radeon product once

Hmmm, interesting...

>>106980414
why was the 5060 excluded from this list?

>>106980473
you're unlikely to use it at 4k

>>106980473
wasn’t released at time of review

This is what my fan setup looks like. I have no liquid or radiator on top.
Should I install top exhaust fans?

>>106980750
You put an AIO there and you keep a strict max limit on the rear fan so that it doesn't throw out air it doesn't need to.

>>106980781
>You put an AIO there
None of my stuff uses liquid. I might upgrade to a 5090/6090 next year, though, so maybe then.
Are you saying I should just install three fans there anyways?
>you keep a strict max limit on the rear fan so that it doesn't throw out air it doesn't need to.
Any where I can learn more about this?

>>106980788
>Are you saying I should just install three fans there anyways?
You put one at the rear top so that it assists the air cooler. If you must, one facing inwards at the front top to minmax. Otherwise leave the top middle and front empty or put a plastic bag there (held by some top cover or magnetic mesh) to force the front fan air to never escape early.

>Any where I can learn more about this?
It's called your brain
If using an AIO you want as much as possible to go up into the radiator, instead of passign through to the back and doing nothing.

>>106980817
>If using an AIO you want as much as possible to go up into the radiator, instead of passign through to the back and doing nothing.
Maybe I'm stupid, but my brain is telling me the opposite, isn't it?
Why do I want the air to linger inside the case? Don't parts heat up proportionally to ambient temperatures? So I'd want to replace that air as fast as possible. It's not like I'm filling a bucket and need to wait for it to reach the brim, and it's not like I have a limited supply of air, right?

>>106980833
When an AIO is stuck to the top it IS the exhaust fan array. Three of them pulling upwards is quite a lot of evacuation, the one at the back is only capable of helping with getting the waste heat from the GPU instead.

>Why do I want the air to linger inside the case?
Air is being taken in from the front, it can not be lingering unless you have zero RPM on every case fan. It will find its way out on its own; this is known as positive case air pressure, which helps to reduce dust buildup as the air will blow out of every hole and crevice it can escape from. A higher pressure behind the AIO fans will also help it push through the radiator fins, which are a source of air resistance.

>>106980880
Right, but how does all of that add up to me needing to limit my exhaust fan? If anything, wouldn't I want it working as hard as it can while maintaining positive pressure (and it's currently 5-to-1 so that shouldn't ever happen)?

>>106980369
have internet access, the bigger the screen the better
watch a bunch of videos of people building pcs on the same case you bought, unless its some obscure chinkshit there will be
understand why shit is done, understand why that cable goes there and that other one goes to the other part of the motherboard
familiarize yourself with the psu cables so you know before hand which cable is for what pieces
dont sweat cable management (too much)

>>106980750
picrel is what noctua recommended a while ago, we used to meme about that image a lot
its how my current setup is set now
im not gonna pretend any anon knows better than fucking noctua

>>106980750
for me its this one

>>106980750
exhaust fans are a meme

Would it be worth it to buy a portable icemaker that dispenses cubes in front of my intakes? I have carpet so I don't have to worry about the mess.

>>106980894
Reducing the pressure around the final AIO fan, taking away perfectly cold fresh air that just entered and has done nothing from being used by the AIO. Again, the AIO fans when mounted on the top is the primary exhaust. Any "ambient heat" from other components goes out that way just fine. If a hot GPU and SSD causes the CPU to heat up a bit because the radiator is now getting warm air passing over it, that will just trigger all the fans to ramp up and solve the issue. It causes the AIO radiator to function as a general temp sensor for the whole system.

>>106981235
>taking away perfectly cold fresh air that just entered and has done nothing from being used by the AIO.
But it's being replaced with more perfectly cold fresh air.

>>106979377 (OP)
My wife AMD-chan

>bought a new m2 ssd because running out of space
>2nd m2 slot is underneath pcie slot and can't be accessed without removing the gpu
>gpu is held by a latch and is obstructed by the cpu cooler
that's a painful 30min trying to install a ssd

Is everyone and their mother a video editor nowadays? Why is every build question online asking for a build for "video editing and gaming"?
Bonus points if they also ask for a good build for "coding", yeah right, as if you can't write and compile code just fine on any old toaster. You're probably doing React anyways and that shit's meant to run on the lowest common denominator's Android 4.3 smartphone with half a gig of RAM and a chrome version from a decade ago.

>>106981508
maybe you just imagined all those posts wanting a build for video editing

I think the building guide link in OP uis broken. Maybe it should be https://igwiki.lyci.de//wiki/Build_a_PC ?

>>106981528
I'm talking about the /new section on the build a PC subreddit. I'm bored out of my mind at work and shitposting there helps as it's more active than this thread.

>>106979377 (OP)
Reminder to clean your PC regularly and re paste your CPU/GPU every year
My GTX 1080 temps literally goes from 80C to 65C on full load after doing a deep cleaning

>HDD prices fucking doubled compared to March 2023
what the fuck
why?

>>106981630
>re paste your CPU/GPU every year
every year is retarded, I'd give it about 3 years
thermal pads last even longer, potentially even forever (in terms of useful hardware)

>>106981660
Those dust aint gonna clean itself

>>106981630
Re-pasting your stuff so often isn't a good idea unless you are using some strange TIM.
For GPUs you would also had to worry about thermal pads, fuck that.

>>106981665
I've no idea where you live where you get a heavy dust buildup within a year
even then, it's not like the dust is between the chip and the heatsink, and disassembling everything instead of just blowing at it seems rather excessive

>>106981665
dust isnt same in every place
I have very little dust in my apartment and filters do good enough job that theres very little build up in the fins

>>106981669
Just clean the GPU processor only and skip the thermal pads. If your heatsink glued into thermal pads..... you got shit GPU anon....

>>106981630
I used my old PC for 7 years straight only undusting it occassionaly and never had temperature issues.

dust adds character and is proof of performability

>>106981630
strong contender for most retarded post on the whole /g/ right now
keep it up anon

>>106981686
Some GPUs have very fragile thermal pads or ever thermal putty.
Also thermal pads degrade over time.

Okay lets say i want to dust my pc
I unplug all the shit and wait a few mins to make sure all the magic energy that powers it is gone and the machine spirit has calmed
Then what?
I open the side door and use a clean brush to get the dust out of the parts while keeping the vaccum cleaner pointed towards where im dusting? to vaccum the dust particles as i coax them out with the brush?
I have no compressed air access nor the will to go to the hardware store and buy a can

>>106981709
>Dont clean your pc until it die from overheat after 5 years bro.
Dont come crying to /g/ when you got it

>>106981708
>t.

>>106981745
dont brush stuff thats how you'll break it
dont force air through fans so they spin at high speed
get a duster fan and never buy canned air again

>>106981757
This is why the desire to move all the cables to the rear of the case is a good and moral thing. A smaller amount of cables in the way of air means less surfaces to stick to, and the higher velocity makes it easier for dust to get blown off and not adhere to the remaining open surfaces. The only concern for the future is if cables get hot enough that cooling them becomes a genuine consideration.

>>106981770
I read somewhere that these fans can bleed static electricity into the dust particles that pass through as it blows, anecdotally my PC behaved strangely for a while the day after blowing it once.

>>106981770
anon if im not buying a can of air im not buying a "duster fan"

>>106981772
>the future is if cables get hot enough that cooling them becomes a genuine consideration
12VHPWR is already here.

>>106981745
I use mini vacuum cleaner, SOFT toothbrush, tissues, my mouth

>>106981782
>my mouth
I can imagine how you lick those PCBs and heatsinks.

I once had my real old gpu stop working from dust, it had 1 fan

I think the 3 fan designs where the air moves sideways immediately will have less dust build up
Theres more intake and surface area for the limited amount of dust flowing in the case, and higher pressure so theres less build up

>>106981777
anecdotally that sounds like bullshit and I've used it several times with no issues
again, dont force the fans to spin at high speed or it pushes voltage back into the motherboard

>>106981790
vacuum cleaner for heatsinks
toothbrush for fans
tissues and blow from your mouth is for PCBs

>>106981795
I'm not dumb enough to blow on components without holding the fans. It still behaved funny afterwards. Maybe if its some kind of really dodgy Chinesium minimum-cost design.

>>106979377 (OP)
Is the price premium for a chipset that supports PCIe 5.0 over 4.0 really worth it in terms of gaming performance?

>>106981851
It is for future proofing. Nvidia recently seems to like to use x8 PCIe cards if it is an entry-mid tier card, which can choke on a 4.0. If any manufacturer makes a card in such a segment that happens to be the value king then you might get hurt by a 4.0. Meanwhile a 5.0 has double the bandwidth of 4.0, so this safety margin extends for many generations ahead.

>>106981851
Only if you have PCI-E gen5 GPU and you care about 1% lower performance.

>>106981865
>>106981866
Currently putting together an upgrade with a 7800/9800x3d and a 9070 xt and trying to figure out what's overkill and what isn't

>>106981777
Some anon fried his mobo with this shit. Can in the air is still best bet.

>>106981649
its child porn season.

>>106981875
>figure out what's overkill and what isn't
Well that confirms what principle you're working with. The choice between B650 and B850 nowdays is whether you are trying to scrimp on every last penny or not buy something with more features than you need. Personally I err on the side of getting the most advanced tech available. For you I guess it will depend on how big the price difference the B850 has over the B650 in your area. Also consider that if you're buying a class _800x3d Ryzen then is a little bit more to get a modern chipset really that much?

how did she afford 128gb ram with the current prices

>>106981893
>then is a little bit more to get a modern chipset really that much?
You're totally right although I tend to then apply that to everything in a feedback loop, escalating up to128gb ram etc.
Prices are actually just about 30-50€ more here, so probably worth it
Thank you anon

>>106981875
You mainly want higher end chipsets for better IO like more m.2.
If you look around you can find cheaper X670E or B650E boards if you care about more about just PCI-E 5.0 over Wi-Fi 7 or USB4.0.
Also remember AMD did AyyMD thing and re-released the older chipsets under the new names but they also changed their tiers.

>>106981745
ordinary vacuum cleaners can create huge static electricity anon especially on a dry day.

>>106981940
>care about more about
Eh, this is what I get for not reading the whole post before posting.

>>106980284
Yes

what is the best airflow if the pc case is like this

>>106982177
Exactly how it is.

>>106982177
rear intake
bottom intake
top exhaust

>>106982177
You'll want to make sure all fan-motor-polarities are such that they're blowing out since you want to create underpressure within the case to suck the heat out

>>106982177
Flip the bottom fans to intake they're exhaust.

>>106982177
doesnt look like you can swap the bottom and top panels. if you have a 3d printer, you can consider deshrouding the gpu cooling and it with the bottom fans by exhausting its heat out of the case.

>>106979377 (OP)
How is this for 1440p gaming:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/4tHk2x
Budget 1500-1750€ in Germany.
I'm keeping my old case and some big HDDs

>>106982177
zesty

>>106982177
i assume the front is for hard disks? never understood why there's no fans there to cool them

>>106982289
250 eurobucks for ram what the fug

>>106982177
Your graphics card probably sucks air onto the card and out of the back, so the bottom two fans should pump air into the case. Similarly, your cpu fan is probably blowing right-to-left in your image so the fan in the back should suck air out.
You can also just experiment, flipping the fans isn't so much work.

Hey bros, my PC of 13 years recently died and I've been ordering parts for a new build and they're almost here but I'm not at the point of deciding what to do with my OS.

It seems like W11 on a new build just makes sense even though I'm very much not a fan but the idea of paying another $140 for an os I don't even want to use doesn't sit right with me. What is the cheapest legitimate way to get windows 11 and do people still use loaders? I have a bunch of old w7 keys lying around but I guess they don't let you upgrade from there anymore. Anyway thanks.

>>106982315
RAM prices are fucked atm
It's 64 gb with good latency, could be convinced to go to down in latency or size

>>106982315
>He doesn't know.

>>106982342
>>106982350
my 32 of the very same corsair ram was like a third of that price last year

>>106982220
>>106982229
rear intake
bottom top exhaust
or
bottom intake
rear top exhaust?
which one is it

>>106982300
yeah its hdd 3.5

>>106982359
Even if you bought your stuff month ago you would pay way less.

>>106982330
OPEN WIDE ANON SAY AAAAAAHHHHH
>>>/fwt/
>>How do I activate Windows?
>HWID2 generates and registers a permanent legitimate license on MS's activation servers github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts
as legitimate as you can get (kind of legitimate) for as little money as possible (free of charge)

>>106982330
with a quick of search of about 20 seconds i found several windows 11 licenses for about 15 euros

>>106982289
Perfectly fine
Consider a 7800x3d as the current consensus of the council of anons is that the bump in price doesn't match the bump on performance on the 9800x3d
You probably dont need 64gb ram but it wont hurt and since prices are going up maybe you are saving yourself money there in the end
If you are keeping some old storage you could also downsize to 1tb nvme and use it for system and programs while the older storage is used for well... storage but 2tb doesn't really seem overkill
And lastly i dont know how old is your case but cases has seen a massive improvement in the last... 5-6 years.
Anyhow the build is perfectly fine, i just wanted to help you reconsider those points just in case

>>106982379
Alright I'll probably just use a loader then, thanks

>>106982330
you can get it for free on /fwt/ or buy a key on any gray market key site, i remember there also was a subreddit that sold w10 keys for like a dollar but it got banned
Remember to run a debloater after install to remove a bunch of the superfluous shit

>>106982363
If you want positive pressure you would do two bottom intake, rear intake, and top exhausts.

Or you can make the rear exhaust and have all the exhausts spin slower than the intake. That will create positive pressure as well.

Will the 5070 remain the most popular RTX50-series GPU or will the 5060 Ti 16GB overtake it in the long term?
Also I'm really happy to see the 5070 do so well in the Steam HW Survey, even though every YouTuber talks about the 9070 XT instead. It just proves that Techtubers are either biased or sponsored to shill AMD.
How many of them daily drive AMD anyways? LTT team switching to AMD for a month was a whole video series! You'd think going from the most popular option to their direct competitor would be simple and normal, pick whatever's best value, but they all had various problems going from the standard choice (Nvidia) to the alternative (AMD). You'd assume they were switching to a relative newcomer in the GPU sphere, like Intel's Arc GPUs, not an established tech giant like AMD.

>>106982391
Since I don't often upgrade my pc I want to make sure I future proof it a bit, hence the 9800x3d and 64gb ram.
What improvements have there been in cases?
Thanks anon

>>106982454
Nvidia driver issues on Windows and Linux make it terrible option. You're going off laptops and oems instead of actual builders. By your logic nobody buys 9800x3d or Ryzen because Intel still shits all over Ryzens market share.

>>106982466
>>106982466
>because Intel still shits all over Ryzens market share
Presumably all old PCs from back when Intel was stick default and Ryzen was an unproven newcomer, so up to 10th-12th gen at most. That's about when I stopped seeing new Intel builds entirely, everyone just defaults to Ryzen now.
>Nvidia driver issues on Windows and Linux make it terrible option.
skull isue, works on my machine flawlessly

>>106982482
For every amd laptop or desktop prebuilt you find 20 Intel oems with Nvidia graphics inside. Your logic is flawed because you defend bad drivers on Windows and Linux the two major OS in the entire planet besides iOS which isn't x86.

>>106982359
I bought the same ram last year and euro is not much more than back then. That said, it's $423 on Amazon right now.

>>106982495
I'm just stating my personal experience. I haven't had any driver issues on any of my Nvidia cards - GT630 back in the day, took a long break using AMD shit because I was poor, then 1660 Super and most recently RTX 5070.
What workloads would even cause driver-related issues? I use my GPU for gaming and running Stable Diffusion models.

i built my pc like 6 months ago, no real problems apart from some crashes caused by sound card driver issues, ive now gotten rid of the sound card
now its just randomly started powering off completely. No performance drop, no intense load, just off. Dead. Immediately reboots after, and its not a surge because the surge protector multi plug thing has my monitors in and they are still on fine.
i started using hwinfo to log it and gave the logs to chat gpt (im dumb ok) and it confirms that (and i could see this myself) pre crash, the pc isn't under any real stress, the cpu is at like 51 degrees, the gpu is nowhere near max cap (sometimes im literally just in excel spreadsheets or playing like Isaac or an indie game)
so its the psu right? is there a way i can check? I thought i fixed it when i updated the bios because apparently the bios of my mobo (x870) had issues with certain psus, and then it ran fine for a few days and is now crashing again

i cant understand why the gpu would randomly trip out. I can play something like i dunno, battlefield 6 on maxed out 4k graphics etc, and whilst the pc is under load, its not crashing. Then i'll be browsing the internet or playing a less intensive game and it just completely shits out. Weirdly the lights on my Ram and my power light stay lit, but all other stuff cuts out? its like the psu stops providing power to certain places. I checked every single cable and they are firmly plugged in

>>106982289
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/4tHk2x
>Budget 1500-1750€ in Germany.
>I'm keeping my old case and some big HDDs
>>106982463
>Since I don't often upgrade my pc I want to make sure I future proof it a bit, hence the 9800x3d and 64gb ram.
I don't really know how much future-proofing an extra 5% uplift the 9800X3D has over the 7800X3D is gonna offer you in reality (you say you don't upgrade often but you could still grab a Zen 6/7 X3D flagship in about 4-5 years as a drop-in upgrade in this AM5 motherboard):
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/21.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0oimg79NZ8
Grab a discounted tray 7800X3D while they're still in-stock:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/CzZWGX/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-42-ghz-8-core-oemtray-processor-100-000000910

Slightly cheaper RAM that has the same effective speed:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/7yy8TW/patriot-viper-elite-5-ultra-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-veu564g6432k

Slightly overpaying for the NVME:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/VYqrxr/kioxia-exceria-plus-g3-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-lsd10z002tg8
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/kioxia-exceria-plus-g3-2-tb/19.html
Still uses TLC NAND for the higher endurance, and the speed difference between NVMEs is negligible for client usage.

Slightly overpaying for the PSU:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/gWbwrH/seasonic-focus-gold-750w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-750fm

Edited PCPP List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/XMxy6Q
^ ~160€ Saved

>>106982463
They are overall more spacious inside as they dont have to hold bays for older hard drives, usually they now with space for 1 brick hard drive or 2 SDD (or both) that end up hidden with the psu
They also dont need to have optic drive bays which means that the frontals can be used fully for air intake, they also have space for extra fans
Way easier build and tidier cable management as they now have more openings around the motherboard base

Its probably not the biggest deal but if you find the money to get a decent modern case is worth considering.
Picrel left is my old case (i wanted to use a real example), right is a case that i shill often in these threads because i found it to be damn good for its price

>repasted gpu
>system crash couple days later
Oh joy

>>106982624
retard

>>106982561
Really does look like the 9 isn't worth the +100€ premium.
Thanks for the effort!

>>106982596
My case is very similar to your old one. I do however want optical drives. My public library has 200k dvds/bds for 10€/year plus my personal collection and I need to keep dabbing on the streamer-chuds

>>106982542
What psu/mobo combo do you have?
There are ways to check but I only know separate tools that you plug the psu power cables into and it measures and compares to what should be.

Q27G3XMN for 240 GBP, yes or nah? Better alternatives? Im in UK. Is black smearing noticeable in this monitor?
1440p, around 1440hz and I want the best image quality for immersion and shit, dont care about other fps gamer memes

>>106983136
KTC M27T6 if it's available.

>>106979377 (OP)
kill yourself nicotroon

>>106983223
Seething + rent free

>>106983015
corsair rm1000x shift psu
aorus x870 wifi 7 ice mobo

the weird thing is - it only happens when i play League of Legends (i know its a dogshit game, my friends like to play it) which confuses me because its not very intensive.
I just ran battlefield 6 for over an hour, every setting maxed out, 4k - not a single crash or any issue whatsoever.
when playing league, my pc isnt stressed at all, so its not like its overheating and cutting out, it just instantly powers off. But appears to leave the 5v rail active as the RAM led and power switch stay lit up. Very odd.

>>106983409
Is it the Kernel-level anti-cheat?

Want a new monitor.
Not gonna get anything with OLED, cause it's too expensive for me.
27 inch QHD resolution, or maybe 4K? Does down scaling worsen the image quality as much as it did in the past?

Question is whether it's gonna be a VA or IPS panel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TElIJcuXl7o

Right one feels sharper, but has noticeable less contrast, the black/dark parts are too bright.
Meanwhile the VA panel feels a bit washed out, but best contrast.

KTC displays in general are good, right? Any other secret Chinese monitor brands?

niconigger telling anyone else they're seething is so funny considering he got a vacation not too far back from crashing out

>>106983409
check pbo. it can cause instability under medium load, low voltage scenarios while being fine high load, high voltage because its hitting another limit or whatnot.

>>106983343
you need to be institutionalized

Should I just give up on waiting for prices to go down and get the 5090?

>>106983585
i was thinking that. havent found anything online about it causing crashes and i have played league for several hours on this pc with no issues, both inbetween when the crashing started and before.

>>106983655
whats pbo sorry

>>106983739
>whats pbo sorry
its a built in "overclock" for amd cpu

>>106983739
precision boots overdrive, specifically curve optimizer. i assume gigabyte automatically does like -20 or something. but you can check with ryzen master or in bios.

EXCITING NEW NEWS

Intel Core Ultra 200S Plus “Arrow Lake Refresh”

Ultra 9 290K Plus

Ultra 7 270K Plus

>>106983839
>Rumor assessment
kek

>>106983136
I have been tempted to get a VR headset so that I could use AI to convert movies to 3d and watch in VR, and maybe goon.
I think the quest 3s headset is perfectly fine for this task, it's the cheapest option. But I think that the bigscreen beyond 2 (+requires controllers and stations) or Pimax Crystal is better but you are paying 4x more vs logging into facebook in your VR headset (I would only go for the better headset if you have a crazy gaming rig and you have a large area to move around).

>>106983623
The KTC VA miniLED is one of the better 1440p LCD monitors you can get.
MSI's competing VA miniLED is a bit of a letdown unfortunately.
TITAN ARMY P275MS+ (1440p Fast IPS miniLED) is supposedly the best 1440p miniLED monitor according to this JP reviewer.
https://chimolog-co.translate.goog/titan-army-p275ms-plus/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://chimolog-co.translate.goog/bto-gaming-monitor-wqhd/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp#best-wqhd-5

Availability is the issue with that Titan Army monitor, and they only offer a 1-year warranty. Worthless if you buy it from Alibaba or some other unauthorized retailers.

>>106983722
Yes. Also consider splitting it into payments with klarna

>>106982542
>>106983409
if you have some third party control program installed (like the dogshit ai suite from asus) make sure it does not have some dumb ass settings enabled
i could not figure out what blue screened my pc over and over until i found out there was some noise reduction bullshit enabled which prevented my cpu fans from spinning up fast enough which was causing my cpu to overheat when launching games
pictured me announcing total ai suite death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUnedjDOCmY

Damn, what's that nasty bloom effect on the IPS display?

Is it the case with all IPS monitor?

>>106983947
Only on current-gen MiniLED-IPS. Normal IPS that don't have dimming zones and therefore don't exhibit this issue. Also keep in mind you can turn local dimming off and the blooming goes away on these panels so it depends on the content you watch.

>>106983947
Cameras exaggerate it, but you can't eliminate IPS haloing/blooming.
Just like VA will always show a bit of ghosting.

>>106983947
thats the contrast thing and happens in dark rooms on all standard ips

i accidentally created the ultimate undervolt stability test.

launch cyberpunk at 720p or 1080p uncapped fps while streaming to a handheld or phone. the cores + nvenc need a certain amount of voltage to work together or the whole card dies before you hit the menu because for some reason cyberpunk puts super load on both while during the logos.

Think I can get away with cooling a 14700K with a NH-U12S? Would use a TG contact frame obviously. Primarily for gaming.

>>106979377 (OP)
>all ayymd
When did this thread become a pajeet shilling thread?

>>106984039
No, go buy an aio

>>106984043
about a week ago a mentally ill anon took upon xerself to further their shilling by jump starting new threads with shitty ops

>>106984039
it would probably be fine in gaming
but like the other anon said just get an AIO, they're not expensive, you don't need RGB or a stupid LCD screen

cheapest aio with a little lcd screen on it to display cpu/gpu temp?
im not one for aesthetics but i find that cool
cool... hehe, get it? cause its a cooler?

>>106984045
>>106984061
Probably wise, I suppose. I'm limited to 240 up top or 360 in the front, and I'd really rather not front-mount a rad, so hopefully 240 is fine.
Anyone have firsthand experience with the Arctic LF3 Pro? Seems like the most solid option to me since it comes with its own frame, but I wonder if a different cooler with the TG frame would be just as good if not better.

>>106984089
>Anyone have firsthand experience with the Arctic LF3 Pro?
i have a 14700K on the LF3 pro 360
temps are very reasonable, 50-60C while gaming and ~70-75C in all core loads
but it's undervolted, i've never run this CPU at stock settings
my guess is that it would run quite a bit hotter in games at stock settings and the same in all core loads since it would hit the 250W power limit in either scenario

>>106984070
Thermalright Core Vision.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DK3JS5QT

>>106984043
There's an amd fanboy who's on here quite a bit, and by virtue of being here the most I guess he controls the op now.
He's also a 20 year troon who works as a tard wrangler for <$15 an hour, we know this because he's randomly posting personal details in a desperate cry for help.

>>106984089
I don't recommend the NH-U12S, even the G1 NH-D15 thermally throttles the 14700K in maximum multicore loads.
The 240mm top is already better than any air cooler, I'd get the 240mm Nautilus for the top. This cooling is good enough for gaming.
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/cpu-coolers/cw-9060088-ww/nautilus-240-rs-liquid-cpu-cooler-cw-9060088-ww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHCPsM5ECw

getting my g80sd oled to stop nagging about a eu power warnings sure took a while.......

theres smartthings app you can use on android, requires you to make samsung acc, obviously how else would you change a setting on your monitor. Well apparently they removed the option to get into service menu with it.
You can order a service remote online.
Luckily theres a free option of "colorcontrol" app which did work but its a bit wonky. The monitor doesnt like to give permissions to it for a long time and if it doesnt have those the program cant communicate properly. You need to have monitor in same wifi network, find monitor IP and mac address.
And to know which setting it is you have to google reddit for advice.

>Menu opens
>scroll to ‚FMS‘ (press ENTER)
>one Entry ‚FMS‘ appears (press ENTER)
>‚Factory App Menu‘ appears (press ENTER)
>scroll to ‚Option‘ (press Enter)
>scroll to ‚Production Option‘ (press Enter)
>scroll to : com.samsung/featureconf/setting.eu_energy_regulation
>press ENTER to change from ‚TRUE‘ TO ‚FALSE‘
>Start TV new by pressing ON/OFF

its stressful.

>>106982463
>I want to make sure I future proof it a bit
Too fucking bad, eat shit.

>>106984039
Did you win the 14700k in like a sweepstakes or something?

>>106984089
>>106984118
oh yeah and i don't even run the fans at 100% so if you're fine with the noise a 240mm AIO should have more than enough headroom
14th gen consumes a lot of power but it's also easier to cool per watt than AM5 equivalents
>>106984226
everyone did, it's <$300 after the degradation scare
it's reasonable that you would try to reuse your old cooler when you can get an entire platform upgrade for $450

>>106984123
Thank you anon i thought those screens might only start on really expensive ones

>>106984043
nicotroon is having a bad week after the card he pretends to have 7900XTX was downgraded to 1080p gaming with the latest releases

>>106983136
I bought it like two months ago. Never noticed any smearing but then again Im not clinicaly autistic nor am I pixel hunting or comparing a-b screenshots. During normal use its completely fine, local dimming improves already great contrast, no real complaints.

Stand and OSD controls are trash. For 240 good boy points its totally worth it.

Above poster belongs in a psych ward btw

64gb of ram are a meme

>106984297
>>106984314

>>106984297
>outer worlds 2
jesus they made a sequel to that crap? I dropped it after an hour or so, after I realized the game was just packing my ship with space lesbians so I could help them with their relationship issues. Even the ship itself was in love with the previous owner.

>>106984176
Makes sense. Only reason i wanted to see if I could get away with the NH-U12S is because I already have one.
>>106984118
>>106984275
Thanks! This is super valuable. I was also gonna be looking at undervolting it, certainly won't be overclocking it that's for sure. What UV settings are you running, if you don't mind me asking?

>>106984305
whats the dimensions of the box? Can you measure it please :3

>>106984329
>but what about the other schizos huh??? :) i am very smart and non-biased
Yeah none of them are on the level of the single amd schizo

And this is just the op he makes, you also have to factor in him having a troon meltdown every time someone else starts the thread.

>>106984357
Im not climbing into the attic just for that breh. Its the size of the screen plus 10 cm in every direction. Like 70x50x20

I don't own 7900 XTX you dumbfuck newfag. I warned everyone ITT not to buy RDNA 3 even for multiple reasons that all came true.

>>106984275
Use case for 28 threads on ‘primarily gaming’ pc?

>>106984356
NTA, but most 13/14th gen CPUs can probably handle a -0.050 ~ -0.080 adaptive offset.
You can also set lower PL1/PL2 power limits like 180/180, 180/200, or 200/200W.
There shouldn't be any gaming performance loss if the CPU is undervolted (and stable).
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/power-draw-and-cooling-14th-gen-intel-core-processors/

>pretends he didnt shill for RDNA 3
>shills RDNA4 that is just as garbage because he bought a trash card

>>106984424
>pretends he didnt shill for RDNA 3
He really didn't; he was in the wait™ for RDNA4 gang.
He was acting far more reasonably before he bought the 9070 XT.
You know RDNA3 is a trash heap when even Nicoposter had the mental clarity to avoid it.

>>106983653
i would crashout too if AMD came out and told everyone that the garbage i bought its gonna age terriblle

>>106984401
>PCIE 3.0

>>106984474
>1% perfomance loss
Oh no

>>106984356
>What UV settings are you running, if you don't mind me asking?
-175mv core, -100mv ring, 56x ratio limit on all P-cores, 44x ratio limit on all E-cores, 50x ring limit
but the offsets that will be stable on your setup depend A LOT on how you or your motherboard have configured settings like LLC, AC LL, TVB voltage optimizations, CEP, etc
in particular many people try to "cheat" by setting AC LL lower than their VRM LL
i wouldn't recommend this, it makes your undervolt less predictable and harder to stabilize, just run higher AC LL with more adaptive offset
>>106984402
it's nice to have a lot of cores available, you can see it's compiling linux in that screenshot
a computer that can only play games is called a playstation
but if you really don't care about thread count at all you would get a 14600K, that's the one i would shill to most people
>>106984407
>NTA, but most 13/14th gen CPUs can probably handle a -0.050 ~ -0.080 adaptive offset
-50mv is basically within intel spec since that's the maximum voltage TVB can remove at low temperatures
i don't know how good my sample is since ASUS hates poor people (no SP score) but if i lock all cores to 56x with 0.01 AC LL it runs at 1.408 V
so it seems to be a completely average 14700K at least according to intel's binning
14600K would potentially have even more headroom, 14900K would have less

>>106984494
You're still on am4 or 10th gen or something is the issue

>>106981630
>re paste your GPU every year
>tricking newfriends into voiding their warranty
Devious, I'm not sure this is action becoming of an Avatar.

>>106982342
Wait for black friday sales in a few weeks.

>>106984407
>>106984512
Thanks bros

>waiting for sales for gpu and second SSD
>got too antsy and built motherboard without them anyway
>can’t decide whether to just finish building it or leave it half assembled on a table for three weeks

>>106984781
>Still waiting™ for SSD sales, in this hysterical market.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/adata/ram-ssd-price-rises-warned

>>106984039
the cpu that overheats when its hot out? good luck

>>106984845
Fuck…
Every single aibro needs to fucking die.
Maybe a 5080 is good enough…UGH…

>>106984975
Most likely happened on systems with older BIOS or the CPUs had already started to degrade.
Let us know when it happens to brand new CPUs on the latest microcode.

>>106984469
>amd don't innovate
>amd innovate
>amd aren't magicians who can cast magic spells and turn old technology new!
You're such a disingenuous retard it hurts to read your cringeposting.

>>106985084
RX 9070 will age worse than the RTX 5070 just like the 5700xt aged worse than the 2070 or even 2060

>>106980646
>XG27AQWMG

What’s the point of even having an MSRP?

>>106984781
you're making a huge mistake waiting. Well, at least you already bought your ram, those prices are INSANE right now. I need to go check what i paid for my ram late last year.

Looking to buy a 2TB drive but I'm having doubts over what to pick.

Can anyone explain what's the 'layers' column supposed to mean? Does higher mean better?
There's no explanation on that SSD doc.

help

>>106985238
Crucial T710

>>106985231
>>106984781
damn, just checked the same/similar models to the ram sticks i bought before, late last year, one is literally double the price, the other is 50% more. Waow.

>buy rtx 3060 12gb
>resell 2 years later for 130% of the price
>buy 5700x3d
>resell 1 year later for 150% of the price
>buy a bunch of HDDs
>decide digital hoarding is retarded, keep just one, resell others 3 years later for 150% of the price
damn maybe I should buy stonks

>>106985238
SSD buying guide:
1. avoid QLC
2. make sure the performance after initial buffer gets exhausted is still decent; in practice anything above 1 GB/s is fine, which is most drives, just avoid stinkers that do like 300 MB/s
if it's a laptop also make sure it's a single-sided SSD, if it's a desktop then whatever. most newish drives are single-sided.

>>106985238
>Can anyone explain what's the 'layers' column supposed to mean?
it's irrelevant to the drive's performance, it's just how the memory chips are fabbed (usually moar layers = newer chip)

When the ai bubble pops I will scour every corporate auction for their trash like a raccoon.

>>106985336
tf would you even do with a B200 gpu? it doesn't even do graphics, all it's useful for is math so ai slop, simulations etc but not what normal people use
both hdds and ssds will be bought up by hyperscalers
which leaves... idk, AI feet pics?

>>106985357
I'm sure they have gamer gpus in there somewhere.

https://newatlas.com/materials/retina-e-paper/
Goodbye oled
Goodbye microled
Hello retina epaper and metapixels

frankly if you have less than 96 GB vram then you should probably buy a switch

>>106985371
the human eye can't see more than 768mb of vram

>>106985336
Personally? I'll be stocking up on leap v2s/aerons and whatever other trendy overpriced ergo chairs startup types buy.

>>106985257
T700 is 50€ cheaper in my cunt, and has similar performance.

Bump

Bro what the fuck are these schizos making these retarded threads.
Anyway reposting in real thread :
Looking for a white case with a glass side panel, stock argb fans and below 100€.
I was set on the 4000D Frame but I was looking around and the Phanteks XT Pro Ultra is looking clean too. It has one exhaust fan which the Corsair doesn't have and the fans are 140mm instead of 120mm. All for the same price as the Corsair.
What do you think? Or is there maybe a cheaper alternative?

>>106985960
>>106985991

>>106986009
Thanks for the input, will probably go for the Phanteks now.
Do you have any info about build quality for both cases?

Alright everyone lets go ahead and migrate to the real thread :
>>106979878
>>106979878
>>106979878

Has anyone boughted the new masterframe series? Do you like it? Thinking about grabbing the silver 600.

>>106986131
How about you kill yourself. I'm not using the nvidia intel version of nicotroons thread that has a flamewar chart as the OP pic

>>106986045
They're serviceable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bzFAxj-PAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pebLvILHwVI

Fractal Meshify 3 has better fans, they nearly match Noctua's new G2 fans.
But you're going to pay for those fans, and the top panel can only fit a 280mm radiator.

>>106981745
>I have no compressed air access nor the will to go to the hardware store and buy a can

>>106982397
>Remember to run a debloater after install to remove a bunch of the superfluous shit
I've seen lots of these things shilled. Doing research on them they always removed stuff that ends up borking your pc in some way or were shady themselves. I have yet to see someone post an example that looked trustworthy.

>>106986214
Thanks, nice 4000D Frame review.

>>106986289
the one i used removed all the shit and i mean everything
it also can switch the position of some stuff so it looks and feels like w10
https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat
Thats the one i used on this pc and on my friends and seriously couldnt be happier
Had so many options basically before removing any group of shitty apps or making any change to layouts and shit it will ask you so you can skip that step if so you want
You do you anon but i would recommend this point blank to anybody

>audio suddenly develops rhythmic electrical pops
>think it's a spotify issue, try youtube and local audio files
>still there
>restart PC because how the fuck should I know what's wrong here
>PC doesn't boot back up
>shows that "-" sign in upper left corner and that's it, it's just stuck on a black screen and I can't even get to BIOS
>restart PC again, maybe it's just some odd hang up
>same shit happens
>it's over, motherboard must be fucked
>unplug PC completely off the grid because I'm crashing out
>enter bargaining phase some time later, plug everything back in and hope for a miracle
>PC boots into Windows with no issues
As long as it works I guess...

Concise GPU and CPU guide for newfags
>Intel + Nvidia = Faggot Normie Consoomer or Indian
>Ryzen + Nvidia = Reddit
>Intel + Arc = Brain Damage
>Ryzen + Arc = Schizo
>Intel + Radeon = Schizo
>Ryzen + Radeon = Real PC Enthusiast #Pewdiepie approved

VA mini led or IPS mini led?

>>106986180
Why not, you already are posting in a thread with a flamewar op, what difference does it make if it's green instead of red?

>>106986449
VA because ips kind of rapes the entire point of mini led
>muh smearing
borderline nonexistent even on budget va panels now

>>106986432
Anyone who does anything besides games will go with intel + nvidia.

It's not like the core ultras are total junk for gaming either.

Completed it on AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT

>>106986430
that happened to me a couple times. iv narrowed the problem down to a chink shit usb hub.

>>106986432
>ryzen + radeon + bathtub HRT = real PC enthusiast #nicotroon approved

>>106986489
Story was very meh and a nothingburger but gameplay and missions themselves were fun. The worst thing was the super annoying VRAM memory leak they still have not patched so I had to keep restarting the game after every mission.
7.5/10 overall

>>106986432
so true sister, you tell them. You're making a difference

>>106986491
Forgot to say that the audio is fixed after the reboot too. It could be it since I use an USB AMP/DAC for audio.
That would mean the USB controller on the mobo is acting up? Idk, personally I think this has something to do with the way Windows handles shutdowns, just because I press close doesn't mean the PC is actually off. Just needs a proper "no more power in the grid" shut down once in a while, at least that's what I think.

>>106986430
>>106986491
>>106986548
Plugging in my Razer Opus X headphones to charge over USB-A to USB-C cable causes this exact behavior on reboot. It's definitely caused by some wacky USB device acting up.
The Opus X doesn't even have audio over usb-c btw, it's just a charging port...

>>106979619
3060 with its hdmi 2.1 is great if youget one cheap and youre building dedicated media pc

>>106986548
mine were persistent through bios changes and booting into linux. maybe different problems but the "-" and needing to be pulled from the wall until the main cap was discharged is the same.

>>106986569
I did get a new drawing tablet recently, but I've had it for a week now so why would it do that now? Guess I'll just unplug it every time it's not in use. Also no errors in device manager either.

So Im between two pcs which one do you find best?

PC 1 840$ -
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
AMD Radeon Asrock 7800XT steel legend OC 16GB
RAM: 32Gb G.Skill DDR4 3600MHz
Dedicated Audio card

or
PC 2 1000$ -
CPU: 5700X3d
GeForce® RTX 5070 Gaming Triple Fan OC 12GB GDDR7 DLSS4
Team Group 32GB DDR4 (2 x 16GB) 3200MHz Delta RGB Black CL16

Is DLSS that big of a deal for future proofing? Will paying 100 bucks more benefit me in the long run

I think I'll pull the trigger before it's too late.

>>106986277
i've used a soft-bristled paintbrush for many years now with no issues. I started using one after i short-circuted an old pcs ram with a "non-conductive" electrical cleaning spray, that 100% conducted something even while the pc was off for hours afterwards. I was recommended this by an alcoholic IT guy i know irl, who admitted he'd been cleaning dust from pcs with a random paintbrush for his entire career with no problems.

>>106986732
Definitely number 2
>DLSS that big of a deal
Oh yeah it's a huge deal, you're going to see transformer model and finally understand why people have been "shilling" nvidia. You don't want to be stuck with fsr1/2/3

>>106986781
New thread
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>>106986432
>Intel + Arc = Brain Damage
oh come on, be fair anon, thats clearly "Poorfaggot" status.

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>>106986732
dedicated audio cards are honestly a total meme unless you're into editing or music stuff. So yeah, you'll get better performance out of the 5070 machine and the price difference is minimal, its an easy choice.

>>106986732
Seconding what >>106986772 said - I wasn't an upscaling believer until I tried DLSS4 Transformer Model.
My favorite example is Oblivion Remastered on the 5070. All settings at High including Hardware Lumen. Native 1440p? 50-60 ish fps. DLSS Quality? 80+ FPS. 2x FrameGen? 144+ FPS. All with a minimal loss in image quality. DLSS + FG can be a magic "triple your FPS for free" button in some games.

>>106986770
There is nothing wrong with that really.
People freak about ESD but it would otherwise be 100% ok if the PC was still plugged in.

why are you so retarded with opening new threads?

>>106986910
mine was made first. the other is sour grapes

>>106986910
I'm just trying to create a new thread with no brand warring this time
>>106986781
>>106986781
>>106986781

above is spam duplicate trying to divide and wreck the general with a concern troll about non existent brand warring
real thread
>>106986685
>>106986685
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>>106986998
Please ignore and report all brand warring threads, here's the real one :)
>>106986781
>>106986781
>>106986781

ignore above and report for spamming/flooding
real next created first
>>106986685
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>>106986685

>my workplace is doing their new pc buying round and replacing equipment
>it's a megacorp so there's some sweet deals but it's mostly available at prices above market rate
>bag a bunch of insanely expensive thunderbolt 4 docking stations for under 20 bucks

I literally cannot hold all these monitor cables.

>>106987028
no im the real op, god promised that I could start it this time. see how I posted mine first in this thread
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>>106986781

his thread was made over 5 minutes after my next was created
ignore and report for spam
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>>106986835
>>106986832
i do music stuff yeah but i dont think i would need it either way desu. I do use linux though wouldnt that make the amd pc more preferrable or does it not matter anymore?

>>106987017
>ignore and report all brand warring threads,
>my thread is the real one guys no brand warring!!!
>removed all AMD cards and literally all mentions of them except shitty 9060 XT 8GB for some reason
>recommending turing in 2025
I think you and the AMD tard should both kill yourselves. How hard is it to just list all the current products from BOTH vendors with no gay commentary.

>>106987104
That would be a long ass list though, don't even think that would fit into 2000 characters

>Four separate /pcbg/ on /g/'s front page
>They're all trash

>>106987130
We need more!

>>106987130
Brandfags are literal subhumans that's why

>>106987130
Go ahead and bake another one, we could all just use them like social media profiles!

WHAT IS 4CHAN PAYING THOSE 6 FIGURE SALARIES TO THE JANNIES FOR IF THEY ARENT SORTING THIS SITUATION?

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>>106987156
they get 0 dollars and 0 cents + a pat on the back what are u on about newfag

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ignore the spamming loser and his late duplicate thread
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>>106987169
another anon that fell for the memes and is unaware of 4chan finances
good job Hiro

>>106979377 (OP)
uggghh dual citizen here remote worker here, when I build my pc whenever should I buy everything in the US and fly to my balkan EU country with the parts in my hand luggage and hope the customs guy scowling at the airport exit doesn't stop me in the crowd?

or should I just buy everything in home base with the crazy EU sales tax and premiums?

Assume tariffs throws this decision completely out of whack now.

>>106987296
>Bring case with you (nothing inside)
>build pc in states
>bring back
I fail to see an issue with this plan

>>106986685
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>>106987296
You can try this >>106987316, but make sure everything is securely packed.
I would not install the video card or the CPU cooler in the case; pack them separately.

praying nicofag gets another vacation

I wanted to ask about B850 boards, but I see you are having a moment, pcbg.

>>106987690
Ask away.
General tip, avoid ASRock.
Gigabyte AORUS Elite, MSI Tomahawk, and ASUS TUF are all more than good enough for most PC builders.
Gigabyte Eagle is also okay.

>>106986772
>You don't want to be stuck with fsr1/2/3
rx 7000 can run fsr 4, retard.