Thread 106986781

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

>CPU
Gaming: 14600k, 9600/X
-Budget: 12/13100, 12400, 12600k
-Premium: 14900k, 9800X3D
Workstation: 265K, 285K, 14900K

*Avoid Asrock motherboards on AM5
*Raptor Lake launched with issues that could cause rapid degradation, exercise caution if buying second-hand.

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, MX-4, Duronaut

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (LGA 1700)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, 9060xt 8gb
-Used: 2060 Super, 2070, 2080ti
Midrange: 5060ti 16GB, 5070
-Used: 3080, 3080ti
4k : 5070ti

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: 24" 165/180hz, KTC H25X7
1440p: 27" 180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), Gigabyte MO27Q28G or LG 27GX700A-B (WOLED)
4K: Dell S2725QS, KTC M27P6 (miniLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch. 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.
Nova Lake 2026


>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Benchmarks
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/
https://www.techpowerup.com/

Leave any constructive suggestions for edits to the op

Pic:
https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1ocmlu3/the_5070ti_is_great/

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>>106966278

spam duplicate. real thread
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>>106986855
you're so right sis
>>106986781 (OP)

It's safe to upgrade Ampere bros

spam duplicate real thread
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>>106987065

Basically i need a ryzen 9 9950x or the 9959x3d version and like 64gb of ram but i dont know ANYTHING about mhz, idk what means CL and why must be 6000mhz at cl30 for an amd chip.

For the motherboard i want one top of the line to upgrade later, like having more and more SSD for personal storage, i store a lot of videos and pics and i currrently building a basic nas with old parts, i was thinking in a Asus 870e proart because no LED and a lot of usb c and ssd ports but idk if there is a better model or brand

Graphics card i was thinking on a 7900 xtx or a 9700 xt i dont want nvidia

powersupply idk like 1200 watts?
cooling i want air, like the noctua dh15
i have a pc case big enough to fit all components

so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>>106987175
kek why is this happennig?

>>106987170
then go buy that
the fuck you asking for? you have a chosen cpu, mobo, gpu, and cooler
just pick any 1200 w psu and the ram that you have been told to pick even if your baiting faggot ass doesn't understand the reason for and just build the pc

>>106987199
forgot pic

>>106987198
their mothers took too much tylenol during their pregnancies
many such cases

>>106987201
brother dont be mad, i just want to share and have information and an opinion, its my first high end pc and just asking for opinion.

The last desktop pc i had was like 2009

>>106987175
lol, so fucking based.
>>106987170
as long as the motherboard is good to go you should be fine with 64gb 6000mhz
>cl30
cas latency. 6000mhz cl30 is just the point of diminishing returns with x3d processors
I would definitely go 9070 over 7900, for games there's going to be a massive gap there.

>>106986993
I didn't know Newegg let you trade in parts

>>106987237
thanks man i will take note and adjust my pc list

>>106987170
I'd strongly recommend you get a 280 or 360mm AIO for a 9950X or 9950X3D.
You can pick a dual tower air cooler if you want.
Here is my proposed build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KBpdyW

You may have to learn how to update the board BIOS to make that Creator board work with the 9950X3D.
https://www.asus.com/us/support/faq/1038568/
Creator is a top-end board with a lot of I/O if you need it.

>idk what means CL and why must be 6000mhz at cl30 for an amd chip
It's not a hard rule. Just a recommendation because these DDR5 AMD CPUs are easy to run at the 6000MT/s speed, and they scale better with tighter memory timings (CL30 or under for this speed).
Pic is a portion of AMD's review guideline for their Zen 5 CPUs. Basically 6000MT/s CL30 is the performance & stability sweet spot.

real thread created first that doesn't shill 20 series in 2025 btw
>>106986685
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>>106986685

Go to the other thread it was made first

>>106987270
thanks for the information man, I really appreciate it

>>106987292
He means this one, it was the first thread created
>>106979878

above is a troll thread created early
below is true next PCBG report and ignore all others
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>>106986685
>>106986685

>>106987285
Practice what you preach, let others share their OPs. Are you autistic?

>>106987299
Kek'd

>>106987310
He is correct migrate to the first thread, thems the rules
>>106979878
>>106979878
>>106979878

above is completely insane troll impersonating a former pcbg schizo
real thread
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>>106986685
>>106986685

Public Service Announcement :
FSR4 support still lackluster

Janny wtf are you doing

>>106987757
sad times, tranny-janny preserved the Njudean OP.

>>106987652
PSA: shut the fuck up and stay on reddit where you belong Njudean-goyslave, stop posting screencaps from there.

>janny
WHAT A FUCKING NIGGER

>>106986781 (OP)
Why are prices so volatile, I'm literally watching the 9800X3D jump up and down by £30 either way.
At £399 there's no point in a £345 7800X3D, though the tray AliExpress 7800X3Ds...

>>106987757
you should make a new one
that will teach em

>decent 1440p 27 incher
>200 yuro options by many brands like smasnug, msi, aoc, etc.
>decent 1440p 31.5/32 incher
>N/A
Why? I don't want a crazy expensive 4K monitor (that I don't have the PC for) or a cheap 1080p TV, but those seem like the only options at that size.

Good job man, i hope your Christmas bonus this year reflects the good job you did today

>>106987860
1440p resolution's main attraction is the balance between retaining high fps and the better pixel density than mainstream 1080p monitors.

how the fuck do I get this bracket out

>>106987973
Show an image of the back of the board; you might have to press & push out each of the mounting screws from the back.
The mounting mechanism doesn't look like a stock CPU cooler for that Intel socket.

I wonder if anyone has tried using marshmallow fluff as a thermal putty.

>>106988087
i know toothpaste was used on a benchmark article a while ago and it wasn't that terrible

>get big fuckoff case
>the mobo doesn’t stick out of the back like normal
>bajillion cables in a box instead
>still trying to figure out how to get the monitor wire out of the damn case
Regret

>>106987973
for the stock cooler you rotate the pegs

>>106988029
its the spartan 5 max

would not fit though so I'm just going to use the stock cooler provided I don't break the motherboard getting this off

tfw your pc case is so old it doesn't even have USB-C.

>>106987973
Just pull the pegs from the corners

interested in the lian li Air Mini, bc it supports 280 radiators on the front, and is small enough to fit under my desk ( under 471mm)
Now corsair announced the 4500 which sounds interesting.
Any thoughts? Is there a better case? should I wait? Whats the usual release cycle of pc cases?

>>106987973
>>106988192
Not the exact cooler but same concept

>>106988168
If you can't pull the peg out from the back, remove the green screws from the front first.
The red pegs will be much easier to take out from the back afterwards.

>>106988230
I did--with the bottom 2. the problem is the top two broke off. I guess I'll have to try and pull them out with pliers. thanks for the help

>>106988208
I'd rather mount the 280 radiator to the top of that Lian Li case.
That Air mini's feature is bringing fresh air from the front.

>Corsair 4500
Is it the Frame 4500X? That looks like a larger case.

Wat build for 1080p games? 60hz i guess i dunno. Don't really care as long as it runs well, i mostly play poe 2, wow, tarkov and some indie shit. Will try my hand at streaming eventually too (yeah i know its a waste of time I'm just lonely)
>9600xt 8gb
>ryzen 5 9600x
>32gb ddr5
>whatever air cooler for cpu
>mini atx board i dont have a lot of room
Will it do the job?

>>106988247
you can try pushing the center pin out from the bottom
use something plastic so you dont damage the board

>>106988299
I tried that earlier but it worked this time. guess I needed to apply more force. thanks bros, it's out now.

>>106988255
I meant 5400 sorry. It appeared yesterday in my yt feed. its a new 3 chamber case where the cpu has its own aio radiator chamber.

with the lian li i planned on pulling air from the bottom for the gpu. most of the cases who only have mounts on the side dont support 280 and I have to air comming from the right side since thats where the wall is in my room.

I just found out what a quartz oscillator is
the more i learn
the more i find out
I have no idea how computers actually even work or how they ever invented these machines

>>106988150
what happen

>>106988185
i had a pc so old when I accidentally plugged a usb-c cable into a usb-a port it killed the ancient psu inside it

>>106988472
Now go learn about how they made the first transistor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzy_KOBddRA

>>106988293
Pretty much, here's a sample build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LNkk2x

There's around $100~200 in potential savings. I don't know whether you're fine with a video card with 8GB VRAM.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bRNJJn
There are cheaper PSUs, but the $20 price difference or so isn't worth it imo.
Keep the 2TB SSD, especially if you're getting an mATX board with limited M.2 slots.

>>106988468
I'd probably try that Corsair 5400 case if the reviews are okay.

>>106988486
Nothing it’s just too many cables

>>106988293
>>9600xt 8gb
get the 9060xt 16gb

Cable management is such a pain in the ass. There's like no way to hide the motherboard cable. Should I even care since I don't have a glass panel?

>>106988827
It's not that bad; you did your best.

Why the FUCK is my M2 not showing as bootable drive? It's literally right there in the BIOS GOD FUCKING DAMN IT

>>106988827
you're really going to give 0 intake fans to a 5090 FE?

>>106988887
Some boards require you to change the PCIe mode of the M.2 drive from auto to Gen 4/3/etc. to detect it.
I've read this happening on ASRock boards with WD SSDs more often.

>>106988887
cmd
diskpart list disk
diskpart list volume
that'll tell you what's going on
you can post the results

>>106988601
>xt m3
That case rules. I love smaller, understated cases.

>>106988293
Paying the extra $30 for the Nvidia encoder (Nvenc) on a 5060 is probably worth it if you want to stream. Don't cheap out on MBO too much, you will want something with PCIe 5.0 lanes. As >>106988703 said consider the 16GB version for $80 more or the 16GB 5060ti for $160 extra. [spoiler]I'm not trying to upsell you, i promise, it's just the youtube shills using my fingers.[/spoiler]

>>106988923
It's telling me nothing. I have 2 winshit installs, I'm currently on C but I want disk 0 to be boot, which is bootable, detected, but not in the boot list for priority.

>>106989043
detach all the other drives install windows to the new drive

>>106989083
>detach all the other drives install windows to the new drive
I'd rather kill myself but thanks.

>>106986801
>>News & Rumors

270K Plus and 290K Plus Arrow Lake Refresh!

>>106988895
It's a 5080. Can't find the 5090 FE and nothing else fits. Will fans down there help that much? Figured the card has its own fans for the intake. I have some old noctua f12 I can put there to try I guess.

>>106989163
>News & Rumors

9850X3D - 400MHz boost!
9950X3D2 - Dual cache at last!

Threads dead, why happen?
>>106988293
If the 9060xt isn't below msrp (like nearing 5050 pricing/$250) you might as well step up to the 5060 (which I'm pretty sure would be better for streaming anyways) or the 16gb model of the 60xt

>>106989163
pls tell me thats some sort of refresh and not literal overclocked intlel ultras

ngl kinda tempted to click it

What the heck happened why are we so dead tonight?

>>106988827
youd get more static pressure if you had intake fans, but you might also try using some foam or cardstock to fashion some air funnels between the heatsink fans and the bottom of the case.

I'd run benches with both solutions because idk what would be ideal for flowthrough vs noise.

>>106989933
They’re probably just factory overclocked Arrow Lake refreshes.
Didn’t even get the next-gen, Ultra 300 product names.

>>106990057
It’s a slow general when the brand warring shitposters are banned.

>>106987243
nicotroon you weren’t supposed to avatarfag when making false flag posts

>>106990057
nico troon and others banned. Also there were 4 different /pcbg/ threads up at the same time.

So nicofag is going to behave and then crashout again in a month? tiring

Is the O11 Air Mini discontinued? Seems to be out of stock everywhere.
Should I just settle for a O11D V2? Or maybe an all mesh box like a Jonsbo D32/Z20?

>>106990457
I'm guessing the Air variant wasn't popular enough to continue making them.
V2 looks nice if you're into that design.
I'd probably choose between the O11D V2 or the D32.

Does the thread being dead since a janny stepped in prove beyond a reasonable doubt 80% of the posts are made by maybe like 3 people and their split personalities?

>>106990594
i disagree

>>106990457
i also wanna go for a small factor build but im looking for something which can have good airflow ,ch 160 plus looks good but im not sure about its airflow , the gpu looks like its going to choke the air coming from the front fan and other cases are whether too big such as phanteks xt m3 , or has bad airflow

>>106990057
Maybe people prefer to use reddit pc building subs where they dont get recced to buy 7900xtx for workstations

>>106990765
RIP onyo chef, I miss him. :(

Kinda regret not getting a 96gb kit for ai sloppa, could get one for real cheap a week ago
oh well 64gb is ‘nuff

>>106990813
he just took a break anon he will be back

>gpus overpriced despite stagnating
>amd going full jew on cpu prices the millisecond they can
>hdd prices doubled
>ssd prices going up instead of down
shit’s getting expensive, yo

>>106987183
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/image/Req1Zuzilo2iQQJbhVBOMw/

I have so many fuckin SSDs what do I even do with those

>>106989669
>power color

>>106991121
Muh NAS
Muh separate system for loadse storage I wont use
PCIe expansion card to hold all of the NVMEs on a single plate

With the brief respite afforded by the jannies can we maybe give this op some updating?
The CPU and GPU segments are garbage

>>106991121
get usb enclosures and make bootable disks

1tb hdd is dying should i upgrade to 2tb ssd?

>>106991570
forgot to mention its external

>>106991617
For semi frequent use yes
For long term storage no

>>106987142

how are numbers at 768p

>>106991764
it's over

>>106987183

its always the power cord anon

>>106991801
That's just pasta.

>>106987270

tf am i reading

memory controller clock to memory clock ratio 1:2 does this have things with 2x32bit why would you want 1:1 i assume this 1x32bit please correct me if wrong

>>106988887

maybe software layer does not detect mbr or efi partition

Well boys, I did it. I panic bought the RAM and NVMe SSD for my upcoming build to avoid further ""price spikes™"" courtesy of hooked noses.

Hope I wont regret my purchase come black friday deals but I still have to be on the lookout for cpu and gpu.

>>106990594

basically yes
throneheads follow but posts are rare

>>106991121

you contemplate of that dream os with amazing gpu support and av-studio project but nothing ever happens

>>106991570

if you need only 300GB why not 29,99. - 500GB

>>106991764

someone posted budget ssd pic on internet they move to next thing maybe monday

>>106991820
You want 1:1 so that memory operations are synchronised with controller operations. That way the controller doesn't have to "wait" for the next clock tick when the memory completes an operation. The bus width/channels don't really affect this.

love amd saar

I want to buy another screen but the stands are super fucking shit, the legs stick out way too far and cant be adjusted properly
Arms are the first option but with minimal depth space i dont know how well they will work
Has anyone used the generic vesa replacement stands?

>>106986781 (OP)
Realistically, how do I choose a cpu fan? Why would I need an AIO for my 9800x3d if it's rated to 120 W when my tower cooler is rated to 240 W? Surely not even OCing will more than double thermal ouput?

>>106991965
you don't need an aio for a 9800x3d, but aios will cool more effectively
excess cooling capacity means quieter and cooler operation
cooler operation means less stress on the component

>>106991948
Arms don't necessarily need a lot of depth

>>106991965
People worry about cooling way too much. CPUs are fine until 90C and GPUs until 80C, with upper throttling limits at 95C and 85C respectively.
If it's running hot just blow the fan harder.

>>106991948
Wall mount. Clean desk space and maximum depth utilisation.

>>106991965
I feel like AIOs can improve general airflow through a case since it removes a large obstruction/turbulence creator in the middle. Then you can just have flow in just one direction.

>>106991849
just panic bought an ssd, had to settle for a tb less than I wanted thanks to AIkikes

>everyone buying SSDs
shit, do I buy a second 2TB 990 Evo Plus? my PC already has one as bootdrive + a 980 for misc storage and games

component prices are going to be extremely cheap in 5 years
All that AI investment was used to build up energy and AI farms, but the demand wont go up infinitely for all providers. The ai chip demand will go way down, and what do those tsmc fabs gonna do? gpus for gamers

>component prices are going to be extremely cheap in 5 years
>All that AI investment was used to build up energy and AI farms, but the demand wont go up infinitely for all providers. The ai chip demand will go way down, and what do those tsmc fabs gonna do? gpus for gamers

wowzers

>>106992108
Means jack fuck if I want to upgrade this year now doesnt it nostradamus.

>>106992153
and what component is expensive now, relative to the past?

>>106992189
RAM.

But feel free to post some "adjusted for inflations" graphs to prove me wrong schlomo.

>>106992054
get a job

>>106992212
No.

>>106992208
there seems to be slight increase past week, probably related to ai demand but 30€ higher ram price isnt going to stop you from building a pc now

>>106992232
No, but it seems silly that Ive been out of the PC building game for years and now that I want to slap together cookie cutter gaming machine everything starts to get more expensive by the day because AI. Its not about 30-50 bucks more for ram, its about the principle. Shit fucked up GPU prices exactly like this and now look where we are.

Thoughts on this $750 poverty build? I'm trying to go for 1080p 60 fps high settings on modern slop. Also I'm planning on installing bazzite and treat it like a steam machine, am I on the right path? am I stupid? should I just buy it and stop waiting for everything to go up in prices?

>>106992366
>1080p 60 fps high settings on modern slop
thats like 4090 or 5080 minimum

is an MSI Gaming Trio OC the best bang for my buck as far as 5090s go? everything cheaper than $2500 is out of stock and I really dont know when at MSRP priced cards will return to stock.

>>106992108
Nah, whoever’s still alive will be like Amazon in 2001, stock in the tank but still buying up all the GPUs they can find.

>>106992366
Really depends on local prices. What other video cards are available around that price? Also, how much does Intel 12th gen go for in your country, 12600KF specifically? Finally, it's probably not worth the savings to get unmatched RAM.

>>106992366
seems fine, I don't know much about bazzite but I guess AMD is the way to go at least

Fuck this. I’m not paying over MSRP for a GPU. I don’t care if I have to wait 3+ years for this stupid bubble to pop.

>>106992366
Get a second hand GPU. You can get a 6900 XT for this price on Marketplace.
>1080p 60 fps high settings
1080p60 is literally the same as 1440p120, just without upscaling and framegen. Actually it might even be more demanding lmao, DLSS Balanced at 1440p is 825p or so...

>>106992366
>1080p 60 fps high settings on modern slop
Hahahahahaha

>>106992366
>>106992602
>>106992626
>muh fps
I’m so glad that I’m apparently blind or something and genuinely can’t see any difference past 30fps.

>>106992706
Hey, a friend of mine is like that and got an i7-11700k + RTX 3070 build back in 2021 or so, just to play everything at like ~900p windowed and capped to 30 FPS. Allows him to play 2025 games at high settings without worrying about DLSS or FrameGen or even 1080p60.

>>106992706
The difference between 30 and 60 fps is pretty massive, it's like getting to the nyquist frequency for the human eye.

Is asrock still killing cpus?

>>106990594
Yeah but that's every general on every board. I don't nicotroon and nvidiajeet but when they start threadsplitting and spamming endless GO USE MY THREAD NO GO USE MINE they all have to go

>>106991944
It's over for AMDjeets

upgrading from a GTX 1080 to a 9070 XT.
will it do numbers?

>>106992144
>supplied by: Other
Amazonbaba strikes again

>>106992864
lol no

>>106992864
i think it can play mp4

upgrading from your mom to your dad .
will this effect the banana economy ?

>>106992864
>going from no ray tracing to no ray tracing
may as well just get a 1080TI

>>106992864
Any Radeon GPU is basically a GTX 1080 Ti Ti Ti Ti etc. etc. etc., no matter how powerful, because it doesn't support DLSS, just like the 10-series.

>>106992919
>AMD doesn't support DLSS
How can they be so based?
Native or nothing babeee

>>106992866
it came straight from the fulfillment center in woodburn lol.

>>106992927
You need 4090+ power to play at native 1080p and no Radeon has that.
>inb4 "my 9060 XT handles [insert easy game to run here] at native 1440p even!"
I mean real games not esports bullshit with system requirements like a 2014 AAA game.

>>106992366
I have currently a very similar build but with a 3060TI (5600x 16gb ram blablabla) and i play most shit at 1080@60fps without much trouble, most games with settings maxed or close to maxed.
The lynchpin is the gpu, do you have any other options at similar prices?
What i mean to say is that if you can scrunge up any extra money it should go towards a better gpu, the rest of the computer you are buying is on a dead platform (am4) so its not like you will ever upgrade it (cause there isn't a lot above what you are getting) so there is no reason to spend more money there, however the gpu you can just remove it and pluck it in the next computer, but again, its all about money.
Picrel shows your 5600 being able to move stuff with better gpus
Also check the 2nd hand market there might have been a lot of people moving to am5 and that might want to sell their older 5600x 5700x3d 5800x3d
Best of luck chile bro, any question let me know

>>106992946
>he doesn't buy new hardware for the sole purpose of making old games that already ran well run better.

not a real gamer.

>>106992864
The 1080 was a fantastic gpu, not the absolute goat that was the TI version but solid
However yes going to a fucking 9070xt will do numbers

>>106992366
Even at poverty tier there's just no point whatsoever going am4 on a new build, something like ryzen 7600 is probably about as expensive as 5600 (or you can get one of those funky ryzen 7400F which have cut down traces but you probably won't need them on a poverty build). You're left with a much better platform. RAM price is largely the same between DDR4 and DDR5, mobo is a bit more expensive but deals can be had now and then.
GPU... idk shit's fucked, I'd probably try to get as good as you can second-hand with what you have (also applies to RAM desu, 2x 16GB should be dirt cheap from somebody upgrading)
>1tb ssd almost $100
wot in tarnation

>>106990594
on every 300 posts thread i would say that about 10 or so are mine
i post a lot of meme replies but i try to help on my limited expertise
but there are people probably posting 50replies and arguing with themselves to drive the posts to limit so they can post their next bullshit, that had to go

>>106992786
I want to know as well

>>106992786
>>106992786

https://old.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1oe12nh/3_month_old_9950x3d_just_died_on_an_x870_pro_rs/

Yes

>>106993134
Thank you.

Wait a second, if you absolutely crank the graphics settings to the max the core ultras are better? Why didn't hardware unboxed warn me of this.

>>106993134
werks on my machine
>R5 9600
>AssRock B650M-H/M.2+

>>106993215
AMSteve is as dishonest as they get

>>106993215
>DDR5-8000
Given the optimization shitshow that is TW:W it's probably this. Though maybe there's some graphics setting that scales on nT performance where the 265k has a clear advantage.

>>106992946
What’s a “real game”, only the most poorly unoptimized unrealslop imaginable? Black myth wukong?
If a 3090 can’t run it at 240fps it’s the developer’s fault. I’m not paying extra for lazy vibe coders to not optimize their shit.

>>106993217
>werks on my machine
for now

>>106991376
I'm adding the 9070xt back if I bake the next thread, which I probably will because clearly no one other than me or nico troon are interested in doing so.
Other than that I stand by and see no issue with the rest of the lists

>>106991376
do you have any suggestions?

nvidia UPSCALED you

>>106992903
it does the gaytracing what are you on about

>>106993395
>not RTX
>can't RT(X)
simple ass

>>106993395
Path tracing is the benchmark now

>>106993410
name three games with path tracing
I only know of two - Cyberpunk and Indiana Jones

>>106993278
>S2725QS
Get rid of this monitor, it's purely for productivity.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/s2725qs#test_23015

People who are looking for 4K monitors will generally do the research themselves.
The 4K IPS monitors are all overpriced atm.

>>106993430
Wukong, FPC, Doom TDA

>>106993448
>uncracked
>no idea what that is
>uncracked
it's over for us piracybros who want to bench test our GPUs

shant be gaytracing upscaling or fake framing

>>106993403
it does the RT without the X, xir, my GPU is not gay

>>106993488
>has to buy a 5090 to play at 1080p60
sad!

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>>106993544
>max settings
being retarded is hard i bet

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t3q6GJ

Is this an okay build? My use case is low-end gaming at 1440p and not needing to change anything for a long time, also to get a Windows 11 compatible PC because win 10 support ended recently.
it'd be nice to be able to do other stuff also, but I don't have any specific usecases.

>>106993572
Looks good to me. That cooler is overkill for a 65W 6 core Ryzen 5 though.

>>106993595
I panicked seeing the price until I realised it was in monopoly money, it looks fine, as the other Anon said, you don't need an AIO for a 65w part.

Oh my god that's actual dollars not CAD

Guys im between these two pcs at the same price of 1k. One is AM4 but with a better gpu and the other is am5 with a slightly worse gpu which one should I pick?

https://www.globaldata.pt/computador-aura-gamer-pc-ryzen-7-5700x3d-32gb-ddr4-1tb-rtx-5070-wifi-w11-ar5gmr-r71tn57ww I found this used for 1k

https://www.globaldata.pt/computador-aura-gamer-pc-ryzen-5-7500f-32gb-ddr5-1tb-rx-9060-xt-16gb-wifi-w11-ar5gmr-r51ta96x2ww
Or I could go with this one for 1k as well but on am5 and slightly worse gpu

help i cant fucking decide whats best

>>106993572
United States or Canada?

>>106993572
PSU is a touch weaker than I'd want at this budget but the overall concept is solid.

>>106993614
If you're outside of the US please give a local PCPP link or tell us what country you're in. No point critiquing on price/value if all the prices are wrong.

>>106993625
the third option: you build a computer yourself with the parts you actually want

>>106993625
Of the two I would do 5070 + x3d
Preferably you just build something

>>106993625
If you plan to keep them for a few years then get a whole new PC, the CPUs are functionally the same.

>>106993572
how in the fuck is a 5060TI 820$ that card should be 550 or so at worst
For that price you should be able to get a bottom tier 5070 TI or a decent 5070
Rest is ok, anons ahve already mentioned the cooler but a decent air cooler will be not that much cheaper, if you want an aio for aesthetic reasons (and a bit of extra cooling) might as well since the one you picked is pretty cheap

>>106993639
>>106993650
Building it for 1k would probably leave me with something just like the 9060 pc.

Hey anons, so I built my first PC, but I just heard from my friend that apparently its better to have a drive exclusive for the OS because whenever I replace a part of the PC I have to do a Windows Clean Install again, is this true? What components apply to this?

>>106993667
just the motherboard

>>106993625
for gaming right now the first one will have a little more oomph, but that means staying on am4 with no possibility of upgrading in the future
bottom one is probably ever so slightly less powerful but if in two years you can get a cheap new cpu from whatever source you can just put it there
Would you be comfortable building your own if you got a list?

>>106993667
It's "better" but too much hassle compared to having one huge drive and partitioning it into C for Cystem and D for Data. Probably not worth it, just get one 2TB+ SSD and call it.

>>106993667
the motherboard is the only one that would require a reinstall
if you have limited storage just keep the OS and whatever programs/games you use on your fastest drive and keep an older drive to store your weird porn

>>106993667
No, the only hardware I can see that being logical for is the motherboard.
Having a drive exclusive for OS makes sense if you have a low capacity drive, but I don't see why you would when you can buy a 2TB SSD and partition.
when SSDS at 256gb were common, this made more sense.

>>106993572
At $350, surely the 9060 XT 16GB is the better choice?

>>106993709
I would be comfortable yeah but getting the parts locally from my country will probably leave me at a 50 dollar difference from the ones i listed.

Which one do you think is best? I use linux but i think nvidia isnt much of a hassle as it is portrayed to be. Maybe I even skip the whole am5 gen too and juice the 5070 up until am6 maybe? idk really

>>106993544
>Hello, What is our thoughts on this?
Stop posting stale articles. That benchmark was published in Apr 25th, 2025.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/clair-obscur-expedition-33-performance-benchmark/8.html

Expedition 33's had too many performance & stability fixes to list, including a memory leak.
>Fixed stability issues after extended play sessions
https://steamdb.info/patchnotes/18793516/
https://steamdb.info/app/1903340/patchnotes/

>>106993752
not him but just do the x3d if you can't build

>>106986781 (OP)
Which of these two AMD CPUs should I buy, the Ryzen 5 9600X or the Ryzen 7 7700? 7700 is like 10 dollars cheaper in my country.

>>106993752
I think you are fine with the top one as long as you accept that the next time you want to touch the computer is to buy a new one // replace everything (except the gpu depending on the times) For how long can you squeeze the 5070 thats up to you, some people feel the itch to upgrade the moment they have to put a setting down from ultra to high or medium. Just keep in mind that you are at what might as well be the top of am4, if you find it lacking there is not an easy upgrade.

>>106993789
And if I can do you think its better to do the 9060 and then upgrade down the line?

>>106993488
We get it, your card's shit at all of them.

>>106993810
I mean i think i would need a new power supply if i wanted to swap out the 9060 in the future, so with that in mind they are both sort of a compromise in that regard.

Im starting to lean towards the 5070 pc realistically how long would these last upkeeping 60fps up untill med-high graphics

>>106993805
It depends, are you playing Paradox or CPU heavy sloppa? if so get the former, if you don't care get the latter.

>>106993805
Both are fine; 9600X can keep up with some multicore loads.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-9600x/

>>106993811
I don't know how pricing is in your country but my stock suggestion with current gen has been buy at least a 5070, and if you can't, well then just buy second hand.
Check LGA 1700 pricing too.
>>106993805
Decision I believe would be basically weighing out gaymes vs not gaymes.

>>106993278
>>106993285
CPU should include the 7700/x on budget and the 7800x3d in gaming with the 9800x3d, then the 9950x3d in premium. Not sure if the 9800x3d should be in premium or just gaming
GPU putting the 5070TI in 4k is a bit suspicious but there at least the 5080 and 5090 should be mentioned. Imo the 5070TI belongs in midrange where we should also see the 9070xt alongside. In that same boat the 9060xt 16gb should appear along the 5060TI

On other stuff i hate some of the older stuff that got backed in the earlier generals like "include MONITOR" "or you will NOT be helped"

We've all heard of gaymes but what about straightmes? What's a straightme and what specs do you need to run it?

>>106993896
A Cock and a plug to put it into.

>>106993901
we like DP /here/

>>106993896
all straightmes were produced over 15 years ago and thus require low power systems.

>>106993894
>CPU should include the 7700/x on budget
literally no reason to buy that when you can get a 14600K for the same price
>then the 9950x3d in premium
agreed
>Not sure if the 9800x3d should be in premium or just gaming
nothing premium about an 8 core in 2025

>>106993924
>literally no reason to buy that when you can get a 14600K for the same price
purchasing a cheap am5 cpu would be the reason
>Not sure if the 9800x3d should be in premium or just gaming
its a premium as in its a slight lift over the 7800x3d at a probably too expensive price

>>106987860
Samsung Odyssey G5 UWQHD 165Hz ?
AOC CU34G4Z WQHD 240Hz Adaptive-Sync HDR Curved 34in Monitor ?

Whats wrong with the price of these? bear in mind the price is always going to be higher, not so much because of the amount of pixels or tech, but because ultrawide monitors are a niche product, and it costs more to make them by default because of that. Worth it tho, love me Ultrawides.

>>106993953
>Ultrawide
There's tons of good Ultrawides, but I want a 16:9 32 incher for immersive singleplayer console-like gaming.

>>106993915
my monitor doesn't support DP

>>106993894
>CPU should include the 7700/x on budget and the 7800x3d in gaming with the 9800x3d, then the 9950x3d in premium. Not sure if the 9800x3d should be in premium or just gaming
I forgot about the 7800, I should add it.
>4k
I feel like it's a good 4k gpu, I kind of figured the people looking at the 5080 and 5090 are going to buy it regardless of what's available or anything like that

>>106993946
>purchasing a cheap am5 cpu would be the reason
and a cheap board and cheap RAM
a "budget buyer" that upgrades every other year is an irresponsible idiot
just save up and get something good when zen 6 comes out
>its a premium as in its a slight lift over the 7800x3d at a probably too expensive price
i wouldn't put it in the OP at all but that's just me
if you want the best of everything you get a 9950X3D
otherwise it's not premium, a 14900K isn't premium either

>>106993708
>>106993717
>>106993721
>>106993727
Oh no way for real? Just the MoBo? I thought the CPU would also apply... But yeah I guess I'll have my weird porn on the older one, I was asking moreso because I kind of know about partitioning, but my friend always recommends me when doing a clean reinstall of windows to clean and wipe the entire SSD, I don't remember but it was with some cmd commands...

Anyway, thanks anons

>>106993994
not who youre talking to but with what you said in mind would you say that the 5070 pc here >>106993625 is better than the 9060 one?

Basically get the 5070 and only upgrade when am6 comes out or something?

I'm doing some windows optimizations and one of the recommendations is the power profile and apparently if I have 1 CCD I can use the ultimate power profile but if I have 2 or more I should used balance. How can I check how many CCD my 7500f has without delidding it?

>>106994044
It has one, anon. The 7900X for example has two CCDs because it's actually two 7600X's in a trench coat pretending to be a 12-core CPU. Productivity software fall for the prank and perform well, games see past their lies and perform like they would on a 7500F/7600X.

>>106994044
It's simple faggot, for AM5.
8 cores or less = 1CCD
12 cores or more = 2CCDs

>>106994029
you mentioned you're on linux and i would never get an NVIDIA GPU for linux
but you're said you're fine with that so whatever
i wouldn't be concerned with being stuck on AM4 for now, i was on a 5800X until a few months ago and i never felt constrained by it, 5700X3D might bottleneck the 5070 in a few heavy UE5 titles but so would a cheap AM5 CPU
>>106994044
you have 1 CCD

>>106994044
this is all you need to do for power profile changes:
1. make a copy of the high performance plan, call it "high performance EPP" or something
2. set it as the active plan
3. open cmd as administrator
4. run the following:
powercfg -setacvalueindex scheme_current sub_processor PERFAUTONOMOUS 1
powercfg -setacvalueindex scheme_current sub_processor PERFBOOSTMODE 2
powercfg -setacvalueindex scheme_current sub_processor PERFEPP 0

now it should boost to maximum frequency all the time
anything else is snake oil (for 1 CCD AMD)

>>106993994
>a "budget buyer" that upgrades every other year is an irresponsible idiot
>if you want the best of everything you get a 9950X3D
i dont think the job of the op is to judge anons but to give them options and the 7700 is a budget option that should be considered
how often we see anons asking with a 1k budget, these might want a 7700 now, how often do we see people contemplating a 9800x3d even when told that the 7800x3d performs similarly
>>106993991
>I feel like it's a good 4k gpu
i think that people that buy it as a 4k gpu gonna be disappointed pretty soon, i agree with the later point about the 80 and 90 but i think they should be included just for good form, even when i wouldn't buy the 80 on performance nor the 90 because im poor
but i wouldn't recommend the 5070TI to somebody that asks me about getting a 4k card, or i would at least tell him that is a very entry level 4k card

>powerplan bullshit
so glad linux doesnt need this everything just works from the kernel

>>106993946
>14600K
$150 14600K deals dried up, and Intel officially raised prices for all Raptor Lake CPUs.
They're reallocating Intel 7 production capacity to make more server IO dies.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-hamstrung-by-supply-shortages-across-its-business-including-production-capacity-says-it-will-prioritize-data-center-cpus-over-consumer-chips-warns-of-price-hikes

AM5 makes more sense at current prices; Intel only recommended if deeply discounted.

>>106994115
>7700 is a budget option that should be considered
there is no reason to consider
the OP is supposed to be opinionated, it's supposed to give good recommendations
not just a list of the latest parts sorted by price
>>106994121
amd_pstate=active
sudo cpupower frequency-set -g performance
might be default by now

>>106994121
>powerplan
It's retard proof. Keep the board chipset driver updated, and leave the power setting in Balanced mode.
Balanced is the default Windows power plan.

>>106994071
Isnt NVIDIA good now though? What problems are still present i might run into?

>>106994138
>>106994139
windows by default tries to do maximum power savings for pcie but that just nerfs amd/intel gpu performance (doesnt affect nvidia because they dont follow windows rules)

>>106994138
>there is no reason to consider
>the OP is supposed to be opinionated, it's supposed to give good recommendations
its a perfectly fine am5 cpu that would fit people on a very tight budget of which we see many
You are free not to recommend it on any pcpp list you might help bake to help anons.

>>106994151
>windows by default tries to do maximum power savings for pcie
No, it doesn't.
The motherboard's BIOS settings take precedent, even if it did.
And practically all DIY motherboards do not enable maximum PCIe saving mode.

so done with these fucking melting issues on my 5090. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones when my cable melted and whole pc caught on fire, I have to build a whole new pc. im suing nvidia and building an all amd pc with the settlement money fuck it idc anymore.

>>106994189
>she didnt liquid cool her graphics card

>>106994167
it does it by default because of laptops and they dont care if you have a desktop.

>>106994146
random missing features like video decoding in browsers
random bugs in games that only show up on NVIDIA
big performance nerf compared to windows on the same hardware
i'm not sure how often kernel upgrades still break the NVIDIA drivers now that the kernel part is open source but staying on an older kernel isn't really a big deal anyway
>>106994162
>You are free not to recommend it on any pcpp list you might help bake to help anons
i'm sorry but i don't care that much
my list would tell people overclocking is mandatory and there would be riots in the streets
feel free to recommend it since you want to do the reddit thing where you have to pretend to be impartial and recommend parts from both brands even though one is clearly superior to the other
>>106994167
>And practically all DIY motherboards do not enable maximum PCIe saving mode
this matches my personal experience, no board i've owned enables ASPM by default
and i keep it off anyway because it doesn't save any power, it's maybe 0.1 W per PCIe device which is significant on a laptop but irrelevant on a desktop
>>106994196
this setting still follows your BIOS

>>106994189
You can get those on AMD cards now too.

>>106994206
Would the 5070 performance hit make it match the 9060 in performance? Is the 9060 pc better then?

>>106994196
As I said before, the motherboard's BIOS settings take precedent.
Practically all DIY motherboards do not enable maximum PCIe saving mode.

And this has 0 performance penalty to gamers, the PCIe link to the card is always active, and will use the maximum possible PCIe bandwidth under gaming loads.
That idle-to-active latency penalty only matters for system performance benchmarking, such as testing an Ethernet controller.
GPU-Z's PCIe bandwidth test proves my point.

>>106994225
no, i still think even with the NVIDIA debuff the 5070 would be faster, but raw FPS isn't everything

>>106994225
NVIDIA's not as attentive to addressing Linux driver issues.

>1 pc for work
>1 pc for nas
>1 pc for gaming only
how many PCs do you need to build?

>>106994265
7

>>106993667
I always have multiple drives but shieeet everything that needs installation gets installed to the boot drive anyway too many apps sperg out if you try to separate them

>>106994308
It's amazing to me how nvidia thought that releasing a budget GPU at the price of 550 was a good idea.

>>106994404
Yet it's the most popular RTX 50 card on Steam.
Where are the RDNA4 cards?

Why does Radeon render colors so much better?

>>106994497
Faggots forget to enable Full-range RGB on their nGreedia cards.

My cpu is not fast enough to do 60 fps in mirrors edge

>>106994404
i dont think the 5070 was supposed to be a budget cpu in a world with a 5050 5060 5060TI 8gb and 5060TI 16gb
That said all those (5070 included) should get a 50$ discount across

>>106994404
Why did amd think a budget gpu at $600 was fine?

>>106994537
The 5070 is really just a 4060 in disguise. It might even be just a 5050 ti in disguise. The memory bus width and GPU die size doesn't lie.

>>106994497
neural rendering is better than computer please stop asking for accurate colors - me, nvidia jensen

>>106994590
600 dollar gpu that rapes all nvidia cards besides 2000 dollar workstation 5090 in the only FPS franchise that matters.
Wow amazing AMD!
Thank you Lisa Su!!!

mentally ill njudea shill and trannyeon shill engage in a battle of wills and wits yet again
no winner in sight

>>106994220
>You can get those on AMD cards now too.
it can't melt because 9070 will never draw more than 600W even on peaks. all examples of it are fakes or improperly seated retards fake forcing it or can't even plug in a cable properly.
also I read, that if they made cable thicker it wouldn't be a problem.

>>106994497
It's because they handle HDR differently, here's my 3090 in mh wilds, I'll post a pic with the RX 9070 in 40 seconds.

>>106994526
The Limited RGB dynamic range (16-235) is the standard used for almost all video content (Blu-rays, streaming, broadcast TV).
It's the "broadcast safe" RGB range.
You end up with a worse viewing experience if you force full RGB range (0-255) on media content that's meant to be viewed on the limited RGB range, like crushed blacks.
https://borisfx.com/documentation/continuum/bcc-broadcast-safe/

This is the reason why the video color setting in NVIDIA's Control Panel defaults to adjust with the video player settings.

nico-nog posting bait to hit 300 posts faster?

>>106994653
>>106994663
Console gamers are complaining about that game's washed-out HDR.
They're being rendered by Radeon GPUs.

>>106994616
9070xt is $700 not $600, are you silly in the head?

>>106994653
i wanna say that the bottom one looks better but mainly on "vibes"? the darker blues on the rugs and the darker grey on the chicks clothes look better, like it has more shading

so done with these fucking crashing issues on my 5070. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones when my doom dark ages crashed and whole pc shut off, im rmaing and switching to a 9070 fuck it idc anymore.

Why does a 1080p 60Hz monitor cost $410? Are eurofags really paying hundreds just to get a class-B energy rating monitor for their office?

>>106994146
you can keep your shitty advice, you retarded monkey nigger

>>106994754
They want accurate colors. If they don't need that they'll buy a generic $50 monitor.

>>106994715
He didn't even post HDR images, just Radeon shitposters coping with their purchases.

Pls help how do I deal with this rage inside me? I am becoming mentally unstable and dangerous. Even seeing the color green now makes me fume and foam at the mouth with rage. If I ever meet someone who owns nvidia gpu IRL I am scared what I will do

>>106994774
>They want accurate colors
>16m colors and 1000:1 contrast ratio same as any other ips panel
>6bpc + frc
kek

>>106994665
Limited RGB looks awful for games or even web browsing.

>>106994780
It's what steam converts an hdr game into when you press the screenshot button, no idea what to tell you. Doesn't look 100% accurate to what I see in game, but it's close enough to illustrate the differences.

>106994780
Those are real screenshots though you fucking schizo nvidinigger
KYS

>>106994802
That Limited RGB range is an opt-in option in NVIDIA's control panel, and it only applies to VIDEO content.
Imbeciles.

>>106993829
t. upscaled 720p saying he plays in 4k

Solution to hdr problem : Driver control panel

>>106994811
>real screenshots though
Not real HDR screenshots.

Crazy how it only took a few months of driver updates for 9070 xt to rape 5070 ti

>>106994834
More like RenoDX, HDR is a game dev issue.

>>106994881
>>106994881
>>106994881

>>106994845
If I take jxr hdr screenshots with microsoft gamebar the images are like 30mb and require specific software to view properly
windows "photos" can display jxr hdr format, Im using bandiview which also can do it

its a real mess

>>106994893
Jannies already showed last night that they couldn't care less about who made the earlier thread.
You never learn.

Regardless of what you post I'm going to start another thread at 300 in this one

>>106994908
Doesn't matter, you're using a game with shit HDR to prove whatever point.
If NVIDIA hardware had problems rendering accurate HDR, all these HDR fixes wouldn't work on GeForce cards.

Yeah RenoDX is good. Just never use RTX HDR and ignore anyone in these threads that tries to shill Nvidia cards with it.

>>106994913
>>106994924
i just dropped a report and hide and moved on

>>106994924
>Im going to spam

>>106994932
The Nico's OPs are spams, jannies literally do not care who made the next thread first.
This thread was posted later than the two that got deleted.

>>106994932
Nah no spam just going to post it once and let it be
>>106994945
>>106994945
>>106994945

>>106994881
>>106994881
>>106994881

>gpu prices are rising again

How gay.

>>106991849
Most places have a month return or price matching so if the prices go down you can just swap it out.

>>106996096
this lil nigga needs medicine, looks like he's poisoned