Thread 106990274

2-pin Edition

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Books & Papers etc.):
https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U) - $22
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106973036

Airpods won.
Chifi lost.

>>106990311
pfff airpods pro 3 are fucking dogshit they didn't win anything
I give apple 3 more years then china will start shitting out cheap TWS with all the same (or better) systems

eqtards won another thread

the only thing you won is digital clipping or less bits of dynamic range.

>>106990474
all you won is an ass clapping
LOL

we're laughing at you. you are suffering from reduced dynamic range, poor resolution, fucked up frequency response, high distortion, and high noise floor. and are so deaf you don't recognize any of it as a problem

>>106990276
I don't get it. Many IEMs have a peak around 8k? Well the Explorer doesn't, even inside an ear. That's why you can blast your music loud with them. No EQ needed.

8k is completely smooth. And this is inside the ear using a 711 Coupler.

>>106990463
not the eq users that use r2r, 1-bit dacs. that shit isn't any more useful than an apple dongle besides power, so, L, entirely.

>>106990486
>high noise floor
oh look another argument you lost 8 arguments ago
>implying pr2 will ever have noise floor

>>106990499
>711 Coupler.
>8k
well in the region of unreliability for 711 couplers, so, stop relying on it.

>>106990488
>shows how hugely FR at the eardrum varies between ears
>i don't get it
there fuck is there to get? no matter how "smooth" treble looks on a graph or even feels in your ear it doesn't mean it will be the same for any other ear.
>Many IEMs have a peak around 8k
no
>Explorer doesn't, even inside an ear
wrong and irrelevant
>That's why you can blast your music loud with them
I can do it in general on all my POS
>No EQ needed
EQ is always needed

>>106990503
ok i respect you're opinion. still listening to vinyl rips on my ru7 and pr2. sounds good man

nope, you lost. lol
hope you can still return that shit unless you bought it used on ebay too ahahaha

>>106990514
it's PR2 and you're giving it juice, of course it sounds good

>>106990536
did I justify $175 to your poor ass yet

>>106990513
All graphs you see on squig are measured in-ear (on a fake ear). So thats why you will see most iems having a peak in the 7-9k region. Theyre not tuned to be that way, but they sound like it when theyre inserted in the ear. But the Explorer doesn't, because they worked to reduce that peak.

Or am I wrong?

>>106990561
you can read the eq guide or watch various beginner videos which quickly explain what is happening, rather than forcing an anon to re-iterate and type out what is already well-disseminated common knowledge.

if you have curiosity and a desire to learn, then do so. you don't need to ask the questions here, for 1 of the 4 anons who know and give a shit to have to manually type out the answer for the nth time. the answers exist, a good chunk of it compiled in the op guides. or catering to an even more casual audience, explained by decent audiophile youtube channels like The Headphone Show or Super Review.

>>106990561
>All graphs you see on squig are measured in-ear (on a fake ear).
that's false
>So thats why you will see most iems having a peak in the 7-9k region
that's false
>Theyre not tuned to be that way, but they sound like it when theyre inserted in the ear.
that's false
>But the Explorer doesn't, because they worked to reduce that peak.
that's false
>Or am I wrong?
yes

>>106990554
for power alone, sure. other than that, it really is an overpriced apple dongle (when EQ is used).

>>106990645
why wouldn't I use EQ? you're just coping over being broke

>>106990645
actually, I take it back..what was I thinking? $175 is way too much for a dongle dac

>>106990670
b r o k e. anyway, enjoying my zero noise floor

>>106990667
being broke has nothing to do with it. see >>106990670
don't project. I'm not the one who's coping. I know how to gain stage and choose and pay for gear with premiums I can't even use.
tell me more about cope

>>106990678
and I don't choose*

>>106990678
what does this story have to do with affording a ru7 for zero noose floor

>>106990610
Ok so it the measuring rig doesn't cause the 7-9k peak, then that means almost all iems have a peak there. You can't have it both ways. Either the iems have a peak or the peak is caused by the resonance in the ear.

>>106990673
now you're coping :) just take the L and keep using eq on your non-functioning r2r meme dongle

>>106990708
>now it doesnt work
nigga im listening to it rn. I bought a zero noise floor dongle cuz I need it for my vinyl rips

Give me an IEM with good treble, but no earrape and either a fully resin shell or a metal shell. I don't want a resin + metal nozzle combo. Yes, I am autistic.

>nearly 9uv of noise floor
kek

>>106990805
treble needs to be eq'd anyways,
celest wyvern not the remaster version (that has metal nozzle). no ear rape, because it's dark and rolls off.

>>106990805
Artti T10 Pro

>>106990704
>Ok so it the measuring rig doesn't cause the 7-9k peak
no
>then that means almost all iems have a peak there.
no
>You can't have it both ways. Either the iems have a peak or the peak is caused by the resonance in the ear.
It's easy to have it "both ways" when you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about.
saying that "rig causes the resonance" is wrong. Resonance happens because of simple physics and wave behavior.
It's around 8k on most graphs because it's where most reviewers decided to align it. Its behavior is not consistent and depends on IEM and a coupler itself.. Some can't even be aligned at 8k. You can find explorer graphs with bumps around 8k. But none of it is really representative of its behavior inside an actual ear. Actual ear will have different unique acoustic impedance which will change the base FR of IEM. Then anatomical differences and insertion depth will change it even further in unpredictable ways. As provided image demonstrates. IEM not having peaks on graphs does not guarantee that in real ear it will behave the same way (it will not).
Also I'm pretty sure most people with clone 711 couplers don't actually use fake ears. But it's not really relevant.

just so you know, actual best in class gear can have noise floor <1.5uv. your dongle is 6x worse. lol

>>106990805
>IEM
>no earrape
literally does not exist

>>106990852
Ok, but on the picture you attached it looks like all ears have a 7-9k peak (including the two iems). I'm saying, the Aful Explorer does not have such a peak.

>>106990884
>literally does not exist
Aful Explorer exists

>>106991004
>>106991011
if you are not eqing your $100 pos, you're deaf. but we already knew that

>>106991022
No need to EQ because there are no peaks to be removed. It's all smooth already. Aful already EQ the peaks away using dampening material.

>>106991025
still needs eq. also hardware eq is inferior
eqtards win this

>>106991004
omg how dense can you be?
>but on the picture you attached it looks like all ears have a 7-9k peak (including the two iems)
first of all it doesn't matter
2nd of all you still do not understand what you are looking at.
It's 1 IEM (I forgot which one some shitty JBL TWS or whatever) measured on 2 rigs (711 and 5128) and several ears. Where peaks are doesn't matter. What matter is that difference is like 10 dB at any point of the graph. Meaning there's literally no saying how pos will sound for you. like at all
> I'm saying, the Aful Explorer does not have such a peak
you literally can not know that.
also explorer is trashy warm dark pos which most people won't like. stop coping

>>106991025
>Aful already EQ the peaks away using dampening material.
they can't EQ shit because they don't know where your peaks are dumbass...
also here's you aful 8k peaks
checkmate
now what

>>106991093
>he can't EQ by ear
feels good to not be a deaf motherfucker with $100 pos

>>106991025
They added a dip where they assumed a peak is going to be so it evens out flat. But if the peak is not there due to your ear canal length/insertion depth it will appear back in full strength.

>>106991125
cringe

>>106990311
Pre-obsoleted by fox TWS.

Stock sound sucks, but man, -5db of bass and they actually sound good

Just returned my Airpods 3 pro because the ANC had a horrible hiss.

>>106992250
I order the OnePlus Buds 4 after, crazy that Apple QC is so bad.

>>106989470
That's tame as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjKyzwqIT7s

Years go by, FH3 still the best.
>built like a tank, comfortable, thin nozzle
>beryllium DD for bass - very textured and technical, hits with authority and doesn't bleed in the mids
>Knowles ED BA for mids - smooth, natural, with pinpoint instrument separation
>Knowles RAD BA for highs - airy, breathing, surgically precise with tons of detail
>huge, spacious soundstage that lets the exceptional imaging really shine
>non-fatiguing, very musical while still being very technical
I don't get it, why FiiO didn't make it a kilobuck, because it's worth it. For its price it's an absolute steal. MRS was right with the 5-star rating on this one.

>>106992414
Mental illness.

what are some of the best comfy IEM with a semi neutral yet warmish sound under 100bucks?
I want something i can just wear for 8hrs at a time or more without discomfort so not anything with fuckhueg nozzles

>>106992623
EDC Pro

Let me guess, you need more

>>106991498
deaf poorfag cope is more cringe desu

>>106990274 (OP)
I want to try IEMs as my Sennheiser HD 280 has too much pressure so I want some variety to not fuck up my jaw muscles.
I’d prefer a more flat sound as I listen to tons of podcasts and audiobooks, and maybe something nice for working out, but I don’t really care much about that, my priority is for they to be as comfortable as possible specially for long sessions and what I assume are average sized adult male ears.
I can go up to 200 bucks, but any cheap options for comfy IEMs would be appreciated, even if the sound quality is not great.

>>106992414
the driver quality alone is amazing regardless of the price
tuning, not so much, though it's not outright shit

>>106992773
About the same, yeah

>>106992964
Based. Too bad they did not keep the original aesthetics and added a magnifying lens

>>106992978
It is the original aesthetic, all of the successors are a downgrade, really

>>106992990
Forgot a pic
https://by.seiko-design.com/en/stories-en/alpinist-en/

>>106993022
Lens on watches are terrible design mistake

>>106992773
do you listen to Tool on this tool?

>>106993308
I think it's been 10 years since I last listened to Tool

Epz NEW G10, the upgrade to the G10 featuring a 10mm LCP+PU dual magnetic DD tuned with help from Valorant DRG ( Epz sponsored team ).
Came with the option of 3.5 cable or Usb C which enable PEQ support through the walkplay app, the EPZ NEW G10 is available for 219 cny/30$ for Type C or 199 cny/28$ for 3.5mm

>>106992964
based

>>106993666
>LCP+PU
Turdear Pure already has LCP+silicone, time to move on EPZ

>>106992867
here you go lil bro https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/he-r9-refurbished.html

Of course the dented head can't read.

>>106992867
Truthear hexa

>>106990274 (OP)
First time buyer here. Is there any noticeable different in sound between the budget options listed in the paste? Was considering the EPZ Q1 Pro or Tanchjim Bunny DSP. Anyone have a recommendation? Also, is the Apple USB-C dongle DAC good? My dad has one, so I'd just use his instead of buying another one. Thanks.

>>106993931
get a chu2 for sub $20 after coupons and leave this general forever, save yourself

>>106992728
unironically this
just be aware of abysmal QC, but if you get a fully working set, you're in for a treat

>abysmal QC
>200 EDCs Pro on squiglink with good matching
for something free, it's amazing

>>106993935
>chu2 for sub $20 after coupons
Noted.
>leave this general forever, save yourself
Will do.

>>106994117
QC does not equal quality in general
it means you can get working set or a dud, which considering very low price, makes getting multiple sets a viable option, just in case

>>106992773
Yes.

>>106994161
don't get Chu 2. that shit will oxidize and ooze green shit all over the nozzles. skip it entirely. what's your budget???

>>106992414
Agreed fellow FH3 enjoyer. Agreed.

>>106994216
im trans btw if that matters

How's the Tanchjim FOLA supposed to be different from the Origin? All I can gather is:
>Interchangeable plug terminations
>Weird PU something-something against the DD
>Shorter nozzles
It's weird that they'd add stuff to the package while making it like 20% cheaper.

>>106994251
>Fola has DSP modular cable
>Origin just 1 cable
it's just better, but you gotta pay the flagship tax for the bragging rights

>>106994306
Yeah, but better how (beyond the cable)? Some reviews seem to be dropping in a day or two, but comparing to the Nora instead of the Origin, which I find kind of weird.

>>106992414
obsoleted by Aful Explorer with its Magic BAs, same as in MagicOne

Bunny DSPs arrived
They sound pretty nice, thanks for the rec
I'm not sure how I feel about the cable though

>>106994216
My budget is probably around $100, but if I can get something good enough for $20-$40, I'd prefer that. I doubt I could really tell the difference between them anyway.

>>106992939
1 measurement.

>>106994341
idk reviewers suck. But it seems Fola is a Nora beefed up in construction and accessories. Since it has less air, reviewers might find less "techy" or something.

ching chong bing bong

sure, why not

>>106994911
CCP is watching you now

>>106994919
hope they like my [spoiler]f95 goon virtual machine[/spoiler]

>>106994911
nvm I can't passthrough the USB to the VM for some reason, program won't work. guess I'll install it in an old offline phone or something

>>106994911
usecase for proprietary chinese hardware/software?

>>106994458
I suggest you buy both the pos you mentioned. two different flavors is a nice first start. go for it

>>106995044
use case for more than 1 dd? what makes you think the number of drivers is a metric?

Thoughts on the retro nano?

>>106995180
use case for ears?

>>106994488
Thanks for the graph and perspective. It seems kind of weird to slot a mid-tier option between the NORA and Origin when all three use the same DMT5 afaik. The upper treble air seems pretty noticeable by comparison. I'd guess Origin is smoother overall based on the graph. Cool stuff anyway.

>>106995502
>smoother overall based on the graph.
basing treble impressions off 711 graphs isn't the way to go.

$5 shitbuds > kilopos > $100 pos

mfw you can just eq by ear and btfo all the buyer's remorse and chartniggas

>>106995502
I think they are phasing out the origin, the lineup will be $100 nora $200 fola $500 origin LM. Or maybe they have a $300 origin refresh in the works.

>>106994442
>I'm not sure how I feel about the cable though
well it is $20 pos... can't expect cable too good for that price... (tho its cable is fine)
>>106993931
Just buy bunny dsp... chu 2 is not bad but it's a gamble with moondrop's QC.
Q1 pro is comfy but you'd most likely need to EQ it cause base tuning is both too thin and too bright

>>106995055
Thanks, I might just do that. Now just to wait for a sale.

>>106995730
yeah as it goes in chifi. kara pro refresh, these redundant 1dds. as recently as origin came out it's already going to be old versus new lineup. at least they should repackage origin with new cables

>paid too much for quality
after $5 shitbud territory it's over

>>106995529
They are under the same conditions, so it won't be like night and day on the 5128, which btw is telling the same thing, less overall energy.

>>106996293
Thank you for the recommendation. Will definitely get the Bunny. I wouldn't mind fiddling with the EQ of the Q1's; I'm considering both. Are the cables that important?

>>106996308
thats pretty much what fola is

>>106996368
>Are the cables that important
not for sound quality. better cables will have less microphonics, won't easily tangle or get stiff after a while and things like that. You can get pretty decent cable for like $10-15. But overall it's like whatever. I never really had problems with cables from cheap pos

>>106990274 (OP)
I got an oppo enco 3. I don't want to switch it out for never or anything like that. But how should i search for similar styled earphones? I don't like plastic thingy OP pic has, after 2-3 hours or sooner depending on weather my ears starts to hurt.

2025 $5 shitbud shopping guide
$3 EDC Pro 1DD
$4 Celest Rue 1DD
$4 CVJ Luki 1DD+1vibrator
$7 Castor 2DD
$7 Krila 1DD+1BA
$7 Polaris 1DD
$8 Sgor Venus 1DD
$10 PR2 1planar
$10 QKZ x HBB 1DD
$12 Rosefinch 1DD
$12 GATe 1DD
$13 Chu II 1DD
$20 Lafitear LF3 Pro 1DD+1EST+1BA
$20 TRN ST7 2DD+5BA
$30 VX Pro+ 1DD+8BA
$23 TRN Lucky Bag (5 IEMs)

>>106996680
current recommendation for $0?

/iemg/ Physiognomy Check

Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your weekly sanity dose:

>Airpods/Cheapshit TWS/Stock buds
Too common to really make a good prediction, ranges from the average beta normalfag to alpha chads with chiseled jawlines.
>KZ, cheap Moondrop, years old FOTM pos, Cringicle collabs, Crinear
Balding and likely a redditor, moderately ugly, recessed chin. Unibrow, acne. Probably feminist and a simp for onlyfans whores. Least threatening "male". Often Indian.
>Truthear, Tanchjim, Softears, other less popular chinkshit and etymotic + smaller influencer collabs
Seriously ugly freaks, might have one standout feature like bug eyes or asymmetrical nose, negative canthal tilt is a given. High pitched or feminine voice, repulsive to almost all women.
>Customs/Expensive Western brands
Frail faggot hipster, somehow has rapey vibes yet is overpowered by the average woman. Male feminist. Think DMS archetype.
>Moondrop/Tanchjim/EPZ/CVJ with art on the side
These are the ugliest incels imaginable, the truest of trucels. Strange vocal tics, unnatural gait, and unbelievably ugly. They look deformed and monstrous to any normal person and have fucked up fetishes normies couldn't even imagine. Either freakishly thin or morbidly obese.
>BlueKAKA, Artti R6, SGOR, extremely cheap shitty offbrand chink pos
Small and short, built like goblins with a face to match. Very often fat, brown and the definition of untermensch. Horrific stench emanates up to 5 meters.
>Expensive SEAnigger pos
Fat ricecels with tiny beady eyes and poor vision. They often look inbred and their accents make women flee. One can assume they eat a lot and Asian eating habits are disgusting already, but their pig like countenance amplifies the effect.

>>106996715
unoriginal. not your template to piss on.

>>106996859
why u mad doe?

>>106996715
I'm all of these btw

>>106996878
oh I'm calm. you're showing your immaturity level.

>plug new IEMs into my tanchjim space
>hear popping noises
is it dead? i tried other iems with it and it still makes the noise but when i plug them into my pc it stops

>>106996549
>I don't like plastic thingy OP pic has, after 2-3 hours or sooner depending on weather my ears starts to hurt.
what choice do you have lol? metal shell that is much heavier and will hurt your ears even faster?

I'd probably fail blind A/B testing all of my IEMs against each other with like 12% accuracy and that's only because some of them are large BAs that start to hurt after a bit

Needed a pair for the gyms I would not cry if damaged, what am I in for? First chinkbuds ever

>>106997392
>gym
>wired with no IPX
sweat and moisture are a silent killer, so don't find it weird if one side suddenly starts acting up. Yo should've bought a shitbud tws like the space travel 2, QoL of lifting without wired is much better.

>>106997392
meh not among my top picks for good fit but maybe it works fine for you

>>106997449
Don't want your wireless exploding shit around by brain, Goldberg

>>106996293
>tho its cable is fine
Yeah, been using it for a few hours now and I don't really mind it anymore
I should've gone with the 3.5mm version though, finna boutta cop a BT DAC so I gotta get another cable anyways

>>106997392
love the seiko alpinist, such a great watch. cocktail time looks nice too

>>106997508
oh you're arab? yeah, avoid it

Oh Lord they sound fucking terrible compared to my Ety's, why did I get memed into buying chinkbuds?
If only etymotics made perfect buds for the gym or rooning. Fucking Christ do you virgins really buy chinkshit and try to tune it until it sounds good for one kind of music? Fucking lame desu, never fucking again. These disgusting bass are hurting my brain.
>>106997556
Thanks bro, I love the alpinist so much!

>>106997508
>Don't want your wireless exploding shit around by brain
that's literally not s thing...

What IEMs sound the closest to Sennheiser HD650s?

>>106997631
They buy budget shit with still-noticeable harmonic distortion and shitty tunings, then EQ them to match more closely the lines of shit they wish they had the money to buy.

>>106997887
turdear pure

>>106997887
>>106997887
none, iems don't adapt to your HRTF like headpos, so it's all fluke, and most will have much deeper bass than the 650, but people usually say truthear pure is similar-ish

>>106997631
Class 3 listener moment.

>>106997631
lmao what a pathetic melty
>These disgusting bass are hurting my brain.
since when is bass bad

>>106997925
>budget shit with still-noticeable harmonic distortion
pff such as?

>>106997925
The most retarded post of the thread award.

>>106996691
I called them $0 back when ali gave out the $10 vouchers, I stopped calling them that. but you can get $0.50 vouchers daily for 20 days

>>106998022
>the more money you pay, the more distortion you get
naruhodo

>>106994911
>>106995013
If it's for EQ some squigs can connect to the dongle
https://graph.hangout.audio/iem/711

why is there no modern clip plus replacement? Mine died and I've been going crazy trying to find a replacement. Even new old stock models on ebay are dummy expensive. I just want a $20 player with an sd card slot to use for walks :(

>>106990274 (OP)
remember, it's not true lossless if you're not using Exclusive Mode.
if you don't even know what that is or your player doesn't even have that option, ngmi

>>106998060
Shit that doesn't matter vs PEQ. Decisions decisions...

>spends 300 bucks on a high-level neutral iem
>your lossless music sir

>>106998060
I've yet to see ONE faggot who can prove that he can hear the difference between lossless and 320... heck none can even prove they can hear the difference between lossless and fucking spotify.

>>106998074
Rookie numbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ANEQu5Lto

>>106998060
Bit-perfect is literally placebo thoughbeit

>>106998102
i mean the proof is in the soundwaves. but most people won't care enough to notice the difference in details and punchiness. mp3 variates a lot in punchiness, the kick drum is in your face, it all sounds more wobbly.

While FLAC/losless feels flat, hard to explain it but if you've ever been in a studio during mixing, that's how lossless feels extremely TIGHT no matter the volume

once you notice it once it's impossible not to notice it. you can spot the difference immediately, especially if you boost up the volume.

again, most people don't care about video/audio quality at all so it's a pointless argument, audiophilia is a niche and a hobby.

>>106998163
The proof is in the ABX test.

>>106997887
they dont make iems that sound that bad

>>106998074
>he doesnt listen to the guitar hero rip of death magnetic

>>106998163
>but most people won't care enough to notice the difference in details and punchiness
more like all people won't notice the difference because it's inaudible
>once you notice it once it's impossible not to notice it.
IS IT? IS IT IMPOSSIBLE? prove it then.
here
https://abx.digitalfeed.net/lame.320.html
do it faggot prove you can hear the "wobbliness and variance in punchiness"

10 IEMs later
still no IEM has such wide soundstage as the original Blessing 2s.
I don't know what's up with that but it's true, those things sound like headphones.

>>106996999
im mature for my age *holds up spork*

>>106998226
Headphones have no soundstage tho.

>>106997631
>he has a folding knife for "self-defense" and to show it off!
You silly boy!

>>106997631
When will basslets learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBskzS0dgRU

>>106998102
there's like 3 songs that will trip up lame.exe and you'll still have to max the volume to hear it

>>106998225
>using a web browser as a player
it's not bit-perfect, retard. it defeats the whole point.

that "lossless" file ceases to be lossless when played through a browser. no browser has Exclusive Mode, those tests are useless

also, spotify/apple music/itunes/youtube music all play at 256kbps as their highest quality, so put that "lossless" against 320kbps files is dishonest (and you WOULD be able to tell the difference on a bit-perfect stream, tho yes it is way too subtle to justify an obsession with lossless, i agree)

best pos for this song?
https://youtu.be/AmKRGEpOQr0?t=200

>>106998316
>that "lossless" file ceases to be lossless when played through a browser. no browser has Exclusive Mode, those tests are useless
you don't need exclusive mode for it to be bit perfect tho?
>also, spotify/apple music/itunes/youtube music all play at 256kbps as their highest quality, so put that "lossless" against 320kbps files is dishonest
No it's not? Claim was that you can hear the difference between mp3 specifically
>mp3 variates a lot in punchiness, the kick drum is in your face, it all sounds more wobbly
>and you WOULD be able to tell the difference on a bit-perfect stream, tho yes it is way too subtle to justify an obsession with lossless, i agree
wrong. it is inaudible

>>106998163
>i mean the proof is in the soundwaves
can you actually show it with soundwaves?
even 16 bit is enough to reconstruct a wave perfectly

Pos with 0.1% THD has 60dB SINAD -> 9.67 bits. You ain't hearing shit my niggas. Of course noise is more audible than distortion but DAC/amps at realistic volumes(NOT the volume SNR is measured at) struggle to have even 90dB SNR.

I want to buy a chill KZ, that doesnt have too much energy in the upper mids and lower treble. Any suggestions?

I already own the AM16, PRX, Vader Pro and Castor Bass. I find all of them a bit thin sounding, like too V shaped. Something with better mids and less energy in the high frequencies.

What do you recommend?

Decet, Zenith, EDC Pro? Something else?

>>106998578
>I want to buy a chill KZ
Why

>>106998587
Because they're cheap

>>106994488
Fola's must have just went up on amazon and I bought em, should get here in 2 weeks.
>>106995241
>>106992964
>>106992773
either of these work with android auto? kinda want to use something other than my phone if I can help it

do earbuds belong in iem general or headphone general?

>>106998912
Nobody knows.

>>106998578
>owns KZ
>doesn't EQ
what

>>106999087
Nobody does

>>106998074
>Californication
Vinyl rip literally doesn't have this problem https://litter.catbox.moe/kpuf8s.dsf

CDfags: 0
Vinyltards: 1

The history of digital audio:
>sony uses 44/16 pcm for their vhs tape recorders and later CD
>people realize running dac chips at a higher frequency sounds smoother and that 44/16 is a compromise
>sigma-delta chips oversample using 1bit cuz less computationally intensive and lower power in spec sheets, new chips every year
>sacd was going to be 96khz
>pcm chips are on their way out
>because oversampling is close enough to highres, sacd instead uses/develops DSD (direct stream digital) to bypass oversampling in the oversampling chips by having the format be the same 1bit oversampled signal
>MSB pipes pcm into resistors, sells for $3000, nobody else figures this out for 15 years
>people figure out how to pipe 1bit/sigmadelta/DSD into resistors

>>106999234
Newfagzo...

>>106999234
The jeet mind can't comprehend a DAC.

>>106998999
They're really more like headphones if you think about it

This album is the reason I gave up on "crisp, clear" headphones forever, and why I can't do IEMs

>>106999491
Distorted and tuned like shit?

>>106999491
true. flatpos is just a driver in a cup outside your ear

What IEMs are good for gaming? Specifically for audio cues in a clusterfuck, so I'm pretty much relying on my ears rather than my sight.

hello lads, looking to purchase a DAP for the first time and I don't know which of the $200 ones to choose.
I want one to stream some YouTube stuff and my FLACs I even thought about going beyond my point and get the R4 instead but since I'm mostly going to use IEMs I don't think I need the power.
any recommendations would be based, thanks
$200 is the limit btw

>>106999534
technically basically all of them
specifically one that fits your HRTF the best will have the best imaging and soundstage
no matter what we'll recommend there's no guarantee it'll be good for YOU. So I'd say just buy bunny dsp and try it out.

>>106999534
vx pro+

>>106998051
Sorry but I don't think I see anything related to Device PEQ on that site I might be blind where do I click for that?

>>106999546
m300. Avoid anything with 4.4, it's made for deaf people.

>>106999534
none are good

>>106999519
Just EQ bro.

>>106999605
I see it now, it wasn't showing up in Firefox for some reason, had to switch to Edge
tyvm anon

>>106999234
off-topic as shit

my og tea finally died

RIP to the goat

>>106999642
It needs webusb support from chromium.

>>106999534
TKZK Ouranos

>DSD
I only listen to real 1 bit music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNc_xczyGLc

>>106990274 (OP)
Is Tanchjim Bunny DMT4 worth buying? This is my first time buying IEM and that's the only one available right now

>>106999829
yeah, DSP version is easier to find your preference tho

>>106999829
the best pos i own and have tried, and i've tried a lot

>>106999829
sure

It's weird to ask if $20 shit is "worth buying"
it's basically free

>>106999893
Last time I was into headphones was 15 years ago looking at what things cost now has me laughing. What a time to be alive! Now we just need to figure out how to buy food and housing from Aliexpress.

>>106999846
I don't get it, are DMT4 and DSP the same thing?

>>106999941
DMT4 is the driver marketing, DSP means usb-c dongle built in, and an app with presets and EQ

>>106999980
So is it better to buy dsp (usb c) version than audio jack version? I use it for my phone too which still supports audio jack

>>107000067
both are fine, it's just that the DSP has more stuff

>>106999534
Fiio FH3 is goated for gaming (and music).

>>106999659
>my og tea finally died
That's what happens to Mangird/Thieaudio/Ziigaat (Linsoul) stuff. They're all built like $5 shitbuds. All the money went into branded drivers.

Buy Fiio. Then you'll get the build quality of Aful, but with branded drivers just like in Linsoul stuff.

>>107000107
I think I decided to buy the DSP version as audio jack is becoming less common in the future (sad). If I want to connect to audio jack, I just buy the audio adapter for it.

>>106993666
>epz releases a cool product with DSP for $30
>*no1 cares*
>crinear rebrands it and markup of 100%
>*omg!! game changer!!*
why are ppl like this??

>>107000223
cool product obsoleted by bnuuy dsp

>>107000144
I jog outside at -15C with my Tea 2s, dropped them a few times and they still run fine (still jogging/commuting with them), Aful Explorer got one side quieter than the other without even going outside once, and now the cable is so stiff I can't even properly wear it.

>>107000223
epz is too associated with radioactive faggot foxbum so nobody cares

whew. that escalated quickly.

>>106998057
in thread above there are pics of what we have nowadays. hiby r1, shanling m0/m1. also hidizs ap80 pro-x (not max), snowsky echo mini

>>107000306
Too bad Tea 2 aren't for sale anymore or I probably would've ordered.

The only issue I have with the Explorers is the soundstage feels a bit congested.

So KZ Zenith is the one?

>>107000826
>The only issue I have with the Explorers is the soundstage feels a bit congested.
chasing the soundstage mirage is arguably the most pointless, useless time wasting endeavour i can think of

>>107000844
..w-wow

>>106990320
airpods pro 2 > pro 3
anc and battery is the only improvement, and those are at the cost of sound

crossfeed is GOOD

I don't know what to buy.

>>107000888
i wouldn't call it "at the cost of sound"
they literally could have had the same improvements without fucked sound profile. I dunno why apple went full retard with it but oh well

>>107000956
if it's implemented properly

>>107000874
>thinking
well there's your problem.

>>107001011
>airpods pro 4
i know why

>>107000956
>>107001014
It's never good. You're literally just moving sounds closer to the center and with some implementations lose treble. Crossfeed is not why speakers sound like speakers.

niggas really be doing everything in their power to make the sound NOT as intended

>>107001403
>intended
all pos are made by deaf chinks

>>106990274 (OP)
clueless touristfag here
Didn't know anything about these, just picked up a bunny from recommendations. Sounds pretty good

I'll never visit this general again but I wanted to drop in and say thanks ;)

>>107002106
now just learn to EQ and you'll never need to buy any audio gear ever again

my koss porta pros just broke and I'm in Taiwan so I wonder what I could get for the last month that I'm here for


>Budget
$20-100, prefer budget options since it's just a purchase for about a month of usage (not the biggest fan of IEMs, but I'd like to give them a shot again), maybe longer if I end up liking them

>Intended use (media, source, environment)
I play instruments (mostly bass) and play some 1v1 fps games + cs. Liked the porta pros because they were open back but I don't expect IEMs to have that same functionality. Probably want something a bit more suited for gaymen if we're being honest.

>Frequency response preference and music examples
I really listen to anything depending on the day, but mostly punk, metal and -core stuff. More popular examples include Carnivore, Title Fight, TON, Alexisonfire, Children of Bodom, Death, classics like Goreshit, Scott Brown etc. I like experimenting with signatures as I only buy equipment when it breaks so I don't get to try new stuff too often. For games I would like to hear footsteps, so maybe something with decent sound separation is what I'm looking for.

>Past gear and your thoughts on them
I once bought the meme white and orange Sony earbuds people used to shill ages ago when I did lurk this thread. They were okay. Revonext QT2S (?) made me pretty content until they started zapping my ears. Listened to a lot of core music at the time, everything sounded neat. Had something else before that but I completely forgot the brand, they broke pretty fast. Think they had 'candy' in their name, but it wasn't Skullcandy or anything like that IIRC. Thanks for reading my blog lol, cheers

I don't think any of the newer Tanchjim products have the same aura and design polish as the Origin.
The Fola I thought I would like the design but it's just not the same as the Origin's very clean embossing and pop, I don't know if they will ever top that one.

>>106996715
rec a pos for an alpha chad who enjoys pumping hot loads of cum inside warm femboy asshole after a long day's work currently listening to KZ

>>107003433
>aura and design polish
post graph or it never happened

>>107002537
>I'm in Taiwan
-1000 social credit.

>>107004064
>listening to KZ
is that a kpop group or something?

>>107004218
yes. I am VERY gay

>>107004542
VERY sorry to hear that.

>>107004592
sorry I will stop listening to kpop. anyway I still need a pos to wear while cumming in warm femboy butthole

really need a pos because she sounds like a middle aged man passing a kidney stone while she's being pounded

>>107004592
sorry I will stop listening to kpop. anyway I still need a pos to wear while cumming in warm femboy butthole she sounds like a middle aged man passing a kidney stone while she's getting pounded

CIHE Wuhan 2025 and stuff related to it ( it's a 1.5 months an event thing )
2+3 : AFUL Performer 8s final shell design ( i think ), look pretty good and appearently have better bass than the p8.
Aful Explorer 2, focus more on the mid freq band but still sound a bit too thin for the guy who Im taking this from.
4: Kinera "Frigga" featuring a 2DD 4EST hybrid setup, price is 6999 cny or close to 1k$. Sound is appearently similar to the NOTT phantom but slightly better dynamic and bass + treb extension.
Also the Kinera Verrandi TWS should be released soon.
5 : EPZ P40, new tribrid from EPZ featuring 2DD 1 Planar and 1 PZT, less fun and smoother P50, price is somewhere between 700 cny ( 100$ ) to 800 cny ( 112$ )
6 : Dunu Lynn, unknown setup unknown price, sound "smooth and linear" with a wide soundstage.
7+8 : TRN Mermaid, 1 Knowles BA 2 planar ( i think, not sure ), wide soundstage and really thick vocal.
TRN Conch Pro, 1DD glass diaphragm, warm and thick vocal focused signature with limited treble extension.
9: Yuandao/NiceHCK tear 1DD iem, 99 cny or 14$ ish, tame sounding with good bass extension and ok vocal ( for the price )
10 : Aune AR9000, because the event is so crowded it got handicapped with all the noise from the outside leaking in, but still good soundstage and an analytical studio like signature
11 : K Temperament/Ksearphone new cheap 1DD iem, 100 cny ( 14$ ), sound warm and lack of detail.

>>107004890
>Aful Explorer 2, focus more on the mid freq band but still sound a bit too thin for the guy who Im taking this from.
What do you mean "still too thin"? Then the new version is more v shaped? The original is far from thin sounding, it has good note weight.

>>107005180
idk it's from a chink

>>107005230
>idk it's from a chink
Ok. Well Im buying, thats for sure. Can you ask him when it's releasing?

>buy ear rape shitbud e-waste from deaf chinks
>use EQ
>sounds great
why does this confound the graphtard?

>>107004890
Releasing a pos without BAs just when I wanted to order a custom p50? Ok I'll wait a bit more.

>>107005243
no ETA
>>107005370
=O

>>107004890
>EPZ P40, new tribrid from EPZ featuring 2DD 1 Planar and 1 PZT
Planar for bass, DDs for mid/treble anb PZT just disconnected, right?

>Sennheiser HDB 630

Le good o le scam? i was thinking on buy that model

>>107006077
>headpos
yep thats a scam.

>>107006134
I can smell the curry from this post

>>107005283
EQ is such a taboo for some reason I don't understand.
In the world of music production it's even worse.

It's like changing a few dB on a slider is a war crime

>>107006176
There's this fear that you will mess up the intended tuning, "the maker knows better" kind of thing, even though EQ can subjectively and objectively make listening substantially better.

>>107006162
Buy LCD-5 and finasteride, saar.

>>107006077
Never heard a good sounding BT headphone but they are very convenient for non music stuff
If you need ANC just get a bose and use iems under it

>>107006077
everybody is sucking them off so maybe if you have a spare $500

>>107004890
>7+8 : TRN Mermaid, 1 Knowles BA 2 planar ( i think, not sure ), wide soundstage and really thick vocal.
>TRN Conch Pro, 1DD glass diaphragm, warm and thick vocal focused signature with limited treble extension.
Oh yeah im getting these

>>107006176
>music production
they do things after the final mix you wouldn't believe. 5 DSPs, EQ, 10 more VST filters, EQ, more audio filters, EQ, then proprietary filters

>>107006211
this. they get buttmad if you try to fix their ugly clipping ear rape bullshit so it's listenable on your gear. their only comeback is "you want to try being the engineer huh? you're only adding more distortion to the 15 other distortion-causing filters I applied"

>>107005952
>anb PZT just disconnected, right?
EPZ did that? which model?

any IEMs with heads like this?

>>107006077
>closed-back
Sigh.

>>107007125
Im just memeing. Hope someone actually make IEM with planar on bass and DDs on mid/treble.

>>107007125
bumping for an answer.

>>106993875
>Truthear hexa
Thank you, pal.
After some google research it appears to me the Aful Explorer, Truthear Pure and Crinear Daybreak may be good options too.
Would the Hexa be the most comfortable among those?

>>107007508
comfort is on an individual basis as determined by you actually trying them.
my opinion, daybreak is better pick

>>107007508
>Would the Hexa be the most comfortable among those?
lol no
daybreak on average will probably be the most comfortable cause it's on a smaller side (comparatively... it's like medium small)
honestly might as well start with bunny dsp instead of buying something that's $100+

>>107007508
get Ziigaat Lush instead of Explorere

ziigaat shell sucks donkey nuts

>>107007990
oh, you tried em? which ones?

I need some advice for a DAP/PMP and set of speakers for work.

>Budget
$400-600 for both items
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
Media will be pirated albums, having the option of running Spotify and/or Radio would be a benefit.

As for the environment, here comes the tricky part: it's a workshop which includes a spray painting hall and several welding stations. It's incredibly dirty, so I don't wanna blow $1000+. PMP/DAP will be stored in a closed container during work (Bluetooth), but the speaker will inevitably get munched up by the dust and paint particles eventually.

I was looking at a FiiO JM21, together with a bunch of cheap 2nd hand JBL Charge 6's (I can buy them for around $30 each, which means they'll be pretty cheap to replace). It means terrible bass and quality but it's better than nothing.

Note that I can't place anything which can produce a spark INSIDE the painting hall as there's a risk of explosion. Battery charged speakers are fine.

I know this is a little bit out of the scope of this general but I don't have anywhere else to ask for advice. Thanks.

>>106990274 (OP)
Can we merge /hpg/ into this thread since it doesn't seem to get any love on this board?
Also my new AKG K371 sounds great, the anon that said they're shit should kill himself.

>>107008330
k371 is shit because the yare closed backs and have shit qc and shit comfort and will break easily
sound quality on them is good tho
>Can we merge /hpg/ into this thread since it doesn't seem to get any love on this board?
no you should fuck off

>>107008382
>k371 is shit because the yare closed backs and have shit qc and shit comfort and will break easily
I need closed backs for my use case though. Comfort is fine for me. The QC thing was for early batches AFAIK, it is supposedly fixed now. I haven't noticed any issues. I also have 3 year Thomann warranty (based Evrope?), so if they break I can return them.

>>107008411
your use case is fucking off to the correct general.

I've never had sex.

>>107007186
KZ Duet but it sucks

>>107008464
the most convenient thing about having a girlfriend is not having to walk to the bathroom as often desu for that alone it's worth sucking her dick once in a while

>>107008427
the headpos general dieded...

>>106998074
>spend $5 on shitbud
>download all the vinyl rips, DSD dsf/dff, .vgm files, adpcm and .tta files of badly-produced doujin music i want for free
>mfw all the dynamic range i can feast my ears on
>mfw i have no face

>>107008411
lol no need to cope I don't care
but as far as sound quality goes k371 is up there

>>107008550
>i have no face
that's what face-melting music does to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHOQ3JRjA9Y

>>107008464
idk but after i bought an edc pro a lot of girls are approaching me

i had 7hz zero2 but i was uncomfortable what should i get now

>>107008583
chu2

>>107008583
Chu 2.

>>107008591
>>107008592
i want to use it for more than 3 months

>>107008598
damn....uh.....chu 2 with qtips and acetone?

>>107008607
what about gate

>>107008612
sure, but that has chink jizz in it. or so I heard

>>107008629
it has a spike higher up and i dont know if it's real can someone tell me

>>106997938
this
it was tuned specifically to sound close to HD650

>>107004218
it's a Japanese composer and the leader of a group called livetune

>>107008639
>it has a spike higher up and i dont know if it's real.
kek I want to help you out on that one but it's way funnier seeing that struggle, whatever it is lol

>>107008583
bunny dsp...
edc pro...

>>107008639
>it has a spike higher up and i dont know if it's real can someone tell me
it might be real or it might be not real

what tips should i get? i had 7hz 08 or whatever but i lost one phone and so one of the tips
>>107008667
i'll high shelf the bitch if it's bad
>>107008663
??? esl ???
>>107008664
i run eq anyway

>>107008598
buy 3 chu2s

I'm actually Indian.

>>107008753
how much pussy do you get

>>107008762
I am an incel like most of /g/

>>107008767
sucks, i like to rail bar sluts while thinking about anime lolis

I got $3 so far from the free $0.50 button

>>107008664
boughted gate and EDC pro

>>107008780
based I would think about anime girls while fucking my last ex

>>107008753
Why do you eat cow shit?

>>107008839
I unironically think that bunny dsp is better than both but edc pro is basically free and gate is pretty decent so it's fiiineee

>>107008583
a headphone

>>107009274
i had hd6xx i just needs IEMs for porn

>>107009309
*have

>>107009650
>>107009650
>>107009650