Thread 107059500

Hodgepodge edition

How to request advice:
>Location (since pricing and availability may vary)
>Budget
>What exactly you're looking for (be as detailed as possible)
>Previous gear and your thoughts on it

>Open back wired headphones
• Hifiman HE400se
• Sennheiser HD 560S
• Sennheiser HD 6XX (US)
• FiiO FT1 Pro

>Closed back wired headphones
• Shure SRH440A/SRH840A
• AKG K361/K371
• FiiO FT1

>Wireless Bluetooth headphones
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/best/by-feature/wireless-bluetooth

>Wireless Gaming headphones
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/best/wireless-gaming-headsets

>Active desktop/bookshelf speakers
• Edifier R1280/MR3/MR4
• iLoud Micro
• Kali LP-6 v2
• Neumann KH 80
• KEF Coda W

>Passive desktop/bookshelf speakers
• KEF Q1/Q3 Meta
• Ascilab F6B

>Headphone amps
• Your PC
• Apple dongle
• Topping DX1

>Interfaces
• Steinberg IXO22
• Topping E1x2
• Motu M2

>Speaker amps
• Loxjie A30
• Yamaha R-S202
• WiiM Amp

>EQ/DSP software
• Equalizer APO (Windows)
• EasyEffects (Linux)
• SoundSource (Mac)
• Wavelet / RootlessJamesDSP (Android)

>EQ/DSP hardware
• Qudelix 5K
• Neutron DAC V1
• miniDSP

>Useful resources
https://xiph.org/video/
https://harmanhowtolisten.blogspot.com/
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php
https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/

>Previous thread
>>107010057

buy IEMs

>>107057200
>So they have less treble than the old version?
According to measurements, they actually have more treble:
https://sai.squig.link/?share=DT770_80_ohms,DT700_proX,DT770_proX_Limited_Edition
https://kuulokenurkka.squig.link/?share=DT_770_Pro_(80_ohm)_**,DT_700_Pro_X_**,DT_770_Pro_X_Limited_Edition_**
But bear in mind they also have significantly more bass.

>Buy high quality headphones
>Literally HD800S
>Don't enjoy then
>Hearing too much detail
>Hear when song vocals are panned to the right (Slightly) and not center
>Hear other things in songs i never heard before
>Concentrating on the music and not enjoying it anymore

This is fucked.

>>107059709
just listen to well mastered music then

>>107059743
Like what? Even Micheal Jackson in FLAC you can hear imperfections.

each and every one of my headphones have their own eq profile to maximize their potential.

and every song i listen to have their own individual eq profiles relating to each headphone's eq profile as well to get the most out of them sonically.

>>107059793
That's just autism. Don't you want headphones that do it all and perfect?

>>107059500 (OP)
How fucking hard is it for china to clone Sennheiser HD600 series pads part number 050635? All the velour ones from Aliexpress and Temu are thicker than OEM so my ears don't even fit through the same, and because they're thicker the bass is muddy and the whole sound signature is fucked

>>107059944
https://dekoniaudio.com/product/choice-suede-for-sennheiser-hd600-series-headphones/

>>107059955
And these if you want basically the same sound signiture;
https://dekoniaudio.com/product/dekoni-audio-epz-hd600-elite-velour-ear-pads-for-sennheiser-hd600-headphones/

It will only make them a tad bit less brighter. Mids and everything else are the same.

>>107059944
china finally cracked the code with soulwit pads, FR is nearly identical with those

>Sub $50
>Comfortable
>Not harsh at the top end
Anything good? Don't care about closed or open, just want something that I can wear for periods of time without feeling fatigued.

>>107059709
>buy headphones with a known excess of treble
>WHY IS THERE TOO MUCH DETAIL?
hurr
durr

>>107059984
>sub $50
you need to be talling to the chiggas in the iem general for that budget

>>107059979
I was just reading about those off a google search. I'm trying to find which listing on Aliexpress or Temu are selling "soulwit" without its name but I'm not having any luck.

Are these the ones on Amazon?
https://www.amazon.com/SOULWIT-Cooling-Gel-Replacement-Sennheiser-HD650/dp/B0D8B1GMZ6

The fact they're not velour and actually a mix of different materials is not giving me confidence

>>107059955
>>107059978
Umm fuck dekoni, real sennheiser ones are just $5 more
https://us.sennheiser-hearing.com/collections/spare-parts-and-accessories/products/annular-earpads-with-disk-pair

>>107059757
some of the better recorded/mastered music is from movie scores or video games. The prior is just a humiliation ritual for audiophiles mostly. Just listen to whatever you like most, most of my favourite music isn't well recorded either it's just something you have to deal with

>>107060050
dekoni are better quality.

>>107060054
>>107059757
but i don't like being that nigger, so i'll try and help you some music i really like with my hd 800.
>Kankyō Ongaku: Japanese Ambient, Environmental & New Age Music 1980-1990 double album of ambient music, very nice with hd 800
>Aimer - Dareka Umiwo
nice album if you like jap music, i like tracks 2/3/4 the most but enjoy the whole album
Midori - Gregorian chants (2005)
Great gregorian chant album, one of my favourites through in and out
>Donovan The Hurdy Gurdy Man
My favourite Donovan album, if you don't like the first few tracks it's probably just not your style of music
>Renaud Capuçon - Brahms: Piano Trio No. 1 in B Major, Op. 8: I. Allegro con brio
easily my favourite version of this by brahms, you can listen past I if you want but part one is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard
>Anne-Sophie Mutter - Violin Sonata in G Minor, B.g5 "The Devil\'s Trill" : Tartini: Violin Sonata in G Minor, B.g5 "The Devil\'s Trill"
probably the best version you'll find of this, I think most people would like it

>Blind Willie Johnson - Dark Was the Night, cold was the ground
it's recorded in the 1927, you'll probably find a rip where you hear the vinyl lows, but it's probably his most beautiful track

theres some other good ambient style music that the hd 800 does really well, but i don't wanna flood this post anymore. I hope someone at least likes one of the songs i posted

i added cat ears to my lcd-2c's and it improved the upper mid range by a whole lot.

>>107059709
>>107059757
It's not imperfections, it's shit frequency response of the headphones. You experienced the headphone equivalent of hearing aids, you're going to love them like 20 years later.

>>107060232
Fox ears work even better.

>>107060223
Basically just listen to sparse music that can't reveal the flaws of the headphones.

>>107060396
expand on this, i've seen this graph posted before but no one ever says anything about it

>>107060408
People were asked to rank headphones, then they were rated depending on how consistently they ranked the same headphone. The more spectrally dense the music the better they performed.

Last christmas I was gifted a Nari Ultimate for gaming use, it's okayish as far as comfort goes, but the sound is... really muddy compared to my Logitech Z5500, I'm looking to upgrade and it doesn't have to be a gaming headset (I can use a separate mic), is the Sennheiser HD 560s the only option? They seem to not exist in my entire shithole country (out of stock everywhere). Do I need anything else like a DAC to get the best out of my games?
Piggybacking on this, since I'm not very knowledgeable on sound issues, is it because the Nari only has up to 16bit/48000Hz (by comparison, the Logitech Z5500 has 32bit/192000Hz) or does that have nothing to do with the headset sounding like crap?

>>107059500 (OP)
my hd560s died, recommend me a replacement that has similar comfort level around the ears like the hd560s with my ears being inside the headphones
pricepoint - 250 up to 300 euro

>>107060449
the razer is just tuned like shit, like most normiecore gaming headsets, ie "muddy".
learn to read fr graphs and how to eq. should tide you over til the hd560 goes in stock.

anyone have any opinions on simaudio's moon 230had dac/amp? I seen it has 10 years of warranty which impressed me a lot because chink slop like the k9 pro was only a year

is there something like hd600 but closed back

>>107059500 (OP)
>>Headphone amps
>• Your PC
Nice joke.

>>107059505
Wrong thread, the "people" that buy IEMs are over at /iemg/, go there.

>>107059991
Correct, those don't have too much "detail" but too much treble. Detail is found in other, higher end headphones (Stax) but not on a Senny dynamic driver headphone.
Heard both the non-S and the S version and both are ear rape.

>>107059757
Just because it's in FLAC doesn't mean you're listening to the good sounding version of it.
Michael Jackson (early albums) sounds absolutely fucking amazing ONLY if you do your research and download the correct versions of it, for this you have to investigate on the Discogs website for the catalog numbers of the non-remastered versions and then research the DR scores / peak levels / waveforms of those catalog numbers and then find a rip of said catalog number to download or buy it.
This is how you do it with all music if you truly care about sound quality. It's how I've been doing it for years now.
For some artists you have to download multiple different catalog number / releases for 1 album and compare each one back to back to decide which one's the best.

>>107059822
There is no single headphone that does every genre as perfect as other headphones can.
This is why I have multiple headphones, each one with a different sound profile that I pick depending on genre and/or mood.
And I never, EVER EQ. If I have to EQ, the headphones are bad.

>>107059984
Two pairs of KSC75. Extremely easy answer.

Are these the best Beyers ever released?

The headpos general is shit as expected. Shoulda bought IEMs.

>>107060927
>hardware EQ good
>software EQ bad

>>107060054
>Just listen to whatever you like most
I completely changed my music taste as I got deeper and deeper in the audiophile hobby and I don't regret it one bit.
I have shittier headphones for when I wanna revisit that music though, but I almost never do that. Always searching for the best sounding music and then it's easier to like it because it sounds that good.

>>107061110
Imagine having less self-awareness than a frogposter.

Why do all these "neutral" headphones always have ear-piercing amounts of treble

>>107060954
dogshit build quality doe

Hey anons can you help me choose witch active desktop/bookshelf speakers between these 4 should I get?
Edifier R1700/R1280/MR3/MR4

Have you used any of these what do you like/dislike about them?

>>107061095
Not even hardware EQ. My main preamp has EQ knobs and I have never even touched them. The whole idea of it is simply disgusting.

>>107061130
I don't understand what you're trying to say.

>>107061330
below $2000 a pair, you're better off getting passive speakers. in general i'd recommend passive speakers, but whatever, memes are hard to counter.

>>107061156
They don't, unless maybe you're not giving them proper amplification. Which neutral headphones have you used or you own?

>>107061553
Huh I'd say the opposite actually. If you're on a tight budget get a pair of active monitors like the JBL LS305 (new iterations) or Adams, or Mackies. If you have good amounts of cash, then go for nice passive speakers with a great amp and a good dac of your choice etc
All of that combined will cost you some good money, but it's a better choice than cheap active monitors no doubt.
Cheap passives + cheap chinese amp and dac is not something I'd recommend at all.

>>107061576
two issues with active speakers.
1. hiss, unless you have high quality, expensive active speakers, you'll simply have a constant hissing noise. depending on distance and how well your ears work.
2. the amp inside will break. especially cheaper active speakers will have shittier amps inside. so after a few months/years they'll deteriorate or simply stop working.

good dac $150, pair of mono amps $400, then make the choice of two bookshelfs, or two bookshelfs with a subwoofer. i'd say always go for the subwoofer, but hey, people differ.

get a measuring mic like umik for $75, and eq your music (to your taste, flat response tends to be very boring)

they look good
they sound good
they are not pricey

>>107061617
>good dac $150, pair of mono amps $400, then make the choice of two bookshelfs, or two bookshelfs with a subwoofer. i'd say always go for the subwoofer, but hey, people differ.
Yeah, and you're right about the hiss and the quality of the amps, but what you described is wayyyy above the budget of the person who was asking about shitty Edifier speakers. It's like $200 tops. So for that price I'd rather get LSR305's (cause its simply unrealistic to expect $100 passive speakers and $100 chinese speaker amp to sound any good) and then once he has enough cash he can ditch them and go with what you described.

>>107059709
>>Concentrating on the music and not enjoying it anymore
this unironically happened to me with eidfier r1700bt. yes i know im a total pleb but i always had dirt cheap logitech 2.1 set up. i finally decided to buy slightly better speakers. everything was too clear and sounded totally different to what i was used to. i miss the old boomy sound of my cheap subwoofer. accurate sound is a meme.

I like my Arya Stealth more than my HD800S. Is this normal?

>>107061743
>accurate sound is a meme
But you never even heard anything close to accurate / good sound, you're only using an Edifier R1700BT which are low end speakers with low end sound.
I think the problem might be your music choices. What do you listen to?

>>107061756
>Is this normal?
Yes because Senny sucks and the one trick pony of that headphone is huge stage but it's not even that big as there are other "headphones" that go even wider. Huge compared to the shitty HD600 tho

>>107061502
Headphones are hardware EQ.
>but I hear transients etc
Frequency response.

So I'm thinking about getting a bookshelf speaker like pic or something similar for my PC but the only place it can fit on my desk is behind my monitors or on the side.
Would that be viable or am I gonna fuck up the sound?

>>107061743
they're not accurate, they're bright with excessive treble and that's what you're hearing

I need a pair of headphones for about 120$ give or take. I had a pair of Koss porta pro with yaxi pads, but the left side gave up, but I was thinking of repairing them. I had some in ear monitors from aliexpress kz something or other, but I lost them, also, in ears usually fall out of my ears, because I sweat a lot and they just don't stay in place.Recently, someone needed a pair of wireless headphones and i recomended soundcore i30 or something like that, and they lent me the pair for a week, and I really liked the ANC, but then again, they fell out while sitting in a train. At the gym used the porta pros because it was rhe only pair I had, and I liked the clamping power but It was annoying to have my walkman always in my pocket and the wire would sometimes get in my way and I would pull on it, and maybe that's way the left side gave in. What to buy?

tl;dr I need a pair of wired or wireless headphones or earbuds for gym use, that stay in place, for about 120$

>>107061617
My cheap edifiers dont hiss, stop spewing bullshit gatekeeping retard.

>>107062006
It is so much more. Stage, imaging, detail, speed, texture, timbre. And then frequency response.

>>107062034
>bookshelf speaker like pic
That's garbage. Do not buy that shit.
You need two speakers (for stereo) one on each side of your monitor and set up high enough for the tweeter to reach your ear's height and then at an almost perfect triangle position between you and them for proper imaging.

>>107062228
I bet they do hiss. Put your ear right against them with no music playing.
In any case, cheap Edifiers aren't even proper contenders for serious music listening, they're barely a step above Logitech.

>>107062381
All frequency response. Since you don't EQ you don't know any better.

>>107061550
>did I buy shit headphones?
>no, it's the music that's wrong

>>107061553
>>107061576
OP here my budget is around 100 Euro pretty tight and the Edifiers are around 95 to 99 here. While the JBL LS305 is 220€. Currently using 50€ headphones (HyperX cloud alpha).
From my research passive speakers are out of my budget.
Maybe I should wait for Black Friday. If have any recommendations I should watch for price drop please share thanks.
>>107062228
Which ones do you have?

>>107062594
keep saving.
at 200 euro you have much more choice.

>>107062034
>behind my monitors
will fuck up the sound completely
generally you absolutely do not want anything between you and your speakers because most things won't let through treble and midrange unimpeded and thus greatly affect sound

>>107062531
If you really think it's all frequency response you've never heard a high end system.
I can assure you I can pick two of my favorite headphones (that I actually own) and no matter how much EQ you use you'd never be able to make them have the exact same sonic qualities in terms of stage or detail.

>>107062584
Oh no, you see, when you use shitty headphones and you listen to shitty music it sounds "fine" because the headphones aren't revealing enough to let you know all that's wrong with the music.
As you go up the ladder and you get higher and higher end headphones you basically need to listen to really good sounding music on them because (if they're actually good) they'll be revealing every little flaw on the music and display a massive difference if you play great sounding music and bad sounding music on them. Basically the better your headphones are, the worse bad sounding music will sound, and that's good headphones properly doing their job. That's why audiophiles with high end systems listen to audiophile grade music. When I feel nostalgic for the days in which I listened to shit like metal, I pick bad headphones.

>>107062594
Sorry man, I don't think I've ever bought anything so cheap. To do well in this hobby you're gonna need some more cash. With so little money I wouldn't bother buying anything at all as you'd simply be throwing your money to the garbage bin.

How come headphones makers still haven't figured out a way to put a sub in a headphone?

>>107063012
Your favorite headphones would make my ears bleed.
>>107063043
High end speakers play all music great, if your headphones don't then they aren't high end.

>>107062411
>Put your ear right against them
Why would I ever do that?

They´re good enough for 90% of people casualy listening to music and notable step up from gamer shit.

>>107062594
R1280T, cheapest from that line. Its all same it just lacks bluetooth and other nonsense.

>>107063157
Because you don't need it, plenty of high end headphones are capable of reaching down to 20hz. Subs are for standard sized speakers that aren't able to go that low (which is most of them) so they are aided by a separate sub, or two.

>>107063157
buy planar headphones.
both my overear sundara and iems with 12 or 15mm planar drivers send more than enough bass.

aliexpress.com/item/1005010010065802.html
Thoughts?
Kinda feels too good to be true, plus the QCC5181 they mention seems to just be a BT 5.3 chip?

>>107063187
>Your favorite headphones would make my ears bleed.
Like I said before, I pick a headphone from my collection of favorites depending on the music genre I'm going to listen to (or my mood at that moment) and they all sound very different from one another. This includes one of them that has a very warm and relaxed (but still detailed) sound. So no, my favorite headphones would not make your ears bleed if you're referring to treble rape, you can simply pick the warm ones if that's what you like.
>High end speakers play all music great
No, it's the exact same thing with speakers as is with headphones. The better the speakers, the more you have to up your standards in regards to the music you play through them. You play shitty sounding music and great sounding music through some Logitech speakers and it all sounds the same (its all the same shit) and the shitty music becomes somewhat more tolerable. If you play the same shit music through high end speakers it'll sound noticeably worse than if you played great sounding music on them because the speakers are good and are doing their job.

>>107063470
Some idiots here will tell you the fact that they're planar has absolutely nothing to do with what you're hearing and all the other anon needed to do was to EQ the bass up on his shitty dynamic driver headphones and it'll be just as good.

>>107063499
>Thoughts?
Stopped reading at Brand: AYINO

>>107063658
High-end speakers play absolutely all music better than logitech speakers. And no music sounds "the same" on logitech speaker. No music requires "downgrading" your speakers. If your headphones aren't at this point then they aren't high end.

>>107063668
>EQ the bass up on his shitty dynamic driver headphones and it'll be just as good.
It will distort and sound like fart noises.

>>107063668
some of them are just less likely to distort than dynamic drivers, it's not like they magically have better bass

>>107063724
What I'm trying to say is that using worse speakers will both mask many of the flaws from bad sounding music and the difference between good and bad sounding music, since it'll all sound mediocre anyway.
Same happens with headphones. Bad / cheap headphones have worse detail / resolution than high end ones, so they're preferable for crappy music because they won't be throwing every single clipping / distortion noise at you and every other flaw in the recording. If you only use high end headphones, you better listen to music that's up to par.
Even though I only use high end headphones and speakers now, I still keep around a Koss KSC75 for when I want to listen to the shitty metal of my less cultured younger days. It masks everything. Even the accuracy of the central image.

>>107063796
No apparently the magic of EQ fixes everything in a non-hifi headphone.
Remember the retard from the previous thread? Dude literally said:
>sound "quality" doesn't exist. FR is what counts. You can eq a 10 dollar headphone to sound like a 500 dollar headphone. And price isn't related to audio quality

I still remember how hard I laughed at that. Guy's probably from Nigeria or something

>>107063934
It's not that they magically have better bass, but they have what's known as "planar bass", which is as much or more impactful as dynamic driver bass but much tighter and faster thanks to the technology used.

>>107063678
Who else but Chang is manufacturing these dongles

>>107064146
You can EQ a $100 headphone to sound better than a $50000 headphone, if you know what you're buying. The actual physical limitations of drivers are easily measurable. All DD and estat headphones are bass limited. Some planars are also bass limited. No headphone is treble limited, any piece of shit can play treble, a bat can play 100kHz. You can get perfect bass for $500 now, and reasonable bass for $100.

>>107063668
What you're describing is simply a question of distortion and maximum SPL. And driver type is a poor predictor of these characteristics, planars with very bad distortion do exist (e.g. Yamaha YH-5000SE) and many dynamic closed-backs have low distortion and are capable of thunderous bass output (e.g. AKG K371, FiiO FT1).

the looks of speakers do affect the sound. no amount of blind tests proving speaker X sounds better than Y will change the fact that you wont be listening it blind at home

>>107064414
I just double dip by getting gear that looks good and EQing it to sound good.

>>107064154
>which is as much or more impactful as dynamic driver bass but much tighter and faster thanks to the technology used.
*thanks to as much/more subbass and less midbass.

>>107064154
>tighter and faster
Headphones do not use bass reflex designs. How can bass be "tighter" or "faster" in a way that is not described by frequency response?

>>107063301
>>107063470
You feel the sub with your entire body. Your brappers flapping 20 times a second doesn't mean anything.

>>107063301
>>107063470
True bass is something you FEEL not just hear. You literally need a sub for good bass.
That's why speakers will always BTFO headphones.

>>107064710
Ultimate setup is multiple subs (8 or more) with some working as active bass traps ( e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bass_array ) + open headphones. Tactile bass + perfect acoustics with no room treatment needed.

>>107064831
But you need speakers in a treated room to properly EQ headphones.

>>107064154
and how do they achieve that, in your opinion?

>>107064849
You could do it in a field outdoors, or hire a recording studio or anechoic chamber.

>>107064831
>sounds in your head
>ultimate setup
Listening to edifiers in a mud hut is better than that.

>>107065043
Stereo speakers are inherently flawed because of interference between channels. Only good full-range speaker setups are mono, high-order ambisonics (3rd order or higher), and wave field synthesis arrays.

>>107065159
You are literally not listening to music as intended if you don't have that interference.

>>107065177
I listen as I intend to. Music producers generally have bad hearing and bad taste. Shitloads of CRT-era recordings have 15kHz hum, presumably because they couldn't hear it. Modern recordings are generally ruined in mastering for better playback on phone speakers and suchlike. The "official" way of listening is probably wrong.

>>107061638
Whenver I see a video of someone dissasembling an edifier it has acoustic foam directly on the electric components and it just feels like a fire hazard

Threadly reminder that HD600 + Apple Dongle is endgame

Under 100$, USA

What is the most modular headphones out there? I'm talking about stuff with alot of after part replacments and a good supporting doc/repair community. So basically the thinkpad/framework of headphones

>>107065510
If you're going that route, just pick an empty shell from alixpress and some drivers, 100 bucks is e-waste tier for anything premade

>>107065510
Build yourself a Capra Audio Satyr 3 or something.

>>107059709
>>Hear when song vocals are panned to the right (Slightly) and not center
it's a feature
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ9WQDojQt8
>inb4 XD

>>107064572
>>107064710
the guy was mentioning headphones, midwits.

>buy an edifier r1280dbs to replace a logitech z313
>can't tell what's changed, ears still tinkling while listening to music
>turn volume down
>everything is clearer af
After all this time, I have realized that I was on boomer mode and set my volume higher af by reflexes just to get some fucking details. Oh god.

>Location
USA
>Budget
~$150
>What exactly you're looking for (be as detailed as possible)
Good closed back headphones so I can listen to music or games or whatever while my BITCH WIFE WHOM I HATE does her STUPID NOISY BITCH SHIT WHICH I HATE around me without the noise bothering me. Listen to a lot of metal music, electronic, post rock, whatever. I would use my IEM's but they're not as comfortable to me, generally.
>Previous gear and your thoughts on it
Sennheiser HD6XX, HD555, Simgot EA500LM, Shure SE215
I appreciate the neutrality of the Sennheiser shit. Wouldn't mind a bit more bass. EA500LMs are nice, a bit bright at times though.

>>107064154
50mm biodynas have the hardest-hitting bass of anything I've heard.

>>107064529
This. People don't understand how transients work. Open up Audacity and synthesize a kick drum using Generate, Risset Drum. Default settings except 50Hz fundamental and 0.25s decay. Basic "punchy" kick sound, nothing particularly interesting. Listen on good planars at the loudest safe and comfortable level.

Now duplicate it and highpass at 40Hz. Something like 24dB/octave (e.g. 4th order Butterworth), which is a common slope for crossover filters, should be enough. Minimum phase is better than linear phase for transients because the human ear is more sensitive to pre-ringing than post-ringing.

Set it looping and solo the different versions. Notice how the filtered version sounds weaker despite the filter being below the fundamental. Highpassing at 40Hz is standard producer "best practice", probably left over from vinyl era when good bass was impossible.

In reality, the only sound with a single frequency is an infinitely long sine wave. The shorter you make it the broader the frequency spectrum. This is an unavoidable consequence of the mathematics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_transform#Uncertainty_principle
"Impact" and "fast transients" in headphones is just sub bass.

>>107066480
>synthesize a kick drum using Generate, Risset Drum
And don't forget to add some silence before and after to avoid clicks.

>>107066531
Any be careful testing any deep bass stuff. Human ears aren't very sensitive to deep bass so you can easily play it loud enough to damage headphones/speakers without realizing it.

>>107066280
FiiO FT1. The version with the wood, remember not to buy the Pro by mistake, those are open back.
>>107060050
Dekoni are higher quality. Sennheiser pads will annihilate themselves in like 2 years unless you do that trick that kind of returns them to the original shape.
>>107061156
Stop buying Hifiman/Beyerdynamic.
>>107063157
There's simply no need. There are headphones that extend to and below 10hz which is below the hearing range of humans. If you want the air to shake with bass just use a subwoofer with open back headphones.

>>107066480
>transients
Aren't you just cutting the first positive amplitude peak with such a highpass filter?
Also similar thing is happening if you have inverted polarity on your headphones, the first and most prominent positive peak gets inverted and the "Impact" is lost.

>>107066895
No, it's just cutting the sub bass. Polarity changes aren't audible.

>>107067292
They are audible in bass if you do an ABX test setup.

>>107066480
That particular filter already has ~1 dB of attenuation at 50 Hz, Audacity is even kind enough to show you, you just have to zoom in (pic related). So what you describe can be perfectly explained by frequency response.

How do you guys eq your headphones? Is there a specific software you use or do you do it through an amp/dac?
Also is there an online database with good eq profiles or do you just do it through trial and error?

>>107067919
Effect is still audible with 30Hz highpass and 60Hz fundamental (negligible attenuation at 60Hz).

>tfw you realize that all mid and high end headphones are tuned to pander boomers
>tfw you have to wait for all the boomers to die out for "audiophile" headphones to actually start to sound fun and good
>inb4 MUH TREBLE
>inb4 MUH HARMAN
>inb4 MUH NEUTRAL
>inb4 MUH CRITICAL LISTENING
>inb4 V SHAPE BAD

>>107067940
Most common way is Equalizer APO+Peace UI

>>107068005
Just EQ it based on equal loudness contour, like with
https://github.com/dpapavas/alsaloudness
Makes any headphone sound "fun" (i.e. loud tonality but doesn't hurt your ears). Basically the "loudness" button from old hifis but better.

>>107068005
>realize that modern target research just comes back in circles to the DF tuning with individual bass/tilt preference
>tfw its been known since the 80s and personal pref adjustment was done with tube amps/pad rolling/mods anyways

>>107068005
>you have to wait for all the boomers to die out for "audiophile" headphones to actually start to sound fun and good
e-mu teak and fostex th900 exist if you want bass fun

>>107060449
i have the same set, go into the eq settings from the razer program and decrease the bass and set the treble according to your taste. i prefer a dip at 250hz and a slight boost in the upper treble to add some sparkle. run it on a good dac through the 3.5mm input. not a bad set honestly, the haptic drivers are honestly nice with the tuning. above 250 can get buzzy. i dont regularly use these because of how fuckhuge they are. eventually i will modify the drivers into a mini wearable bass driver.

I bought a pair of Takstar Pro82s. Why are these 70 dollar closed backs showing up my $200ish HD560S?

>>107060449
>is it because the Nari only has up to 16bit/48000Hz (by comparison, the Logitech Z5500 has 32bit/192000Hz) or does that have nothing to do with the headset sounding like crap?
Lol no, that has absolutely nothing to do with it and would almost never cause an audible difference: https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
The reason is frequency response, Rtings measured it and there's an insane +10dB boost to lower mids and upper bass: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/graph/30567/sound-profile/razer-nari-ultimate-wireless/767
You can try EQ based on that measurement, maybe start with whatever autoeq.app spits out and try adjusting to taste from there.

>>107069302
Because you like moar bass?

>>107060320
retard

>>107069370
Maybe but these aren't even particularly bassy. I think I just prefer closed back headphones.

Also does anyone have a good cable recommendation for Takstars? The one that came with it is ok, but I'd like a slightly shorter braided one or something.

>>107060498
Thanks, I'll play around with the EQ settings and see if I get anything good

>>107068853
Any recommendations on a decent DAC?

>>107069358
Thanks, I am very new to sound stuff so that's good to know.

>>107069422
Anyone? I found one on ebay but it's almost 20 bucks for the cable.

>>107067940
Software: equalizer apo, REW
Database: squig.link
>buy speakers
>measure with moving mic method
>EQ to Harman in-room
>reduce treble by 2dB by taste
>EQ headphones to Harman
>adjust until they sound close to speakers
Any online profile you're going to get will be off by 5-10dB below 200Hz and above 1.5kHz due to positional variation, pad condition and QC, and they won't touch treble peaks at all since they know graphs are completely useless there. Also check out the iemg EQ guide.

>>107069823
>iemg EQ guide.
when's the hpg one coming out? feels like it's mostly interchangeable, and with headphones we can take it further with in ear mics and shit

>>107069422
>>107069705
Nevermind I am stupid, I tested the cable that I've been using with my HD 560S and it works perfectly. so I'll just get a slightly shorter one of those. 1.2m is usually enough.

Looking for a basic DAC amp for my DT 700 Pro X and I guess whatever I end up buying down the line; I don't need a bunch of bells and whistles. Narrowed it down to these three, any specific preference for one of these over the others? Or other alternatives that might be better around the price point?
>Topping DX1 - $99
>ifi Zen Air - $99
>FiiO K11 - $140

>>107059500 (OP)
>• Shure SRH440A/SRH840A
I've heard the Shure A's are worse than the originals is that true?

>>107070048
If I were to replace my Fiio E10K, it'd probably be for a K11. That said this thing drives both my main headphones without issues.

Thoughts on these?

Anyone here use the Fostex TH909? I have the HD800S, SE1000HE, DT1990, ADX5000 etc.. but always wanted to add one for the collection.

I want a warmer sound with less treble, and great separation in instruments like they supposedly have - will be used for gaming, music and watching movies.

>>107059505
Fuck china

>>107060726
Just tape the backs

>>107070048
Spend more and buy something like this'
https://www.fiio.com/k13r2r
https://www.fiio.com/k11r2r
Or
https://www.toppingaudio.com/product-item/l30-ii
https://www.toppingaudio.com/product-item/mx3s

The topping is Chinese but it's very high quality audio gear, very well known in the scene. Buy properly the first time, or buy second time.

>>107070291
Also for the topping most people go with this as the AMP when combined with the E30;
https://www.toppingaudio.com/product-item/e30-ii

Them together will power basically everything, regardless of how power hungry the headphones are.

Are there replacement earpads for the Takstar Pro 82s? It'd be nice to have some that have the same level of comfort but were a bit thicker.

>>107070291
>R2R
Why would you recommend the version with the worse chip? The R2R K11 has a SINAD of only 72, that's worse than basically every motherboard.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/fiio-k11-r2r-dac-hpamp-measurements.60228/
The topping is good, though.

>>107070277
based and redpilled
never fall for the chink meme in literally anything

Anyone here has these? Thoughts?

>>107070516
So I found some on aliexpress, but I'm getting mixed reports on whether or not it's easy to remove the stock ones. How difficult is it to replace them?

Bought me a pair of Cantons 490.2. Thought they'd arrive today but apparently only monday :(
And a Harman Kardan Citation Amp. First stereo setup

>>107062393
Any three points make a triangle, anon. It’s got to be equilateral, none of that isosceles shit where you’re not even in the same state.

>>107070628
>The R2R K11 has a SINAD of only 72
Aaaand it very likely doesn't matter.
You can do a Klippel listening test, I pass at -51 dB at best. Harman research mentions 1% or 0,5% THD audibility depending on the conditions ( thats -40 and about -46dB ) and was probably done on pure sine tones and not real music material oversaturated with harmonics. Marketing materials and measurement autists pushed the distortion and SINAD norms way beyond reason. 72 dB is probly like 0,025% THD and real life system performance below 1% is already considered acceptable, 0,2-0,5% quite good, and the 0,025% DAC contribution is absolutely negligible compared to the distortion produced by a transducer.

I have this friend who is being very annoying by insisting that he’s an audiophile. I was remixing the marathon OST the other day and asked him if the kick was too loud and he told me…..that it sounded great in his car….his 2013 kia soul. How do I break it to him that he isn’t an audiophile? I’m not either btw.

>>107070720
My mate also considers himself an audiophile, except he took me to a headphone shop one day and spent $6000 on a single headphone to place it next to his 8 other headphones, turned on his amplifer and dac that cost around $3600 each
>Why buy it?
>"I needed something new you know bro? i need something with a bit more separation but also warm tone to the music"

There is certainly levels to this shit

>>107070737
>he took me to a headphone shop one day and spent $6000 on a single headphone
Is your friend one of those boomers with too much money who would rather waste all their wealth on garbage instead of giving it to their children?

>>107070757
Hes young, 32 years old has a good job though that pays well.
If you hesitate to buy something or don't want to because it's too expensive and you cant afford it you'll get the
>Wow you jewing out again?
>You fucking tightarse you gonna take the money with you in the grave?
>Money come money go, who gives a fuck man spend it
>etc..

Something along those lines

>>107070757
NTA but my parents are like that, not that I want their money. Today it’s a new corvette, yesterday it was a boat, jet ski, a motorcycle, a giant monster truck and a lifted jeep bought to replace perfectly working vehicles. Getting disabled in the military can set you up for life, honestly.

>>107070737
I know a guy who owns a 250,000$+ system placed in a properly treated room. And he uses airpods while doing sports and a 100$ bluetooth Bose speaker while doing chores and cooking for his family.
I explicitly asked about this once and he said that he needs no fancy equipment to enjoy the music, and his setup is a quality of life feature and a hobby.

>>107070788
This is basically me minus the 250k worth of cool shit. I have so much hearing damage that high if equipment would probably be lost on me anyways.

>>107070783
American boomers are the most selfish and hateful generation ever. They are the only generation that hates their own children and want them to feel miserable.

>>107070788
A lot of them "audiophiles" are just consoomers who are addicted to new expensive things. Even reviewers are just grifting.
Reminder that the le meme audiophile reviewer (picrel) only kept a fucking wireless Bose after he retired with his +$2000 headphones shilling reviews money.

>>107070860
Shit forgot pic.

>>107070867
Actually, what happened to him? I remember he sold his house to live in a van and last I heard he's doing music lessons or something in an old folks home???

How am I supposed to know if headphones sounds good or feel comfortable if there is no company in my country that lets you use them before you buy? No shop to try and listen to a demo. There is for shit that is sub €50 headphones but nothing mid to high end. Thinking about getting the Focal Elegia but for me that's a lot of money to drop on something I don't even know if I like.

>>107070933
You said fifty euros so I'm assuming you live in Europe. Meaning you can just buy whatever headphones you think might be good and if they're not you can always just return them and get your money back. Amazon is even more lenient with this than most EU based shops.

>>107070860
>A lot of them "audiophiles" are just consoomers who are addicted to new expensive things. Even reviewers are just grifting.
>Reminder that the le meme audiophile reviewer (picrel) only kept a fucking wireless Bose after he retired with his +$2000 headphones shilling reviews money.
hello new fag, you could of watched 1 single video and you would know your wrong.
Tyll kept og aeons open/closed, 1 of each and owned a pair of hd 800's. If you watched his video he specifically says for his use he needed mostly anc because his van was so fucking loud while he drove it, and most of the time he was doing chores where he needed wireless audio.
He also pulled a literal trailer with speakers,amps and lighting because he'd go to van fests and put on music for everyone
god i fucking hate new fags here so much, you can't even look up what you say

>>107071027
some more things to add as well as links.
Tyll never owned almost any headphone, he was lent them all to test/review, and if one qualified for his 'wall of fame' the manufacturer would give him consent to keep it till it got knocked off and replaced with a better product.
So when he retired he sent them all back, but a lot of them were out of production, so they were technically his and he probably sold a lot of them, like early audeze prototypes. all of this is explained in link 1.
https://youtu.be/MTd-utS14xs
>retirement video where he states he knows his hearing is going and it isn't his thing anymore
https://youtu.be/-d31eTmqeEk

you literally couldn't of picked a worse person in audio reviewing to shit on. If you picked that faggot in new york who larps as an audio reviewer while saying abyss headphones are his favourite thing in audio you would of had a case.

>>107071027
>>107071085
>MUH BOOMER ECELEB
keep falling for the grift, faggots

>>107071253
I accept your concession tranny.
You don't mention the absolute most subhuman of all reviewers, which isn't even close to a boomer
>z reviews
Idk why so many retarded redditors are on/g/ now but it's getting tiresome. We get it, you hate your parents so anyone who is of similiar age is some how satan stealing money from you

I am hearing a lot of weird crackling static in music now that I have an hd 490 pro and k13 r2r. Is this normal? I didn’t hear the static on my 560s.

For example,
https://open.spotify.com/track/0COqiPhxzoWICwFCS4eZcp?si=68dd03266b85457f
https://open.spotify.com/track/6pjWON6NgnSv1nU5inUlaf?si=d3a51472b3dd4625

Around 40 seconds is I hear static in the original recording, but not the remaster. The static is from bad mastering right? I don’t think it’s the headphones but again, I don’t hear any static with my 560s in either version of the song.

>>107071396
>you didn't mention the other eceleb shill grifter therefore you are wrong
Are you 12?

>>107071582
your wrong for the reasons i stated, you have no base to your claim and you just hate that man for no reason, i don't think about him unless heres brought up here, hes been gone for 7 years.
You mention probably the only audio reviewer your aware of, because hes in your hate category, if you knew about actual audio reviewers you could of mentioned 10 others who actually hit your narrative.
Not mentioning z reviews or crinacle shows your actually just a subhuman tranny

Are Meze 99 Neo headphones any good?

>>107071648
If you like bass they're okay. There's a resonance near 4khz but other than that there're no other issues.

>>107071425
Its the song. Thats the downside with good headphones. They bring up all pops and crackles in a song.

These headphones are made for mixing etc.. professional use.

>>107071799
tragic

>>107071648
>>107071714
>If you like bass they're okay
No they're not, they're muddy as fuck. They sound like having your head underwater. Your pic clearly shows this (+8dB @ 200Hz and -6dB @ 3000Hz). They're absolute dogshit, don't end up like this anon: >>107060449

>>107071425
I can hear the crackling/static/distortion with my HD650. It's much more prominent in the original, but there's still some in the remaster. Dunno why you can't hear it with the HD560S.

>>107070233
You want the closed TH900 for massive bass, the 909 is more treble-heavy by comparison.

I kind of want a new closed-back headphone. Is this bait? I doubt this thing will be discounted to $200 any time soon.

>>107072157
decent enough, but fiio ft1 btfos it easy

>>107070716
THD isn't all that meaningful, 2nd harmonic and 15th harmonic have completely different audibility thresholds, distortion profile matters a lot.
In this case, I'm seeing some very high order harmonics, maybe that's audible with the right program material.
The Klippel test simulates distortion of speakers which have completely different distortion profiles, the results don't apply to this DAC.
In any case, there's absolutely no reason to buy it over the non-R2R version that performs far better and even costs less. R2R is an audiophool meme.

>buy 8" monitors because I wanted more bass
>happy with 8" monitors at first
>now annoyed because they're fucking massive
>consider selling them and getting a soundbar
fucks sake

>>107072782
Thats what wall mounts exist for, get them out of the way, properly aim them and then calibrate them (room correction).

If you're big dick energy, you get specific speaker models that are designed to be recessed in the wall/ceilings and do the drywall work to get them recessed.

Any good FUN eq profiles for Arya Stealth?

Time is running out for me guys. I'm 19 and i'm trying to learn how to sing and play multiple instruments, but i literally sound like shit.

like in a bad way. ive been serious about this for like 3 months and i still feel retarded. im starting to think that theres no hope .gg/HqXZARxwd for me but i sitll feel like i can eventually make something good for someone. i literally have vivid dreams of melodies but i just cant express them.

schools gonna start soon which just means less time to practice.

>>107072224
and the Fiio FT1 gets BTFO by the RIG R5 PRO HS, a $70 gaming headset that pretty much measures the same

>>107073129
how do I unsubscribe from your blog?

>>107072782
get 5-6" monitors and a subwoofer.
monitors in general suck at bass.
had to learn this through buying 5", then 8", then added a sub. different world.

hd490 pro, sony mdr-mv1 or arya stealth?

>>107072284
There is quite a lot of leeway and individual variation when it comes to personal distortion sensitivity. But I can't really recall a single study which mentions values as low as -70dBish even if we talk about "bad" higher order uneven harmonics Also the multitone looks quite even without any random spikes.
Either way, the rest of the measurements and THD are also up on ASR and it floats around 0.02% as I said. My point still stands that it is very unlikely that you would ever hear it with music. With pure sine tones at unreasonably high SPL levels and if you cherrypick a transducer with extremely low distortion - I could imagine this being possible but quite honestly it is not a very realistic scenario
>no reason
Its just fun, also the FR rolloff with NOS can be subjectively pleasant.
Also if we go full autism mode, K11 non-R2R is also potentially affected with the DRE issue
https://forum.fiio.com/note/showNoteContent.do?id=202505282307244133380

>>107073737
not arya stealth, the one that is more comfortable to you out of the other two

>>107073380
You need a sub even if you have towers.

>>107072782
>consider selling them and getting a soundbar
Their all shit
Consider kys

>>107071425
>Shitifi
Imagine just not ripping 160kbps opus off YouTube

>>107070800
Based same all the scars from ear inner infections and wax removal
Surprised I can hear anything lol
And I still hear better then normieals

Bros need some help deciding between the hd560s, fidelio x2hr, and hifiman sundara, they're all in my price range. I'm just not sure which to pick over the other

>>107074282
Hifiman Sundara is the best sounding headphone out of these but the QC is shit so you might end up with a dead driver in a year or two. I'd get hd560s out of these because of that. Other than those FT1 Pro is also pretty good.

>>107074282
HD560s makes a decent EQ platform and should last a while, Sundara QC is questionable and it might break soon, X2HR has tiny earpads and a suspension with rubber bands in them that wear out over time. Would go for the 560s.

HDB 630 or WH-1000XM5/6? Latter is cheaper and has better ANC I think, can always EQ.

>>107074372
The Sennheiser ones come with real 10-band PEQ onboard, as opposed to Sony's preset bands, and are advertised as having twice the battery life. I'd just go with those. The price difference between them and the XM6 is also only $50 or so.

>>107073753
Well, there's the meme example of 40Hz + 3kHz (75th harmonic) where 3kHz is easily audible at even -80dB.
>Its just fun
What's fun about it? Even if one doesn't notice a difference, I see absolutely no advantage or anything else that would make it more fun than any other decent DAC/amp.
>rolloff with NOS can be subjectively pleasant
Just use EQ, it's not that hard and far, far more versatile and adaptable.
>Also if we go full autism mode, K11 non-R2R is also potentially affected with the DRE issue
>https://forum.fiio.com/note/showNoteContent.do?id=202505282307244133380
Should be fixed in firmware, according to that link. In any case, there are options other than the K11.

Just got some Fiio FT1's after >>107066726
suggested. The cable is kinda shitty, and I'd like to replace it. Any recommendations? The cable it came with uses TS connections for the cans, does it matter if I get one that uses TRS instead?

>>107074621
>does it matter if I get one that uses TRS instead?
As long as the connector is the same size there shouldn't be any issues even if there's more rings.
>Any recommendations?
Openheart cables or Tripowin Granvia. Alternately, Hart Audio cables if you want something modular. Granvia doesn't always work great with every interface since the shrink wrap is a little too long, though. I had to cut the wrap on mine and apply a shorter one otherwise it wouldn't lock with the connector properly.

>truthear hexa + fiio ka15
i want a small and portable setup for work and commute. good pick? or maybe theres something better these days

>>107075311
Truthear Gate is better and it's a fraction of what Hexa costs but Hexa is fine too. Better build quality, at least. Zero Red are also fine and better than Hexa imo but the nozzle is a little long. But again, Gate is better than those, too. KA15 is fine, make sure you check the firmware and update if necessary.

>>107075311
>ka15
>portable
Just get tanchjim bunny dsp, bro.

>>107073737
I have the HD490 and Arya Stealth. I like the Arya Stealth way more. It has a wider soundstage and it has that nice large headphones sound.
I'm planning to get the MV1 in a month or 2.

>>107074372
I was on the same spot as you and ended up with the HDB630. I already own a HD560S and quite like its sound signature, so I wanted something similar to those but in a closed back form with ANC. The XM6 main thing is its best in class ANC, but apparently its sound quality is not great at all. Look up some reviews online and they all say that the HDB630 has better imaging and capability of reproducing details than the XM6, so it's not a matter of just EQ. Granted, I don't own the Sony's so I can't draw a comparison here.

i have a budget of 200 USD, and i am looking for bookshelf speakers for my turntable. I have a jvc ql-a4, paired to a dj pre II pre amp and a yamaha ca-410 II. what do you guys recommend? I can increase the budget if its necessary.

>Previous gear and your thoughts on it
Fidelio X2HR with Dekoni pads - sounds good, fits perfectly
>What exactly you're looking for (be as detailed as possible)
Something different but also more of the same, preferably open, preferably huge with thick soft pads
>Budget
$200+, no hard limit
>Location
Russia

Always wanted to try planar
Fostex T50RPMK3 are now on sale for $99 in my area
Y/N?
For reference FiiO FT1 cost $180 here

>>107076838
If you're into modding at all, Tx0RPs for 100 bucks is an easy sell.

>>107076937
>modding
Interesting, I heard they are moddable but never looked it up, all the more reason to get one to fuck around.

>>107070233
If you want warm headphones that still have great detail, you might want to check out audeze. I absolutely love my lcd-2's

>>107077368
The Tx0RP family are some of the most modded headphones around because at one point they were the cheapest, most accessible way to get your hands on a decently capable planar driver.
They're kinda meh in stock form, but the community has figured out a couple of "recipes" that work wonders. Pic related, my Open Alpha daily drivers.

REAL audio generals assembling in opposition of IEM unsightly horde...

my room is like 9m2 is there any hope for me?

>>107077774
For speakers, I mean.

US
Budget 500 to 600.
Thoughts on 1000xm6 vs hdb630 vs mtw4. Soundwise, ANC, rma, build quality after use for a while.

Ive tried the xm6 in store and comfort is good for me.

>>107078084
If you want the best ANC in that budget, Sony.
If you want the best sound quality but only passable ANC, HDB630.

>>107077774
no issue at all.
as always, bookshelfs with sub will get you what you need. ideally you can place the sub about 2m away from your listening position so you can feel it more. and try to put some space between the bookshelfs and you as well.

when you get a sub, get a measuring mic and check which sub frequencies are amplified or cancelled and eq those amplified ones down. cancelled ones will only disappear with a 2nd sub, so don't try to add 24db to a cancelled freq. remeasure after adjust the eq, just because REW says to adjust something by 6db doesn't mean it happens in reality.

check at what volume you normally listen. mine peaks sits around 45db. in a small room that means you don't need a lot of power. so don't go spending insane amounts.

I just bought the Sennheiser 660 S2 after my last pair of headphones finally kicked the bucket (the very first generation of Sennheiser momentums)

I'm a drooling, thumb-sucking moron when it comes to audio, but I do want to have a nice experience

Should I get a DAC to plug my new headphones into? Seems like the thing to do I guess. I've never had a DAC that isn't inside a phone or computer before.

Looking for DAC recommendations
>US
>Headphones only
>main use case is gaming, streaming video, and talking to friends
>Budget... I guess I'm willing to spend up to $200 if it seems like it's worth it

Please and thank you for your assistance

>>107078642
Do you plan on eqing them? Cause otherwise, there are other headphones you'd probably find more agreeable. DAC/Amps that should provide you with enough headroom are for example the Moondrop Dawn Pro, Topping DX1, Fiio K11, or Topping DX3 Pro +.

>>107078642
Also, even if you really want to go with a Sennheiser 6x0 model, the 660 S2 are hardly worth it over the 6XX/650 and 600.

>>107078838
>Do you you plan on eqing them?
I don't know what that is

>DAC/Amps that should provide you with enough headroom are for example the Moondrop Dawn Pro, Topping DX1, Fiio K11, or Topping DX3 Pro +.
I will use these to start my search
thank you

The setup for this evening

>>107078854
>I don't know what that is
Using equalizer software for a custom sound profile. Without it, I'd assume that you'll find these headphones' performance very underwhelming, especially considering that you're used to a good amount of bass, coming from closed backs.

>>107072782
>soundbar
ngmi

Ok I have a question: What will be the effect of placing my left and right speakers at different elevations?

>>107078630
thank you
I was worried about a sub "reflecting" too much in such a small room, if that makes sense

>>107059500 (OP)
use this DT-770 for 8 years now it's finally dead
would not recommend if you drop it and carrying it often

>>107059500 (OP)
Any desktop speakers with a similar style to the Roland MA-8? Or am I just better off putting a shielding mesh over my T6300 speakers and spray painting them?

>>107078868
Then I guess I'll look into how people typically like to equalize them

Also are most DACs also a combination DAC + AMP?

Bump

>>107081042
If it's got a volume knob and a headphone jack on the front, then it's a DAC/amp. If it's just RCA or XLR outputs, it's a pure DAC, and if there's no USB or SPDIF input it's a pure amp.

>>107080416
throw a rug on the floor if you're worried about reflections and make sure you don't sit in a null.

walking around the room you'll notice where the bass is or isn't. ideally you sit inbetween the null and belly (not sure what the english term is). then try to position the sub so you'll have the same feedback at your listening position.

either way don't overthink it, 99% of people just dump their sub in a corner and call it a day.

>>107059500 (OP)
Got Creative AE-7 and Sennheiser HD 560S. I should be using the 'Normal' headphone gain option, right? It's just I keep switching between Low and Normal, and as far as I can tell the only difference is that Low is a little bit quieter, which can be easily offset by increasing the volume, setting it to 5 maybe 6 percent versus 4 on Normal. I guess what I'm trying to understand if I'm losing any 'detail' by staying on Low or is it just volume? Ohms I get I think, but then there's Vrms and what not...

>>107083609
You're not losing any detail by switching to a different gain setting. Generally it's always best to use the lowest gain setting you can comfortably use since higher gain usually also means higher noise. From what I see here seems the low gain is meant for IEMs so you're probably fine just using normal gain unless you hear any kind of static or something similar.

>>107083013
>walking around the room you'll notice where the bass is or isn't. ideally you sit inbetween the null and belly (not sure what the english term is). then try to position the sub so you'll have the same feedback at your listening position.
you're talking about sub crawling, right?

>large diaphragm mic input too low
>crank gain to 11, now audible sibilance
>decide to buy Klark CL1 to boost volume
>plug into mic
>no sound heard
>remove device
>sound heard
went with the klark over the cloudlifter because of price, now im wondering if this peice of shiet works at all.

thoughts, thots?

>>107084430
using scarlette 2i4 as DAC and sterling 151 as mic, forgot to say

>>107084430
>>107084437
turn on phantom power

>>107059500 (OP)
>mfw I didn't get the Debut 2.0s when they were going on sale for $150 somewhat regularly

>>107084449
its on :(

>>107078642
>>107078838
>>107078868
reporting back
I just got the 660 S2 out of the box and plugged them in

I should add that this is my first time ever using a pair of open-back headphones before

holy shit
I need to return these immediately
>can hear even quiet fan noise in the background while they're on
>while I'm wearing them other people can hear what I'm listening to
nope
nope
not doing this
I'm gonna be talking to my friends and someone is gonna say something they don't want heard by someone other than me
or I'm gonna be tugging on my weiner and someone is gonna hear the moaning and meat sounds of some steamy hentai
the idea of using these in public is already out the window
people would be able to hear the music I'm listening to
do you know how much of an annoying faggot I would be
maybe this is okay if you have a locked, sound-proof room, with nothing making any noise in it

okay DACs and AMPs aside
what would be the go-to model of close-back headphones from Sennheiser (my preferred brand, but I guess I'm open to others)
>closed-back
>wired
>over-the-ear

>>107084760
What the fuck were you expecting, they are
>open-back
for a reason.

>>107084760
just want to pop in and say that you are such a baffling retard that i was speechless for a good 10 minutes. take this as a complement, you're a one of a kind specimen young chap
>what would be the go-to model of close-back headphones from Sennheiser
just get the hbd 630 and call it a day man, you're too mentally deficient to think about this too deeply

>>107084875
I didn't understand
I just thought
>oh
>they're open back
>I think I heard someone say that's a good quality for sound or something
>I guess I'll get these
I'm just ignorant

>>107084883
I said
>I'm a drooling, thumb-sucking moron when it comes to audio, but I do want to have a nice experience
at the very beginning
I just don't know that much about this stuff
no need to be rude about it
thanks for the recommendation I guess
I didn't see the HBD 630 listed on either of their websites, but they do show up when you search for them
weird

>>107059979
would you happen to have a link? I just redeemed some cheap velvet OEM-looking ones from ali but they're kind of crappy overall
also curious to see if you happen to have some FR measurements for different HD600 pads

>>107084921
.I didn't see the HBD 630 listed on either of their websites, but they do show up when you search for them
very new, think of them as their totl momentum series
if you can afford the hd660s2, you should get these. decent anc, decent sound, and the features are solid

>>107084921
The HDB 630 are pretty good, though for gamng, the latency of bluetooth headphones is probably a bit much. Wired serviceable Sennheiser closed backs are the 569 and 620.

>>107084961
maaaaan the only thing stopping me is that they're wireless
I had a pair of the original wired-only momentums and then when those wore out I got the very first generation of wireless momentums (but only ever used them wired)
I don't want to have to charge my headphones
and I can already feel that USB-C connector getting loose over time

is there a go-to for
>closed-back
>wired

if I had my druthers I'd get a pair that doesn't have any bluetooth capability to begin with, but I supposed it doesn't matter if I never use that feature

>>107085006
pretty much

>>107080416
Generally you do indeed get more room gain (https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/analytical-analysis-room-gain.23211/) in smaller rooms, resulting in more bass, but that can be almost completely remedied by digital room correction. Essentially, it's lowering the bass by the corresponding amount in the digital domain, with the advantage that you don't need as powerful of a sub as you would in a much larger room to achieve the same SPL.
The poorfag solution for sub crossover and room correction that should work with any 2.1 or 2.2 setup is miniDSP 2x4 HD (DSP) + UMIK-1 (measurement mic) + REW (measurement software, free), see https://www.minidsp.com/applications/subwoofer-tuning/sub-integration-rew.
If you can afford Genelec or Neumann, their proprietary solutions do a pretty good job as well.
Regarding sub position, to find a good position you can also put the sub into the listening position and walk around with the mic, might be more convenient that way than moving the potentially heavy sub around.
What makes a position good? Mostly it's about maximizing SPL but at the same time keeping cancellations/dips in the frequency response at a minimum, because those can't be fixed by digital room correction or only at the cost of significant dynamic headroom.
If you want to learn more in general:
https://www.audioholics.com/room-acoustics/history-of-multi-sub-sfm
https://www.audioholics.com/room-acoustics/room-reflections-human-adaptation
https://aes2.org/publications/elibrary-page/?id=17839
Toole, Floyd - Sound Reproduction (3rd and older editions can be found in the usual places)

>>107083013
>throw a rug on the floor if you're worried about reflections
Doesn't do shit about sub-bass frequencies. For that, you would need bass traps, and real bass traps at that, not the falsely advertised shit that some companies sell as bass traps and that don't do anything to bass.
See:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/acoustics-insider-the-complete-guide-to-bass-traps-and-bass-trapping-v2-pdf.271485/
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/quest-for-real-bass-traps.37170/.

>>107060223
>Midori - Gregorian chants (2005)
How good is this album, really? I can't find any recordings online and I can only find the CD to ship from the UK to the US. Is it worth the ~$20? Like me some good chants.

So Takstar Pro 82 isolation is semi-open tier, technically it's semi-open if you use the bass switch because it opens holes to change the FR, letting more sound in.
Any inexpensive (100+-) closed backs that actually seal well while sounding good?
I order from EU or China

>>107068005
dumb bass nigger

>>107085175
>>107085184
thank you for the resources, man

Best headphones available in the market right now. Anyone disagreeing is an elitist who wantonly throws around terms like "sound stage"

>>107085339
now show us the case

>>107085383
? your point

>>107085532
legitimately embarassing, what is wrong with you

>>107085542
state your case or remain utterly BTFOd!

How're the Sony MDR-7506s as a dt 770 pro replacement? Not really looking for anything >150€.

>IEMs need multiple drivers for proper full range
>Speakers need multiple drivers + tweeters + subwoofer for proper full range
>Headphones only need 2 drivers
Why?

>>107083609
Think of it this way, for me personally; when it comes to gain. If I'm using the HD650's for example which want a lot of power - at low gain, where is the volume knob to achieve good listening level?
If the knob is at the 2-3 o'clock i flick the gain higher until i am satisfied.

This also comes into play when you have a high quality Amplifier / DAC, to where gain outputs virtually zero noise that you can hear.

>>107086361
>speakers
they need both due to driver limitations. the ideal speaker is made of coaxial drivers
>IEMs
not true, you can achieve proper full range with singular drivers. multiple drivers are used to tune the FR to what is desired
>headphones
not useful despite the fact that most headphones cannot properly extend into sub bass range. having multiple drivers adds so much negative and arguably no benefits at all

>>107086124
I literally did the same thing after a decade of using the 7506s. You'll be happy, pull the trigger.

The 7506s are notoriously flat, which is good if that's what you need for producing/mixing. The 770s have better low end IMO but I think that could be contributed to the actual shape of the headphone, idk anything about drivers or freq resp comparisons of the two, but its my general intuition the low end has a bit more oomph. The 770s are certainly more comfortable and for the price range I think it *is* a slight upgrade overall. Get the 80ohm unless you have the hardware to drive the higher ohm one.

EQ is placebo

>>107086634
Thanks anon, I was thinking of the other way around but I guess I'll just buy a new pair of 770s then...

>>107086640
no
EQ is Cпacибo
it might sound the same but I assure they are very different words

>>107086665
Oh, OOPS! Yeah, I would say in terms of sound quality the 770s are better if you're gaming, listening to music/movies... If you are actively working in a DAW you will definitely want the 7506s, for sure.

>>107085006
>569 and 620
>>107085013
>pretty much
The HD300 Pro is probably alright too desu

what's the best standalone mic for gaming if I already have a decent pair of headphones? All I care about is minimizing keyboard sounds

>>107087388
sm7b if you want muh radio/streamer sound or any cardioid microphone really

>>107087019
I just went with the 620
I'm willing to blow a little bit of money with the expectation of getting lots of use out of these for the next 4-8 years

>>107087441
Report back when you get them, I'm morbidly curious to get your opinion now.

>>107088003
thanks to amazon they arrive tomorrow morning
will report back
but keep in my I am not an audiophile
the most useful commentary Ill be able to offer you will be how comfortable they are on my head and ears

>>107088033
>but keep in my I am not an audiophile
This is precisely why I'm curious, usually only audiophiles are willing to spend that much money on a wired headphone, the average consumer at this price point prefers wireless basshead-tier shit. Getting the viewpoint of a newbie about a mid-tier (arguably almost high-tier?) audiophile headphones is fascinating and interesting in its own right.

>>107088051
I look at it with the perspective of that one quote from the RLM review of the star wars prequels
>you might not have noticed it
>but your brain did
so I assume that to a certain extent I can get a better experience even if I'd have a hard time putting into words why it's better
who knows
Ill probably just think it sounds the same
if I go looking too hard for differences then I bet my brain will start imagining differences that might not actually be there

I'm not looking to justify my purchase
I just want high quality tech that works and doesn't annoy me

>>107088092
>>107088051
I don't want to belabor this too much but I'll say one more thing before I'm off

when it comes to YouTube videos something I've heard as advice given by different creators from wildly different niches is essentially the following
>if you make a video with a horrible dogshit camera, but a good microphone it will still be watchable
>if you make a video with an amazing camera, but a dogshit microphone will be almost unwatchable garbage
that tells me that we're doing a whole lot more with our ears when CONSOOMING media compared to our eyes. even if it's your eyes that you give the most *conscious* attention
so it's worthwhile to get a nice pair of headphones even if I'm not an audiophile
but I'm a layman and I dont know much

>>107088092
The first time I bought an audiophile-grade headphones ten years ago (my now late Sennheiser HD 558, RIP), I was instantly blown away by the sound quality when compared to the shitty sub $50 "gaming" headsets I used up until that point. Of course, if you are coming from more expensive headphones, the gap will not be as absurd, but here's a suggestion: spend an entire week using the HD 620s (as long as you don't instantly hate them as it was the case with the previous one, since you didn't know what you were getting into), listening to your favorite tracks, then try to use your old cans again, you'll instantly notice the difference.

>>107084159
>>107086405
I'm not hearing any kind of noise or static at either Low or Normal gain. Again, even on Low gain the volume level required for comfortable listening is about 6% for me. I guess I'll stick with Low then. Creative labeling Low as IEM is a bit confusing, and also the Ohm mismatch between gain options and headphone specs makes me think I'm using them wrong.

Was looking for a replacment for my CX31993 and saw they now make dongles with an additional MAX97220 amp chip. Is that a meme or would it allow me to drive headphones like a hd6X0?

Bought an ath m50x as my birthday treat to upgrade my old cheap sony mdrxp450 because I like a bit of bass and I mainly use for music and gayming
Do I need to go the finetune eq route for this or just normal eq is fine? Currently All I do is changing the mid to 3+db because it sounds a bit low for me personally and using spartial audio speaker mode thing of GG Sonar

>>107059500 (OP)
I recently got a pair of kef reference bookshelf speakers to replace the ls50s with.
I have two bigly svs subs as well.

Neighbors called the cops what do bros gonna crank the15" subs even higher

>>107089146
When I still lived in a condo when my neighbors would do that I would play test tones at 15hz at high volume and put the subs against our shared walls.

>>107064201
>All DD and estat headphones are bass limited
No, but I can see what kind of music listener you are. Harman lover, niggabass lover.
>>107064201
>You can EQ a $100 headphone to sound better than a $50000 headphone, if you know what you're buying
Keep telling yourself those lies lol. Just because the HE-1 is extremely expensive (it's a statement piece) and really not that good (because it's Harman tuned) doesn't mean you can turn a $100 piece of shit poor people dynamic driver headphone into something that performs like an estat through the magic of EQ.

>>107064201
>You can get perfect bass for $500 now
Not really, estats don't go that cheap. You can convince yourself that dynamic driver bass is better though.

>>107089155
based. another option is get tweeters, place outdoors pointed at your neighbors windows, play 13KHz test tone at max volume

>>107089460
If its MFH then you can use car speakers but same idea

>>107065226
>CRT-era recordings
The best recordings are from before those were used to make music.

>>107065452
Same old bad bait.

>>107067292
>Polarity changes aren't audible
Wrong polarity sounds extremely fucked up.

>>107069823
>>EQ headphones to Harman
Absolutely disgusting.

>>107071714
Considering Harman already has too much bass, the fact that these have EVEN MORE just tells you how absolutely fucked those headphones are.

>>107089428
>>107089452
Estats can't even finish the distortion test lmao, absolute dogshit. This is what $500 gets you today, get with the times gramps.

>>107074282
>fidelio x2hr
Do not get these. They sound horrendous.

>using headphones for TV
No! Home Hi-Fi setups must retvrn

>>107076320
Get some Acoustic Research. For that price I got AR93's and they're really good. Dual side firing 8" subwoofers on each speaker.

>>107089633
There's something kino about smaller CRT TVs paired with large speakers

>>107068147
Literally the DF tuning of the 80s was peak, only zoomers who crave that niggabass (aka not real audiophiles listening to audiophile music) and want even more bass and then call it Harman, it's laughable. And then they EQ even more bass on top!

>>107078867
Photo so dark I can't even see what headphones those are.
Retire from photography or learn to use exposure or learn to lift shadows in post.

>>107086460
>most headphones cannot properly extend into sub bass range
Get better headphones.

>>107086640
It isn't placebo, EQ is extremely effective at making shitty cheap headphones sound tolerable, ideal for people who are too poor to afford proper high end headphones that don't need fixing.

>>107089807
Not a single headphone in the world doesn't need fixing.

by some blind luck some random glitch in amazon's system made them send me a mixer?? Like the box has no one's name on it and it's my address and none of my neighbours say its theirs either. Wtf do I use this for?

>>107059500 (OP)
since when is there a hifi general on /g/?
should add a diy section for turboautists like myself. building a a coax with pic related, 8inch coax, inspired by kef and mofi. love the q1 metas i have now but i want to upgrade and i dont want to pay 1k+ just for a slightly better crossover and a fancy baffle, so im taking matters in my own hands. will be bi amped with a pair of topping pa5 plus and paired with a minidsp flex ht for crossover, eq and all that good stuff. will post some rew data when im done making them if the general will still exist by then and might make a schematic if anons itt will be interested.
also op, might want to add topping to amp section since they make some really good stuff. fosi too makes pretty decent amps for cheap. the v3 mono in particular is very good but is a monoblock. also to the eq/dsp software section maybe add dirac live. its expensive as fuck, but damn does it do a good job for eqing.

sorry for noob question, can i connect q20i to desktop PC?
i didn't get any dongle it just came with headphone only

>>107089123
I heard a friend's LS50W's (I think they costed 2K at the time) and I was extremely disappointed with the performance for the price. He loved them and played them really loud (he loves psytrance music with tons of bass) but I played my more refined audiophile style music to test them out and it just sounded like the average speaker with some extra clarity but way too much midbass. Idk who buys those.

>>107089565
Which distortion test? Estats are known for having extremely low distortion, and that's one of the reasons why they sound so good. I'm not saying ALL of them are great of course. For the best ones you either go 1980's or niche lesser known stuff. But it's the cream of the crop. And it effortlessly reaches down to 20hz.

>>107089633
Unfortunately it's absolutely impossible to acquire picrel in 2025. You'd have to spend outrageous amounts of money. That CRT alone is one of the biggest ever made and there's barely any around.

>>107089658
Unfortunately those speakers are placed waaaay too close together. Ideally: 4:3 CRT in the middle, space space space, hifi speakers. That's how I do it for my 90s anime.

>>107089821
Wrong. All you need is for them to be good, to align to your listening preferences (which hopefully is neutral as we're audiophiles here not niggabass lovers) and a good high end amplifier and dac to match.

>>107090270
>Which distortion test?
The test you're looking at. They die before reaching 114dB. Literal $30 headphones don't have this problem.

>>107090356
There are no good headphones.

>>107090361
Which headphones have that issue? I bet its one of the bad estats.
Also, who listens to music at 114dB? I barely ever go above 70.

>>107090371
You poor sad soul. Try saving up some cash. High end headphones on a high end setup make me cry with how good it sounds. My girlfriend too. No need for EQ, it's simply that you get what you pay for... if you're good at making purchases that is.

>>107090383
>Which headphones have that issue?
Sr-009s, nectar hive, koss esp. Basically all estats he tested.
>Also, who listens to music at 114dB?
https://youtu.be/zTEQmmG6TzE
Headphones should be able to handle 120dB peaks.

>>107090400
I demoed $100k+ worth of headphones at canjams. Around 40 of them. Not a single good one.

>>107090243
nobody helps, so i ordered bluetooth dongle, hope it helps

new >>107090573

>>107090412
Amir is a lentil.
Nectar Hive and Koss ESP95X are terrible estats. 009's are up for debate.

>>107090423
So which are the best headphones you actually own?

>>107090574
Sorry mate, we don't do consumer grade bluetooth shit here, this is about high end audiophile stuff. Can't help you as I know nothing about cheap consumer bluetooth stuff. Never even used one.

>>107090614
Why would I own something bad. I use speakers at home and IEMs outside. If good headphones get invented I'll buy them.

>>107090637
I think you might have some sort of issue. What were your complaints about the headphones you tried?
Something tells me you belong with the weirdos over at /iemg/. Did you know they're so deranged they think they can EQ a $20 aliexpress chink IEM to make it magically sound just as good as high end headphones?

>>107089155
I'm totally doing it cop said to wait until new years hewill turn a blind eye and go nuts lol
Got twin 15" woofers and 3 12" subs

>>107090665
Free IEMs are better than every headphone even without EQ.

>>107090681
Terrible bait. And you never responded to the question. What exactly did you not like about the sound of every single headphone you've heard? I have used plenty of IEMs too btw.

>>107091110
Most headphones aren't even worth wearing, terrible comfort. Most of the ones worth wearing have terrible distortion, something even the cheapest IEMs never have to worry about. But the biggest problem in all of them is tonality that is so far off the mark even listening to podcasts causes physical pain and the treble is literally unsalvageable with complete nulls. Of course I developed my own target on headphones that could handle it, and of course all headphones were very far from matching it, but shit comfort still remains, and you have to accept you're only hearing 90% of audio because some frequencies are literally annihilated.