Thread 107099559

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>Keyboard recommendation template:
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>Find vendors
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list // Up-to-date list of reputable vendors with brief descriptions
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>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!
https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you know how)

>Learn about MX-type switches ("mechanical keyboard switches")
https://rentry.org/mkg_switches // Introductory guide
https://www.theremingoat.com // Switch reviews
https://www.switchesdb.com // Compare force curves

>Split and non-standard layout resources
https://compare.splitkb.com
https://keyboard-design.com

>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound?
https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet)

>Practice typing
https://monkeytype.com
https://www.keybr.com
https://thetypingcat.com
https://play.typeracer.com

>How Cherry switches do backlighting, and why it's not ideal
https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight

>>107099559 (OP)
I came.

nth for zakus

Resurrected the thread to say that I finished modding my V6 Max and the spacebar still sounds fucked. I think it's just very difficult to make an ABS MT3 spacebar sound good. I've decided it doesn't need to be clicky like the other keys, I don't think it even needs to be tactile necessarily. So I just need to go through all the 70 or so types of switches I have and find the right one.

I think it might be the top-out that sounds particularly bad so a "semi-silent" with a silenced top-out might be the right way to go. I'm trying a JWick Semi-Silent right now and it's not awful. But the resonance of the MT3 spacebar is SO thin and metallic. I almost wonder if I need to put foam in it... yuck

>>107099858
Nothing wrong with putting some foam in the spacebar. Hell the leopold FC900R I bought as a gift for someone has it stock.

>>107100685
It's very rare that I like the sound of foam in anything. But this could be a first.

There doesn't appear to be any way to get KBDFans spacebar foam that doesn't involve spending $30+ because of shipping. Fuck.

>>107100969
I'm just gonna have to make my own foam shit I guess

>>107095032
ok I put the scope on the hall effect sensor and it's weird. it's open collector output, normally pulled high. so when you press the button voltage output goes down.
the problem is with the low voltage difference. when switch is installed there's like 2.5Vout, and fully pressed it drops to 1.65V or so.
the diode doesn't matter, thought there would be some dead zone with 0.6Vdrop but in open collector mode it works fine no gain from replacing it.
so adc is reading 2.5V to 1.65V, hence the shit resolution. but I still don't get it, the micro has a 12bit ADC, means 4096 steps. keyboard advertises 0.1mm resolution in 4mm travel, so max 40 steps, which is insanely low.
even with under 1V from total 3.3V, that's still some 1000 steps of resolution that micro would be capable of

the whole hall effect switch is a total clusterfuck based on a plethora of switches and output options combined with a fuckload of sensitivity options. add unknown specs for switches magnet and you got a total mess. which might explain why some hall effect switches don't work on some hall effect keyboards.
what I noticed is that generally south pole should point towards pcb, from switch. but if you're working with unknown magnet strength you're pretty much fucked
see https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slya093/slya093.pdf
and
https://www.ti.com/tool/TI-MAGNETIC-SENSE-SIMULATOR
but you need an online account to use it.
so you need to get something which has the sensitivity you're looking for, based on the magnet you use in the switch. if it's not sensitive you'll get shit output, if it's too sensitive you'll quickly max it out. so you need something which gives high output resolution for those 4mm of travel, and then build your circuit based on whatever tf you settle on.
and again, sensitivity is not up to magnet size/strength, larger = higher flux = activates it sooner. you want something with high output range for those 4mm of travel. you won't get higher sensitivity with stronger magnet

>>107101103
>even with under 1V from total 3.3V, that's still some 1000 steps of resolution that micro would be capable of
if anyone has any ideas on how to increase the resolution do tell, might be something that can be done in software? 0.8V or whatever should still translate to way more steps than fucking 40, at 12bit. even 6bits has more values than fucking 40

what's better? typeplus or knight v4s?

between the two, I've only tried typeplus and I liked them. I used only 205g0 and very little of it and got away with 0 rattle and no tuning

which keyboard are you bringing with you to a deserted island

I'm now practicing typing random numbers on keybr. Possibly the most boring thing I've ever done in my life.

I just found out C64 8bitdo model is the only one that comes with ABS switches.
Is it because of SA profile and original C64 using ABS (assuming)?
Any of you have experience with them, are they slippery or nice in touch?

I like C64 color scheme but would prefer PBT - although don't have much experience with mk anyway

>>107102180
I've never heard of PBT SA, which makes me wonder if it can't be done for some reason

One of the amber switches on my evo75 already died

The masking tape method for making a template to cut fabric/etc for inside your keyboard really works btw. ChatGPT was right

>>107102778
How early did it die?

>>107101103
Maybe simplifying to 40 ends up being faster to process or something. I'm not sure what benefit you'd actually feel by going up to 1000 step resolution on the switch.

(I don't really have anything useful to say. Just felt the need to reply since you're effortposting)

>>107103419
they are using x10 more steps on TMR, so 400 steps. which is also not even 9 bits. doubt it's processing, must be something related to implementation or future marketing since they can sell the same shit with higher resolution or smth.
>Just felt the need to reply since you're effortposting
some people are interested in building their own HE so figured I'd share my findings, maybe it's useful

>>107103306
2 months in, the I key.
I knew the switches weren't great before buying and anticipated them breaking quickly but geesh

>>107102218
aliexpress seems full of double-shot PBT SA keycap sets

https://blackdrop.net/projects/ccrx-se

You guys gonna jump on this project? Looks interesting

>>107103875
Aliexpress """PBT""" is what the rest of us usually call ABS

>>107102218
Signature Plastics does PBT SA, but only for sets you basically have to cobble together on your own if I recall. They're not doubleshot either, but dye sub only.
The issue, besides designing new molds for PBT, from what I've gathered is that manufacturers often don't let the caps rest long enough to prevent warping and thus they usually get fucked up tolerances. My MTNU sets (pure PBT from GMK, not SA) all came with warped spacebars, and they're a lot shorter of a profile than SA is.

>>107105168
Even ABS spacebars will sometimes warp; shit happens. At least it's fixable with a hair dryer or hot water.

>>107105194
Maybe, but both SA and GMK charge more for keycap sets than entire keyboards cost, so it's a bit inexcusable at that point. For <$60-80 you can expect keycaps to start being consistently wonky, but for $150+ they should, for all intents and purposes, basically be perfect. Also, it would take a few seconds to QC each spacebar or other longer stabilized key by placing it on a level, flat surface to verify if it's deformed or not, which should come with the price they charge, too.

>>107105250
>SA
Meant SP* here for Signature Plastics.

>>107105168
>My MTNU sets (pure PBT from GMK, not SA) all came with warped spacebars,
Scary stuff. Fortunately my MTNU spacebar was OK.

>>107105250
Yea I get it, it's pretty fucking annoying especially for the price paid. I'm just glad I don't have to deal with warped spacebars (or stabilizers) because the largest key my board has is 1.5u.

>>107101103
I can't tell if you're asking for help or blogging. What adc are you using to measure the hall effect? Are you using an adc on a mcu? An external adc? If mcu, What mcu are you using? What are you setting the vref to? Are you using an external vref? Where is the source code of the adc setup and read?

>>107106356
I don't think blogging is a crime. It's not like he's just giving us a daily update about his life, he's detailing his keyboard DIY adventures.

>>107106356
>come to a keyboard thread
>"why are people posting about their keyboard projects?"

Asian anons... what do you call the sort of Asian guy who's into this

>>107106356
>I can't tell if you're asking for help or blogging
sharing info I found on my P1 HE for others that want to build their own HE PCBs. some people want to do it, HE or TMR.
>What adc are you using to measure the hall effect? Are you using an adc on a mcu?
one in micro
>What mcu are you using?
not my choice, Keychron chose it. stm32f402 which is a chinese version (compatible) with stm32f401
>What are you setting the vref to?
vref seems connected to a 3.3V supply through a Schottky diode. micro is not powered form 3.3V but from 3.0V. opamps feeding the ADCs are also powered from that 3.3V supply.
>Where is the source code of the adc setup and read?
>https://github.com/Keychron/qmk_firmware/blob/hall_effect_playground/keyboards/lemokey/common/analog_matrix/analog_matrix_scan.c
>https://github.com/Keychron/qmk_firmware/blob/hall_effect_playground/keyboards/lemokey/common/analog_matrix/analog_matrix_type.h
>https://github.com/Keychron/qmk_firmware/blob/hall_effect_playground/keyboards/lemokey/p1_he/mcuconf.h
>https://github.com/Keychron/qmk_firmware/blob/hall_effect_playground/keyboards/lemokey/p1_he/halconf.h
there's some 6 bit stuff in there tho not sure if it's limited by something else or what

Need a wireless one with hall effect switches

if I buy a 60he V2 with a split spacebar in ISO layout will I get cucked by aftermarket keycaps due to the split?

>The split spacebar is from left to right a 2.75u, 1.25u, and a 2.25u key. These are common keys on an ANSI layout. It's the same as Left Shift, Ctrl, and Right Shift key.

>>107107042
so keychron?

>>107107048
2.75+2.25u is standard for alice so it’s pretty well supported. alice space was born from using left over shift keys so in a worst case you can always do that

don’t buy chinkshit on ali for keycaps and you won’t have an issue. an hhkb 6u or 2x 3u is where you might start running into issues if whatever you’re buying doesn’t have an add on spacebar kit, and even then many kits only include a single 3u

>>107106929
i dont this the limit is set by something else. I just think they chose 6 points of actuation. Could probably be expanded with little effort. You could also always ask in a github ticket.

>>107107113
looking at ISO keycaps, most don't seem to include more 2.75u caps
say you go full rgbtq+ and buy RGB caps like aura or pudding caps

>>107107061
seems like it's only them, not very expensive either

so what's the point of anything other than buckling springs?

>>107106406
I wasn't saying it was bad if he was blogging. I just didn't know if me looking into the issue was something he actually wanted or if he was just documenting progress

>>107107048
If you want a convex 1.25 key (1.25c) they can be harder to find.

>>107107297
considering normie stores have them the k2 he and whatever feel very good to me compared to keyboards that feel like pure shit from the mainstream gaymen brands
on sale pretty cheap
but the software seems to be worse?

>>107107297
I remember when people shilled the IBM boards as the holy grail
is that still a meme

>>107107348
that seems like a normal function key though
I'm thinking the middle function key would be pretty gud on a 60% board no? if you gonna use layers with your thumb
idk never used something like that

>>107106929
Looking at the datasheet, I can't tell why they implemented it the way they did. You're right, the code caps out at 40 steps which makes no sense. The only thing I can think of is that they implemented it this way for convenience because 40 steps is still technically a lot. Just way less than the 12 bit resolution of the adc. Might be worth changing the firmware just to see what breaks if you were to arbitrarily change the 40 to 140 or 240 or whatever. It shouldn't be hard to do because that 6 bits looks arbitrary as well as the random > 40 checks they do as a cap.
> if (profile[i].global.act_pt == 0 || profile[i].global.act_pt > 40) profile[i].global.act_pt = DEFAULT_ACTUATION_POINT;

>>107107385
>>107106929
Ok nvm. The reason why they cap is at 40 is because they're using units of 0.1mm commonly. The HE sensor saturates heavily (according to their datasheet) at 4mm. So 40 is the cap because 0.1mm is the unit of choice. You'd have to change the common unit from 0.1mm to the smallest resolution your adc can handle. In your case your Vh is 3.0 and your Vl is 0, so you have 0.000732421875 V per bit. However, the HE sensors low is 1.65V and high is 2.5, so you'd have to take that subset and then find the smallest unit you could use given your range is 0.85V with a bit resolution of 0.000732421875. (My math could've been wrong there. Fact check me...)

Not sure why they chose 0.1mm as their unit of choice though.

>>107107382
>is that still a meme
yes because it's true and every other keyboard i've tried feels like a toy

>>107107297
You miss typed beam springs

>>107107474
probably sucks huge dongs for gaming so seems like a meme at this point clinging to relics
not sure I used on back in the day
memory failing

>>107107264
I don’t know about ISO but shine through caps are always lower quality. Pudding in particular are cheap trash.

>>107106929
I can dig into this more later once I figure out how to compile qmk lol. I just need to figure out where they're converting samples to actuation counts and doing those comparisons.

Can I lubricate 123 Cherry Reds with a single dish of 205g0?

>>107107297
people who want linear switches and/or quiet boards or to game
otherwise buckling springs and beamsprings are great tech

>>107107644
>but shine through caps
seems like abs yes
>Pudding in particular are cheap trash.
pbt tho?

idk, not like im gonna waste money on that
ok I will take the custom keyboard meme and buy ultra premium non see through caps
maybe

>>107108009
>or to game
If you think you can't game on buckling springs you are a moran. If you are playing games that require NKRO, you are a moran.

>>107108064
If only wooting had proper facing leds

>>107108104
>jew kay
sadly, I don't have the loicense to purchase this
wooting standard bitch caps are already see through
talking more rgb though

>>107108065
>If you think you can't game on buckling springs you are a moran
I mean you can, but I doubt you can actuate repeatedly as fast as on a linear switch looking at my friend who uses a Model M13 who I play with/against

Hot take; shine through keycaps suck; LEDs are cool but they are silently deadly to your eyes. Having bright keycaps with bold legends is more healthy than LEDs which dazzle and strain your eyes slowly.

>>107106929
Thanks anon, you've inspired me to dig out my TMR and HE sensors and give making them work another shot

please stay around so you can hand hold me with your brain ;_;

>>107108493
most people think that anon O_O
shine through is heavily frowned upon from what I've seen

its the hall mark of shitty gaming keyboard

(I unironically love jelly and pudding keycaps tho, but I'm white trash)

WS Aurora Clear (UHMWPE bottom) seems to attenuate the bad MT3 spacebar sound significantly on my Keychron V6 Max. Swapped in the JWick semi-silent stem for silenced top-out, and it was nearly there.

Cut a bit of felt to stick in the space bar and that helped, so I stuck it in a bit more permanently with double-sided tape. It's not perfect but it's way more tolerable now. I can probably just be happy with this keyboard for a while before I feel the need to fuck with it again.

And I didn't have to spend $30 on having spacebar foam shipped to me, so that was nice.

Also I'm glad I removed the battery, which was a pain in the ass to do because it was so thoroughly glued on there.

>>107108009
>>107107633
lmao weak ass niggas have a hard time pressing a buckling spring key lol!!!! why the hell would it be an issue gaming

>>107107576
I'm super tempted to get a beam-spring keyboard with my next tax return (assuming the gubberment isn't still on fire and they aren't processing that) but I already have a buckling spring keyboard from the same guy.

Im going to totally btfo the USB C faggot, preliminary tests show even tho they are shielded im able to get a ton of data from them with a 3 axis magnetometer and a linear HE sensor. Prepare to get absolutely cooked fahgpt

>>107107216
I think there's 40 points of actuation, they used 6 bits for the actuation, at least as far as I can tell. 2^6=64 points. and they advertise less than that ,0.1mm ticks for 4mm travel, so 40 steps, which fits the 6bit in their files

>>107107385
>>107107463
thanks anon. so I wasn't crazy thinking it can do more precision. I'll start experimenting after I assemble it back
I want test something else before putting it back together, switch sensitivity. going to move it to the side of the sensor and see how it picks it up.
I'm not convinced on the whole TMR is better thing. what I know is that ye they can be more sensitive and they draw less power, which is useful for battery applications. but if I can increase the resolution for HE then TMR is pretty much irrelevant for me, I don't care about battery, took it out anyway.

>>107107463
ah yes, high is 2.5V or so and low is 1.65V so there's 0.85V for full travel. and 3.1V for Vref means ~0.00076V step at 12bit. that still means some 1100 steps, ideal, but even 800 or so would still be double than TMR is advertised these days (0.01mm).

ok did some more measurements and found some interesting and rather good news.
I took a switch apart so I can play with the magnet stem. I wanted to offset it to HE sensor just to see what happens, but centering pins kept the switch way too much above the pcb.
so I tried a few positions, I put the magnet centered with the centering holes, on each side, and I still got a reading. there was about 300mV deflection in those areas. which you know...is usable, with higher resolution sampling. but this was some extreme case
I also tried it somewhere in between the center of switch and one of the side centering pins, trying to emulate the HE sensor being mounted to the side of the hole like TMR are, and I still got a reading, like 500mV or so (2.15V).
so I don't think they absolutely have to be right under the switch, they can be mounted to the side, with lower sensitivity, but they work. the question becomes if 500mV delta is usable.
another thing I tried which I found interesting was reversing the switch, and that seemed to work just as good as normal position. so if you get some north leds HE keyb and want to reverse your switches, it works fine (at least for those switches with these sensors). you'd need clear body switches if you still want the light from leds but sensor reads just the same when switch is 180 degrees rotated.
I tried playing with the magnet in all kinds of directions and angles and sensor read goes the other way around, outputs higher voltage signal.
so sensors are powered by 5.5V, hence why the ~2.7V read, they output 2.7V DC when no magnet around. depending on magnetic pole, it either goes up to 5.5V or down towards 0V.
the magnet strength in the switch is such that when installed on PCB the sensor barely starts registering it. I think the calibration function in the software reads this small offset and cancels it. this way there's no dead zone up top when you start pressing.if you wanna build a keyb first experiment with the footprint on a small pcb

>>107110681
>another thing I tried which I found interesting was reversing the switch, and that seemed to work just as good as normal position.
but will try this again when the keyboard is assembled back, don't know if the plate allows it to be mounted in reverse. but on the PCB works just as well, registers the same

>>107108493
>but they are silently deadly to your eyes.
*stares into a 4000nit peak oled*
nothin personal

PREPARE to get FUCKED haters

> Try to buy a simple TMR development board
>125 dollars
>ok Ill just make my own!
>14-step production making a 3-slit dogbone trace
>need a ceramic layer in the PCB
> multiple differential amplifiers
Yeah.......

There isn't a dedicated mouse thread so I'll use this one to say Keychron's mice are surprisingly really good. I bought an M5 vertical mouse and I'm very pleased with its quality. Also came with USB-A to USB-C adapters in both directions, C to female-A and C to male-A.

>>107110242
If I could get the keychron fork of qmk to compile I would mess around with just making the step size .001mm instead of .01mm and then making the cap 400. But I can't make it compile! I tried it on my mac and on my gentoo. Oh well

>>107112955
you might be fucked tho. +/-15mT or 150G is on the low side, it's probably saturate
https://divinikey.com/collections/hall-effect-switches/products/gateron-magnetic-jade-emerald-heavy-tactile-switches
>Initial Magnetic Flux: 120±8GS (PCB1.2mm)
>Bottom Magnetic Flux: 700±30GS (PCB1.2mm)

>>107113449
wat lol. you don't need any of that nonsense, just put the damned sensor on a small pcb and connectors so you can add power and read output and a switch footprint so you can install one and that's literally it. and choose a chip that fits the switch magnet flux

>>107114268
I'll try building as well see what happens, didn't yet try it

>>107113822
yeah the m5 feels like an endgame mouse for me
the only path forward is to make it lighter even though it's only 100g

>>107114640
my savior anon ;_;
I know how to get the first pololu sensor working thats why I'm using it

I'd rather use this thing https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/allegro-microsystems/CT452-H06MRSN08/22114396

but it looks so complicated to get running and its development board is 125 dollars

>>107115272
that's too big of a footprint. you need something sot-23, or similarly small package.
but this again is a current sensor. you measure current that's flowing through its pins. I don't know how this is related to keyboards.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/filter/magnetic-sensors/switches-solid-state/565
filter for tmr and surface mount, and look for sot-23 versions, that have sensitivity matching the magnetic switches that are available on the market.

>>107115968
phew ok

so I'm buying

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/coto-technology/RR122-1A22-511/11624737

and

https://www.sparkfun.com/sparkfun-sot23-to-dip-adapter.html

for the love of god tell me this is correct

monsgeek fun60 ultra tmr
it's a great board absolutely fucking hobbled by its shitware
look at this
it's the fn map of the board
every single thing in beige is considered a system bind and therefore not remappable or removable, no qmk or via to fix this shit either
e through u is connection type and it's thrown in right in the fucking middle of the board
everything on the right side is fucking rgb garbage
it doesn't have linux drivers so i have to reboot into windows every time i want to change anything
i can't lower the fucking poll rate from 8k but it has a low poll rate mode that also disables rgb that takes it down to fucking 125 or so i'm told, i can't tell the damn difference because it's still drained within a week even with it on

>>107117225
I'm amazed anyone buys Akko garbage at this point

>>107116990
Lol. You've got to be special retarded. Do you even have micro soldering tools?

>>107117225
why not just consoom the following

>>107117283
because tmr is basically high end hall effect according to the numbers i've seen and it's not like they were advertising how shit their software is
this thing was almost half as much and it's tri mode instead of just wired
if i had to refund this damn thing and buy another i'd probably get womier sk75 tmr but right now i'll just cut my losses and pray someone makes a tmr based dactyl or other type of ergo shit

>>107117340
TMR is better than HE, but it's also an emergent technology that's complicated to work with, see >>107116990. There is no guarantee TMR keyboards will have the longevity or durability of HE keyboards.

TMR dactyl is far away; it's harder to align a magnet to a TMR sensor than it is to an HE sensor. I'm sure some guy will figure it out on a dactyl, but it won't be any time soon.

>>107117340
the most important part of he boards is the software no?
which if you fuck up, now you're cooked

>>107117622
i bought it months ago when it was literally the only option
there's a chance they'll let me unfuck their retarded default settings down the line since some r*dditors said their default fn bindings aren't hardcoded, it's just the software that's fucked at least for now and i wanted to vent
the only thing i'm missing is being able to put a numpad layer since there's not a single good line for it but i don't use it that often and i can always have an alt profile that just remaps the base key outright if i need it

>>107117456
i can wait, not like anyone is making worthwhile ergonomic keyboards that are even he let alone tmr
wasn't that expensive, only 100 bongs
and i'm not planning to buy another keyboard until then unless this thing kills itself

>>107099559 (OP)
>boughted a keychron q6
>like the pbt double shot caps
>used to shine throughs though
>learn that the q6 board is south facing layout for whatever reason (also that south facing exists)
>NOBODY MAKES SHINE THROUGH SOUTH FACING PBT KEYCAPS
>settle for abs shit
>shit amateur hour keycaps start breaking after a year
i know this is my own fault for not doing research but really nigga REALLY?

>>107117983
You don't even have to do your own research. You could have just read the thing in the OP that says, basically, Cherry MX sucks for backlighting

>>107117280
shut up im trying my best I know this stuff is way above me
but by christmas i will have a self made tmr switch working and you will still be a loser

>>107117280
you can solder it that component with a regular soldering iron... what are you talking about? yeah its small but there are three fucking pins. dont be retarded
>>107118538
dont listen to that retard. that is perfectly doable, even for a noob. you should buy spares in case you mess up, but that is not anywhere in the realm if undoable with a regular iron

>>107116990
that has digital output for fuck's sake, not analog.
just design a small PCB with a footprint
https://github.com/ebastler/marbastlib
you can find kicad footprints for a HE keyboard switch.
you don't need TMR unless you want more battery on time. it's pretty much useless for anything else. even with higher sensitivity you need to make use of that in software.
manufacturers are pushing for TMR because it makes for 10000000000000 hours of battery time and that looks good for marketing

>>107117225
ye software is where it's at with analog keys. that matters way much more than with regular switches
I also found some shitboards for, and I shit you not, $32, with magnetic switches:
https://www.aulagaming.com/products/aula-win60-he
but same shit, Windows only, and who knows what other nonsense

>>107117983
I boughtered the p1 he because it was the only he with north leds. there was also the k2 but 75% compact isn't my thing. and k series tkl is naked and looks like shit.

>>107118620
>you can solder it that component with a regular soldering iron... what are you talking about? yeah its small but there are three fucking pins. dont be retarded
ye by now I can do 0603 with a fat tip. tho for sot-23 I recommend the "handsolder footprints" in kicad. makes it easier.
but anon will have a panic attack when he sees just how small sot-23 is lmao

Does it actually matter whether I use PETG or PLA for a dactyl? My PETG looks nicer, but PLA would probably be more convenient and that seems to be the more popular choice

>>107119801
>https://github.com/ebastler/marbastlib
>marbastlib-he
>SW_MX_HE - symbol for Gateron Magnetic Jade and compatible (MX style) hall effect switches with SOT-23-3 hall effect sensors. Defaults to HAL9303SO

ok seems that for HE sensors they have to be linear, and should have a sensitivity of at least 1mV/Gauss to like 4mv/Gauss.
If switches are 100Gauss unpressed (at sensor underneath them on pcb) and 700Gauss pressed, 4mV/G means 3.2V which is pushing it for what ADCs can read, with 3.3V power. So get something like 2-3mV/Gauss
part numbers I've seen were used in other projects:
SS49E
Slkor SLSS49E-3 (LTSC)
A1304
GoChip Elec Tech (Shanghai) GH39FKSW

I don't think Mechanical X-point is going away any time soon. I just don't.

>>107119893
Not really. I'm typing on a PETG dactyl right now for what it's worth. PLA starts to soften at 60C so just don't leave it in a black car sitting in the sun on an arizona summer day.

>>107114268
ye managed to build it. you need to correct an oversight of theirs
https://github.com/Keychron/qmk_firmware/blob/hall_effect_playground/keyboards/lemokey/p1_he/ansi/keymaps/default/keymap.c
edit this file and replace subbrand with lemokey. so #include "lemokey_common.h" and at the end of the file change !process_record_subbrand_common with !process_record_lemokey_common.
it built successfully for me, with
qmk compile -kb lemokey/p1_he/ansi -km default
or were you trying to build it for another keyboard?

Are Alice layout keyboards a meme?

>>107121277
My guess is that they're Basically Fine and just caught in an awkward place where they're non-standard enough to alienate the normies but not avant-garde enough to impress the futurists. They're yesterday's meme.

>>107120759
this whole "hobby" is downstream of gamer normie purchasing habits, and in gamer circles mx is going the way of the dinosaur. It's only a matter of time, old man.

>>107121291
I found a cheap one (Feker Alice 98) and was wondering if I should sell my current keyboard (GMMK TKL) for it

>>107114268
works fine see gifrel, but still not many analog options in their QMK fork. but there's a PR that fixes that:
https://github.com/Keychron/qmk_firmware/pull/404/files
should add calibration and the rest of analog functions. using their fork I can only set the controller joysticks/buttons, which works fine. but the hall effect utilities file adds all the rest of analog functions
any ideas on how to increase the resolution?

>>107123897
forgor gif

>>107122465
I don't get the Alice layout. It's probably better than normal row stagger but why not just get rid of row stagger completely.
You will already lose a bit of speed because of different muscle memory, I would just go all in.

>>107123932
It's kind of a weird halfsies measure to the ergonomics of a split keyboard without fully committing, older office keyboards came up with it first

>>107121768
Not only that but HE switches can potentially be like 90% cheaper than mx once the supply chain catches up

hey anons, i want a 100% or higher % mech keyboard that is customizable. no I don't want a tkl or a 60% or whatever I use f keys and numpad and that other set of keys daily so don't try reccomending. if you're wondering what I use now I use a corsair mech keyboard I bought at bestbuy for like 75 bucks 4 years ago.

>>107124245
Fuck you tranny, buy a rainy75

>>107124245
Keychron Q5 or Q6

Hello anons, I'm looking for a very small keyboard for my small table. Might as well get mechanical. I have a Razer Cynosa Chroma membrane one currently. Before that, the RedTranny Kumara broke in less than 2 years or so. I want a keyboard that's identical to that except it's actually fucking durable. What I liked in the Kumara is: Size, PRICE (I'm Brazilian, tech sucks here and my limit is 500 reais), keys themselves, and everything else. What I disliked was that it could be smaller. I like nothing on my Cynosa, it's cancer.

TL;DR: Mechanical with small size, cheap and accessible in Brazil (500 reais tops), and that's mostly it. I use it for programming, gaming, and typing.

>>107124213
they should also be symmetrical with LED diffusers on both sides. no reason to have them interfere with caps, they don't need that bump anymore. they can be installed in reverse and they work just the same.
so magnetic keyboards have no business having south facing leds

>>107124601
Spend alittle more to get the wobkey rainy75 off Drop

>>107125689
>>107124271
The rainy75 and its consequences have been disastrous for mechanical keyboards.

>>107124601
>very small keyboard
Ferris Sweep

blue stars are pretty nice

I get the HMX hype

I don't know how they did it, but the smooth yet gritty surface texture of the keycaps and the sheer buttery smoothness of the key feel and especially the stabilizers having zero rattle or wobble to them makes me question just what exactly have I been doing with my old keyboard this whole time. Like seriously what the hell, how do you get stabilized enter/spacebar/shift/return keys this smooth and stable? No internal pinging or noise either.

Is there a product I can use to plug in a ps/2 keyboard while a computer is already running and use it?

>>107126271
PS/2 isn't hot swappable like USB

>>107126271
People use Arduinos for this; you buy a Leonardo and have it act as the new microcontroller for your ps/2 keyboard.

>>107124271
>>107125769
Should I get one? I need a wireless keyboard that I can carry around with me. It doesn't have hall effect switches, however?

>>107125689
No thanks nigga. I said 500 reais tops and that's final. It looks like a nice keyboard I guess but overpriced as fuck.
>>107125975
Seems nice but I forgot to add that I kind of need at least number keys... sorry I suppose.

>>107126822
the rainy75 is underpriced for what it is. It's like a 400 dollar custom keyboard for cheap. But if you really can't spend more, buy a EPOMAKER P75

>>107126765
rainy75 is heavy as fk not really for transportation. How much carrying around do you need to do? Nuphy and (unironically) Logitech are the best wireless keyboards for pure transportation purposes. How much money can you spend?

Nuphy air v3 for better typing experience,
G915 X LIGHTSPEED TKL if you need extremely dependable bluetooth / wireless

so many chinese companies making keyboards, none are making alphasmart clones with real keyboards.

>>107126997
I will need to occasionally take it with me in backpack. I would also try using it in my lap. 2kg seems a bit heavy for this.

>>107127372
Get the NuPhy Air75 V3, and buy the case for it
easily the best transportation keyboard on the market right now for what you need

>>107127427
That looks cool but it's on the other end of the spectrum I feel. Is there something like a rainy that's simply half the weight?

>>107126765
Don't get a Rainy75 they sound like shit

>>107127450
Yeah get something plastic.

>>107127450
No anon, all aluminum keyboards are like 2 kilos. Rainy75s get their quality and sound from their aluminum frame and metal plate. You kinda sound like you just want a normal plastic keyboard

>>107127452
>>107127463
>>107127467
I like the 75 layout of the rainy. I guess I'll try getting a K8 HE and deal with it looking a little worse and being a little bigger.
If it turns out I need more portability I'll just buy another keyboard...

>>107127494
That's probably a safe bet, but if you ever do need a really portable keyboard, try the nuphy air

>>107127591
Shut the fuck up you suggested a LOGITECH keyboard. Kill yourself

>>107126943
It costs too much as well. It's almost double my price goal in my country.

>>107127708
??? google is telling me 500 reais is like 105 dollars. A P75 should be 85 dollars. Do they charge you extra in brazil? thats fucked up

>poron
>eva
>pe
which one and why

>>107127703
fuck you BITCH, Logitech wireless keyboards are the only ones that can handle 100+ WPM typing

>>107127757
>Do they charge you extra in brazil? thats fucked up
Glad you asked. Yeah, we have gorillions of taxes. And some shit is only accessible through international shipping which gives me cancer.

What are the best Cherry clone switches for a vintage keyboard enjoyer?

I'm not quite happy with the profile of my K95's plate, I like my keyboard being a wedge. Can't I just grab some wood from the hardware store and cut out my own plate and case?

>>107128176
Bro if you are that good with wood I'll pay you 500 dollars to make me a wooden case

Making a keyboard case out of wood is stradivarius tier wood working

>>107120840
no it was that one. i think my problem was i was using the qmk compiled from my package manager instead of the keychron fork or something.

>>107128136
Probably something like a Novelkeys Cream Clickie which is a clicky linear switch with a novel click mechanism in the stem

>>107128136
i mean theres like a trillion of them. theres so many different options, including types available, springs, different types of lubes and stuff for customization. preference is a term thrown around a lot by many of these dipshits in their discord servers if you use them, mostly filled with teenagers probably. theres not an answer to the question you're posing id say

>>107128136
You find vintage cherry blacks anon

>>107129352
why are we such filthy pay pigs?

>>107129377
He said you find them, not that you pay someone who found them for you.

Guys what the fuck, the split spacebar option on the wooting 60he v2 presale with the ISO layout is in ABS plastic only and that ships out April instead of next month

Either buy the standard spacebar (december) or buy the module split spacebar (january) or get cucked with other combos and wait until April

Should one buy a wooting? or should I simply wait

Is a split spacebar better or even useful? or is it stupid? idk
send help

one more thing that I would maybe even consider and like is going full wireless on a keyboard too, wootings are not wireless so it's over in that regard

>>107117662
>when it was literally the only option
JBAW(JustBuyAWooting)

>>107129418
Why doesn't the thumb have like 5 keys instead on .5 keys?

>>107129459
what did calder mean by this
I guess split is better

Updated the switch guide because I realized I hadn't said anything about putting a different switch in the spacebar, which maybe some people who've never watched a build stream won't know is done by pretty much everyone.

Not looking forward to needing to rewrite everything in a few years' time to be about whichever contactless meme becomes the new standard. I suspect that's coming.

>>107129352
>vintage cherry blacks
literally just buy gateron g pro reds or gaterom blacks
>>107129377
just buy gaterom linears

>>107128655
there's two different things, qmk-cli which is the qmk command you issue to build it. and then there's the qmk keyboard files which you get when you clone the repo.
package manager installs the qmk utility.
you also have to run qmk setup so it detects the cloned repo so it knows where to build the files and shit.

>>107120778
are these actually comfortable or worth it?

>>107131526
I'd say so; it's just comfy to type on. It's also made it so I don't yearn for any other type of board anymore.

>>107131687
Did you use a flat split before or did you go with the Dactyl right away?

>>107131801
Also is the 6 on the left a standard Japanese thing or why didn't you go with the normal qwery number positions?

>>107131801
I had an ergodox for a number of years beforehand. It's the reason I modified the dactyl into a 5x7 layout in the first place.

>>107129418
Is that keyboard programmable? Having backspace on my left thumb is one of the best and easiest to learn improvements in my split layout.

>>107131825
I think cables between the halves are dumbfuck retarded and add cost to special cable and connectors.
just run another usb cable to your computer, no more nonsenste, you can have them as apart as you want

>>107131866
Trrs cables are cheap. But also I think some things wouldn't work, e.g. how could you have a combo with left and right side keys?

>>107107385
they do store the calibrated value as 12bit
typedef struct __attribute__((__packed__)){
uint16_t zero_travel:12; // zero travel
uint16_t full_travel:12; // zero travel
} calibrated_value_t;
they are fucking with the resolution on the way because they're implementing a fuckload of features. it may be because of them, trying to deal with memory and shit.
they have all that socd okmc rapid trigger nonsense and they may be maxing out some memory or something. trying to wrap my head around everything they're doing I might drop some feature for increase precision I don't care about some of those features.
the curve is also extra bloat, if you want it linear or not

>>107132300
dunno. keep layers on same half? it's still retarded as it's using a micro for each half either way

>>107132318
but controller mode is even more ogre. I tested with jstest in terminal and I only get 32 individual steps on full key press.
driver allows for 15bits of resolution, might be related to the fact that a full axis is broken in two keys, one for one way and one key for the other way.
anyway, from 15bits total I get 5bits total per key, in xbox controller mode.
it's not bad, I had to use both hands to precisely press one key so I get individual values for each step, but I'd still want more because 5bits wtf lol that's even worse than 40 steps for 0.1mm keypress precision for those gay gaming features sacd/okmc/rapid trigger shit

>>107099559 (OP)
>thinly veiled keyboard ASMR fetish thread