Thread 107181338

lmao

>>107181338 (OP)
What's with that link embedded in your png?

>>107181397
What link?

>>107181338 (OP)
Give this dumbfuck a refund, block them and tell other artists to not take their commissions. Simple.

>>107181338 (OP)
yeah it looks like AI, please refund me too

>>107181338 (OP)
can i get a refund on this post?

>>107181338 (OP)
Should've record the entire process baka

digital art has no future

>>107181588
It does, just don't expect it to pay much if at all.

>>107181588
Yeah, it's basically over. I do think that there will be more pushback and eventually the creation of an AI-free market, but it's all futile

>>107181578
I mean they're complaining it LOOKS like AI

>>107181466
OP. You are a retard.

>>107181837
>can't prove there's a link
I'm not the retard here

The customer is always right, it doesn't even matter was AI used or not.

>>107181338 (OP)
He's right. "Artists" claim that they are better than Ai but then they use all these digital AI tools to smooth their drawings and make them look like AI.
If you don't want to be accused of AI-scamming your customers then you better start making MSpaint drawings and pencil sketches, because no one cares about the kind of smoothed over crap that artists used to shit out. AI can generate all that stuff in 2 seconds now.

>>107181338 (OP)
why not just use AI, its free and there are many AIs you can try to find the one that looks the best

Artists are not needed anymore, they are thing of the past

Do ppl really pay someone to draw an anime girls?

>>107181877
>The customer is always right
Only fucktard boomers actually believe this.

>>107181936
Are you seriously asking if artistic commissions are a thing?

>>107181397
you know what it is

>>107181338 (OP)
Nice, AI should filter all shitty wannabe artist.

>>107181970
the customer is always wrong, regardless treat the customer like he is always right

>>107181904
>but then they use all these digital AI tools to smooth their drawings and make them look like AI.
You mean the digital drawing tools they have always used.

Do a cost benefit analysis of treating the customer as if he's right.

>>107181338 (OP)
everyone is still talking about AI images but LLMs are fucking over authors way more than AI image generation did to artists

>>107181970
>Only fucktard boomers actually believe this.
how are people still getting this wrong? it's just a customer service saying because the cost of a dissatisfied customer can be so large. nobody actually thinks they are right
doesn't apply in this case anyway, thoughbeit

>>107181503
pretty much, some people are just too retarded to commission art. not worth dealing with them

>>107181904
I don't think you know a single artist based on this analysis

>>107182076
he probably means the legacy algorithmic tools used for digital art slop as opposed to the new ai algorithmic tools used for digital art slop

>>107181397
meds. there is nothing embedded

>>107182178
>I don't think you know a single artist
Yeah, there's very few LGBT people in my social circle

>>107181970
>>107182158
The customer is always right... in matters of taste.

>>107182239
>She doesn't know.

>>107182107
Authors of what?

>>107182358
>still didn't prove there's something embedded

>>107181338 (OP)
Imagine paying money for such a generic drawing

>>107182509
propaganda pieces in newspapers

>>107181338 (OP)
If your art is indistinguishable from AI, then you’re a shit artist and should find the nearest high point.

>>107181970
>Are you seriously asking if artistic commissions are a thing?
from a professional artist thats normal
from some discord groomer who bought a wacom last week? not normal

>>107182600
There are lots of people who can't distinguish AI gen shit.
Why are you assuming the problem is with the artist?

>>107182600
So what do you think the ai is trained on, you absolute fucktard?

Just download illustrious and get better art than any of these so called "artitsts" can drae

>>107181877
"the customer is always right on matters of taste." is the full saying. Meaning if they think a pink pokadot tie goes with a blue paisley shirt you don't tell them they're retarded.

>>107181338 (OP)
No.

>>107182844
You wish you could pull that off

>>107181338 (OP)
>someone paid for this

>>107181338 (OP)
What level of brainrot does it take to understand what's going on here?

>>107182509
>Authors of what?
authors of amateur webnovel slop
their niche is being completely replaced by chatgpt

>>107181904
>seething profusely over having zero talents

>>107182828
>So what do you think the ai is trained on, you absolute fucktard?
Mostly sloppa.

>>107181338 (OP)
Artists really should endeavor to have their own artstyle that doesn't look like generic animeslop

That said, I do feel bad for the artist here. I absolutely would not refund in this case.

>>107181338 (OP)
buyo an addo

>>107182991
>Artists really should endeavor to have their own artstyle that doesn't look like generic animeslop
Imitating more competent artists is a stepping stone towards that. Granted, drawing tranime will never get you there.

>>107181693
>it thinks normal people talk like this
War of the Worlds totally had people scared, just because the broadcasts said they were, right?

>>107183152
whom, exactly, are you brapping?

>>107183152
Not a bot. It's just easy to see where this AI technology is heading towards. It's as disruptive as the modern PC was

>>107182991
As the #1 AI hater I will say that the best thing it did was calling out hack artists with a generic-ass artstyle that is easily computer-generated. It made me appreciate artists that have distinct styles. It doesn't even have to be high art, it can literally be something as simple as H-game developers where the art is so unmistakably "theirs" that you would never mistake it for anything else. Picrel's a perfect example which came out on f95 like yesterday. Super recognizable style and instantly remembered having played the dev's previous game like half a year ago. It doesn't have to be super amazingly well-drawn, it just has to have its own style. OP image is a perfect example of artists that are NGMI.

>Paying money for anime girl drawing #48492394830
why

>>107183267
autism, excess money and crippling loneliness

>>107183158
The idea that people were shocked and thought the original radio broadcast of War of the Worlds was a real alien invasion, was completely and entirely a marketting lie. But to this day we still hear the story as if people did think it was real.
The exact same thing is going on. All "line always go up" retards have a dog in the race.

>>107183267
Do you like seeing the same reskinned GPU doll over and over and over?
>and over and over and over?

>>107181588
>>107183242
>digital art has no future
Product-centered cultures have no future. Digital art will simply have to expand its scope to include the creator and the process of creation as part of the work itself, effectively creating a new medium that better captures what art has always been about.

>>107183292
I would prefer there were no anime girl drawings anymore at all

>>107181588
It has plenty of future because art isn’t a utilitarian commodity.

>>107183329
>Digital art will simply have to expand its scope to include the creator and the process of creation as part of the work itself
physical art does that better

>>107183259
that is fuck ugly. any retard could gen in that atrocious style if they wanted to, but I would assume it's harder to find anyone that would appreciate that style than it is to find anyone to produce it.

people should commission the most obnoxious anti AI artists then do this + chargeback
The few artists that don't use their socials to bitch and whine about le evil AI don't deserve this tho

>>107183259
>This is what is considered a "distinctive style"
No wonder artists are fucking cooked

>>107183389
>>107183411
>that is fuck ugly.
I disagree personally, but I intentionally chose that pic because it's so simple and made by a relatively unknown artist (to my knowledge). Human art doesn't have to be amazingly good to be worth something, but it has to be unique to be worth something. That obviously doesn't mean I'm basedpogging over some abstract jackson pollock slop because it says so much about le heckin' human condition, but just making sure your anime girl OC has *some* degree of "this was made by me and me alone" is huge.
>any retard could gen in that atrocious style if they wanted to
sure. With the prompt of
>(...) in the style of StudioTsunequze
but the OG dude making it had to actually sit down and create a few waifus in that style before the model could imitate it.

>>107183107
Well I'm just saying. The op is arguebly a better artist than me, but I don't have issues finding commissioners, and people have started leaving comments like 'You're a spark of creativity in this age of AI' and similar cringe on my uploads.

I'm too old to ever have had a manga phase in my teens. I have a distinctly western style that I guess people don't replicate with AI much.

>>107183381
>physical art does that better
Some forms of it do, like theater or dancing. If you're talking about painting, though - don't be retarded, it's going to suffer from exactly the same problem as digital painting.

>>107183329
I think 'man-made' will become a sort of seal of quality in the future, but digital assets obviously don't gain much from being man-made vs AI-genned.

Live musician is still a viable career-path, so I think painter will be too to a degree.

>>107183487
your points notwithstanding, but the example artstyle is extremely generic and widespread within the more amateur circles. it's why you're seeing it on dlsite. you'll also see it on westoid circles like DA or tumblr or wherever the kids are nowadays because standards are way lower. that shit is unmarketable garbage that most authors try to age out from.
only those who are blind to the less logically defined features of an artwork would place so much emphasis on having wildly differing artstyles. it's like how autistic weeaboo spergs need expressive emotes lingering on-screen for excruciatingly long periods of time to understand what the character is trying to convey.

>>107183397
>people with differing worldviews must be made to shut up
tranny behavior. you do you champ

>>107183510
>obviously
Consistency.

>>107183502
sure, it's all fucked in the long run in that regard. but digital art is particularly fucked. nobody has ever really given a shit about it in the first place. consider the process of creation of the art; which will be more highly valued, digital or physical?

>>107183489
>but what about my anecdote
Doesn't matter. Deriding competent intermediate-level painters for their lack of an original style is idiotic for the simple reason that many of the masters had to go through this stage, and it would have been demoralizing and far more difficult under a culture that reflects the low-IQ opinions of talentless, spiteful mutants on /g/.

>>107183510
>I think 'man-made' will become a sort of seal of quality in the future, but digital assets obviously don't gain much from being man-made vs AI-genned.
Good job understanding the implications of the first sentence of my post. Now try to understand the rest.

>>107183549
we have enough masters. maybe demoralizing is a good thing?

>>107183487
My point wasn't that it's ugly. My point was that it's literally anime style #57390. Nothing about this separates them from from anyone else attempting the same shit. There's nothing here that breaks the mold from the path that everyone else is following.

>>107183539
>digital art is particularly fucked.
To the contrary, it can more easily incorporate the elements I mentioned and evolve into a performance art.

>consider the process of creation of the art; which will be more highly valued, digital or physical?
Watching some guy on YouTube smear paint drops into a painting is already more highly valued by the average person than the classics they hang in museums.

>>107183573
>we
You and the rest of your horde of dysgenic failures, all of whom sound identical to you? You're clearly spending too much time on the internet and it makes you think you count.

>>107183597
>To the contrary, it can more easily incorporate the elements I mentioned and evolve into a performance art.
no offense anon, but nobody wants to see that shit

>>107183610
I understand what your training set says about this matter and that you're going to keep regurgitating it ad infinitum like a bio-LLM but my point stands completely unchallenged. What I'm describing is already happening to some degree and has been before AI.

>>107183603
>You and the rest of your horde of dysgenic failures, all of whom sound identical to you?
no, the professional digital art industry that is currently is in such a panic to cause the immeasurable seethe as evidenced in your posts

>>107183630
>What I'm describing is already happening to some degree
like the furry vtubers on twitch who draw porn? a pretty poor substitute for the animation industry for example

>>107181588
>digital art has no future
people should start painting on a real canvas again

>>107183631
>mask drops and the spiteful mutant starts sharting out his irrelevant preprogrammed rhetoric
Every time.

>>107183650
See >>107183630. Your standardized, first-database-row /pol/dumpster opinions don't warrant any consideration.

>>107183660
>spiteful
>You and the rest of your horde of dysgenic failures
can you honestly recommend digital art to an aspiring artist right now?

>>107183520
>the example artstyle is extremely generic and widespread within the more amateur circles
I think the way you categorize "artstyle" is too broad and encompasses too much art within multiple differing styles. You're no different from a suburban mom calling every game console a Nintendo.
>>107183592
>There's nothing here that breaks the mold
it doesn't have to. I'm opening this particular game up for a quirk jerk-off session, then ALT+F4'ing. But it is an enjoyable fap because it really isn't a generic anime artstyle, and if you think so then you aren't consooming enough content to make out the nuances.

Picrel is just a random AI image I grabbed off google. This is truly generic. You don't have to bust out the Kentaro Miura double spread to beat it, which is why I didn't debase myself by so in the first place. My entire point here is that the required uniqueness for human effort is actually reasonably achievable by a nontrivial amount of artists if the just put a little bit of thought into their drawings.

>>107183673
feel free to show us some digital performance art, anon

>>107183679
See >>107183673 because it applies to you just the same. You lost the plot a few posts ago and are now reverting to the standardized rhetorical shart, delivered out of context.

>>107183558
You feeling ok anon?

I don't think there's ever going to be much of a market for watching digital artists work. I know of many popular artists who stream all their work, and they get like 12 people watching because it's frankly not very interesting to watch. Nobody is ever going to give a shit about the creator themself unless they're some cutie with big booba.

>>107183696
is that a no? you won't recommend digital art to the aspiring young artists? can you illuminate us on the attitudes of current working professionals? there's no panic, right?

>>107183681
it's a flavor of the stupid westoid-adjacent style notably with with the thick eyebrows and resting bitch face esque emote. relatively common in garbage back of toc seinen. you can also tell from the fucked chibi that the artist sux. and rich coming from the guy calling all of vn/doujin style AI lol. you know nothing child

>>107183722
also you posted chinawank style btw. not being able to tell between the gook and chink fake otaku style is just peak blindness

>>107183707
>>107183719
You are permanently superseded by """AI""" for all intents and purposes. An inferior, biological version of statistical token regurgitation minus the variety and versatility of the digital ones.

>>107183739
pretty damning response

>>107183745
What else is there to say to retarded biobots who lost the plot 10 posts ago and keep cycling the same irrelevant rhetoric because of a failed template match?

>>107181588
That means we will be stuck with whatever artists have produced to this point.
AI will remix forever. Pretty bleak

>>107183549
I'd argue that op seems more than intermediate-level judging from that sketch. The work is really good, it's just that the world is completely oversaturated with that specific style. I'm sure they have a strong grip on fundamentals and could develop themselves in a more novel stylistic direction.

Anyway, claiming that you have to go through a period of drawing derivative manga-style to learn how to be an artist is just too stupid to really reply seriously to.

>>107183755
apparently you can't say much of anything. ironically, repeating the same thing over and over like some llm

>>107183771
I'm not talking about specifically. Animeslop is inherently formulaic garbage with such a shallow learning curve that "intermediate" doesn't mean much.

>>107183739
Did you reply to me by accident or what?

>>107183775
>you can't say much of anything
See:
>>107183329
>>107183502
>>107183597
Your rhetorical pattern matching failed on these posts and they still stand unchallenged.

How do you disprove that any involvement of AI has been used in any piece of art in the year 2025?
You really can't, especially when it comes to digital. There are so many ways to cheat the process.

>>107183781
Okay, I'm just saying that a professional artist who wants to earn money drawing could stand to have an artstyle that has more going for it than 'Looks just like a slice of life anime'

>>107183790
nobody knows what the fuck you mean by digital performance art. you haven't linked or posted any lol

>>107183802
>a professional artist
There is no such thing. The term you're looking for is "professional illustrator".

>could stand to have an artstyle that has more going for it than 'Looks just like a slice of life anime'
If you're trying to make money, you just deliver whatever customers demand. Simple as.

>>107183791
Yeah you don't. The most effective would be to stream your whole process, but why bother?

I use AI for the conceptualization phase. It's often better than looking up references on google. I don't tell people because I know some retards would call me amoral for using tools in my craft. Eventually I'm hoping stuff like inking and coloring can be made much faster with AI.

>>107183806
>my hivemind doesn't know what you mean
Not my problem that you have zero reading comprehension and zero imagination.

>>107183826
>I use AI for the conceptualization phase

>>107183827
ok well my money is on ai. good luck i guess

>>107183845
>generic rhetorical nonsequitur
Every time. You've already been replaced. You have no money and your prospects of making any are permanently zero.

>>107182158
>>107182349
This. It's mostly a thing where taste matters, like you work in a fashion store, know a lot about it, a customer likes something hideous you agree with them it's good.

>the cost of a dissatisfied customer can be so large
Once you're a bigger brand, this doesn't matter.

>>107183722
>it's a flavor of the stupid westoid-adjacent style notably with with the thick eyebrows and resting bitch face esque emote.
your categorization is indeed too wide.
>you can also tell from the fucked chibi that the artist sux
this is my entire point, they aren't some legendary artist, they're a literally who amateur, but yet their art has a slight tint of unique character and that is what gives it sovl. It's easy to categorize animation legends like Junji Itō or something into the "is unique" pile, and obviously he's unquantifiably more unique than the artist I brought up, but I think it becomes a more interesting discussion when you bring up amateur artists which are in the category of "conventional & contemporary anime" yet still manage to have a slight drawing quirk which makes them unique.
>>107183730
>also you posted chinawank style btw. not being able to tell between the gook and chink fake otaku style is just peak blindness
they are literally japanese kek

>>107183859
maybe this is the digital performance art. digital artists transitioning to a seethe based art form for all to laugh at
i'm a fan desu

>>107183820
>There is no such thing. The term you're looking for is "professional illustrator".
>No such thing as a professional artist
Autistic nitpicking aside, what an amazingly stupid claim to make.

>>107181588
>t. 1990s artist terrified of photoshop

>>107183872
>sovl
Oh. Okay, I see where this is going.
I'm out.

>>107183875
>the digital artists are in the room with us right now
>they're talking to me through the walls
Dumb /pol/troon demonstrates my point over and over again like clockworjk.

>>107183872
what I mean by sucks is it's obvious the artist is an amateur at it. as in his artstyle is a point that lies squarely on the path that nigh all good artists take. that's what I mean by grow out of.

>>107181338 (OP)
>chicken scratches
I thought you were not supposed to do this when sketching

>>107183881
You're not an "artist". You're a shit-tier wagie who draws things. Deal with it.

>>107183872
I meant the AI image.
>>107183888
>so*l
lol I missed that. what a fag

>>107183886
ok krugman

>>107183891
lol

>>107183896
It's fine if it's just a sketch. Sketches are a rough draft you know

>>107183941
>it's fine if you never learn how to draw the curving lines you want in a single, flowing stroke
Sloppa "artists" believe this.

>>107183952
That's what the final piece is for. I draw curving lines I want in a single, flowing stroke over the rough sketch

Boy, I sometimes hope tasteless people just die one day

>>107183986
>i only execute the basic skills of my craft in the finalizing step

>>107183897
What do you mean? Are we arguing about your personal definition of art, or are we arguing about your interpretation of the word professional?

Like, take Monet for example. He made a career out of selling paintings and sculptures. Why was he not a professional artist? It seems like this is just some autistic linguistic quirk you're exhibiting.

>>107184003
If the end result is the same, it doesn't matter

>>107183952
Okay anon, go look up some draft work for disney's little mermaid, or the pre-inked pages for any professional comic you'd like, then proceed to throw a shitfit at the chicken scratches.

>>107184005
"Artist" is not a job title. If anything, it's a honorific one for someone who creates actual works of art. Accepting the premise that draw-wagies create art is precisely the slippery slope that leads to the oxymoron of "AI art", so good job setting up the very context that enables machines to phase you out.

>>107184026
I don't care what draw-wagies do. I'm just saying if you learned to use your hands properly you wouldn't have to do that.

>>107184012
>If the end result is the same, it doesn't matter
That's exactly what AI "artists" say. Funny that.

>>107184056
>>107184048
Alright, you're just shitposting. Shame on me etc etc.

>>107184026
>>107184065
you are allowed to break the rules once you understand them

>>107183329
>Digital art will simply have to expand its scope to include the creator and the process of creation as part of the work itself
It doesn't have to do anything. Passionate people will continue to make artworks out of passion. People who like these artworks are going continue enjoying them. The only thing that will change is shitty commission artists will have to find real job.

>>107184026
This is actually a draft compared to OP, which seems like a pass for lines and not a "draft".
If you're calling OP a sketch/draft, then I have even more reason to believe that AI was used and the customer was fucking correct.

>>107184065
That's not your chicken scratch cope.

>>107184075
If you plan to dedicate most of your time to honing your craft, you need financial support. Simple as.

>>107181576
no refunds after watching it for more than 10 seconds

>>107184111
It's called getting a job

>>107184155
>the golem is obsessed with everyone serving its masters
Ok. My point still stands undisputed.

>>107183371
Cope. For 95% of people that commission art it is.

>>107184080
>compared to OP, which seems like a pass for lines and not a "draft".
He is literally submitting a draft for customer review anon. It's pretty clear that the face is the only part where he's spent some energy on the lineart.

>>107181588
If you're a tasteless nigger that actually enjoys consuming slop, then yeah.

>>107184111
>>107184155
The vast majority of artists we remember today either wasted an inheritance, lived off their spouse/family, lived in absolute poverty, or had some dishwasher job or similar.

Even for the small number who lived off art sales or some sort of commision from a noble during their own lifetime - it was usually something they only managed late in life.

>>107181588
it does but only gigachad cunny prompt engineers will survive

>>107184164
If you need financial support honing a craft, meaning you're not at the level yet of actually selling anything, then get a fucking job.
If you're already selling your services and it isn't enough, then get a fucking job.
Like, it's actually funny seeing artists have the surprised Pikachu face when this side hustle isn't working out for them.

>>107181936
I want to kiss her stomach and feel her squirm and see her embarrassed expression. Then I want to sniff her armpits. She is so cute. Who is she?

>>107183259
But can't AI generate particular styles quite well? E.g.: ratatatat74?

Technology?

>>107184200
>The vast majority of artists we remember today
/pol/troon rhetorical slop. You've been replaced by LLMs.

>>107184204
>retarded golem wage slave engages in blatant circular reasoning
You can always tell when a post is written by Americoon hands. Truly, the shit-covered jeets of the West.

>>107181338 (OP)
>waste your life improving your "technique" so much you're practically a human printer
>forget about developing your own personal style and flair (ie. soul)
>"wtf why do you think I draw like a machine??"
many such cases

>>107184186
>If you're a tasteless nigger that actually enjoys consuming slop
that's what digital art is for

>>107184239
You contribute so much to this conversation

>>107184297
I pointed out an obvious fact which chronically jealous /pol/troons can't process, so that's where the "conversation" ended.

>>107184297
you don't get it, it's performance art

>>107184321
>mentally ill tranny still seething an hour later
Delicious.

>>107181904
>He's right. "Artists" claim that they are better than Ai but then they use all these digital AI tools to smooth their drawings and make them look like AI.

Anon thats the fucking blur tool

>>107184328
dance

>>107184340
Maybe if you (You) everyone ITT someone will joint your trauma support group.

>>107184313
What fact? That most artists need money from some other source to support their art, and which I agreed with?

>>107184386
>What fact?
This fact:
>>107184111
>If you plan to dedicate most of your time to honing your craft, you need financial support
You then started spewing some irrelevant head canon about "the vast majority of artists """we""" remember", which has nothing whatsoever to do with the logical next step for people making money from digital art.

i can't draw my waifu accurately too many shifting dimensions and features
can't put her into words either so she is doomed to not escape

>>107184407
The fact that it's been the norm for artists to be supported financially by something other than their craft is irrelevant to your claim that artists need to be supported financially by something other than their craft?

Anon do you have some sort of personality disorder that makes you like this?

>>107184425
Poor anons waifu, living forever, rent-free in his head along with Hasan Piker and a few dozen other youtubers and political agitators

>>107183397
>people should commission the most obnoxious anti AI artists then do this + chargeback
this
>>107183531
>nooooo you cant just have fun think of the poor artoids
really giving me reddit beta nu-male vibes

>>107184425
ai will free her

>>107184442
>it's been the norm

>>107184462
it's always amusing when legacy artists swap to words to convey meaning that they never could through art

>>107184462
you belong in discord, troon

>>107184489
>it's always amusing when legacy artists swap to words to convey meaning that they never could through art
It's always amusing to watch LLMs run circles around you at generating meaningless verbal slop that only sounds like there's some kind of thought behind it.

>>107184511
brap?

Hourly reminder that AI has already replaced the activity of low opinion posting on 4chan.

>>107184568
low IQ*

>>107184111
Drawing 100$ furry smut is not a craft that we need to protect.
Artists that make noteworthy art can not be replaced by a robot that can't even fully comprehend paragraph long prompt. These commission artists are no different than all these no name cheap painters that were hired to draw random families or events who got replaced by a camera. There is no difference, both do not create art, just offer a basic service that is waiting for be automated by more sophisticated solution. People who paint or draw or weave baskets out of passion and people who create actually impressive, thought-provoking, unique art are never affected by technology because making basic slop was never their goal.

>>107184657
>Drawing 100$ furry smut...
All /pol/troons look, talk and think the same. You've already been replaced on 4chan. Most /pol/troon posts are LLMs and they're inherently indistingushable from yours.

>>107184657
>These commission artists are no different than all these no name cheap painters that were hired to draw random families or events who got replaced by a camera
It's kind of a distinction without a difference though. The Mona Lisa is exactly what you're describing - some random commissioned slop painting of some guy's daughter.

>>107183775
>>107184239
>>107184511
>>107184680
Nigger why are you wasting everyone's time with these posts?

>>107184709
All /pol/troons look, talk and think the same. You've already been replaced on 4chan. Most /pol/troon posts are LLMs and they're inherently indistinguishable from yours.

>>107184680
>/pol/troons
Huh?

>Most /pol/troon posts are LLMs and they're inherently indistingushable from yours.
Cool, but it doesn't mean because I shitpost out of passion. :^)

>>107184688
And in my humble opinion, it's overrated. It's nicely done and all, but I don't really see the value. I think it's just marketing to get people to visit louvre.

>>107184735
>it doesn't mean
*it doesn't matter to me

>>107184735
>bio-automatonistic (You) addiction is passion
Ok retard.

>>107184720
If you say so.

>>107183397
The only correct opinion. If you're an artist and you start bitching about what other people do, especially on social media to farm relevancy, you deserve to get fucked over.

>If you're an artist and you start bitching about what other people do, especially on social media to farm relevancy, you deserve to get fucked over.
How come every draw-wagie seething on twitter makes /g/ seethe 10 times as hard?

>>107185096
/g/ is also getting fucked by jeets (probably even harder), the feeling is slightly skewed

>>107181867
>wanting to be spoonfed
kys

>>107185096
>draw-wagie seething
Every seething screencap was from some pretentious comission whores. Real wagies that do commercial illustrations 9-5 all praise new better faster tools that let them shit out more content for less effort. Like any other wagies ever.

>>107185917
>Real wagies that do commercial illustrations 9-5 all praise new better faster tools
It was real in your mind, but back in reality, AI slop is demonstrably a net drain on any professional in any field.

>>107185931
How many professional illustrators do you interact with on an average day at work?

>>107185991
How many professional illustrators do you interact with on an average day at work?

>>107181588
as a trad artist chad i take great pleasure knowing digital “artists” will go extinct

>>107184489
>legacy artists
as opposed to what?

>>107186405
>he doesn't know

>>107186475
already seen this bullshit, it sucks cock
you are delusional if you think trad oil painters will be replaced before surgeons, they both require the same level of fine motor skills but one is infinitely more profitable to automate.

>>107186516
NTA but you're obviously delusional for thinking faking a physical paintings requires "fine motor skills" and not just some 3D printing technique.

>>107186531
confirmed retarded and know nothing about traditional painting. if it could mix tones and place them with the granular level of detail of a good artist then it could easily do any surgical operation which is a much better return on investment
>3d print the painting durp!
in your dreams. it would have to be made of a totally different material at the minimum. how are you going to 3d print a watercolor painting faggot

>>107186579
Explain what makes the surface of a painting any more complicated to replicate than the intricate 3D shapes they can 3D print already. You literally can't. You, just like every other aphantasic /g/tard, just can't imagine anything except in terms of whatever trivial idiocy comes up when you think about AI faking a painting - in your case, a 3D robot arm doing what an actual painter would do. Contemptible monkeys. It feels good to know your whole lot is going to be exterminated by engineered wars and diseases soon.

>>107186579
>which is a much better return on investment
if your ai surgeon fucks up, you have millions of dollars of lawsuits and the entire automated surgery scrutinized and probably blocked for decades
if your ai painter fucks up, you have, dare I say, sovl

>>107186607
stop talking out of your ass for one second. have you ever actually used physical oil paint? the answer is no because it was “too expensive” or “takes too much time and effort” right?
fuck off and die

>>107186610
>if the ai fucks up
so in other words it can’t paint it and is no better than some beg trash with a wacom tablet that thinks xer is an artist

>>107186719
>generic token slop
Notice how I correctly predicted your inability to point out anything particularly complex about the surface of a painting compared to the intricate 3D structures machines can already create.

>>107186748
how about all the different tones of color or the fact it is made of oil paint which takes months to dry you stupid nigger
why are you still replying instead of killing yourself and your entire family? it’s the only meaningful thing left for you to do

;~;

>>107186776
>how about all the different tones of color
What about them?

>or the fact it is made of oil paint
Who cares? Who said the printer needs to use real oil paint? It just needs to look real enough for the average normie.

>>107186719
you're delusional if you think there's any part of that process that can't be automated
and I'm not even getting into the 3d printing aspect like the other anon. they will absolutely have cnc machines painting traditional oil paintings. the required precision and control will be the focus of many a research paintings, apple is going to present their idroid in 2036 painting a family portrait before going to the kitchen to make lemonade, etc.
I strongly dislike ai slop generators of any kind
but if you think your little trad corner is safe from enslopment, you're gonna have a hard time
if you're doing it because it's what you love doing, great
then again
>i take great pleasure knowing digital “artists” will go extinct
if that's still you in this thread, you can fuck right off. you deserve to be out slopped
and you will be

>>107186812
ok so you have to now find another medium that you can 3d print that isnt oil paint but also has near infinite variety of color variation, and you have to either mix them in advance or train the robot to mix them on demand somehow
and this is supposed to be more effective than just having a trained artist paint with oils, and presumably tens of millions of dollars have gone into research and developing this tool which will never make money back rather than perfecting robotic surgury or robot car mechanics or some other thing with a real return on investment

and then when i come to judge your robots work and kindly inform you that it’s not an oil painting by definition since it didn’t use any oil paint, i will shoot a hollowpoint into your skull while laughing like the joker and then harvest your blood to make pigment
good luck

>>107186875
>ok so you have to now find another medium that you can 3d print that isnt oil paint but also has near infinite variety of color variation, and you have to either mix them in advance or train the robot to mix them on demand somehow
Explain in your following post the technological details that make it insurmountable, since you're clearly an expert on this and not just a seething monkey.

>>107186846
>2036
just one more decade bro
fuck off and die like the other delusional AI worshipping cunt. the current deluge of AI digital art is because it is produced as detritus byproduct of training LLMs for useful tasks like image recognition for autonomous robots and cars
no one is going to do the same for physical paintings when it costs real money

There you go, lil bro. No need to shell out the extra $100 for full color.

>>107181338 (OP)
everyone is fucked.
>just specialize and be the best at something goy (drawing, programming, crafts, writing, etc)
>spends years practicing something, creating your own style, etc
>your work now is used to train an ai model /lora / llms / and then replace you
>just learn multiple careers and trades during your lifetime goy!
>gets replaced by jeets, mexicans, and then robots
there's no future for anything.

>>107186897
so now you’ve moved from “will it happen” to a theoretical faggot land of “is it technologically insurmountable”
have fun with your mental masturbation

Digital art is fine as long as you make it at least somewhat unique and you're talented, but digital porn is absolutely dead

>>107186793
Why is every "AI style" AI art always using these uncanny smooth gradients with greasy reflections? That's not how anime works. It looks like shit. Like that Alita movie. Do prooompters unironically like it?

>>107186934
I've moved from pointing out the obvious to forcing a concession from you that you're a technologically illiterate monkey with no skills or talents of any kind. I accept your full concession.

>>107186966
i only care about whether it will happen or not which you refuse to comment on because you know it won’t
while you jerk yourself off over a distant future where my paintings are replaced by robots i will continue to thrive and make money btw
apology not accepted gas yourself

>>107186924
embrace NEETdom

>>107186948
because the ai sees it as an "imperfection"

>>107186992
You only care about your brown mongrel delusional fantasy world. I just looked it up and what I proposed is not only possible but being done:
https://edition.cnn.com/style/lito-masters-paintings-3d-printing

>107186924
The boomers have failed to make the future that did not rely on consistent consumerism and resource scarcity. If there is going to be one (a good one; one that isn't just a collapse into dark age pastoralism) it will need to be made on the basis that you cannot simply assign value to scribbles or even plots of land. It would be more productive to simply survive until the boomers no longer can hold onto the means of power.

>>107187009
Shut the fuck up you Indian

>>107187005
Neets will be destroyed (useless eaters)

>>107187025
>brown mongrel loses its mind completely over being faced with reality
Concession accepted.

>>107187009
you realise an artist paints the colors on at the end right
you know what that means? this is just a canvas with a textured surface

>>107187082
>broken LLM starts hallucinating
4chang is unusable.

>>107187122
show me how they do the colors then nigga

>>107187183
>show me how [cutting edge proprietary technology] works
Some real dumb cretins on this board. You literally can't tell where your delusional fantasies end and reality begins, repeatedly mistake your moronic hunches for facts, but my point still stands: the technology to convincingly reproduce physical paintings already exists.

>>107187208
cope
they 3d print a canvas then paint colors on at the end manually
sorry autist

>>107187233
You're a literal bio-LLM hallucinating "facts" that aren't stated or implied anywhere and that make no sense semantically.

>>107187226
>transgender, nonbinary and disabled people
That's a very long-winded way to say "Americans".

>>107187226
Damn. How can one man be so correct

>>107187253
just keep coping
chinese artists have been slaving away making van gogh reproductions for decades btw

>>107181588
>few years from now
>open up image/artwork on any given site
>pop up fades the image out and is replaced with an entire screen of text that reads "Hey, so uh, it seems you're trying to grab this image to use for AI training :/ Turn that off if you want to see the image, buddy."
>don't even have anything to scrape to begin with
>unable to see pic no matter what you do
>few weeks later
>you'll see an entire 17+ pages spammed on a booru with sloppa trained on the artist's style anyway, despite these invasive new measures "against AI"
I can wait.

>>107187269
>>>/pol/
please go back.

>>107181970
>Are you seriously asking if artistic commissions are a thing?
In the age of AI? Yes. why bother when you can pull up whatever you want and start genning pics that are suited and tailored made for you? Commissions go for 500$ if you are seeking a veteran artists, But with AI you can just use your GPU or buy computing powering and do so many other things that they can not. Digital Art is long dead

>>107184075
You are missing a single key point that is: If Digital goes out of style and people start to opt for AI art instead, the amount of people who are going to be willing to go the extra mile and learn how to make those impressive illustrations are going to fade with time. There is a massive difference when you can draw for 16 hours a day and only 2 after getting out of your 9-5 job.
And with how things are going AI art is going to take over Digital art and that will be the end of the "traditional digital artist"

>>107187360
I like control over people. Like, yes, I want YOU to draw my gay furry fetish art. I know you will hate it and I know you may pop a boner here or there as you draw the veins of his penis. And you will give it to me and I will ask for corrections that are absurdly specific and make you mad.

Dance for me, monkey, as I throw hundred dollar bills your way.

>>107186918
NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THATTTTT YOU CAN'T DO THAT DELETE THAT PICTUREEEEEE

>>107187281
See >>107187009. You're the only one here with something to cope about.

>>107187456
>And with how things are going AI art is going to take over Digital art and that will be the end of the "traditional digital artist"
It will be the end of "traditional artists" of any kind. I know object-oriented golems just can't grasp it, but the medium doesn't make a difference here.

>>107187456
>the amount of people who are going to be willing to go the extra mile and learn how to make those impressive illustrations are going to fade with time.
That's what I said though. People who are there to make easy money of furry smut will get filtered out. People who draw for fun will stay.
I hope the people who put these annoying watermarks "do not repost", "not for ai training" will get filtered out first, they are the worst.

>There is a massive difference when you can draw for 16 hours a day
None of these people draw 16 hours a day.

>And with how things are going AI art is going to take over Digital art and that will be the end of the "traditional digital artist"
Cool. I'm going to continue to draw because I like it. Even if I have to work as a programmer to support this, it's still a fun hobby.

>>107187470
Nta but I guess those anime furry porn artists are like prostitutes kek. Porn didn't replace whores.

>>107187360
>Why bother when you can just use AI
1 - Public perception: AI bad, etc
2 - Retardation: People genuinely do not know how this shit works
3 - Poor: Too poor to own a big boy GPU
4 - Bad life decisions: They decided to go AMD

There are also rare special occasions, like if Harada or gyokai decided to accept requests I would happily line up, but the random discord begger that wants me to give him money - lol fuck outta here

>>107187670
>That's what I said ... furry smut ...
Imagine being the retard who will reply to this biobot token string unironically instead of recognizing a /pol/troon and sharting all over it.

>>107187670
> People who draw for fun will stay.
And we will only have people who are hobby-tier skilled going into the future.

>>107181588
never did

>>107187696
And how come you aren't taking in the AI artists who put in work with their gens? Because that sure takes a pretty long time to get it right. to know and understand the right models and tools for the job.
>inb4 high effort slop
You may seethe but it is true. Not every one can make what those dedicated AI artists can, and they might as well be the future with how good and fast they can pump out illustrations left and right. Not to mention the insane possibilities that traditional artists never had, AI editing can pretty much do ANYTHING

>>107187729
>And we will only have people who are hobby-tier skilled going into the future.
This is something I've never understood.
People say that you can keep drawing just for fun if ai replaces you, but spending hours just to draw something while working for a minimum wage job will greatly diminish the quality of art in general. Plus, drawing for fun doesn't pay the bills and there won't be any incentive to improve.

>>107187894
Hobbyists can get really good because they like the process. There are shit ton of good piano players or woodworkers that just do it for fun.

>>107187913
It's not really the same, since you won't have the new generation of people will only be done as a hobby, you can forget the actual pros with lots of insights and interesting knowledge passing down that generational knowledge and it might as well be lost with time. It already happened with animation, where people nowadays can't really animate like they used to, and it's all because there was no one to teach and pass their knowledge onto the future. I really do think people in the future will struggle to do anything advanced if they go into the full AI route and don't care to develop their skills

>>107187226
>everyone who doesn't fall for the current bubble's grifts is a member of [groups considered in a negative light]
How convenient, rajesh. You will never get another round of VC funding.

>>107187913
Yes, but most of those hobbyist were already rich even before becoming pianist or woodworkers
An average dude can't work at McDonalds or the local coal-mine then go home and draw for hours.

>>107187761
I'm just answering the question.
I also draw but I don't seethe about AI as much as other people do. Can't put the genie back in the bottle, and it'll only get worse as models ... local models that is ... gets better

>>107187894
Was this not unironically the cope that was being pushed? This "We don't draw for money or fame, we draw because it's fun" type of shit?

>>107188049
>Was this not unironically the cope that was being pushed?
For what I understand not all artists said this.
>Some had a talent for drawing from childhood and decided to dedicate themselves to it professionally to make a living.
>Some do it just for fun.
>Others do it for fun, and if they can also make money, that's fine too.
It's like saying that all programmers must do it for fun or joy, some do it for fun right, but others do it to create an impressive portfolio and get a job, others to create their own product, and so on.

>>107187630
just 10 more years and they will replace artists trust me bro
no we cant show any videos or explain how our process works

>>107181338 (OP)
Ask for a deposit next time.

>>107181338 (OP)
animeslop is worse than ai because ai might at least shit out stolen original artstyles instead of generic crap

>>107182874
twitter level, deviant maybe