Thread 107185738

Thanks GabeN
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamframe

>>107185738 (OP)
GabeCube

GNU/Linux won

why would anyone buy this over big screen beyond 2

so is valve just a hardware company now

>>107185861
That new controller looks fucking awful. They had that shit right the first time.

>>107185890
YEEES!!! Omg I'm hyped, must consoom gnu/loonix hardware
>>107185863
frfr

CPU

Semi-custom AMD Zen 4 6C / 12T

up to 4.8 GHz, 30W TDP

GPU

Semi-Custom AMD RDNA3 28CUs

2.45GHz max sustained clock, 110W TDP

RAM

16GB DDR5 + 8GB GDDR6 VRAM

>>107185892
He doesn't know

>>107185738 (OP)
if it costs like 400 maybe even 350 I might consider it but no more. IT MUST cost same or less than quest 3 to be justified

>>107185878
because as I said it should cost like a third and be 2 times more useful.

>>107185916
Can you explain the GPU part for normies please? Can you compare the GPU to consoles? Ngreedia or gAyMD?

>>107185738 (OP)
Bringing back the Steam Machine and Steam Controller?

might buy controller if anything

>>107185934
RX 7600

same marketing as Apple

>>107185934
The GPU in the new Steam Machine has 28 RDNA3 compute units and it holds up to 2.45 GHz under load.

>>107185934
https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/desktops/radeon/7000-series/amd-radeon-rx-7400.html
It's dogshit.

>>107185957
and more

>>107185863
TPBP.

If this is means VR support on Linux improves: Good. That (and kernel anti-cheat) are really the last frontier for gaming on Linux.

>>107185738 (OP)
Use case for a Steam Frame?

>>107185979
>intended steam audience

>>107185979
valve trooned out

wait so what's the point of buying a console and console games now? i feel like the steam machine just made all of that obsolete...?

>>107185738 (OP)
I said I wanted one, and everyone made fun of me. you don't see any Steam Frame faggots posting their penises on the Steam Frame, do you?

>>107186034
consoles are still faster with the exception of the xbox series s

>>107186034
they were obsolete before this announcement, this is just the final nail

>>107185738 (OP)
Palmer Lucky in the center.

Lol new hardware right as Trump starts dropping stimulus checks, they're gonna sell a lot of units

>>107186063
no console is faster, none

>>107185878
SHUT THE FUCK UP
the bigscreen is garbage
>fresnel lenses
>needs lighthouses
>no controllers
>need to send them an iphone facescan or accept a shitty interface
>wired only
>mediocre specs for the price

>>107185892
I have the OG controller and I never use it, this looks better.

>>107186032
I knew someone would point this out immediately here lol

>>107186034
do normies even know what steam is?

>>107185878
b8

You know why.

>>107185934
rdna3 is 7000 series. rdna2 is 6000 series. rdna4 is 9000 series. of ayyymd's demon-assisted talking machines.

my open box steam controller has triple in value

thanks gaben

the steam controller 1 and 2 im not a fan since it still requires steam client to configure button mappings and features
the alternatives lacks quality

i see myself diy'ing my own controller that uses two trackballs and polling rate at 125khz/500khz/1khz/2khz/4khz, having the ability to be plug and play across consoles and operating systems

Does anyone know if the Steam Frame can still be used wired?

I have a $1200 GPU and I really don't want to use a VR headset's mobile APU.

>>107186012
yes lmao

>>107186115
probably over usb-c like the quest headsets

>>107186116
Namefag kys

>>107186115
>>107186122
also it renders the games on pc and then streams them to the headset with the dongle

>>107185970
Eh it's probably a little better than that if customized & running Linux

>>107185738 (OP)
is AMD PSP / TEE in that chip?

can't wait for 'ubes on 'ube

This has to be < $500 and be capable of 1440@144hz to take off imo. If it costs as much as a regular gaming PC nobody is buying it.

i love this fat kike piece of shit like you wouldnt believe

>>107186034
It's going to cost more than a ps5

>>107186034
the point of consoles has always been exclusives and laziness

>>107186164
I don't think it will be sub $500... I think it could even go up to 1k... what do you think anon?

>>107185979
>>107185957
They're just like me, my house is huge and has a piano in the living room as well.

>>107186201
1k is too much, it's low end hardware. Like $500 pc build.

>>107186196
Not originally. Originally, pcs didn't have good enough graphics for 2D games. It continued with 3d as well.

the ps3 was basically the end. kids thought that it was better than consoles, because Snoy pretended like pcs didn't exist.

>>107186201
>>107186228
gamersnexus video on it said it would cost as much as an entry level pc

>>107186224
also living room has 40k of designer furniture

>>107186241
yeah but what does that even mean, mini pcs capable of gaming with ryzen hardware are ~$500. It's a meaningless statement

doesn't it include a foveated headset?

>>107186241
$250 nuc and a $20 garage sale monitor.

DEAD ON ARRIVAL
ABORTED BY VALVE
>$1200
>2k LCD in 2026
>black and white cameras
>110 FOV in 2026
>no standalone PCVR
>no displayport on headset
>no nose cover (light bleed from below)
>mobile chipset (weaker than iPhone 17)
>ZERO games
what was valve thinking?
why would any white man buy this shit?
apple vision pro is a better deal than this

>>107185738 (OP)
Oh look... another garbage VR headset lmao

>>107185738 (OP)
The Gamecontroller is an instant buy. Maybe even two or three.

GabeCube is a 7600x 16 gig Ram + 7600xt + 8 gig vram (AMDs naming is annoying). Doesn't look like a worthwhile upgrade from my 5600x + 6600xt but i'm tempted to anyway

VR Headset is a matter of price but could ultimately be god tier hardware.

AND IT'S ALL RUNNING FUCKING LINUX WITH SD CARD SLOTS AND UNLOCKED BOOTLOADERS. How can a single company be this unfathomably based? HOW???

Microsoft sitting in the Xbox HQ must be shitting pajeet bricks right now.

>>107185979

The “woman” moves seats between shots. Also holy shit this is why I hide my PSVR2 away. How embarassing.

>>107186034
If you can play Game Pass on that thing then Xbox is cooked.

steamnigger shills need to be made fun of 24/7

>>107186241
what is an entry level pc? dumpster dived haswell with a polaris? that's a lot more powerful than most laptops. An entry level pc is something like a dual core ivy bridge laptop. That's the shittiest hardware that works with vulkan (bar nvideo)

when they tried steam machines in 2015, it was $550 for the alienware one. And it had a shitty i5 and was pre-proton so there were barely any games it could play. These days proton can play games better than native windows in a lot of situations. I think it's going to take off, the only barrier still are shitty drm / anticheats that don't work on linux but even that can be fixed by people who just install windows on this thing

>>107186282
they are going to eat up this overpriced hardware like good goyim they are after eating a steaming hot shit from a guy who popularized gambling, microtransactions, not owning games, drm, lootboxes and wants to microchip them

>>107186253
well, a 5060 is an entry level gpu. So let's see.

https://www.metapcs.com/product/ember50/
$1200

AMD competitors for ~$800

So the Steam Frame will be $800-$1500.

>>107186273
unified ram, you can run some llms on it.

>>107186296
>overpriced
it's literally NOT priced.

>78mm IPD
>154mm Glasses

Fuck you Gaben, fuck you.

I was literally about to buy a Quest 3 this month. What do I do now?

>>107186296
you forgot "censorious hypocrite"

>>107186273
it's a 7400, 28 CUs, up to 40% slower than a 7600 depending on clocks, definitely slower than your build

>>107186307
>unified Ram
I don't think so according to specs. I doubt this can run any llm i currenlty can't.

No hand tracking...
Lame!

>>107186315
my frames are 145mm, and I'm blind in one eye. The frame is not for us friend.

>>107186316
this one cuz it's not Metaed

>>107186138
I have literally never had a good experience with streaming high bitrate video in realtime wirelessly.

I want to take advantage of my PC hardware that I already have in the same way the Valve Index uses it. Without latency spikes, interference, compression artifacts, or whatever other "cheats" they want to use to try and get it "good enough".

AI shit was never mentioned in the whole video, I'm shocked and awed.

>>107186328
I tell people my head is so huge because am smart.

>Desktop
>KDE Plasma

>>107186316
DO NOT REDEEM Quest 3

Seriously, why would you buy anything else? This is gonna be unlocked for porn ootb and has better games and loonix support.

>>107186342
the cheat this time is foveated streaming in addition to the foveated rendering
I think it's a fancy way of saying the faster you move your eyes the worse the quality will be until you hold still.

>>107186355
Well it says streaming-first, but my PC sucks ass and I'm not planning on upgrading it anytime soon, playing VR games standalone is the only option for me now

>>107186324
If it is anything like my chinkshit miniPC APUs you can set the VRAM allocation in the BIOS so it might be unified ram, just in hardware not software.

>>107186373
Watcht the Linus Race Mixing Tips video

>8GB GDDR6

NVIDIA HATERS LITERALLY IN SHAMBLES

>>107186386
steam blew him

>>107186101
>do normies even know what steam is?
Yeah? That's how they play Counter-Strike, the most popular shooter.

>>107186342
i can stream 400mbps h.264 if my router plays along
tho i swapped to 150 av1 because my router shits itself for some reason

Interested to try the new controller. I actually really liked the shape of the previous one. But I'm curious how this one feels in the hands.

>>107186351
konqi won

>>107186080

I’ll believe it if it happens but it’s way more believable than Sleepy’s 10k/20k student loan sweepstakes.

>>107186258
wtf is with this ugly dude they put in their ad?

>>107186382
>so it might be unified ram
It's explicitly DDR5 and GDDR6, you do not unify this

>>107186454
bro...
that's gaben's daughter...

proton is about to btfo native windows on every front isn't it?

>>107186315
>>107186328
linus cocksucker says that they're working on custom prescription lenses for the headsets.

idk if they'll have prism like base up, though.

>>107186469
KEK

seething

>>107186342
The dongle should solve a lot of that especially the 6ghz band, a lot better than what current wirelessfags are doing which is having an entire dedicated 6e router in their room.

The real limiting factor is doing to be decoding on the headset, the quest 3 can't do more than 200mbps h.265/av10 and 960mbps for h.264(although wireless this craps out at 400mbps). If they get it right foviated rendering and streaming might be able to make up for this going to need actual VR retards with hands on to tell.

We need SteamOS ARM gaming laptops to compete with macs now and have all games run on them.

>>107186315
I'm not a blind unc yet, but can't you just like, use contacts while wearing the Steam Frame?

>>107185738 (OP)
Well, this is it. Windows is fucking dead.

>>107186315
always use inserts

>LCD
Damn that sucks. If it brings the cost down to $600 it might be worth it but I'm guessing this thing will be $899 with controllers.
>foveated streaming
It's odd foveated streaming is a thing before foveated rendering. Probably because gpu driver stacks are such a fucking mess it's not worth the dev time.
If they manage to fix linux VR with this I'll 100% get back into it, haven't touched VR since my og vive in 2018.

How do we finally kill Windows completely?

Autistic Review is out https://youtu.be/bWUxObt1efQ

>>107185913
>must consoom gnu/loonix hardware
unironically, yes. That's the only way we can break free from FAGMAN bs.

>>107186547
Foveated rendering is already a thing, it's just on developers or modders to implement it.

If this thing can feed out eye tracking data than it will be pretty trivial to implement if you have properly implemented openXR.

I thought the metaverse hype died, why now?

>>107185738 (OP)
>have large nose
>can't wear any vr gear comfortably
Feelsbadman

>>107185934
It's a gimped RX 7600 so around RTX 2070 level maybe?
Except you can forget about using any kind of Raytracing features since those would kill performance.
Basically slower than RTX4060 by 25-30% and no raytracing.
So it all comes down to how much this box is gonna cost.

>>107186609
I don't like raytracing anyway.

>>107186600
>jews aren't welcome in the virtual world
I'm sold

>>107186596
VR is cool, but the huge limiting factor is the cost coupled with how few good games there are for it. Once it's cheap enough, a market for it will naturally start growing.

>>107186609
Not entirely true, sometimes there's optimization done like some games did for the steam dreck that punched well above what was expected.

>>107185979
Looks like even a spic like me could be hired at Valve if I were to try hard enough

>>107186584
>already a thing
Yeah I know but everyone thought it would be ubiquitous by now. Instead you have to go looking for openXR games then see which of them actually support it.
>pretty trivial to implement
Doesn't seem like it otherwise we'd see it on by default everywhere.

always wondered why they don't just use gnome with extensions as gnome would work much better on the big screen and with the deck's touch screen imo

>>107185738 (OP)
If they somehow put a keyboard on that controller, it would be kino af

>>107186672
Getting hired at Valve is really hard. I tried and they sent me a letter back saying nice experience but we only hire people with hard gamedev experience try again later. I have ~8yr xp

>>107186694
because the built in big picture mode is already good enough for controller use
and when you want to go desktop mode you're targetting windows users and kde is the closest to that
you don't need a gay hybrid when you can let people flip between polar opposites

>>107186454

Wouldn’t seeing attractive people make Steam users feel out of place? These are alphabet people we’re talking about. They’re the most inclusive people around as long as they’re lefties or even better redditors.

>>107186672
I don't think so

>>107186694
Maybe they don't want their product to fail
Gnome is the number one deterrent in the linux ecosystem

>>107186620
Not a jew sadly, just some fucked up hick. Got the worst of both worlds, didn't even get a devious brain good at making money out of it.

>>107185863
Bullshit
GNUfags straight up hate anything that goes higher than a Intel 2 Duo Core

If modern games weren't so terrible the specs would be fine. Now I'm seeing 32 gb ram recommended on the latest garbage.

>>107186518

Ah shit…here we go again…

>>107186627
Yeah but at the same time performance may be worse or some games may not work at all because loonix
And for some games with shit optimization you can use dxvk on Windows too to get better performance. Played Persona 5R not that long ago and it's insane that it runs just as shit as P4G did without dxvk. Atlus literally learned nothing.

>>107186785
Post your uname -a

THANKS GABE

>>107185861
>black cube
Half Life 33 confirmed!!!

>>107185957
good thing I am not part of the modern audience and I am not a Valve shill. Only pirating games is honorable. All other means of gaming are for low life N-words.

>>107186518
Yes, but that also requires something similar to the following:

1. Pushing GPU rendered frames to CPU memory to be processed for USB delivery to the dongle.
2. The dongle doing its own processing to get it sent over wirelessly.
3. The headset receiving those frames, processing them, and decoding it before or after the next step.
4. Putting the frames into GPU memory on the headset itself and then rendering it to the screens.

Everything there is an extra step of latency that doesn't exist if I can plug the headset directly into my GPU.

And before people go "UM AKSHUALY THE PROCESS MIGHT BE MORE LIKE-" just shut the fuck up. We don't know what the process is, and that's not the point.

>>107186731
does this nigga look trustworthy to you? also for americans even having 1 white male is too much.

VR is just never gonna take off, i'm dreading the future....

>>107185738 (OP)
It's basically a NUC?

>>107185738 (OP)
can't wait to install windows 10 ltsc on it. $500 is a steal.

>>107186258
>AI, Make these 2 have sex so I can post on /gif/ in the /vdg/ - AI video general
>you decide who is male and/or female... not that i can make out whose gender is it is anyway.
>just make them both Futas.

Foveated Streaming
>>107186368
>in addition
>>107186547
>is a thing before foveated rendering

What is it? Sending eye position to better encode what you're looking at is worth doing? (2x wireless stack RTT)
Bless gaben praying for first class Linux support. I will (literally) cum. Had OG oculus devkit and rift 1 but not done VR for years coz seemed like a headache on loonix

>>107186922
>expecting drivers for custom hardware and wanting windows bloat to eat 20% of the performance
low iq

>>107185861
yikes the previous controller was actually usable if you liked trackpads. dualshock 3 controller is the only one that makes sense. troon socks

>>107186941
I'm gonna buy one for my parents and install windows on it, they need a new computer

>>107186928
the one on the left is male and the one on the right is female.

>>107186877
I don't think Valve would be advertising this yet if the dongle system was garbage and ran like shit. VR is latency sensitive

That being said the Steam Link experience was terrible even on ethernet with a high end gpu. I could tell I was looking at a video stream of a game and not the game.

>>107186962
they are both men.

>>107186956
If your parents work with CAD I'm sure their employer will buy them computers. Not aware of any other use cases for windows.

>>107186956
you can do this with a mini pc today, minisforum has one for $300 that flies, just do a clean install before you give it.

>>107185738 (OP)
>>107185863
>>107185913
>>107186956
>Locked into the Steam ecosystem
Tell me how this isn’t the same thing as Apple.

>>107186991
people play pirated games on steam decks kid

>>107186991
Because you can install any operating system on it, they even advertise that. Are you retarded?

>>107186991
hello? how did you find your way here from a ps5 discord server?
it's a fucking linux pc with custom hardware retard

>>107186991
Being locked into an ecosystem isn't bad at all, only windows users dislike that

FEX x86 emulator for Proton? it's official lads, and you should thank this brave and stunning woman for it!

>>107186991
Gonna have to try to do better
I know steam is muh evil but fuck

>>107186971
anon, they are both female

>>107186694
Because valve uses qt internally for everything and having something they can contribute to is preferred.
Thing is, they pay techpaladin to develop kde.
>t. Ex valve contractor

i wish this fuckers just put the price instead of just a "coming soon" page

>>107187019
I'm curious how this will be turned into a negative.

>>107187039
go to /v/ >>>/v/725663614

>>107186296
>popularized gambling, microtransactions, not owning games, drm, lootboxes and wants to microchip them
I wouldn't mind any of these things as long as they are done in the way Gaben did them. His ideas were good. Everything bad about these things came of from imitators.

>>107185738 (OP)
no displayport

wireless adds 2ms latency minimum... even if it is instant buy it will be always worse than my Index... 2ms is alot... 120hz at my index needs 8ms latency or it hits reprojection.. some dynamic less hz shit will only look worse..

but whatever it is instant buy for me, dust started getting under my Index lenses and it is pretty annoying and immersive breaking, so i need new headest

>>107186991
For decades, various antitrust investigations in EU and USA have determined that MS, Epic, and google have violated anti-monopoly laws. Apple's ecosystem does not, in fact despite a lot of pushback from Apple itself, because it eventually complies with any other open standards or practices such as the USB-c charging for devices.

>>107185738 (OP)
>2025
>AA batteries
Into the trash it goes

VVINNING

>>107187030
it will be quest 3 like price 500-600$ or else the normies just buy quest 3

>>107185738 (OP)
>Announce product
>Don't accounce any price

That Steam Box in particular - it all depends on how much it costs. Is it in the range of Consoles? In that case, epic. Steam OS is as easy to use as any console peasant OS if all you want is buy and play games from the store front it came with.
Is it as expensive as a gaming PC? Then what's the point.

>>107186596
This Appleoid seriously thinks they were ever in it for "the m*taverse."

>>107186699
Yeah, I figured as much. They are one of the top companies in the field after all.

>>107187095
nta but i fucking hope so
i want to get rid of my quest 3 so the zucc stops watching me masturbate

>>107187003
So does Apple OS games idiot.

>>107187007
A Linux version that has spyware, unsupported outside of AMD, requires signing a contract to access games and refuses to be open source. That’s the opposite of Linux.

>>107187008
>>107187019
>>107187007
>>107187007
Oh sure when Apple, Google and Microsoft do it it’s a bad thing but when another same corporation with the same awful logic comes along you people will accept it and ignore facts.

>>107187084
bruh do you not realize that batterys are better then charging? "oh sorry guys my controllers are dying gotta go charge them" compared to "oh hold on guys, let me take a minute to switch my batterys" NGMI in the vr world if you gotta fucking leave a game with your friends cause you forgot to charge your controllers.

>>107186907
It's basically a mobile phone with two screens attached, running Linux. It has an ARM processor.

>>107187144
he's talking about the steam machine

>>107187136
What's stopping you from installing your own OS on it?

>>107187151
Ah. Sorry.

>>107187136
anything you can do on this thing you can do on any other distro and even windows if it supports it
quit pretending like you know anything you utterly deranged low iq console/v/ermin

>>107187084
>>107187087
>Old people still think batteries are useful
Man fuck this guy, he is another billionaire that wants more money. He doesn’t care about gaming or Steam. You’re only helping him be richer and our gaming experience is being worse. Steam Frame offers nothing compare with streaming services like Moonlight.

>>107187084
lipo retard

>>107185892
It's form looks no different from any other controller. It just has the space in the middle taken up by trackpads, but from a form standpoint it's the same as controller where the handhold "lobes" come down from the D-pad/Button areas. You can even see the "traditional" controller shape outline.

>>107187136
>Linux version that has spyware
What spyware? It is a vanilla kernel.

>unsupported outside of AMD
It uses the standard open source drivers anon. You could use Intel or even Nvidia, but they don't perform as well.

>requires signing a contract to access games
You can switch it to desktop mode and run anything you want.

>refuses to be open source
But everything in the stack is upstream?

>>107187156
>>107187161
Not being able to work on Windows without errors or lag. You are so stuck in the Steam community that you don’t take a second look at other people’s progress.

>>107187206
the problem is windows retard, stop covering for them and stop being a fucking shabbos goy
to this fucking day windows will still overwrite your amd drivers and force you to reinstall that shit

>>107185738 (OP)
was thinking of building a mini ITX pc anyways, this looks pretty solid

>>107186940
>What is it
It uses eye tracking to render what you're looking at a full res (or upscale) and everything in your periphery at lower res. Supposedly can get up to like 70% compute savings but realistically probably 50%.
To me that means instead of rendering one 4k screen per eye your gpu just has to render the equivalent of one. Idk how this wasn't priority #1 for VR game devs, maybe it's just overhyped.
>seemed like a headache on loonix
It is. VR was the only thing keeping me on windows 10 until I stopped caring about VR, then the switch to linux was easy. Valve has dumped shit tons of money in VR dev and the end result is building everything from the ground up on ARM instead of fixing the shitshow that is x86 linux graphics.
My only concern is how closed source the Frame is going to be. Linux on ARM isn't terrible already but I think Valve has some magic sauce for gpu drivers, who knows if they'll share them or not.

>>107186877
Sure that's true if you're talking about directly hooking DisplayPort to a decoder to the screens latency will always be better.

Unfortunately we have yet to see a standalone headset have this it's always USB handled by the Processor to the decoder then screens which limits a lot of things. As for why they haven't taken advantage of DP through USB-C it's probably an architecture limitation of these repurposed mobile chips that keep getting used.

As for penalty there's no real latency difference between using the wireless and the usb cable at this point beyond packet loss. So if this thing can do high bitrates under 45ms it's going to be pretty great for atleast that.

>>107186609
>no MemeTracing
Yeah, good. Ok.

>>107185738 (OP)
Should lack of X3D be worrisome?

>>107187206
If you aren't able to work on windows without errors or lag maybe the problem is you not the computer

>>107187072
Hopefully they'll develop a G-buffer extrapolation standard. Application Spacewarp is half baked ... it's still half synchronous. Rendering and extrapolation for VR should be completely asynchronous, aka frameless rendering.

Intel showed it could be done.

>>107186351
Better than the bloated foot.

>>107187268
Most intelligent x3d babby

>>107187268
it doesn't need X3D. gpu isnt powerful enough. no serious wow raider is gonna play on this thing.

>gabecube supports hdmi cec
god bless

>>107186731
THAT'S PROBLEMATIC READ THE ROOM

>>107187172
they are useful, you're retarded

i'll buy it on release provided it's going to be $400

>>107187201
Steam is spyware, read the user agreement. It clearly says your information will be collected and sold to Facebook, Microsoft, Google and others. Don’t give me that “you can turn it off” nonsense when it’s only for basic information and not inside your personal Steam accounts.

AMD is the only one that works, stop trying to defend their decisions and their refusal to give support. Their a billion dollar corporation, not a small company.

The Steam User Agreement is a contract as stated in the contract. Your account is tied to this very specific agreement because you didn’t read it.

People can’t change SteamOS to make nvida work, they can’t change the software to stop the spyware and they can’t change Proton to not require Steam.

That’s an ecosystem anon. A garden only for people who are willing to kill gaming.

>>107187288
3 > 4 > 2 > 5 > 6 > 7 > 8 > 1

>>107187306
>they can’t change Proton to not require Steam
bro...

>>107186063
The Steam Machine on paper exceeds the spec of the current-gen consoles, save for the PS5 Pro.

The PS5 Pro is still RDNA2 but had some RDNA3~4 features Frankenstein'd into it, but it has 60 CUs compared to the Steam Machine's 28 - so it's going to win out on sheer horsepower.

>>107187288
1>2>3>4>5>6>7>8

>>107187325
>The Steam Machine on paper exceeds the spec of the current-gen consoles, save for the PS5 Pro.
ouch

>>107187306
I was running proton standalone on linux years ago. NGMI

>>107187325
The ps5 pro has a dogshit haswell tier cpu tho

>>107187270
The “computer” is a Chinese toy that can’t play 90% of games in Linux because you need Proton and Proton is locked into Steam Ecosystem. Valve Corporation is the problem here not the software or hardware, their decision and their product reflects their commitment towards making more money.

el cubo negro judio

>>107186032
the dyke next to him gets swapped for Rasheed

>>107186115

Dunno but the streaming uses foviated compression, basically it streams the eye tracked part at ultra high bitrate, and the periphery at lower bitrate, that way it can stream like 100mbs total video over 6ghz ultra low latency and your eye focus sees like gbps video almost native streamed in your focus like a little square that's 512x512 pixels, really smart idea, only adds like 2ms latency or something but keeps the overall bitrate down and you literally can't tell the difference between native and streamed.

Considering the headset is like 2000x2000 per eye and 144hz, they must have nailed it at least for that res and framerate... Short answer it shits all over all other streaming for vr, no more wires and you won't tell the difference.

>>107187344
Proton works fine without steam

>>107186468
No, but AMD can still create some tricks that allow near zero latency read/write between main RAM and GPU VRAM since it's a SoC and doesn't have to deal with a bus.

The main appeal of unified memory isn't so much the pooling of the memory amounts. It's the near-zero transfer between CPU and GPU worlds, which might mean the 8GB VRAM limit won't even be quite as big a bottleneck as we might think.

>>107187324
You shouldn’t need a company to tell you to sign a contract with them to access windows games. No there is no such thing as “proton without Steam” everyone on GitHub tried and failed.

>>107187172
>farms normies with lootboxes
>shovels money in FOSS
nah I'm thinking he based.

>>107187376
I really just want an HDMI input. I'm sick of dealing with the battery in my Q2. The battery life is surprisingly not bad even years later but I just don't want to deal with it.

>>107187391
you should really stop talking about subjects you don't know the first fucking thing about

>>107186342

Foviated streaming and 6ghz dongle should make it look native 2000x2000 per eye 144hz.

Basically valve wizzardry again, no more wires baby.

>>107186850
You're joking, but the official reveal trailer contains a scene with a guy playing at his PC desk and a slow camera pan, which eventually reveals a conspiciously out-of-place key on the keyboard. It's a blink-and-you'll miss it thing.

Know what the glyph is that's on that keyboard key?
The lambda.

>>107187380
No it doesn’t, Steam runs in the background. You can not use it without signing up to Steam. You aren’t allowed to modify it under Github agreements and everyone who tries to create a custom Proton version without permission of Steam loses the library that contains settings and optimizations for the games.

>>107186813
>performance may be worse or some games may not work at all because loonix
So let me get this right, your gripe is something was intended to be run somewhere else, and it's running 'substandard' or not at all...

And you think this is the fault of the environment it's being attempted, as opposed to the conscious descision to platform it only on one environment?

>>107186488

Xbox and windows for gaming is in trouble, now we know why valve held back on steam os, it was because they were optimising for other hardware and porting it to arm

>>107186731
>Valve is, I'm told, extremely white and extremely male.

>>107187306
>Steam is spyware
If you use Steam. Despite the name you don't have to use Steam on SteamOS. Also SteamOS is just a GNU/Linux distribution. There is nothing proprietary in it that matters.

>AMD is the only one that works
AMD are the only ones who have mature, high-performance, open-source gaming drivers. Nobody can fix Nvidia's current gaming driver problems other than Nvidia, and the open source drivers aren't there yet.

>People can’t change SteamOS to make nvida work
Sure they can, it is just Arch Linux after all. You just can't redistribute that and call it SteamOS. Just like you can't take Ubuntu, change the default install, and call that Ubuntu. Trademarks are different than source, its why some distributions have Ice Weasel as the default browser.

>can’t change Proton to not require Steam
Anon... what exactly do you think "Proton" is beyond Wine+DXVK?

>>107186956
How nice of you to select an OS that's going to constantly be a source of grief and assured to be infected rapidly.

What did they do to you?

>>107186518

The magic is the foviation, it can probably stream your focus at 180mbs for a 500x500 pixel square with the 20mbps left for the rest of the image, your brain/eyes won't even tell, it's a smart idea, allows them to keep latency and bitrate down but throw so much bitrate at the important part of the stream that it just looks native anyway.

Valve are fucking wizards

>steam frame claims it can run games at 4k with 60 fps with a 8GB of VRAM APU
so why did every techtuber claim 8GB of VRAM was not enough for 1080p

>>107187340
True. The Steam Machine undeniably is the absolute strongest on the CPU side.
Keep in mind as well: it has access to FSR4. The AMD driver is open-source and open to customization. And AMD had a leak a few months back of some files that were meant for internal-only use, which showed an FSR model working on Int8 basis, which RDNA3 and RDNA2 architectures can handle. Some people have already jerryrigged this into some games to testdrive it, and it works.

So it can actually be made to do very decent 4K upscaling, which puts it in a VERY competitive spot with current-gen consoles.

>>107187421
>Stop hurting Valve Corporation reputation
Maybe you should stop defending Valve Corporation. Linux isn’t good or better than the other platforms. They are not the good guys, they used lawyers to stop you from getting refunds. They stole patents from small USA companies. They were found lying to German authorities about ownership. Just stop.

>>107187430
How does proton-ge exist then? And why care? In all practical terms it works on any distro running all the gaymes you want.

>OS kde plasma
*KRASHES*

>>107187426
>Know what the glyph is that's on that keyboard key?
Confirmed

>>107187065
>I wouldn't mind any of these things
Every single one of those things is a cancer.

Why do you want cancer?

>>107187499
how the fuck are you on /g/ when you're this fucking clueless
linux is in fact better than windows for not having immutable spyware and not depending on a single fucking entity for its continued existence like what happened with microsoft's continued enshittification of windows
you're a retarded phone poster
cry all you want about it

whoa that steam frame is smaller than I thought

>>107187487
Because either A) they're shilling hardware by telling people they need to upgrade and/or shilling game developers who can't optimize for shit. Or B) genuinely caught between a rock and a hard place trying to be realistic with consumers when they see the writing on the wall with game developers who can't optimize for shit.

>>107187487
enjoy your fsr upscaled garbage

>>107186941
>>107186922
Okay I'm sorry, that was b8. But i know thats possible, just like on the steam deck. I hope people don't do this (but they have the freedom)
>>107186956
>I'm gonna buy one for my parents and install windows on it, they need a new computer
Faggot move

>>107187487
because game devs suck. giving them a standard platform to develop for works. that's why PC ports of console games are garbage. the games will have to fit into that 8gb of vram to run well on this thing.

Wow, the integration of the steam puck and and wifi hardware into the steam machine reaaaaally makes me consider just consooming.

>>107187536
Valve just said a machine with a frankenstein 7600 XT with 8gb of dedicated GDDR6 is enough for 4k, are you saying those techtubers know more than valve

>>107187426
I was talking about Masonic symbols... the lambda is a HL symbol... not related to the masonic stuff.

>>107187306
>People can’t change SteamOS to make nvida work
What doesn't work and why can't YOU fix it?

>>107186034
it's only been about exclusives (for Sony) for the past decade, and poors who couldn't afford a full PC setup in one go

>>107187527
I like Team fortress 2, cancer is in my bloodstream

These look pretty good, the only thing I'm really disappointed in is the fact that the controller has some integrated battery rather than AAs. I mean they saw the light and the VR controllers have AA batteries, but the regular controller doesn't? Kinda sucks, but I'm still getting one since the OG Steam Controller is my favorite PC controller and the Steam Deck is an upgrade to that, so I expect this to be as well.

The headset also looks decent for wireless VR, I like the foveated streaming / video compression and the fact that they're including a dedicated dongle for this. It looks like they're kind of serious about getting wireless to work properly, it's clearly a 1st class citizen. Price point will matter a lot and it seems like it doesn't have a real video input for proper wired play if one were to prefer that, but I guess that's not a major problem if their dedicated wireless system works properly. Might get one of these too, though the major dampener here is the fact that there aren't many worthwhile VR games around and I doubt I would prefer to stream regular games to this thing on a pretend monitor rather than just sitting in front of my real monitor.

The Steam Machine doesn't really interest me at all, I already have much faster PCs around.

>>107186267
Vision Pro is worthless and useless dogshit because it doesn't have standard controllers.

>>107187570
It will also be able to do raytracing, it's clear that steam knows something that we dont if they can run cyberpunk at 4k with raytracing while the ps4 pro cant

Wondering why they're doing this when you still can't check your controller battery in Steam

>>107187388
>since it's a SoC
It's not an SoC
Valve explicitly mentioned the CPU is semi-custom in that they lasered off the iGPU and that they are two different chips
I'm not even sure if an SoC with two different memory types concurrently even exist

>>107187139
>bruh do you not realize that batterys are better then charging?
Do you not realise, that in both senario you are charging batteries?

And with AA's, you're limited to inferior power storage. I strongly doubt they packaged them with eneloop pro, they'll be alkalines. Which is why most things use lithium now. Also, consider how much waste the AA 'ecosystem' produces.

>NGMI in the vr world
And being unable to see the correct solution is to be easily able to change over the lithium battery 4000+ charges into it's cycle (treated correctly) means you're NGMI in the real world. Everything you do will clusterfuck around your inability to understand what you are doing.

>>107187474
>>107187512
>>107187532
>>107187584
Maybe if it’s open source we could see if there is anything suspicious but no, you just believe in Valve to do the right thing.

Intel is more open source: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/topic-technology/open/overview.html
AMD is closed source compared to intel. Stop relaying the same propaganda from Reddit, loser.

Steam isn’t Arch if it’s closed source anon, that is illegal under their Linux license.

Proton is a proprietary software control by Valve with no possibility of users fixing anything, not open source or community sourced.

>>107187172
Really? you have no use for batteries, eh? That phone you're posting on says otherwise.

>>107186694
gnome fucks up extensions all the time and they would had never allowed things like allowing tearing

>>107187198
You mean the form $ony perfected in the early/mid 90's?

>>107187288
>CEC
Holy shit I will buy it as a secondary / media PC just for that.
If fully implemented, CEC can pass TV gyro remote to connected devices as mouse.

>>107185738 (OP)
>everyone in the promotional pictures are fat minorities

>>107187605
>It will also be able to do raytracing, it's clear that steam knows something that we dont if they can run cyberpunk at 4k with raytracing while the ps4 pro cant
What they know is they don't have to custom bake garbage for running on a locked up bsd system that gets one update every quarter, they can just use vulkan which gets better every day

>>107187658
that means it'll be cheap right

>>107185738 (OP)
Valve won, consoles are now obsolete.
Who's going to pay out the ass for a subscription to PSN/Game Pass when you can buy a Gabecube and play the same games for cheaper with no added costs?
SONY/Microsoft are going to have to actually try to please their customers for once if they want to stay relevant in the future.

my normie friend is buying the gabecube.

>>107185981
>kernel anti-cheat
the main thing holding this back from completely annihilating the non-nintendo console market

>>107187635
>Battery cant recharge
>Phone battery can be switched with a full charge while the other battery recharges
Losing a losing battle anon, everyone knows AA batteries don’t recharge.

>>107187622
>Maybe if it’s open source
Anon, it is a vanilla GNU/Linux.

>that is illegal under their Linux license.
Valve is not violating the GPL.

>Proton is a proprietary software
Proton is open source. It is literally just Wine+DXVK. There are other distributions of it, the only 'proprietary' thing is the trademark, and Valve is kind of lax with enforcement considering ProtonGE.

>>107187549
techtubers said it was impossible to run 60 fps on 4k on gb of vram regardless if you were using upscaler did they lie?

>>107186258
Do faggots like this only live on the left coast? I've never seen one of these ugly fuckers in person before

>>107187727
average californian person looks like that now.

cube will be able to handle switch emulation right? it could be nice to have. steam needs to do some streaming TV/Movie integration also to make it a complete drop-in for an Xbox.

>>107187499
>Linux isn’t good or better than the other platforms
As evidenced by the sheer number of machines that run linux. To actually do something that matters. *nix stops working now, your world stops a few seconds later.

Windows stops working... A few people are without porn, even less can't CAD. Other consequences? lol.

>>107187752
you sure? I thought they were all Mexican

>>107187767
no thats florida

Retard here, If I already have vive 3.0 trackers and their lighthouses is there any reason they would no longer work if I ditch an index for a Frame?

>>107187570
>4k @ 60FPS using FSR
Are you retarded or just being purposefully obtuse? Any person with half a brain can read between the lines and see its not the same as being able to do 4k natively (at a framerate above 60).

>>107187763
Yes, 100% even the fucking Steam Deck can handle MOST of the titles.

>>107187622
Stupid lying kike.

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton?tab=License-1-ov-file

>>107187764
>t. has never worked in a corporate environment

>>107187784
nvidia does the same thing. they slap DLSS on everything. you cant do native anymore. they even brag and say "DLSS is better than native" as in 1707x960 is better than 2560x1440.

>>107187787
-And recent phones.
Switch emulation was rapid and really optimized with a focus on Android/Mac/Arm from the beginning.

https://youtu.be/dU3ru09HTng?t=695

lol the steam frame was engineered by a troon

troons win again

>>107187763
>steam needs to do some streaming TV/Movie integration

This already works on the steam deck so should work without issues I imagine

>>107187808
is it one
i dont pay attention

>>107187806
>ngreedia
stopped reading there.

>>107187808
Every teach worker eventually troons out

>>107187813
Unironically believe all valve people are pirating all of their movies anyway.

>is called the steam machine
>doesn't play any daft punk music as a homage to the duo

>>107187714
>>107187791
>ItSOPenSoRcE
Nowhere near the SteamOS page does Valve say it’s open source. Proton is not open source, their Github repository refuses important libraries to be used. All you are saying is “trust me bro” with clearly false claims.

>>107187808
>troons win again
Coding trannies carry software development. Look at the fucking lsfg port over night or other crazy reverse engineering shit like loonix on mac.
t.friendly chaser

>>107187822
>DLSS 480p on Switch 2 is better for you than real 1080p

>>107187831
sure, jellyfin and plex work as well

>>107187806
Bog standard marketing at this point, I don't know why anyone should be surprised. If you don't say "4K" somewhere the normies won't look at it. At least Valves marketing in that posted image is pretty straightforward in that they mention FSR and don't just do some bullshit with an asterisk which leads to a fineprint.

>>107187710
How can I tell you've never heard of panasonic eneloop pro?

Hint: Because your head is so far up your arse you can give yourself a dental exam.

>>107187836
Proof that statement and i will apologize.

>>107187784
Look at hardware unboxed, they clearly said upscaling will not help 8GB VRAM in 2025 at 1080p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLtlZnWZGt0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LhS0_ra9c4

It's impossible to run at 60 FPS on modern games based on what they said even if you use upscalers, so how can valve doing it.

>>107187854
I don't think normies care about specific raytracing or DLSS features to be honest, they just lobby to get engines and game developers to buy into the nvidia ecosystem

>>107187806
I'm not talking about using upscaling im talking about it hitting 60 fps with it.

>>107187831
>pirating
remember? picrel

>>107187801
Explaining why corporations such as google, microsoft, and amazon all use it, daily, for 'mission critical' roles.

>>107187869
it's like apple and 8GB of RAM. slapping linux on the box gives you extra 8GB of VRAM duh

>>107187895
inb4 "emulation =/= piracy"

>>107185738 (OP)
>steam machine isn't styled after a portal pc or companion cube
Absolute soulless design

>>107187833
Or in fact, produce any steam (intentionally)

>>107187906
zram = double ram
t.fedora zram enjoyer

>>107185738 (OP)
i like the shape of the cube
but it better be cheap

>>107187854
>>107187871
image quality is degrading because they're trying to push less than 1080p = better than real 1440p

>>107187889
60fps is possible the cpu is powerful enough. the gpu has upscaling and custom drivers that are faster than windows by a considerable amount.

>>107187929
It's like $300 worth of hardware. 6x more powerful than a steam deck is basically a 4060

>>107187728
>1.2V

>>107185738 (OP)
Back to /v/

>>107186032
came here to post this

>>107186095
>>fresnel lenses
how'd you get this wrong immediately you absolute retard?

>>107187937
not really true when you use heavy upscaling the load goes into the gpu rather than the cpu , techtubers are sure games simply do not run well with only 8gb vram even at 1080p using heavy upscaling because of the vram issue look at the videos see >>107187869

>>107187945
>Slow down, Turbo! You'll get us killed again.

>>107187968
they're doing all their testing on windows which is irrelevant. xbox handheld is 40% slower on windows 11 than using steamos. thats how much better linux drivers are.

>>107187325
>>107187336
the PS5 has 36 CUs, XSX has 52 CUs, Steam Machine has 28 CUs
RDNA3 isn't a 30+% improvement over RDNA2, it's at best a 15% improvement (see 6600XT vs 7600, the Steam Machine is a 7400 btw)
>>107187340
this is the only thing the Steam Machine has a clear win over any current console, not quite the advantage with its dogshit gpu
>>107187489
current gen consoles could do FSR4 too, both of them are pretty much RDNA2 chips with far more compute to spare than the Steam Machine

>>107187965
i dont give a fuck what lenses they have
they get mogged by a $500 headset

>>107187487
they explicitly talk about upscaling in the same line, if you upscale from 360p a 4 GB GPU might be enough for 4K

>>107187979
thats only for handhelds check this basically on SoCs linux is still way worse https://www.computerbase.de/artikel/betriebssysteme/linux-windows-11-gaming-benchmarks-2025.93542/

>>107187998
>Steam Machine is a 7400 btw
TDP is a better performance indicator within one gen
7400 is 28CU but gimped to 55W
7600 is 32CU but 165W
SM is 28CU but 110W, exactly between the two
It will be 5700XT to 6600XT raw raster performance equivalent

>>107187869
>It's impossible to run at 60 FPS on modern games based on what they said even if you use upscalers, so how can valve doing it.

Because your make a lot of assumptions here about the targets for this Valve box. No where in that marketing picture does it say "Modern" or "AAA" games. There are a lot of games that work just fine on 8GB VRAM at 1080p. You just can't crank the settings, especially textures. I play at 1080p with a 3070 8GB. I have no problem running "modern" titles (BF6 being my most recent mistake). Like the Steam Deck, I don't think Valve is strictly targeting cutting edge AAA titles with max setting. There are a shit ton of older games out there.

You know what, this doesn't seem so bad.
>weight without strap: 185g
>bigscreen beyond: 107g
Yeah it's heavier but not dramatically so, and it seems lighter than most "legacy" headsets.
The strap is heavy as fuck but as I understand it that's where the battery is, which is neat, and being wireless is actually a nice selling point which the BB2 doesn't have.
I'd say being standalone is fucking useless for PCVR but honestly it might be neat for shitposting or playing really lightweight stuff. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the system necessary for wireless streaming needed to be powerful enough that also making it able to run standalone didn't even add that much to the weight.

The BB2 has noticeably better resolution but the Frame has much better refresh rate. Bummer, if only valve had gotten the resolution right, I think it would've been objectively the best headset right now.

>>107186518
The main thing I'm afraid of is always latency. It's not an insurmountable problem because wireless mice have solved it, but the combination of low latency and high bandwidth seems to be a very difficult problem.
Everyone hates latency under normal circumstances and VR is always a lot more sensitive to this stuff, you really don't want to miss more than a frame at 144Hz so it should be <7ms for sure, ideally less to reduce the chance of a frame lag.
The dongle does look promising though so I really, really hope they got it to work.

>>107187937
>image quality is degrading because they're trying to push less than 1080p = better than real 1440p
Maybe.

*OR*

Maybe it was attempting to use jewtoob as a viable data source, and the compression used in their codec mushed all the data...

Kinda like how stupid it is to try and show how good your TV screen is, on the customers existing screen in an advert...

>>107187945
Generally, they list as 1.2V, yeah. That 0.3V isn't enough to matter in a vast number of applications, most things worry more about amp.

A rechargable AA with decent chemistry - like an eneloop pro (no, I'm not paid, you won't find better) will be listing 1.37V @ 25% discharged...

They also use the rated ampage as a *minimum* capacity, not maximum. Them things you picture actually hold 3.6A? What's the discharge profile like? Charge 'em to full, put 'em in a drawer, and leave 'em for 6 month, how much power left in 'em?

>>107188128
you care way too much it's just some batteries brother

>>107188027
>thats only for handhelds check this basically on SoCs linux is still way worse
You realise how retarded that sounds?

You have the same software on two different hardware platforms, yet the discrepancy is the software?

>>107188150
I like things to work.

>>107188128
>Them things you picture actually hold 3.6A?
Nope them things employ scammer tricks and list mWh, not A
It's just more convenient to have usb charger and charge controller inside the battery

>>107188128
*75% discharged

I'll learn how to read my battery charger one day (nitcore, FTW)

>>107188164
It *is* more convenient.

But it's also an inevitability that batter will be needing replacement. This is something that needs addressing in a lot of cases.

Tire pressure sensors are a good one...

>>107186991

It is the same thing Apple does. But shhh don’t tell /g/ it distorts their narrative harder than Kamala Harris’ Presidential Campaign.

reminder apple just announced it is blocking sideloading on iphones

while valve is releasing a basedbox that is just a linux OS under the hood that is free to play with for all your tinker tranny needs

how are these companies equivalent in any way

>>107188315
Gotta admit, they are a bit rapey with their victims, I mean users...
That's both of them. The only reason it isn't locked down for alternate installs is the PC people have experienced better and won't go backwards. Tardphone users have proven they will accept any bullshit peddled in a shiny package.

>>107186731
this motherfucker looks inbred. look at the spacing of his fucking eyes

>>107187388
The CPU and GPU are separate. GPU is most likely going through PCI-E 4 x8

>>107186584
i hope foveated rendering is ever implemented in desktop use, like a fucking eye tracking camera is for sure cheaper than going a couple of tiers of gpu higher

The vr headset is really interesting, apparently it's able to be wireless because of the eye tracking letting them render the focused area at higher resolution while everything else is compressed
I'll be able to just plug this thing in and use it without any prep

>>107187072
>no displayport
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steammachine

I thought you guys were supposed to be smart.....

>>107188962
Even an LLM could have inferred the post that you are quoting was referring to the VR display. It's really a fucking sad sight that the posters on this board are ACTUALLY dumber than LLMs now.

how does this vr headset compare to the other models on the market now? Is there anything better spec wise on the market?

>>107186526
>>107186533
Doesn't solve the IPD issue.

>>107188039
You're saying the steam machine will be between ps5 and the ps5 pro?

>>107188962
This website is free. You can file your complaints at your local poop eating festival.

>>107186518
They demoed it. They hurdled the hurdels.