Why wasn't FDR's new bill of rights implemented?

Because all those things must be provided by others, making it slavery. Rights were supposed to protect you from the government.

>>17757783 (OP)
It's communist garbage

>>17757790
>>17757794
>right to medical care is slavery and communist
very good keep talking

>>17757947
>right to other people's money is slavery and communist
Yes.

>>17757947
You don't have the right to someone else's time and labor, that's infringing on their rights and agency. Houses don't just appear. Healthcare isn't magic. Education isn't instant. They all require someone else who is entitled to compensation for their own time, skill, and labor

>>17757790
>>17757953
>>17757972
Do you have a right to the government protecting you?
To do that it must compel labor and money in the form of police and military service.
So why are you entitled to that labor when it comes to stopping foreign invasions, but not in the case of healthcare?

>>17757998
You don't. The military doesn't exist to protect you, it exists to protect the nation. Meaning the actual physical borders and institution, and by proxy citizens. And you pay for that with taxes to fund VOLUNTEERS in the military and their training and tech. It's not free it's purchased.

Meanwhile doctors have to attend 8 years of schools and rack up $100,000s of debt for an extremely specialized, and there high payed skillset. The government can't just then tell them to spend that skill and time they would otherwise be compensated for to take care of people for free. Healthcare is a product, not a right. Food is not a right. Shelter is not a right.

>>17757794
Try saying that when you're unable to obtain one of the things on that list after years or decades of trying to pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

>>17758030
Damn the human condition exists and is unfair and random? Crazy

>>17758035
>Damn the human condition exists and is unfair and random therefore we should do nothing to improve it

>>17758015
The nation and the people are one in the same.
That money is compelled from me and every other citizen. Stolen and used to pay for a service I may or may not have consented to.
If I didn't want to pay for the military, I would be arrested and imprisoned against my will.

The military in a nation like the US can get by on volunteers because its a popular career path that people join out of choice in large enough numbers to make conscription unnecessary most of the time.
If it wasn't, the military would require conscription, as is common in many countries around the world.
You didn't consider any counterfactuals when making that statement. It is merely convenience that makes it so something like the US Army is a volunteer force and if it couldn't get those volunteers, it would conscript en masse to fill its roles. As drafts have done historically.

There's no reason at all to think that government provided healthcare wouldn't be similar to government provided defense against foreign invasion as a popular and lucrative career path that people would join voluntarily in large numbers.
You're at the same time whitewashing and fearmongering at the same time.

>>17758035
>complain about communism being unfair
>well what about how capitalism is unfair?
>Damn, the human co- ACK

>>17758036
The fact you have the option for any of those things at all is an extreme improvement from most humans who ever lived. There is a limit to how much we can augment reality

>>17757953
>except when it's spent on soldiers and missiles, then it's fucken BASED

>>17758042
>I've decided that this is enough
You have no say in anything

>>17758042
And in 100 years people are going to have far more than we do today.
So lets set our standards for the future and not the barbaric past.

>>17757783 (OP)
>Why wasn't FDR's new bill of rights implemented?
Because non whites are not worthy to receive such benefits and making whites obligated to provide those benefits to blacks would bankrupt the nation.

>>17758039
First off, The oath taken by the military is to protect and defend the constitution, not the citizens. The military exists to protect and preserve the state.
Sexually, nobody, and I mean nobody, would pay the cost and spend the time required to be a doctor for the pay the military receives lol. Absolute delusion.
We put as much money as we do into defense and soldiers and sailors make fuck all pay. And they're okay with it because they do it typically in lieu of higher education or better career prospects. To imagine we had the money to spend even that amount on healthcare, doubling the government budget and still expect doctors to take that shit salary? You're joking.

And then in your line of thinking what about those who wouldn't want to pay for shitty second rate government healthcare, especially if they can afford it on their own? Are they being stolen from as well in your scenario?

>>17758059
>>17758062
This is really the basic divide between left and right: idealism vs pragmatism.

Yes free healthcare and housing and unlimited money and gibs sounds awesome.

>>17758062
>people in the past had lower standards of living than today because they lived pre-industrial revolution?
>no it's because they didn't have FDR's bill of rights or something

>>17757783 (OP)
Because it’s all undefinable nonsense. The original bill of rights was written with very explicit legally binding language, while this shit is some 5 year old’s fanfiction decree.

>>17757998
You don't have a right to protection. People can just stab you in the street, you are not guaranteed to it. What you can be guaranteed to is that the government will not arrest you from speaking your mind, will not arrest you for bearing a weapon, does not bar women from being able to cast a vote, cannot force you to testify against yourself, are you getting it yet?

>>17757998
Protection from foreign adversaries is the primary duty of the state. What duty do you have to pay for my goods and services?

>>17758084
>Yes free healthcare and housing and unlimited money and gibs sounds awesome.
No one talked about unlimited anything; these services will never be free but you have the choice of pooling resources,humans have been doing this since forever but now it's bad because a guy in germany wrote a book once; it's still pragmatic

>>17758072
The Constitution starts with "We the People....".
An oath to it is an oath to the general population.
The US Army doesn't serve some abstract concept but real material things and persons.

Soldiers don't have to sign up to the military already knowing how to drive a tank or fly a jet. The military provides training.
This goes for both volunteer militaries and conscript militaries.
If we treated being a soldier like a doctor, fitting with your narrative, then you'd already have to have shelled out tens of thousands of dollars in piloting lessons, to ever sign up for the Air Force and fly a plane. No one would ever do that, obviously.
Instead, the State works to facilitate that training and offload the costs onto itself and the money it steals from the population. No one joining up as a tanker takes on the economic risk of having to learn how to drive and service a tank themselves in the collegiate or trade school education market.

There's no reason to think that you couldn't have a similar scenario in any government run healthcare system.
Where the State facilitates education in a manner that minimizes the expense and economic risk the student experiences in training.
The reality is that being a doctor has a far more expensive barrier to entry than is necessary for how materially cheap it is to be educated in. A fighter pilot requires multi-million dollar planes to learn on, a doctor requires cadavers and practice patients, which are basically free.

If people don't trust the military or police to keep them safe, they can pay for private security companies.
I don't see any reason to think that this would go away.

>>17758114
We don't have a choice, we are all born into a country that has already voted their way into our future wallets. They literally engineer the economy around this.

>>17758113
What duty do I have to pay taxes to the government?
What if I want to freeball it and think I can take care of myself?
Obviously I can freely send a letter to the government and they'll accept that they don't have to do their duty to protect me anymore.

>>17758109
You do have a right to protection.
If Mexico invades the US tomorrow, you have a right to the military working to preserve your life, liberty, and property.
Someone could break your jaw for using free speech, that doesn't mean anything regarding your right to it. Individual persons can violate legal rights all the time. Another duty of the State is to ameliorate that.

>>17758126
>What duty do I have to pay taxes to the government?
Romans 13:6
>What if I want to freeball it and think I can take care of myself?
You're supposed to take care of yourself, you're so mindbroken by modern statism you think the government's job is to babysit you
>Obviously I can freely send a letter to the government and they'll accept that they don't have to do their duty to protect me anymore.
The government never had a duty to protect you, nor do they do any such thing. The government's duty is to defend the nation and punish evil, neither of which consists of being your bodyguard. If you get ambushed in an alleyway by a crackhead with a knife, the government isn't going to save you. Nor would it be correct to say the government deprived you of your rights by failing to do so. The person with a duty not to stab you up is the guy with a knife, not everybody else. Likewise, you are not entitled to property. The rest of the nation is not depriving you of your rights by failing to give you property.

>>17758140
>If Mexico invades the US tomorrow, you have a right to the military working to preserve your life, liberty, and property.
But this is a right of the nation, not the individual. Nor does it somehow generalize to you being entitled to property.

>>17758140
If the generals find it expedient, my state/area code/town can get invaded. Did the sailors on the USS Liberty have a right to protection? Or the people in and around Pearl Harbor? Your protection cannot be guaranteed, calling it a right is folly. Ideally everyone would be safe and happy, of course. But to start calling everything we want rights is merely the government putting it's dick into the equation.

>>17758231
To continue, if the government decides that housing is a right, they will then proceed to take over/heavily regulate the housing sector to enforce it, same with medicine, food, whatever you want to call your rights. It is a power grab.

>>17758100
> The original bill of rights was written with very explicit legally binding language
Which is why the SCOTUS has essentially concluded that half of the second amendment is just fluff; because the original ten amendments are so succinct and specific and not at all themselves lofty and kind of ambiguous ideas that needed to be fleshed out through Supreme Court jurisprudence.
Random fun fact: the exact language of the constitution is based on the drafters making a bunch of bullet points of what they wanted in there, producing a draft, then giving that draft to something called “The Style Committee” to make the text sound more fancy without regard for precisely capturing the legislative purpose.

>>17758147
>You're supposed to take care of yourself, you're so mindbroken by modern statism you think the government's job is to babysit you
Deeply retarded reply.
It is not me that decides the State has to protect me, it is the State that enforces that protection at the threat of imprisonment if I don't give them my money.
The nation and the people are the same thing. When you protect me from the Mexicans, Canadians, Chinese, etc., you are acting as a bodyguard to me. Relative distance is irrelevant because it is a duty for a parent to protect their child, but not their duty to prevent their kid from scraping their knees. Just because the protection has a practical limit, doesn't mean that it isn't still a duty.

The State has claimed for itself a duty of protection and enforces that with violence against me.
And I have no ability to secede from this protection racket, either. I can't tell the US Army that my home is my responsibility and they don't have to hold off the Chinese from invading, I'll handle that.

>>17758231
A failure to uphold protection is a practical guarantee in some circumstances.
That is why survivors of those events were compensated by the State as reimbursement for failure of duty.
You have a right to not house any soldiery without consent, but if a US Marine breaks into your house and steals your bed at gunpoint, that right still exists and the State, following its duty, will expel him from the property if you contact him.
>>17758236
The State already massively regulates many necessary industries.
Food, communications, water, electricity, transit, etc.
Do you feel oppressed when you have to get a driver's license?

>>17758420
>It is not me that decides the State has to protect me, it is the State that enforces that protection at the threat of imprisonment if I don't give them my money
Again, the state does not protect you, it defends your country and punished evil in the same.
>The nation and the people are the same thing.
You personally and your nation are not the same thing. In the event of invasion it may be warranted for the state to sacrifice your life to secure victory.
>it is a duty for a parent to protect their child
The state is not your daddy. Mindbroken, Caesarotheist statist slave.
>The State has claimed for itself a duty of protection
It has not, and if it did it would be irrelevant because that is not its duty.
>And I have no ability to secede from this protection racket
Therefore you want the government to take more of your money to give it to other people who have no rights over it
oh that's right, these are only your principles insofar as it benefits you

>>17757790
>>17757794
I swear I can't wait to see you people be a minority.

>>17758474
Trump won

>>17758084
Yes and White people are in the way of decent life, but its ok they be minority and then life will get better.

>>17758478
Yes and america is dying because of his stupid, thank god he won.

>>17757783 (OP)
>None of it actionable
You can pass bills to give people shit but you can't give them the right to shit, simply the right to do shit or not have shit done to them

>Pass new bill of rights
>Government instantly has to employ millions of Americans with no existing infrastructure, funding, or organizations and if they can't than citizens can sue the state

>>17758492
America is thriving, tranny. Imagine the hellscape if Kamela won

>>17757783 (OP)

>>17758437
>Do you feel oppressed when you have to get a driver's license?
Yes.

>>17758474
I would not move to a country where I'm the minority and demand they provide for me, it is the height of entitlement.

>>17758815
Well what if they didn't come to the country willingly?

>>17757783 (OP)
Because it’s a bastardization of the original bill of rights. The original bill of rights simply and cleanly outlines rights that the federal government cannot take away from you, while this atrocious document is saying that the government is obligated to provide gibs to you regardless of its means to do so.

>>17758863
If this is a bastard than call me the dad that step up.

>>17758863
>outlines rights that the federal government cannot take away from you
What about the 5th and 6th amendments?

>Right to medical care
>1940's
Please tell me about all the doctors fdr sent to bumfuck nowhere to give farmers checkups

>>17759110
You have the right to not be forced to incriminate yourself, the government cannot take away your right to plead the fifth.

>>17757790
> “Because all those things must be provided by others, making it slavery. Rights were supposed to protect you from the government.”

Why does the US constitution allow the right to an attorney? You can’t force lawyers to provide their labor for you. That’s slavery

>>17759222
uh huh
how bout the other clauses of those amendments, big guy

>>17759299
Only if the state wants to prosecute you. You cannot demand an attorney to advocate for you as a plaintiff for example. Nor can you demand one for civil cases.

It's not so much a right to an attorney as a duty levied on the government if they wish to go after their citizens.

>>17757790
you do realize the government can just print money and give it to whoever it wants, right? You don't have rights. You have privileges and the government owns you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_FQZUSy1Vg

>>17759442
>It's not so much a right to an attorney as a duty levied on the government if they wish to go after their citizens.
the first amendment of the second BOR, having a job, is not so much a right as a duty levied on the government if they wish to tax citizens.

>>17758550
Actval trvke

>>17759505
I mean, I'm completely for ending federal income tax so those terms are acceptable.

Main takeway from this thread is that government taxation is bullshit, and we should either get our money's worth or stop paying
I feel like this is a very very old argument

>>17759496
>you have privileges and the government owns you
You don't see the immorality in your own statement? You think it should be this way? They they call themselves public servants and they own you.

I think ideally we should abolish residential property taxes because people who own houses and their own property shouldn't be fuckd over but to compensate we should raise corporate property taxes (surely the CEOs in charge wouldn't fine this to be much of a loss since they don't have to pay taxes on their home right?)

>>17760356
I think ideally we should stop all taxation/welfare, starting at the top with bailouts and at the bottom with taxes to appease big government fans

Because giving everyone free stuff means "DeShaun gets free stuff at my expense and yours."

>>17759116
>AI Overview
>"New Deal Medicine" primarily refers to the historical research and analysis of the Farm Security Administration (FSA) health programs during the 1930s and 40s, as documented in Michael R. Grey's book "New Deal Medicine: The Rural Health Programs of the Farm Security Administration". However, the term can also broadly refer to the New Deal's broader impact on healthcare and social welfare, including the later Green New Deal proposal.
>Historical Context:
>The New Deal (1933-1941):
>President Franklin D. Roosevelt's programs aimed to address the Great Depression through relief, recovery, and reform.
>FSA and Rural Health:
>The FSA, a New Deal agency, provided direct medical assistance, clinics, and other healthcare services to rural communities facing hardship.

>>17761302
Should we just let the weak die?

>>17759496
>unironically posting george carlin
hahahaha

>>17761314
yes because they deserve it
unless its me
i should get bailed out by the government because my failures are caused by a 10000 year old jewish wizard conspiracy

>>17758474
B A S E D
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The day of the single-digit IQ muttmerican's reckoning is coming

>>17757783 (OP)
Because he had Huey Long killed who would have had the ability to pass it.

>>17757953
In that case America has been a slave and communist state since its founding, just on a smaller scale. There were always small federal programs for select groups of people from the beginning.

>>17757998
>So why are you entitled to that labor when it comes to stopping foreign invasions
I'm not

>>17761338
this but unironically

>>17757783 (OP)
God hes retarded. This is so poorly drafted.

>>17757783 (OP)
>>17757794
>positive rights such as rhe right to a standard and dignified living condution
Communist garbage
>negative rights
Absolutely and positively american, I must be allowed to be a gay furry or else this is a tyranny

>>17764491
this but unironically

>>17757972
>They all require someone else who is entitled to compensation for their own time, skill, and labor
Government foots that bill

>>17765875
Government funds itself robbing it's citizens at gunpoint.

>>17766098
Leave then, retard, no one is forcing you to stay

>>17759222
>the government cannot take away your right to plead the fifth.
The judge at your trial can hold you in contempt of court for trying that.

>>17758857
you can leave at any time

>>17757783 (OP)
America didn't remotely have the ability to provide all of those things in the 1940s, so if they were put in the constitution they would have made it a joke on par with the USSR's.

>>17767013
Name the case.

>>17761314
There are no weak people alive. Donovan (crip daddy) is in a wheelchair that breathes for him and he still creates value by writing jokes and doing comedy. He makes a living doing it. There is literally no excuse for not creating any value on this planet.

>>17767921
Excuse me "made a living". Just found out he's fucking dead.

>>17757998
>Do you have a right to the government protecting you?
yeah I pay taxes
>To do that it must compel labor and money in the form of police and military service.
which is why I pay taxes
>So why are you entitled to that labor when it comes to stopping foreign invasions,
because i pay taxes
>but not in the case of healthcare?
they ran out of my tax money

>>17767023
Not in this economy.

>>17767920
No specific case but when I was at the courthouse (I used to get a sandwich and coke and watch court like I was at a play or something on my days off), one of the defendants was up there and the judge got sick of him pleading the fifth and told him to answer the question or he'd be held in contempt.

If you choose to testify in a criminal case, you waive your right to silence and can be questioned about anything relevant to the case. There are a variety of situations where it doesn't work, and the jury won't exactly take your continued invocation of the fifth as anything less than a tacit admission of guilt. I never went to court for any of the times I got arrested (except for a traffic accident lol) because I just refused to acknowledge that I was read my Miranda rights. After the tenth or so time I was like "no I don't understand officer could you repeat that again :)" and he finally snapped and went "ok fuck you" and took me to jail for the night, but they couldn't charge me because I didn't technically get ready my rights. It was mean to do but frankly he had just smashed my head into the concrete and there was blood oozing down my face so I really wasn't in a generous mood.

>>17769090
I was on a grand jury. People we brought in as witnesses plead the fifth about half the time, usually halfway through when their own shady behavior was brought up, and the AUSAs just let them go.
Could we or somebody have charged them with contempt? Some of those assholes, it would have been really nice to.

>>17757783 (OP)
Holy hell, he was a literal commie.
I thought it was a meme.

>>17769180
Anon, his admin was filled with either Soviet sympathizers or downright spies. He pursued the "Germany First" strategy against both the army and navy's wishes solely because he wanted to help the Soviets.

>>17769090
Choosing to testify explicitly waives the fifth. You cannot be forced to testify against yourself so if you still take the stand there is no force. Law is not that difficult.

>>17769090
>but they couldn't charge me because I didn't technically get ready my rights.
???
That’s not how it works. You only mirandize someone if you’re questioning them. The mirandizing gets the statements into evidence at trial. Mirandizing isn’t some magical prerequisite to allowing police and the courts to assert any authority over an individual

>>17758093
I mean even if the technology is there things don't fall out of the sky

>>17757783 (OP)
its a nice sentiment but how would it actually work in practice?

>>17770552
Don't tell him, he's gonna end up on an "epic karen freakout getting arrested" video on youtube and we can all laugh.

>>17770224
>the one time America had a president who cared about ordinary people, he was also pro-Soviet
wow, really makes you think

>>17770606
>am I being detained?
>AMIBEINGDETAINEDAMIBEINGDETAINED
AMIBEINGDETAINEDAMIBEINGDETAINED
>yes
>Am I- ... why
>why am I being detained?
>WHYAMIBEINGDETAINEDWHYAMIBEINGDETAINEDWHYAMIBEINGDETAINED
>because you just ran a child over with your car
>WHY AM I BEING DETAINED YOU DIDN'T TELL ME WHY I'M BEING DETAINED
>yes I did
>NO YOU DIDN'T WHY AM I BEING DETAINED
>well now you're being placed under arrest
>I'M NOT UNDER ARREST I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WHERE ARE MY MIRANDA RIGHTS I'M SUING YOUR WHOLE DEPARTMENT
every one of these videos is exactly the same and yet I can't stop watching them

>>17770642
I personally love how when you search "karen compilation" you get white people starbucks/parking lot spats but search "karen arrested" and it's all black bitches bragging about their knowledge of the law before breaking the law full frontal on a bodycam and then crying when they hit the ground.

>>17770552
Huh. Must have been the complete lack of evidence against me then. Thanks for clearing it up anon.

>>17771069
I don’t know any of the circumstances on your arrests but if charges were actually being filed and you didn’t show up to court, then there’s probable a few active warrants with your name on them

>>17771233
The state prosecutor dropped the case once the video came out and showed them kicking my ass over nothing.

>>17769180
Cotton hill gave him the finger for a reason

>>17757953
>>17758072
>swear an oath to a document that starts with “We the people”
>UHHHHHH AKSHUALLY ITS NOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE
I can’t wait for the actual holocaust

>>17759496
>unironically posts George Carlin
Are you my 65 year old boomer ancap father by chance?

>>17772016
yeah be thankful dash/body cams exist today because if this was the 70s the cop could beat the shit out of you and there'd be no way to prove it--that stuff used happen all the time.

>>17769180
>had no desire to nationalize industry
>saved capitalism from itself
>offers scraps to the workers
>21st century rightoids insist this makes him a communist
el
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ay
oh

The Supreme Court
Worse than useless, socialist retard
One of our worst Presidents

>>17772536
Believe me, I know. I'm glad "fuck the pigs/system" has become a more widespread mentality, some of the stories the old timers tell have chilled my bones.

FDR's Justice Department invented the meme that Congress could regulate anything that ever could pass over state borders which was a doctrine the Founders wouldn't have been familiar with. There was a glownigger shill on /pol/ earlier today arguing with me about that.

>>17772666
Go back and stay there then

>>17772536
Especially if you were black or Mexican there was a really high probability of that.

>>17772682
good

>>17772536
Read about the 1980 Miami riots for an example.

>>17772596
they are retards

>>17757783 (OP)
because communism is bad
>>17757947
no I have a right to enslave doctors

>>17759299
you only have a right to an attorney if you face jail time and legitimately cannot pay

>>17757783 (OP)
Alright, listen up, folks, 'cause some folks just ain't gettin' it. All this talk 'bout "basic rights" and the gub'mint givin' out free stuff like candy on Halloween... well, that's just plain poppycock, if you ask me.

Taxes? Shoot, taxes ain't nothin' but Uncle Sam reachin' into my pocket, into my wallet, and snatchin' away my hard-earned twenty-dollar bill. That ain't "contributing to society," that's theft, pure and simple! I worked my fingers to the bone, or maybe I just invested smart like that fella on the TV says, and suddenly the gub'mint thinks they got a right to my dime? Nah, nah, that ain't the American way.

And don't even get me started on "healthcare from the state." Basic right? Hogwash! What ever happened to good ol' fashioned personal responsibility? If you ain't got the sense to work hard, save your money, and buy yourself a good health plan – heck, maybe a real fancy one from a top-notch private insurer, oh those wonderful people – well, then that's on you, buddy. It ain't my job, or the gub'mint's job, to wipe your nose or fix your broken leg. This ain't no socialist utopia, this is America! Land of the free, home of the brave, where if you ain't got it, you earn it!

>>17769133
if they were forced to testify they could take the fifth about their own stuff
>>17769090
based cop, shame you aren't in jail

>>17774274
good goy

>>17774330
I'll think of you when I get my half million for excessive force lol

>>17759299
it came out of English common law

>>17775046
shame they didn't break your neck

>>17757790
>>17757794
You guys are making communism sound pretty sweet.

>>17775472
That's because you read the word slavery and your nipples got hard. We know.

>>17757998
Because it goes to black women who can't keep their legs closed

>>17757790
Somebody should let all the other countries of the world know they are living under slavery and should immediately privatize their public healthcare.

>>17775209
Shame the best part of you ran down the crack of your mom's ass and wound up as a brown stain on the mat

>>17775516
Ask anyone in the UK how they feel about the NHS and their quality of service. Calling any product or service a human right merely entitles the government to a hostile takeover of the industry. 93% of medical advances happen in the US, where medical care has barely a smidge more freedom than other countries.

>>17775519
Yeah, but, literally every other country, the entire world is enslaved. They need to put their healthcare into private equity immediately.

>>17775522
Agreed, they are enslaved, they even vote for it themselves.

>>17775533
And their liberation comes at the hands of the wealthy.

>>17770608
Not the Japanese, people who own gold, black people in segregated battalions though, fuck those guys

>>17775536
Their liberation comes at the release of altruism as the world's moral system. Humans must learn that being a sacrificial animal is not heroic, but victimization. We will learn the initiation of force is wrong no matter how many votes it acquires.

>>17775548
Well somebody has to buy all those healthcare systems.

>>17775550
Without government enforcing patents and copyright the price for healthcare plummets as healthcare providers now have to create the most (cost)effective medical care instead of having 1 good idea and coasting off royalties.

>>17775553
Who said anything about costs? The people of the world are literally slaves, they need to sell their healthcare to private interests immediately, and the only people who can afford it are the wealthiest in the world, aka the liberators.

>>17775564
>Who said anything about costs?
Haven't you read my posts? I did multiple times, explaining why privatizing the medical industry would save patients and taxpayers a lot of money.

>>17775571
Actually you didn't say that, but it's irrelevant anyway, we are talking about slavery on a massive scale across the entire globe, costs make no difference, all that matters is that private equity immediately take over all the healthcare systems on the planet.

>>17775575
Correct, and abolish forceful taxation while we're at it. I will gladly pay if offered the choice, but directly forcing 30% of my salary to public pocket makes me by definition 30% a slave.

>>17775577
Yeah exactly, the only way for the people of the world to escape this near universal slavery is to sell their healthcare to the wealthy, only then will they be free

>>17775580
Well if saving lives via crucial medical care isn't moral enough to make people wealthy then I don't know what it. Seems like you want everyone to be poor and miserable. Not to mention if anyone can make penicillin safely for instance, they should be rewarded for such a moral act of course.

>>17775582
Well yes exactly, except you would already need to be wealthy in order to purchase an entire country's healthcare system, let alone the entire world's. And it isn't necessary to equate making profit off of a healthcare company to saving lives, since the mere fact of ending such slavery would be enough moral justification. It's like I said earlier, the wealthy will liberate us, by buying us.

>>17775584
You don't have to be wealthy at all. You can create medicine at home if the government didn't demand you pay tribute to the inventor/patent holder. It is the only way to economically liberate the lower class.

>>17775585
Well how are you gonna buy an entire country's healthcare system or indeed the world's if you aren't wealthy already?

>universal healthcare is a standard in every developed country
>Americans: is this a communist plot to destroy American civilization?

>>17775590
You don't have to "buy the healthcare system" in order to privatize it. You can just start your own company, if you stick a bandaid on someone's booboo for 3 pounds you have effectively outcompeted the NHS already by providing faster and cheaper effective care. By afterwards not telling them to kill themselves you have outcompeted Canadian healthcare as well!

>>17775596
Well in the act of selling a public healthcare system to a private interest, it would be necessary to sell it. I suppose a country could just give their healthcare system away to someone. Actually, you're right, in order to end slavery and expedite the process, all countries should simply give away their healthcare systems to any private interest.

>>17775601
Not at all, by outcompeting the national health service, it will wither away in it's inefficiency.

>>17775604
Why are you so unconcerned about ending slavery as soon as possible? People are enslaved, and the only way to free them is to sell or give their healthcare systems away to private interest as soon as possible? Why on earth should people be expected to continue under slavery?

>>17775606
I absolutely stand against slavery, whether it be by whip or by vote. Unfortunately, most people will kill and die before giving up their "right" to vote themselves into the wallets of others. What is a person if not for their own private interest? Cattle.

>>17775607
So if the vote and the whip are both enforcing slavery, so in order to end slavery it would be necessary to end the vote, that would then provide freedom from slavery.

>>17758015
>Meanwhile doctors have to attend 8 years of schools and rack up $100,000s of debt for an extremely specialized, and there high payed skillset.
lolololol another amerimutt who thinks things have to be the way they are

>>17758039
>The military in a nation like the US can get by on volunteers because its a popular career path that people join out of choice in large enough numbers to make conscription unnecessary most of the time.
>If it wasn't, the military would require conscription, as is common in many countries around the world.
Look up the Hollow Forces Era post Vietnam when they tried just that. Quickly discovered that they needed to pay a shit ton of money to get anyone who wasnt a complete junkie loser to stay in.

>>17758072
>Sexually, nobody, and I mean nobody, would pay the cost and spend the time required to be a doctor for the pay the military receives lol. Absolute delusion.
Many countries do this, they just dont extort them with fees like in the US. Still very prestigious, sought after positions in society. France pays doctors fuck all. Cuba does and they train many doctors from other countries too.

>>17757783 (OP)

disregarding lolbert seething over jews/property rights/communists/tyrone/etc.
>>17757783 (OP)
>>17758100 is somewhat correct outside of the idea the original bill was uniquely precise (in many ways it was uniquely vague) in the sense that it's too unspecific to be actionable under english common law
>but soviet union/portugal/russia/etc.
different systems and faced this same problem anyway, it's not undoable and has contributed to historical good but you'd struggle to see it implemented in a society/framework such as the us

but that's all liberal nonsense anyway because rights mean nothing if the people in power don't want you to have them so

>>17775472
shalom.
literally every communist country had an oppressive government and mass starvation because communism doesn't work
>>17775516
why would I give a shit what developing countries with no rights are doing?

>>17775517
but enough of what your dad says when he tucks you in at night. it's a shame the cops didn't kill you
>>17770608
FDR fucking hated Americans. he put Americans into concentration camps and after promising to not send American boys into foreign wars he impressed more American boys into conscription to die overseas than any other president

>>17775591
the US is the only developed nation
>>17775713
you live in a country that aided in the holocaust, faggot

>>17757998
>>17758015
>>17758039
>>17775717
the US founding fathers were really fucking against conscription. Like to the point where none of the states complied with the conscription order of the continental congress during the revolution and during 1812 congress flat out denied madison's request for conscription, while the US was actively being invaded, on moral grounds.
The civil war was the first US conflict with conscription and even then only 2% of union soldiers were conscripts. it was only WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam (all conspicuously foreign wars) where the majority of US troops were conscripts

>>17776438
>and during 1812 congress flat out denied madison's request for conscription, while the US was actively being invaded, on moral grounds.
That's because the war of 1812 was an (attempted [poorly]) opportunistic land grab based on an extremely flimsy casus belli that half the political establishment that wanted normalized Anglo-American relations wanted nothing to do with

>>17776755
there were active invasions going on at the time.
also the bongs started it by kidnapping Americans and conscripting them into a slave navy
Luckily Andrew Jackeson culled 2,000 homosexuals at now orleans

>>17776755
>half the political establishment that wanted normalized Anglo-American relations wanted nothing to do with
To the point where they were openly flirting with secession, those traitors...

>>17776764
>>there were active invasions going on at the time.
Because the democratic republicans fucked around and found out

>>17776773
found out that bongs are homosexual bitches who got btfo'd by the state of kentucky

>>17776801
>America:
>Failed to achieve main war aim of annexing Canada
>got invaded and had its capitol burned down
>B-but we won a meaningless naval battle after the war was already over and they stopped doing a thing they weren't doing we only made up to justify war in the first place! We win bitch! USA! USA! USA!
Cope. America's first pathetic military failure.

>>17776811
the battle of new orleans was an amphibious invasion, not a naval battle and it resulted in all yuros fucking off out of our hemisphere. yuros lost