>Europeans with negroid admixture
Spanish, Portuguese, Sicilians
>Europeans with mongoloid admixture
Finns, Russians, Hungarians, some Balkaners

Neither of these should be considered white.

>>17757909 (OP)
Do you really compare Finns and north Russians who have 10-20% mongoloid dna and mongoloid haplogroups with 0.1% negroid iberians and sicilians?

>>17757933
Even north russians and finns have 8% north-asian DNA
Iberians on other hand have up to 10% north african admixture.

>>17757909 (OP)
Balts have the most "white" ancestry

Anyways this is retarded. Anyone in European is automatically whiter than anyone not in Europe (apart from like Malta but that is barely even in Europe). Even Saami and Volga Tatars are white.

>>17757909 (OP)
Spaniards are one of the least Negroid admixed people in Europe. Take your meds OP.

>>17758044
That's a Y-DNA haplogroup from East Africa. It's okay if you don't understand genetics. Just sit down while others are talking.

>>17758070
Correct. Italians and Greeks are descended from niggers indicating nigger admixture.

>>17758105
>IBERIA IS WHITE
>looks like a literal chimp

>>17758163
It's crazy to think about but that tiny sliver of groid is cucking Spajeet from being white and causing negroid atavism. Negro genes are extremely powerful and dominant.

>>17758163
Sorry, I don't speak nigger babble.

>>17758184
doesn't look part black unlike pic related. I 'm sorry you're hurt spainjeet

>>17758044
>muh haplos
Maybe african admixture was passed by females idk, anyway autosomal analysis is more important than haplo frequency.

>>17758172
Older genes = stronger genes
Now I understand why american came up with the one drop rule.

The basques: spaniards without african admixture.

>>17758242
>massive lips
>curly hair
>brown skin
>wide spaced eyes
Imagine being so black that even favela creatures look white to you. Sad!

>>17758242
Russian here. This man looks white.

>>17758044
>Spaniards are one of the least Negroid admixed people in Europe.
it's not enough for spajeets to deny their nigger admixture, they just HAVE to go the extra mile and drag all other europeans below them
this is why you niggers get clowned on constantly
>More recent African admixture – primarily Berber admixture from North Africa – is associated with historic migrations through the Mediterranean Sea and the Muslim conquests of the Early Middle Ages. This admixture can be found primarily in the Iberian Peninsula (modern day Spain and Portugal), with higher levels in the West and the South[1][2][3] and Southern Italy, with higher levels in Sardinia and Sicily.[4]

>>17758387
>curly hair means non-white
Then stop wewuzing as Greeks and Romans, retards.

>>17758014
north africans are 80% europoid

>>17758581
>Aurelius
His father was a spaniard btw.

>>17758014
north africans are not 80% "europoid"

>>17758242
>>17758172
>>17757909 (OP)
>>17758524
this poster is an american, not italian

>>17758184
this poster is french, not iberian

Literally 1% moroccan lol

>>17758635
Bad model. Spajeets are 15% Morocco_LN. Morocco_LN has some SSA in it, hence why you can model them with SSA as well.

Im a ricchione lol

>>17758645
bad model

why do you hate iberians and wasted most of your life here spamming anti iberian threads?
you are american, i assume you're latino

>>17758645
iberians are on average 5% north african only
you have to accept the success of the reconquista

>>17758645
BasqueCHADS, I kneel.

>>17758662
all iberians are chads with only 5% north african ancestry >>17758658 based people

>>17758664
Man, I get it, reqonquista was epic (even though too long), but nigga genes are very strong.

>>17758681
basque look like any other iberian on average
can you tell us why you started to spam these anti iberian stuff here?

also you are american, i assume of latino heritage

>shit on East Euros for having mong admixture, they say nothing
>dozens of Latinx/Jeetberians come to vehemently deny their negro admixture noted by countless geneticists
Really makes you think.

>>17758717
>they say nothing
Actually I said that even north russians (most mongoloid slavs excluding from literal hapas from volga-ural) only have 8% asian admixture.

>>17758717
this study shows iberians averaging at only 6% north african ancestry

>>17758717
i just asked a question, this forums was built for discussions. you are american right? of latino heritage i assume, why do you hate iberians

>>17758733
ibs is the iberian average right? amazing how small the north african ancestry is

>>17758658
Nigger your pic says they're 11% nafri on average not to mention the additional arab/jewish and nigger admixture, mindbroken spic nigger

>>17758733
>10% near eastern on average
>11% north african on average
>3 nigger on average
iberberians are straight up brown negroids

>>17758733
how much imperial roman ancestry, pedro?

>>17758658
>>17758733
>There is an axis of significant genetic differentiation along the east–west direction, in contrast to remarkable genetic similarity in the north–south direction. North African admixture, associated with the Islamic conquest, can be dated to the period between c. AD 860–1120

>To distinguish between possible scenarios that could produce these patterns, we applied the GLOBETROTTER method to each of our six clusters (Methods). GLOBETROTTER infers dates of admixture and the make-up of the source populations, and tests whether admixture patterns are consistent with a simple mixing of two groups at a single time in the past, compared to more complex alternative models. GLOBETROTTER found strong evidence (p<0.01) of admixture for all six clusters.

>For all six clusters, an extremely similar event was inferred, in a tight time-range of 860–1120 CE, and with similar source groups, present in varying proportions (4–10% for the minor group). The major source was inferred to contain almost exclusively European donor groups, and the minor source is made up of mainly north-west African donor groups, including Western Sahara, and to a lesser extent west Africans (YRI), consistent with the overall ancestry profiles.

>The ‘Portugal-Andalucia’ cluster shows the greatest YRI contribution, and also shows some evidence of a second admixture date, with a more recent event involving only sub-Saharan-African-like and European-like source groups. This indicates a recent pulse of sub-Saharan African DNA, independent of the north African component.
Keep in mind this is using the modern mutted NAFRI as reference. That's why they pick up even more if you use Morocco_LN, who was more European shifted than modern nafris and likely the ones that invaded Iberia at the time.

>>17758795
Wrong pic.

>>17758774
>Nigger your pic says they're 11% nafri
no, IBS is the iberian average, and it's 6%, only portugese are 11%, they're at at the end of the average


>>17758782
>>17758774
>imperial roman and middle eastern ancestry bad
finally you drop the larp and admit you're not italian or greek, took you a while

anyway, only 6% nafri for the average iberian

>>17758795
>present in varying proportions (4–10% for the minor group)
what's the average of 4% and 10%? 7%

>Keep in mind this is using the modern mutted NAFRI as reference. That's why they pick up even more if you use Morocco_LN, who was more European shifted than modern nafris and likely the ones that invaded Iberia at the time.
incorrect, morocco_ln represent an extinct neolithic population, ancient berbers were more african than the modern ones, if we use the ancient berbers, the nafri ancestry would be lower

>>17758795
>>17758717
>>17758172
>>17757909 (OP)
>>17758163
>>17758242
the truth about this poster

>>17758827
it's him, he slipped here >>17758786 , revealing his true identity

>>17758827
and the "iberian" poster that shits on italians is french

>>17758821
This wasn't the population that invaded Iberia at the time. There's not a single one like that in Islamic Iberia.

>>17758827
no he's an italian american from italicroots. this meme originally come from there.

>>17758861
>There's not a single one like that in Islamic Iberia.
the morocco_ln is extinct and no population resembles that, in iberia we have admixed people so it doesn't matter, that was the iron age berber profile

american man, why so butthurt

>Our distal modeling of modern Sicilians requires not only the two eastern ancestry sources that we have shown were present by the Bronze Age—10.0 ± 2.6% Yamnaya_Samara and 19.9 ± 1.4% Iran_Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic— but also a predominant component of North African ancestry (46.9 ± 5.6% Morocco_LN) (Fig. 4, Supplementary Table 14). These results are consistent with most of the North African-related ancestry having come into Sicily in the Iron Age and afterward, a scenario that is further supported by our observation that modern Sicilians form a clade with Ibiza_Phoenician (p=0.060) and the three most recent Sardinian individuals in our time series (Supplementary Materials). Although these results are consistent in principle with a nearly complete ancestry turnover on the island since the Bronze Age.

Italians are litteral mulattoes, you can't make this shit up.

>>17758865
no he's not, french troll, he's american and he hates italians too as can be seen in his previous posts and this thread too, he has no love for italians, imperial romans or people admixed with middle easterners

>>17758875
It's even sadder when you consider Italians used to be Nordic prior to being bred by BBC.

>>17758865
he's anglo american or latino, let's end this larp here

>>17758885
american man >>17758827 why are you obsessed with the black males?

>>17758878
proof?

>>17758875
Moortalian sisters... our answer?

>>17758918
see here >>17758827 his older posts
he's not italian, and your insistence makes me suspicious.

you must be the french

>>17758885
literally zero people in this pic look nordic

>>17758918
mhm... he literally started posting about italians being nordic in the past before "bbc", I think even he realized it's not worth it anymore.

>>17757909 (OP)
There's no bad blood between Italians, Greeks and Iberians, the "rivalry" was manufactured by nordshits

>>17758942
he's american, please understand

>>17757909 (OP)
>Neither of these should be considered white.
They look white to me.
Post your hand anon.

>>17758875
tfw Varg was right all along

>>17758966
i think it's time to stop replying to your post anon

>>17757909 (OP)
spaniards are peak whiteness because they invented the term white

>>17758875
Made by BBC

>>17758981
that's a retarded meme for historylets, whiteness is an anglo american invention

>>17758827
Why are americans like this? do they think it's cool to mention the penises of africans? they just sound gay and effeminate

>>17758885
This version is much better, although is not perfect too.

>>17758953
kek at you medjeets getting uppity and larping as white
you dont even have blue eyes like us

>>17758875
I mentioned Sicilians in the OP too if you didn't notice, Moorberian. They also pick up some SSA. And Iberians pick up a ton of Morocco_LN too: >>17758645

>>17758827
That pic has been going around for at least 5 years

>>17759004
I don't think so

>>17759005
>they just sound gay and effeminate
american males ARE gay and feminine

>>17758801
>>imperial roman and middle eastern ancestry bad
nope, the admixture pulse has been dated to Al-Andalus
>>17758795
>>17758800
you're a moor rapebaby Paco

>>17759011
>>17759013
last time i checked it was you americans larping as italians and spanish and whatnot because you're too pussy to face the consequences of your attacks, thankfully the larp has been killed

>>17759016
nice argument faggot, but whiteness is entirely an anglo thing, the fact that spajeets are white worshipping cucked mutts that have appropriated the term is irrelevant, anglos invented whiteness

>>17759022
>>17759013
>you're a moor rapebaby Paco
you're american

>>17759029
Black men have small dicks, you should say sbc and not bbc, American man

>>17759029
not a thing an italian would say, this thread was really good, we exposed you, you are AMERICAN

>>17759044
>>17759046
what the actual fuck do nigger dicks have to do with the invention of whiteness as a racial classification, you mindbroken spajeet?

>>17759060
you tell me "spajeet" poster >>17758827 you are obsessed with them lol, you are trans

In this thread we concluded:
1 - Iberians are only 6% nafri on average when using modern nafris with more European and middle eastern drift
2 - Italian bros are not to blame for anti Iberian threads, the culprit is america

Iberians won

aryan man here
all strains of medbugs are shitskins and should be expelled from europe alongside other jungle and sand creatures

>>17759080
is he white american or latino?

>>17759083
Could be both honestly

>>17759080
>Italian bros are not to blame for anti Iberian threads, the culprit is america
There's many Italians who regularly shit on spaniards on xitter nonetheless, shitalians hatred is justified and will continue

>>17759089
French insect

>>17759089
no, and you are french

Are Italians even White?

Distance to: Spanish_Andalucia
0.09856943 Swedish
0.14189899 Syrian

Distance to: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.09599117 Swedish
0.14724565 Syrian

Distance to: Italian_Lazio
0.10019955 Syrian
0.13196208 Swedish

Distance to: Italian_Apulia
0.08680693 Syrian
0.14306775 Swedish

>>17759070
I'm not your e-boyfriend, fag

>>17759107
french poster

>>17759093
Ok and? I still have a spanish great grandfather and being French is fucking gay.

>>17759132
you are 100% french, you are trolling

>>17759114
no onions tu novio gabacho

>>17759013
Yes, most of them are, Sicilians and some Calabrians excepted. Modern Syrians would be white too if they didn't have negroid admixture like Spaniards. A lot of them can pass as white despite that.

>>17759150
american larper, your larp has become so contradictory, you are also obviously selfreplying

>>17759150
Are you white American or Latino?

>>17758242
Latvian here. My brother looks a lot like him.

>>17759150
right looks whiter than most iberians

>pali-italian mutt in canada starts posting ITT
>/his/ is suddenly flooded with BBC threads

>>17759211
an antitalian french and an antiberian american. the american is really obsessed with with black men >>17758827

the french is trolling, he's having fun
the american really hates iberians tho

>>17759150
the jeetberian will seethe at this pic and call left a gipsy lol

Its kind of funny. As a portuguese person, no portuguese or spaniard thinks about this, or about how white they are, or haplogroups or negro admixture
its only a handful of giga autists that spend so much time thinking and debating about our genetic make up
we're not even relevant in the world anymore, just 2 small nations

>>17758524
Shut the fuck up nigger.

>>17759391
everyone in that pic has nigger admixture and is a nigger by definition btw
>Lazarids et al. (2014) detected 12.6 ± 2% North African ancestry and an average of 1.5 ± 0.2% sub-Saharan ancestry in the Spanish population.

>>17759562
All Europeans have SSA you dunce, fact is, Spaniards are whiter than Italians and Greeks despite 800 years of being occupied by Muslims. East medjeets are about 50% syrian.

>>17759631
Holy cope. All that nafri/SSA makes you brown, Pedro. Having caucasoid East Med admix is not the same as having turbo-brown nafrigroid. One drop rule is a thing for a reason. Negro genes are very dominant and atavistic.

>>17759631
All spanish except basques have eastmesjeet admixture. You are subhuman too

>>17759562
>>17759651
>Lazarids et al. (2014) detected 12.6 ± 2% North African ancestry and an average of 1.5 ± 0.2% sub-Saharan ancestry in the Spanish population.
this is a fake quote from wikipedia

>Having caucasoid East Med admix is not the same as having turbo-brown nafrigroid.
we have established you are not italian, quit trying to pass as an italian with these "muh east med" statements
you are american

>>17759631
>All Europeans have SSA you dunce
see >>17758524
and fuck off spic, stop dragging all europeans down to your level, not all of europe was raped by africans for 800 years, nigger

>>17759733
>and fuck off spic, stop dragging all europeans down to your level, not all of europe was raped by africans for 800 years, nigger
iberians have on average only 6% nw african ancestry according to studies, you talk exactly like the amerimutt>>17758827

>>17759723
>seeenioooor das a fake quote o algo
straight up Indian response

>>17759733
>6%
nope, it's 12% nafri on average >>17759562
+ 12% middle eastern + 2-3% nigger
you're a 1/4th nonwhite rapebaby mongrel similar to african americans

>>17759745
It's a actually the truth, American man, why are you obsessed with iberian?

>>17759752
nope, its 6% nafri on average >>17758733 see the IBS average iberian
>you're a 1/4th nonwhite rapebaby mongrel similar to african americans
i'm not iberian

you are not italian btw, and never will be no matter how much you larp

>>17759752
no, real studies estimate nafri ancestry in iberians at 6% or less

>>17759763
The reconquista was very successful

>>17759763
this is more accurate because it's using the mozabites that are more similar to the true north west african berbers of the ancient times, when modeling spaniards with real south berbers we see the true percentages, iberians are probably only 3-4% berber on average

Non-whites hating in this thread. Damn it feels good to be Castillian. Thank God I'm not 50% syrian.

>>17758878
>he's american and he hates italians too
is he the chikaner?

>>17759778
he's an obsessed american>>17758827
he's been at it for years, but lately he assumed a fake italian identity

>>17759757
>IBS
extremely outdated reference population, every single study posted ITT is more recent and accurate
>you are not italian btw, and never will be no matter how much you larp
I'm not whoever the fuck you think I am, get a job siestanigger
>>17759763
The objetive of this study was to recreate the genetic landscape of the iberian peninsula during the iron age, to do this they collected unmixed samples of each region (hence why each region has like 2-3 samples at best because unmixed iberians are extreme outliers) and therefore, it's not representative of modern iberians unlike these other studies
>>17757909 (OP)
>>17758658
>>17758717
you'd know that if you weren't an illiterate 60 IQ subhuman mongrel

>>17759764
literally all iberians except basques have significant no white admixture

>>17759784
>extremely outdated reference population
not correct
and the study you posted is from 2014 and uses the same ibs

iberian are on average 6% nafri >>17758733 according to this good recent study using a good up to date reference population, the ibs, correctly representing the average iberians

>>17759786
without reconquista they'd be even more mutted, perhaps to the level of cypriots or jewss

>>17759784
>The objetive of this study was to recreate the genetic landscape of the iberian peninsula during the iron age, to do this they collected unmixed samples of each region (hence why each region has like 2-3 samples at best because unmixed iberians are extreme outliers) and therefore, it's not representative of modern iberians unlike these other studies
you made that up, they didn't collect "unadmixed samples", just random samples, and they're not 2-3 per average
>these other studies
in those other studies iberians average at 5% north west african ancestry

>>17759763
>>17759795
Senoooor we don't have Bantu admixture

>>17759787
The study shown in this pic >>17758717 is from 2020 and I didn't post it you obsessed spic. All the other regions that were sampled from that study show a higher % than the IBS sample because iberians are actually around 25% nonwhite in total, as recent studies have shown
It's ok to be a nigger Juan

>>17759796
1% total african including the african from nafris is perfectly fine

>>17759789
they're literally 25% nonwhite rapebabies, they're the equivalent of african americans in Europe

>>17759800
>The study shown in this pic >>17758717 is from 2020
that study is this>>17758733 study, where the average iberian, IBS has 6% nafri ancestry

>. All the other regions that were sampled from that study show a higher % than the IBS sample
because they're western regions, on average iberians have less, the perfectly representative extremely good IBS average shows that iberians on average are 6% nafris according to this same study

>as recent studies have shown, It's ok to be a nigger Juan
"recent studies" such as this study we're talking about, where iberians on average have 6% nafri ancestry, this >>17759763 where iberians have even less
yes

>>17759803
finally someone says it, italians and spaniards are mutts, they have up to 50% non white admixture when you include southern italy

>>17759809
These studies all say different things. You can model Iberians with upwards of 20% Moroccan. Basques are the only ones where you can be sure that don't have such admixture in a significant degree.

>>17759832
Yeah but Basques are gentically isolated in general.

>>17759789
Or italians! *gasp*

>>17759795
>you made that up
You just admitted that you either don't read the studies you post or don't understand them because you're too stupid, I'm going for both options

https://imgur.com/a/DkVrm66
That's a pic of a table from the supplementary materials of this study >>17759763 and shows the number of samples used, they used more basque samples (above in the pic) than non-basque ones (below in pic) because non-basque Iberians are pretty much all mongrels, also they used like 2-3 samples on average per non-basque region like I mentioned
td;dr: Iberians are negroid mongrels

>>17759800
>>17759803
>25% non white
Salam Alakum my syrian friend, so you’re really insulting our intelligence trying to tell us that Iberians are 25% non-white while they cluster on PCA right next to southern French, this is why nobody likes east medjeet scheming rats. It’s in the nature of your kind to lie. Iberians are noble Faustian aryans unlike you.

>>17759842
>You just admitted that you either don't read the studies you post or don't understand them because you're too stupid, I'm going for both options
i didn't admit any of that, they simply did not cherrypick "pure iberians"

>That's a pic of a table from the supplementary materials of this study
you're pretty dumb, these aren't averages, these are the clusters that formed in the dendogram

see how they're called gSpanish4 and not "iberia galicia" or some shit?

conclusion: iberians only have 5% north african ancestry on average or less, the study didn't cherrypick anything and you don't know what a dendogram is

>>17759832
>You can model Iberians with upwards of 20% Moroccan
you can model iberians badly as 20% "moroccan" for example by using a meme population like "morocco_ln" that doesn't represent any ancient group

try using the actual iron age berbers
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/0q39lrsynq7prjc7mm8gq/G25-Ancients.txt?rlkey=33i5tycf3nd6glv1w7z6dleco&e=1&st=tz5ppp6c&dl=0
search the keyword algeria here

Iberians are white. Iberians won. East medjeets and other assorted non-whites who cluster with syrians and semites eternally seething.

/thread

No need to go back and forth with the faggot any longer.

>>17759856
>meme population
Used to model Sicilians here: >>17758875 Here's me trying to replicate the result.

>>17759874
and that study was from before we had actual berber samples from the iron age, now we know that the "morocco_ln" population doesn't represent anything past the neolithic, you're simply wasting your time by using it

use the iron age berber

>>17759884
Might as well use direct SSA like in: >>17759796
then, because that's pretty much what NAFRI admixture is. This even mirrors the SSA map perfectly: >>17758795

>>17759832
You know that Iberians being 25% nafris would just mean nafris got cucked since don't carry their YDNA?

>>17759923
but iberians are only 5% nafri

basedberians won in this thread

>>17759937
All have above 1% negroid genetics like Sicilians which is enough to make you brown.

>>17759975
brown doesn't mean anything, modern iberians look no different from the ancient ones
sicilians don't look any different from other south italians, it would be absurd to call sicilians brown and calabrians white

their nafri ancestry is minimal in both cases

>>17759860
>>17759956
you know someone is an insecure negroid mongrel when they have to claim they "won" a thread multiple times in a mongolian basket weaving forum

>>17759923
the percentage of non-European y dna haplogroups in the iberian peninsula today is similar to their non-European autosomal admixture, which is around 1/4th of their genome, not to mention that iberians have negroid admixture

>>17759998
No it isn't retard. EM81 hardly even reach 5% so nafris got cucked.

>>17759985
Sicilians would be brown as fuck if they didn't get bleached by Normans. Jeetberians didn't have that luxury.

>>17760005
you have autosomal nafri admixture that didn't get there magically Paco, nafris raped your ancestors and then French and northern iberians bred with those mongrels, doesn't change the fact that you're a moor rapebaby, one drop of shit in a puddle of water makes it a puddle of shit water
+ the total percentage of non-European y-dna haplogroups does match the percentage of nonwhite autosomal admixture, you're a coping nigger rapebaby

>>17760014
>didn't get there magically
Yes, nafri pussy got creamed
>nafris raped your ancestors and then French and northern iberians bred with those mongrels
French never did in significant numbers otherwise we would have a lot more of their haplos
>the total percentage of non-European y-dna haplogroups does match the percentage of nonwhite autosomal admixture, you're a coping nigger rapebaby
No there's less than 5% nafri dna but more than 5% berbers
Nafris got cucked
Look mexicans who are 70%+ west eurasian by YDNA but hardly 50% by ADNA. This is what cucking look like

>>17760037
>there's less than 5% nafri dna
I meany YDNA

>>17760014
5% e-m81, iberians are objectively not "moor rapebabies"
>>17760007
only 1 allele + brown doesn't mean anything, sicilians and calabrians look the same, ancient iberians and modern ones look the same

>>17757909 (OP)
Why do all the semi-mongoloid euros have dramatically superior IQ and innovation compared to the negroid euros? The negroid euros are even known for their "rythem" and "vibe"....

>>17760037
>Yes, nafri pussy got creamed
Moor rapebaby pussy* pure iberians were all raped out existence which is why rhey don't exist anymore, the rape was already done and will always live on in your niggerized bloodline + iberia is the region of europe with the most nonwhite y dna haplogroups

>>17760037
>No there's less than 5% nafri dna but more than 5% berbers
nope, iberians are 25% nonwhite rapebabies with nigger admixture, you're literally a nigger under the one drop rule
>Look mexicans who are 70%+ west eurasian by YDNA but hardly 50% by ADNA. This is what cucking look like
mexicans are not evenly mixed like iberians, you can find millions of unmixed indigenous mexicans in southern mexico meanwhile all iberians are nonwhite rapebabies except 2% basques at best

>>17760062
A better question is why does literally any other european just laughs at being called nonwhite EXCEPT iberians? It's obvious that other europeans don't have anything to prove when it comes to whiteness, but whenever you rightfully call out iberians for having african nigger genes and swarthy brown appearance they chimp out like niggers every single time, just goes to show they're in fact, not white and just subhuman nigger rapebabies

>>17757909 (OP)

>>17760159

>>17759915
Meds actually have much better continuity from pre-Yamnaya bronze age than other Europeans. Where did they get additional Iran_N/CHG? Phoenicians or ancient Greeks?

>>17760074
>>17760079
>>17760083
insane troon

>>17760168
fun fact: iberians were turned into eunuchs (proto trannies) during Al Andalus while their women were bred by Moors in harems

>>17758733
They never check in the same studies the ""northern african"" in other European countries using the same methodology.

And "northern African" is misleading since NorthAfrica received like 30% European genetics since ancient times (WHG, Neolithic, etc). In fact, berebers are full of European haplogroups. That is the ""northafrican"" in Iberians they are talking about.

Also I would like to know how these tests will be made in the future since France, Belgium, Netherlands, UK, etc have tens of millions of africans (nafris and blacks) living in all their main cities and mixing without any control.

There are more nafris in any of the 20 main french cities alone that there were ever in all of Iberia in all the time AlAndalus existed. And it is worst since Iberians hated them and did not mix with muslims in the 700 years war against them.

>>17760162
>>17760159

>>17760074
iberians only have 5% nafri y dna haplogroup so no, iberians are not moorish rapebabies

>>17760079
>iberians are 25% nonwhite
nope, only 6% nafri or less on average, east med is caucasoid so it doesn't count as non white >>17758733

>>17760079
>iberians are 25% nonwhite
nope, only 6% nafri or less on average, i thought you said "east med/middle eastern is caucasoid" >>17758733 your larp is becoming too contradictory, american

basedberians only have 4% e-m81 and 1% j1 according to this representative good study

>>17760521
iberians only have a little bit of nafri female ancestry it seems

>>17760159
>>17760162
>>17760349
>randomly posts yamnaya pics
don't know if based or retarded

>>17760165
this is true, meds are eefs with a lot of neolithic continuity

>>17758163
>>17758184
these are both gypsies

>>17760681

>>17760687

>>17760682
no they're both native just darker

>>17760682
they aren't. Stop with these shitty excuses.

>>17760691

>>17757909 (OP)
Basal Groidism is the real enemy.

>>17760793
What is this shit. I can’t keep up.

Separate genetics and anthropology board when? none of the garbage ITT is history.

>>17758105
East Africans aren't Nigers my mentally challenged friend. There's nothing wrong with being a Niger either.

>>17760953
>"East Africans aren't Nigers my mentally challenged friend. There's nothing wrong with being a Niger either."

>>17760235
>And it is worst since Iberians hated them and did not mix with muslims in the 700 years war against them.
see >>17758795
and kill yourself delusional spic

>>17760475
Iberians have around 25% nonwhite haplogroups so yeah, they're moor rapebabies
>>17760515
Nope, it's 25% nonwhite autosomal admixture on average a part of which is literal nigger admixture, you're a nigger Juan

>>17760982
"non whites"="moors"

moors are specifically e-m81 and j1 and iberians have 5% in total >>17760521, so they're not moorish rapebabies

>>17760982
>Nope, it's 25% nonwhite autosomal admixture on average a part of which is literal nigger admixture, you're a nigger Juan
you said "east med/middle eastern is caucasoid", your larp is dead, we know it's you larping as italian, don't deny it, this is why you never address it

iberians only have 6% nafri ancestry or less on average, iberians fucking won

>>17757909 (OP)
>Neither of these should be considered white.
Yes, but the real question is why are all of them so adamant they belong to the same race? White worship is a mental illness, just accept being Asian and African mongrels. what's the problem?

>>17760960
Niger is a person from Nigeria, which is in West Africa. Unfortunately the word has a negative connotation because of American demons.

>>17760736
>>17760751
30% of the population of iberia is non iberian
it's time to stop assuming all people with spanish or portugese citizenships are natives, even when they have a spanish name and didn't report their foreign descent, very often they're not iberians

>>17759107
No, they are obviously mixed race.

Lumping Iberians together with these nigger blooded latifundia dwelling farm equipments under the artificial label of 'Southern European' is by far the greatest injustice ever inflicted upon us.

>>17760988
>"non whites"="moors"
nonwhites includes arabs, jews and niggers, all of which iberians also descend from
>so they're not moorish rapebabies
They're not exclusively moorish rapebabies* and iberia has the highest concentration of E haplogroups in europe (more than 5%)
>>17760991
>you said "east med/middle eastern is caucasoid
I didn't, there's multiple posters ITT you dumb spic
>iberians only have 6% nafri ancestry or less on average, iberians fucking won
without moors breeding visigoth women en masse modern iberberians wouldn't exist, and it's actually around 12% and that's only the nafri admixture
>They found that between 4% and 20% of the genome of Spaniards is shared with North Africans.
>for the rest of the country it ranges between 10% and 12%
You're a negroid mongrel btw

>>17761057
>nonwhites includes arabs, jews and niggers, all of which iberians also descend from
moors only includes berbers

>They're not exclusively moorish rapebabies* and iberia has the highest concentration of E haplogroups in europe (more than 5%)
they're not moorish rapebabies they only have 5% moorish haplogroups. you lost the argument >>17760521
and iberians don't have the highest concentration of E in europe, that's albanians, but that's irrelevant, since only E-m81 is moorish

>>17761057
there's only 1 anti iberian poster, you

your italian larp is dead in the water, don't try to revive it
moors didn't breed anything

>They found that between 4% and 20% of the genome of Spaniards is shared with North Africans.
>for the rest of the country it ranges between 10% and 12%
fake quotes


average iberian is 5% northwest african, see this >>17758733 up to date study that uses the perfect up to date iberian average IBS used in hundreds of studies

>>17761057
iberians only have 2% e-m81

i guess you could say that iberians would not exist without that little bit of nafri female ancestry

>>17760521
>>17761118
What this study actually says:
>To address this issue, we analyzed Y chromosome haplotypes, which provide the necessary phylogeographic resolution, in 1140 males from the Iberian Peninsula and Balearic Islands. Admixture analysis based on binary and Y-STR haplotypes indicates a high mean proportion of ancestry from North African (10.6%) and Sephardic Jewish (19.8%) sources. Despite alternative possible sources for lineages ascribed a Sephardic Jewish origin, these proportions attest to a high level of religious conversion (whether voluntary or enforced)
So Moorberians can't even be sure if their East Med is from either Kikes or Romans lol. And they're 11% nafri rapebabies. Sometimes literal negro rapebabies as well since SSA y-dna is also found there: >>17759975

>>17761126
no the subclades are greeks/romans and the SSA is just IBD which is shared ancestry rather than admixture.

>>17761126
no, see the average here >>17760521
e-m81 averages at 4%, it's right there, you cannot deny it

>Admixture analysis based on binary and Y-STR haplotypes indicates a high mean proportion of ancestry from North African (10.6%) and Sephardic Jewish (19.8%) sources. Despite alternative possible sources for lineages ascribed a Sephardic Jewish origin, these proportions attest to a high level of religious conversion (whether voluntary or enforced)
this is not about ydna, it's an admixture analysis but uses an old method where they estimate admixture based on y-dna and mtdna, a method called y estimator
obviously such outdated shit is irrelevant, now we properly estimate ancestry, and iberian are on average only 6% nafri >>17758733

>>17761135
>>17761142
Stop shitting up the thread with lies that can be easily debunked, Paco. You have negro admixture. This is the most accurate map about SSA admixture. Iberia has both SSA y-dna and SSA mtdna. They factually have negro blood. Nafris are also already negro mongrels themselves and Taforalt was a mulatto.

>>17761151
No amount of seethe will change this

>>17761151
>Stop shitting up the thread with lies that can be easily debunked, Paco.
nope, you are actually telling a lot of lies

this study >>17761142 is only useful for the haplogroups

the study is too old and tries to estimate admixture with something called "mY estimator", that estimates admixture based on mtdna and ydna, obviously faulty and outdated
actual nafri admixture has been estimated many times by this new study >>17758733 and IBS is an extremely perfect average used to this day, so that cope doesn't work, here it's only 6%
and this study >>17759763 where it's even less, and no what you showed here >>17759842 aren't the clusters used in the admixture analysis( that are called for example "spanish_extremadura", those clusters called gSpanish4 are where the samples fall on the dendogram, completely different thing
both perfect studies
there's also pic rel from 2019, where again nafri ancestry tops at 10%
in all cases modern nafris are used, ancient nafris were more similar to the southernmost berbers and would dimish the nafri ancestry if used

you don't understand that we've studied these papers, unlike you we understand what they're talking about

>>17761177
>there's also pic rel from 2019, where again nafri ancestry tops at 10%
this is what i meant
tops at 10% but average is lower

iberians completely won

>>17761118
only 2% nafri haplogroups, incredible, the moors were loser incels in post reconquista iberia, they were probably bullied for their small penises

>>17761179
12% and it uses modern nafris as reference. It's doubtful whether these were actually the people who invaded Iberia at the time. It also mentions that they have admixture from a population who was more SSA-like. This is true for Catalans in particular. They have low nafri but pick up some SSA from getting raped by the Almoravid negroes.

>>17761083
>moors only includes berbers
and that's not the only nonwhite population iberians descend from
>they're not moorish rapebabies they only have 5% moorish haplogroups.
nope, it's actually around 12% E haplogroups alone
>you lost the argument
you have nigger admixture
>>17761088
>there's only 1 anti iberian poster, you
nigger you're pathetic and obsessed, there's at least 4 anons ITT who are """"anti iberian""""" which literally only means not being a delusional retarded spic who's desperate to prove their whiteness
>>17761118
>>17761189
stop replying to yourself you neurotic mindbroken spic

>>17761241
>12% and it uses modern nafris as reference.
11% is the highest number, the average is less, i think you don't understand the concept of average

if you have a range between 0 and 11 the average is not 11 but: (0+11)/2=5.5
do you understand what i'm saying? the average is between the extremes, the extremes themselves aren't averages

> It's doubtful whether these were actually the people who invaded Iberia at the time
true, the iron age berbers were more southern shifted, the real nafri ancestry is likely less

>>17761258
>and that's not the only nonwhite population iberians descend from
but moors only includes berbers, no one else is a moor, iberians are not moorish rapebabies
>nope, it's actually around 12% E haplogroups alone
E isn't moorish in general, only e-m81 is, and it's 4% >>17761142 according to other studies even less

>>17761268
>iberians are not moorish rapebabies
iberians are a cocktail of MENA and subsaharan rapebabies, moors are just one of the populations they descend from of which they have 12% admixture on average, if you count the total nonwhite admixture you get 25% nonwhite on average

>>17761258
there's only 1 anti iberian poster, you
you were exposed, so you now pretend to be another person, this is because you want to keep larping in another future thread. you can see it here >>17758827 those posts were all made by you, and in 2025 you pretend to be italian or greek saying >greeks le bad
this is also obvious because you never address the arguments present about your larp, you larp as italian

>>17761272
this is untrue, iberians are not patrilineally descended form moors, since moorish haplogroup are 2 to 4% >>17761142 >>17761118

>which they have 12% admixture on average
incorrect, see here for example >>17761179 the average is around 5%

> if you count the total nonwhite admixture you get 25% nonwhite on average
if we count the east med as not white that would make my med cousins, the italians and greeks non white too, so i'm fine with that

what about the imperial roman admixture, paco?

>>17761280
Greek + Italic with very minor levantine, so minor that calculators don't spot it.

>>17760976
>>17761151
It is obvious that you are a brownoid from the new world and you need to brownify others to feel better about your own browness.

The great majority of Spaniards look white and have 0% foreign admixture. If by "nafri" you meant 100% caucasoid DNA from Neolithic Iberians that emigrated to North Africa that are now labeled as "northafrica" it is correct.


The funny thing about all of this is that any city in France, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, etc has way more africans (with full progaganda to mix with them) than there was in the 700 years of presence of nafris in IBeria.

So, in half a century we could see that most europeans are part nafri too??

>>17761280
i'm fine with that imperial roman ancestry from my med cousins the italians and greeks

>>17761279
>saaar it's 11.91% which means 11%, stop rounding it to 12
Imagine being Galician Celtlarper and finding out you have this massive amount of African admixture.

>>17761299
not all iberians are galicians, but you get the point, the average is around 5%
the study should have probably used the southern berbers or something if they wanted to be more accurate, real average nafri ancestry is probably around 4% or even 3%

in any case basedberians won

>>17761274
that's not me, pathetic autistic spic
>form moors, since moorish haplogroup are 2 to 4%
12%*
>the italians and greeks non white too, so i'm fine with that
lol you're clearly not fine, calling you nonwhite sends you into a neurotic meltdown, nonwhite nigger rapebaby

>>17761321
that's you, same image name and hash of the other posts that are typically yours (one drop rule paco type posts that are obviously yours)

>12%*
no, see here >>17761142 >>17761118
2 to 4%

>lol you're clearly not fine, calling you nonwhite sends you into a neurotic meltdown, nonwhite nigger rapebaby
not really, i'm fine with east med ancestry from my italian and greek med cousins

>>17761287
less than 7% of iberians have blonde hair you pathetic spic, you're clearly a white worshipping brown moor rapebaby at the end of the day, you hate being a swarthy iberberian ape and you clearly wish you were actually white
Also every single person in this pic has negroid, nafri, arab and jewish admixture btw

>>17761326
I have not posted a single pic ITT, you have 12% nafri admixture:
>They found that between 4% and 20% of the genome of Spaniards is shared with North Africans.
>for the rest of the country it ranges between 10% and 12%

>>17761339
>I have not posted a single pic ITT, you have 12% nafri admixture:
cope and larp and samefagging, that was you

>They found that between 4% and 20% of the genome of Spaniards is shared with North Africans.
>for the rest of the country it ranges between 10% and 12%
fake quotes

see here >>17761305 or the ibs iberian average here >>17758733
the average nafri ancestry in iberia is 5%

iberians absolutely won

>>17761330
jews are med cousins, the people in that pic have on average only 5% nafri ancestry or less probably

>>17761344
>that was you
not a single post with a pic ITT was made by me nigger
>fake quotes
You're a straight up retarded nigger rapebaby animal

>>17761350
>5%
the absolute whitest iberians have 6% nafri at best, but you can still clearly see the arab, kike and nigger features in these people >>17761287

>>17761361
Your blatant lies discredit the narrative you are trying to impose. If you don’t want people to reject your premise on it’s face based on your ridiculous hyperbole you should be more subtle.

>>17761361
>the absolute whitest iberians have 6% nafri at best
not really, basque have 0%, catalans and baleares spaniards have 2-3% for example, see here >>17761305 this new updated study with thousands of samples

>>17761355
>not a single post with a pic ITT was made by me nigger
incorrect, these are all your pics from previous threads >>17758827

you also made these posts here >>17758795 >>17758717
same exact writing style, you are the same person

>You're a straight up retarded nigger rapebaby animal
those are fake quotes from a magazine, the actual study shows iberians as having 0 to 20% nafri ancestry but counts canary island iberians, actual iberians have 0 to 10% like any other studies, so average 5%
i told you already, we analyzed these studies, we know what we're talking about

>>17761364
you're a faceblind retard if you can't see the nonwhite features in these people >>17761287
>second guy is a hairy turk lookalike with a monobrow
>third one has curly moroccan hair and africanized facial features
>fourth one is a straight up saudi
>fifth one looks like your average kike female
>sixth and seventh both have negroid noses and skulls

>>17761379
Don’t feed the troon. Let him seethe all day at Iberians who cares.

>>17761370
basques are barely considered spaniards
>spaniards have 2-3% for example
spaniards have 12% nafri on average

>>17761370
Catalans have direct negro admixture though (obviously from the Almoravids). You can tell this with their distances to YRI alone.

>>17761390
>Catalans have direct negro admixture though (obviously from the Almoravids)
absorbed by an iron age berber proxy, use that next time

>>17761390
use this real berber

Algeria_Khenchela_IA:I12433__BC_802__Cov_34.34%,-0.1161,0.126941,0.014708,-0.075582,0.022466,-0.040439,-0.028906,0.004846,0.111261,0.035718,0.004547,-0.004946,0.022299,-0.021332,0.026194,-0.023203,0.004955,-0.023437,-0.050279,0.018384,-0.01697,-0.047112,0.019596,-0.00482,0.009221

>>17761379
>you also made these posts here
>same exact writing style, you are the same person
not all, nigger
that's a phoneposter
>the actual study shows iberians as having 0 to 20% nafri ancestry but counts canary island iberians, actual iberians have 0 to 10% like any other studies
so you point out the fact that canary islanders were included but don't mention the fact that basques were also included (which are also outliers)? if we take basques into consideration then the 12% average makes sense for non-canarian and non-basque iberians
here's a quote from another study that confirms the 12% average:
>Lazarids et al. (2014) detected 12.6±2% North African ancestry and an average of 1.5±0.2% sub-Saharan ancestry in the Spanish population.
it's time to stop being a disingenous spic and accept your nigger blood Juan

>>17761412
that's you

>so you point out the fact that canary islanders were included but don't mention the fact that basques were also included (which are also outliers)? if we take basques into consideration then the 12% average makes sense for non-canarian and non-basque iberians
it doesn't, idiot, the study never says that, see this absolutely perfect modern study >>17761305
argument closed, it tops at around 10%, the average is at 5%

>Lazarids et al. (2014) detected 12.6±2% North African ancestry and an average of 1.5±0.2% sub-Saharan ancestry in the Spanish population.
fake quote

it's time to accept that basedberian gods have little to no nafri ancestry, largely female mediated

>>17758163
>>17758242
gypsies

>>17761330
>>17761361
>>17761381
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>17761428
>the study never says that
This is the full quote:
>"They found that between 4% and 20% of the genome of Spaniards is shared with North Africans. "The figure of 20% only occurs in the Canary Islands, for the rest of the country it ranges between 10% and 12%," explains Comas. Only the Basques in the sample do not show this North African influence.
>>Only the Basques in the sample do not show this North African influence.
so yes, they did include basques and you just exposed yourself as a retard that doesn't read shit
>fake quote
nigger tier logic
>me no like therefore that shiet be fake nigga
your negroid admixture is acting up again

>>17761446
>This is the full quote:
again bs, the study never says the second part "10% and 12%", it says 4 to 20% but 20% it's because it includes canarians
the actual average is 5% like always
>so yes, they did include basques and you just exposed yourself as a retard that doesn't read shit
i never said they didn't include them

you again demonstrated that you are intellectually inferior and that iberians won

here this good study that you pretend doesn't exist shows it even better >>17761305, or this >>17758733, ibs (a good iberian average) is at 6% nafri
both studies are new


>nigger tier logic
that's a fake quote
>your negroid admixture is acting up again
it's fake because it's fake

Italians range from 46 to 81% MENA rape babies, depending on the region. Their MENA rape genes come by far the lowest racial elements in MENA,from inbred Syrian and Palestinian apes, who to this day have never managed to build functioning states in their own countries, something even niggers can do, and live as beggars in other MENA countries.

>>17761469
based italian med cousins making americans seethe

>>17761462
>We have shown that recent North African ancestry is highest in southwestern Europe and decreases in northern latitudes, with a sharp difference between the Iberian Peninsula and France, where Basques are less influenced by North Africa (as suggested in ref. 48).

>>where Basques are less influenced by North Africa (as suggested in ref. 48).
I literally just quoted the study directly, now did they use Basque samples in the study yes or no? answer the question spic
>it's fake because it's fake
you're a nigger admixed moor rapebaby

>>17761469
Still whiter than Moorberians because that admixture is not as browning as Nafri/SSA.
>but muh distances
Look up your distances to Yoruba/Taforalt.

>>17761481
>I literally just quoted the study directly, now did they use Basque samples in the study yes or no? answer the question spic
you didn't quote the study directly, that quote about 10% and 12% is from wikipedia, this is literally a pic from the study >>17761462 the second part of the quote does not exist, i only found it on wikipedia, where you take most of your infos it seems

it says 4 and 20% only, and 20% is the result of including canarians
on average iberians are 5% nafri according to that old study
newer studies confirm that , see here >>17761305 , or this >>17758733
you lost the argument mate

>you're a nigger admixed moor rapebaby
that quote is fake just like i demonstrated the other quote was also fake
iberians cannot be moorish rapebabies with only 2 to 4% moorish haplogroups >>17761118 >>17761142

>>17761491
>>17761469
american man samefagging trying to reignite the iberia vs italy, a dead rivalry that never existed

iberians and south italians are cousins

>>17761500
>that quote about 10% and 12% is from wikipedia
I meant that I quoted the study in this post >>17761481 you 60 IQ moor rapebaby, and like I said, it proves they did use basque samples
for fucks sake this iberian nigger is retarded

The genetic consensus about Italians is that they are 46.9% Black 33.2% Brown 19.9% White, basically mulattoes.

>We were able to model modern Sicilians with a 4-way model that included 23.2 ±4.2%Anatolia_Neolithic, 19.9 ± 1.4% Yamnaya_Samara, 10.0 ± 2.6% Iran_Ganj_Dareh_Neolithic, and 46.9± 5.6% Morocco_LN (p=0.522) (Supplementary Table 14).

>>17761522
>I meant that I quoted the study in this post >>17761481
no percentage is mentioned in that post so who cares
>it proves they did use basque samples
okay? i never denied it, i said this already

>for fucks sake this iberian nigger is retarded
no, you are retarded, iberians are on average only 5% nafri, see here, see here >>17761305, or this >>17758733
iberians won

>>17761500
>keeps getting baited over and over again
>isn’t even Iberian
Just ignore the petulant child.

>>17761555
trust me the guy i'm talking to is dead serious, he posted the same things for years
but you are right, i should just let it go, basedberians already won in this thread anyway

253 replies of seething iberians and latinx larpers[!]

>>17761118
>The second most frequent haplotype (31.6%) is haplotype V (Table 1), and the study of variations in haplotype V frequencies is the main purpose of the present study. The more elevated value obtained for haplotype V in our series concerns Berbers (68.9%), and percentages of haplotype distributions depict a gradient of decreasing northern frequencies from Morocco: 40.8% in Andalusia, 36.2% in Portugal, 12.1% in Catalonia, and 11.3% in Basques.

Iberian sisters... I don't feel so good

>>17761550
>okay? i never denied it, i said this already
you never acknowledge it , but get this: if basques were included (who barely have north african admixture) and canarians were also included (who have 20+% north african admixture) it makes sense that average iberians are 12% north african just like the study states and how this other study:
>Lazarids et al. (2014) detected 12.6±2% North African ancestry and an average of 1.5±0.2% sub-Saharan ancestry in the Spanish population.
and many other studies that prove the average is around 12%, I accept your concession

>>17761611
plus remember that the iberians on 4chan SEETHE about the based basque, meaning that they're from the africanized lands

>>17761592
extremely old study so it doesn't use ISOGG nor YFULL: useless

>>17761611
>you never acknowledge it ,
i did here >>17761462
>i never said they didn't include them

>it makes sense that average iberians are 12% north african just like the study states and how this other study:
it doesn't, the average is 5% because the average isn't exactly inbetween canarians and basques
12% is never mentioned in the study

>>Lazarids et al. (2014) detected 12.6±2% North African ancestry and an average of 1.5±0.2% sub-Saharan ancestry in the Spanish population.
fake quote

>and many other studies that prove the average is around 12%
no study shows that, but many shows the average being around 5%, like these >>17761118 >>17761142 or this one even less than 5% >>17759763

you lost the argument

>>17761611
>you never acknowledge it ,
i did here >>17761462
>i never said they didn't include them

>it makes sense that average iberians are 12% north african just like the study states and how this other study:
it doesn't, the average is 5% because the average isn't exactly inbetween canarians and basques
12% is never mentioned in the study

>>Lazarids et al. (2014) detected 12.6±2% North African ancestry and an average of 1.5±0.2% sub-Saharan ancestry in the Spanish population.
fake quote

>and many other studies that prove the average is around 12%
no study shows that, but many shows the average being around 5%, like these >>17758733 >>17761305or this one even less than 5% >>17759763

you lost the argument

>>17761613
basques are utterly cucked by the moor rapebaby majority, ETA was cucked into submission by spaniards and they're less than 2% of the population, in a couple of decades they will be mongrelized out of existence by the moor rapebabies and it's funny how only in these shithole imageboards they claim to be proud of basques as a desperate attempt to prove their whiteness, spics are downright neurotic mutts

>>17761613
we don't, the basques are our brothers

>>17761645
basques are around 2 millions and a half in spain so around 5% of the population
>by the moor rapebaby majority
? spaniards are only between 2 and 4% e-m81, so not moor rapebabies

your writing style betrays your samefagging, i just wanted to tell you that

>>17761614
Iberberian cope

>>17761659
not cope, just the truth

>>17761666
Explain how ISOGG & YFULL relate to you being not being half Berber?

>>17761674
The Lucotte study used the p49/TaqI polymorphism to define haplotype V. This marker, from early Y-DNA research, lacks the resolution of modern SNP-based haplogroup typing
so it's useless

>>17761645
kek the moor rape baby is sseething

>>17761697
STOP REPLYING TO THE MENTALLY ILL RETARDED MORON

>>17761697
But we know haplotype V corresponding to E-M81 because it peaks among Berbers and is called Berberian marker by the study.

>Haplotype V at the Y-chromosome specific DNA polymorphism (p49/TaqI) was reported in a study concerning 487 males originating from five different geographic locations in Iberia and North Africa. The highest frequency of haplotype V (68.9%) was previously observed in Berbers from Morocco, and it was previously established that this haplotype is a characteristic Berberian haplotype in North Africa.

>Percentages of haplotype V geographic distribution reveal a gradient of decreasing frequencies with latitude in Iberia: 40.8% in Andalusia, 36.2% in Portugal, 12.1% in Catalonia, and 11.3% in Basques; such a cline of decreasing haplotype V frequencies from the South to the North in Iberia clearly establishes a North African toward Iberian gene flow.

There's no way around it Paco, Blacks raped you.

>>17761525
>Morocco_LN
Uh oh stinky.

Sicilians were already mentioned in the OP. They also have 1-3% SSA like Iberians.

>>17761637
>because the average isn't exactly inbetween canarians and basques
it is, figure s3 from the supplementary material shows it clearly:
https://imgur.com/a/NtQXVxL

you can see that basques have less north african admixture and canarians have more, while the other iberian populations are inbetween and have around 12% north african on average
>you lost the argument
I literally just won doe
you're a negroid mongrel

>>17761722
>>17761728
Post hand, eye, prove your ethnicity or fuck off.

i found this study about ydna frequencies in granada, malaga, almeria (GMA)

e-m81 here is only 4.6%, even in southern iberian cities where the moors held their grounds for longer than anywhere else in spain, and i assume were particularly more entrenched in cities like these
incredible, the reconquista was so successful

>>17761722
>But we know haplotype V corresponding to E-M81 because it peaks among Berbers and is called Berberian marker by the study.
it doesn't matter, it's low resolution because it doesn't use multiple snps or the ISOGG panel, it uses a single polymorphism, p49/TaqI

>There's no way around it Paco, Blacks raped you.
it's old and useless and extremely outdated, try a real ydna study like this >>17761735

>>17761735
>Bantu: E-U175
>Ethiopian: E-M123
>Somalian: E-V13 & E-V22, T.
>Arab: J1, J2

No wonder Iberians are so brown.

>>17761733
>it is, figure s3 from the supplementary material shows it clearly:
yes it shows that in the spa(average of all spaniards) it's less than 10%, around 6% nafri

>while the other iberian populations are inbetween and have around 12% north african on average
no, the average spaniards have less than 10%

>I literally just won doe
no, you lost the argument

>>17761735
>E1b1a
>E1b1b1a
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>17761757
>>Bantu: E-U175
less than 1%
>Ethiopian: E-M123
levantine and anatolia, not moorish, more common in turkey than anywhere in north africa
>Somalian: E-V13
balkan, not moorish, more common in italy, albania, greece and bulgaria than anywhere in the MENA

>>17761771
>levantine and anatolia
The Levantine and Anatolian haplogroup is J. E-M123 is negroid.

>The E-M123 clade was found in Ethiopia (11.2%), the Near East (3.7%), Europe (1.7%), and northern Africa (0.9%). In

>balkan, not moorish,
The Balkan haplogroup is I2. E-M78 is negroid.

>Haplogroup E-M78 was observed over a wide area, including eastern (21.5%) and northern (18.5%) Africa, the Near East (5.8%), and Europe (7.2%), where it represents by far the most common E3b subhaplogroup. The high frequency of this clade (table 1) and its high microsatellite diversity suggest that it originated in eastern Africa, 23.2 ky ago (95% CI 21.1–25.4 ky).


Blacks sure did a number on Iberians.

>>17761758
even this study favors spaniards, but the newer studies are even better, i think spaniards are on average probably only 3% nafri

>>17761758
>it's less than 10%, around 6% nafri
retard, the y axis in the graph represents percentages divided in sections of 10% (0.1 = 10%, 0.2 = 20% and so on), meaning that you just, QUITE LITERALLY, proved to me that the average for iberia is 12% if you include portuguese
also you're exposing how incredibly stupid you are with each post you make, I suggest you stop posting on 4chan and go to therapy so you can finally accept your nonwhite self

>>17761786
This picture also doesn't take into account the Bantu, Ethiopian and Somalian input into Iberians which is higher than the nafri one. It seems that Iberia was raped in masse by Blacks.

>>17761801
Iberians might be some of the purest Europeans on the entire continent.

>>17761781
>E-M123 is negroid.
it's not, it's middle eastern and southern european and is found all around europe, even in belarus
it's found at similar frequences in cyprus, turkey and italy
>E-M78 is negroid
e-v13 is not balkan

in any case, not moorish, also look at pic rel

why are you obsessed with black males?

>>17761801
Purest Black men in Europe.

>>17761786
>retard, the y axis in the graph represents percentages divided in sections of 10% (0.1 = 10%, 0.2 = 20% and so on), meaning that you just, QUITE LITERALLY, proved to me that the average for iberia is 12% if you include portuguese
nope, failed gatcha attempt, it's not 100%, the y axis goes up to 50%, otherwise tuscans would be 60% east med, but you see from their admixture charts that they're 25%, that can only make sense if the y axis goes up to 50%

the green line that i used is exactly 10%, and the spa, average of iberia, is less than 10%, so you are completely wrong, even this study estimates iberians as having less than 10% nafri ancestry on average

you lost the argument, i demonstrated that the average iberian in that study is less than 10% nafri

>>17761809
*e-v13 is balkan

>>17761786
>0.1 = 10%, 0.2 = 20% and so on)
but he used a rule that starts at 0.1, 0.1 to 0.2 is 10%

>>17761801
actually i approve, you should say this, the more absurd it is the more you sound like a schizo troll

If Iberians are so obsessed with reducing the nafri % might as well model with SSA only, just saying. We still don't know what kind of nafris invaded Iberia. The Almoravids were obviously more negroid-like. Their territorial expansion is consistent with SSA y-dna.

>>17761809
E-M123 barely exists in the Middle East and comes from Ethiopian slaves. E-M78 likewise from black slaves. Basically Abdullah's slaves raped Iberian women.

>e-v13 is not balkan
Yes it is negroid.

>>17761840
Fair enough.

>>17761837
>but he used a rule that starts at 0.1, 0.1 to 0.2 is 10%
only for spain (not to mention margin of error), if you do the same for portugal then get the average of the two, you get around 12%

>>17761840
>If Iberians are so obsessed with reducing the nafri % might as well model with SSA only, just saying.
that will just make iberians 1% black, fine by me

>We still don't know what kind of nafris invaded Iberia.
something like this >>17761260

>>17761846
>E-M123 barely exists in the Middle East and comes from Ethiopian slaves.
it peaks in jordan at 45% dude, check your sources better, plenty of studies have middle easterners having e-m123

e-m123 in iberians is from east meds, south iberians only have 1%, cypriots have like 10%, turks have 5%,italians have 2%

>Yes it is negroid.
e-v13 is balkan, there's no e-v13 presence in italy

do you think italians, turks, cypriots, albanians and greeks are "negroid rapebabies" too?

>>17761850
>only for spain
yes only for the spanish average because we are talking about the average of spain
>not to mention margin of error
the margin of error adds and takes away from a percentage
> if you do the same for portugal then get the average of the two, you get around 12%
you don't because spain is more populated

overal iberians are less than 10% nafri according to that study, that study is also old and uses finns as a proxy for euro ancestry, that inflates the north african
newer better studies demonstrates that the nafri ancestry is even less >>17761305 >>17759763 >>17758733
the average nafri ancestry in iberia is likely 5 or even 4%

>>17761861
NIt peaks in Ethiopia at 11% frequency, is barely exist in the Middle East. Your picture isn't a peer reviewed source.

>The E-M123 clade was found in Ethiopia (11.2%), the Near East (3.7%), Europe (1.7%), and northern Africa (0.9%).
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707643651

>e-v13 is balkan, there's no e-v13 presence in italy
E-V13 descends from E-M78 which originated and peaks in Ethiopia like E-M123.

>do you think italians, turks, cypriots, albanians and greeks are "negroid rapebabies" too?
If they carry negroid lineages, they absolutely are. Regardless of their feelings.

>>17761868
>NIt peaks in Ethiopia at 11% frequency, is barely exist in the Middle East.
incorrect, it peaks in jordan, bse are dead sea jordan and they have 31%, palestinians have 9%, greeks have 2%, more than southern iberians that have a mere 1%
https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg200565

cypriots have 10% >>17761809 turks have 5%

the frequencies in ethiopia are separated from the ones in europe and the middle east, in iberia it's likely from east meds

>E-V13 descends from E-M78 which originated and peaks in Ethiopia like E-M123.
e-v13 formed in europe, all haplogroups originate from african clades like A or B

>If they carry negroid lineages, they absolutely are. Regardless of their feelings.
so you think italians, albanians, greeks, turks, cypriots and bulgarians and serbians are all negroid rapebabies since they carry more e-v13 and e-m123 than iberians do?

>>17761883
forgot the picture
https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg200565

>>17761865
>you don't because spain is more populated
the fact that spain is more populated wouldn't lower the ~10% because it's an average, you're grasping at straws
>yes only for the spanish average because we are talking about the average of spain
>overal iberians are less than 10% nafri according to that study
so first you say you're talking about spaniards and then you say iberians as a whole are less than 10% lol disingenous spic, like I said, if you include portugal, the average is around 12% because moortuguese are even bigger mongrels
>newer better studies demonstrates that the nafri ancestry is even less
2 of those studies prove the average is 12% and another one is not even supposed to be representative of modern iberian populations

>>17761890
>the fact that spain is more populated wouldn't lower the ~10% because it's an average, you're grasping at straws
you don't understand the concept of average, spain is less than 10% nafri according to that study

>so first you say you're talking about spaniards and then you say iberians as a whole are less than 10%
because the some studies are about iberians, others about spian, in these >>17761305 >>17758733 the whole of iberia is around 5% nafri on average

>2 of those studies prove the average is 12% and another one is not even supposed to be representative of modern iberian populations
they don't, see here for example, in this study >>17758733 the average of all iberia is 6% nafri, and see here >>17761305 the maximum north african ancestry is 10%, the average is less

you are lying and coping, iberians won

>>17761883
These samples are outliers of Ethiopian origin according to your own study:

>The Dead Sea sample also showed a high presence of E3b3a-M34 lineages (31%), which is only comparable to that found in Ethiopians.

>Another singularity of the Dead Sea is its high frequency (31%) of E3b3a-M34, a derivate clade of E3b3-M123 that is only found in 7% in Bedouins (Cruciani et al. 2004). Until now, the highest frequencies for this marker (23.5%) had been found in Ethiopians from Amhara (Cruciani et al. 2004). On the contrary, most Bedouin chromosomes (63%) belong to haplogroup J1-M267 (Semino et al. 2004) compared with 9% in the Dead Sea. All these evidences point to the Dead Sea as an isolated region perhaps with past ties to sub-Saharan and eastern Africa.

>cypriots have 10% >>17761809 turks have 5%
Neither Cypriots nor Turks have this much Ethiopian ancestry.

>e-v13 formed in europe, all haplogroups originate from african clades like A or B
No E-V13 formed in Ethiopia like the rest of E-M78.

>african clades like A or B
This is a false equivalency falacy. CF separated from them 70000 years ago and originated in Eurasia, whereas E-V13 separated from E-M78 around 5000 years ago and originated in Ethiopia, and whereas E-M123 originated in Ethiopia and is almost entirely negroid to this day.

>so you think italians, albanians, greeks, turks, cypriots and bulgarians and serbians are all negroid rapebabies since they carry more e-v13 and e-m123 than iberians do?
If they carried as much of these African markers as you claim, yes.

>>17761904
>The Dead Sea sample also showed a high presence of E3b3a-M34 lineages (31%), which is only comparable to that found in Ethiopians.
>Another singularity of the Dead Sea is its high frequency (31%) of E3b3a-M34, a derivate clade of E3b3-M123 that is only found in 7% in Bedouins (Cruciani et al. 2004). Until now, the highest frequencies for this marker (23.5%) had been found in Ethiopians from Amhara (Cruciani et al. 2004). On the contrary, most Bedouin chromosomes (63%) belong to haplogroup J1-M267 (Semino et al. 2004) compared with 9% in the Dead Sea. All these evidences point to the Dead Sea as an isolated region perhaps with past ties to sub-Saharan and eastern Africa.
none of these suggest that they're ethiopians or related to them

>Neither Cypriots nor Turks have this much Ethiopian ancestry.
both cypriots and turks have more e-m123 (10% and 5% respectively) than southern iberians (1%), so according to your logic they should be negroid rapebabies too
see turks here >>17761886 at 5.5%, se cypriots here having more than 10% e-m123 >>17761809

>No E-V13 formed in Ethiopia like the rest of E-M78.
you don't understand haplogroups, e-v13 mutations happened in europe

>This is a false equivalency falacy. CF separated from them 70000 years ago and originated in Eurasia, whereas E-V13 separated from E-M78 around 5000 years ago and originated in Ethiopia, and whereas E-M123 originated in Ethiopia and is almost entirely negroid to this day.
these are just falsities, are you trolling me? e-v13 originated in europe or at most in anatolia, and the clade from which it mutated separated from m78 several 10000s years ago

>If they carried as much of these African markers as you claim, yes.
why can't you just say it, it seems like you're avoiding it, maybe because it sounds ridiculous
say it, say italians, albanians, greeks, turks, cypriots, bulgarians and serbians are negroid rapebabies, since they have more e-m123 and e-v13

>>17761904
So much time wasted spouting your drivel and Spaniards are still whiter and cluster genetically more northern and western than half of Europe. Not sure what point you’re trying to prove. The genetic distance between Spanish and other western Euros is quite low so either you are interpreting the data incorrectly or autsomal distances are incorrect.

>>17761919
Man you are coping hard about your SSA ancestry:

>comparable to that found in Ethiopians
>All these evidences point to the Dead Sea as an isolated region perhaps with past ties to sub-Saharan and eastern Africa.

>both cypriots and turks have more e-m123 (10% and 5% respectively) than southern iberians (1%), so according to your logic they should be negroid rapebabies too
Cypriots and Turks are part nigger then. No wonder they're so low iq and brown now that I think about it.

>you don't understand haplogroups, e-v13 mutations happened in europe
>these are just falsities, are you trolling me? e-v13 originated in europe or at most in anatolia, and the clade from which it mutated separated from m78 several 10000s years ago
0 evidence of this. E-M78 & E-M123 are Ethiopian according to all peer reviewed studies on the subject.

>say it
italians, albanians, greeks, turks, cypriots, bulgarians and serbians are negroid rapebabies, since they have more e-m123 and e-v13

Happy?

>>17761920
Not my fault if you are part negroid paco. Blame your coalburning women.

>>17761948
>these are just falsities, are you trolling me? e-v13 originated in europe or at most in anatolia, and the clade from which it mutated separated from m78 several 10000s years ago
the same study you're posting claims an anatolian origin for e-v13, other more modern claim an european origin. oh well, i guess thracians and la tene celts were negroid rapebabies too, since they have some e-v13

>Happy?
yes i can leave the conversation, i made you reach an extreme level of absurdity, i won

>>17761966
I accept your surrender and shall graciously take my victory home.

>>17761897
>you don't understand the concept of average, spain is less than 10% nafri according to that study
nope, you literally pointed it out for me in >>17761758
>because the some studies are about iberians, others about spian, in these >>17761305 # >>17758733 # the whole of iberia is around 5% nafri on average
you're seething so hard you can barely write
>the average of all iberia is 6% nafri, and see here >>17761305 # the maximum north african ancestry is 10%, the average is less
those two studies also prove that the average is 12%
you will always be a nonwhite moor rapebaby

>>17762425
Learn to read a PCA diagram and stfu.

>>17762437
There's not a single PCA in any of the posts I quoted dumbass, also PCAs are a shitty way to determine whether a population is mixed or not, autosomal studies are a much better way to determine this and I already posted several of those that prove iberians are 25% nonwhite mongrels

tl;dr Iberians and Sicilians have negroid admixture. That's what that extra Natufian/Taforalt shit actually is; nigger. Natufian is not white because it's mixed with Taforalt. Taforalt is not white because it's mixed with SSA.

>>17761904
E-M123 has been found among Natufians and PPNB, meanwhile Ethiopians are roughly half Middle Eastern ancestrally and speak Semitic/Afro-Asiatic languages for the most part. You have it backwards

>>17761948
"Negroid" haplogroups found in the mixed/non-Negroid parts of Africa as well as parts of Europe and the Middle East...

>>17762490
>>17762522
Iberians won. Sorry loser.

>>17762425
>nope, you literally pointed it out for me in
it's less than 10% in spain according to that study see how the green line i used is longer than the red nafri ancestry, you lost the argument
>you're seething so hard you can barely write
it was written in perfect english
in these studies >>17761305 >>17758733 the whole of iberia is around 5% nafri on average
>those two studies also prove that the average is 12%
that's because you are pretty stupid, see the IBS here, it means iberian penninsula, it's the average of iberia and the average nafri ancestry is 6% >>17758733
see here >>17761305 how it top at 10% therefore the average is lower

you lost the argument, all 3 studies show that iberian on average are less than 10% nafri

>>17762642
>we wuz republican
>actually we wuz german
Those Lombard samples are mixed too. They always use Bergamo instead of them in genetic studies.

>>17762642
>>17762522
southern europeans are rapebabies of non whites

>>17762753
You seethe.