Thread 17770412

>actually knew how to draw
>promoted to a commanding officer during the war
>shot in his shoulders, didn't just get a light shrapnel wound to his leg
>declared one of the most degenerate german artists by the nazis
how much of Hitlers ideology was just due to seething resentment and jealousy?

>>17770412 (OP)
I'm literally the best rapper in the world I created millions of dollars worth of rap music that made dozens of people millions of dollars that I didn't benefit from whatsoever and the idea that I'm "jealous" and that the people who stole from me are "better than me" is complete delusion

>quick Google Images search for "Otto Dix"
Yyyyeaaahh, I can see why Uncle banned this stuff

But yes, I can concede that he could draw, technically speaking.
Just like with certain "doujin artists", the problem is the subject

I can see why the Nazis banned his trash "art"

>>17770412 (OP)
He wasn't even glorifying Weimar, was he?
>metropolis
>retarded androgynous degenerates party while most of the country is traumatised and literally crippled
Oh and look at his self portraits, he was 100% technically skilled. I really like his war art, it's metal as fuck.

>>17770430
>>17770514
>why is the war artist showing war as grotesque and horridly mangled human bodies and not my based and trad statues of naked muscle men?!?!?!

>>17770430
>>17770514
meanwhile let's look at the height of Hitlers art

>>17770732
Portraying and critcicizing something ugly is no excuse for producing such filth. That shit isn't art.

>>17770760
>filth
A bit like what war is then?

>>17770412 (OP)
Yes. Most nazis were mediocre men, often anally retentive, who were scared by the contradictions of a modern society and rejcted it out of fear.

>>17770760
>if it's not a heckin neoclassicist painting, it's not art!
Modern chuddism is ironically one of the most degenerate ideologies around.

>>17770760
Do you have anything intelligent to say or are you just scared of art? Hell, I'd actually say that Dada deserves censorship but going after Otto Dix is ridiculous.

>>17770756
Hitler never went to art school, that is well known

>>17770765
>Most nazis
>Most
I'll bite, whom do you like among them?

>>17770834
Yeah, you can tell.

>>17770761
I'm not talking about the subject matter. The execution is filth. Countless artists throughout history across myriad cultures have managed to communicate the horrors of war, famine, and plague without deliberately making the world a worse place via the hideousness of their work.
>>17770771
>the only options are neoclassical art or garbage that is bad on purpose
>>17770772
>scared
I'm genuinely curious where this comes from. People like you do this with everything. Every single negative reaction is conflated with fear. I do not understand it. Do you think people retch at the smell of shit out of fear?

>>17770845
Hence why it's not fair to compare him to people who received formal education in the field

>>17770866
>garbage that is bad on purpose
It's not bad on purpose, it's ugly on purpose.

>>17770866
>photography is invented and improves rapidly
>artists no longer want to just depict reality but want their art to convey something deeper, more complex, use style to evoke emotions and meaning
>this is le degenerate filth da jooz!!!!!!

>>17770874
Are you aware that realistic paintings
1) can still be distinguished visually from photographs, and
2) could very well depict something that doesn't actually exist in real life, or is an historical event that couldn't possibly be photographed today?

>>17770874
You are on a fucking anime website. You can't hide behind non-realistic artstyles as an excuse for making garbage.

>>17770880
this picture is holy reddits, i prefer beanmouth steven universe

>>17770839
I don't like them but probably Riefenstahl, Heidegger and Speer had better taste than the rest.

>>17770732
>le war is le bad
>just roll over and die bro
Such a stupid thing to say

>>17770771
Its really not.
>>17770765
>>17770514
twisted and ugly, a reflection of his soul.
>>17770732
Does it even depict war? It could depict a costume party, you wouldnt know, it is ugly regardless of the topic because of the rigid lines, the scattered lines, the psychological effect it produces is repulsive, literally feel my Vril centers rising up in revolt to avert my gaze from this grotesque abomination.

>>17770922
>Its really not.
It really is though. It's a purely contrarian ideological movement obsessed with the "based or cringe" dichotomy and its main visual symbols are purposely ugly digital drawings.

>>17770892
Why do I waste my time with this zoomer den

>>17770412 (OP)
?

So deep, so beautiful.
I really hate Adolf Hitler and my father

>>17770936
>purely contrarian ideological movement
>its main visual symbols are purposely ugly
hmmmmmmm

>>17770899
Who are you quoting anon?
>>17770922
>the depictions of soldiers wounded in the war is grotesque and makes me want to look away
It worked then.

>>17770962
Hmmmmmm what? That is a correct assessment of modern chudism.

>>17770936
>purely contrarian
You only see it this way because you are inherently adversarial towards them.
Chuds do actually have vision and ideas, they are in the early formulation stage where these things are still raw and undulating and clashing, they have to emerge as cohesive in an ideology or a set of ideas but they arent without ideas.
Its symbols are much more than ugly digital drawings.
Fashwave still remains the only new and only visually pleasing yet meaningful art style to emerge post 1900.

>>17770978
no? The soldiers and the war arent grotesque its the style. his non war pictures evoke the same feeling
The depiction of all things as grotesque.

>>17770989
>mangled bodies aren't grotesque
Ok edgelord. Soooo hardcore.

>>17770978
>It worked then.
Almost everything he produced has the same effect. His depictions of war and motherhood are equally grotesque.

>>17770984
>Chuds do actually have vision and ideas, they are in the early formulation stage where these things are still raw and undulating and clashing
That's because their ideas change based on what Trump currently says (or in response to the next currentthing).
>Fashwave still remains the only new and only visually pleasing yet meaningful art style to emerge post 1900.
Fashwave is just rebranded vaporwave.

>>17770412 (OP)
Not much. He just had a pretty hit or miss taste in art.
Though I think the mediocrity of Nazi art it's not actually very remarkable, as all Regime sponsored art tends to be extremely mediocre and uninspiring unless they happen to pioneer their own style or stumble upon an independently talented true believer whom they don't censor too much. For the Nazis this was the case with Hugo Boss and Albert Speer. They were independtly talented artists who happened to be Nazis. Which resulted in the only really stand-out artistic elements in the regime: Fashion and Architecture.

>>17770998
It is a pretty lurid thing, to be fair. Regardless, art does not exist only to be beautiful (and it has already ran it's course at doing that), and it definitely should not be regulated by some midget at the ministry of culture.

>>17770998
Gee i wonder if this has anything to do with the starvation that germans endured during the based epic chad aryan war

>>17770998
>why is a depiction of a mother sacrificing herself to feed her child not pretty? Can't they just yassify her a bit and make her smile and with bigger tits?!?!?

>>17770984
I wouldn't put much stock into them being particularly impactful, considering they mostly subsist off grave robbery and Jap Capeshit.
>Its symbols are much more than ugly digital drawings.
Mostly just shit plundered from tombs of better men though.
>Fashwave still remains the only new and only visually pleasing yet meaningful art style to emerge post 1900.
Cribbed vaporwave aesthetics but with epic Hitler slapped on top. It even has the -wave suffix.

>>17770761
To be fair allowing such art movements is tantamount to national suicide. Can you imagine how crippling it would have been on any country right after the Seven Years War.

>>17770984
>Only novel cultural movement
Actually that would be basedjaks and sharty memes.

>>17771023
I like socialist realism.

>>17771095
I think it's pretty middling, generally. L'art pompier applied to praising the soviet union.

>>17771077
Nazis know a lot about suicide

>>17771034
>It is a pretty lurid thing
No it fucking isn't.
>it has already ran it's course at doing that
You creatures are caricatures.
>>17771036
>>17771046
So you're saying that he was technically unskilled. Because neither of those people are depicted as starving. And he would have almost certainly known what a starving person actually looks like so it wasn't a matter of ignorance.
The reality is, of course, that she isn't supposed to be starving. He just insisted on portraying people as hideously as possibly regardless of context.

>>17771107
>the gaunt, sallow skinned, hollow cheeked woman isn't depicted as starving

>>17771107
The government should ban wojaks and imprison wojakposters btw.

>>17771107
>No it fucking isn't.
Raising a child in abject misery during a turbulent time in german history is rather lurid.
>You creatures are caricatures.
Your conception of good art is the endless reproduction of provincial garbage with ideologically correct themes in a style long perfected like you are some sort of mandarin. You worship mediocrity. You should become a social democrat, it would suit you better.

>>17771131
Even this is giving you too much credit. You have no value or regard for Art. Art is a tool for you. Beholden to the ministry of culture so it promotes the correct values among the plebs. An instrument of governance. As trascendental as garbage collection.

>>17771112
If the woman with fairly thick hair and arms more robust than the average teenage boy's is supposed to be starving then he was a shit artist. And yeah, I suppose that is true. But he was actually just making her deformed like he did with everyone else.
>>17771131
>>17771137
>You worship mediocrity.
>You have no value or regard for Art.
>Art is a tool for you.
Holy fucking projection. You're sitting here sucking off a guy who went out of his way to make his paintings worse out of pathological contrarianism.

>>17771159
You reckon hollow cheeks and fucking YELLOW skin are a sign of good health? In what is clearly a dilapidated house to boot?

>>17771159
>having an imagination and a vision is le making your art worse out of pathological contrarianism

>>17771034
Art exists for the same reason man exists, art is an expression of the soul, nothing else.
There is nothing more that can be read into it.
If it is manipulative, it is from a manipulative artist, if it beautiful, it is from a soul that knows and expresses beauty.
Art is inextricably tied to the artist and only in very few cases does it come loose from the artist though never fully free.

Art SHOULD be regulated just like ALL expressions of Men are regulated.
Imagine if we said physical ability shouldnt be regulated and then repealed all laws against rape and murder.
Retarded nonsense.
but the shitlib mind can not fathom order or beauty for that matter.
spiteful mutant theory is correct.

>>17771019
>Trump
chuds hate Trump lmao.
What year do you think it is? honestly.
Chuds havent been pro-Trump since 2021 the last of the TrumpChuds left Trump with the Groypenwaffen mobilizing against MIGAboomers in mid 2024.
>Vaporwave
sort of but not really.
Vaporwave had vibe but no message while Fashwave had message and vibe.
Fashwave was a new form of art, political art which went beyond party and policy into something more spiritual and renaissance.
In the history of Leftism they have never actually produced Art, the Right hasnt produced any either until Fashwave.
You could argue memes are a form of vulgar art in a way.

>>17770996
I just said his non-war art is still grotesque you dishonest tranny.

>>17771226
His non-war art that features a woman starving herself so her children can live in a degenerate Weimar hellscape.

>trannies out of nowhere
Seek urgent psychological help.

>>17771216
>chuds hate Trump lmao.
Groypers are a tiny minority.
>Vaporwave had vibe but no message while Fashwave had message and vibe.
Vaporwave is nostalgia for something you never experienced. Fashwave is nostalgia for something you never experienced + Hitler.

>>17771203
Are you just going to pretend I haven't been posting his other paintings that always make the subjects appear diseased?

>>17771203
>>17771246
Same woman.

>>17771246
This is cool as fuck actually, with the way the weird perspective and proportions clash with the realistic textures and shading.

>>17771207
>art not made by thomas kinkade is LITERALLY like hung black men raping my asshole

>>17771207
If you regulate art, then you are essentially eradicating it. Only some souls may make things; almost always small, inoffensive souls. Plump shopkeepers who love Our Dear Leader very much and craftsmen of heldenkitsch glorifying our good values.
>In the history of Leftism they have never actually produced Art, the Right hasnt produced any either until Fashwave.
Retard.

>>17771229
>his non-war art>>17771159
This doesnt look like a woman feeding her kid.
You can showcase desparation without making it look grotesque.
You are simply wrong because you are an amateur at understanding art and you are coping because you MUST defend anything the nazis opposed because of your ideological leanings.
>tranny
Yes, you have views and behaviors that align with what we see with trannies, are you denying trannies are opposed to National Socialist ideas about art?
>>17771231
Chuds are a minority and Groypers are a substantial number of Chuds, furthermore Groyper views and Chud views are all going in the same direction.
Its absurd to say that Chuds havent abandoned Trump given everything thats happened.
>nostalgia + Hitler
There is too much to go into but no, that is not correct and you think the way you do because you have a very uncomprehensive external view of Fashwave.
There isnt really a name for those Aryan Art compilations but they are more than Hitler, sometimes they dont even feature Hitler.
You dont know this because youre an ignorant uncultured shitlib who thinks middle American rednecks love Hitler because of racism o algo.

The elements found in these "Renegade" artistic movements are entirely novel. The inclusion of Hitler is always forward looking, not nostalgic.

You think chuds dream of Hitler in the past, they dont, you think this because you associate your moronic parents (IQ is heritable, means youre retarded too) lamenting that the 90s ended with "Right Wing" because both of them are racist and opposed to mutilation.

If you were actually in these circles you would see the overt futurism and cross-time impositions in their artistic expression.
It is why those vaguely Slavic pictures of tribesmen dancing around spaceships is so common.

>>17771310
>cobsonposting
basado, redpilliado, gemmy, keyed, 'd again award.
>>17771314
No, regulating human expression does not eradicate human expression, that is a very silly idea that only very silly unserious people hold.

>le caricature of le bleak nationalism
you are a child.

Its true, Leftists have never actually produced art, they have always placed message first, which destroys art.
If the message is deliberate and precedes the expression, then the soul is empty.
Are we surprised? Everyone has always known the Leftist personality is devoid of actual soul, it is why the NPC meme was a mortal blow to them.
It was exactly right.

Do people who recycle wojak for 10+ years really have room to criticize art?

>>17771359
more so than people who recycle 19th century economic mysticism do yes

>>17771379
I agree, we should let liberal capitalism go.

>>17771359
Has anyone in this entire thread said that wojaks are good? They're shit too.

>>17770514
>>17770765
>>17770946
pretty comfy tbqh
I feel like he would be a very good cartoonist.

>>17771449
Kek I love it. Yeah no shit a woman getting raped by a swan will look fucking horrific.